How Max REINVENTED Schumacher's Driving Style
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Max Verstappen has a REALLY distinctive driving style, and it reminds me A LOT of how Michael Schumacher drove. So much so, that I’ve been comparing their onboards, and it’s been SUPER interesting.
Max Verstappen drives with a Schumacher style, but one that’s been adapted for the cars of now. Let me explain.
Schumacher drove with a distinctive style, he liked a lot of oversteer in his cars. Meaning he liked the balance of grip in the car to favour the front axle.
So he would like the aero balance, the weight distribution and rake of the car to all favour the front - giving him incredible front-end grip through the corners.
This meant he could rotate the car VERY quickly, pivoting it in the middle of the corner.
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I do this when I’m shopping, I load the front of the trolly with all the heavy stuff, leaving a loose rear. Going into isles, I brake late and use the loose rear to rotate quickly into the isle. Not going to lie, misjudged this technique in the early days a few times, ended up inside the meat freezers. With a vegan wife you can imagine the despair this caused.
Generational talent
Same. Ever since I started using this technique in my grocery trips I've managed to shave minutes off my shopping time. Don't forget to use the two hand technique when grabbing multiples of the same item to save on stoppage time.
I find through the houseware and the cosmetics section, I keep going going, and I suddenly realise I’m no longer driving it conscious, and I was in a different department, the isles become tunnels and I keep going going, we’ll past my conscious understanding.
@@michaelc5437 Shopping is in my blood
LMAOOOOOOOO
A couple of years ago, in a F1 Racing magazine they did an analysis of Schumi's driving style using Suzuka telemetry data, and it's pretty much what this video says, Michael would enter the corner with a huge velocity, use front grip to brake late and control rear slide midcorner with the throttle. Very smooth (at least with the steering wheel) and very fast. Also Michael was among the very first to embrace electronic drivers aids and adapted his driving style to maximize its effect, nowadays driving aids have been banned so it's difficult to compare both drivers but they share some traits.
So true. I remember that edition!!!
Michael was super adaptable with driver aids, without , driving the early nineties cars or the narrow track grooved tyres. I am sure in his prime he would be driving these cars very similar to Max. I have commented several times to my son how similar Max is to Michael wet or dry.
@@dmc7324the narrow track F1 cars with grooved tyres were late 90's.
@@masterfok636he said "or"
@@GoalerPro750Probably misread that as "on".
Generational Talent. Undeniable.
Greatest drivers of our time
Nah it's lewis
@@sarthak077 lewis is great no doubt but for pure raw talent alone max is better.
@@sarthak077lewis era is for the boomer's generation.
I’m not a fan but you aren’t wrong!
Max reminds me of Michael in more ways than just driving styles. Maybe Jos learned from his good friend Michael and imparted that knowledge to young Max ? Sadly Michael didn’t get the chance to guide young Mick through his F1 career 😢
I always say that watching Max makes me feel the same way that watching Schumi as a little kid did. It is, as you said, more than just the driving style. It's a feeling, an aura maybe. I got into F1 back then because of Schumi, stopped watching after 2012 when he retired for good, and got into it again because of Max.
@@anteplibela Same with me!
Same with me. I never expected, certainly not after the accident, that I would ever be a fan of any F1 driver. Then came Max
I think he knows him personally, seeming the relationship his dad has with Michael. Like an uncle.
@@Aluminator82 there is actually an interview where max calls him uncle michael
I always said that when Schumi held baby Max his talent went to Max
Max Space Jam’d Michael. 😅
Damn, I wonder what Mick thinks of that
They had some shaddy rituals when they went on holidays together.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 I wonder what Michael thinks of Mick.
@@cjerp Michael doesn't think anything at all
Max, Micheal and senna both make the car dance. Top 3 talents of all time
Lewis easily better than all 3, off and on the track.
According to a former Mercedes engineer, Lewis needs a very fast car in order to gain confidence with a car,
which is evident on his sprintster/dragster driving-style relying primarily on Mercedes engine dominanace to outrun rivals on the straight and high downforce to catapult it into fast corners while producing a lot of dirty air to disrupt any challenger.
The engineers furthered that Lewis isn't like Schumacher (or even Nico Rosberg) who have good technical background and can provide effective technical feed back to his engineers.
Likewise Max, who have a very positive attitude towards simulators provided a lot of data to his design engineers and we can clearly see right now how their cars is so well suited to his driving style.
Meanwhile Lewis couldn't even be bothered to do sim runs for his team, and that's the reason why they currently have a car that he couldn't drive with confidence and his team couldn't figure out their way forward on their design issues,
because they are in a conflict on whether to design a car for optimum performance (like a Red Bull car with nose-pointy setup) vs a car that Lewis could confidently to drive.
