ARE 250W EBIKES POWERFUL ENOUGH AROUND TOWN??!!
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For most people, it's enough, but this is where I hate such rules. Not everyone is normal and not every city is flat. I started of morbidly obese at beginning of 2020 and live in a very hilly city, when I started I needed all 750w to get up hills. Now lost 5 stone (only halfway) and get up the same hills using min setting which is around 80w and just placed an order for a new none ebike. Although diet has played a massive part, cycling to work every day has also been very important for the weight loss, and what I was doing was technically illegal. Same for disabled people, or people recovering from injury etc. Why limit power, they limit speed anyway(also to low, 20 or 25 would be more reasonable) and if they really wanted to limit acceleration.
Let alone their aim for co2 reduction, they should be pushing bikes, bike lanes and anything to make commuting to work by alternatives to car as easy as possible. This country is far to over regulated on some things.
Not for most people . Most people don't know much about them and will just buy what they've been told . I can almost guarantee you if they rode something with a bit more power they would change their mind .
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The legal limit is 250W continuous, there is no peak limit not peak duration limit. 750W for hills is not illegal
@@akbarramzan4159
Nobody cares anyhow. I've been riding my 500w M1 pro for thousands of miles now. So long as you arent tearing up the streets at 30 plus miles an hour on a noisy ebike scrambler or moped.
The average person and police see a bike with pedals and a chain. And they dismiss it. They dont know the REAL power. If you are smart you manage it sensibly and at the right times. And you will never have a problem. It's actually SAFER. To be able to accelerate at certain points in my commute.
Such as roundabouts. Forked roads. And traffic lights. Where being SLOW can actually be more dangerous. When you have traffic coming from several angles.
Besides fit road bike users can break 20mph easily on their bikes. You either have a SPEED LIMIT for bikes in general or you dont. SPEED IS SPEED.
@@fender1000100 I agree with l that but if you have an accident on that bike(even if it's not your fault) you would get zero compensation for injury as you were driving an illegal bike. This is my issue. I'd love a 1000w bike but I don't want to be injured and get nothing. Getting stopped by the feds doesn't concern me as I would be sensible and not draw attention to myself.
I'd say no after experiencing double the power. A quick getaway from traffic lights is much safer than possibly getting tangled with big vehicles at the same speed. 15mph is too slow for road as well. At a minimum 20mph, as that at least matches most urban speed limits. I sometimes feel the rules have been engineered to piss everyone off against cyclists.
May the force be with you
Beyond 20mph is basically a motorbike at that point meaning 52volt 750watt can easily do 30 to 40mph and maybe more
@Harrison Mayson all we care about here is hacking ebike speed limits not Instagram accounts
I agree with you if driving in a roadway.. For me i I would be driving in bike paths and parking lots when I go shopping
@@jonathanoxlade4252 than my road bike is a motorbike? Because I can cruise 30+ on the flats you fucking muppet
Here in Australia i went with a road legal 250w max assit speed 25kph. I was considering an 'off road' more powerful bike as more power couldn't be a bad thing. Using the 250w for the commute to work its 10k each way with a few hills and its more than I need. I get to work relatively sweat free and not out of breath, I'm 55 years old and do cycle non powered bikes too, up to 50k rides. The electric bike 250w gives a little work out, but not too much when your heading to work for the day.
25 kph? I am seriously considering buying on here in WA but want a bit faster than that ha ha
I am also. In WA, mates, thinking of a conversion kit for exactly the same purpose. I am going 64
What sort of ebike if I may?
How steep are those hills? I’m in QLD and I have 2 hills that might be a b..
@@borisgurevich5504 wait, on a 250w hub wheel ? 64? km ?
i see you made a typo yes 2500w is ok in the city lol
What do U mean 2500w ?
Yes 2500w is fitting for my emtb
Idk 2500 seems kinda low, not really going anywhere with that might as well walk
I think we should have the same ebikes the states and Canada have minimum 500W and 20mph and bought with a throttle straight from the shop.
100%, maybe an easy licensing system for the models over 20mph... like a three day course or something. Much more sensible option.
