Hawkeye (Season 1) - Spoiler Review!
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Clint Barton and Kate Bishop have wrapped up their first season on Disney+. Did Hawkeye hit its mark and where does it rank with the other MCU shows? I give my thoughts in this spoiler review!
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I've gotta say, this was probably the show I was least interested in when it was first announced, but it ended up being my favorite of the bunch so far. Though I do agree, I really wish Jack's whole red herring story was resolved earlier, because he was so fun to watch in that finale and I want more of that.
I predict that Jacknis a major player in the second and third season of Hawkeye, with Clint fading out as mentor and Jack replacing him in that function.
Same here
I liked this show more than the others, might even give it a rewatch eventually. I think the Kingpin bit was rushed but given Echo is getting her own show he's bound to return as that's most of her conflict and antagonist.
I havent seen the show, in your opinion would you say Echo is worthy of a series? Is her character that interesting?
@@sargentocapitao9668 There's a good foundation there but at the moment I'd say no. Between her not having her comic book powers, at least so far, and also us not knowing if she got rid of the biggest motivator her story had its hard to think at the moment she deserves one.
That said I did like her character and the actress playing her. If that stuff mentioned was handled with care I'd be interested.
@@mercurialfunk When the actress was hired for Maya, I don't believe at that time they had any definite plans to push through an "Echo" series. However during production I think they were so impressed with her natural charisma in the role, that is when they decided to move forward. Certainly the story in "Echo" will need to be good but if they don't try to do too much with it, I think it can be pretty good.
Yes, they decided to give Echo her own show during the production of _Hawkeye._ I enjoyed Maya in this, and I'm interested to see where they take her. At this point, though, it seems like the relationship arcs tied to her motivation have come to a conclusion.
I think the Kingpin bit was rushed because I don’t think they had the rights 100% when they started production. And once they did, they inserted him in
The thing with the LARPers at the end getting into costume is something I read differently. They're trying to direct people to safety dressed as waitstaff. If they were in uniform (police or firefighter) people would have paid more attention to them and follow their direction. By switching to their LARP costumes they now present as super-heroes and people were more likely to follow their lead. It made sense to me in the narrative, not just as a comedy beat.
I thought the same while watching. That they were trying to look more like superheroes.
Same. So much so that I actually expected them to have their own outfits more like Kate or Clint, but it made more sense for it to be their LARP outfits
I think also one more point they wanted to make with them is how much Hawkeye inspires people. They weren't there just for comedic purposes.
I don't know... it felt like a diss to officers and fire fighters who act heroicly every week. Is the message of the show that you have to play make believe to be a hero? That's a downer of a message
@@sivad1025 I wouldn't necessarily take that message from the episode. Their involvement in the plan to begin with already speaks to their heroism. You can puzzle over why they brought their costumes as a wardrobe change instead of their work uniforms, but it wouldn't be a shock to find out that first responders in the MCU idolize superheroes. You could explain it as them having a LARP session before the party that evening and just happened to have their costumes on them.
I did love the show, overall. You can call it safe, but I think that’s essentially what it was going for to begin with. The show feels like a Christmas present to Hawkeye fans. No matter how much of a statement I thought it might be for Kingpin to personally retire Clint by offing him, I knew he needed to get home for Christmas in this kind of gig.
Also, potential spoilers? Comic spoilers? Maya/Echo shoots Kingpin in the face in a similar fashion in the comics. He comes back blinded with tape all over his face. That could work as a “behind the scenes” villain for Echo Season 1 or even the Post Credits if she moves onto something else for the majority of the season.
For me, a microcosm of the series' problems was in the final 3-4 fights scene happening concurrently: Kate vs kingpin, clint vs yelena, maya vs kazi, maya vs kingpin. Just so much having to be resolved so quickly. I agree that it would've helped to bring in yelena or kingpin early. Personally would've liked yelena to come in episode 2-4, have that resolved and her run off, and the tracksuit stuff still happen, but only reveal at the end of the finale that the mastermind was kingpin all along
All of the MCU Disney+ shows have had this problem with their finales: RUSHED and too much going on
Ending fight kinda bothered me too, really stretches credibility. KO or kill like 30 dudes with a bunch of trick arrows, felt like Power Rangers. If Yelena was helping it would have felt more realistic.