@@Sam-fs8sxSure, Hamilton is one of the better drivers in F1 history, especially if we look at achievements.
But if we purely look at driving ability with any given car, he isn’t on Verstappen or Schumacher’s level.
That might be hard to comprehend for some, but in the end F1 is not a sport like tennis or football where it is easier to compare the sportsperson by statistics. I would even argue they are completely irrelevant when comparing driver abilities.
@@gelmir7322 Wrote all that non sense just to discredit Lewis smh. Max's feedback in the simulator is not why redbull have the faststest car. rn Adrien Newy is the reason why.
@@thedutchexposer Lewis is clearly better than Max. He didn't crash every other week when he was a rookie. Lewis had better teammates/competition than both Michael and Max.
It's so easy to look world class when you have a bum teammate who gets outqualified in Q3.
When they both had fast cars in 2021, it was Lewis who drove clean and out raced Max, while Max tried to send a full divebomb. Brazil 2021 was such an embrassing display of how Max acts when he is about to be overtaken.
We would love an analisys on Albon and how he is managing to get the results he is getting in a William's!
Alex said he also prefers a very pointy car. But when he ran Max's setup, he said it felt like he was driving a bus the entire time. Alex's isn't as pointy but still leans to that style, Max is just on the extreme end of it
Low drag and high top speed.
@@EvLSpectre interesting. I'd like to see Albon back in a Red Bull, after he had a proper gestation into F1.
His team mate is rubbish.
It's not that special, he has rookie teammate that is pretty bad and Williams have better car than most people realize.
These episodes of driver61, where Scott takes us into his genius analysis of driving styles, are some of my favorite.
Would love to see him making a list of the best drivers he has seen driving a F1 car!
But I guess that would cause a lot of controversy in the comments section, you can never make all fanbases happy lol.
@@thedutchexposerseen is skewed as well. Nobody has seen Fangio (live at least) and that is arguably the best driver. So you'd need a cutoff point (e.g., past 30 or 40 years) or include everyone.
Iv thought this for years. I was blessed to watch all the Schumi years, and by far Max reminds me most of him. Driving ability and style, and of course that teflon exterior too 😅
Would love to see a comparison of the driving styles of Carlos Sainz and Charles Leclerc. Almost opposite styles with very similar results in the same car, could be fascinating
I think Leclerc is essentially the same as Verstappen.
would be very similar to what we see between Max and Checo as well! When the Ferrari had a pointy front end last year, Charles was by far the quicker driver, similar to what we see between Max and Checo now, but this year, with the car leaning more towards the understeery side, Charles isn't able to drag extra pace out of the car and they have similar laptimes, like we saw with Max and Checo at the beginning of the year.
@@avada0not the same but similar. There's a difference between these two words.
@@shubhadeepsarkar2584 When talking about the broad term "driving style", not much if anything.
@@squidca2455 I completely understand your opinion and how that may seem to be true but I must say I fully disagree.
First to address that 'pointy front end' notion. I think what you are referring to is the balance of the car. While it is true that the F1-75 tended to run an oversteering balance, that was not the reason Sainz struggled initially. Carlos struggled because he had trouble adapting to the massively changed regulations in 2022, especially concerning the much simplified suspension geometry. Charles adapted much faster to start but at the end of the season, if you check both Ferrari drivers are neck and neck, both in quali and race pace, closer than any other driver pairing, while the balance remained the same. This is also proved by the SF-23, which is even more oversteering in balance than the F1-75 and the drivers are still neck and neck. This extremely oversteering balance is actually the main reason the car struggles so much with tire def and high speed corners. Both Ferrari drivers have mentioned the same many many times
Same for Max, while again the RB19 this year has an oversteering balance. What max changed was not the car but mostly the differential settings of the car early in the year. He actually mentions this in a Dutch interview as well, the diff obviously doesn't affect the balance of the car but using the tweaked diff settings he's better able to manage the weight transfer at corner entries and exits, hence why he has had such an advantage over Checo, since he's able to now drive to his skill level.
The Haas is unstable at the rear which Hulk uses to his advantage over a flying lap. Similar to Max, Nico can rotate the car early and carry more speed out whereas K-Mag can’t deal with the instability.
Makes sense knowing Schumacher was quite involved in Max' life from a very early age.
how?
how come mick didn't have that style? Michael spent more time w max then his own son?
@@Nebula_UltraJos Verstappen was Michael friend
jos have a similar style to max and Michael?
@@ForzaPolska06that could be im not trying to stir the pot
2001 suzuka pole is one of the best quali performances of all time. Its just breathtaking to watch. Such speed for over 20 years ago..
