Former Tory Prison's Minister Ann Widdecombe says there is 'intense idleness' in most UK prisons
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Of course we are too soft.
Prisons do not rehabilitate.
NOT the function of prison, time out ,ONLY.
@@berniefynn6623
Why not (while a person is serving a sentence...) prepare them to function properly in society with the rest of us, by the time they are released?
It makes way more sense than not doing it, on so many levels.
@@lena-mariaglouis-charles7036 go work in a prison and mix with them and get a reality check, to many thick knobs around with theories
@@berniefynn6623
Considering that You seemingly lump all prisoners into one category, apparently assuming that none of them will benefit from learning a trade (or further their education...) while incarcerated (so that they can enter back into society and become productive citizens, once they're released...), only demonstrates what a one-track, arrogant and ignorant mind You have...
I sincerely pity You.
Prison is a punishment, not a reward.
Love Anne always say it how it is.
You need to do some research friend. Miss Widdecombe was useless in office. Utterly useless.
Ann with her high pitched squarble and megelaZongers is a great advocate of sensible thinking to be proud of and a credit to the British Constitution and our values.
Prison mosques,don’t help,just saying.
The phrase "mental health issues" is like a magic wand as to why people do wrong, sometimes hugely, and are deemed incapable of doing snything
Well said Anne
Ann
A significant proportion of the UK prison population should not be there on the other side of the coin there are many people that should never leave
The war on drugs is just preposterous at this stage.
Build a big prison on an Island, for the worst prisoners, no TVs no Internet, no nothing.😮
So basically Alcatraz... that really worked out for the US considering it's now a tourist attraction...
@@MajesticJewnicorn Hello to you. I was in San Francisco, some years ago caught boat over to Alcatraz Prison
in the middle of San Francisco Bay. Perhaps you have also been there. I live in U.K.
Anyway, Peace to all.
@@alankirkby465 I'm also from the UK and went to visit Alcatraz on a San Francisco trip. Gave me nightmares about Al Capone for about a month after
Winston and his Mental Health excuses and appeasement. What a pity nobody asked Winston if he still indulges in using Drugs.
He does have a point though, although not quite the one he thought he was making. Is it more that many people who have miserable lives (no job, no prospects, no education, bad relationships, bad surroundings etc) are simply labelled with the catch-all 'depression/anxiety' by GPs who don't have the time or inclination to do more than write a script for antidepressants? Once given that label, any motivation to address their own problems is then sapped because 'they can't, because of their mental health issues', and crime becomes the easy fix for their issues, whether it be taking drugs or resorting to violence. Obviously, not to be confused with those people who have genuine and often serious MH issues, but they are another matter entirely.
Prison is time out from society,THIS is the punishment, NO ONE goes to prison to be punished a second time.
I have a lot of respect for Ann and her sensible thinking.
Ann Widd is the greatest!!
Common sense!
I really miss it!
Anne is a brilliant lady who talks sense
We don't want clever criminals.
You already have them.
Totally agree with Ann
I could have told her that years ago.
Well said Ann, the Devil finds work for idle hands, if people don't have anything to do with there time , they are more likely to get involved in trouble and criminality
He missed when talking about mental health that a key part of maintaining a good mental health is a routine, which workshops would help with. Funding from those workshops could go towards therapists and educational resources for the prisoners.
As to Anne's point - people should be able to read and write when leaving prison as if they can't they've clearly not had the support group around them in the past hence it's important to provide that for them now so when they do leave they actually have the skills to access the workforce and build up a life for themselves rather than being stuck in the same position as they were when they went into prison.
Can't save people who don't want help, but those who are open to rehabilitation should have the options available and if it takes a little bit of a burden off the taxpayer at the same time then it's ideal.
prison is time out from society, NOTHING else, this is the punishment, being made to do something for so called rehabilitation is a second punishment.If an inmate wants to learn to read and write , he does the work to do it, I was a prison officer for twenty five years, funny how those who have no frontline experience know it all.
Everyone has some sort of mental health issue these days so it's kind of lost it's meaning
People with mental health needs need activity and purpose in their lives. Sitting around doing nothing is hardly conducive to good mental health, Come on Winston!
Get them working oh sorry that’s against their human rights
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Yes, it is. Being there is the punishment. They are not there to receive punishment or suffer the indignity of menial work.
