The vikings respected women because they were firm believers that women are the creatures of life and the future. Because they could bring forth life and sculpt the future with how they raised their children they deserved the highest honor. Mothers were held in great esteem.
Lies. Were did you see this? On a meme? Vikings were rapist and murders. There was no just to them. They had many slave women. People take history from other cultures and put it on a white history meme and now everyone believes it 😂
Yea…Islam says something similar as they upload their latest woman beating town hall, random dudes will ride up and get a couple cane hits in. Yet ironically, western woman have welcomed countless men from countries where rape is barely a crime. Every other day you see the consequences of that in the news. What stops shitty dudes, is good dudes, but ideologues paint with a broad brush….then preach about not judging people.
Not quite right. History tells us that the more involved women are in work the better they are treated. This is true across a vast amount of time and civilizations. For the Vikings, women had to tend to the house, kids, and farms when the men left. Therefore they were given a lot of freedom and rights to reflect the level of responsibility. Vs in England at the time, women normally tended to the home and children whilst the men worked. Given that women naturally then would hold no debt, owe no taxes, and had little responsibilities, they were more restricted due to the lower level of responsibilities.
@davidirvine3066 though both of these ardent claims speak with an absolute certainty, they also overlook the fact that all history is written with the bias of the author built in and is therefore at best a 'perspective' of history and not the thing itself to be quoted as absolute. But in all societies since the beginning it is the practices of the previous generation that influence the next and on and on. In every society the respect of their women was either increased or decreased over time by the examples set of the few and then followed by the many. Quite a few civilizations branded their women as property for centuries at a time simply because no man would stand up for them against the crowd( and it generally takes many men to make a change considering the 1/3's law) Even those times that did stand for women often didn't last long on their own because it's always easier to take the path of least resistance when you're younger because experience is lacking to remind you of the consequences. So when you're young, you either learn to trust someone wiser than you and grow from that path, or you don't have that and learn everything on 1rsthand experience and grow from that. Millenniums of humans mistreated women because no one took the time yet to realize what life could be like in a world shared by equals. Only now are we on the cusp of what that could look like, and still conversations like these just prove that we don't yet know how brilliant we could be as am absolute one instead of still two halves squabbling against itself!
Her husband scarred her for life. While the King wouldn’t permit her to be publicly branded, there wasn’t a punishment for what the husband did to her face.
@mtldrgnthomas8174 sure there is, didn't the husband willfully admit that he beat her because she was unfaithful so he could get her face branded? That means he admit to it.
@livingroomtelevision3737 to be fair, the husband isn't there to defend himself, and it's not considered acceptable to judge him in his absence. He may provide proof in the future to dispute the verdict, and the woman may seek retribution. But, the husband would have the right to petition the king, the same as her regardless of who's lying.
The marks were unfortunately commonplace, but accepted, the brand was a mark of shame that would cause her to be shunned by all, unlike the marks of being beaten
Nobody skipped anything. The retribution already received was private & within any man's right if the adultery was true (regardless of whether it's justified), albeit nowhere near such brutality would've been tolerable even under their archaic laws, but the branding was intended to be a public display to instill fear in the collective population of females, & to publicly notify who the adulterer was, & seemingly give the betrayed males a sense of justice. As usual, people utterly skip over loyalty to males in favor of utterly useless females in the United States of America & those mentally manipulated by them worldwide. #SMH
See there’s a big difference, those are wounds, they can come from anything, and no one would immediately know what it was without some knowledge or intuition, The branding is purposefully meant to be a recognized symbol for something, if you see it yk it. Even if it heals it leaves a recognizable mark. The king here recognized that
@@TheMandaloreFett Including the birth of Christ. If you read the Bible, Jesus was born in the early autumn, during the Harvest time. His birth was moved to December 25 to be near the time when the Pagans celebrate the birth of their God, which happens on the Winter Solstice. In fact, the term Yule, was the literal Pagan name for the holiday celebrating the birth of the Pagan God. Yet we now see it associated with Christmas. So, the most important holiday to Christians is literally a renamed Pagan holiday.
Actually the branding would’ve been even worse than the scars . That mark left by the branding would’ve made her shunned since she would be known as an adulterer. As horrible as this looks at least she got saved from publicly being shamed .
The branding they are mentioning is not just marking It is taking a hot iron with a specific design and branding initials into her flesh , like Cowboys would do for a cow or a horse
Respect is something that is earned over a long period of time and based off of a person's actions. The king's known her for what 4 seconds and the only thing he's heard of her actions is she might be a adulterer. He didn't give her respect, he gave her pity and let her off of possible additional punishments by declaring that he's not going to bother to look into it. She won the lottery, it had nothing to do with respect.
I can't think about any historic pagan culture with such level of equality, but at the end of the day I'm not a historian. Vikings surely didn't had that level of equality. Women have more rights than christian women, which arguably wasn't hard to beat, but it wasn't even close to a men rights.
I read the history of Mohammad and know that his first wife khadeeja was twice widowed and inherited all wealth before Islam. After Islam none of Mohammad many wives were able to remarry or inherit their share wholelly. Salty enough?
@@Revivalism23 aren't most movies. It's movies theyre made they're watched. That's what the world does. Doesn't matter reality or not. All movies are for entertainment. Unless it's a true documentary
Adultery was almost always impermissible for a woman, and according to the laws of some Viking provincial law codes, if a husband caught his wife in the act of adultery, he could legally kill both her and her lover. While whipping of adulterous wives was still imposed in some thirteenth-century cases judged by Church courts, penance, contrition, and fines prevailed by the fourteenth. At the Pope's court of justice in fourteenth-century Avignon, adulterers were solely sentenced to a fine.
@@citizenfoffie7605 Theft was also punishable by death, as was poaching. Killing a man was punished by paying the widow the lost wages the man would have earned.
It's quite common in several parts of history for people to believe women were treated worse than they do in foreign countries or in the past and to judge based on that, we're in such an era for the last 50 years at least
It only says the husband belongs to the wife in the marriage bed. All this clarifies is that unreasonable “deprivation” is sinful because that is the only person they’re allowed to have that experience with. In 1 Peter it even says to call your husband Lord.
This particular scene, in all its ridiculousness, can only come from some "woke" mind that doesn't know anything about history. And now it's taught you a bunch of misconceptions about history, or misinformation which is the current fad word. Still, the kings performance was enjoyable.
@Linus Roache gives all through the series an outstanding portrayal of King Ecbert. Warrior, politician, statesman, philosopher, justice seeker, truly truly a one of a king actor!
@@sharonvincent1427 I think my favorite scene is when he is in church and he shouts and the crucifix - your kingdom is one of haven, my kingdom is on earth!
Even in Medival ages, men were punished as much as women did, for cheating, stealing, murdering etc. Sometimes, women were punished less than men for the same crime. It's just mass media that creates images that in the past woman were slaves and males were their owners
@@trevellyann Trump did not do any of such things in his las presidency what makes you think he will do it now? ntm he is the one who takes US military from Ukraine and Israel. Idk about you but as someone from Greece I am glad he is president again and that we are spared from a WW3 for another few years.
@ some moments were inspired by historical events but no moment is historically accurate. For instance, the sack of Lindisfarne never involved Ragnar or anyone in the show, the whole Paris/fake death situation was actually about Harald Hardrada, etc. the fact that the timeline and the mixed and matched characters in the series means there is no historically accurate moment. Just historically inspired.
Don't, the word cupidity doesn't match the context. Probably misspoke by the actor, they didn't catch it while shooting (or maybe at all). Most people won't know that word, but it was like nails on a chalkboard when I heard him say it in that scene. "He has provided no evidence of your cupidity." Cupidity means "greed for money or possessions." What should have been said is, "He has provided no evidence of your culpability." Culpability means "responsibility for a fault or wrong; blame."
@@toddmiller5322 it does match for the time period portrayed. At that time infidelity was part of materialism in the more original sense of being focused on the material world rather than the spiritual world. Infidelity in a Christian society was considered materialistic, and cupidity was used for a selfish focus on the material world. Specifically in this setting, St Augustine used it frequently for “sinful desires” including sexual lust, or “concupiscentia” so it would be correct for a regent of that time. As Ecbert was a student and promoter of the Carolingian Renaissance which promoted Augustine’s works he would be quite familiar with the material and the application if cupiditas to all selfish material world desires.
What Athelstan says is true. I can only confirm it, as a Dane 🇩🇰 one of the descendants of those you call pagan. In our old Scandinavian viking age. Were free women (not thall / slave) equal worth as free man. The free women had rights and laws to portect them. Beside women in our vikings age where the head of the family along with her husband. And solo leader when he went on viking. - Married women, the housewives was leader of their families wealth, children, animals and thralls. - Women could get devorce, in any case if their husbandz abuised, attacked or cheated on them. - Women could inherit land and power. Have titels of power, along with having their own fighting men at her call. (Our frist united Danish Queen Thyra was such a woman. She even said to have a great host or army.) One of our most beloved, powerfull and worshiped Gods was the Goddess, called Freja / Freya. A woman.
Interestingly enough, many Anglo-Saxon tribes, particularly as far as Wessex and Mercia, gave women significant rights. Nowhere near as much as a man, but far more than they would experience once Normans took over. Mercia even had female rulers at various points. And that can trace back to the pre-Anglo-Saxon Britons.
No mostly kings are like that they were not really binded by the religion but uses the religion to control the people some times religious institutions took control of them in the world but not as much as the present time because mostly they had to know that basic things about it.
There are serious misconceptions about conjugal violence and the rights of women in medieval christian societies. In reality, given the extent of her injuries, even IF she had cheated, she would have been entitled to separation and reparation. Men didn't have a right to "do as they see fit with their wife". They had a duty to discipline members of their household (all of them. A wife, child, or even adult brother that happened to live under their roof), because they were considered legally responsible for their household. Still archaic, but an important distinction. And the degree of discipline was determined. No lasting mark was to be left. In fact, there are even archives that show that in some places, the local priest determined the severity of the blows, and once it was pronounced, the husband couldn't avoid doling out the punishment, even if he did abhor it.
