NIGHTWISH - Noise (REACTION) What's Poppin!
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I don't think the song is about phones or social media being evil, but about criticizing the way people brainwash themselves voluntarily with all the NOISE that there is to find online.
I agree!
Spot on
Not just online, in the press, on the TV. Its also about people's failings like tuomas showing himself as a lover of nature but then shown bathing in filth and being fine with it.
True but remember its a lot to take in whilst you are trying to listen to the song as well as the lyrics. It takes a few views to get the whole concept of each part. Definitely a grower. I really like this song after a couple of views.
I agree!
Nightwish is dramatic as always, but I thought the message of the song was: Amid all the noise, do remember to experience the real flowers, real nature, real life. It exists and can be beautiful.
In Finland, most families living in cities have cottages situated along rivers or lakes surrounded by forests. The noise of a digital world replaced by noises of nature. Spending weekends and holidays there refreshes you in a way nothing in a city can. While we have all the modern comforts there, including internet, everything is just....simpler. I find myself forgetting that my phone with it's 4G capability exists. So much more enjoyable to take the dog on a walk on a forest path, sense the softness of the moss under my boots, feel the morning dew on passing leaves.
The world today, in a song.....Addicted to the screen, instead of being addicted to the beauty, around us.
Using online features to gain more time off the screen is the normal way, addiction to the screen for useless things, isn't. Like UA-cam...lmao 🤐🤔
@@JHX1 So whilst I'm at my home, and not actually outside, watching this video, I'm addicted? Is that what you're saying? Because that's where I am. At home, watching this video, and not actually outside. Watching this video, hence, whilst being at my home, whilst watching this video, I'm not actually outside, looking at the beauty. Because just to reiterate....I'm at my own home....Watching this video! 🤔
@@thedarkness97 Not at all, we all use devices and are online.. that is where we are right now. I just never ever use my phone outside besides for work or calling. It won't change much if I look up useless things a hour or a day later.
@@JHX1 Oh I see so you're calling this channel useless?
@@thedarkness97 lol, no need to assume anything negative.. Was more a comment about myself being here also and spending too much time online.. UA-cam itself is a way to learn things and also have fun, listen to music etc. Is it useful for my life and can't I do without it.. no.
Very powerful messages in that video. It's deep. Thought provoking. You have to watch it several times to truly appreciate the imagery.
Once again, you guys rocked :)
Here's my 2 cents about the song: Noise is coming from us, the people. Phone it's just an... amplifier/multiplier of the 'noise'. Just a device. But, for some reason all the information technology has shapen our social structures as well. So it's not about just information. Even if we personally can put our phones away, in the bigger picture world has really changed in the last 10-15 years.
In the video, we see group of like-minded people focused their social circles online. Until one of them (Emppu) screws up somehow. Maybe says something different, or just stands out from the group for some reason. So he gets stabbed and kicked in the background, while other dude (Kai) is posing in front of him - instead of helping or defending him.
Then we have attention seeking mother (Floor), who uses her daughter as a tool to build up perfect image of motherhood online. We see pretty instagram model, but also the lenghts how far people are willing to go for the sake of beauty and followers.
We see online eco-warrior (Tuomas) building his image, hugging trees and kissing rubber duck (cause cute little animals bring you likes online). Also there is wealthy and succesful man (Troy). In the reality, eco warrior is bathing in oil, consuming while still kissing that rubber duck. The throne of the wealthy man is actually a toilet seat.
So there is a lot of noise, that really affects people and society. Of course there are lots of positive stuff as well, but even too much of positive stuff can be distracting. If we live in this planet... 60, 70, 80 years, how much of that time we really want to pay attention to this amount of noise?
We all have volume control, and the filter to this noise. Meaning us. We can be that filter, and we can reduce the noise if we want.
It's going to intresting to listen this in album context, cause this is just little part of the story about humanity, and our relationship with nature. I'm expecting something like thousands of years of humanity involved in the concept, instead of just the last 10-15 years.
btw, Tuomas was interviewed in our national news, and he said that he has smartphone as well. While he is not that active on social media, he said that little device can be quite addictive. There are also obvious influences to british series 'Black Mirror' in this song. It's very satirical near-future scifi-series, with some dark sense of humor.
Side note. I am a Christian. And yet I love Nightwish. Have since before I was Christian and still. That will never change. My view of god is different though than most..... I also believe in science too. But I don’t want to debate this. I find their music fascinating. I’ve always been a open mind. And not traditional in my ways at all. I throw off a lot of people I know who are I feel like traditional.For me I think it’s important to understand other mindsets and be educated as well on how the world works. Which is why I loooooove Nightwish because that’s what they are about. And I actually very much agree with a lot of the things Nightwish makes their music about. Thank you guys for having these cool discussions. It really opens up the door for people to think through things like myself. I appreciate very much what your doing.
Also, the part where empu has a phone that goes red emphasizing the hes getting something different from the crowd.,. and they turn on him because he's not following along with the rest of them.. and how classic is it to see Kia taking pictures to post rather than helping him...
I viewed it that he clicked the dislike or posted a negative comment and they turned on him for it.
Thanks for the analysis of the video and the society it criticises! As many have already stated, the song and the video try to say more than just ”phones and modern ICT are bad”. Nightwish and its members use social media every day - Floor sends her fans something almost weekly - so the message in this piece of art is deeper.
Sistah and Wolf, you are always so real, open and truly YOU in your videos, I simply love it! I really believe the style you’ve chosen for your content encourages other people to be true to themselves (and not seek validation from plain likes and hearts in the social media). So keep up the good work, you amazing people!