@@unusedsub3003 so how do you reform them for outside life where they will have to suffer the the indignity of menial work to put food on the table. If they do the work it must be meaningful then pay them it’s what normal people have to do. We are not talking chain gangs.
@@barrywood7322 Menial work isn't difficult to get the hang of. Education would be better. Improve literacy and numeracy skills.
I'm not against them working. But that work should be to either maintain and improve the prison, which would be unpaid.
If companies are going to make a profit from their work then that company can afford to pay the prisoners the going rate.
Unpaid prison labour for profit (slavery) would undermine wages for those not in prison.
His Majesty.
Lizzie's in a box.
@@unusedsub3003 She sure is, with a slab of granite on top of her no less!
And who will make these hardened criminals do that then Anne, you?
Ann always speaks sense.
She talks bollox mate. Name a policy she introduced during her entire time in office
She's a religious loony
the way things are going prison looks quite promising...... no bills, no work, nice and warm, free food.
Winston take your head out your backside and listen to Ann
I have a lot of time for Ann Widdecombe, we have met on several occasions. Anastasia ♥️🧑🏻🦼
She's sound. You always know where she stands and I respect her for that. We need more like her. 👍Lucky you for meeting her.
Should be hard labour
Prisons shoul rehabilitate ant not be benefactors of slave labor.
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love Anne :)
The thing is today with the modern prison service is the Tories made very experienced well paid screws redundant and replaced them with wet behind the ears middle class kids on a lot less pay and shit pensions and other terms and conditions which suit the prison service and not the officers! The low pay and poor in work benefits are an open invitation to corruption! There's no loyalty amongst officers as the pension is so poor officers aren't scared of getting into trouble and losing their jobs! Officers due to the way selection is aimed at diversity aren't as robust as they were! I could go on and on! You can thank the Tories for this mess! Tories out ✊
Give people purpose and it will ease the mental burden stop mincing with the mental health card
Give them an option of education, not just menial work.
Ann… if you were the minister for prisons Why did you not do what your suggesting
I don't get people who see prison as pure punishment without rehabilitation. They're quite happy for them to be released at end of sentence to commit more crime, yet never say keep them in for life and save society the trauma of commiting crimes, once out
Idleness is not good for mental health either. 😑
A few acres with proper electric fences and crops to plant.The island prison sounds good,staffed and run by the prisoners themselves.Security around the island can be the state's contribution.
I hate to be picky Anne but it’s His Majesty’s prison system now.
Companies like "DFS" use prison labour to make some of their sofa's, the inmates get paid a pittance and "DFS" do ads campaigns talking about how their furniture is made by "friendly experts." I wonder how lucrative this is for such companies and the Prisons themselves most of which are privately owned businesses?
Reasonably so.
We could, however, do much better. There's a very large, idle, workforce in prison, many of whom would jump at the chance to go and do something useful.
I think this sounds excellent, low pittance versus giving inmates a skill with options when released 🤔
Prison is not to change anyone and to work is extra punishment , go work in a prison before making dumb remarks.
Listen to granny Anne, time for Hard Labour, set up gulags forced Labour Camps time to scrap these holiday camps.
Lazy mess of prison staff. They want to make life as easy for themselves as possible.
Keeping the overall prison environment on a flatline without rocking the boat, is their priority.
so... forced labor? nice one... back to the19 century we go...
Get them down the pits mining for coal!
Chop their Goolies off! That'll learn 'em.
Sounds expensive. And why would we do that when we have folks who'd be happy with the wages of a coal miner. Prison labour could undermine wages for law abiding citizens.
Prisons have gone very easy.
speaking from experience?
@@martynas2194 speaking from 34yrs being in and out of prison .
@@davidhenrywall8619 very interesting then. real question: if prisons would become not "very easy", do you think people would stop repeating your life decisions that led you to those 34 years or would do EVERYTHING and i mean everything not to go back? i have to say that i live in eastern Europe where prisons are not very easy at all and never met a person that was better because of beeing there (in other word rehabilitated) but i met quit a few who would do terrible things not to go back there.
@@martynas2194 well u use slop out years ago , there was no toilet, s no t.v just a battery radio if lucky, more disapline, but u get use to it , people in there today are to dependent on drugs.
@@davidhenrywall8619 so t.v and a TOILET made it too easy? hmmm... I dont know. Have you ever seen prisons in Scandinavia? And they have very little crime out there. I would like my country going in that direction and not in forced labor or taking away toilets direction. I would agree that drugs is a big problem but we're having another chicken or the egg problem, did they get in prison because of drugs or start using because of avilability in prisons.