From James Allen's book "The Edge Of Greatness":
Being on the limit is also about feeling the grip level which the track is offering and tailoring your braking and cornering so that you are on the limit at all times but never over it. You must have an intuitive feel for the level of grip and because the track is a living thing, with natural oils coming out of it at varying temperatures, the grip level can change quite dramatically in a matter of minutes. The driver must have enormous sensitivity to changes in track conditions. Speed is not just about doing one fast lap, it is about being able to sustain laps at close to maximum intensity throughout a race. As Schumacher reflects: "The most important thing for me is that feeling of being on the limit, of pushing myself and always pushing the boundaries. For example, during qualifying at Suzuka in 2001 I did a lap which was eight tenths faster than the computer said was possible with our car. That was a feeling of surpassing yourself, which is totally regenerative. It was such a powerful affirmation for me."
Now let's compare Schumacher's and Barrichello's qualifying times from Suzuka 2001:
M. Schumacher 1.32.484
R. Barrichello 1.33.323 +0.839
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Japanese_Grand_Prix
Onboard Q lap: ua-cam.com/video/34luSz5i28s/v-deo.html
F1 Suzuka Grand Prix Qualifying 2001 - Michael Schumacher shatters the morale! ua-cam.com/video/n_6S7mTXZH8/v-deo.html
@@demdjen77amazing insight... thanks for sharing
@@Gambit8319 You are welcome.
There was an interesting video recently on the Red Bull Motorsports channel, where Verstappen learns to drift. It's amazing to see how quickly he picks it up. About as far removed as you can get from driving an F1 car, yet he has a feel for it.
yeah really ammazing someone who spent all his life in racing cars that he can drive racing cars, just wow
@@kangarht You don't use racing cars to drift, genius.
@@kangarht careful your jealousy is showing…
his racing style is basically micro drifts and doing corrections with the steering
@@kangarht still time to delete this
Max is Michael‘s heir and the best driver since the 🐐 left the sport. It‘s absolutely amazing to see a driver of the same calibre as Schumacher and Senna again.
I’d add Fangio to that list.
I think you're selling Hamilton short. He's a pure racer.
@@MunkeyBeans1082clearly he struggles with cars that are 2nd fastest and developing cars
I cringe with Checo and Lewis fanboys claiming "the car is designed for Max", to explain his dominance. Hundreds of Engineers develop the faster car they can, and it's the Driver task to develop it further with their feedback, and maximize their speed with their chosen setup.
I agree. The argument "the car is designed for driver X so that's why driver Y is slower" is BS and way too common
There is a subtlety that you haven't mentioned though. The engineers design the car driver combo to be as fast as possible, there is no point having a fast car that neither driver can utilise. If the fastest combo happens to be that which Verstappen really likes but other drivers hate, then that is still a likely developement path as Verstappen is the faster driver. I don't believe that drivers like Albon and Gasly in particular, were driving at the same level in that car; after Gasly was demoted mid season to the junior team he got better outright results.
None of that is to say that Max isn't phenomonal, I believe he is the best driver on the grid.
did u even watch the video? its basically what its saying. its designed to their natural ability. not many can do what michael or max do.
@@TheFarrukhzain Because that's the fastest you can make the car. Did _you_ even watch the video?
I can tell you a secret about this - a car with a strong front is always faster in theory. I won't explain why here, because Scott explains it in a simplified but understandable way anyway. Anyway - Ferrari was at the forefront of computer simulation 25 years ago. Instead of using 7-post rigs for set-up preparation like others, Ferrari relied purely on computer simulation. Even then, it turned out that there were set-ups that were 1 second or more faster than anything that had ever been used. The problem was that no driver in the world could control the car. In the end, cars with a strong front set are always the fastest. Ferrari developed exactly such set-ups at that time, because like Verstappen, Schumacher liked exactly that. They kept developing more and more downforce at the front until even Schumacher couldn't handle it. The point of the whole story- cars with a strong front axle are the fastest. So when a team says "we are developing the fastest possible car", it means that they have developed and are developing a car with a strong front end. But only a few and very talented drivers can handle that. So it's both right - that Red is only developing the fastest possible car and that the car is built for Verstappen. Because he can drive such a car and it suits him? But then is the car really built for him? In a way it is, but in a way it isn't. Because it is, in fact, simply the fastest car. On the other hand, it really suits him because he can handle it. Now you can look at it either way. The fact is that every team tries to develop the fastest car. But many drivers can't handle such a car with such a strong front and the drivers can't use it. Then the team develops differently. Whereas a team that has a driver like Verstappen or Schumacher of course goes in that direction, because it's faster and the driver can use it.
I'm an old Canadian driver, mostly stock car. I always saw a little bit of Jacques Villeneuve in Max as a rookie, but I must admit that recently Max has been studying the schumi book.