@@penelopehayward3631 The "Decretum", a 12th century ecclesiastical Gratian Law text. "Domestical Duties" by William Gouge (1622, a bit late. The man was a bit ahead of his time and diverging from commonly accepted catholic and protestant rule, considering violence against one's spouse a complete no-no, but the book was extremely popular, which shows a social attitude was falling in line behind the premise). "Domestic violence and Rough Justice in Star Chamber" is a good read. It's a story from 1612 that mixes fiction and a merging of several court cases regarding domestic violence. Humbert of Romans (1277) preached about women being equal, and he was quite popular in France. Johannes Herolt (end of the 15th century) was ok with wife-beating, but described how it was to "remain within reason", and outlined "good practices". When expanding the view, in terms of clear rights afforded to women, they had it better during the middle-ages compared to the Victorian era. All shit compared to today, absolutely, but the "proper lady with a nice dress" from 19th century England had it worse than a 1316 girl.
They still need to punish the husband's actions ! Absolving her from being branded is merely saving her from another injustice, while Egbert's job is to see justice done !
@@maiarobinson3931 I know the laws/rules. I'm just calling bullshit on them. Pagans had a lot of good reasons to fight against the encroachment of christianity. In many ways it was it took society backward. Later, after the Black Plague, the Church plunged Europe into centuries of ignorance and worse.
Not in christianity,,and in these times christianity had same or equal power as the king or even more-,,soo in the bible a man can do what ever he wishes with hes wife,as long as he doesn sleep with other woman,then can hes wife divorce the man,,anything else he can do what ever.
I missed Athelstan in this show!! He was an amazing character and so is the king here. This show was one of the better ones I've ever seen whether true or not I don't care it was just a very good show. Even if your wife's unfaithful You should not do that unless she gave you AIDS or something like that. I haven't had the advantage of my life of being able to beat the living hell out of a lot of guys that are abusive and I've had the thanks of hundreds of grateful women just for getting the guy off of them and giving the man a taste of their own medicine. I can't believe how rampant this actually really is still
I don’t think even laying your hands on someone over a disease is the correct answer. A person could not be in the know about their own body yet, the most common symptom for STDs is no symptoms. I don’t think I trust your judgement when it comes to sensitive matters
part of the problem is women dating men at all. They should stop for a few decades and men might finally appreciate their worth. Too many women are raised to 'tolerate' not liberate themselves. There are often signs before physical abuse happens. Kindness is underrated but it's so important. Does he laugh at other's misfortunes, does he lack empathy? Is he immature.
Nah. Cause not dating men ever even if your straight and want a good partner only makes sense if you say all men are bad. And that obviously isn't true.
Context: the TV show is called “Vikings”. The “pagan” next to the king is called athelstan. Athelstan was a christian monk who was enslaved by vikings & taken to norway. He was made a free man by their new earl Ragnar lothbrok after the okd one was dethroned & he ends up becoming a viking himself, now believing in pagan (norse) gods such as odin, thor, freyja, etc During a raid on england, ragnar’s hold becomes under attack & ragnar lets athelstan stay behind to continue raiding while he leaves to defend his hold. While raiding athelstan is captured, nailed to a cross w/ a crown of thorns like jesus was & about to die, but was spared by the king who sees athelstan as a “spiritual man” & seeks his advisement on matters such as what the video shows
Man, in the Icelandic sagas if a woman got upset with her husband she'd just walk out, go back to her family's home and say she was divorced now. In some cases she'd say "That bastard did X to me, anyone want to kill him?" The downside: When they did, sometimes it started a vendetta.
Remember, Calvary Chapel's movie "Jesus Revolution" was admitted to be 99% fictional by Greg Laurie himself. Odinists aren't Asatru, "Christian Nationalists" aren't Christian
Javier Bardem's been in massive movies for years. Including mega-series like James Bond and Pirates of the Caribbean - not to mention masterpieces like No Country, which won 4 Academy Awards and 2 Golden Globes.
I think Javier Bardem is a great actor. My only concern is whether he is going to use his 'stardom' for leftist propaganda like some of the other 'stars.'
@vegasilkit I don't know about Javiers politics. Seeing as he is not from America originally I doubt he gets carried away like we all did. I just know that whenever native americans had problems with the government it was Hollywood actors that came and stood beside them. The weirdness of their personal lives didn't matter. Wounded Knee, Keystone Pipeline, A.I.M. agenda. I would suspect if there was some small group being treated bad there would be actors standing up for them.
Scandinavians at the time would have likely held a trial in front of a lawgiver (and not the lord very important) who’d look at the case objectively in theory. But both would have to give testimony and bring evidence so definitely better than early medieval Britain
The king made an informed decision on what was right! He had already made his decision before pronouncing it and by using the old laws of the land, which he deemed appropriate for this case!
Back then, and honestly until the 1840s, women were married not out of love (or any kind of attraction) but as a symbol of uniting the wealth and benefits of families. Marriage was nothing more than a property transaction in the attempt to continue stability into the next generation. (this is why so many countries did arrange marriages).
@@andrewhdemarest False, fake news. Women married for security for themselves and/or family security. Marriage benefits the women and child. Was there rare cases? Of course, with powerful kings emperors dictators and it's just like nowadays. It's not the norm, but there are people doing evil.
Although a show, this stuff happened & happens irl & why I am sure aliens have quarantined us: _"Stay away from lil blue planet, inhabitants are primitive, quite cruel to one another and rather unusually stupid"_
We are definitely quarantined. With all the trillions of planets to choose from why would aliens want to come to a polluted, overcrowded planet with lots of violent people.
And thus I have been called to rewatch this series for the 10th time haha damnit 😂 I know people don’t like this show bcz it’s historically inaccurate but knowing this- it’s just a show- so enjoy it and don’t be a stick in the mud.
That’s correct, they don’t. Read the Bible. “Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up her.” We are to cherish our wives and die for them if necessary. Not in some weak, passive manner as is often in USA, but certainly not as a tyrant. A strong wife makes her husband stronger so long as she doesn’t try to rule over him (also as is too common in USA), but works together towards the same goal.
@@TheLevantin clearly you are very uneducated. Here you go: You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall make no idols. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Keep the Sabbath day holy. Honor your father and your mother. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet.
@@georgina1848 Having the names of historical characters still does not make it "historical" in the sense that it's portraying anything accurately at all.
Vikings actually greatly respected their wifes and women, as they were the ones that took care of the family and house while they were out at sea for sometimes months.
Except that really didn’t happen in history. In fact what would actually happen is if the town found out the husband was beating his wife, they would publicly punish him. Conversely, if they found out a wife was beating her husband… they would punish the husband for letting it happen.
Maybe that's true but what's also true is women have been experiencing male violence for all of human history and most of it went unpunished. Even last century you had women going to police and them simply refusing to do anything about it because they saw it as something her husband had a right to do. In other places it was prosecuted. You can't paint the entire world and all of history with one brush
@@ametrineambrosia4929 of course. It was a shaming ritual and punishment called “Charivari”. Used in medieval Europe. In England, they had something very similar to that called “Rough Music”. It was used to punish men for beating their wives. And like I said, it was also used against men who allowed themselves to be beaten by their wives. Even in America, it was practiced until around the mid-20th century.
@@CasperrvfxI highly recommend reading into this (if you want of course) as I found it really cool. There was a time when the Norse mixed the two, in fact the Norse already believe Jesus was a god but a weak one that’s why the Old Testament was used to convert northern pagans because that demonstrates the real strength of god but for a time Nordic countries believe Jesus to be one of Odin’s sons and it was in fact Odin whom returned him to earth for only a moment (the resurrection). Of course this didn’t last long but it’s really cool how it was for a very brief moment in time merged as one
@@kaihiggins725 Don't want to offend anyone but Christianity is probably the most corrupt religion out there. It keeps changing and adding new content as if it's a new update. In the first 300 years of Christianity Jesus wasn't even believed to be God at all
That’s the Hammurabi code not the Old Testament, please please stop being stupid. It’s embarrassing enough to be American without the rest of yall trying to seem intelligent when you are not
Besides the Viking culture treated women far better than the Christian’s. They had problems with Christian women running away to be with Viking men because of better social treatment and justice. Like omfg you’re literally so uneducated
@@METVWETV literal history books? Antiquity is mad fascinating bruh. There was a lot of major laws under Babylon and it was far more complex than eye for an eye. But it’s still not from the Old Testament at all. So idk why you’re the one acting like I’m an uneducated hick lmao
This comment section is filled with people whos knowledge about history is based on fantasy novels and inaccurate historical sources like Ceasar:-D Stop arguing about crap you know nothing about, read texts from historians and then you can argue. Vikings is a fantasy show, historically its a pile of crap. HOWGH, I SPOKE
Actually, the Bible demands the husband to satisfy every need of the wife and to give his life to her. In return the wife should love and respect her husband. Sadly less than 5% of my so called Christian neighbors would even intentionally try to finish reading the Bible.
@ having to divorce whether you’re a man or a woman is upsetting in the first place. I think the issue we often overlooked is how men don’t value their women in so many societies. Look, many raiders in ancient time take pride in murders and raping women too… not sure if this is a society I would want to be a part of.
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 that isn’t true of norse marriage practices. While marriage was secular, both still had to have a specific cause, not just because they wanted to. The only time a divorce not in grounds was allowed was if both parties agreed. Norse laws and customs were public and aimed at promoting social order, and a one sided non-justifiable divorce was not considered part of that order.
Pagan life is not in your genetic make up!! You need to go back to school! I , and you , do not pass down in our blood, any kind of such nonsence ! Get an education ..its free, Don't you know how to READ ? THIS IS THE RUIN OF ALL MAN, STUPIDITY.
He was the spiritual character as Floki was the fanatic. Damn we could write an essay about each character and how they complete each other by giving two sides of spirituality.
