Electric Semi Trucks are a Scam? (Shocking New Details)
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Sir i have question, i have 90 Amps alternator and my battery has 70, it is good or bad? Please give me advise thank you!
Scotty, doesn't it take something like 700 tons of material to extract enough to create one tesla battery? What's the carbon footprint on the diesel machines used to mine materials and crush materials smelt materials separate... etc you get the idea... then at the end of the day charging the battery means a ton of waste. If you charge a battery using a steam turbine spun by fire sustained by coal or natural gas, there's a ton of waste happening as opposed to just using internal combustion engine and the fuel in said engine. It's maddening that so many people are thinking battery, when really the best route to green is hydrogen fuel cells, run in reverse
I didn’t know what it was. Until you told us it was a Mitsubishi and I saw the Mitsubishi emblem. 🤷♂️
It’s a roomier, but less powerful, and less torquier version of the Nissan Rogue.
Let me guess, despite the declared battery recycling process, the batteries will be burned in a pile somewhere in the Phillipines along with North America's junk plastics?
Delivery event is over. Truck is even better than I expected. 1000V battery system. The 500 mile 81000 gross weight test was on public roads with real hills. 8 hour uncut vid on youtube. Uses the plaid motors. Cruises on 1 motor and kicks the other 2 in when you need the power. Drove Donner pass full load using only regen braking. Cold brakes at the bottom. All good news. They really knocked this one out of the park.
They started 97% battery
And end with 8% after 500 miles
How much of that weight was cargo?
@@angryhairpeice 81 k was the GVW, the truck itself is 17 k so around 64 k lbs of payload. 👍🏻
Yessss
@@g_ferret2450 Source?
WELP! You were wrong...December 1 and they made first deliveries yesterday. AND they met that 500 miles range too!
these tesla haters ...lmfaoo ...they are a joke
@@shreysharma726 I'm not a hater. I build EV's myself and am really glad that Tesla exists as it is the ONLY company seriously driving electric cars and trucks! I'm also willing to look for the flaws or where Tesla is not being completely honest. And the truth is, the 500 mile range video isn't completely honest. In the announcement event, they were careful to say "fully loaded" and not say anything about actual GVW or say "loaded to GVW of 82,000 pounds". If you watch the video, the trailer is loaded front to back with unknown "stuff"...aka "fully loaded". What you don't know is the weight of the trailer, weight of what's in the trailer, weight of the semi, any added aero on the trailer or anything else special about the trailer. For a couple of frames you can see an packing label on a crate and it says 600kg on it. That's nice, but what about all the the rest that we don't know??? The video of the Tesla semi passing another semi isn't even carrying the same load! It's pulling a flatbed trailer with 8 K rials on it. It's NOT the same truck and not even the same test run that got 500 miles of range! My estimates are that at about 50% or 41,000 to 46,000 pounds GVW that you will get that 500 mile range. This is based on that 600kg crate, typical box trailer weights and the estimated 26,000 pounds of the Tesla Semi. The end result is about 46,000 pounds GVW. AKA...you will see that 500 miles at about 50% of max GVW and much more weight will drastically reduce range. This is well known from other EV's pulling loads. Range will drop FAST with a heavy load.
@@de-bodgery well....i didn't say you were a hater ..i was saying in general ..to the trolls ..but damn ..those are facts which you said....
@@de-bodgery TBH, at current diesel prices, it doesn't even matter. Even if it is nowhere near 500 miles, this is their first electric truck and the writing is on the wall for ICE trucks. What will the market look 5-10 years from now when every automaker is forced to make electric.
@@d33763 Manufacturers won't be forced to do anything. Internal combustion is far from dead! I'm betting 10 years from now that there will still be easily 50% or more of vehicles on the roads that are not electric. Will gas powered stuff diminish? Sure it will! But will it disappear...unlikely! What ICE manufacturers will have to do is make cars and trucks that are properly efficient in order to compete. The technologies have been around for far better engine efficiencies since the 1970's at least, but the stuff just stays buried since there is no economic reason to use them. IF the current car companies are forced to do something, it's to finally use those technologies that make gas cars properly efficient!