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I'd say the 250watt, 15mph limit is adequate for most purposes, but there are so many variations. I've just returned from holiday would have liked a battery with a longer range because in Holland I could manage 15mph all day. Back in the UK in hilly terrain, the tax and insurance that would go with a more powerful bike might be worth it. Whatever your needs, there's probably something to match it.
got myself a d4s and the missus a d2s these 250w bikes are perfect for driving around town, my wife uses her one daily to do like 5 mile round trips for her shop. D4S is unlockable to 20 mphs
I have used a 250w mountain bike for grocery shopping trips for about five years now, it pulls well, even when loaded with a massive amount of shopping (large panniers, stuff strapped on top of panniers, and large rucksack), and it pulls up hills even when loaded like this. I have to run the tyres at a low pressure to avoid broken spokes but have had no other problems. So my opinion: 250w bike is more than adequate.
At what distance?
If you buy a prebuilt bike, it will be peaking at much higher than 250W anyway
Nice to hear that @davidrobert2007 , I am thinking of buying the Radmission 1 which in EU it comes with 250w, instead of 500w due to the EU laws. I am thinking of buying it for grocery shopping as you stated too and ride to the beach, which is around 10km. I live on the top of a hill, but I think the distance to go to the top is like 30 to 70m, with variations between 3º~7º. So I think I will be doing okay with these kind of ebikes. Also, I don't mind pedaling, that's the purpose of the bike as well
@@itmm92 But EU law is about maximum nominal, not maximum peak. I wish I could upload images on UA-cam or else I would show you how many “250W” bikes with Bosch, Yamaha etc motors can pull well over 750W
@@akbarramzan4159 That would be nice, what kind of motors/ebikes do you recommend? could you suggest some? I am kinda lost with this, so many options and opinions. and most of the bikes are only online, it feels like it's just one shot..x)
Just found you on UA-cam. Like the video. If you live in the city then the 250w motor e-bike limit is probably acceptable. However try riding/commuting in the hilly countryside with a 30kg cargo e-bike then the motor limit sucks. Rather than restrict the motor power the restriction should be based on speed. Fortunately the Rad Power bike we have is supplied ‘restricted’ to 250w via the controller and stock display. The hub motor is actually a 500w unit. By swapping out the display and reprogramming the controller the bike is so much more usable and can climb hills with relative ease.
The city is where i need the most power actually as the roads are too narrow for cars to pass.
It's a double standard. We don't see cars restricted to engines that can only produce enough power for up to 70mph do we?
@@srspower to drive a car you must be over age, get a license, pay fees... would you rather have that to ride a more powerful bike? I personally would take power restrictions any day.
@@srspower lol. Double standards mentioned by poster after you are not bothering you i am guessing?😂
250w hub motors suffer a bit on loaded up hill climbs - they aren't designed for it, for those you need a mid drive, they take advantage of the bike's gearing. There is no limit to the steepness you can then tackle, they pull like a tractor. Not 25km/hr but still far faster than pushing.
I was in Paris on Monday and it was interesting.. There were lots of e-bikes and e-scooters.. The French laws are not as strict as the UK ones.. The new thing I noticed that there are more and more cycle lanes.. As a ball park figure I would say 40% of E users did not respect the traffic lights, the one way systems and many rode on the pavements.. Lots of machines were obviously doctored to go faster (not against that)... I would say that for the pedestrian, especially older persons and children the behaviour of E users was really depressing and frankly dangerous..
Born out of frustration no doubt but if the users don't make an effort it will lead to compulsory insurance and taxes, helmets, stop and checks etc..
So guys, everyone needs to think about this or the state will give us a hard time.. A bit of speed when you know its okay but keep it down in built up areas and try to follow the highway code..
Remember you are virtually silent and people can't hear you coming.. Do you really want to kill a child or smash up someone's gran?
The more videos I watch with e-bike content the more I realise it is rare for riders to properly follow the rules of the road. I'm less aware of how things are in the UK & Europe but in North America it seems most riders (bicycle riders too) ride like those rules don't apply to them. I can't honestly claim to always follow the rules but do feel I drive defensively and with respect for pedestrians & car drivers. Many riders seem to forget car drivers can't read your mind. I'm frequently seeing in videos behaviour from the e-bike riders that would scare the crap out of me if I was driving a car near them or walking/running on a path as they passed.