Mongols held women in high regard as well, despite the notoriety. Women arguably held higher authority than a man in the household. Since women held the household economy and most decisions, while husbands were mostly soldiers. The man the myth, and one of the worst in history himself had a child that was not his. Never said anything to the queen who was diddy’d. And never restricted the child with anything, he was his child.
If someone did something like this to my sister......they will never be found....regardless of who they are. I bow down to no man, no man's law and definitely not royalty.
@@Tailssonic1999x Why? Because modern society told you so? To express your feelings so everyone must know what you are feeling and to do what about it exactly? Be nicer to you because you are having a bad day emotionally? You dont miss something you dont have. Some people express their sadness by crying (for some reason) and some dont. I dont let emotion dictate my well being. I am emotionally happy because I am free of the emotions that cripple people. I feel sad and happy but I dont let the negative things in life dictate to me. When you stub your toe, it hurts, get over it. That is the same with any other emotion. People who can not control their emotions are just bags of frustration and medical bills waiting to happen...and the thing that tickles me, is that they want everyone around them feel with them. No thanks.
This scene is a complete fabrication designed to make Christians look bad. Shame on the writers for either their historical inaccuracies at best or outright discrimination against Christians at worst. For the record, hitting women is unacceptable and no man should ever do it. Ironically, Christians didn’t inflict physical pain on adulterers, likely because their founder emphasized forgiveness and "turning the other cheek." Meanwhile, Viking sagas and historical accounts suggest unfaithful wives could face violent punishment, including death, though these practices were never codified. I enjoyed this series when it first came out, but wow, it really jumped the shark. Remember when Ivar was rolling around in the mud in a Viking wheelchair with wooden off-road tires? Completely ridiculous-wheelchairs wouldn’t be invented for another 800 years. But who needs facts when emotions sell the story, right?
tbf it isnt a historical documentary, however i do still find it quite funny when these movies and shows depict christianity in such a way, where it ISNT ironic and you can tell the show writers genuinely believe this. oh well, what can u do i guess.
There is sparse evidence of very rudimentary chairs with wheels around the period and documented evidence of wheeled mobility aids in china well before anything in Europe so... unlikely but possible. As for the Christian stuff, flat out incorrect. Adultery was an offense that was at certain periods within Christendom punishable by death and at other times severe corporal punishment. Domestic violence is also well documented, while not looked upon fondly it was a reality of the time. Vikings takes a lot of historical liberties, but this one is at least somewhat accurate
@@romulanwarbird6600 "MAGA - her body, my choice" This is so disingenous and even intellectually dishonest. Either that, or you're just plain ignorant. No conservative Christian believes that wives are our "property". If they do, then they're lacking in their Christian beliefs, as well as their conservative beliefs. The bible itself, which is fundamentally what conservatism is based on, even states that we are equal and that the husband must treat his wife with honor. Here are some verses regarding how a husband should treat a wife and that show that we are equal in the eyes of the Lord. Romans 12:10: Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 1 Peter 3:7: In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God's gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered. Colossians 3:19: Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them. Instead of going around pushing false narratives about "MAGA", go get educated.
@@AES-256-CBC "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is his." In this verse, the woman is named in a list of things that belong to a man, similar to house, manservant, maidservant, or cattle. This reflects the patriarchal society in which the texts were written, and in which women were often considered part of a man's possessions. "To the woman he said, I will greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in pain you shall bring forth children, and your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Context: This is part of the consequences pronounced after the fall. It establishes a hierarchical relationship in which the man is portrayed as ruler over the woman. "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin and not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are caught, the man who lay with her shall give her father fifty pieces of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has defiled her; he cannot put her away all the days of his life." Context: This passage makes it clear that women were considered the father's property. The man must pay compensation and marry the woman, which then makes her his property. "If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not be set free like the male slaves. [...] If he destines her for his son, he shall give her the right of daughters." Context: Women are treated here as property that can be sold and passed on, much like other possessions. "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his house, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's." Context: Here again, the woman is mentioned in a list of the man's possessions, showing her position in the cultural context of the time. "Thus says the Lord: Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house, and I will take your wives from before your eyes, and give them to another man, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun." Context: This passage shows that women are seen as possessions that can be "passed on" from one man to another, often as punishment or revenge.
Wow i know this is a show but for Lord Bless us that reading is now normal cause while there certainly verses that say a man shall rule over his wife its funny how those same people skip that part about how a man should treat his wife as his own flesh. Medieval society i swear.
@Дирлевангер1919 Yeah, well, even into the first part of revelations, it becomes obvious from the letters to the churches that there are going to be people who go off track. Ideally, other Christians should be able to reel them in, but not even jesus expected us to be able to do it forever. The medieval church literally tried to sell salvation at one point I'm not in any way obligated to defend that.
A fair and just ruler, would leave the same markings on the husband as he left on his wife! Guys will only accuse their woman of cheating so they have an excuse to cheat on them😢
... Yeah sure, project on all of us. Guys will ONLY accuse just so they have an excuse, my ass Plenty of guys have trust issues with women. Why? Because they either cheated on them, manipulated them, treated them like crap, or all of the above and more. Do guys a favor and don't project your 'ALL guys accuse of cheating so they can cheat' crap onto those that are actually frigging normal, yeah?
I don't think that's true. It's a woman or man both would accuse their husband or wife to do such a thing. Not exclusive to men. And if someone has decided on cheating, better they get a divorce than cheat and complicate things
If anything research and recent media have taught me that Vikings were never the barbaric monsters that they were portrayed as, but actually one of the most civilised groups of people to walk the earth.
It's remarkable to see how many think that this TV-show actually reflected what was going on at that time. It's really a redo of the old "noble savage" myth, just like some people think Native Americans were "ubermench" and the whites the "untermench", in this show clearly the Anglo-Saxons are portrayed as sub-human and the Norse as some kind of lost chapter of a pure part of humanity. It make me think of the viking mockingly called "the child lover" by his kin, because he didn't like to toss babies into the air and impale them on spears. The Icelandic woman that hung herself when her husband decided to trade her with the wife of another man, "because she didn't want to be traded". Or the monk in Ireland that was gang-raped in a longship by Norwegian vikings. Personally I'm ashamed of what my ancestors did. I'm hoping one day I can visit Lindisfarne and lay down some flowers.
Ancestors in every culture did horrific things. They lived and died in harsh times. Lay flowers for your lost Ancestors because the others did just as bad. Guilt that isn't yours to carry ages and ills you.
You think anglo saxons and other cultures didnt do the same if not worse? Lmao grow up. The guilt is not yours to carry, its doubtful that you would even know whether your ancestors did those things or if they were just peasant farmers (viking was an occupation). I criticise Sweden my home all the time for their history particularly of treatment of Sámi and their allegiance to the nazi party in Germany (neutral my ass). But I am not so naive as to think the ancestors of my homeland, before it even became Sweden, were any more violent or barbaric than other nations particularly Christian nations who to this day still murder innocent civilians, spread anti semitic myths and destroy muslim countries and act like killing the children of those nations are justified because muslims are "barbaric". If you want to feel personal guilt direct it to closer in your current country's history and current actions it would be far less of a waste of time to focus on the preesent so your descendants do not need to feel the guilt for their ancestors 👍
If everyone was ashamed by what their ancestors did, we'd all be just as bad. I'm mexican, so I trace my lineage back to the Aztecs, Mayan, AND Spaniards, all three did HORRIFIC things in history. But I'm not ashamed by my ancestors, they did what they did, no excuse, but why must I feel bad that they did it? I know for a fact that some of my ancestors, not Spaniards alone, had slaves.
@@Blood_Red_2607 I am ashamed what my ancestors did when they used to be pagans, but I am certainly not ashamed for whate they did to gain freedom from the Turks and the Communists.
first of all, do you have any sources for the baby lover and the other anecdotes? never heard of those until now. they've gone a bit too far with their representation of the supposedly oh so modern vikings, sure. I do take issue with your comment being so full of loathing for your culture's history though. your ancestors weren't worse than other people's and there's no reason to be ashamed. they were products of their time and they were all absolute savages by today's standards. christians murdered their way through every land they wanted something of too, as did muslims, as did every society or group in those times that was big enough to rally enough force to be militarily significant. the thing with norse history is that the majority of records about pagan norse of the viking age was 1. written by their enemies and 2. only documenting their raids. I think they make an important point with a core of truth here: the sources we have strongly point toward these 'pagan savages' having treated women a lot more humanely (far from well but they had several rights christian women wouldn't get for centuries to come like divorcing their husbands, remarrying, refusing to marry etc.) than the supposedly civilised and pious christians
This guy, says the bible allows husband to beat his wife. Some of our pastors worked with muslim converts back in russia to stop their wife beating. Christians made the constitution btw. All freedoms you enjoy was enshrined and fought for by christians. Spinning this fact around against that same religion is nasty and grimy bro.
@HangrySaturn I mean welcome to humanity, we have been doing that, even the pagans, for a very long time before that time period, maybe they punished for different things but they still punished, and all people used to be much more merciless with their punishments.
To be fair, she's brought no evidence of her fidelity, or that this was even done by her husband to begin with. It's just he said she said in this case.
I mean, given that the husband wasn't on trial here, proving that he was the one who injured her wasn't actually relevant, but I'm curious, conceptually, how would she prove her fidelity in a case like this? Like, in a modern court, obviously, we presume innocence until guilt can be proven, but even in situations where one assumes, like "you wouldn't be here if you weren't probably guilty" in the court, what possible evidence could be provided from her side?
@@TeleologicalConsistency Not true, actually, if someone, unprompted, asks you to prove a negative you don't *generally* have a burden of proof. If you ask me to, unilaterally, prove that unicorns don't exist, there's nothing materially I can do to actually prove that, for example. And since fidelity is asking someone to prove that they did not take the action of sleeping with someone other than their husband, the only way to prove that would be to have been on camera for every minute of every day since you got married since otherwise it could've happened in the few moments you weren't on camera. It is nonsensical thing to request in this context.