After much delay, the Tesla Semi began delivery of production vehicles today (1 December 2022.) Non-stop 500 mile range, even fully loaded to 82,000 lbs GVW. Not an estimate - a production Tesla Semi just made this run from Fremont CA to San Diego CA without charging, on the road with traffic, over the mountains (~4,000 feet climb) and through stop and go traffic in LA. Tesla also introduce a "V4" charger for the truck. Charger and truck are a 1,000 volt system, and the charger can deliver 1 megawatt. V4 megawatt capable charger will be coming for future Tesla cars as well. No announcement today about where and when the V4 chargers will be deployed.
"The Cybertruck is scheduled to go into production in 2023." Reuters (December 2, 2022)
This trip wasn't independently verified for "no charging." All we saw was a greatly sped-up video. I'm skeptical. There's also the problem of a huge grid drain if a lot of these start charging frequently.
@@DefundTheFringesI mean you can probably slow the footage down and watch the full 8 hours of driving if you’d like
@@DefundTheFringes slow the footage down babe. You can watch the whole 8 ND a half hour drive. You can be skeptical when you don't have data infront of you.
*sad hater music intensifies*
The initial batch of 500 mile range semis have a price of $180K and 300 mile version has a price of $150K
The order book is closed and when it reopens the prices will be higher.
Much higher I bet
I hope it fails as spectacularly as we all think it will
@@Nx553 The Tesla Semi will fail for long range haulage - no doubt about it, it's clear with current technology long range heavy haulage with battery powered EV's makes no sense - that's why the likes of Renault, Mercedes etc. are all concentrating on short haul.
@@Beer_Dad1975 And special haul like Volvo and Scania also does. Scania, total weight of 74 tonne (aiming higher). Working. At cutomers. Volvo in the same area - high load special transport. Like between two terminals maybe 30-40 kilometers in-between. And in mining. Here it works Really well. Like the terminal thing - you drive, you charge and unload and load, and then drive, then plugin and unload and load and so on. Over and over again.
@@Xanthopteryx Yup, I really can't see Tesla competing with the big players in heavy haulage equipment - they are too far behind, and too inept.
Elon Musk in 14 years got electric cars mass produced. The Tesla Y is year to date the 13th best selling car in America. I think the semi will be a success.
Not sure how you can claim that since Tesla doesn't break down sales figures by country
@@visearms5774
But people tracking car sales by country easily can give you that data with registration numbers 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Tesla semi delivery 12/1/22. 70% charge in 30 minutes, already demonstrated 500 miles traveled at 82k pounds. Other trucks are DOA.
How much of that 82k was actually freight and not battery and truck? It's never disclosed and that means they're hiding something.
Most, if not all, of these trucks are retrofits of existing ICE designs that don't take full advantage of being electric. No matter the reasons for Tesla's delay in bringing its semi into full production, the result will be a purpose-built EV that will become the new bench mark.
The engineering and testing, not to mention installing charging stations required took years. Note it had to be certified as a class 8. I am not surprised it took so long.
True but I don't think electric semis are going to be standard transport for a while
Eh, the most recent diversion from Summer 2022 to December 2022 was due to Tesla routing almost all battery production to the model 3 and Y for consumers, as they have literally dozens of THOUSANDS of orders yet to be fulfilled.
But yeah, bureaucratic nightmare all around for getting these certified in the US. Would have been easier if they released them in Germany or something, somewhere that they're established without all the legal roadblocks of the US.
The 3 fundamentals of a Project manager - meet the requirement, be on time and on cost.
Tesla change the requirement, are always late and the costs are increasing. Well done.
I can only imagine how dangerous a battery fire of this size would be.
@@YourCitizen Then why is the stock down 50% and not $4000 a share like Kathy Wood pontificated?
A range of 230 miles is nothing when you live in a large country like Australia where towns can be spread out for thousands of kilometres.
Same in Canuckastan
Even living in Texas.
I agree they need to put wireless charging in the streets while driving. Eventually, we will see this. They should have done this in the first place and they could save much money on batteries and reduced the cost of vehicles. ~Chad James.
Australia sucks anyways, they can eat scorpions.
They are junk!
Man this video sure aged like milk. Never beat against tesla. They always will never meet their initial time table but they sure do deliver
This video aged like milk.
Aged well considering it got nowhere
PepsiCo and Frito Lay both have Tesla Semis as of today. They were delivered 2 hrs ago.
its the same company lol
@@Jushwa Does it matter?
im sure theyre enjoing the free taxpayer money in the form of carbon credits
That's hauling bags of chips, keep in mind. Electric semis have some niches they're perfect to fill, but may not be right for others, like hauling logs or heavy equipment etc. At least for now.