I ride 250w folding bike for urban commuting and already put more than 2500 km on it. I’ll say 250w is good enough for commuting around town. If you can get more power, then don’t be shy to get it, but if you only can get 250w, you don’t need to worry about lacking power at all. Even 250w makes you feel almost twice as powerful compared to you in normal average bicycle especially if you’re pedaling from stop.
I have owned both the Fiido D2 and D3S which are both 250W electric bikes. I used to ride them to work everyday for around 20 miles. They can pull fine and no problems but 500W with stronger battery is always the better choice. Watts need to be together with a decent battery as you would have same problems.
I commute easily with 36v@ 350w. I can't imagine practically needing more unless climbing serious hills. I'm about 105kgs loaded and top out at over 30kph.
After watching your vids built my first ebike 1500w 52 v plenty for my first one great fun..
You just can not beat that feeling of riding an ebike . I built a cube 29er with a 750watt bafang mid drive and it's awesome , I managed to build a 2440 watt 48v (50ah) pack that fits the triangle of the frame like a glove 👌 crazy range ....... Keep up the good work Andy 👍👍.
Makes my 17.5 Amp hour seem positively modest. Is that a heavy battery, like 12-15 kg?
@@TimpBizkit just under 16kg, brilliant for long range easy riding but not great for general thrashing off road . my new setup is a 17.5ah just like you and I find it perfect.
are you in America or the UK? I'm looking at decent conversion kits in the UK n I've got the same kind of bike, a 29er cube
Do you live in uk?....hope not😢....
@@CjDon02 sorry mate 6months late lol yeh UK
Here in Georgia we can have a 1000 watt but I build ebikes for a hobby and have used them all and a 250 watt is ok, but an up volted 250 watt is better. now if you are looking to use a front wheel hub motor the lower watt motor is safer and gets much better range in general. There are a lot of little things you want to think about when choosing an Ebike kit or purpose built. Power being the one thing that really depends. how will you use your bike in general? what will be the terrain you will be riding in for the most part, street and trail, commute...Your weight and possible cargo weight. I like a 250 watt Mid drive for the best performance for the watt and front wheel planetary geared hub, because it is light, and offers no resistance from the motor because it is ratcheted like a free wheel sprocket so you can pedal your bike without the motor on and other than the added battery weight ride as if it were a normal bike. In both cases you can get good range with a high amp battery 20 plus ah. now if you are in a real hilly area you want to find something with more Umph! 750 watt is about one horse power the old 2 stroke mopeds were about the same and are the standard for most of the 48 states But again God Bless Georgia we got 1000 watts and no hill is an issue to me.
I have a 350w one. Not exactly street-legal where I live, but I decided for a little more grunt (some hilly areas around). And I can tell you with my 120kg weight, it can get up to 30-32kph on the flat, no problem, but the hills REALLY kill it. Any kind of moderately-steep incline, and it slows to a crawl. Which, with my delivery job, can be a pain, as I really need to pedal-up to get any kind of speed out of it. I'd say for a heavier person, 750w should be a minimum. Even 500 wouldn't really cut it, i think.
That being said, for a 60-65kg person, I have no doubt 250W is plenty. And again, I can make do with 350W (have been for 2 years now), but up the hill, you'll get your leg day's worth of workout, whether you want it or not. So as far as electric ASSIST goes, I'd say 350 is perfect for a recreational e-bike. As far as a COMMUTE vehicle goes - no. Not even close. 750 minimum.
My tencents worth; 250w is a good starting point for newbies to e-bikes. Gives you an initial feel for how something with more kick might behave and they do make good general purpose commuters.
For me though, 250w is *PI55 ANT* power. I like my e-bikes to have a bit of grunt to them, just like my 1900w AWD commuter does... although I intend to go for more power than that with my next high power build ;)
buy a motorbike then :)
@@JPVNG67 motorbikes are boring
Mine is 😄 I bought a 22amp 36/48 controller with the nice coloured "Julet" connectors, I run a 55v 13ah battery and it does me great and I'm 6'2" 17 stone solid brick wall 😄👍🙋That's over 1000w at full throttle and the motor loves it .
