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BIG 12 Rumors Stirring for Clemson & Florida State? What's that mean for NCSU? | NC State Podcast
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Conference Realignment rumors continue to stir about. Must be the middle of July still. As Media Days for the Power 4 Conferences roll on through the rest of this month, some buzz began in the BIG 12. Are Clemson & Florida State considering a move to the BIG 12 Conference instead? Where does that leave NC State after the dust settles?
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I love your Podcast and this discussion about traditions, especially.
I have been screaming this idea from the rooftops and will continue to cry out for it.
Our intro walkout song needs to be “Howling for You” by The Black Keys. It’s distinctive, it’s intimidating, it’s creepy, it’s inclusive from a crowd (harmony) perspective, and it’s a song that initiates those goosebumps that are just priceless and compelling for recruits, fans, and visitors. Please consider this. Go Wolfpack!!! 🐺🐺🐺
Ahhh that’s a great song. Could be an option!
I think that after 10 years of this, conferences are eventually going to get so big where it will ultimately collapse and we go back to regional conferences with like 12 teams
I've been saying this for years. ESPN and Fox cannot sustain such a trajectory evident by Disney, owner of ESPN, cutting back. Plus the schools that usually make the playoffs may not be able make the cut, which won't bode well with the fans. For example, if the SEC is guaranteed 4 spots in the playoffs, what if UGA, Texas, Missouri, and Ole Miss make it, leaving Alabama out? This could very well be a reality. And what if Oklahoma gets hot? The powers that be will be unsettled and changes will need to be made. I've always said Bama had a competitive advantage over everyone, which is why they were a dynasty. So Bama will bitch to the SEC (as Saban often did), and the cards will stacked (ehm, reshuffled) in Bama's favor so they can have a clear path to the playoffs. In order to do that, they have to create smaller conferences where Bama would have better odds. It's funny, Saban cried when they were talking about pods and Bama's pod included a very good Tennessee, a determined archival Auburn, and Vanderbilt. If Bama had its way, their pod would likely have included South Carolina, Miss St, and Vanderbilt. In short, there are too many good teams in the SEC and some teams used to being in the playoffs may find themselves watching them on TV. Plus, once the media money dries up, mega conferences will have to either break up into regional conferences or boot out the dead weight (shots fired at you, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Miss St.). Another possibility would be mega conference adopt the Big 12's plan of private equity to supplement revenue the media contracts may no longer be able to provide.
Hopefully more regional than the first go around. I also wouldn’t hate taking a stab at the relegation model. Chip Kelly references that a while back
Or you will get regional pods… which is even better..
@@LockedOnWolfpackrelegation like fake football. I would like that.
Ahhhh Kenton's gonna use his connections for the Wolf Howl!!! Thank you brutha! One important question, I am assuming we are talking about consecutive howls repeated for a minute or so... if so, we would need someone, cheerleaders, student section, someone to start and lead the howls.... I envision everyone, being led by the leaders, raising the double Wolf sign at the height of the howl, and bringing them down simultaneously at the end of each howl. this would basically serve to both initiate the howl and keep the timing together.... and there would have to be some organizing to get the word out before the WCU game... on forums, the Technician, etc.
You need a few leaders, and a large projection on the Jumbotron. That way it can’t be missed by anyone in the stands
I am here for the Howl of the Wolf. That would be a new tradition and make it harder for visiting teams to win the arena.
It’s something different! If it sticks, it sticks. If it doesn’t, you have a world record for trying
I agree with Grayson. Stay and the Pack will go to playoffs and become more of a national brand. They have everything in place.
State would certainly look to become the new Sheriff in town
Hokie here, I think our futures are tied together and my biggest worry is for us to end up having to compete with UVA, UNC and Tenn surrounding us. That much SEC all around is going to be something that is harder and harder to fight. I think NCSU and VT getting better is dependent upon not having to complete vs homestate SEC teams. UVA is really not that much of a problem but UNC in a different level than VT gives them a heck of an advantage in Virginia.
Going back to our metro conference i agree the SEC surrounding Memphis has kept Memphis from gaining autonomy status for 4 decades.
FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC would mean the same thing to NC State as OU and Texas leaving the Big 12 meant to Kansas.
Absolutely nothing.
I don’t think that’s entirely true.