@@bradyspace Agreed. These are regional daycabs with no sleepers in them. These are for route and home by night.
All I would say is this video doesn’t age well.
Here in the UK the government has already stated that EV vehicles will soon be subject to and annual tax for using the roads (similar to everything else). You can bet that the charging costs will soon rise in line with petrol and diesel. It has to replace revenue somehow.
And at that point gas and diesel will be cheaper than electric. That’s how it works. As demand goes up, so does the price. It goes down, cheaper.
They will just put a levy on food banks and tax the homeless… got to pay for the £Billions given to Tory Donors to "supply" faulty PPE.
@@Veroxzes probably, diesel used to be around half the price of petrol here, not many people used it, with demand comes tax.
In Kalifornia charging costs have increased to keep up with gas prices. Because they can.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 and because you have to. It stands to reason that they're not going to give it away. The only entity with the money to install infrastructure on that scale are the oil and gas companies, and they ain't gonna give it for free. On that we can rest assured.
Tesla Semi, 81,000lb load, did 500 miles, Fremont to San Diego. Musk: "They said it couldn't done, so we did it". Scotty?
With ten tons of cargo. Yay 😁
The truck in the Tesla video had 6 to 10 tons of cargo 😂 normal truck: 20 tons -> one needs 3 Teslas + drivers to replace a normal truck
You are right... This shows it can be done. At the same time it shows, that it's stupid to do it 🤡
and he was passed by every diesel truck in the time lapse lol
What was a load gross weight?! You don't know what you are talking about.
@@starkovinc.4211 gross weight is irrelevant. You don’t get paid for gross weight, you get paid for the PAYload and how far can you haul it in a reasonable amount of time. The Tesla semi fails in all of that.
The fire from these trucks will be scary
I love Scotty exposing the EV scams.
I've driven evs since they came about. They are certainly not a scam. I've exceeded manufacturers projections using a mix of natural gas and solar power for charging.
FUD like this is the only scam, no one works harder than Elon. This only comes out when the stock price is low on Tesla.
@@DeepValueOptions I agree; nobody blows harder than Elon Musk. Neuralink? Hyperloop? Robots? Solar City solar roof tiles?
Musk has a single patent: it's for the electric plug on the Tesla, so that *only* Tesla chargers can charge Teslas.
Electric over-the-road trucking is a fantasy. Cross city deliveries and such, warehouse to store? Yes, probably as long as the chargers cannot be added to the grid.
@@mrstinky2421 sure you have. You have a generator that runs on natural gas?😂😂 Laughable. Used solar to charge your EV? 😂😂 you forgot about your windmill.
Tesla Semi delivery event.
The Tesla semi has already driven fully loaded over 500 miles on a single charge. Never Doubt Elon!
What was the payload weight?
I am a cdl driver for 42 years our truck's virtually go 24 seven when would they have time to charge them.
Thats right, most truckers go for 12 hours or more on the road nonstop, with over 400 gallons of diesel in the tanks you can go and go and go.
@@marciliojunior4919 exactly one driver brings it in 12 to 14 hours then another driver takes it out. Our trucks can go 600 miles before refueling.
This video didn’t age well Scotty 😅. He did it.
How much cargo was hauled?
@@DinoAlberini 81000 pounds
@@johnrosner8964 read the question again
@@johnrosner8964 No it didn't
@@DinoAlberini How much does a trailer full of corn chips weigh?
Dec 1, 2022. Tesla Semi Delivery Event playing right now
Im here because of Tesla delivery to Pepsi today.
"...Whether it'll finally deliver, true to its word, THIS December."
*Laughs in December 1st Delivery*
Do not crybecause you could not laugh; be happy for Tesla as we do need electric vehicles and Tesla has delivered. Perhaps listen less to MSM and more to some UA-camrs who are very the best at analyzing Tesla (ex: Tesla Daily).
@@mletouutube The very best at analyzing Tesla? You must mean the channel "Now You Know".
Because this guy got it wrong.