@@TeleologicalConsistency Huh, I made a longer post previously, but even outside of court proceedings, proving a negative, like "never in my entire life have I taken (action X)" is not something that's considered rational to expect someone to substantiate. Like, short of a video of her, every minute of every day since she started seeing her husband, there isn't anything that could definitively "prove" that she never took any inappropriate actions. Generally speaking, even in logic, "burden of proof" comes on the person making a positive claim ("my wife cheated on me", in this example) not the null position of "no I didn't."
Every secular society has done more harm and stagnated than most religions. Take communism for example, killed more than all wars combined. And in france, the massacres of innocents in their purge of the old order. Humanism doesn't produce anything new. It just takes what's not theirs and rebrands it. The US for example was made by christians. But humanism comes in and tells everyone how much freedom it offers people when in reality it only offers a different ideology, like switching from islam to scientology. What has humanism offered in the realm of science and freedom that religion has not? Who built the first universities? Humanists, or the religious?
It's just a T.V. show. The idea is to create a false narrative that the simplest-minded people will accept in order to undermine religion, which is the formal study of right and wrong. Once they have you rejecting that, they know they can get you to believe and do anything. 15-minute cities, untested medical treatments, wearing masks, acceptance of hedonism and sexual deviancy....the big government globalists want to control you, and you are totally falling for it.
Perfect example of modern cultural revisionism in media. No, medieval Europeans did not not treat women like property that could be done with as they please. Had this situation happened in the past, the husband would be punished harshly.
The vikings respected women because they were firm believers that women are the creatures of life and the future. Because they could bring forth life and sculpt the future with how they raised their children they deserved the highest honor. Mothers were held in great esteem.
Lies. Were did you see this? On a meme? Vikings were rapist and murders. There was no just to them. They had many slave women. People take history from other cultures and put it on a white history meme and now everyone believes it 😂
Yea…Islam says something similar as they upload their latest woman beating town hall, random dudes will ride up and get a couple cane hits in. Yet ironically, western woman have welcomed countless men from countries where rape is barely a crime. Every other day you see the consequences of that in the news. What stops shitty dudes, is good dudes, but ideologues paint with a broad brush….then preach about not judging people.
Not quite right. History tells us that the more involved women are in work the better they are treated. This is true across a vast amount of time and civilizations. For the Vikings, women had to tend to the house, kids, and farms when the men left. Therefore they were given a lot of freedom and rights to reflect the level of responsibility. Vs in England at the time, women normally tended to the home and children whilst the men worked. Given that women naturally then would hold no debt, owe no taxes, and had little responsibilities, they were more restricted due to the lower level of responsibilities.
So we're just going to skip over all the raping and pillaging they did everywhere else they went? GTFO
@davidirvine3066 though both of these ardent claims speak with an absolute certainty, they also overlook the fact that all history is written with the bias of the author built in and is therefore at best a 'perspective' of history and not the thing itself to be quoted as absolute.
But in all societies since the beginning it is the practices of the previous generation that influence the next and on and on. In every society the respect of their women was either increased or decreased over time by the examples set of the few and then followed by the many. Quite a few civilizations branded their women as property for centuries at a time simply because no man would stand up for them against the crowd( and it generally takes many men to make a change considering the 1/3's law)
Even those times that did stand for women often didn't last long on their own because it's always easier to take the path of least resistance when you're younger because experience is lacking to remind you of the consequences. So when you're young, you either learn to trust someone wiser than you and grow from that path, or you don't have that and learn everything on 1rsthand experience and grow from that. Millenniums of humans mistreated women because no one took the time yet to realize what life could be like in a world shared by equals. Only now are we on the cusp of what that could look like, and still conversations like these just prove that we don't yet know how brilliant we could be as am absolute one instead of still two halves squabbling against itself!
Her husband scarred her for life. While the King wouldn’t permit her to be publicly branded, there wasn’t a punishment for what the husband did to her face.
@mtldrgnthomas8174 sure there is, didn't the husband willfully admit that he beat her because she was unfaithful so he could get her face branded? That means he admit to it.
@@mtldrgnthomas8174sure he could, he’s the dern king, and he’s not an idiot.
@livingroomtelevision3737 to be fair, the husband isn't there to defend himself, and it's not considered acceptable to judge him in his absence. He may provide proof in the future to dispute the verdict, and the woman may seek retribution. But, the husband would have the right to petition the king, the same as her regardless of who's lying.
@@mtldrgnthomas8174 What? The husband already said why he beat her and requested her be branded for her alleged infidelity.
The husband should have been branded.
Everyone skipping over that she's already been branded for life.
That’s right 😮
Those wounds will heal, may have lost her eye but we saw what being branded for life is actually like. That scar would never heal
The marks were unfortunately commonplace, but accepted, the brand was a mark of shame that would cause her to be shunned by all, unlike the marks of being beaten
Nobody skipped anything. The retribution already received was private & within any man's right if the adultery was true (regardless of whether it's justified), albeit nowhere near such brutality would've been tolerable even under their archaic laws, but the branding was intended to be a public display to instill fear in the collective population of females, & to publicly notify who the adulterer was, & seemingly give the betrayed males a sense of justice. As usual, people utterly skip over loyalty to males in favor of utterly useless females in the United States of America & those mentally manipulated by them worldwide.
#SMH
See there’s a big difference, those are wounds, they can come from anything, and no one would immediately know what it was without some knowledge or intuition,
The branding is purposefully meant to be a recognized symbol for something, if you see it yk it. Even if it heals it leaves a recognizable mark. The king here recognized that
Athlestan was one of my favourite characters in The Vikings
*"I am King Ecgberht"*
Me too.
Me too
"Not in every case"... What a humble reply.
Literally in every case .
Paganism is vastly more moral and good than Christianity could ever be
Hence why everything about Jesus is based on paganism
He is talking to the king...
@@TavynAvyn Is this bait or is your mental ineptitude akin to a Reddit toddler
@@Grunk_762Tbf he’s not entirely wrong. Many holidays were appropriated for one thing.
@@TheMandaloreFett Including the birth of Christ. If you read the Bible, Jesus was born in the early autumn, during the Harvest time. His birth was moved to December 25 to be near the time when the Pagans celebrate the birth of their God, which happens on the Winter Solstice. In fact, the term Yule, was the literal Pagan name for the holiday celebrating the birth of the Pagan God. Yet we now see it associated with Christmas. So, the most important holiday to Christians is literally a renamed Pagan holiday.
Her husband pretty much already branded her by disfiguring her and she still must live with him, some justice she’s got ...
Actually the branding would’ve been even worse than the scars . That mark left by the branding would’ve made her shunned since she would be known as an adulterer. As horrible as this looks at least she got saved from publicly being shamed .
Stop with the emenist horse shite. It's a show.
The branding they are mentioning is not just marking
It is taking a hot iron with a specific design and branding initials into her flesh , like Cowboys would do for a cow or a horse
@@goodadvice7305It’s a sick world. 😢
Hopefully she feeds him lots of appleseeds.
She deserve a long hug.
/nod
And a better husband + theraphy😔💔
No she doesn’t. She must have done it said something to make him believe she was being unfaithful
later on in this episode u catch a glimpse that hints at otherwise
@@thevoid98052 I'm assuming she was actually unfaithful? Not that that justifies what her husband did.
"All the history I read is from fiction books" the show
Lol right. I love how they always try to make Christianity seem monstrous
I don't know, this scene portrayed the thought of Saxon society rather accurately.
I guess they didn't raid churches or temples for easy loot then, thanks for the factual information.
@Дирлевангер1919 you say that while the witch trials are depicted as an attack on woman when almost none of them were even killed.
@@ziggenplays1208 butsome where. The only thing I would question is "women". Witch is gender neutral term and yes, men were also killed for witchcraft
As a king, the respect you have for another, westher its a man or woman, shows how you are as a ruler.
Whomp whomp
@Loralanthalas clearly you know nothing with your low IQ response
Respect is something that is earned over a long period of time and based off of a person's actions.
The king's known her for what 4 seconds and the only thing he's heard of her actions is she might be a adulterer.
He didn't give her respect, he gave her pity and let her off of possible additional punishments by declaring that he's not going to bother to look into it.
She won the lottery, it had nothing to do with respect.
@raymisuto9872 your missing the point being made
😂
Im happy Athelstan was there he really learned alot from Ragnar
It was sad after he was killed
And Ragnar alot from him. His death was the cause of Ragnars downfall.
@@sakseter89and Floky did It 🤦🏻♀️ what a mess... Floky Is lucky he did not realize what he did to ragnar
Some Pagan cultures saw women as equals to men, even their husbands, and had the same protections
Now I see why they were attacked.
And some had human sacrifice. I see now why they were attacked
Some skinned people. Now I see attacked while they were.
So that’s why pagans lost.
I can't think about any historic pagan culture with such level of equality, but at the end of the day I'm not a historian.
Vikings surely didn't had that level of equality. Women have more rights than christian women, which arguably wasn't hard to beat, but it wasn't even close to a men rights.
God just this glimpse is enough to imagine centuries of pain women have had to go through it’s heartbreaking.
And many still do today, depending on where you live.
lmao the batshit crazy feminists are here
Athelstan looks like the scariest preast 😅
I think that’s cause he’s a king x
@@EmmaDewberrymaybe😮
You’re right
Priest?
He's a mini Rasputin!
My advice to anyone watching historical movies: read the history first, be aware of the historical context then watch the movie with a grain of salt.
Name of the movie??
Exactly
@@CKC298context the movie is full of shit.
@@aarifeen313 Vikings tv show, its wonderful.
I read the history of Mohammad and know that his first wife khadeeja was twice widowed and inherited all wealth before Islam. After Islam none of Mohammad many wives were able to remarry or inherit their share wholelly. Salty enough?
This was such a good show. Great actors, great scrips, exciting time period.
What's the name of this show ? Please, and thanks !
Vikings
It's just hollywood PROPAGANDA
Good show, great actor, great scripts, WHERE IN HISTORY ARE THEY IF THEY GOT THIS IDEALS OF THE PEOPLE AND THAT ARMOR????