Great video 👍
Actually NO. Max wrote his own book :) He has always driven like this in his own style.Dealing wioth the cars he has had that are totally different from the cars Schumcher had. There would be no point at all for Verstappen to copy Schumacher. The cars are different now in literally every way shape and form. The Schumacher era of cars asked for a completely different driving style of generational talents like Schumacher and Verstappen. Verstappen made his own mark. And, like Schumacher's style, ita cant be copied. They are just too good and unique at what they do.
This is what Peter Windsor calls 'short corner driving'. You should do an episode with him.
This! Or just an episode on short corners.
yep, making the straights as long as possible. did an awesome video on it
It's complete bull
I genuinely think this is why Max has mostly been a teammate killer, Red Bull builds oversteery cars because it's inherently faster and there're far fewer driver's who are able to make that work to Max's level.
I've seen this sort of thing said a lot, but never a convincing explanation as to why. Why is an oversteer car faster? Surely a balanced car is optimal.
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee Oversteer is more of a skill limiting factor than understeer is.
If you are capable of not letting the oversteer actually happen like Verstappen and Schumacher are.
Understeer only stops if you slow down enough, while oversteer is something you can play with.
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee Helps you slide more and throw the car into the corner. The rear just dances.
@@Minifliek I'd agree and oversteery balance is harder to control than an understeer balance, but why would that make it faster?
Like you say, the aim is to prevent the oversteer actually happening, and the reverse is true for an understeer balance. Surely it follows that a car less prone to either would be optimal?
Correcting oversteer and correct understeer, both involve backing off the limit of grip on the reverse side of the car in order to allow the shipping tyres to regain grip. Just because the method of doing so is different it doesn't make one of them faster.
@@patrickbateman529 Poetic but not scientific.
Schumacher has more of a motorcycle line, brake a bit later and deeper, make the apex earlier yet and you have a motoGP line. Saves on tires and higher speeds at the end of the straights and carry it longer helps melt precious tenths away. Great video.
good catch!
Michael had pure skill at it's finest!!!
As usual, another excellent video from Driver61.
I spotted Schum at the beginning, when he was 6th or 7th in qualifying for his first race as a jumper. After Niki Lauda, he was my second hero and I always admired him. Millions of people have already raved about how good he was or how much they didn't like him, I was simply impressed by his speed, the way he drove while respecting the boundaries but always attacking.
man i'd love to see michael again, its such a shame what happened to him, if he was alright i'd see him still involved in the sport in some shape or form.
Part of me hopes that Schumacher will one day return to a race but that’s doubtful. Imagine the scenes of a hypothetical where Ver becomes a seven time champion and Schumacher is there. That would be the coldest scene in the history of the sport
Id love to see him surprise everyone with the podium presentation someday
@@ultrascreens5206it would be amazing but unfortunately, there is no hope for him. In my honest opinion after what Roger Benoit recently stated...I'd think it would be the most humane thing to let him go.
@@Giratina575 honestly breaks my heart, childhood hero
@@ultrascreens5206 i know. I only got into f1 recently due to hamilton since I was only a baby during schumachers reign in the early 2000s. Just a tragic situation all around
Where I'm from, this technique is called undercutting the corner. They taught this to me when I participated in a track preparation event for motorcycles.
Their reasoning was simple: If you undercut, you have more time with a straight bike into the corner, then a shorter time during which the bike is leaning ( although it is leaning more heavily at that point ) and a longer acceleration out of the corner. You're straight for longer and you lean for less time, although with more angle. Your line isn't a circle, it's a 'V'.
And as the bike is fastest when it's straight and slowest when it leans, minimizing the lean time sounded like a perfectly good practice for motorcycles, which go through corners much slower than cars, but accelerate faster.
It's cool to see that this technique also works out for cars, but requires a more turn-oriented front end. This is the same as with motorcycles, as written above you have to get a higher maximum lean angle when undercutting. But you will lean for a shorter amount of time. To achieve a 'higher lean angle' on cars, we need more turn-in with a stable front-end, so this makes perfect sense. Also, we cannot have it understeer at all or our line would be all over the place and every inside-of-a-corner would be missed.
For clarification, in this technique you hit the inside of the corner much, much later than on the racing line and only when your turning is almost finished. If you think of the 'V' as your line, you'd hit the inside of the corner ( not the mathematical apex, mind you! ) to the right of the lowest point of the 'V', when you're almost straight going out again.
What it comes down to is turning a longer, wider corner into a shorter, tighter corner to maximize the time spent in a straight line. This allows overtaking on the straights while having a lower corner speed - but they cannot drive through you in the corners, even if they were that bit faster there.