Scotty: NOT a scam. It's a accounting no-brainer for fleet carriers to replace "deezel" trucks with the Tesla semi especially for defined routes where mega-chargers can be installed rapidly in the right places. Figure $100,000/yr in diesel fuel savings ~$5.00/gallon in my area. Every diesel class 8 truck off the road takes with it TONS of pollution/year. Going with it is all the diesel engine maintenance (fluids and filters and parts) which are expensive. Goodbye to lots and lots of parts that constantly wear or go wrong! The whole idea of a class 8 truck is to MAKE MONEY, not spend money and go bankrupt or raise transportation prices and help others go bankrupt because they get driven out of business by inflation.
Eventually the class 8 diesel trucks which deliver diesel fuel, propane, gasoline and fuel oil can be sent to the scrapyard. They generate the pollution carrying the pollution!!
The old tyme truck manufacturers panicked and just stuffed batteries and inefficient motors and powertrains into conventional style bodies and they sell them for ~$200k to $450k. That's an inefficient kludge which will keep the "deezel" olde style truck designers and bosses employed for awhile longer thanks to government subsidies.
I hope Tesla can crank semi trucks out 24/7 as fast as they can. The Russians, Arabs, and OPEC, and oil companies can go (bleep) themselves. Next, the mass of smaller diesel trucks!
There are no fuel savings apparently. The car expert channel made a test, driving Adelaide to Sidney and it turned out refueling a diesel Audi was cheaper than charging a Tesla. A MW charger (which doesn’t exist anywhere yet) will be even more expensive than a supercharger in terms of energy cost and will take the energy used by 100 households just to charge one truck half an hour for 400 miles, a quarter of a fully laden diesel truck. Even if it hauled the same payload as a diesel truck (it doesn’t, it carries about half, if that) it would still take two hours to recharge on the non existent 1.6GW “megacharger”. Today, if it used the Tesla’s fastest supercharger, it would take over 12 hours to recharge for the diesel semi range. By that time, a diesel is 600 miles away.
The electric Semi will be just like the electric cars, for in-city or commuter use only. The problem is the weight of the battery. If you have a big enough battery for long haul, then you cannot carry much cargo not only because of size requirements but also because of bridge limits.
Also they go to weigh stations and this heavy EV battery is going to be to heavy and means they have carry less frieght. This means store products etc will cause more inflation prices will go up this is foolish. We need to stick oil diesel and gas it is part of the economy not enough oil refineries five or more closed and not enough drilled cause high prices on fuel which causes store goods and groceries prices to go up.
Not to mention how these trucks will go through tires and be harder on the roads because of their weight…🤷♂️🧐
Correct. Short haul only. Hyliion's Hypertruck ERX is the only long haul solution viable today
@@jbehrmann There is no EV long haul viable today no matter what Hylilon says.
@@extremedrivr Hyliion's architecture includes a NG/RNG fueled generator under the hood. The generator charges the batteries while driving. Are you saying that when you essentially take the charging station with you (aka the generator), that Hyliion can't support long haul? Take your blindfold off...
Why make this video a few days before the announcement? You should post a follow up now…
He wont 💀🤡
@@ogzombieblunt4626 why should he? The Tesla semi turned out to be exactly the crap he said it would be.
Yeah! I'm sorry letter.
Scotty says, I really messed up!
Scotty and Bill are shoveling turd into their turd buckets.
@@wt9653 so Scotty messed up because Elon got us a truck that hauls half the payload one third as far as a diesel semi? Do the math, don’t be an embarrassment.
@@DinoAlberini
Go compare the specs.
DOT gave Tesla semi max load of 82,000 pounds.
Diesel trucks are 80,000 pounds.
EV can handle more than ICE trucks due to all torque.
Just like Diesel trucks have reserve tank.
So can EV. The cargo trailer can be equipped with batteries and solar cells.
It will never stop for recharging.
The battery is not enough if 18 wheelers are going the longest route in the U.S. on I 90 that is 3,020 miles with out stopping. So that route is even more miles factor in rest stops, truck stops bathroom breaks and breakfast, lunch and dinner food stop breaks among other breaks. So that is way more miles than 3,020 sometimes you go a little off path. Also factor the unforeseen detours even more miles. So would it be under or over a hundred or miles. Plus even if you use that route how many mores miles to the north or to the south. You need a battery that last over 3K or more. Fewer delays mean cheaper freight store goods. This could cause inflation prices go up. The country and the economy depends on oil, diesel and gas.
48 hours with stopping? You must have an enormous bladder
Tesla decided that cars make more money than trucks, better use of his limited battery supply.
wow maybe if the competition didnt design their trucks like walls, maybe they'd be more efficient lmao
Cab overs have to do with weight to length regulations of the semis. Some of those regs changed here as I understand so you don't see the cab overs here as much.