20 inch wheels are great for 250 watt hub motors I have a 200w one on a fold up bike and it is fine cruises at 12.5 mph on the PAS and 15mph on the thumb throttle. After a lot of use the front forks are starting to suffer rebounds almost non existent but the motor is still fine. Not a bike you would use in a hurry but the smaller wheels seem to help the hub motor a lot. As for range a 36v 15ah silverfish. Gives me a good 35 mile range. My bum usually gives up before the battery. 4000miles n counting. Thanks for all you have done for ebike builders you do inspire I have built 3 from kits and rebuilt one love the vids.
I have 2 wheel drive bike 2 x 250 watt motors, and 60v batteries pulls away from lights etc great and does around 25mph I'm 19 stone.
I have a 1kw kit and use it limited to 250 quite often. I rarely find the speed to be an issue but agree that 20mph would certainly be safer on road. I find myself at 11mph almost all the time.
I do agree with others that the extra torque off the line is much safer for crossing roads & generally evading danger though.
I don't see the problem with unlimited power if it's speed limited. 250w won't pull a big lad up a hill on it's own.
Funny thing is the big lad can go down the hill at 50mph
250w is enough power for sure but the 15mph restriction needs to go up to 20mph.
It's not asking too much.
It's really not... and the motor power is irrelevant if a low speed limit is implemented... 1000w restricted to 20mph for roads and speed unlocked offroad is cool
@@hasan_z
Most 250w ebikes can unlock to at least 18mph. Which is a beautiful speed. I unlocked my HITWAY for that speed. And it's perfect. Climbs hills very easily. Steep ones with a little pedal assist. Speed never drops under 6 mph.
What about people with lots of weight, wind and hills.... and potentially an injury or disability? We just supposed to forget it? Cause 250w definitely isn't enough then.
I have a littlefolding bike too that put a Bafang 250w hub kit on. Surprisingly nippy👍
i live in southern Arizona ! i commuter 10 miles round trip daily.. headwinds here are up to 17-20 mph and lots of slight hills. i think a 500-750 watt electric bike would be perfect for me
I share your views, hopefully the scooters become legal soon, I live in Bristol and it’s perfectly legal to drive them everywhere when you RENT them. So what gives...🧐
If you purchase a scooter you pay tax once on the price ie the business selling it pays once. If you hire a bike tax is collected on each hire payment.
Government figuring a way they can tax them and demand insurance the scooters. Can't have people move around without getting a slice.
You will own nothing, and you will be happy. That's the agenda.
I want a 250w folding ebike with high torque, front and rear suspension, rear rack, 20" fat tyre wheels, hydraulic brakes, wide handlebar (or replaceable) can handle up to 300lbs and is not so short that it looks like a unicycle. I know its an impossible ask. Maybe I could modify a 250w base model.
What kind of bike was the other one in the shed next to the scooter??
Personally I have had one experience for 5 minutes of an ebike and I loved it. Don’t know the brand but it was a 250w motor and it was just ok. I say this because I live in Huddersfield, Yorkshire and we have hills here that our American cousins call mountains.
I am in my late 50s and struggle to walk up the hills so an ebike would be brilliant for me. I am hoping to get a 1000w bike that can be derestricted to 250w’s for road use. Ezebikes UK have one that looks interesting and is reasonably priced.
So basically my argument is if you live somewhere that’s relatively flat, like Andy Kirby, a 250w bike probably would be sufficient, but if you live somewhere like where I am, you need something with a bit more powerful. Peace x
Huddersfield is nearly the UK equivalent of San Francisco!!
Never been to the Rockies.
@@ghz24That John Denver's full of shit man!
@@Comewithmeifuwant2live No the op is full of shit.
Mountains in england are barely over foothills.
At age twelve I climbed mount Timpanogos
4 times higher than the highest "mountain" in England (by sea level) and three times the prominence.
In reality he has it completely backwards England has "mountains"we would call hills.
And the area he states he lives in looks more flat, even states we make fun of as flat as a pancake have hills bigger than I see on maps of his area.
Not that I care but what did Johnny say?