I think it could've at least had one more episode to wrap things up better, but overall, I really enjoyed it.
Kate is so good.
I'm annoyed I don't know when she's appearing next, and need it to be ASAP
Why does this always happen to me?
I end up loving something and everyone else is eh about it!
Overall it was refreshingly low-key and character-based. And that final Kingpin scene was straight out of the comic!
@@bluepearl_22 I know it's just weird. I get all jazzed and then see thoughts online and go sigh.
You aren't the only one. It was a great series overall.
I really enjoyed it too, it was fun, light, filled with cool action scenes.
I like to watch Dans reviews , but I don't take his reviews seriously after his review on Luca. I almost didn't watch Luca because of his review, then I watched it and loved it.
You aren't alone. The great thing about the MCU is that it has something for everyone. I was pretty satisfied with the show. I mean, it might not have been as investing as Wandavision with its riddles, might not have had the system critical undertones of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, it might not have had the humour of Loki, but it had something, what the other shows lacked: A satisfying finale! (plus, I really want to meet all the characters again, there was not one person I didn't care about on some level).
I really liked the series, it’s my 2nd favorite of the shows so far
I feel like the thing about the twists being obvious is coupled with the one episode per week pattern. I binge-watched all six episodes in a row and did not expect Kingpin's reveal at all.
I watched it week to week and that Kingpin reveal went way over my head. :P And the Jack’s one too while we’re at it.
I didn't even remember who Kingpin was by the time the finale rolled around lol
I really liked Hawkeye, it was a fun show, especially the finale. I didn’t need it to be anything more than it was, but do feel like it hit some depths with Clint’s character and his closure with Black Widow, maybe more than you gave credit for. I do agree about Kingpin… it felt very comic book inspired, on one hand, and fun to bring him in and beat him up, but yeah, that all happened so quick, it almost feels like they did him dirty, and it didn’t seem to carry much consistency from his arc in Daredevil. I too thought that his underlings were a bunch of goons, moreso than in Daredevil for sure.
Really, really good outing. Fits the spirit of the season, Clint and Kate had fantastic chemistry and I was fully satisfied by everything I've seen. Good laughs and I can see where all of it can potentially branch out.
And we have Wilson Fisk now officially in the MCU! So much potential for future shows like She-Hulk, Secret Invasion and first and foremost: Echo's own show, where I think we'll see what really happened in that scene with her and Kingpin - and judging from the comics...oh yeah, I'm hyped!
I share pretty much the same feelings. Hawkeye was great, Kate was (surprisingly) great, the relationship between the too worked, Yelena was very entertaining, loved the overall tone of the show even though it could have been refined, Tony Dalton made the most of what he was given and then some, Kingpin needed more screentime.
It's my second favorite Disney+ show after WandaVision. It felt like a Lethal Weapon movie in the MCU. I loved it. My only gripe is the intercutting of the final fights in this finale felt oddly paced. I think it could have been edited better. Other than that, I loved it.
I very much want a Kate/Yelena team-up show or movie. I'd be on board with _Black Widow and Hawkeye_ .
Overall, I really liked Hawkeye, even though there were some issues. The storytelling was pretty messy at times because there were a bit too many threads and some of them didn't connect that well. Also, the editing in some scenes wasn't great for maintaining good flow and pacing. But I mostly overlooked these issues because I was having so much fun. I thought the characters were great, and it was so fun seeing them interact and seeing the partnership between the two Hawkeyes grow throughout the series. I don't think this was the best Marvel Disney+ series so far, but it is probably my favorite.
I love that they committed to the Christmas feel of the show because I was in need of some more Christmas spirit and the show delivered, but all of your criticisms of the show I felt were totally valid. If I had to rank the shows as personal favorites it would be Hawkeye, WandaVision, Loki, Falcon, and What If. I HIGHLY agree that Eternals should have been a show because that movie was so bloated. Great video!
I think this show was pretty lopsided overall, but I really bought into the LARPers and their part in the last episode. I appreciated how they'd set up the new outfits, but mostly it was a really nice callback to when Grills' wanting to pretend to be a hero, if only for a few minutes and as part of a fantasy. These guys stepped up when their guy needed them and they got to be the kind of heroes they dreamed of being. It's sentimentalist, I know, but it really works for me.