Not when you have 2 150 gallon tanks and can go 1,800 to 2,400 miles with out filling up even the guys with 2 75s can go 850 to 1,300 miles without filling its no comparison
I am not a big Tesla fan, but to be fair supply chain shortages have been horrific for the past 2-3 years, and they still are still a big problem. I work in the medical imaging field for over 30 years and I have never seen things this bad. Not only on new order delays, we also have many service customers with multimillion dollar systems at major hospitals down for months because we cannot get replacement parts for repairs. Before 2-3 years ago situations like that were practically unheard of, now it is not that unusual. I also see supply issues with lots of things, so when he says it was delayed because of supply chain issues, it is not so hard to believe.
Also, part of leadership is to set ambitious goals for others to strive towards, so again... You just have to take future estimates with a grain of salt, perhaps more than just a grain. So with his very ambitious forecasting and unprecedented supply chain issues I would not call these long delays a scam.
I will be dead and gone by the time any of this gets sorted out. Thank God.
You must be like 90 😅😅
@@yahanaashaqua I certainly feel like it
@@yahanaashaqua I am older than Scotty! LMAO
December 2022.
DECEMBER FIRST LMFAO START PLANNING NOW
Scotty, Scotty!! We OGs underestimate these cyberpunks. Plz stay in the ICE lane🙂
Perhaps Scotty missed Tesla's announcement of the Semi testing where they achieved 500 miles of range with a total weight of 81,000 pounds. That's more than a diesel truck can legally haul. Mercedes does not believe the test results and is looking to purchase two Semis, one to take apart, and one to test. Scotty also forgot to mention the Tesla convoy mode software where one driver can control three Semis. This will make trucking cheaper than rail for some items.
My friend's EV was supposed to get X miles on a charge and ended up getting close to half of that irl use... No wonder Mercedes doesn't believe them.
@@maxjames00077 That is why Tesla posted video of the entire 9 hour trip of 500 miles from SF to SD. Mercedes is a dishonest car company that does not have the technology to compete against Tesla and the Chinese EV makers. The remainder of this decade will not end well for Mercedes and legacy auto.
@@tomdrewenskus8167 oh a video proves everything 😂
Thank you for this video, I’m a big fan and subscriber of your channel! I have listed each negative issue from your video and added a description of how a company called Hyliion solves them all. Hyliion is a provider of electric powertrains that can be installed on any OEM class 8 chassis.
1. Tesla range claims: 500 miles. eCascadia range claim 230 miles. Volvo range claim 275 miles. BYD range claim (not mentioned). Nikola Tre range claim 310 miles. Hyliion’s range claim is 1,000 miles.
2. Tesla’s claim of 70% range in 30 minutes is unlikely. Hyliion uses NG/RNG to fuel a generator that charges the batteries while driving, refuel time is just 10 minutes.
3. Speculation on the Tesla Semi cost is $150,000. However, this does not include the long lead times and millions of dollars fleets will have to spend on charging infrastructure. For example, here’s a quote from Nikola’s Q3 ’22 earnings call: “…to scale up to fleet level charging infrastructure remains a hurdle and often involves a lengthy process which usually requires regulatory approval and support from the local power provider and municipality…resulting in end customers reluctant to make significant capital investments in the necessary charging infrastructure. We anticipate these headwinds will continue to be a significant limiting factor in the customer uptake rate for Tre BEVs”
4. Battery weigh and footprint are issues for pure BEV players. Hyliion’s proprietary LTO battery packs are 1/10th the size of Tesla’s semi battery packs.
5. The anticipated emissions reductions claimed by the providers in the video assumes renewable energy will be used to charge these semis. However, as of 2021 only 12% of the US energy supply comes from renewable energy. These trucks will be charged with an overwhelming amount of fossil fuel generated electricity, which is dirty. When used with RNG, Hyliion’s solution is fully net carbon negative, no BEV semi provider can offer fleets such a low emissions profile.
