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- Опубліковано 20 лис 2022
- Cold Tesla
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How does the F150 Lightning perform in the snow when it is cold, minus 20C to minus 40C, cold? and windy and more snow?
500kms range is what the truck has performed all summer and of course more in the city.
What does winter bring, as you can tell, winter can arrive in November and all the way to April and even a little in May but May snow storms never last more than 2 days.
The driving part is outstanding, all wheel drive basically, the weight of the truck helps with stability and handling.
Range was reduced to 290kms from the 500kms I was expecting 400kms.
This is bad, and I have no idea how Ford will fix this or what it will cost.
IF you are thinking of buying a Lightning, get the longest range possible, in fact, Any electric car or truck, get the longest range possible, if it goes below ZERO where you live, you need the range for when that happens otherwise you have a paper weight that costs an extreme amount of money.
Lets take some CO2 out of the air! Lets reduce what we emit and have some fun doing it.
First real world cold range test. Thank you
Where I live heat is the problem (Phoenix, Arizona) but I still got the extended range. To help with cooling in the high heat, though, I also got the Max Towing Package which adds a secondary coolant system for the battery pack and motors.
Always be sure to precondition the battery while it's still plugged in to help extend the range. Loosing range isn't a problem for me, even though I only charge mine to 80%, because my longest trip is about 60 miles, so even if mine is cut in half I could drive over 100 miles. Anyone purchasing a lightning to drive long distances are going to get range anxiety.
I got the XLT lightning in canada also. I get 370 km on full charge in -10c weather. i expected the range lost, its perfect for my commute and needs. i really enjoy mine
Is yours standard range? Thank you
Well done. I've only had a handful of cold days so far with my Lightning, but my Mach-E used to drop quite a bit when it was extremely cold. For those of you who are in the US... 325 Km of range is 201 Miles. Remember, the range is still an estimate based on your personal driving situation. In NYC, the speed limit on local roads is 25 MPH, with the max highways at only 50 MPH (Good luck trying to even go that fast with all the traffic), so for me my ranges are super high. My Standard Range Lightning is rated at 230 miles... and in the summer I regularly got 300. In the cold, I drop to about 220.
The heater is eating power like a fat guy at a buffet! There is no getting around that
Driving an SR in the Twin Cities in winter is a lesson on keeping an eye on the % battery or miles/kwh. If the truck was plugged in and preconditioned, I'm in 2 to 2.3 m/kwh. If the truck is cold it's more like 1.6 to 1.8. Very usable for daily driving.
Dude if it cannot tow or haul it isn’t a truck either
Dude, it hauls no problem and towes 3000kg
@@coldtesla6212 not that far
Real trucks can Pull the balls off the Statue of Liberty anything less is a Nancy Ride
@@coldtesla6212 OK. Hook up 6000 pounds on a minus 20C day and report back how far you get.
So right about the range. Here in Wisconsin, the SR range would only probably be useful for Milwaukee or Madison companies who don't leave town. But loving my Lariat Lightning with the bigger battery!
Thanks for this video. I have been experiencing loss of range as the weather got cold, but just bought it, so was wondering what was going on. This is great info. Much appreciated.
Great video! I have the ER XLT on order (in Ontario) as well. 40% loss in range is about what I was expecting, based on my Model 3 and LEAF experience.
I am an HVAC in PA. so far I havent seen any electric trucks for contractors. Contractors buy thousands of vans and pickups every year. Even the dealers here don't push for it. I guess unlike the EV fanboys that tell you they are the best without any recourse or punishment if they are wrong, the dealer knows that truck may be coming right through the front window if it fails lol
Hahahaha,, I don't think so.. ya got me going. Those temps, I just can't imagine that cold. And that much range lost to cold - this is the first review I've seen someone fess up that cold, that cold anyway, kills off a lot of range. Thanks, I enjoyed this review. You covered a lot, and you backed your short range opinion with the proof .
Few years ago, I business guy decide to buy a taxi company and use all governement money to buy only electric vehicule.....operate for one year and bankcrupt..
The taxi spend more time charging then working
REF: Teo Taxi Bankruptcy in 2019
So good for the environment ice forms around it 😆
I agree with the short range and standard range
Thanks for the video. My build date is Feb 20 for XLT extended range. Company vehicle and I typically put on about 60k a year.
I have heard that using seat heaters instead of thermostat to assist with warming interior will improve range.