As to Maya, they've already announced the Echo series. I agree that there's no way Kingpin is dead and it wouldn't shock me to find he's the main antagonist of her series. Maybe they also have her interact with other Netflix heroes (Daredevil, Luke Cage, or Jessica Jones). DD has experience dealing with Kingpin, Luke Cage is set up as a player in the underground crime scene. Lots of possibilities. But I'm just speculating.
Boy, I love your analyses and you're a really cool person, but I honestly think I've disagreed with pretty much every major review from you this year, haha. Luca was great, Black Widow was pretty good, Eternals was amazing, In The Heights was eh, and Hawkeye was probably the most fun and lively Disney+ Marvel show. That's what makes us all human, though. We all have different tastes.
I love Hawkeye. It’s one of the best marvel show 👍👍
I spotted the reason for the cosplayers in the finale right away - panicked crowd won't pay attention to people in tuxes, what do they know. But people in costumes? They know whats going on.
I agree with a lot of this, but so much more of _Hawkeye_ worked than what didn't that it ended up as one of my favorites.
My main issue is that 6 episodes is not enough time for all of the plot threads to develop enough. I think the show made efficient use of its time, but I especially would like to see more of the relationships between characters.
And I cannot sanction the Tracksuit Mafia bros' buffoonery. With the exception of Maya and Kazi, the organization was too much of a joke. That undermined the Kingpin seeming like a real threat.
I really enjoyed Hawkeye. It was fun and they got me emotionally at the end. I want to know more about Hawkeye's wife now that we have that reveal. The only things that didn't work for me was rushing the Kingpin and Yelena storylines with Eleanor. I think they should have led up to those moments more. I wanted more Yelena too, but I get why they didn't use her as much. The Kingpin storyline will be continued in Echo, but it would have been nice for them to add that on in the end-credits instead of the corny musical again.
I loved it. Kate Bishop is my favorite of the new characters introduced this phase of MCU.
I agree with your review, my frustration came with I felt there were a lot of scenes were they were just hanging out, you have the “ticking clock” of getting home for Christmas but there was never a sense of urgency.
Dan is a pretty sharp dude. His reviews are thoughtful and incisive. His commentary on story are spot on and well thought out. He doesn't just do knee-jerk reactions like so many other reviewers.
Kingpin and Echo will be in ECHO, so I'm glad they didn't dive into that to much. Yelena will be back as well, They never diverted the attention away from Hawkeye and Bishop. People like crossovers in these but then get frustrated that they aren't a bigger story. I know that Coulson only had a walking the room part in Iron Man and not huge in Thor but but after numerous crossovers we felt his importance in Avengers. We need to really start enjoying and have fun with these shows and not focus on who is in it and what are they setting up. To focused on the next show than enjoying the one we are watching. Hawkeye was the most fun to watch out of the shows thus far, and really tightened up the infinity saga, and Natasha's character. After watching Black Widow a few times, I feel like it is more Yelenas movie to move forward then Natasha, which makes it seem right that it came out after Endgame
I agree with everything except for that of Black Widow, yes it works best when viewing it through Yelena’s eyes, but that makes it even more frustrating cuz Natasha is the central focus and she isn’t written right and has no engagement in the story, the plot only makes it worse cuz it’s such a deep topic and it’s not even touched upon right, you’d think Natasha would feel something deeply about it…but nope
So as far as Yelena is concerned, she’s far better written here as well, there’s clear motivation and she has a chance of better character development, cuz in Black Widow she’s making jokes all of the sudden halfway through her runtime after being subjected to mind control for many years….cuz that’s how trauma works
Almost every storyline was resolved in a couple of scenes, felt like the writers ran out of time to wrap all of them up. The watch didn’t have much of a role in the end, Jack was released right away, the mom was just arrested, the Yelena problem was solved by a whistle, Kazi was done in one go, even kingpin was dealt with a bang and a shot. The good thing is that the characters are still charismatic, and there’s a potential for a great season 2.
the show just felt so average in every aspect to me
1. I thought the Tracksuit buffoonishness were kinda fun, like a Home Alone type of secondary villain.
2. I like that the LARPers (despite being police and first responders) had to resort to wearing costumes like the Avengers or Asgardians just so people would take them seriously. Really speaks about the dissociation the everyday people in the MCU feel after aliens and multiversal attacks.