Lack of meaningful activity ,all well and good but with staffing shortages and poor funding what do you expect ? Widdecombe is a dinosaur. As long as the fundamental inequalities exists in our economy things won't change.
Inequality is fundamental.
Equality is a the rainbow unicorn, it doesn't exist, nor can it exist.
@@byroncudworth6918 indeed but when the gap becomes too extreme it causes problems.
@@johnburrows3385 Agreed.
That needs to be addressed.
Looks a bit smelly.
Drugs IS BETTER THAN SELLING SEX ONLINE.....
Let's bring it conscription, like Putin.
Too many rights for the clientele. You can't make them work if they have the right not to.
Why should they work?
@@unusedsub3003 No work. No TV. No extra visits. Etc. Work your keep.
@@mattfinch3895 nope. They didn't ask to be there. Most people commit crime because they're victims of the class system or mentally ill. Being there is the punishment. Deprivation of liberty is the punishment. Prisons are bad enough. After 5 minutes on the landing, you'd be begging to go in the nonces wing.
@@mattfinch3895 if you want them to work then pay them the going rate. Otherwise prison labour would undermine wages.
@@LoudaroundLincoln food and lodging ain't free.
You want to tackle crime.
Then stop focusing on punishment, Don't get me wrong, it is important, it is however only one side of the coin.
The fear of punishment only works if the criminal believes that they will be subjected to that punishment, the issue is, they do not feel as if they will ever face it. so are not deterred by the punishment. What we need to focus as well is is creasing the likely hood they punishments will be faced. decrease their chances of getting away with the crime.
Take knife crime as an example today the punishment is higher than ever, and yet knife crime still increases. Why? no stop and search, so the chances of actually being bought with a knife is virtually zero. the Knife holders know they will not be facing the punishment as they are not going to get cought.
Yet back in the day, when punishment was less. but searching was higher. we had significantly lower knife crime. only proving again that the punishment as a deterrent does not work. Getting caught does
A sewing machine in every cell, that'll teach them 🥱
The guy that is speaking is almost impossible to understand. He needs to learn how to speak properly. The black female host is not much better, she mumbles incoherently.
Robbery is death penalty!
Proof?
John 19:18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
(Title not yet changed. First two criminals. )
Mark 15:27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
(Title changed. Two Robbers. )
Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
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The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
(Matthew 27:38. Title changed. Two Robbers. )
Thieves are incorrect translation. These two are robbers. Yes. Robbery is death penalty. Leg bone will be broken by club. Law of precedent?
( *Crucifixion* : Criminal can last more than 6 hours on the cross. At the end, to ensure the criminal is dead, the soldier uses a club to break the leg bone to give a shock to the body and to speed up the process of death. See The Companion Bible Ap 164. )
Luke 23:32 And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.
(The first two are wrong-doers, criminals. )
Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Yes. *The religion of robbery* right smacking on the temple court. 🌐🦂🐉 lawyers of death 🌙 moon struck lunatic.
Second death is waiting! Revelation 20:14.
What's the second death?
Luke 12:4 & 5. *Second death* is the death of the soul. Will be erased as if never existed. This is the reason why there's no tears in Revelation 21. All the memories of the entity will be erased.
No repentance no heart no soul no existence.
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Jeremiah 8:8.
Do you know where are those perverted prosecutors, lawyers & judges big shots governors ended up at?
The answer is in Ezekiel 32. They fall with terrorists, human traffickers & Left wing nuts all in one pot. Bye.
100% of all UK prisoners have mental health issues.
The prison system can't force prisoners to do mental health courses, can't force prisoners to address offending behaviour and cannot hold prisoners beyond a release date has been issued by the courts. That means prison in the UK is just a place to hold prisoners until release date.
The ONLY prisoners that can be stopped from entering society are life sentenced prisoners.
The prison system in the UK is rehabilitate IF you want to. Those that do want to MUST be given all the tools to do so, including mental heath therapy and education access.
The UK can't make people rehabilitated, it is a pilgrimage a prisoner wants to do.
Even after being self rehabilitated in prison, getting a job, a home and community respect won't happen because society is unforgiving in the UK.
Lazy mess of prison staff. They want to make life as easy for themselves as possible.
Keeping the overall prison environment on a flatline without rocking the boat, is their priority.