But today, as racecraft is high amongst all F1 guys ( even Stroll ), they all know about the switcheroo - which means, if you employ this driving stlye they'd let you pass on your way into the corner, making sure that you pass towards the inside - then do an even more pronounced undercut to be on the throttle even earlier than you and take the place back. People didn't do that in Schumacher's time and today Max has just too good of a car to see how his driving style really compares. I seem to remember Ricciardo being on par with him when their car wasn't as good, and he goes about it completely differently.
At the end of the day, your vehicle dictates your driving style as there is one primo way to make your vehicle go the fastest. You do not use one driving style for all vehicles - you use what is fastest for that particular vehicle. And the truth is, some guys do that better ( we call it adapting ) and some guys don't. This Red Bull is fastest when Max handles it the way he does. If he drove another car, he'd employ another style - maybe for the better, maybe for the worse.
Max is as complete a driver as Michael was. He has the pace , ability to adapt and an amazing winning attitude The only thing missing is he is not from uk. That's the reason for the bad rep he gets.
No it isn't 😂
Then explain why Englanders fawn over Lewis, the Grenadian … Oh - never mind …
@@Clyde-2055 racist comment
I was following F1 in the 90s and there are indeed many similarities to how the UK media treated Schumacher then and how they treat Max now. They even did it with Raikkonen for a while, constantly saying he was not motivated.
Yep the biggest thing they both lack and as otherwise would have surely be hailed as the second coming to the British.
People have no idea that Max has the MOST KARTING NR 1 titles of the entire grid, have way BETTER RESULTS than any other driver including Lewis Hamilton or Alonso and even Schumacher! Time will reveal what phenomena he truly is.
he lost to Albon in karting lol, you making it out to be like he was some omega driver that was destroying everyone when it was not like that , he won a lot of things but it was not by a crazy margin, also lost to freaking ocon in F3 , he was clearly an amazing driver but is not that he was as good as he is now compared to the competition when he was young
@@chelo136 you don't have to win every single race to be a good driver?? just because he lost to people doesn't mean he isn't a good driver?
@@chelo136 clueless fanboy alert ...
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First time when i see how Max driving, instantly reminded me of Schumacher.
Using the back brake on throttle for stability when turning is soooo useful when riding a motorcycle. Schumi had this down in an f1 car.
Yea that's trail braking
The GOAT
i was surprised you didn’t mention the differences between pre- and post-KERS technology and its introduction, i imagine that’s at least part of why michael was on the throttle during a corner whereas max doesn’t need to, he can use a different SOC mode to regenerate power in a way that compensates for rear instability in the same way as michael’s gas pedal
It would be cool to see videos comparing different drivers and their styles. Its been long said that Kimi was been one of the most raw talent drivers with speed out of corners without burning away his tires. Would be really cool to see more of these comparisons.
2 of the very greatest drivers in F1
It would have been interesting to see Schumacher and Max in the same cars.
If anyone has F1TV, check out Max’s onboard for the Japanese Grand Prix. It was insane to watch the gentleness he was driving (like 60%) and was still increasing the lead!
Always said Max reminds me of The Michael when he performs. I enjoy watching Max drive. Michael is my Childhood hero and it was his driving style that made me enjoy watching him race win or lose I just enjoyed watching Schumacher dance an F1 car around circuits. I truly wished Michael could have guided Mick a long the way. 😔🙏
Nice Mika reference (The Michael)
Thank you so much for that great, deep and complex analysis!
the style boils down to going in fast getting the car to turn by inertia and doing micro drifts on the corner keeping the balance on the slide with throttle control
Check Schumacher in Q for Argentina 1996, just sensational with huge slides coming off every other corner and still as fast as the Williams.
I've often wondered if some think it's unfair that very few drivers can freely exploit their car control advantage in any category of racing (except perhaps FWD catergories), making everyone else second best. On the sims for example, Gran Turismo have limited all possibility to properly rotate the cars with good brake modulation in the interests of making it easy and equal for all because before it was always the top guys like from TRL who would be able to exploit a car's rotation and balance better than the others.
I wonder if you, one day, could do a comparison between verstappen in the toro rosso vs the high rake rb/current gen ground effect, as the toro rosso more often than not ended up understeery, can’t remember if that was by design (aero) or by choice of setup (to save tyres)
That was a smooth ad sir. Sneakily done. Very good. Incredible video
I can do this too but people tell me its missing my braking point, thanks for helping me compare myself to the champ!
I also think they both have a natural instinct for rotating a car through the corner without spinning. It’s a scary feeling to lose the back end when a car is oversteery but you can sense how if someone were accurate enough they could take advantage of the slip and rotation for optimum speed
Remember seeing this in Melbourne in like 2002 or 2003 - Schumacher's lines were noticeable different and faster out of the corners.