That’s a good point with Kingpin having the tracksuit mafia. Knowing how scary he can get when he doesn’t get what he wants, he definitely wouldn’t be ok with these dudes whose tagline is “trust a bro”
1- Wandavision
2- Hawkeye
3- Loki
4- What if..?
5- Falcon and the Winter Soldier
That's where I would rank the shows too... although I might have Loki and Hawkeye on equal footing.
same, how about movies for 2021?
My LIst:
1. Spider-Man: No Way Home
2. Eternals
3. Black Widow
4. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
@@johnvita1251
Spider-man
Shang-Chi
Black Widow
Eternals
I thought the 1st year of Marvel on the small screen was just kinda OK. Maybe similar to or slightly better than MCU phase 1. I enjoyed full storyline of Hawkeye and moments of Loki the most. But I really hope they learn from year 1 and improve going forward. How can you not enjoy the "Trust a Bro" moving crew? Those trucks were great comedy.
I really liked this show, even more than Wandavision. With the exception of the final episode, which is always weak in all these Marvel TV shows, it was a nice change, a street level Marvel show. The chemistry between Kate and Yelena, as well as Clint and Kate was great. It was fun and entertaining, i was waiting for the next episode to come up. That's all i want from these shows.
I enjoyed Hawkeye overall, but that last episode almost gave me whiplash with the switch between comedy/high-stakes/life & death combat (Pym arrow used to great effect again, though) and hey Kingpin- oh, it's over. I think the issue with Kingpin is he's never going to be as unhinged/violent as he was in the Netflix series - this is Disney after all - so no car-door beheading for anyone this time around, but that still leaves a lot of room for Vincent D to work with his character; barely-disguised contempt, bottled-up rage & a keen intelligence working in the background of all this. Good to see him back in canon & I hope we see a lot more of him in Echo. Loved the performances all-round, and agree the LARPers should have remained in the first couple of episodes.
I felt like 6 episodes wasn't very many but it didn't feel rushed either. I feel like all of the marvel shows were pretty safe and about as good as each other. loki and wandavision stick out the most (although ending of wv wasn't great). I loved some what ifs but others were mediocre
I really disagree with your take. The progression from the death of Armand to Ronin to Yelena made sense to me. Yes Kingpin was rushed, but the conflict with Maya wasn't with Kingpin, it was with Ronin and eventually her cousin Kazi. This show redeemed Hawkeye for me as a character, Jeremy Renner really knocked it out of the park. I loved that the tracksuits were cartoony and the LARP gang showed us how the rest of the world feels about superheroes. I was shocked that her mom was the villain, and didn't know that Kingpin would be in the show, those were really well done reveals for me. And finally the action was actually really good! IMO this was the only good MCU show. WandaVision had a bad ending, Loki was disappointing, and Falcon should have been a movie like you said. I didn't even watch What If. After a year of dislikeing everything the MCU has put out, both Spider-Man and Hawkeye have shown me they can still pull off good storytelling. I'm glad I'm liking them again and sad you didn't like this show.
I am glad you liked it! But I find it really hard to think of this as one of best Marvel Products this year. I think I would even put it under Black Widow. And I am not GREAT at figuring out the real villain, and I assumed it was her mom since it was the obvious take, so yeah, if I can do it I believe it's preety bad storytelling
I didn't mind the comedy and the aimed at kids nature of this series giving that it was clearly intended to be a Christmas show for kids to watch with parents.
I liked it a lot, but not more than Loki. I enjoyed the street level stakes.
My ranking is based on re-watchability.
1- Loki
2- Hawkeye
3- WandaVision
4- What If
5- Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Love your thoughts yet expanding on the other characters takes away from Hawkeyes emotional journey in the show. Episodes 1-2 are setting up Clint’s impact on others as Hawkeye & Ronin…he’s famous & infamous. Episodes 3-4 setup how his choices impacted others…Maya & Nat. While episodes 5-6 closed the loop to show that he accepted what he’s done and is looking to make amends…again Maya & Nat/Yalena. Kingpin is the mcguffin setting up a larger universe as these shows do at the end.
All in its a solid journey for Clint to understand and accept what he’s done to gain closure & hand the Hawkeye name off to Kate
I agree with you on basically every point here, the whole Kingpin arc felt super rushed in especially and, as someone with no background on the character, that meant he didn't have any of the gravitas which I presume he should.