I have almost finished UA-cam watching lightning videos lol
yes, but your windows fog up in about 15 minutes
Plan out your charging, it is the only issue, where to charge and will it work.
I'd be curious to know what the range would be if you never ran the heat lol! Seriously though, I think the 24 model year should have a heat pump that's WAY more efficient. Now I live in NC, so I don't care as much, but yeah I think that'd help.
on a nice day, 15C(65F) I get 500kms @119kms(310miles @ 70mph, in the city closer to 700kms
Well. I just got back from a hunting trip and drove over 900 miles. Stopped for gas 3 times and it took 3 minutes to fill up. My F-250 has 200000 miles on it and I have zero car payment. I think I have a far superior truck and I saved 100000 dollars and not a slave to debt.
wrong, you have a 250 not a 150, it will take more than 3 minutes to fill your truck, what did you pay for it? was it new? What is the difference if you sold it and bought a lightning? Are you really saving, anything, over time say 200,000 more miles?
@@coldtesla6212 You're in denial about buying a turd aren't ya.
Thank you for your honestly. Does your truck tell you how many kilowatts were actually used for heat?
Yes, it has a climate % while you are driving and at the end of your trip
@@coldtesla6212 What was it?
Is this the 2021 that doesn’t have a heat pump? I heard that really reduces range in the winter. I believe the 2022 has a heat pump now. I’m on the list for a Silverado EV RST. I’m hoping with 640KM range I should be good in the winter. Heat pump helps a lot. I live just outside of Toronto. So I’m used to the nasty weather too. I’m
Thinking the Silverado will loose around 30% range in the winter (not towing of course). So that should leave me around 400-450km in the winter. Nice truck. I love electric pick ups. I currently have a 2020 Sierra
it feals so strange as a european to hear your acsent and hear celsius and metric and understand evreything perfectly but then when you said that you towed 3000 kg in 110 kmh is a shock in sweden you can tow max speed 80 kmh and max combinded weight of 3500kg on b licens
You left a lot of information out. Did you have the heater going or just the seat/wheel warmers? That impacts range. Did you have ACTUAL PROPER snow tires on? That impacts range. EVs measure range by how the driver drives as well.
That was just a snowfall, not a storm. Want a proper snow storm? Come to Ontario. 😂
heat on all the way, just as it was a gas truck, Michelin mud and snow tires, you get big ones, not as cold as us though.
@@coldtesla6212 LOL. You would be surprised. 🥶
I knew range would be cut down dramatically and that isn't a problem for me as my commutes are under 100km per day. I am more interested to hear about the other aspects of winter driving. Like how does the heating work. Since it electric, does the heat start coming out of the vents instantly? Does it provide enough heat to keep the cabin comfortable in extreme cold? Does it take long to heat the cabin comfortably? How is the defrost. Is it equivalent to an ICE truck? I am assuming with the added weight and evenly distributed battery, the truck should drive great. Strange that they took off remote start from the fob. I can see them renaming it to pre-condition or something like that but to remove it is odd. So now you do this through the app. I am okay with that as long as that function stays free. If it requires a subscription after so many years, I'm out. I bought a 100k Cadillac and the app stopped working after 3 years. They expect me to pay $50/month so that I can remote start my car every once in a while. Not going to happen and that nickel and dimeing cost GM any future sales from me.
Thank you but no thanks, I live in Northern Ontario and I will stick with my GMC oil burner. 800 km range in the winter not including the four jerrycans I carry.
BEV’s are definitely the way to go in the summer months but not in cold temps.
Not many chargers anywhere right now, but hopefully one day soon, there will be many of them fast chargers and it would be a piece of cake. I prefer a 240V 80amp home charger.
yes, the 80 amp is wonderful, but need to upgrade the service to 200 amp from 100 to do that, and that is costly
Imagine if you had to tow. 😂 60 mile range
a 100k+ truck and you can only go 350Kms Jesus...
350 km for 10 dollars and hardly any maintenance. Try that in a gas truck.
@@Filmryder Much higher then 10 dollars if you have to use a charging station.
Try more like 70-90
Mile for mile gas & diesel is still cheaper if you have to use charging stations.
Not to mention you would have to fill up 500 times to make up the savings of the cost of purchase.