Max is greatest driver of this generation
I could watch hours of these types fo videos there some of the best you make
I think it’s much more simple, it’s simply a question of being inch perfect every second in the car and being able to race continuously at almost qualify speed. If in general people drive at 95% to not crash and 100% in qualify, Max safe race speed is 98% while others fallback to 95%.
In my mind these two are the greatest drivers in history. I was of this opinion already years ago but Max right now is starting to justify my claims.
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Superb analysis. Thanks mate.
Id like to see you discussing Peter Windsor's "short corner" theory.
He just did. Though his opinion on when max breaks seems to differ -i would like to see him go into the data of Max's breaking
Schumacher will always be the 🐐 for two reasons: he was devastating fast despite NOT always having the fastest car and he essentially curated the team culture of F1 that revolutionized F1 till today.
Indeed.
We can only see the true talent of a driver when they are in a not-ideal car. A driver in the top car can have as many years of winning, but it can't beat another who still wins in a lesser car.
Many were still fast despite not having the fastest car. Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Alonso etc
@@groundedgamingI mean Schumacher did have the best cars 1999-2006
@@groundedgamingwell there is 2021 and that was a fast car but not the quickest on track that season. Where max had to struggle for every win Hamilton cruised to every win with quitte a big margin.
@@alexlacl8730 schumacher had the best car in 2002 and 2004.all the other seasons was on weaker or on par car. senna never won without the best car.same goes for hamilton and alonso.schumacer won 1994 and 1995 while wiliams was the domiant car.2000 2001 when mclaren had the best car.2003 was a title that nobody was expected and when he had clearly the best car like in 2002 and 2004 it was just boring.
Does @Driver61 have a channel where he analyzes driver styles? Would love more of these videos.
3:03
I always do that in the SIM.
I even did it with the controller back in the day's.
1:07 Finally someone explaining Windsor's short corner theory.
Short corner just means less time spent cornering.
Max's line is an old line driven on small ovals in nascar. DW was the king of that line. It preserved tires and especially brakes with the majority of turning in the middle of the turn. It allows you to take more speed into the turn and accelerate sooner coming out of the turn. It is almost a double apex.
Is it any slower though? Or does it LOOK slower?
'cuz Verstappen looked like he was being a snail at the end of the Monza GP this year but checking his tires when he parked his car, it looked like there was no degradations whatsoever. That could be him balancing tire degradation while maximizing the speed carried through a corner or just using that line.
@@H-Shop Team told him to match the speed of one of the backliners (I believe Sargeant) a couple of laps before the end and that this was important. Guesses are they saw something on telemetry but nothing on this matter was disclosed.
Very insightful, thanks!
Is that interview with Michael available somewhere on UA-cam?
It's called short corners too.. all about making corners short and straights even longer.. these drivers straight starts mid corner.. currently on the grid lewis does this, lerclec as well and max does it brilliantly just that ferrari and Mercedes cars are not glued enough to handle such styles but it's definitely fast
Hi checo, enjoy the video XD
Playing the brake bias also comes in to the equation, as well as a driver's innate abilities + practiced skills to place the car in the right position and attitude to make corners consistently.
(I remember this one old sim called "Viper". Man you HAD to have that thing squared up and set before even LOOKing at the brakes! Real easy to turn the car into something that looked more like a pineapple or porcupine than a Dodge V-10 monster.)
This style of driving is very effective, but often the path to perfecting it is littered with a fair amount of wreckage. A complaint that followed the early careers of many from that school.
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Scott, you are a master at explaining F1 related subjects (driving & Engineering) way more understandable than when you had Scarbs on.
And yet Scott Mansell does not realize that SCH keeping the throttle on during braking decreases his braking force and ensures he carries a higher minimum speed through the corner as shown on the orange line below. It was the same with the Senna & Palmer analysis. No mention of double apexes, etc. I genuinely think Scott doesn't know as much as he pretends to.
I'm thinking that the first years are very important to create your driving style. As you said, Hamilton tries to maximize downforce which makes a lot of sense when you see the 2007/2008 cars that had high downforce and very low torque, thus they also struggles less for traction. Max entered F1 in the early hybrid era that had low downforce, small rear tyres and high torque, where a V driving style makes more sense to maximize traction.
"Anyone else who hopped in their cars might really struggle with the instability at the rear" This might be the reason that both Gasly and Albon struggled as much when they were at Red Bull alongside Max. With them not being able to drive Max's setup they were left alone in figuring out how to get the most out of their car which both were not able to do. When Checo joined RB they had a second driver with a great feel for traction and enough experience in getting a setup that fits his driving style. But it is one thing to be close to a generational talent like Max Verstappen and another thing entirely to directly compete against him and that pressure is too much for Sergio.