Kansas will miss the Oklahoma most since we were original Big 8 members. I would like the best of the Big 12 combine with the best of the ACC for a new true power conference that could rival the B1G
Trying to conver all of our offensive weapons is going to be like playing whack-a-mole!!! Lol
It absolutely will. Teams will have to fight to play us straight up. Otherwise someone dangerous will always be open. Double team KC? Joly is open
I agree that if Florida State and Clemson leave the ACC the Wolfpack should become the dominant program in the ACC
We’re on that course right now
@@LockedOnWolfpack no you're not lmaooo
NCSU will definitely be the best ACC program after FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA leave for the SEC…
And even more so after Louisville, VATech, Miami, Pitt, GA Tech leave for the Big12 if NCState doesn’t join too…
Not interested in dominating a second tier conference. Might as well be App State.
I agree with expanding the stadium getting into the 65000 range would make it a lot more comparable and formidable especially for big games. A lot of solid programs are in that range like ole miss and VA tech. I think that would help put a better spotlight on us too if for example a random sec or big 10 team came and they were surprised like “wow this no state team has a 65000 stadium that’s bigger than I thought”
Agree. Not only would the seats get filled, but it would definitely help out in the brand perception department
FSU and Clemson leave... ACC is more concerned with exit fees... FSU and Clemson leave.. NBC becomes a major player based on their relationship with Notre Dame.. they add Kansas, Penn St, to replace FSU and Clemson at 60-70 mil per year for ACC.. rumours are floating..
Long way off from any of that
NBC just signed NBA at 7 billion .. why is Notre Dame quiet.. ? They already get what Sec and big 10 are throwing around as possible numbers .. NBC wants a bigger footprint in college football.. ACC is at the 45-46 mil range. Now.. ESPn contract can be renegotiated 2026. They will low-ball.. NBC comes in to offer core teams 60+ minus FSU and Clemson .and. SMU , cal , Stanford at a discount. Watch teams jump like they have done the last 10 years..
We excel? Kind of like K and Roy retiring? Except Clemson and FSU moving on means a big payday for the ACC overall.
A payday, capitalizing on recruiting shifts, a lot of things would shift into NC State's favor
I will boil & eat my own shoes if FSU/Clemson go to the Big12 😂. I could see a world where us, Louisville, & VT make that move though maybe closer to 2030 or so
When you typed this out, did you have a specific pair of shoes in mind?
That’s funny
That’s funny
That’s funny
Big 12 would never give out uneven revenue that's why texas and Oklahoma is gone...
Correct
Good morning guys! 😁👋
Good Morning! Happy Friday!
Please leave Clemson and FSU. No one cares.
I dreampt that the ACC stayed intact and went back to divisions. 😅
If they ever rewind back to divisions, they need to revisit how they’re constructed. The Coastal was flat out bad. Atlantic ran the show
FSU, Clemson and UNC are the ones always mentioned in rumors. If it is all about football, State's record since the year 2000 is: vs Clemson (6-18 Clemson); vs FSU (11-13 FSU) and vs UNC (15-10 STATE!!!!!!). If you look at the last 5 years in is heavily in State's favor! What are we/THEY talking about if they want the best competition!
All about the $$$. It’s just greed to be quite honest. Everyone wants a bigger slice of the pie
yall not comp cope
The biggest Chall for the Wolfpack toward building a dynasty is retaining players for more than a couple years
Which is slowly improving
But if FSU & Clem leave, do we remain as a P4 conference??
I believe so. The ACC would look to counterbalance those moves as best they can. If Miami, Louisville, UNC & more look to leave, then you have a real problem afoot
It would be hilarious if we honored manny diaz on senior night against duke 😂
😂 hard pass
Why doesn’t the ACC use private equity to do exactly what they are speculating the big 12 is going to do?
Who would they take though? The Big 12 doesn't have any top brands like the ACC anymore.
I think the ACC is currently in a beneficial situation for themselves, and they’d like to keep it that way. No need to reach out and poach schools that may not move the needle. That’s my two cents
I meant use the funds from a private equity firm to secure Notre Dame, Florida State and Clemson in the ACC. with Notre Dame included the ACC would be just as strong as the big 10.
The private equity firm would have increased the value of the ACC . The championship game and all other games downstream in the conference would instantly be more valuable with Notre Dame involved.
Private equity would supply the cash to get the ACC to the next TV contract negotiation or enable the ACC to buy out of it and start renegotiation for a newTV contract.
It’s all about money if Florida State and Clemson Notre Dame feel they can get paid more than they are right now and have the same chance at winning the league it would make sense to stay.
Private equity could also bridge the gap too fixing the wrongs done by the ACC handling of the pre-existing contract.
Because private equity doesn't give money out of the kindness of their hearts. They want outsized returns and they will come for that pound of flesh. Where do you think that flesh would come from??