@@ghz24 ua-cam.com/video/GV3E5e7fZ6M/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JimCarrey
Just a joke, dude!
Here in UK, which do you prefer riding, pedal assist electric bike or scooter for a 30 miles every. day move around?
A crucial question = can it hit 25 kmh in a reasonable UPHILL road ?
I have a 250W as that is the legal max in my country, and it handles most hills at 20-25 with minimal effort. A bigger hill I prefer to go a bit slower in a lower gear but 95% of the time (outside of extreme gradients) it chugs up no problems
I've got a 500W fat bike on order. Think it'll do about 20mph with pedal assist. Getting it more for trails than roads but I'll still do some road riding.
500w minimum lol. my ebay esc runs at 750w in limited mode which is how I usually go. It will choke going up very steep hills, I doubt it would be much useful in somewhere like Wales. I rarely use the full 1500w mode as it shortens range and only have a 20 ah battery ( still quite expensive though ).
I have a heated shirt similar to those gloves. On the default mode it starts on red (high), after a few minute it goes to white (medium) and then blue (low) when it's low battery. You can also cycle through the modes manually if you want it to stay on high but it shortens battery life considerably.
It is supposed to be you have to register the Scooter/bike with DVLA you then have to get a Sort of MOT and Public Liability insurance and the Most important part you Must have a Current CBT Certificate and you can only use them on road no Cycling lanes or parks.
What’s the best ebike you could recommend
For someone on a budget
the one hes riding
Hi ya m8 have a look at a SAMEBIKE 500w .. I Bought a new one off EBAY for £746 ordered on a Thursday night from a seller in Lithuania and was on my door step on the Monday morning .. I was on a budget to and this is my first ebike and after using it for a few months cannit fault it for the money ..
7:53 I have a generic BMS on my ebike, is that why my sw900 screen shows voltage rather than actual battery %?
my first e-bike was a fiido D2 that's what got me into e-bikes plus watching your creations can't wait for your next video.
My ebike motor is on the way (terrified about the import taxes) its a 5000w 3.5T 26" motor accompanied with 100A sabvoton controller and a 20s5p battery (manual balancing) using 25r 2500mah cells (5s x 4 setup) - I can't wait (I hope there's no fires lol)
Andy, have you done any testing with Active or passive battery cooling to improve performance or range?
No but interested in that
@@andykirby I wonder if it might help battery logevity as well, great channel btw
I have two e-bikes one is 250 w front wheel drive Voilmart tied up to a 36 10ah battery the other is a 200 w rear wheel drive un named just 200w 36 volt both bikes have 36v 10 ah batteries . both home built . the only problem I have is soft ground or soggy grass both perform good on roads and hard pack and get me quite away with no problems .
I’m going with ebike kit 250 watt Hilltopper and I still want to get a workout just sometimes it’s a matter of commute time and I’m just a little too tired to put in the max effort
the gloves turn white when its gets to a certain temperature so they dont overheat, you turning it on and off is just resetting it
They are shite . I live in a hilly area and they are just not enough and are too heavy . 500W plus is where it's at . I still get tailgated and exiting a roundabout is slow af .
I remember that bike, good to see its still in yours hands mate.
Can you ride a bike with a 1000w battery and just have it set to peddle assist on the display only
*The form factor of that eScooter is awesome but it's too slow to be practical.* Ridiculously high price fpr it.
Still a huge positive as a concept. If they make it a bit faster and get the price down a bit, it is the future, so portable.
I couldn't imagine having only 250 watts of power on my bike. I live in a very bustling city, and the ebike I ride around with has 500 watts, and I barely feel like that's enough to hang with the cars. Sometimes being too slow is a safety issue, so depending on where you live, more speed and power is definitely appreciated.
Its illegal in the UK to go more that 25km an hour on an ebike. So theres no hanging with cars. You go at your own pace. Although I get 18mph out of my HITWAY. And that's enough in the city. Which is all stop and start.
Try a bbshd 1000w 48v tops at 50mph
It might be illegal in the UK
But just get a 250w 36v stickers in case you are asked whats in it.