6. Summary: Hyliion ERX can run 1,000 miles with 82,000 pounds. The US fueling infrastructure for xNG is already in place. In 2021, out of all the natural gas used at class 8 fueling stations in the US, 64% was “RNG”. Hyliion’s partnership with ANG provides discounted RNG for qualifying fleets. Hyliion’s solution does not require the long lead times and costs associated with onsite charging infrastructure. A major problem in how the market perceives BEV semi trucks is “tailpipe emissions.” Despite zero “tailpipe emissions,” these BEV semis are extremely pollutive when compared to Hyliion’s “net carbon negative” solution. Hyliion’s solution also provides 75-miles of pure BEV with zero tailpipe emissions for shipping ports and other zero tailpipe emission zones. Lastly, since the Hyliion solution can be installed on any OEM chassis, both drivers and fleet maintenance crews do not need to move entirely away from the platforms they use, know, and enjoy today.
If you like Hyliion's architecture and value proposition as I've laid out, I would very sincerely appreciate it if you could research Hyliion and post your own findings for the community in an upcoming video, thanks so much for all you do!
Very valid points
When you see something unbelievably performant, the chances are it's a scam.
@@codincoman9019 The CEO is Thomas Healy, a Carnegie Mellon engineer who made Forbes 30 under 30 for this project.
Tortoise Acquisitions joined with him with a price tag of +$500M after looking over 200 companies.
Cummins engines has since bought ownership over the fuel tanks and E-Axles that the Hyliion ERX is going to use and is supplying the engine.
GE sold the KARNO generator to Hyliion and accepted 5.5M shares as +60% of the payment.
11 industry leaders (Penske, Ryder, Wegmans, Anheuser Busch, etc) are doing controlled fleet trials now, using the ERX in their fleets.
Look how much funding is going into RNG projects from Blackrock, Shell, Chevron, BP.
Sometimes things are too good to be true, but it certainly seems that the major players in the freight space are this as THE viable solution going forward.
I hope with this and the post above, it not a scam and something worth looking deeper into
@@codincoman9019 you should look into it before calling it a scam. They just delivered the Rockefeller Christmas tree for some good publicity and proof that it works.
They are going over and above om testing to ensure their are minimal issues when they start making deliveries.
100% this. Hyliion is the future of Class 8's
New technologies often have delays. The evolution of batteries is the greater interest, range will always improve as cheaper and better batteries are produced. The self driving aspect changes the game completely
No. Energy density for batteries has not umproved in the last 10 years.
@@niederrheiner8468 you must be reading different publications
This aged like milk
Left outside on a hot sunny day 😂😂
How?
Walmart Canada has ordered130 Tesla Semis, Their book keepers and Logistics people must have done the numbers.
yeah its called subsidies and tax breaks
@@brandonborgerding182 China has sold over 12,000 electric trucks from one manufacturer alone. Since their sole purpose is crushing American industries and growing their own, they must've done the numbers.
However this all works out, I still love the sound of that big turbo kicking in.
Same
Turbo and Jake brake music is what I lived to
That will never die , Only in the cities will that change !
So do I. It's been weird as things start transitioning. I'm all about saving money, etc. But I will miss some of the fun sounds.
I hear modern EVs make some sort of artificial noise while in operation for pedestrian safety reasons, I always thought the Jetson’s flying car made that ‘peep peep peep’ noise because of propulsion, but maybe it was for pedestrians safety too ( now me wonders how they could build crosswalk in the sky🤔😅)
Solar panels are not easily recyclable
The bus company I drive for tried to switch to hybrid electric buses, but they gave up when they found out it costs the price of a brand new bus to replace the battery. They switched to CNG instead.
Cng is an immense improvement over diesel.
Scotty I've been watching you for a long time Love your work I've gotten a lot of tips and techniques from you. On this particular thing I tend to disagree. I'm not a Tesla boy or a Tesla fan but I think we need some changes. If these electric semis don't seem to be the answer how about we fix our rail system and put our heavy products on the rail instead of semis. The main reason is because it's more profitable for corporations to run trucks with their tires and their maintenance and their fuel and selling the trucks then it is to use the rail. Some people say well the rails never on time. How about we put as much money into a railroad system as we've put into our petroleum trucking system and find that we would have a state of the art rail system in the United States. You could electrify the diesel engines. There's many other countries that have done this and it works great for them.
Also everybody seems to be very concerned about the fact that the semi truck has come out some 3 years later than anticipated take a look around and look at all the technology that's not been developed in the timeline stated that includes our traditional automobile industry. How about celebrating the fact that it came out at all and giving credit that it is the best electric truck on the road at this time.