Really enjoyed the character interactions between our trio but even our Jelena conclusion felt kind of forced, restricted to the one short scene we got.
I have to say that Jack was probably the standout character of the show for me though, I wasn't sure if he was actually involved or not up until the 5th episode (unlike Elanor who I figured was the culprit very early) and the whole fun-loving, slightly out of touch, aristocrat that just wanted to stab some bad guys really worked for me along with him have 2 of the best lines in the show.
If I personally ranked the Disney+ Marvel series this year, here's my what I would say (from least favorite to favorite):
(Note: I personally enjoyed all but one of these shows, so even if I'm a little harsh on them at times, I still loved 4 out of the 5. Also, spoilers for all ahead)
5. What If?: This show had some stand-out episodes, but I a lot of it felt weak to me personally. They didn't go all out on the weird promises that the trailer for the show and the comics it's based on give me, and some of the writing in some episodes felt weak too.
4. Falcon and the Winter Soldier: I thought that this show did a great job with Sam, Bucky, and Zemo for the whole show, and did a good job with John Walker for the first 5 episodes. However, the villains were pretty weak and the redemption of Walker in the final episode was unearned in my opinion. I thought they did a pretty good job at tackling the themes of race, but that one great aspect doesn't fully outdo the Flagsmashers and Sharon Carter. I still enjoyed it though.
3. Loki: I loved the sci-fi wacky vibe of the show, and pretty much everything about Loki, Mobius, Sylvie, and the Loki variants worked for me. In fact, my only major issue is that the final episode (which I still enjoyed) felt less like a natural continuation of Loki's arc in the show and more of a set-up for Kang. I think they could've done both, yet failed to in this case.
2. Hawkeye: At this point, the difference between #1 and #2 is solely personal preference. Hawkeye for me was amazing. Great character interactions, a fun plot to follow along with, and comedy that always landed. I have no major issues with the show, but for me nothing so far has beaten out...
1. WandaVision: This show was stunning. It means a lot to me personally, and it turned a character I didn't care about into my favorite MCU character so far. The writing was great for most every aspect, and despite the fact that it does have some flaws, those to me are minor and don't overshadow the amazing writing the show provides. Episode 8 is the most heart-breaking and emotional stuff the MCU has ever made.
Hey that’s exactly what my list is too
Completely disagree with wandavision as first but I respect your opinion
That dan frame was gold. Thank you
The externals/falcon and the winter soldier swapping formats is such a good idea.
The tracksuit mafia bits felt like rejects from the show Barry. I liked the idea of having just some mooks -- some true comic book goons -- around to fill in the nooks and crannies, so to speak, but they went a bit overboard with the humour -- well, the attempted humour. And Rogers: The Musical was gloriously high on the Hunched Scale.
I mostly agree, but I'm actually slightly below you on it. I thought it was kind of shaky rather than solid. I enjoyed parts, especially the interactions between Hawkeye and Kate Bishop, but totally agree the Tracksuit Mafia was lame. I thought it could have been a lot better if they cut the Yelena storyline from the first season and spent the whole season 2 working through that to give it more weight. It was a decent show, but I probably won't watch another season unless I hear great things.
The tracksuit mafia was a carry over from the very successful Hawkeye series from Matt Fraction.
As for Fisk's relationship to them, he's not a micro-manager, he just wants results. I'll infer that for the most part (up until e6) he's been content with their results.
Hawkeye is easily the best MCU show. Love the characters and Christmas atmosphere. Its budget fits its premise, and ending fits its setup.
Hawkeye > WandaVision > Falcon > Loki
What I did that worked for me was I waited to watch the entire show until last Saturday, binged them all, and watched the finale today. I’m going to do that with all future MCU shows. The pacing issues that would’ve presented themselves week to week went away when I watched them all back to back. The only spoiler I saw was the big one and even then I didn’t mind
Once again I think you perfectly summed up my thoughts, and I've agreed with you completely. Two of my friends put Hawkeye in S tier of the entire MCU, and I was trying to figure out what I was missing. I'm glad to feel reinforced in my thoughts that it's good, just not amazing :)
Are there no police in NYC? I know we have to suspend our disbelief for these comic book shows to work, but this last episode was really pushing it for me. I couldn't get over how ridiculous it seemed to have all this pandemodium happening in one of the most iconic locations in NYC with no police showing up.