@@Revivalism23 aren't most movies. It's movies theyre made they're watched. That's what the world does. Doesn't matter reality or not. All movies are for entertainment. Unless it's a true documentary
Adultery was almost always impermissible for a woman, and according to the laws of some Viking provincial law codes, if a husband caught his wife in the act of adultery, he could legally kill both her and her lover.
While whipping of adulterous wives was still imposed in some thirteenth-century cases judged by Church courts, penance, contrition, and fines prevailed by the fourteenth. At the Pope's court of justice in fourteenth-century Avignon, adulterers were solely sentenced to a fine.
Thank You for this information.
Adultery was seen as a worse crime than murder for both the man and the woman.
That's actually an awesome law
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Theft was also punishable by death, as was poaching. Killing a man was punished by paying the widow the lost wages the man would have earned.
since they share finances, sounds like the victim would end up paying the fine.
Damn, they really skipped over the part of the Bible where it says the wife belongs to the husband AND THE HUSBAND BELONGS TO THE WIFE
Such a text didnt exist in the year 800's and even after creation and still to this day is barely recognized by Christians today.
@@Vakaria-playsPaul’s letters date to the first century, so they most definitely did exist during this time period
@@Vakaria-playsyes it did and actual historians would not agree with you.
It's quite common in several parts of history for people to believe women were treated worse than they do in foreign countries or in the past and to judge based on that, we're in such an era for the last 50 years at least
It only says the husband belongs to the wife in the marriage bed. All this clarifies is that unreasonable “deprivation” is sinful because that is the only person they’re allowed to have that experience with. In 1 Peter it even says to call your husband Lord.
This was one of THE BEST SHOWS MADE... VIKINGS..
Only the first few seasons, after Athelstan was killed then Ragnar it just got stupid
Please don't think this show was historically accurate. It made us cringe.
This particular scene, in all its ridiculousness, can only come from some "woke" mind that doesn't know anything about history. And now it's taught you a bunch of misconceptions about history, or misinformation which is the current fad word. Still, the kings performance was enjoyable.
@@TheAccidentalViking History is boring. Ofc we don't think so
Thank you for the name of this
movie 🍿🍿❤
@Linus Roache gives all through the series an outstanding portrayal of King Ecbert. Warrior, politician, statesman, philosopher, justice seeker, truly truly a one of a king actor!
The Purifier in Chronicles of Riddick
I agree. My favourite scenes were when he and Travis Fimmel were having conversations or celebrating together.
@@sharonvincent1427 I think my favorite scene is when he is in church and he shouts and the crucifix - your kingdom is one of haven, my kingdom is on earth!
I knew I recognized him. Wasn't sure at first. Yes, he is a phenomenal actor.
Ken Barlow's son. 😊😊😊
Was the woman Lady Edith?
"Surly he is fit to do with her as he sees fit"
Insane this was and still is considered common logic in some places.
Still is sadly
Even in Medival ages, men were punished as much as women did, for cheating, stealing, murdering etc. Sometimes, women were punished less than men for the same crime. It's just mass media that creates images that in the past woman were slaves and males were their owners
It's what conservatives want to bring back to the US. They're pretty enthusiastic about it, too.
@@trevellyann you're wrong. And disillusioned.
@@trevellyann Trump did not do any of such things in his las presidency what makes you think he will do it now? ntm he is the one who takes US military from Ukraine and Israel. Idk about you but as someone from Greece I am glad he is president again and that we are spared from a WW3 for another few years.
"He has every right over her, to do as he pleases" That's some of the sickest words ever uttered!
And that is what some people pushing for, using Women like a tool🤮.
You mean Christianity ? Not everyday people lmao learn who your enemies are , or speak and make more lol
Lmao. The king is following Christian laws. 🤣🤣🤣
Meh
You do know he is a viking king and the pagan there is a christian. Lol the irony.
Vikings was such a good show
That wasn't from Vikings.
Good series though historically inaccurate.
@@Cailean_MacCoinnich it is from vikings
@@guneytopal1713 some moments were historically accurate, but they obviously had to dramatise most of the show for entertainment purposes
@ some moments were inspired by historical events but no moment is historically accurate. For instance, the sack of Lindisfarne never involved Ragnar or anyone in the show, the whole Paris/fake death situation was actually about Harald Hardrada, etc. the fact that the timeline and the mixed and matched characters in the series means there is no historically accurate moment. Just historically inspired.
Cupidity- need to use this term somehow 😂
Don't, the word cupidity doesn't match the context. Probably misspoke by the actor, they didn't catch it while shooting (or maybe at all). Most people won't know that word, but it was like nails on a chalkboard when I heard him say it in that scene.
"He has provided no evidence of your cupidity."
Cupidity means "greed for money or possessions."
What should have been said is, "He has provided no evidence of your culpability."
Culpability means "responsibility for a fault or wrong; blame."
@ oh I just thought it sounded different and funny to use. But yeah thanks for the explanation
Me too
@@toddmiller5322 Cupidity also means lustful
@@toddmiller5322 it does match for the time period portrayed. At that time infidelity was part of materialism in the more original sense of being focused on the material world rather than the spiritual world. Infidelity in a Christian society was considered materialistic, and cupidity was used for a selfish focus on the material world. Specifically in this setting, St Augustine used it frequently for “sinful desires” including sexual lust, or “concupiscentia” so it would be correct for a regent of that time.
As Ecbert was a student and promoter of the Carolingian Renaissance which promoted Augustine’s works he would be quite familiar with the material and the application if cupiditas to all selfish material world desires.
What Athelstan says is true. I can only confirm it, as a Dane 🇩🇰 one of the descendants of those you call pagan.
In our old Scandinavian viking age. Were free women (not thall / slave) equal worth as free man. The free women had rights and laws to portect them.
Beside women in our vikings age where the head of the family along with her husband. And solo leader when he went on viking.
- Married women, the housewives was leader of their families wealth, children, animals and thralls.
- Women could get devorce, in any case if their husbandz abuised, attacked or cheated on them.
- Women could inherit land and power.
Have titels of power, along with having their own fighting men at her call.
(Our frist united Danish Queen Thyra was such a woman. She even said to have a great host or army.)
One of our most beloved, powerfull and worshiped Gods was the Goddess, called Freja / Freya. A woman.
Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour turn away from your pagan beliefs in Jesus name amen repent amen amen 🙏🏿
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oh, shut up.
"pagan" wasn't a pejorative. it simply meant "non-christian".
When he did not show proof of cheating, the ask for punishment in public is not right.
I think so
We women were property in the past
Old days (Not that long ago for the west and certainly current for most people in the planet) were way different than our modern western society.
@@LovesGaming37not only women, most of the populace the peasnt and the slaves were property for most of the time.
@@LovesGaming37not in pagan cultures, not in Celtic Britain
same actor that played Bruce Wayne's dad in Batman Begins
He also plays a district attorney in Law & Order as well!
yes! 😁
Interestingly enough, many Anglo-Saxon tribes, particularly as far as Wessex and Mercia, gave women significant rights. Nowhere near as much as a man, but far more than they would experience once Normans took over. Mercia even had female rulers at various points. And that can trace back to the pre-Anglo-Saxon Britons.
Now thats a Good King and Good Judge....World needs Kings and Judges like King Ecbert.
Are you saying he is/was good because he followed a non-christian logic while judging ?
The dude allowed his daughter in law to be publicly mutilated in order to cover up the affair he had with her.
We have a King ! His name is Jesus Christ .
Bs
No mostly kings are like that they were not really binded by the religion but uses the religion to control the people some times religious institutions took control of them in the world but not as much as the present time because mostly they had to know that basic things about it.
There are serious misconceptions about conjugal violence and the rights of women in medieval christian societies. In reality, given the extent of her injuries, even IF she had cheated, she would have been entitled to separation and reparation. Men didn't have a right to "do as they see fit with their wife". They had a duty to discipline members of their household (all of them. A wife, child, or even adult brother that happened to live under their roof), because they were considered legally responsible for their household. Still archaic, but an important distinction. And the degree of discipline was determined. No lasting mark was to be left. In fact, there are even archives that show that in some places, the local priest determined the severity of the blows, and once it was pronounced, the husband couldn't avoid doling out the punishment, even if he did abhor it.
Can you show your source for that information?
@@penelopehayward3631 The "Decretum", a 12th century ecclesiastical Gratian Law text.
"Domestical Duties" by William Gouge (1622, a bit late. The man was a bit ahead of his time and diverging from commonly accepted catholic and protestant rule, considering violence against one's spouse a complete no-no, but the book was extremely popular, which shows a social attitude was falling in line behind the premise).
"Domestic violence and Rough Justice in Star Chamber" is a good read. It's a story from 1612 that mixes fiction and a merging of several court cases regarding domestic violence.
Humbert of Romans (1277) preached about women being equal, and he was quite popular in France. Johannes Herolt (end of the 15th century) was ok with wife-beating, but described how it was to "remain within reason", and outlined "good practices".
When expanding the view, in terms of clear rights afforded to women, they had it better during the middle-ages compared to the Victorian era. All shit compared to today, absolutely, but the "proper lady with a nice dress" from 19th century England had it worse than a 1316 girl.
They have to keep the perpetual victimhood mentality alive somehow. Movies and TV shows are great for it. Just look at the rest of the comment section
Oh c'mon, a poetic license was taken to tell a story, a harmless intentional departure from the facts, nothing more 😌
@@ChameleoSalamander1Women don't have to invent injustices against themselves, they simply exist. These shows are written by men, dork.
They still need to punish the husband's actions ! Absolving her from being branded is merely saving her from another injustice, while Egbert's job is to see justice done !
This was justice then. You realize until the *1970's* women couldn't have a bank account or take out loans or refuse sex to their husbands?
@@maiarobinson3931 I know the laws/rules. I'm just calling bullshit on them. Pagans had a lot of good reasons to fight against the encroachment of christianity. In many ways it was it took society backward. Later, after the Black Plague, the Church plunged Europe into centuries of ignorance and worse.