Sadly my friend, your maths is not right. Nor is your information. My lighting costs (at the most expensive fast charger) $20 CAD for 350 km. t
So, for your $150-$200 dollars to do 900km in your gas truck, I’ll do that for $60 max. So no, there’s a ton of saving. I’ll agree it will take a few years, but definitely cheaper . Dollar for dollar, truck for truck, im driving a $100K truck that will end up costing me no more than $65K . Trucks are expensive. I use mine, I need a truck. If a person don’t need a pick up truck , this lightning is just and expensive and really fun toy.
Great video but in the usa we dont know
What klimn are
You need to put that into miles
Live in the south and don’t see that cold of weather (thank goodness) with my Lightning Pro
The idea of electric cars is cool 😎
So a bunch of manufacturers started making high end vehicles to sell to the masses while constricting our range to go places. The corded plug is no different then the leash on your dog.😂
Keeping the windows clear or range… Keeping the windows clear or range
So clarify…did you just unplug the truck recently? I ask because the truck/ battery may have been precondition with it connected to the grid? If that’s the case in the cold where precondition has to happen strictly from battery I believe your range loss will be even greater?!
What can they do to fix it? A problem ALL EV's have. Batteries do not perform as well in the cold as they do in warm temperatures. not a Ford issue. It's a battery issue that EVERY EV suffers from. To get close to 60% of your rated range in -20 degree weather is actually pretty impressive. Many EV's report a 50% loss in cold temps.
They lost 700 million $ on their EV division so they’re gonna have to fix more than the range of these things in cold weather. Most families aren’t able to afford an 85k$ vehicle and what do they expect people to do with their existing vehicles?? Scrap them and default on the payment?? Please
This is bad......I'm in Montreal, also we had a cottage in Tremblant area, the coldest I experiment on the lake was -39C...no wind.....imagine charging with a normal output from your house...it will take 3 days.......
I have a F150 2004 FX4.......V8......18 years old running perfect.....
I use my truck for delivery and work......just the time for managing the charging.....on job site.....no economics benefits....
a 120volt if you are at 10%, I would say 4 days
Extended range is like Starbucks “tall”😊
No problem , just carry a gas generator with you
I also live in Alberta, and not a change with an EV (RANGE ANXIETY) I WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT GAUGE NON STOP
Like all things, after some time, you know how far you can go, I do not pay attention anymore
Im sure software updates down the line to manually heat up the battery and a heat pump will help.
They could I'm sure. We've had our Tesla Model y years now, also live in a cold. Tesla has pushed over-the-air updates which have helped with this. Let's go Ford!
Do that same trip again but throw about 1/2 ton of weight in the back. That would be a great video for all types of contractors.
Hate to call it out too. Says it’s -7 outside lol. It says it on the dash when you turned to show the KM. Maybe with the wind it was minus 20
Wind chill is a made up mathematical number.
If it's -5 with a windchill of -100....its still only -5.
Is it possible to integrate “Webasto” to increase the distance when it’s cold?
It gets cold in Ottawa too. Good to know.
6:10 many would argue that a 5.5 foot bed is not a real truck. Funny how it used to be anything less than an 8 foot bed wasn't a real truck, then 6 foot and now 5.5 foot, what's next...3 foot? lol
yep, 5.5 is usable, 6ft is best, but anything less is not a truck, have you seen the santa crus, it can barely hold a dishwasher.
Why. ?
Are those stock dynapro AT2 tires? How do they do in the snow?
Hanncock all season tires, so far wonderful but will put goodyear AT mud and snow or firestone all weather with the 3 peaks at 70,000k
Iv never seen 500km my average is 400 in summer and around 300km in winter now, unless I use my diesel heater. I'm guessing you get 400km city driving not highway
I only quote highway driving, I have been as high as 750 just in the city (never going over 90kms)
This is no test, why dont you charge it night before and leave it out overnight, you will get 100 miles out of it, here is the big lie the range goes down in summer also, batteries need to be cooled and you use AC, electric cars are an overpriced gimmick
Something doesn’t add up, there should be a self charging system built in to recharge your battery, just like a alternator chargers your regular car battery 🤔
there is , regen braking, you can not charge while driving, you spend more energy than receive.
Think about your presentation to prevent repeating yourself, try and get the point quicker (minus constant weather reports)
325 km about 201 miles
I live in SD, lol!
FYI Ford doesn't claim 500km on the hwy, the EPA rating is mixed hwy and city.
Combined
City
Highway 320 mi (515 km)
350.2 mi (563.5 km)
283.1 mi (455.5 km)
Additional info: "Combined range
Anyone coming from ICE would assume hwy is better but not in EV's
Are you aware that 69% of electricity in Alberta is generated from natural gas, diesel, gasoline, coal, biofuels and gas fired steam?