@@Wolfpacker the same place it will come from a big 12.
They one percentage of the value of the conference after a 10 year period. More than likely. . The conference with Notre Dame would be very similar to the big 10 value and 10 years.. it would make profits immediately upon making a conference that included Notre Dame, Florida State, and Clemson
They need to bring back the three wolves one time. Cause my brother in law stupidly got a small three wolves tat(his only one) on his back when in school. 😂 that would sustain my logo bashing for another 20 years!
Oh man that’s a brutal decision hahah. At least it’s unique?
Get someone on to talk about Wrestling and their contribution to the athletics program.
We will!
Well we could be the top dog of a conference where everybody else is weak but we're awesome. Like way back when Florida state was the only football program that hardly ever did anything.
Ucon and Gonzaga becoming major in basketball was unexpected in the modern era.
UCF Cincinnati Florida state of the 90s Miami in the 90s especially Miami and Florida State coming out of the ACC and the Big East winning football titles. Isn't that possible for NC State?
Anything is possible for NC State. But if FSU & Clemson want to make a bad decision, we'll capitalize both monetarily and on the field
Fsu n Clemson are not going to the big 12. Makes absolutely no sense what so ever
Agree. But we welcome those two into making bad decisions that would benefit NC State
Yes, it does. FSU losing 63-3 to Georgia in the Peach Bowl stinks to high heaven. That loss still reverberates. I think that's why both the SEC and the Big 10 don't want FSU. Also the Seminoles' combined playoff and New Year Six bowl record is 1-4. FSU does well in the ACC but always loses by double digits once it goes outside of the ACC.
@@CarlaJenkinsTVlol no it doesn’t! Not to people that understand the sport and $$$$
@@CarlaJenkinsTV fsu has a winning record vs the sec all time and have 3 titles so how they always lose outside the acc lmaooo just running yo mouth
Add Connecticut, Georgetown and Kansas to acc and it would be top basketball conference
UConn feels like a potentially great ACC addition
A big howl for more Wolf howls!! I loved Dick Sheridan but I would not do a Dick Sheridan diamond helmet game every year. If so I want a Chuck Amato game every year. And sweet Caroline (Carolina) is as lame a song as State could ever ever do.
How would they represent a Chuck Amato game?
Its hilarious that the SEC and Big10 are rejecting FSU and Clemson.... oops!!! LOLOLOL! The only problem I can think of about them leaving ACC and State taking over as a top dog would mean top recruits will not want to play in a mediocre conference....
That’s where regional recruiting may change. Maybe local prospects around here pick Clemson & FSU, knowing they’ll still play road games close to their hometowns. If those two are in the Big 12 or wherever else, makes it harder for family to see them (if they heavily weigh that)
As long as the ACC gets an automatic CFP bid and maintains its autonomous status, it is not a mediocre conference. I think that many players would still flock to NC State because the Wolfpack are a solid program.
Lol keep watching, they want that viewership $$$$
The howl should be generated by the cheerleaders, and maybe trigger the fans by a Howl from the Jumbotron
Jumbotron is the way to do it. Catch everyone’s attention
The legacy game could be homecoming game
A legacy game every season to honor ALL of our former Coaches players and history I could get behind 💯.
That’d be the ideal spot for it
@@jessebolt8109absolutely
I love State, but I will give up my football season tickets if we are not competing in a top tier conference. I have no interest in watching us play South Florida or Tulane.
If Florida State & Clemson are being denied into the BIG 10 & SEC, I had bad news for NC State
Not happening
HOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And getting back in seats is not always people leaving for tailgates. Tell the dumbarses at the top of the concourse stairs to keep moving!!! We spend five minutes just waiting to get off the stairs. Where are the darn ushers?!? Who the hell doesnt know where they are going when they get to the top! Freaking keep moving. This drives me insane.
Really surprised they didnt put in permanent seats under the new scoreboard and wrap them around end-to-end.
Valid point. The flow of foot traffic in general can certainly be improved. Takes a lot more organization
FSU is AAU and Miami is close
Would N.C ST frown at the thought of a Memphis, UCONN, TULANE, and USF joining if say FSU,Clemson,Miami, left?? Me personally im a Memphis fan and would love to play yall. But i think 8 teams should vote out of GOR.
CLEMSON
FSU
MIAMI
DUKE
UNC
NC. ST
VIRGINIA
V.T
And maybe even Pitt.
So 9 teams vote out.