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Not in christianity,,and in these times christianity had same or equal power as the king or even more-,,soo in the bible a man can do what ever he wishes with hes wife,as long as he doesn sleep with other woman,then can hes wife divorce the man,,anything else he can do what ever.
@@maiarobinson3931 The husband did nothing wrong by scarring her like that? You must be kidding...
As a Pagan, I absolutely loved this scene.
I missed Athelstan in this show!! He was an amazing character and so is the king here. This show was one of the better ones I've ever seen whether true or not I don't care it was just a very good show. Even if your wife's unfaithful You should not do that unless she gave you AIDS or something like that. I haven't had the advantage of my life of being able to beat the living hell out of a lot of guys that are abusive and I've had the thanks of hundreds of grateful women just for getting the guy off of them and giving the man a taste of their own medicine. I can't believe how rampant this actually really is still
I don’t think even laying your hands on someone over a disease is the correct answer. A person could not be in the know about their own body yet, the most common symptom for STDs is no symptoms. I don’t think I trust your judgement when it comes to sensitive matters
@@baumeister5705im with u
when the talks of him spouting “ i have a thanks of hundreds women”
im kinda doubt of his true intentions
@@KhmerTarotReading right ?!? I thought that was weird too, like if a person has to exaggerate their good deed was it a good deed to begin with?
part of the problem is women dating men at all. They should stop for a few decades and men might finally appreciate their worth. Too many women are raised to 'tolerate' not liberate themselves. There are often signs before physical abuse happens. Kindness is underrated but it's so important. Does he laugh at other's misfortunes, does he lack empathy? Is he immature.
Nah. Cause not dating men ever even if your straight and want a good partner only makes sense if you say all men are bad. And that obviously isn't true.
Context: the TV show is called “Vikings”. The “pagan” next to the king is called athelstan. Athelstan was a christian monk who was enslaved by vikings & taken to norway. He was made a free man by their new earl Ragnar lothbrok after the okd one was dethroned & he ends up becoming a viking himself, now believing in pagan (norse) gods such as odin, thor, freyja, etc
During a raid on england, ragnar’s hold becomes under attack & ragnar lets athelstan stay behind to continue raiding while he leaves to defend his hold. While raiding athelstan is captured, nailed to a cross w/ a crown of thorns like jesus was & about to die, but was spared by the king who sees athelstan as a “spiritual man” & seeks his advisement on matters such as what the video shows
I loved this show so much. Favourite characters are Floki and Lagertha and Ivar the boneless. His death was truly the best one.
It's a TV show?
@@philpalmer4877 Vikings, so good.
Tobhell with Floki. He killed the dude's best friend.
pfff Ivar's death aint the best it doesnt even come close to Bjorn Ironside's death.
Those were my faves too! I really liked Helga and Torvi too!
Man, in the Icelandic sagas if a woman got upset with her husband she'd just walk out, go back to her family's home and say she was divorced now. In some cases she'd say "That bastard did X to me, anyone want to kill him?"
The downside: When they did, sometimes it started a vendetta.
Remember Vikings the show is 97% fictional
Nope , christian people used to do this
Remember, Calvary Chapel's movie "Jesus Revolution" was admitted to be 99% fictional by Greg Laurie himself. Odinists aren't Asatru, "Christian Nationalists" aren't Christian
Much like the bible. 😉
@@мк_Пять.СорокПять How very edgy of you!
Linus Roache is the man. He will be in huge movies in the future. Him and Javier Bardem. I hope i live long enough to see their superior acting roles.
They both have already been in huge movies. They're both high rated actors. Future movies won't make them what they already are.
Javier Bardem's been in massive movies for years. Including mega-series like James Bond and Pirates of the Caribbean - not to mention masterpieces like No Country, which won 4 Academy Awards and 2 Golden Globes.
Linus Roache was on Law & Order and SVU. He was in The Chronicles of Riddick movie and Batman Begins. And that’s to name a few.
I think Javier Bardem is a great actor. My only concern is whether he is going to use his 'stardom' for leftist propaganda like some of the other 'stars.'
@vegasilkit I don't know about Javiers politics. Seeing as he is not from America originally I doubt he gets carried away like we all did. I just know that whenever native americans had problems with the government it was Hollywood actors that came and stood beside them. The weirdness of their personal lives didn't matter. Wounded Knee, Keystone Pipeline, A.I.M. agenda. I would suspect if there was some small group being treated bad there would be actors standing up for them.
Athelstan looking like rasputin lite over here
Scandinavians at the time would have likely held a trial in front of a lawgiver (and not the lord very important) who’d look at the case objectively in theory. But both would have to give testimony and bring evidence so definitely better than early medieval Britain
The king made an informed decision on what was right! He had already made his decision before pronouncing it and by using the old laws of the land, which he deemed appropriate for this case!
This is such bs. Men think they are all kings
@@ar4122 and women all think they are queens and 10s. shall we discuss the judgement of this man or rather talk more nonsense ?
@@mrmurdog100 incel
@@ar4122he IS THE KING, tf are you on about, imma just assume your one of theirs sexist “women” who hate all men😊
It helps that in the future his descendent is a law and order Assistant District Attorney and Prosecutor.
How could someone be so cruel to someone that they are supposed to love...
Back then, and honestly until the 1840s, women were married not out of love (or any kind of attraction) but as a symbol of uniting the wealth and benefits of families. Marriage was nothing more than a property transaction in the attempt to continue stability into the next generation. (this is why so many countries did arrange marriages).
@@andrewhdemarest False, fake news. Women married for security for themselves and/or family security. Marriage benefits the women and child. Was there rare cases? Of course, with powerful kings emperors dictators and it's just like nowadays. It's not the norm, but there are people doing evil.
Because their book justified their actions.
(They couldn't read it, they just remembered hearing a few passages that reinforced their actions.)
Although a show, this stuff happened & happens irl & why I am sure aliens have quarantined us: _"Stay away from lil blue planet, inhabitants are primitive, quite cruel to one another and rather unusually stupid"_
We’re probably the planet where they roll their windows up and lock the doors when they fly by.
Sounds logical . . .
We are definitely quarantined. With all the trillions of planets to choose from why would aliens want to come to a polluted, overcrowded planet with lots of violent people.
Not everywhere
@@arsVegas Alien embassies had their citizens evacuated from this rock a looooong time ago.
And thus I have been called to rewatch this series for the 10th time haha damnit 😂
I know people don’t like this show bcz it’s historically inaccurate but knowing this- it’s just a show- so enjoy it and don’t be a stick in the mud.
The real king of all that series. A very very wise man indeed
😬🥴
Fun fact: Christian laws don't give you absolute power over your wife
Ever heard of the ten commandments?
Whatever kind of supression towards others you want to do, there is always some bible verse that you can read to make it "legal"..
@@gudfarfarmeanwhile Norse pagan religion had almost no moral laws. There was no pagan religious law against raping and killing
That’s correct, they don’t. Read the Bible. “Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up her.” We are to cherish our wives and die for them if necessary. Not in some weak, passive manner as is often in USA, but certainly not as a tyrant. A strong wife makes her husband stronger so long as she doesn’t try to rule over him (also as is too common in USA), but works together towards the same goal.
@@TheLevantin clearly you are very uneducated. Here you go:
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
It's a show, kids.
Don't get your history lessons from a show.
Yes it's a show people want to be entertained duh, but the show is based on many historical figures that did exist in history.
@@georgina1848 Having the names of historical characters still does not make it "historical" in the sense that it's portraying anything accurately at all.
Vikings actually greatly respected their wifes and women, as they were the ones that took care of the family and house while they were out at sea for sometimes months.
Except that really didn’t happen in history. In fact what would actually happen is if the town found out the husband was beating his wife, they would publicly punish him.
Conversely, if they found out a wife was beating her husband… they would punish the husband for letting it happen.
No usual in Europe or damn Russia man still beats women everywhere and many has no punishment for it in Muslim countries and families worst
Have you heard of undeadchronicXIV
Maybe that's true but what's also true is women have been experiencing male violence for all of human history and most of it went unpunished. Even last century you had women going to police and them simply refusing to do anything about it because they saw it as something her husband had a right to do. In other places it was prosecuted. You can't paint the entire world and all of history with one brush
Proof?
@@ametrineambrosia4929 of course. It was a shaming ritual and punishment called “Charivari”. Used in medieval Europe. In England, they had something very similar to that called “Rough Music”.
It was used to punish men for beating their wives. And like I said, it was also used against men who allowed themselves to be beaten by their wives.
Even in America, it was practiced until around the mid-20th century.
i love how just cuz he hangs with Pagan, his automatically a pagan.
Well he did start to believe in the pagan gods. He was later in a dilemma because he believed that both Jesus and Odin are both Gods
@@Casperrvfx and that is why, he has more insight, cuz of the new perspective. and that makes him wiser.
he was a pagan at this time …he was caught raiding andhad been branded
@@CasperrvfxI highly recommend reading into this (if you want of course) as I found it really cool. There was a time when the Norse mixed the two, in fact the Norse already believe Jesus was a god but a weak one that’s why the Old Testament was used to convert northern pagans because that demonstrates the real strength of god but for a time Nordic countries believe Jesus to be one of Odin’s sons and it was in fact Odin whom returned him to earth for only a moment (the resurrection). Of course this didn’t last long but it’s really cool how it was for a very brief moment in time merged as one
@@kaihiggins725 Don't want to offend anyone but Christianity is probably the most corrupt religion out there. It keeps changing and adding new content as if it's a new update. In the first 300 years of Christianity Jesus wasn't even believed to be God at all
I really liked King Ecbert in the Vikings - unusual ending to his reign
Most Holy Trinity, have mercy on us. Amen.🙏
give this girl a hug
What season & episode is this?
Vikings was a badass show. I need to watch it again.
Is it all similar to this clip? Will I learn about pagan laws if I watched it? Or is it mostly battles and fighting?