“Have a near life experience....”
I love that line.
Me too 🙋♀️
I totally agree🤗
I don't agree with that, but it's a beautiful line :P
Millennials definitely lived through an analogue age without smart phones. I'm 36, born in 1984, a millennial by definition - born early enough, we are the final generation who has lived in an analogue society - but we came up when society was transitioning from analogue to digital. We're the last generation to know the greatness of the analogue world, but also appreciate and experienced the wonders of a digital world first-hand. We millennials beta tested that phone that you're holding right now, we beta tested all of this modern technology. Oftentimes early millennials are touted as "the lost generations," or "xennials" - the last generation who lived without smart phones, the Internet as we know it today, and the wonders of today's technology.
Even millennials born at the tail end of the generational divide have experienced this life, although briefly. Gen-X and millennials are the product of the Boomer generation, with Gen-Z being our progeny, for whom we are trying to create a better world. Given time, it's my hope that we can take back the technology and use it as a tool, instead of a way of life, like it's being touted now.
The same age as me, then. I have experienced a few ways to live. One was without electricity and running water for a few weeks at a time in my childhood, welcoming the sunrise and the creatures of nature with open arms every morning. Then came the household internet and now I use computer and smartphone a lot. I think I have a kind of (sometimes intense) love-hate relationship with the whole thing since I love the creativity they provide but I still remember how the colors felt so much brighter and purer with no screens in sight. I didn't have to share anything over the web to actually feel happy. So this song, along with "High Hopes" describe my moods quite often these days.
I'm born -89. I, too, remember the time before smart phones, before cell phones, before internet and social media.
They are great tools, don't get me wrong, but I can feel a certain sorrow when they make people forget the real world around them. I was in a choir, and there was this girl I knew from school also in it, a couple of years younger than me. During breaks we used to sit together at the same table, just her and me, because everyone else was much older and we didn't really know them. After a few years I told the girl I was moving away to go to university and she got upset, because who would she spend the breaks with? I couldn't help but wonder why she asked. All those years, all those breaks with us two sitting alone at the same table she never spoke to me or even looked at me because she was too busy playing with her phone. If you wanna be poetic about it she was too submerged in the "noise" to hear me right next to her.
Also about ppl pretending to be what they are not. First part of the song is pretending, the second part is what they really are
Yes! Hypocrisy, and virtue signalling, contributing to the noise, as well as distracting yourself with it. The noise comes from somewhere, after all.
Dont forget to listen to the audio version of the song, there is a small part cut out of the song in the video but for me it actually makes a big difference in terms of the composition.
2 points to make for you lovely people: Floor's first studio album was the one before this, Endless forms most beautiful. Also, on that album is a song that I think you both would enjoy, both musically and lyrically. It's called Weak Fantasy and is about some of the bad things about religion - non-specified so I take it as religion in general. I suggest the Tampere 2016 live one. You can find that one with lyrics too.
Floor song all the songs on Endless Forms so this is her second album with Nightwish. She recorded the vocals with Endless forms and new album Human Nature
She did, but I risk sayng that she wasn't still as confortable with the band as she is in this album... I believe that she was still trying to understand her place as a vocalist of Nightwish and we will be able to listen her full development in this album.
@@Tauraherion Probably but I thought she sounded great on Endless Forms. This will be true evaluation and Tuomas already said she did an amazing job
I think they meant this is the first time they've reacted to a studio version, they always react to live versions. :)
@@rebecca1294 ok Nightwish did Studio video of Elan and Endless Forms most beautiful but was back in 15 but millions sar Elan. Nightwish coming to LA and NY in September. Tickets on sale now if live near by.
@@jerrybk1 Please don't lie to the people. No news on US tour as of today.
I'm almost 30, and spent about half of my life without this level of technology. Its a tricky area to navigate for sure, and being introverted like I am, computers and phones are a solid connection to reality and the outside world aside from work.
The point is that we don't need that kind of technology to live. We are way to dependant these days on smartphones and the generations who grow up now think this is normal, which is actually not. We are complete without all this Fake stuff, it's NOT real, A Matrix.
Great reaction! I was waiting for this one from you both. There are so many layers in this song's video, you could have spent another 30 minutes just "peeling off the layers of the onion" here and discussing them one by one.
You hit the nail on the head regarding the video's obvious main theme - device addiction and social media "posing," - but the other strong theme is narcissism and self-absorption. The "cancel culture" is also a related topic which is represented when Emppu deviates from the crowd and is then brutally attacked while a by-stander takes a selfie of himself with the attack in the background rather than intervening. Then there's the golden toilet throne, which the king is tweeting from, and then the headbanging while drenched in crude oil... it all underscores the huge challenges we face in this "brave new world."
a by-stander takes a selfie - is the percussionist Kai Hahto and the king, Troy Doinockley.
I just discovered u two just now and I love u guys. Finally Nightwish is viewed the way they deserve to be viewed. I hope u two make more reactions. Just so u know u kept saying about Pink Floyd, Nightwish does a beautiful cover of High Hopes by Pink Floyd. It's from the End of an Era concert live. It's AMAZINGLY EPIC. I will tell u guys I have seen Nightwish twice now with Floor and I have NEVER been disappointed. Got to meet Tuomas, got a pic with him, sweetest man ull ever meet. It's insane to think about meeting someone who inspires u deeply. Greatest moment of my life ❤ So thank u guys for making these reaction vids of Nightwish. I cried so hard watching Sistah react to Poet and the Pendulum. So deep
Hi sunshine and welcome! 😀🤗
So cool that you got to meet him! That's awesome! I know that was a surreal experience for you. Happy for you.