I have a BBSHD 1500w 52v and it tops out at 50 kmh not mph
I think 50 mph would be pushing it unless you have a top of the line time trial bike and skin tight clothing and aero bars to install it on. Pro trackies can get into the mid 40s in the velodrome. On a flat bar MTB with the aerodynamics of a shed, and leathers, not a chance. I've gotten 42 out of the BBS02B on a Scott Voltage MX3 with me assisting A LOT.
We have the same 250w rule in Australia (NSW) - it used to be 200w max!
Hi what are these like for heavier riders I'm thinking of getting my first ebike but I'm a big chap
Hi which bike did you go around town on please
Details please of that slim scooter that you were shown and the shop that is selling them. I'm interested in buying one.
How far unassisted on a full charge on the bike? I like ebikes but want to know the range. Do they make them solar panel rechargeable?
i heard they barely go 25km/h...or are limited to that even in pedal assisted mode or something and honestly it feels too little seeing that people can cycle at 30-45km/h on regular cheap road bikes
If u can go 30/h that easily just drive normal bike:)
Its not really about speed, its about linear force of the wheel in combination of your weight, if you live in a flat town its not problem but where i live the average climb is 7% if you use a 40nm torque motor with a 29 inch wheel you for a guy like me 90kg you will eventually burn out the motor or the controller. The only way i have a decent high torque motor in a 29 inch bike for me its a middle drive bikes, but then i deal with high maintenance. I have opted for a 1000w (84nm) geared motor to use in the last 2 years, it does not waste energy like a gearless motor, it does provide enough torque to be efficient in climbs with high weight and its the best overall. When i opened to check after around 50 000 km its was like new.
I work with delivery in the last 3 years, i average 100km a day. sometimes carrying 30kg. A 500 w (58nm) motor burned up 2 controllers, A 350w (about 45nm) motor burned up the coils, and a bafang motor chew gears like there is no tomorrow and in case of gear failure you are stuck on the street cant use the throttle.
So besides what the laws in you country says, (350w for us) that is actually meaningless on the engineer side of things.
I'd love to have that one at 1500 watts with the back shock maybe even 2000 Watts can't afford it though I'm saving up for 1500 watt
Buy a motorbike. It would be cheaper and will go better. A learner legal 125 has 7500 watts and can ride at 55 / 60 mph. Granted it will last a lot longer at 50mph all day, but you would only pay less than a thousand quid for an older one with about 8000 miles on it. I have a 15000 watt (20 hp) 250 cc Honda that I bought for £650. It is immaculate, twenty years old and had only 10500 miles on it when I bought it. It does 80 miles to the gallon. I'm looking at not that great ebikes online and they cost £2k and £3k!!!
Turbo on my rail 5 can get me up any hill, but a 15.5mph assist limit is not enough for town use. 20 would be more practical
Another great video, hopefully when the weather gets better,I'm out on my ebike,that I built from your kit,most excellent.
great to see you back and sounding positive. any chance of a video on the cheapest DIY e bike possible that just does the job and don't break the bank I had planned to build a bike like your monster last year but times are heard and I'm not spending anything on my self my kids come first Christmas was hard but the kids are happy
I live in a mountain area and about 1500w with geared pedaling gets me up the worst
The scooters are ideal to get to a station hop on a train the use at he other end. Unfortunately our local trains have banned them due to battery fire risk in the carriage.
They have to be useable in hilly areas, I'd say 500 - 1000 watts would be more reasonable with maybe a 25mph restriction?
Depends on the bike. My HITWAY BK3 can cruise up most hills at least 10mph. With some pedal assist over 12mph.
@@fender1000100 I live in a hilly area with some of the steepest sections of road in the UK. My friends got a 1000w and his Mrs has got a 250w. Unsure of the brand's but there decent bikes. On the road on the steeper hills the 250w is down to 8 mph with pedal assist where the 1000w will hold 18mph with pedal assist. I just think the 250w restriction is very limiting in terms of what you can get out of the bike as well as safety on the road. A 1000w bike can do 30mph and keep up with traffic. I can't tell you how different my friend felt in regards to safety being able to keep up with the cars in front of him in traffic, everytime a cyclist is overtaken it creates risk that the manouver will go wrong and a collision will take place.