@@Saturn57 you get to hear uuuuuuhuuohh, if sum tim sum i will love you uuuhuahh
Anyone noticed that the king Touched her face to see if she would fall for unfaithfull behavior. Great direction.
I always liked the Old Testament with the "Eye for an Eye" as being just.
That’s the Hammurabi code not the Old Testament, please please stop being stupid. It’s embarrassing enough to be American without the rest of yall trying to seem intelligent when you are not
Besides the Viking culture treated women far better than the Christian’s. They had problems with Christian women running away to be with Viking men because of better social treatment and justice. Like omfg you’re literally so uneducated
@@imisstheoldinternet
Where'd you "learn" that?!
It wasn't that you must take an eye for an eye, it was
You may Not take any "More" than.
It set a limit to punishment
@@METVWETV literal history books? Antiquity is mad fascinating bruh. There was a lot of major laws under Babylon and it was far more complex than eye for an eye. But it’s still not from the Old Testament at all. So idk why you’re the one acting like I’m an uneducated hick lmao
Justice is universal. Application of goodness should not know limits.
This comment section is filled with people whos knowledge about history is based on fantasy novels and inaccurate historical sources like Ceasar:-D Stop arguing about crap you know nothing about, read texts from historians and then you can argue. Vikings is a fantasy show, historically its a pile of crap. HOWGH, I SPOKE
Easy tiger. We just don’t know.
Teach us
Shut up! You're ruining the comment section for me.
Ah another AH comment complaining instead of teaching anything productive, wonderful
Omg calm down! We all know its a show and a very enjoyable one.
Vikings was truly nice guys as it is stated in this show, which is obviously a historical proof.
Well....good thing she wasn't branded phew what a relief.
👍😥
yup. Branding was no fun. She would be forever shunned and so would the children.
What is the name of this show ?
it's called "the men who went raiding"
Vikings :)
The show is called Vikings. Not sure what season this is those would be at least season 2
@Disboidre thank you !
Fun Hollywood stuff, but missing the mark of actual ancient justice
Well, this is the medieval period, not ancient times.
He was such an amazing king
Actually, the Bible demands the husband to satisfy every need of the wife and to give his life to her. In return the wife should love and respect her husband. Sadly less than 5% of my so called Christian neighbors would even intentionally try to finish reading the Bible.
Viking women could divorce just because, could christian women?
@ having to divorce whether you’re a man or a woman is upsetting in the first place. I think the issue we often overlooked is how men don’t value their women in so many societies. Look, many raiders in ancient time take pride in murders and raping women too… not sure if this is a society I would want to be a part of.
Don't mind theae propagandists and history revisionists
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 that isn’t true of norse marriage practices. While marriage was secular, both still had to have a specific cause, not just because they wanted to.
The only time a divorce not in grounds was allowed was if both parties agreed. Norse laws and customs were public and aimed at promoting social order, and a one sided non-justifiable divorce was not considered part of that order.
Not quite the translation, but close enough for the internet.
Pagans are your ANCESTORS and so are WE😊
There are good reasons that we left paganism.
In better gets in that chimps or your cousins
The great Apes are your great-great. Great, great, great. Great. Great. Great day. The back grandparents
Pagan life is not in your genetic make up!! You need to go back to school! I , and you , do not pass down in our blood, any kind of such nonsence ! Get an education ..its free, Don't you know how to READ ? THIS IS THE RUIN OF ALL MAN, STUPIDITY.
If you believe paganism is the way - you need to study more.
Watching Hollywood entertainment doesn't count.
Until you realise the "pagan" here is the Christian and the king a viking.
When they killed my boy, I quit the show. Athelstan was what made the show for me. His friendship with ragnor was something special
He was the spiritual character as Floki was the fanatic. Damn we could write an essay about each character and how they complete each other by giving two sides of spirituality.
What show is this, ?
I hate ppl like you who spoil stuff under irrelevant videos. No one asked.
The evil done to others by men and then blamed on GOD is truly evil!
Hollywood has so much miss information in the shows and the funny thing is people take it as historical facts 🤣🤣🤣
Mongols held women in high regard as well, despite the notoriety. Women arguably held higher authority than a man in the household. Since women held the household economy and most decisions, while husbands were mostly soldiers.
The man the myth, and one of the worst in history himself had a child that was not his. Never said anything to the queen who was diddy’d. And never restricted the child with anything, he was his child.
That PAGAN is the Winter Soldier. Change my mind
different actor.
@mboaz4730 yes. That's the joke. r/whoosh
he does look like him omg
Who is he?@@mboaz4730
Return to sender 100 fold
If someone did something like this to my sister......they will never be found....regardless of who they are. I bow down to no man, no man's law and definitely not royalty.
Bro stop lying you wouldn't do jack shizz😂
Yes get would because you'd just cry and be a baby
@@Tailssonic1999x LOL, last time I cried, I was like 7 years old, After that I never cried. Emotionally dead people is cry free.
@JohanlastZa That's unhealthy
@@Tailssonic1999x Why? Because modern society told you so? To express your feelings so everyone must know what you are feeling and to do what about it exactly? Be nicer to you because you are having a bad day emotionally? You dont miss something you dont have. Some people express their sadness by crying (for some reason) and some dont. I dont let emotion dictate my well being. I am emotionally happy because I am free of the emotions that cripple people. I feel sad and happy but I dont let the negative things in life dictate to me. When you stub your toe, it hurts, get over it. That is the same with any other emotion. People who can not control their emotions are just bags of frustration and medical bills waiting to happen...and the thing that tickles me, is that they want everyone around them feel with them. No thanks.
I love this show but the historical inaccuracies killed it for me.
Its a tiny reminder that: We take secularism for granted.
Secularism is stupid and against man's nature.
What is this show? Where can i watch it?
Vikings on Netflix
@BartekJestem25 thanks :]
This scene is a complete fabrication designed to make Christians look bad. Shame on the writers for either their historical inaccuracies at best or outright discrimination against Christians at worst.
For the record, hitting women is unacceptable and no man should ever do it. Ironically, Christians didn’t inflict physical pain on adulterers, likely because their founder emphasized forgiveness and "turning the other cheek." Meanwhile, Viking sagas and historical accounts suggest unfaithful wives could face violent punishment, including death, though these practices were never codified.
I enjoyed this series when it first came out, but wow, it really jumped the shark. Remember when Ivar was rolling around in the mud in a Viking wheelchair with wooden off-road tires? Completely ridiculous-wheelchairs wouldn’t be invented for another 800 years.
But who needs facts when emotions sell the story, right?
tbf it isnt a historical documentary, however i do still find it quite funny when these movies and shows depict christianity in such a way, where it ISNT ironic and you can tell the show writers genuinely believe this.
oh well, what can u do i guess.
There is sparse evidence of very rudimentary chairs with wheels around the period and documented evidence of wheeled mobility aids in china well before anything in Europe so... unlikely but possible.
As for the Christian stuff, flat out incorrect. Adultery was an offense that was at certain periods within Christendom punishable by death and at other times severe corporal punishment. Domestic violence is also well documented, while not looked upon fondly it was a reality of the time.
Vikings takes a lot of historical liberties, but this one is at least somewhat accurate
"Are pagan laws superior to our laws"? Yes king Ecbert. Yes they are. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No
That some people still consider a wife as property is utterly beyond me…
MAGA - her body, my choice.
Any woman who voted for Trump will get no sympathy from me.
@@romulanwarbird6600
"MAGA - her body, my choice"
This is so disingenous and even intellectually dishonest. Either that, or you're just plain ignorant.
No conservative Christian believes that wives are our "property". If they do, then they're lacking in their Christian beliefs, as well as their conservative beliefs. The bible itself, which is fundamentally what conservatism is based on, even states that we are equal and that the husband must treat his wife with honor.
Here are some verses regarding how a husband should treat a wife and that show that we are equal in the eyes of the Lord.
Romans 12:10: Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.
1 Peter 3:7: In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God's gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered.
Colossians 3:19: Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
Instead of going around pushing false narratives about "MAGA", go get educated.
@@AES-256-CBC "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is his."
In this verse, the woman is named in a list of things that belong to a man, similar to house, manservant, maidservant, or cattle. This reflects the patriarchal society in which the texts were written, and in which women were often considered part of a man's possessions.
"To the woman he said, I will greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in pain you shall bring forth children, and your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."
Context: This is part of the consequences pronounced after the fall. It establishes a hierarchical relationship in which the man is portrayed as ruler over the woman.
"If a man finds a girl who is a virgin and not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are caught, the man who lay with her shall give her father fifty pieces of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has defiled her; he cannot put her away all the days of his life."
Context: This passage makes it clear that women were considered the father's property. The man must pay compensation and marry the woman, which then makes her his property.
"If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not be set free like the male slaves. [...] If he destines her for his son, he shall give her the right of daughters."
Context: Women are treated here as property that can be sold and passed on, much like other possessions.
"You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his house, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."
Context: Here again, the woman is mentioned in a list of the man's possessions, showing her position in the cultural context of the time.
"Thus says the Lord: Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house, and I will take your wives from before your eyes, and give them to another man, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun."
Context: This passage shows that women are seen as possessions that can be "passed on" from one man to another, often as punishment or revenge.
@@romulanwarbird6600 Bro fell for the fkin dmb nick fuentes meme lol
@@romulanwarbird6600 Nick Fuentes is hardly representative of MAGA. Try again.
Plot twist she 💯 was unfaithful 😂😂
Seriously tho 😐
Even an unfaithful person doesn’t deserve this. And probably she was forced to marriage in the first place.
What show is this?
Vikings.
Damn good show!
Wasn't he also the guy that let his son cut off his wife's ear because she had been "unfaithful" 😅❤
Wow i know this is a show but for Lord Bless us that reading is now normal cause while there certainly verses that say a man shall rule over his wife its funny how those same people skip that part about how a man should treat his wife as his own flesh. Medieval society i swear.
Finally, a Christian who understands the factor of illiteracy and doesn't try to paint the past in a bright light to propagate his doctrine.