This^^ the rail system needs to be upgraded to first and foremost clear traffic of our roads. And to help keep our roads from being heavily deteriorated from big rigs. it will take massive leaps here in the US but it’s not impossible.
Great points. Diesel-Electric in UK known for decades as Deltic.
US rail infrastructure built cheap and fast and underfunded ever since.
We already do. It’s called intermodal. A lot of freight moves from the ports on rail to hub cities. Then by truck to the final destination
Rails can't drop off a pallet at all the stores nearby, but rail is prolly worth expanding
Trains are already electric... Their diesel engines are just spinning generators to power the electric drivetrain.
The mystery continues to be charging capabilities for cars, trucks, and houses that are being built now with full electric power. The future is very uncertain. 😕
You are so right.
Scotty, please check out Hyliion’s Hypertruck ERX platform. Fully electric drivetrain, batteries placed in series with a Cummins Nat Gas generator, taking away need to stop and re-charge from the grid. RNG (captured methane waste) can be used as the fuel. 1000 mile range. Nat gas infrastructure already exists. Net carbon negative emissions with RNG.
RNG or synthetic will cost 30$ per gallon lol
Scotty check out Texas based Hyliion, they already have trucks on the road, and they have the ability for retrofitting.
Not seen many EV semi trucks in the UK but the smaller rigid chassis trucks being used for inner city deliveries or jobs are more noticeable. Same as buses, bus operators are using EV buses in town or city centres and diesel or hydrogen on longer routes.
@@bluejar5614 We have quite the different roads and laws in Europe. Just look how different the trucks are. The current Semi will have a hard time in Europe, due to regulations alone. Tesla will either need to make an EU/UK version, or find a way to make the EU change a lot of it's laws.
275 miles range ON A TRUCK LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New york to California in just under a MONTH
It’s insanity! That’s 3.5 hours out of 11 driving.
The only thing makes any sense would be a hybrid semi. Except utilize the batteries to supply power for faster acceleration and maintain speeds when climbing hills as needed and the diesel engine to maintain cruising speeds, this alone would save fuel. This will improve traffic flow if these trucks could accelerate at same rate as cars. Keep the batteries in the trailer portion so that when trailers are parked, they can be charged.
Electric semi trucks aren't a scam but they do have very niche uses, like hauling frito lay chips! Volvo already makes an electric semi (called an HGV elsewhere) and it has a 200 mile range from a 540KWh battery pack because Volvo limits the 'usable' capacity to 70% (so that the battery lasts longer). Elon said that the Tesla semi gets 2KWh per mile, so many people have calculated that it must have a 1,000MWh pack to do 500 miles. As the Volvo truck shows, if Tesla wants its semi battery to last longer, it should limit the capacity to 70%, so it would need a much larger battery of around 1,250MWh at least, unless it has other advantages over Volvo like aerodynamics etc.
Wow, 200 mile range!!!! Get there, charge the batter for.....how many hours? Then you can go again? No thank you.
Basically when we're talking electric vehicles, we're talking about the fuel tank. Batteries are very heavy and don't get lighter as it goes empty. Fuel tank on a proper petroleum powered vehicles doesn't need a super heavy tank and goes much further when full and doesn't take a long time to fill. So we are going electric no matter how unrealistic and impractical in so many respects it's going to be. Well it's all a pipe dream.
And 80 lb tank of gas is replaced with a 1 ton battery to get 45-65% of the range.
Wait a week and look at the numbers when the Tesla semi goes public. At this point it is speculation vs speculation.
Like to see them work in cold winters of Wyoming...
You think batteries just lose power whenever there is cold weather? Lol
@@Drckarvo Batteries discharge more quickly in cold weather. Lithium batteries are damaged if charged in cold weather.
It also takes power to run an EV's cabin and battery heaters.
Are you denying that an EV's performance is drastically reduced in very cold weather?
@@Drckarvo Put your cell phone in the freezer for a couple hours and see what happens.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 Been driving EV cars for 8 years in Indiana. Batteries are heated and cooled to stay at operating temperature. Range is reduced but not drastically, about 15%- 20% on very cold days, less if you preheat while still plugged in.
@@Drckarvo current Model 3 batteries lose 40% range in -10F weather in winter in Canada. Forget about your cell phone experiments. Talk to anyone with a Tesla in Canada and they’ll tell you their maximum 350 mile range falls to below 200 miles on a full charge when really cold. This is a big drawback to current battery technology.