I'm glad you found us and I'm glad you enjoy our content 🌞💖
@@HalfLifeSistah I love ur energy it's so bright and positive. It truly was a surreal experience, he was so down to earth. I love watching them live cos the energy along with everyone else it is a beautiful experience. I'm sorry if u don't prefer requests but there's a song that I think u two would enjoy. A song called "Fear" by Blue October. That song lifts my spirits also knowing what the singer went thru. He was down a dark path most of his life but when he found out that his gf was having a baby, he wanted to turn his life around. He went to rehab, he went thru the trials and tribulations and he came out of the other side a changed man. His story is uplifting and so is the song ❤
Troy has a crown of oil drills. The king sat on a thrown caring only when others are watching him.
Floor the mother so attached to her phone she is missing life with her child. The fair ground in the background but she’s stuck in a dark room.
Tuomas the person so desperate to come across green but at home bathes in oil.
Empu the person on social media who says the wrong thing and is attacked.
Kai the person taking a selfie while someone is being hurt.
The insta model so desperate for likes she puts herself through all sorts to stay beautiful.
Marco the pharma guy with all the pills that will fix all ills.
The circle of humans stuck in the matrix with the beauty of the world right there.
Very good interpretation. 👍
Never clicked this fast on a reaction video.
“This device contains all the knowledge in the world”. Dear Wolfcain, i think you missed the point. The message in this video is a slightly different one: “This device contains the biggest shitload of lies in the world.” The message that Nightwish is trying to convey through this song is not that we are addicted to the devices. No, we are addicted to the endless stream of misinformation, fake news and stories that sound great but are actually not true. The song criticizes the fact that these devices are the greatest invention ever for people who want to indoctrinate us with fake stories. And we massively fall for it. Truth gets obscured because nobody is interested in it. Emppu is the only enlightened one who is able to recognize truth, and he gets attacked because his fellow group mates won’t allow him to have a different opinion. It’s an ancient problem that is bigger than ever before due to modern technology.
Actually that is why I was defending it lol. I know most people don't stick around to the end by I touch on that a little too. Both are true, but this is a growing pain for a new technology that is vital to our future as a species. All change comes at a cost, but progress and evolution only moves in one direction. It can be reset, sure, but then it starts right back up again.
I agree. I took the message as not so much an addiction to the screen, but the difference between the life that people portray on the screen versus the their actual reality.
Wolf, I feel you! The internet is most of my social world too. You don't have to look someone in the eye and vice versa. Makes it easier to communicate with others. I do think the song and vid is about more than just putting down your phone. I think it's about the fake personas we idolize on social media. Like Floor pretending to be the perfect mom with the perfect daughter online. But in real life she's a bad mom who doesn't spend quality time with her kid. Or Tuomas preaching online about the environment and going green, but in real life does nothing to support the cause. Emppu gets 'slaughtered' for having the wrong opinion online and Kai exploits the violence instead of helping him. Marco with false promises. These pills will make you buff or make you lose weight. And not saying it's addictive and can ruin your life. And Troy is the king of the internet. Everyone adores him. Then is throne turns into the shitter. Cause in real life he's just a dude with an internet connection like the rest of us.
Its amazing!!!! Ofcourse the song is referring to our modern obsessions such as vanity, ego, social media, selfies, technology, and big pharma pushing pills. We've disconnected from nature in favor of our own obsessions. Us as humans bringing our "Noise" to the planet, an otherwise soundless world.
We are so distracted by the comforts of technology, we forget to appreciate the true beauty in this world. As The monks show, we are "digital ghouls". We cant appreciate true beauty even if it's right in front of us. Kai seems to represent those who see something happening, instead of helping, they'd rather post on social media.
Emppu is with the rest of the monks, worshipping their technology when theres a masterpiece right in front of them. As soon as he looks up breaking "the norm" and what's expected, and gets attacked.
We worship technology and social media almost like it's a religion. As seen, as soon as Emppu looked away from the phone, look what happened. Also, Floor and her baby. Her baby being conditioned to our current way of life from a very young age. You can also see shes trapped by it when shes in Floors cage dress later. As well as Social Media Moms constantly showing off their children like some kind of trophy and being overprotective. If I could sum it in just a few of my own words, it would be..
THE TOXICITY OF HUMAN POLLUTION
This song has an incredible energy. No one held back. Floor and Kai really came through and Emppus guitar...oh man. If this is the "radio friendly" first single, we are in for one hell of an album!!!!
Enough has been said about the meaning of the video and the lyrics, so I want to touch upon something else. Floor's vocal lines. Dancing through the words in a near staccato rhythm, her vocal gymnastics are on point. Tuomas obviously fully understands who he has a vocalist and is giving her the space and vocal lines to really strut her stuff. Can't wait to hear this live.
Excellent comment concerning Floor and Tuomas! A Floor Rap! Going to NYC show. Happy Shock!
Best reaction and discussion of this song so far. You two are such a joy to watch. Now we just need to get Vin & Sori to react to it! :)
Best comment UPVOTE !!!
No, they missed the point. Just as Vin and Sori will. (They usually do). Watch more carefully. Its not about using a phone. Or social media. Think why its called 'Noise'! Whath for the distinct separation in music and visuals at beginning and end of the video. The change in the characters. Sadly, all missed in this reaction.
Damn i got goosebumps with that intro.. Thank you!
Man.. What an amazing band.. We live in glorious days!!