Yeah good point!
Kingpin "owns" the city and wants Hawkeye dead. You really think he doesn't have some control over police if he really needs?
Kingpin would hire assassins or strike from the shadows in order to avoid public attention. An out all battle with cartoonish “gangs” in a crowded area, is so out of character for him.
My ranking:
5. What If
4. Falcon and the Winter Soldier
3. Hawkeye
2. WandaVision
1. Loki
I believe this series was made for the family to watch during the holidays. It's very kid friendly by not showing deaths and heavy storyline. But it was really fun to watch even for adults.
8:50 I think you know already. But that was pretty much the Formula of 24. Dealing with immediate threat, then taking care of the brains/person behind the threat.
I love the picture you choice for yourself. So flattering. Hilarious
I liked Loki best, but this was a very close second. The only thing that I did not like was that Jack was not fleshed out more. They made him a plot device rather than a character, which was a waste of Tony Dalton's talent (though to his credit, he did a great job with what he was given). What I particularly liked was how Jeremy Renner really sold the tired Superhero just wanting to be done, and Hailee Steinfeld totally creating the impatient eager beaver learning the ropes and taking her lumps.
The word I would, sadly, use to describe this show was “Unnecessary “ or maybe even “Pointless”….and, yeah, they wasted Yelena…and Kingpin….this was just a poorly-run series…Falcon/Winter Soldier did a much more cohesive job telling a solid story straight through..,don’t understand at all WHY FOLKS HATE THIS SO MUCH
I loved this show. I liked arrow back in the day and this did everything that one did, but better imo
Just had a thought, maybe the idiocy of the tracksuit is down to just how much damage Ronin did during the blip
No way, these criminals would not be arrested immediately, so sloppy as criminals.
I really wanted to like Hawkeye but it felt underwhelming.
1. Why bring in Kingpin if he was going to be written like that. Seemed like a cartoony buffoon villian instead the smart, physical, ruthless threat.
2. Kate's character didnt work for me. I didnt see her grow or learn from her mistakes enough to believe she should be on close to even playing field as Yelena or Kingpin. Her character could of really done with some failure to learn and grow but we didnt get that at all.
3. Tracksuit buffoons was exactly my thought too dan! Especially when so many came out of nowhere in that finale!!!!
5. Larpers went too overboad. I dont mind them helping but putting the costumes on? Come on.
I did really like clints story and his interaction with Yelena. The rest though? I could of done without
First off your criticisms and assessments about them were pretty accurate and well deserved. Regardless though......
I liked this show from start to finish in spite of some weaker episodes, plot points etc, because the main characters really carried it for me. I probably enjoyed watching it more than I should have.... Jeremy and Kate were great and I liked getting to know Yelena a bit more.
It's so strange for me how I loved every episode of the show except for the finale. I mean it's not bad and I still liked it but it was the weakest episode for me and there's just something about the execution that didn't hit the way I wanted.
Yep can’t even say exactly why I didn’t like it but something just felt of with the finally. I don’t get how then just beating up a bunch of dudes in the end solves their problems
All the tention was just lost, and therefore my emotion towards followed that path.
This show is not about Yelena, Kingpin or even Maya. It's It's about Clint accepting his sins and finding closure and peace whith hist past. And passing the torch to Kate eventually. All episodes about it. All the other characters just helping us to understand his past.
Kingpin and Maya will get their bonding time in her show.
Yes, exactly this
In terms of returning characters on a more Earth Based level, I liked this site/project the most because of how they were able to balance the seriousness of Hawkeye's trauma and grief with the whimsy and magic associated with the holiday season, as well as the chemistry between Renner and Steinfeld.
I agree with everything you said. I dont understand some of the fights like there was no build up they just said lets go to this party and fight. And it was the same with almost everything else everything felt scatter and not linear.
First 2 episodes were slow going as they introduced all the characters but from episode 3-6 was great. Overall a solid 8 out of 10 for this short series.
I don't deep drive into the philosophical meanings of comic book movies or tv shows but enjoy them as I do candy and this is another delicious, sugary treat from the MCU.