Lmao. You're smart, eh.
glad I made you smile, the grid is the grid, I can not change it nor can you, but all new forms of electricity is green or Nat Gas, and Nat Gas can be zero emissions, if they want to do it that way.
Throw a trailer on and you can cut that in half
what kind of trailer?, and you do not buy an EV to tow, thats what a F350 is for., unless it is in the city, I get 430kms with my dump trailer!
Wow what country are you from ? Because USA people go by miles per gallon! That s not even 200 miles! A lot of not so dependable there
That is not a lot of range lost for an ev, my Model 3 LR (499 km epa) in the same condition will lost 50%, then max 250 km. There nothing Ford can do about it, even Tesla is worst in the same conditions.
Good video and thank you for sharing.... but .....No thank you. I'll stick with freedom, the ability to go where I want when I want and not stress about battery life. Don't get me wrong, the tech is pretty cool but it's not even close to being there and a loss of that much, because of cold conditions, is BS. I'm in the north east and our weather is freezing and very hot. Not to mention, salt water and stop and go traffic. I see no real reason to get a EV truck at this point. What about the death of the battery? How long is that going to last with that type of abuse. I know my battery tools suffer big-time in cold weather, dropping power quickly, and when hot, not being able to charge because they need to cool. If my tool batteries are acting like that, that means they are wearing prematurely and inefficient, SO, for a truck, with a very expensive battery, one that will cost tens of thousands (speculating), that hasn't stood the test of time, I am holding out indefinitely. Not to mention, we do not have many charging stations here, and to plan a trip, when we take my truck for family vacations, it would be a MAJOR inconvenience. Like I said, cool tech but it has a long way to go.
I hear you. I drove an F150 for 6 years before getting my Lightning, Its a terrific truck. and you know what else, ill trade the little inconvenience for the fuel saving. Ive saved over $1500 in 8 weeks already. the cost of ownership for this electric truck which outperforms any other in its class, will be MUCH lower! MUCH.
@@Filmryder glad to hear you are having a positive experience. Because the tech is so new and different from ICE, it concerns me about the ability to repair and do things myself to keep it running.
I'm sure tools that I don't have will be needed to service, plus, who is trained to service them besides the dealership. I'm not to confident that things will be properly fixed in a reasonable timeframe.
Yes, the cost of gas is $0 but the cost to repair and time to do so, I'm speculating, will be greater than standard servicing costs.
Only time will tell but thank all those that are the guinea pigs. Your shared experiences are informative and appreciated.
Nice ! I wish all replies were this civil. Look, I was skeptical too. But I dove in and the truck blows me away. But it’s not for everyone in every use case. Maybe it doesn’t fit your current need. That’s cool. Wait a few years .but don’t discount the tech. It’s amazing. Also, and I’ve had this discussion with a few people. Just because the solution to something isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean it is A solution. Just because it doesn’t fit your use case yet, doesn’t mean it’s not perfect for me. I did have to make a few adjustments to my lifestyle. But the benefits outweigh the cons.
Besides, in 5-10 years you won’t be able to buy an ICE vehicle. And won’t be able to buy or sell a house without a EV charger installed.
Hey, and the lightning is SUCH FUN to drive !
@@Filmryder I think there is such a narrative that is being pushed now regarding EVs.
I've driven the BMW EV, the M4 I think. But I was impressed and also concerned. The HP is ridiculous and exciting, BUT it is also very dangerous. The first thing I thought to myself was, no parent should buy a care like this for their child, or a first time driver. It can fly, accelerate very quickly, but with the added weight, because of the battery, it's very dangerous and can get people into trouble quickly. I raced cars years ago and much of racing is shifting the weight, inertia, to enhance cornering and braking. With the EVs, there is greater inertia, due to their weight and that can throw a car out of balance very quick. Yes, I know they have STM and driver assists that counter act user error but still, all that power in inexperienced hands is frightening.
As for usage, speaking for myself, I would get a lighting for my work but would always want an ICE vehicle as a backup or for long trips.
Unfortunately the Lightning only has a 5' bed so that really limits me with my tool transport. There are jobs that I pack my truck for and that extra foot makes a huge difference. When I bought my truck, the dealership screwed up, or tried to pull a fast on, and sent a 5' bed truck. The second I saw it I said, NOPE! There was no way I was going to settle. Needless to say, I ended up using another dealership because the salesman wouldn't return my calls when I wanted to rectify the issue. I gave them a shot and they played games. Fast forward, I ordered my 09 F150 with all the options I wanted from a different dealership and now have 220,000 mi on it and couldn't be happier.