I like the line that goes something like.. "Are we the tool of the tool?... In other words, in this wonderful new world of ours, is the phone a tool for us, or have we become the tool for the phones...
HalflifeSistah I have been watching you guys for awhile and I always enjoy seeing you have your emotional connection to the music you are watching. Wolf made the comment about social media providing that grounding rod to remind him he isn't the only one. And your emotional experiences do that to me. I am an introverted empath.
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This reminds me of Within Temptation 'and we run' , 'Black hole sun' and.. Ayreon: 01011001 "They have advanced to the point that they have become completely dependent on machines and are losing their emotions", Rock opera with many artists including: Floor, Anneke and Simone.
And After Forever- Digital deceit ( 2004?)
Well said Wolf. I'm 35 and of course grew up without a cell but have fell into the trap of social media and interaction on our phones. I live in Colorado one of the most beautiful places In the United States. I need to get back into the mountains and embrace the beautiful nature and realize how lucky I am to live in a place like this. I was at a bar last night with my dad and didn't grab my phone once and was just interacting and talking to people face to face. It was awesome but I watched some upper 20 somethings come in and literally sit next to each other on their phones and not talk to each other or anyone else. It's like why even go out
Here i thought they werent able to make songs with more depth,after Poet And The Pendulum,Greatest Show On Earth and so on. But here they bring out all the horrific sides of social media (plus drug/pill abuse and the whole nine yard). Kai posing on a selfie while (i noticed Wolfkain recognized him) Emppu got beaten up in the back,Floor being the type of mom to force her daughter onto pictures,eventhough she really doesnt want to. The hysteria about having the "fit bikini,lingerie body" has gone abit too far with IG over the years,but they also bring up the massive amount of pills sold today,and the side effects by being addicted by the same pills. Like i said to others as well,this song has soo much to it,it needs to be listened to alot,as it was a grower for me. The more i listen to it,the more i like it. I do believe its about how bad social media is being used/abused by us people today,and all the noise that creates,like people not caring when someone is being hurt,they just pull up theyr cellphones and start recording.
It might not be that you guys did or did not get the entire message or even agree - it's that it invoked discussion and made you dive into the topic and you pulled out some deep things from within. THAT is what art should do.
That said, I love this song and more listens does help. There's a lot to take in. Can't wait for the album!
About the video being too much information, that is the point, IMO. Today, there is so much information on the devices we use that is hard to focus, to pay attention to something. That is why there are all this "noise" in the video with multiple instances repeating itself throughout the video.
What a great time - Nightwish time ... 😍
You should react to some of their heavier songs with Floor! When you have time > .
Finaly you 2 are back to Nightwish and a great reaction to a great song and video :)
For those wondering the black goo is rapeseed oil and black pasta, or something to the effect, according to Tuomas. Also according to Tuomas, the stuff was warm and Tuomas found sitting in it quite nice.
Floor was also on endless forms most beautiful which I believe was 2015, as others suggested master passion greed is as hard as Nightwish gets, with just Marco on vocals
Wolf - I am with you in terms of sitting on a beach doing nothing being boring BUT being out in nature is different. Swimming with Whale Sharks, trekking Yosemite, rafting the Zambezi, sumitting Kilimanjaro, cycling Death Road, visiting Izuagu and Victoria Falls, watching condors in Colca Canyon, driving through the Mojave Desert, giving a piece of banana to a monkey in the Amazon rainforest, seeing baby seals playing in a river round the corner from me, smelling the firs and seeing the giant Redwoods in Muir Woods (plus many more), watching a humpback whale breach the water and land with a huge splash are all things that are things I will always remember over seeing a documentary about them.
In my opinion the T.V, while great for the day to day, can never translate what your eyes can directly. And I have been very lucky to be able to do those things but people often dont see what is on their doorstep and should (again, in my opinion) get out locally more often.
Perhaps I didn't do a good enough job describing how much of an outlier I am. I've seen everything you described on TV and that is were I prefer it. Once an event is over and becomes a memory, I find very little difference between the virtual and the actual. To me it's all in how the brain interprets the information. It's only in the moment that life matters and the life you describe is not only not sustainable for me (and probably most people), it's not comfortable or consistent. As long as my brain is being fed, and my body is being challenged through exercise, I'm happy. The reality is, without tv, I would never experience the wonders you speak of, so that is were the value lies. It is also the only way to safely navigate the cosmos, something not possible in real life. And for that reason alone, I'm grateful of it's creation. Without it most would never be exposed to all the amazing stuff out there ❤️
@@WolfKain That's fair. Everybody is different and needs/wants are very different. For me, seeing something on the TV is great and is a stimulus for the mind however being there is a stimulus for the whole body. A bit like watching a concert on UA-cam versus being in the crowd. Or seeing the Andromeda galaxy in a picture versus down the eye piece of a telescope.
And yes, I have been lucky in terms of where I was born and the opportunities that I have been able to take because of that. That is not achievable for everyone and there are lots of things not really achievable for me. My last point was that some people view a lot of things as unachievable but dont really know what is available in their back yard.
The cuneiform symbols are used somewhat metaphorically to stand for the album title. "Human :II: Nature" (Human. Nature.) The star-like symbol is used interestingly for the "Nature" part (although it literally means either the sky, heavens, or a deity), while the joined symbols below mean "man" & "woman," thus, "Human." CD#1 of the double album has VERY limited symphonic elements, while CD#2 is an 8 part, 30+ minute, completely symphonic song.
The Dingir-sign at the top confused me a whole lot. It should be noted that the most common usage of that sign was as an indicator that whatever name followed by it was the name of a god. That would make this something like "The god called 'Human'".