Good old screen junkies technical issues, thank you for the picture Dan
I liked Hawkeye better than Loki solely because Loki's finale fell apart for me, but I don't know that this finale was really that great either. A lot of threads came rushing back and I didn't think Maya's storyline got proper payoff for how much they set it up. I especially didn't like that the writers seemingly didn't think that the LARPers should have acted like firefighters and cops during their moment, despite it being made clear that most of them were just that. What better way to let these "pretend" heroes feel like heroes than for them to become first responders to an active shooting? It was kind of messy
Loki’s finale was the best part of the show
Feels like Kingpin should have been set up earlier or remained in the shadows having him show up as the main villain in the last episode doesn’t work
Maybe it was because I was watching at 4:30am today, but I was having a hard time figuring out how things were wrapping up.
These shows have a villain problem…Wandavision, Hawkeye, Loki, and even What If all revealed their main villains in the last two episodes. It’s bad storytelling, that’s why none of it is feeling impactful. Start introducing the villains as villains in episode one! Daredevil was EXCELLENT because it was a back and forth between him and Kingpin for a whole season.
It seems pretty obvious that Kingpin was not 100% when production started. It’s interesting because once Kingpin was available it feels like they re-wrote it to make Kingpin the big bad instead of Eleanor with probably Jack as the final boss that Kate has to beat.
TBH I liked it more than the rest besides maybe Wanda. But I still am miffed it’s not really a Clint show. I like Haliee a lot but they crammed too much in towards the end
Dan I loved the tracksuits but I get your criticism
In the end Jack character is the most comic book optimistic character in this series and I love that aspect of him
It's sometimes hard to rank things 1.2.3 because then you think that they are equally apart when they really aren't. I loved Hawkeye and it's a hard choice, but my rankings would be:
1: Loki
1.2: Wanda
1.5: Hawkeye (yeah, it's essentially almost a 3-Way tie... going to have to wait a bit and do a rewatch on all of them)
4. Falcon
7. What If?
24 is such a good comparison. I liked 24, and I liked this show, but I agree that it would just shift focus instead of staying with one issue. I couldn’t really understand what the goal of the final fight scene was…it was a fun show though.
It's odd that they revealed Clint's new costume in the marketing when it was supposed to be a reveal in the final episode. That moment was blunted as a result.
I loved this show. Admittedly I’d been excited about it when Kevin Feige first announced it over a year ago. The definitely clownish track suits were straight out of the comics as was the point black shot to the face Kingpin received from Echo. In the (Daredevil) comics he survives but is blind for a while and then fully recovers.
It is important to point out that almost all the issues you raised at the end of the video were caused by Covid. For example, in Falcon, they had to removed the plot related to the release of a bioweapon; many actors in Wanda Vision and Hawkeye were unable to come back on set to film additional scenes; in Hawkeye, Charlie Cox (DD) was supposed to have filmed a cameo, but he was unavailable. The original end credit in Hawkeye was supposed to be Kingpin, but was removed at the last minute (in order to increase the suspense about surviving being shot - although we all know he has survived).
Had to check some of my concerns with this review. Overall I enjoyed the series a lot, it might become a Christmas time staple.
I think a lot of your concerns will be answered in Echo and other MCU media. Which brought up the question of does it stand alone? I'd say yes for the most part, but not 100%
None of the Marvel Disney tv shows come close to Daredevil for me.
Spoilers....... loved the season but don't just bring Kingpin in at the end to be a big bad to do fighting. 90 percent of his character and Vincent is the dialog delivery and his menacing
Sure but it was great to see Kingpin in a physical fight too, to remind us how physically imposing he can also be
I just noticed there was a guy sitting at his computer during the office fight tracking shot. He just glances over as they fight through.
My Ranking For 2021 Disney Plus MCU TV Shows:
1. WandaVision
2. Hawkeye
3. Loki
4. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
5. What If …. (The only MCU tv show that I don’t really like)
Was a little disappointed with what they did with Jack, but loved everything else about the series, especially the finale. Not sure why the larpers actually needed to dress up to get people to listen to them, and I am trying to figure out how Laura being Mockingbird works with Bobbi also being Mockingbird, and in full agreement about the mysteries, but overall I really enjoyed it and it's my favorite Marvel series
Preferences: Hawkeye, What If, WandaVision, Loki. TFATWS
Ratings:
WandaVision - 9/10
Hawkeye - 8/10
What If - 8/10
Loki - 7/10
TFATWS - 7/10
Bruh agents of shield isn’t canon so it doesn’t matter
@@keaton4155 funny, that's what they said about everything on Netflix too.