Those 9 and G.T Keep it at 10 teams. BOOT OUT the 3 new comers. Cal, stanford, smu, B.C, W.F, Syracuse . Trim the fat. Hate it for W.F but other 3 carolina schools will say goodbye to winston salem. Then those 10 schools can make way more money!
Honestly, no. Wouldn't frown at all. My personal take, I think the ACC should be preserved at all costs. It'd be truly devastating to see it die like the PAC 12
FSU's losing 63-3 to Georgia in the 2023 Peach Bowl is most likely why the SEC and Big 10 aren't inviting them. The Seminoles also have a 1-4 playoff + New Year Six bowl record. They beaten Michigan in the 2016 Orange Bowl. They've lost to Oregon (39), Houston (14) and Georgia (60). FSU only does well in the ACC but once they get into the bowl season, they lose. Going to the Big 12 is not a stretch. That's really their only play or stay here.
Keep watching they want that viewership $$$$ the uga game was meaningless
Been telling ya'll for a hot minute! FSU NEVER had a landing spot prior to starting their "bit@hing and moaning" session against the ACC. Ya'll swore up and down that FSU would not be doing this if they didn't already have a landing spot. Ya'll talked all this smack about Miami and how they'd better hope that FSU takes them along with them, etc., etc.
FSU doesn't have a choice here. They can't stay in the ACC any longer because it's not going to be an ideal marriage. It'll be like husband and wife constantly fighting and going at each other. The trust is gone between the two. They either go to the Big 12 or go Independent. FSU does have the resources/monies to buy their GOR. The issue, which has always been the issue, is that they never received any interest from the SEC or the Big 10.
Keeping that in mind, with this part of my prediction coming true, I'm going to predict something else which I've stood by since day 1. If Miami does well this season coming up and ends up going into the play-offs, you better believe that they'll eventually end up in the Big 10 or dare I even say it; The SEC? Miami is doing it the right way. They didn't pitch a stink and rub other programs and the conference the wrong way. They already have all of the necessary or desirables that the Big 10 would want in a Big 10 program. People can say whatever they want to about how they don't have good attendance at their games, don't have a stadium, how they haven't won the conference or a championship since joining the ACC, etc.
Bottom line, after more than 2 decades of not doing anything, Miami is still ranked in the Top 10# in college football brand recognition. Add that to the enormous media/geographical area, etc., Miami is in the right spot to be looked at seriously by any of the other P2 conferences. Finally, with Miami's president no longer being at the program, Fink, or whatever his name is, as he took the role of president over at, I believe, USC recently, Miami's interim president is reportedly a hardnosed supporter for the football program and wants to see it flourish like it once did. I don't think that it's any coincidence that the new president is in place, and I would not be surprised if they've already been planning in the background. Why else do you think Miami has been shelling out loads of monies in NIL deals to obtain better talent, etc.? They've been killing the recruitment lately and if they manage to obtain DJ Pickett, they'll again be in the top 5 for recruitment next year.
Grayson, NC State ain't all that. What a joke to think they would be the top program. They have had one 10-win football season in school history and it was a long time ago. Virginia Tech has 14 10-win seasons in the past 30 years, finishing the year ranked 17 times in that span, 4 in the top 10, while in that time NC State finished the year ranked only 5 times and they have never ended the year in the top 10. There is a huge difference between those programs and others, including Miami (10-10 against VT in 20 years and 15-15 in 30 years) would have a much stronger case than NC State.
It's about projection. Not where we've been, but where we're going. Across the board, (including Football) that appears to be at an upward angle
@@LockedOnWolfpack No one in their right mind would think NC State would be considered the best football program in the ACC if FSU and Clemson left. BTW, I lived in NC and I root for NCSU often and could say many nice things about the school and the football program. I'm not a hater.
The Big 10 and SEC teams aren't going to take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson, maybe Notre Dame.
If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs.
I think that last part is sadly true
Doubtful they were putting at least one sec team in regardless
@@SurferRCI think it was a travesty that FSU was left out. Especially just to put Alabama in
As a big 12 fan I would love to see those teams stay where they are. We don’t need them.
It would be a very bad idea for the two of them
I don’t think it would be good for anyone. Them, you, us. Great video 👍
@@dnuts4104likely wouldn’t be
Huh,I don’t hate State but when they do win a particular game or conference championship they let everyone know it,that they are on par or better than UNC,that in itself proves they have an inferior complex 😊
We hadn’t won a title in 32 years. How did you think we’d act? Years of being made fun of, years of frustration, you thought we’d just clap our hands and keep moving? Drink some water man