@@windsaw151 Honestly, that makes a lot of sense. Starting from around the Neo-Classical era in art (industrial revolution), we began to see ourselves as "above" nature. We are the Chosen, we are the "gods". The fact that the cuneiform symbol for "nature" means 'god' is above it makes sense, because it reminds us that we are not above nature. Also makes sense in how they are translated, even if they're different languages (from the same area). It's honestly my favourite album cover ever, because of the use of Cuneiform and Ancient Assyrian.
@@mangalover0149 My little knowledge on cuneiform is limited on sumerian uses, not Akkadian or other languages. But I double-checked at least my sumerian sources and nowhere can I find the use of the dingir-sign as meaning "nature". It just means "god". This seems to be the same for Akkadian and Babylonian. ( psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e938.html )
Can you point me to an instance that links dingir with "nature"? Thanks!
@@windsaw151 That is an interesting side note!
Loving the couple moment. 😂. Love the fact use didn't edit that out.
I love the song & video.
Thank you two for seeing the meaning of the song. Wolf hit it right on the head the tool itself is not good or evil but how it is used decides its course . Best review/reaction I have seen you two do yet Thank You
This is actually the second full studio album with Floor on lead vocals. The song you have playing in the background is from the first studio album Floor did with the band. But this seems to be the first that Tuomas tailored to the full range of her abilities.
I tried to articulate the issue I have with the song's thesis on Twitter (heh), but Wolf Kain said it better.
Stobe Harju directed the MV, and as always with his work, it looks fantastic.
I've waited SO LONG for another Nightwish reaction from you guys. So glad it's finally here!!!
Thank you, sugah :)
Wolf gonna pay for that later. Hahaha! Real couple moment. Reminded me of my married days. I like the realness brother.
Reality is much better than BS!
Thanks for your thoughts. So true. I'm 45 years old (and from Germany, for them who doesn't know: yes, it's a high developed country in the first world - and yes we also have cars [btw: cars were invented in Germany by Carl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler] and fridges, and toaster and all the other cool stuff they have in the US), and most time of my life i lived without a smartphone, obviously. I love it, just the way you mentioned it: nearly the whole knowledge of mankind available in seconds, in my pocket. I'm a very curious person and have always the wish to learn more, to develop myself. And therefore the smartphone is a perfect TOOL. But: it's a tool, and I don't get nervous if I have forgotten my phone at home. I have a large appreciation for nature, for being outside hiking or just for a walk. When I was a child, my schedule was nearly everyday the same: get up, dress, go to school (by foot, of course), being in school, leaving school and go home (by foot again), eat something and doing my homework, meet with friends - outside. The whole afternoon and the early evening I was outside, whatever the weather and/or temperature was, with friends. On a weekend the same - just without school. It's possible to live without a smartphone, without social media. And sometimes it might be useful to lay the smartphone aside and just enjoy life without pressure and news and stuff like that. This prevents you to get stressed out. To the younger Generation, which hasn't the experiance without multimedia and smartphone: have a try... it works!
I have already seen the video 5 times .... when I see the reaction from your sister I am ALWAYS NEW surprised. thank you and best regards from Germany
too bad that I can not post a picture ... I just have YOUR metallica t-shirt on :)
First off thanks for the opening video! Must admit it's one I hadn't seen before and I immensely enjoyed the truthful message that both Troy and Tuomas imparted. Loved your reaction and analysis of this great song and video that is Noise! It's not just about social media use but also the fakeness behind the digital world. How these "users" portray a fake existence where everything is shown to be wonderful yet behind the scenes is a dark unhappy life and how they are missing out on truly living.
Well look at you two 😂 There's some passion in your discussion! Way to go!
It's indeed deeper than just "stop the phones!". It's more of a general criticism of all the false shit we get exposed to through it, how we get addicted to that and to being false ourselves outwardly, and how some of us abuse it or let ourselves be abused by it in lack of opening our eyes to the actual world. I believe a message to be to put it down to experience things, don't abuse the experiences for likes, for example. Also... to turn from the false shit and start actually taking care of our world, NOT the "sunless world" the internet is. Enjoy quiet, we need it. We have too much noise in the palm of our hand, and a lot of it isn't exactly beautiful music as much as loud and stressful crap...
Troy's monologue about the evils of religion at the start is very powerful.
I'm so happy I discovered you two. You remind me of my husband and I. Both metalheads as well. You have been my constant companion during some serious bipolar episodes and have saved my life. Keep on keeping on. Music is life.
Interesting commentary on the topic of the song ^^ I would've liked for you to dive into some of the nuances of the video though, because there was much more to comment on. That is if What's Poppin isn't a shorter format inherently, because you obviously need to watch it more than once for that :D
Tony and Tuomas both write about similar concerns like the environment & what social media is doing to society. I love friends that inspire each other.
Always look forward to your reactions. There are a lot of tiny details in the song. Like you say it's not so much "cell phones bad, nature good" as it is about the addiction to it and when it's used for the wrong reasons. This verse say a lot "Feeding the beast, in your loud Egoland. You have become tool of a tool. Digital ghouls telling you to shut up and dance". So a tool (the phone) one of the most helpfull inventions for everyday use, have trapped some people, and they can't stop because all the attention they get, even if the attention is just "noise" that doesn't really matter in the end. Exemplified with the various charactersshown, the mother who use her child for social status and end up literally trapping her (notice Floors dress is literally a cage in the end), the environmentalists who does all the right things when there is a camera on him, but alone he is bathing in a tub of oil (I'm still unsure if it's meant to say if he is a hypocrite or show how hard it is to actually live a entirely eco friendly life) the pill supplement industry so everyone can be "perfect", the model and so on. In the end it's just "noise" that distract us. And the framing of the entire story with the child who live their entire life in all the "noise" is pretty dystopic even if, like Wolf say, the cellphone can be used to improve so many things.