Andy, that mini fat bike you were riding in this video has the same controller on the bars as my Petrigo commuter bike, is it programmable? I would like to have a play around with the settings, but I have not yet managed to trigger them.. Any info would be appreciated, it controls a rear hub 350w motor.
Thanks in advance
Karl
I have the m1 myself having moved from motorcycles and I can honestly say its enough power for me . the difference between this and say a non ebike is night and day. don't have to worry about hill wind or sweat what's not to love just hope it proves reliable because no electric know how lol.
Anyway after experiencing mid drive Bosch bike for a month (not even the latest gen, gen 3 with 65nm torque): *Not every 250w is created equal.* 250w hub is a POS. That is only good for flat ground, on any hill it will just crawl as it has no torque. And on anything steepish, it'll stall. Now, 250w mid drive with good gearing (the bike I rented has a relatively small front cog, and plenty of gear range to the rear), will get you up ANY hill without issue. Keeping it in low gears, I was basically flying up even moderate-sized hills in Turbo mode, reaching the speed cut-off at 25kph. And on the flat, you can still get good speed in lower modes, and get quite a bit more range out of the battery then comparable 250w hubs. Torque-sensing is much more efficient.
So my take on it now - if you plan to be 'legal' and limit yourself to 250w - go for a factory-made 250w mid drive (not necessarily Bosch, though I think they make the best ones). It's a LOT faster and more capable then cheap 250w DIY hubs. If you don't - go wild. As power ratings increase, the difference between hub and mid drive decreases.
It’s not enough power at all! 1000 watts is the minimum you need for hills. I have the same gloves and you need to leave them pulsing for 5 mins to warm up until a solid white light appears. That is the low setting, press again for blue (medium) then again for red (high). I hope that helps.
I want to make my bike with 1000 w or 1500 W. I can go with my bike 30 km/h , I want to fell the speed like on the motorcycle. And like this I can go between city 30 km distance. If I build one with 1500 W I could get a speed of 75km / h?! Am I right? I already try an e-motorcycle that goes 65 km/h and feels so good.
Liitokala is so good I agree.
I've ordered 130 x Lii-50E for my stealth build. Taking ages to come
I have found 250 watt hubs pretty gutless if i don't pedal but fine if i do. I mean ive ridden around fine with 0 extra watts as my legs are pretty pokey, riding a Giant Yukon around Bath like an s pedelec with no motor. Mid drives i prefer with that low power.
Do you need license for this ebike 20 years old asking
Andy, what did you think to the gloves?
Good video, good tunes, look forward to your review of the car because my father has recently got the Seat Leon Sport FR I believe it's virtually the same as the Audi but without the electric.
Another great video Andy. Thanks and love the music!
I'm in the US in Northern Colorado and scooters have really caught on. So far it has been pretty good for the college kids. I'm all for them if everyone keeps safety in mind.
Thing is how would the police know if the bike is 500w? Iv never been pulled
Did you hold the brake and trottle and turn it on all at the same time to get Error 4 it goes 10kmh faster, I like the M1 thinking of the m1pro tho 🤑
keep in mind that this is a fat tire bike so that will make a difference with what kind of motor and how powerful it should be compared to a lighter bike with smaller profile
Honestly I think it's more about how the bike is configured. But 250w is just too low. In my locale, the limit is 500 and when I use a 42v pack but the output is limited to 500, I can't get up most hills. And I only weigh 152lbs. Granted that's if I'm not pedalling and I think the rules were made with the idea that you have to be pedaling
Can someone advice me on a great off the shelf e-bike please? I don't have time for another 'hobby' just want something off the shelf which is good for both on / off road. Thanks in advance if anyone can help?
I'm looking for a 250watt mid-drive electric bike,need to hurry and choose one incase I need to order it, don't know what motor to choose? 👍🚴
What bike do you have?
Do those heated gloves warm the fingers?
How tall are you Andy, you look tall. I'm 6'6' wondering if a folding bike would work well for me.
I have cycled down hill at 35 mph and also rode on the flat at 20 mph a its within the law but e scooter and e bikes cant go above 15.5 mph.
What type of ebike is it please?