@Дирлевангер1919 Yeah, well, even into the first part of revelations, it becomes obvious from the letters to the churches that there are going to be people who go off track. Ideally, other Christians should be able to reel them in, but not even jesus expected us to be able to do it forever. The medieval church literally tried to sell salvation at one point I'm not in any way obligated to defend that.
A fair and just ruler, would leave the same markings on the husband as he left on his wife! Guys will only accuse their woman of cheating so they have an excuse to cheat on them😢
... Yeah sure, project on all of us.
Guys will ONLY accuse just so they have an excuse, my ass
Plenty of guys have trust issues with women. Why?
Because they either cheated on them, manipulated them, treated them like crap, or all of the above and more.
Do guys a favor and don't project your 'ALL guys accuse of cheating so they can cheat' crap onto those that are actually frigging normal, yeah?
Do you know any women at all? A fair percentage of cheaters of both sexes. To believe otherwise would be proclaiming yourself a fool.
Different era. She, sadly was on trial for more punishment. Her husband branded her already. They didn't care about women at all back then. Progress?
@@anthonygreen127 Time out... where'd all the other replies go...
I don't think that's true.
It's a woman or man both would accuse their husband or wife to do such a thing. Not exclusive to men.
And if someone has decided on cheating, better they get a divorce than cheat and complicate things
What i took from this: the burning need to use the word "cupidity" in a conversation, soon...
Same
One of the best shows of all time.
If anything research and recent media have taught me that Vikings were never the barbaric monsters that they were portrayed as, but actually one of the most civilised groups of people to walk the earth.
They have to portray the Vikings as evil in order for their own team not to be seen as devolved by comparison.
We are still in the reign of the kungs, most do not really understand that.
We will always be under the reign of a king one way or another.
I live under no kung, nor have I ever. 😂
You pay taxes. Yeah, you do.
You spelt Kangz wrong.
@@IAmTheRealBill I would rather die than bow my head or bend my knee to a kung!
It's remarkable to see how many think that this TV-show actually reflected what was going on at that time. It's really a redo of the old "noble savage" myth, just like some people think Native Americans were "ubermench" and the whites the "untermench", in this show clearly the Anglo-Saxons are portrayed as sub-human and the Norse as some kind of lost chapter of a pure part of humanity.
It make me think of the viking mockingly called "the child lover" by his kin, because he didn't like to toss babies into the air and impale them on spears. The Icelandic woman that hung herself when her husband decided to trade her with the wife of another man, "because she didn't want to be traded". Or the monk in Ireland that was gang-raped in a longship by Norwegian vikings.
Personally I'm ashamed of what my ancestors did. I'm hoping one day I can visit Lindisfarne and lay down some flowers.
Ancestors in every culture did horrific things. They lived and died in harsh times. Lay flowers for your lost Ancestors because the others did just as bad. Guilt that isn't yours to carry ages and ills you.
You think anglo saxons and other cultures didnt do the same if not worse? Lmao grow up. The guilt is not yours to carry, its doubtful that you would even know whether your ancestors did those things or if they were just peasant farmers (viking was an occupation). I criticise Sweden my home all the time for their history particularly of treatment of Sámi and their allegiance to the nazi party in Germany (neutral my ass). But I am not so naive as to think the ancestors of my homeland, before it even became Sweden, were any more violent or barbaric than other nations particularly Christian nations who to this day still murder innocent civilians, spread anti semitic myths and destroy muslim countries and act like killing the children of those nations are justified because muslims are "barbaric".
If you want to feel personal guilt direct it to closer in your current country's history and current actions it would be far less of a waste of time to focus on the preesent so your descendants do not need to feel the guilt for their ancestors 👍
If everyone was ashamed by what their ancestors did, we'd all be just as bad. I'm mexican, so I trace my lineage back to the Aztecs, Mayan, AND Spaniards, all three did HORRIFIC things in history. But I'm not ashamed by my ancestors, they did what they did, no excuse, but why must I feel bad that they did it? I know for a fact that some of my ancestors, not Spaniards alone, had slaves.
@@Blood_Red_2607 I am ashamed what my ancestors did when they used to be pagans, but I am certainly not ashamed for whate they did to gain freedom from the Turks and the Communists.
first of all, do you have any sources for the baby lover and the other anecdotes? never heard of those until now.
they've gone a bit too far with their representation of the supposedly oh so modern vikings, sure.
I do take issue with your comment being so full of loathing for your culture's history though. your ancestors weren't worse than other people's and there's no reason to be ashamed. they were products of their time and they were all absolute savages by today's standards. christians murdered their way through every land they wanted something of too, as did muslims, as did every society or group in those times that was big enough to rally enough force to be militarily significant. the thing with norse history is that the majority of records about pagan norse of the viking age was 1. written by their enemies and 2. only documenting their raids.
I think they make an important point with a core of truth here: the sources we have strongly point toward these 'pagan savages' having treated women a lot more humanely (far from well but they had several rights christian women wouldn't get for centuries to come like divorcing their husbands, remarrying, refusing to marry etc.) than the supposedly civilised and pious christians
Vikings is such a good show
Not just pagans true Christians didn't believe this either. That husband would have been punished severely
Untrue, read the bible.
@mambolo have many times. Christ says to treat one's wife as one's own body........with love and respect
@@mambolonever is a Christian man allowed to use violence against his wife, could you provide us with a verse to back your lie ?
This guy, says the bible allows husband to beat his wife. Some of our pastors worked with muslim converts back in russia to stop their wife beating. Christians made the constitution btw. All freedoms you enjoy was enshrined and fought for by christians. Spinning this fact around against that same religion is nasty and grimy bro.
@@Wiemcc Ephesians 5:21-33
Galatians 3:28, 1 Corinthians 11:11-12
reddit in a nutshell.
Pagans respected SOME women IN their village.
The rest was to plow or sell
Wtf does this even mean
@@Wormmmmmmmmmm It means the ancient world wasnt christian bads pagans good and noble. It was full of slavery deals and sexual assault
@@Wormmmmmmmmmmwhen Vikings raided, they were just like any other civilization. Murder scores of people, rape and breed with the females.
@@Wormmmmmmmmmmthey were either sex slaves or regular slaves unless they were married or in positions of authority
Armchair historian entered the chat
King: "Thank this pagan."
Girl: "This pagan is my husband, milord."
King: 🗿
Excellent! turn of events.
Was going to say that😮
The only thing I agree with in this entire scene is that you have to have proof you can't just go around punishing people without evidence.
My friend, welcome to early medieval northern Europe.
@HangrySaturn I mean welcome to humanity, we have been doing that, even the pagans, for a very long time before that time period, maybe they punished for different things but they still punished, and all people used to be much more merciless with their punishments.
To be fair, she's brought no evidence of her fidelity, or that this was even done by her husband to begin with. It's just he said she said in this case.
I mean, given that the husband wasn't on trial here, proving that he was the one who injured her wasn't actually relevant, but I'm curious, conceptually, how would she prove her fidelity in a case like this? Like, in a modern court, obviously, we presume innocence until guilt can be proven, but even in situations where one assumes, like "you wouldn't be here if you weren't probably guilty" in the court, what possible evidence could be provided from her side?
@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 Not being able to prove something doesn't mean you can forego the burden of proof.
@@TeleologicalConsistency Not true, actually, if someone, unprompted, asks you to prove a negative you don't *generally* have a burden of proof. If you ask me to, unilaterally, prove that unicorns don't exist, there's nothing materially I can do to actually prove that, for example.
And since fidelity is asking someone to prove that they did not take the action of sleeping with someone other than their husband, the only way to prove that would be to have been on camera for every minute of every day since you got married since otherwise it could've happened in the few moments you weren't on camera. It is nonsensical thing to request in this context.
Innocent until proven guilty I am afraid.
@@TeleologicalConsistency Huh, I made a longer post previously, but even outside of court proceedings, proving a negative, like "never in my entire life have I taken (action X)" is not something that's considered rational to expect someone to substantiate. Like, short of a video of her, every minute of every day since she started seeing her husband, there isn't anything that could definitively "prove" that she never took any inappropriate actions.
Generally speaking, even in logic, "burden of proof" comes on the person making a positive claim ("my wife cheated on me", in this example) not the null position of "no I didn't."
In most if not all cases, secular humanism beats out any religion.
Every secular society has done more harm and stagnated than most religions. Take communism for example, killed more than all wars combined. And in france, the massacres of innocents in their purge of the old order. Humanism doesn't produce anything new. It just takes what's not theirs and rebrands it.
The US for example was made by christians. But humanism comes in and tells everyone how much freedom it offers people when in reality it only offers a different ideology, like switching from islam to scientology.
What has humanism offered in the realm of science and freedom that religion has not? Who built the first universities? Humanists, or the religious?
It's just a T.V. show. The idea is to create a false narrative that the simplest-minded people will accept in order to undermine religion, which is the formal study of right and wrong.
Once they have you rejecting that, they know they can get you to believe and do anything. 15-minute cities, untested medical treatments, wearing masks, acceptance of hedonism and sexual deviancy....the big government globalists want to control you, and you are totally falling for it.
What we have now with wokeism is secular anti human.
Then why is that the Catholic Church is the largest non-profit organization in the world and not a secular organization?
Hollywood has so much miss information in the shows and the funny thing is people take it as historical facts 🤣🤣🤣
No man should be considered king over any man. No one should have any rights over another human being.
Hollywood has so much miss information in the shows and the funny thing is people take it as historical facts 🤣🤣🤣
These cut away time laps were perfect. Like a montage
Perfect example of modern cultural revisionism in media. No, medieval Europeans did not not treat women like property that could be done with as they please. Had this situation happened in the past, the husband would be punished harshly.
Hollywood has so much miss information in the shows and the funny thing is people take it as historical facts 🤣🤣🤣
The king is generous today.
That scene is so absurd it sounds like something a pagan would write.
Fuck this just made me wanna watch vikings again, loved this soo much