It feels like the goal of the MCU TV shows is to play it safe and to move characters around to where they need to be so it makes sense when/if they show up in movies, Wandavision got Wanda in place for Dr. Strange 2, Falcon and the Winter Soldier set up the next Captain America movie, Loki revealed Kang and the multiverse (a big moment for Spider-man), Hawkeye set up Kate Bishop and the return of Kingpin (no way he died at the end). What If is the only one that sort of feels like its own self contained series that had no impact on the MCU, just told some neat stories that tied themselves together at the end.
Well except Strange Supreme is in the Doctor Strange sequel.
Think Marvel generally did a really great job with TV this year since it's a brand new medium for them and covid had a huge impact on a lot of the production
I think if there is a Hawkeye S2, it should center with Kate. Kate will most likely move into the penthouse and have Yelena move in(she may need some new employment for not carrying out Val's directive). This could also be a set up for "Young Avengers".
No video, no problem. Way to pivot Dan!
Hawkeye is the Age of Ultron of MCU shows. It has the primary goal of setting up future properties, the secondary goal of continuing the overarching MCU narrative, and is only tertiarily a story about two Hawkeyes.
My thinking was that Hawkeye has traditionally been kind of a "joke character" (outside MCU). And this time around they surrounded him with joke characters like the track suit mafia and even Kate to make him look like the source of seriousness for the show.
The word I would use for this show is "letdown" and it's mainly because of what they did with kingpin.
When the finale is out on Christmas eve review the Wheel of Time show please. It's good fun.
I really liked it but I do agree on the Jack element, that seemed really misplaced. You lose him and I don't think you lose much. We could know that her mom was a villain and she could be clueless and it really would have felt the same
The strange thing is, he contributes so little to the show, but Tony Dalton seemed to understand the show more than anyone else so I almost wish we had more of him
@@sivad1025 good point, he was definitely more interesting and engaging than the mom
To me all of these Marvel shows could've been movies, with the exception of Loki. I think Loki could've been longer.
I think in Hawkeye, Kingpin felt slightly off this could be because in the Netflix universe you have a kingpin that listens to Bach, has a routine and the way his shots are lit is very different when you compare to the vibrant MCU and when you have the same dark menacing tonality of the character but it is now brightly lit, wears flowery shirts then the whole thing feels a bit off!
@@Elwaves2925 No I meant Kingpin specifically, he is dressed in dark colours, in expensive suits, the indoor shots are darkly lit which add to the aura and menace of that character specifically where as in hawkeye, he is wearing a bright colours and the lighting follows the usual MCU theme of being superbright so he feels less menacing vs how he appeared in the Netflix shows
I think, what you're ultimately getting at, is the show shouldve taken this story and made it at least 10 or 12 episodes long. I think the biggest mistake that the Disney overlords are doing to these Disney + shows is they are cutting them to a specific length so that they can get one show done before another show starts .. and trying to squeeze in the this show and The Book of Boba Fett ... Where I think they should just let it breath a bit.. I don't want them ruining the flow and the ultimate outcome of any project, to make sure they can get another one in .. it's frustrating
I think Hawkeye had the best final episode of the shows Marvel have done on Disney+. The dynamic between Kate and Yelena was bloody brilliant, like Kate was her younger sibling. Really hope they team up again in the future.
If anyone really thinks Kevin Feige killed off Kingpin in one episode, then I have some swampland in florida I'd like to sell you lol. My guess is either Maya shot as a warning or he gets blinded like he did in the comics
The tone of this show was all over the place. It doesn’t know what it wants to be. Mixing the grim undertone of Echo-Kazi-Kingpin from the darker world of Daredevil with the lighthearted Home Alone Christmas shenanigans with Clint and Kate vs the Tracksuit Gang, before switching to the somber tone of Ronin and Black Widow subplots. There is a bit of Die Hard sprinkled in there and jokey Jack red herring who feels like he is in a Princess Bride sequel. I think the best part of the show was the Rogers the Musical scene at the end. This show should be called ‘The Bishop & The Hawk’.