750w with 120nm is my sweet spot :)
Agreed. Wish we had the US laws in the UK!
whats it like uphill with luggage?
My ebike is 350watt. Where I live has lots of hills of different grades and length. My ebike is sufficient for me when commuting to work, or to stores closest to. However I think up to 750watt would be helpful not only where I live, but any other parts of the country (NZ)
I have a 250w motor and I'm using a 36/48v 22amp controller from ebay £30 with a 55v 13ah battery so that's over 1000 watts full throttle, I love it
I think 250W is enough, although I think some motors are rated conservative 500W with pedal assist speed limited should be OK on Cycle paths, anything higher or without pedal activation should be regulated as a moped or Motorcycle, and ridden on the road (which likely mean bump up to 1-5KW to keep up with traffic). there should be exemptions made for mobility support WRT peddle assist and power allowed on pedestrian and cycleways, If you are big person, not contributing effort with some luggage going up a steep hill, bit more HP is needed.
is it just my 250w that doesnt struggle on hills???
Great video mate, never understood why they limit the power on ebikes, sure limit the top speed and limit the acceleration but why limit the power? makes no sense, if you are a heavier rider you will need maybe 1.5 to 2kw to pull you up a steep hill with no assist, I know as I have been making and riding ebikes for over 20 years now, crikey thats mad! in fact one of the guys I used to chat with back in the days of the power assist forum was JB Straubel who was second to Elon Musk at Tesla, maybe I should have taken his advice on shares ha ha and I was name checked way back by Justin from Grin and Eric from Luna cycles, I was putting out ebike videos on Google Video way way back, one with my electric KMX trike in had 3/4 million views!! great to see you back making videos again.
I don't see the need for a power limit. What's the difference between 250w limited to 25kph and 5000w limited to 25kph? Just that the 5000w will get to 25k very quickly and climb steep hills at 25kph.
Can someone help me here please? I'm a fit 31 year old, only weigh about 75kg, and will usually cycle to the town centre rather than faff about woth parking since its only about 2 miles. Trouble I have is I live on a big hill, which is about 60m higher than town and a fairly steep elevation. I'll cycle up it when I can be bothered but am usually blowing by the time I get to the top and hava decent sweat on, so I usually just push the bike. So my question is, is it likely that with peddle assist I could get up that hill, without sweating, with a 250W motor, or do i at least want 500W?
Hi, Yes 250W will be fine, try and go for a mid drive motor as they have more torque becuase you can use the gears as its effectively adding power to the pedals and then driving the rear wheel throught the chain, these are a bit more expensive than hub motor bikes where the motor is in the rear wheel. Both will make a massive difference to you though. 😁👍🏼 I have a nice 250W bike for sale if you are anywhere near Hertfordshire 😁 you can email me at andy@cloudsto.com
I don't think so I'd say anything from 750w-1000, I don't think it's a case of wattage either it's the volts I'd say maybe a maximum of 48v
Andy my widow maker ebike uses 18 x 3.0 inch rear n 24 x 3.0 inch front tyres... are an absolute nightmare to find ! I bought 18inch long tyre levers from screwfix, need the leverage with the 18inch tyres bigtime believe me coz it's a motorbike tyre...extra thick rubber construction. Rear hub motors weigh a ton, another nightmare changing tyres..if I turn my bike upside down for some reason I loose the hydraulic brakes, but no oil leaks out anywhere.... haven't sussed that out yet. Great vid btw....god bless
From 3 different channels I see that a 250 watt motor is adequate for me but the conversion kits are the same price as a 48 volt conversion kit.
A small battery like a battery powered electric drill battery and a small controller is appealing to me . I'm in the United States
Im dying to see a review on the kugoo kirin b2...looks powerfull
I've been using a 250w subscription ebike for the last month and started a daily 45km commute with it last week. The bike is trash for various reasons but to be honest I don't find the (lack of) power to be a huge problem, Holland doesn't have enough hills and the few bridges I cross are handled pretty easily. I was set on getting a custom built 750-1000w bike that can get to 45-50kph but now I'm considering my original choice of a 250w bike since that will at least have a warranty just in case.
What company did you go with for your subscription bike??
Do u need a car or bike license for this ebike