And in those Albon/Gasly years the car was a handfull to drive. Even verstappen wasn't happy with it. (But fast anyway)
So they are using a motorcycle type of racing line. A advantage of motorcycle split brakes is that you can overlap only the rear brakes to take away any slack in the drive train and increase speed in the most critical situation in the corner
I like your videos, you actually know stuff about driving, compared to a lot of motorsport influencers.
Because he actually is a race car driver
the problem michael had 2010-2012 was the front tyres. they were much smaller than 2009, plus much more degredation he need time to adapt. 2012 quali and races were 10-10 against rosberg even he had 7 dnf's so 2012 showed the real pace of michael again.
Agreed. And great data on 2012. He did this at age 42 WELLLL past his prime.
very interesting theory with tyres, but it's not the whole story. the mercedes was built around jenson (understeer driver) and when Schumacher joined in 2010 he basically had to redesign the car. anecdotes from the team in that period highlighted just how much Michael was in the factory working with the engineers. come 2014 and you know the rest- Hamilton jumped into a race winning car developed with Michael's help
Consider making a vid on Rohrl
Quality video, thanks.
Amazing analysis 😊
I've never really liked Max but there is no denying his amazing talent. I can see many more world titles coming his way. In fact atm he could even be considered a favourite to be 1st to 8. Or more.
Peter Windsor disagrees with you and says Max brakes earlier not later and takes a short corner' approach. I believe him.
Yep telemetry shows that. At least comparing with LEC style.
Peter Windsor also explains what he means by early braking and short corners.
He brakes early to "his braking point" meaning it could still be late to other racing lines braking points.
And short corners he always explains as "lenghtening the straights" meaning short corners isn't always the shorter line but the shortest time spent cornering.
Wich does seem in line with what Scott explains in this video.
Driver61 videos are filled errors
@@justinwalpole8956 No they are filled with people in the comments who don't understand it. This video is essentially an explaination of what Windsor means with short corners.
@@Minifliekthanks, that's a really helpful interpretation of Peter Windsor's analysis. I thought it was opposite to Scott's analysis, but it now makes more sense to me!
I told people this multiple times.
Only the best of the best loved the unstable front-end grip cars.
I said that Verstappen has nearly the same style as Schumacher and they didnt believe me. Now I have a video to back up my argument. Thank you!
Tire management is one of the greatest talents of Max. Can you also make a comparison between Max and Charles driving styles🙏🏻?
When Charles gets close to Max’s cornering speeds, he bins it … That makes a direct trace comparison difficult.
@@Clyde-2055 no one is getting close to Max in cornering speed this season 🤷🏻♀️ unless going beyond the limit of the car😉. Maybe, we should ask Max to drive a SF23 to make the comparison 😅
@@alessandraderango2766 - Alex, that’s a great idea !
🔥🔥🔥ur driving style videos are fantastic. Thank u sir
The pointy-nose cars seem like they're generating more of a handbrake-style turn in the corners, which have a great way of setting you up early for the exit. Still, profiting despite the wear to the rear tyres and potentially reduced delivery of power to the tarmac (low traction) would be a hell of a challenge.
Well that is how you setup and drive a kart very fast. Which Michael and Max grew up driving
Very good video. Thanks! I think your channel would really flourish if you make more comparison videos. Unlike soccer its hard to notice the differences between athletes unless an expert like yourself points them out
This is an amazing way to visually show telematry data, brilliant video thank you Scott.
Edit: The changable conditions point on Zandvoort '23 isnt as simple as you make it seem though, listen to both their teamradio's for the truth to it. Perez assumed he would need to keep his tyres in good condition for possibly more incoming rain and was simply not pushing especially in the corners that eat up your rubber. Verstappen on the other hand was told it likely would keep drying up quickly and he was free to burn up his rubber so he did not hold back one bit. Max is simply better then Checo thats hard to deny but in this specific case it was not all that black and white.
thank you for this explination, im no Max fan but you have made my respect for him go up
Thanks
I need explaining for this stuff
Reminds me of the Albon interview a few years ago. Alex mentioned he liked a pointy car until he tried Max's setup. He said it made him feel like he was always driving a bus. In the end a pointy car is always faster.
Pointy as in oversteery, or pointy as in balanced and responsive?
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9eepointy as in responsive oversteer
@@ploppyjr2373 But if the car is oversteering you have less total grip.
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee less rear grip, more front grip
More oversteer cars are not faster . That's just a myth both under , over and balanced steering can make a car fast depends on how drivers can use it.
Most great drivers prefer oversteer. I've seen it in simulators too like iRacing. The best drivers setup the car very loose.
Why was Rubens right foot braking?! I assumed they were split pedals by then.