Point is, if I am going to invest in a new vehicle, truck, I plan on keeping it for it's life and there is too much unknown about EVs, especially the F150, for me and my usage, to not pull the trigger yet.
Like you said, everyone has their reasons/usage.
Thanks for the polite and considerate conversation. This is how we learn and accept the differences between people. Cheers!
Hey! For sure! It’s not for you yet. I agree it feels like the EV’s are being pushed on us. But truth is, they are just better. More efficient, more powerful, more utility.
However, if you need a F250 or F350 or a 8 ft bed. Then this truck is not for you. Wait for the RAM EV. That’s going to be a great truck.
I travel 420 km every weekend from my house to where I work. Every weekend. I was spending $1000 a month on gas . Canada. No more. I charge once each trip. No big deal. It takes me longer by about 45 mins and in the cold it’s no fun, but the money I save and the quality of the quiet safe ride in the highway is amazing . I occasionally haul household renovations stuff, dump runs etc. I also tow a travel trailer in the summer. We will see how that works out.
I’m not a farmer or a heavy duty mechanic who need a an diesel burner.
Hang in there.
And here in the States a km, cm, kw is a foreign language.
1.6 k = 1.0 mi
And how do U measure electricity that U pay 4 @ home??
Dinosaur
@@mikeholubek4419 I look at the bill and pay it.
I don’t give a crap about the kw of electricity we use. I just care about paying our bills on time.
What I do care about is deciding what medications to prescribe for my patients as an individual and what mg are the best for them during their psychotic breaks or their life long mental illnesses.
You lost a lot of money.
Great truck, losses 40% power when left unplugged overnight in very low temps , garbage, if you charge your vehicle and unplug it overnight at 8:00 PM your car heaters will run all night to keep the battery at 70C , which will reduce range by as much as 40%, The big lie is this there is no savings, EV vehicles constantly waste power when not plugged in , batteries and pumps systems need to be on constantly running wasting energy 24/7, and wait for this utility costs will double due to high energy requirements due to all these high rate chargers running.
where did you get that? what again
I don't think you know what minus 20 is no breath in the air sorry not sorry
Sorry to burst your bubble
But all EV'S are crap
Expensive status symbols, not real.trucks
You have never driven one, 42,000kms and going!!
Overpriced complete junk! I’ll stick to my 2021 F-350 7.3 Godzilla that can actually tow something , plow snow , haul & get me to where I need to go while doing so whether it’s cold , hot , or windy , in complete comfort with a $52K MSRP!
Congradulations, you have a truck for you, but its not junk, it beats the f150 in everything, but towing and only 8% of truck users tow
@Cold Tesla I tow often with my lightning, I just don't tow a 10k lb rv, up hill, coast to coast with a light-duty truck! I for the life of me don't get why HD truck people keep comparing the F-150 Lightning to F-350s for towing. They aren't the same product! This is like me going to a HD truck towing test video and saying 'Overpriced complete junk! I'll stick to my 50k luxury sedan that actually has better ride quality, mpg, 0-60, and does not sound like a dump truck!'.
If you need to tow 35k, no F-150 ever made will help you! If you don't need HD towing, you gave up a lot of comfort, safety, and mpg just to try to compensate for your pp.
Get to the point
Wow. You were sold a bill of goods. Charging prices between $80 to $90 and climbing! Huge distance reductiins in cold temps. Exploding batteries in accidents! Rescue squads unable to put out electrical fires in accidents! vehicles locked down and no escape in accidents! Nice job brandon!
there are ZERO batteries fire, or not being able to put out fires, and ALL car prices are going up, and who is brandon
@@coldtesla6212 Since he probably won't answer the question that you asked, I'll explain. A news announcer was claiming that a crowd was celebrating the victory of a driver whose first name was Brandon. The crowd was actually saying $#@% Biden. Let's go, Brandon or Nice job, Brandon is about President Biden.
You mean charging prices between $15 - $25? You do realize that EV owners do most of their charging at home and not at roadside chargers, right?
FJB
@@mikeholubek4419 won't you feel foolish when you realize that this video is Canadian and that your president has nothing to do with it?
You are doing great, keep it up. Crush your competition with 'Promosm'!