Those symbols in the end mean Human & Nature. They are written in cunei form, the writing of the ancient Sumerians, like you maybe knew.
The sign above the line means Human, the one under the line - Nature.
Well, some Nightwish fan wrote that - have to admit I haven't checked. But it sounds so right. And sounded like he would have taken it from Nightwish or another reliable source,
so I didn't bother to check :)
I think that the coming album is ahed off it's time. I like that because It's music off the future. In time people will see this as a masterpiece. We only have to look true the 'noise' in to the future.
Since you have opened my eyes to Nightwish, I have enjoyed them. A bit off the path I’m used to but good just the same! As always, luv you and the show and hope hubby is good! Take good care of you both!
The message is about our severe need of feeling accepted in society and the perfect lifes people share online aren't as perfect as they seem
In case no one mentioned it, the symbols are cuneiform dating from circa 700BC. The nature symbol is Sumerian
and the Human symbol is Assyrian.
It's funny agreeing with this video having my face shoved into my phone watching it 👀
I've noticed a difference between young or "older" people who viewed this video. The younger ones are shook and the older ones are "yeah, I know".
I guess that's because we (I'm 60) grew up without cell phones and computers; the telly or the flicks (cinema) were the only screens we knew, and they weren't 24/7 in our lives, so we (unlike the young today) know what life is/can be like without them.
@@psbarrow Yeah, like you said - black mirrors (and the noise) existed before cellphones and computers but the only difference is that today, we're online 24/7.
Phone bad
Thanks for sharing! Good review appreciated by all of us 😊Nightwish is gonna give some shows in the US 2020. For you who want to see them live ... this is your chance!! 🤘😄
I can appreciate science and religion. I’m sure that’s confusing to so many but I’m proud of my faith and my scientific nature. I’m glad you found that opening video. Thank you!
The message of NW is even deeper here. It isn't antitech. It is against the misuse of it. Not to become a tool of a tool. Cell phone is a good tool but a bad Master.
I love that Nightwish went so hard in their theme. Most bands are just sonic wallpaper.
I cant sit on a beach either but the last thing I would do is go to a beach and take a phone with me as a companion. If I was to go to a beach it would be with people and I would want to be present for them. The phone in that situation is noise. Generally if people go to the beach I will go find something else to do. I would swim I would wander...probably away from the beach after a while ;)
this song basically is holding us the mirror to the problems of our time...and what is noise...noise are the things that let us lose focus and distracts us from what is truly importent in life...life is about the equilibrium between the mystic of nature and the science of tech!and fact is that modern society is increasingly getting lost in a digital ,fake & artificial world of lies and disinformation and totally losing the connect to reality and nature...we are allowing science to evolve and overcome our own spiritial evolution and there for lack the necessary responsibility to use what science has brought forth in a manner that benifits mankind...humanity is lost in seperation & personal ego...on a spiritual level we should all still be using slingshots and not playing around with atombombs...and i think this video is a excellent display of how manipulative and false our society can be do to all the "noise"if you are not careful, and how easy it is to be blinded and lose focus to what is truly importent...aka voluntarily brainwashed into a selfdestructive ego based lifestyle...spiritual advancement must allways come before technological...and we all know how those movies end where tech evolves faster then our understanding to use it responsibly!!!anyway great message and great song...nightwish just never disapoints!wish all peace,love and happieness...and above all in times of virus epidemics,cancer,and what have you not, health and longevity!
First, awesome reaction and discussion. Sugar is killing me to... It's definitely NOT overstating that fact. My (13 year old) daughter is also much more addicted to both sugar and her phone than I think are Healthy and we have lots of discussions about it. I also feel like I've failed to properly balance these things for her as well.. so don't be too down on yourself. I've taken the tack of informing, and giving her space to fail and learn, but it's very hard as a parent!
Ok, time for me to come back again and do the off-topic suggestion I always do. Of course, it is Amorphis, and since you love Finnish Metal as much as all of us, you'll really love 'em too. Recommendations of the day are Grain of Sand, Into Hiding, Enigma, Three Worlds and Amongst Stars (feat. Anneke).
Crave the machine
Revere the screen
Zoom in for flak and misery
Bleed some pixels
Shoot yourself
Pose for the dead
Have a near-life experience
In a hot air matrix
Now you're a star
Vain avatar
Feeding the beast
In your loud Egoland
You have become
Tool of a tool
Digital ghouls
Telling you to
Shut up and dance!
Color a yarn and the crowds will gather
Noise
From a sunless world
Your mirror is black, only a copy stares back
At a slave of brave new world
Noise
To decoy the human voice
Brain insomniac, paranoiac
Endless noise
Please love me
See how I bleed
Please endure
I have such empathy in me
Hum, noise, hum
Beautifully numb
Tapping the quiet air
To have a meaning
By a carrion
Sad hologram
Lost in the maze
The real and human feel
Sunset is free
From this deity
The Earth has a real voice
Go out and get in
I will follow
Color a yarn and the crowds will gather
Noise
From a sunless world
Your mirror is black, only a copy stares back
At a slave of brave new world
Noise
To decoy the human voice
Brain insomniac, paranoiac
Endless noise
Feast your eyes on the black mirror
Feed the beast, join the gathering
Tell a tale
Feast of fears is drawing nearer
Feast your eyes on the black mirror
Feed the beast, join the gathering
Tell a tale
Feast of fears is drawing nearer
Beyond the human horizon
Something terrifying sleeps
Noise
From a sunless world
Your mirror is black, only a copy stares back
At a slave of brave new world
Noise
To decoy the human voice
Brain insomniac, paranoiac
Endless noise
Endless noise
Endless noise
at last, been waiting for this reaction...