Also, yet another reason to get rid of these tires. I wamt drivers to be able yo drive aggressively. Tires are quite literally tied to almosy every readon F1 is just not as good as years ago. That and theyre too big
With the right foot braking it was just a leftover from the older cars. The drivers of the time had driven their whole careers up to that point right foot braking, so I guess left foot braking was completely foreign to them and some just didn't want to go through the struggle of learning it. Rubens did eventually change to left foot braking later in his career. I believe Coulthard also used to have a clutch pedal specifically for starts instead of the usual paddle on the steering wheel because it was what he was used to.
Left foot braking only became a thing in the early 90s once the gearbox became semi automatic that's why those who were coming up were originally right foot brakers in junior formula and arrived in F1 needing to learn left foot braking
Also left foot braking came from primitive blown diffusers being used from about 1990ish and the only way to energise the diffuser was using the throttle so you needed small input of throttle through the corners hence the trace maps showing throttle and brake application at the same time from that era
Also it's the reason why Brundle career ended due to his managed ankle from his 1984 crash and why Johnny Herbert career didnt reach the levels it could have potentially as due to his 1988 brands hatch crash he had to do right foot braking all the time
well right now there's only two ways F1 knows how to encourage pit stops. Refueling and tires. Refueling got banned, so we're left with tires. If you don't want everyone doing zero stoppers, you need tires that go to shit in 30 laps or so, which is how we end up where we are today.
Who knows, maybe one day F1 will try pitstops refilling push to pass limits.
@@Appletank8 I really do want zero stops. I want the drivers to settle it on the track, not the pits.
@@nuclearmedicineman6270 They would interact even less. Pit strategy conveys a risk/reward, trading track position for better lap time. Without them, track position would be extremely static. Might as well just have time trials.
I'm a bit confused, other experts claim that Max is relatively early on the brakes. The oversteer and fast rotating of the car is being echoed by others though.
Thank you so much, this video turned my whole world view point about vestapen
when i heard the name Verstappen again in F1 all these years ago, i was certain he would become a champion.
I was sure he had the talent, and I know who and how his father.
1+1=🏆
Jos was considered a hot talent until he got to f1 and was Michaels teammate. Michael blew him away and he never reLly recovered from it. Had some great races at arrows in 96, and 2000/01. Also was running a simtek in 6th place at argentina in 1995.
Michael my GOAT and idol since I was a kid, later Vettel and since Im from Holland, now Max. My F1 life has been good!
Isn’t Max from Belgium ?
@@Clyde-2055he's dutch
I came here after watching Max's first flying lap at Suzuka 2014, and just by watching the steering wheel and how he is constantly correcting the car's front, I can see the Schumacher inspiration for his driving style.
I'll never forget when Gerhard Berger drove the B195 in winter testing before the 96 season he found it incredibly hard to drive and had a couple of big accidents. Makes sense watching this and of course neither Berger or Alesi could get the best out of the following B196 or 197 like Michael could.
The video we didn’t know we could get !
I hope he gets more wins than Hamilton by the time his career ends.
2/3 more seasons like this and he is already there
Stats mean jack all. Hamilton would still be a elite driver even if he never moved to mercedes. Just like max is
@@thedutchexposerno wonder you're Dutch🤡
@@user-vz5kh6qm7hhe was for sure but he definitely wasnt considered the goat or even the best on the grid 10 years ago. Maybe fastest over 1 lap at the time but thats it..
@@thedutchexposer You do know you can like max without shitting on Lewis you know. If you consider max the goat why would you compare him to Lewis shouldn’t you be more concerned about Senna Fangio or Schumacher? Something doesn’t add up.
Smooth as silk segway into the sponsorship! 👏👏😂
I think I get it. Is it like the difference between rear wheel drive and front wheel drive in snow? I find rear wheel drive easier, you can enter a turn on the throttle and then stay on it and use it to steer.
What Schumacher means by instinct is actually intelligence.
The more intelligent you are the more instinct you have.
False, think of a unimodal curve (or symmetrical distribution) where the far left is instinct and the far right is intelligence. In the middle, most people have a bit of both, but some are only instinct and some are all intellect where intellect overrules instinct.
This needs to seen by a lot of people in the F1 groups I'm in on Facebook. So many people in those groups are so delusional
this is nothing new for racing drivers well known stuff since decades and decades, even before schumacher
I observed Senna use this style at the hairpin in Montreal back in 1989... Simply amazing...
Great video, sadly the competition is not open to Spain nor Italy for the F1 drive. I want the 15 mins back I tried to calculate the trajectory of the ball! :D
The way Max Verstappen drives, he would have still been competetive in Schumachers era.
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How did you gather all those datas/telemetry sheets???
The particular sheets in this video you can literally find in Google
Nice work. Are you able to do Riccardo’s driving style. 👍
Also let's remember that Michael did all this with those stupid grooved tires!