Wolfkain... hearing You speak like that is making me think "wow... when did I do this video? Why am I sitting there talking... oh... I'm not." You are saying exactly the same thing that I have trying to say to my kids and everyone that wants to listen to me. Thanks for Your honest and open reactions.
Man Woman And God...Was What I first heard. but I've also Heard that It Just Means Human Nature.
First time you folks heard Floor sing on a studio song by Nightwish? Not listened to (or bought) the 2015 album "Endless Forms Most Beautiful"? Just heard it live?
I imagine there are plenty of religious people out there that do understand the brain and appreciate the Earth, but the crazies are always the loudest and give you a false view of what a person believes; ( doesn't have to be faith, it can be any idea ) which is kind of what I think of when I see Floor with the cheerleader thing. It's like when I tell someone I love symphonic metal. They are always surprised because I don't look metal in the slightest and have a pretty heavy country voice ( at least when I'm talking. There is often more surprise when I start singing hehe )
Blind reaction here as well. The video itself is really thought provoking that does have a deep meaning behind every scene. Really enjoy this reaction too. Love ya sistah!!
Can't wait to see it live.
Wolf's missing it but Sistah's getting it. There's nothing "simple" about this video, and there is so much "deeper" meaning to it. It is LOADED with symbolism and metaphors for the social stigmas that plague us every day now. It's not just the phones. There is so SO much more in this video, but the phone is the most commonly used "tool" of the problem, the "black mirror" of the song.
They said it’s a follow up to endless forms most beautiful so I’m excited to see where it goes
Thanks to Nightwish for this poignant video! And thanks to you both for another excellent reaction video!
Yes, Wolf, it's nice to have the option to be online or off. As you noted, you (and I) are of an age where we remember the age BC (Before Cellphones). But the younger gens do not and it is sad to see the level of addiction around me. They sit in a restaurant and do not speak to each other. They lack the ability to socialize with each other. They can't have a conversation. And it will get worse as time goes on and the BC generations die out. The irony, in my view, is that the more connected we become the more isolated we become. Future generations will be faced with an ever increasing level of loneliness and NOISE!
Ok...here is a breakdown for you on just how deep this song REALLY is. Most of this was done by someone else (Venomous Tongue). The last bit is my contribution though.
"King Troy" is wearing a crown made out of cranes, an oil rig etc…symbolizing these concerns ruling over us all. He is wearing golden plateau shoes, which symbolizes that his status and height are only built on his money, later he stands up from a “Throne” (Toilet)…well that speaks from his self.
The people with the phones including Kai and Emppu are barefoot and hooded, like medieval monks, which symbolizes that their social media is like a religion for them, placing more importance on their phones and social media than a timeless work of art (the Mona Lisa) which is right in front of their faces. But seemingly at random it backfires and one of them gets singled out (Emppu) for having a "different opinion", at which point another takes a selfie while the assault happens to represent a disconnect towards helping someone vs glamorizing it (Kai).
Floor is wearing a cage skirt and trapping "Baby Floor" in symbolizing the overprotective parents who "abuse" their children to accomplish that in life what they themselves wished for but couldn’t accomplish.
Marco is a salesman from the Big Pharma Industries selling us pills that do nothing for us but feed their greed, and in the end, get angry and depressed over it.
The blond girl (Jessica Eckström) symbolizes the youth and beauty craze, and the lengths that some will go to in order to maintain that beauty so they can maintain what they perceive is a high social standing within social media.
Tuomas has the role of an eco-activist who demonstrates to protect nature as a “good person” should do, but in his private bathroom, he bathes very happily in the polluted water with his rubber duck doing nothing of that what he posted in the media.
The newborn baby, in the beginning, is strapped into a TV Helmet and tied to a rock slab forcibly being indoctrinated and covered by the social media noise for his entire life (as we see when the tv on the head of the old man goes black and he dies) while the natural world dawns in another beautiful and peaceful sunrise.
A few additional points also that no one else seems to pick up on that I did...
1. There are six tables with humans strapped to "TV Helmets" at the end...and Nightwish is a six-member band...1 band member per table.
2. In most videos and songs where age or growth is concerned, Tuomas is usually the one depicted as the one being focused on. (The end of Dark Passion Play, the character of "Tom" in the Imaginaerum film, etc...), so it would not surprise me at all if Tuomas was the baby at the beginning who was the old man on the table at the end.
The symbols are the earliest known markings to mean "Human" and "Nature".
Easier for me, I love Nightwish and Pink Floyd.
When I was twelve I became secular. Decades later I still adore that knowledge.
Every time I hear new music by Nightwish, At first I mostly don’t like it at all. It has to grow on me and then I like it a lot.
I just want to point out that you both mentioned this being Floor's first studio album with Nightwish...while one of her studio songs is playing in the background. 😁
Everyone misunderstood what I was saying, up to that point, everything we heard from her was live. The song in the background was an instrumental. When people make requests, it's always for the live versions. Funny thing is, I'm starting to think she's better live so I can't really blame them 🤷🏼♂️
The shot in this video that speaks volumes to me is when the people are on their phones, sitting in front of the Mona Lisa.
Floor already did an album. Endless forms most beautiful. This is a double album. Tuomas said they left the orchestra off the first disk. The orchestra is on the instrumental second disk.
Song of Myself, Ghost River, Romanticide from Wacken live are heavier and you would definitely enjoy Sistah. Cheers guys.
The topic of the song and the beginning of the video remind me a lot of the video of the song XXI century blood by The Warning.
NIGHTWISH and TOOL are 2 of the most epic bands that have ever existed!!!
I love you guys. The message is not to put our phones away or not enjoy technology, because technology is awesome.
The message is, to have balance. Especially the kids are absolutely hooked on their phone and games, but also young adults. Status is everything on the internet.
The blond girl was the symbol for instagram, to be the beautiful empty vessel who gets millions of followers and is letting our children think that you have to be like that, otherwise you are "ugly". I have three teen girls, trust me...this is real.
Enjoy life, take most out of it, with or without phone, but on't become addicted to the "likes" industry, the fake images we see of all the "perfect" families on Facebook.
Love from Holland, the country of Floor :D
The meaning of the song is very, very deep.
I mean even in the video. The white-haired girl is pretending to be a beaty and taking pictures of herself - yet later we see that her beauty is artificial. The guy pretending to be all green and stuff is literally bathing in oil (which is probably a metaphor for using gasoline engines, planes and ships to travel among other things). Marko is pretending to be strong and healthy thanks to those pills but we see that there's nothing in his flat but boxes. Floor is pretending to be a perfect mother but in reality she doesn't tend to her child, she's using the child as a tool to make herself look good on social media.
This song is not about social media or technology in itself. Gasoline engines are technology but electric engines are also technology. Coal power plants are technology but hydroelectric and thermonuclear power plants are also technology. The problem is what the people chose, how humanity is using the technology and social media. And this is IMO the whole point if the song. We are using it wrong. We allow social media and technology to turn us into "digital ghouls". But it's not technology's fault. It's OUR fault. This is our choice.
We limit ourselves to the info we can find online, disregarding what we see with our own eyes. We limit ourselves to the image we create online, disregarding who we really are. And this is what the song is about.
Even if there is this whole talk about fighting climate change, limits to CO2 and such - this is still nothing more than a lie. It has nothing to do with counteracting the global warming for real. It's still politicians lying to us and us allowing it to happen. Because let's be real here, our cities are still full of concrete and asphalt which speeds up the global warming. We still allow the amazonian jungle to become smaller and smaller. And it's not like putting limit on a small part of the greenhouse gasses in small part of the world will suddenly change everything. It's just one more lie we tell ourselves to feel better.
Hey, Half-Life Sistah and Wolf -- what is the video you show at the beginning?! I have found I want to watch it!
About Noise:
The way I see this is deeper than just the video -- it's the message behind the message, which is this:
We are putting ourselves, willingly, into the prison called "Virtual Panopticon." Jeremy Bentham, an 18th-century philosopher, envisioned a Panopticon where people's behaviors could be controlled. The Panopticon was described as a model prison where the guards could observe the prisoners unseen, and the prisoners, once they knew they were being watched, would automatically follow the rules.
The irony here is, its not a police state, a tyranny, or even a heavy-handed authoritarian state that is putting us in the Virtual Panopticon -- we are doing it to ourselves, by choice. We walk into the cell that they have laid out for us, and the kicker is, in the Virtual Panopticon, there is no need for locks to keep us imprisoned. What keeps us imprisoned is the platforms and sites themselves basically "cancelling" us if we do or say anything they don't like. Next, it will be the iteration of a world-wide social credit system -- why else do you think they are testing it out in China? By the time we realize what is happening, what is going on, it will be too late to speak out -- the only options will be to unplug and attempt survival on your own, or "shut up and dance" to the tune the system gives you -- i.e., toeing the line the Authorities in Power tell you to toe.
The biggest irony is, that while songs like this get made and distributed, it's never enough to make a difference -- and because of the addictive nature of our phones, and our narcissistic need for the approval of others, we will literally become so dumbed-down that we will go to sleep and wake up in the world of "Idiocracy." And I fear for humanity, and our world, should that long slide into darkness takes place.
Enjoyed the reaction immensely! Lots of nuance to the song. And your individual perceptions of it. You remind me of myself and my wife. I irritate her endlessly! Ha! The best part is that it’s all about the love. Intellectual/emotional perception in tandem. Sure makes life that much more interesting and enjoyable. Love to you both!
When I saw the first track was called "Music", I thought to myself: "How arrogant..." And then they delivered exactly that. Best album I've heard in decades.
The reaction starts at 7:45
...And Gary Oldman as Tuomas Holopainen!
My like is for the first video.... what a way with words. Love them.
Oh and I'm sure my like will be for your actual reaction too 😁😁😁
Hey Sistah and Wolf!
To answer your question the symbol :||: from the album title is from the Cuneiform writing system. It's about 4000 years old (around 3400 BC) and means "seperated" i.e the album refers to how humans have become seperated from nature and the world.
It's nice to think that the purpose of this album is to help people find their way back to humanity as well as find harmony with the planet and it's creatures.
I love you guys! I hope this comment finds you and finds you well! 😊
That song was manic mechanical 🙂
Not my cup of tea but musically interesting nonetheless.
I do agree on finding the balance on the use we have of the tools we create and everything else. A knife can be used to cook or kill. Words can be used to inspire or hurt. That's what we do of them that matters. For our home, the Earth, I hope as a species, we'll find a balance 🌱
Love upon you all ❤