As of 12-1-2022 I see a live video from Tesla that says electric truck ..
And yet they still don’t publish the empty weight or the payload. Just the certified max weight. Funny that 😏 oh but look at the cup holders 😂
Yea imagine claiming those trucks can beat rails when they carry only about half cargo of a diesel engine :')
@@MolkoKillStyle first the weight limit is applied by the government for good reasons but EVs can pull far more than the 82,000 limit, second Tesla are not new at this if you release everything the fud with still act much better to give them a easy target and then pull the rug out from under them at a later date.
Finally the beat rail claim is for 3 plus truck conveys with only one driver with close automated follow.
@@alanrickett2537 Compared to alot of companies, Tesla is fairly new, and even with a convoy with 3 trucks working with "full self drive" this will never ever beat rails il any way, you have to be clueless to even think about this idea.
But our boy Elon is "the person who know more about manufacturing than anyone else" lmao.
Don't forget the wireless charging for your phone.
That is basicly the most immportant thing for truck companies. And hiding it .. Than I think it cant hold that much.
You're the Jim Cramer of automotive.......only old people clinching on to their old pearls listen to you. The time is now old man. Signed, a diesel mechanic that is going to educate himself on battery tech and probably dump some of my money into this new industry.
You better educate yourself on basic math.
@@DinoAlberini I mean, he is not wrong. As industry grows there will be shortages of EV mechanics which will make it a very highly paid position.
evs are an expensive and inefficient solution to a problem that doesn't exist. the same people flying around on their private jets are the ones telling us we should stop using gas cars.
I always hear how much money you will save but I have not seen any evidence that this is TRUE in fact the evidence shows the opposite.
Musk should have concentrated on making a day cab version. Making local deliveries, where the truck can be charged daily is the ONLY way using an electric truck makes sense. The small range and the overall unknown nature how durable they are makes it a no go for long haul trips
@@This-ones-on-her 350-400 miles... Unladen. These numbers are gamed and everyone knows it,
Would be ok for city work and terminal to terminal, Will not really be practical for long haul, least not for a decade. Would be a death trap running in the North
@@This-ones-on-her yes. I drive a semi. I use to fill my tanks and drive from Kent, Washington to Turlock CA, 826 miles. Use to make it in two days, driving up and down several mountain ranges carrying 40,000 lbs (close to 80,000lbs including the truck and trailer) with a quarter tank left. That's, the type of range these over the road companies are use to and need
@@This-ones-on-her Ford lighting drops like a rock when towing. 400 mile range became 50 miles.
@@jjbees7911 Hoovies "Idiots guide for electric towing with the ford lighting" LOL
No i don't agree. HC fuels are being made scarce because corrupt governments don't care what major corps do to their people.
We need true cheap energy first, and if it is cheap, it will be clean and available to everyone.
By being cheap, it will be abundant, and charging an EV will make sense for who wants to have it on urban areas.
Electricity is so expensive now, charging an EV can get as or more expensive as using an ICE.
Hyliion - You forgot to mention Hyliion 😢
Lol. I guess that’s why Pepsi ordered 100 of them.
I’ll love revisiting this site in a few years when Tesla truck is crushing the trucking industry .
probobly ordered them for the huge subsidies and carbon credits
@@brandonborgerding182 And the Tesla Semi interest outside the US?
the fires will be epic.
Fully electric is a bad idea!
The charging time is still unacceptable.
Hydrogen or RNG are better solutions for sure!
My great great uncle drove and electric delivery truck in NY in the 1920's... no reason why they couldn't have electric and electric hybrid bread and pillow delivery trucks, even local route delivery while being stuck in NYC style traffic makes the daily miles attainable within practical limits of a charge capacity
That’s fine for city trucks - short routes and, generally, flat terrain. I can’t see them being practical for ver the road hauling.
@@navret1707 When I was an OTR driver, many times I took a trailer to a location, dropped it, another driver took it to final destination
Great video, Scotty!
As a vehicle test driver for GM I was assigned to operate the prototype hybrid vehicles, and specifically the electric/diesel class A trucks: Freightliner, Volvo, and a variety of busses. I pulled a 80k trailer up and down the nearby mountains and 10% grades with the trucks. The performance was usually strong, without major issues. Each truck had a brake recharge system built onto each drive axle which would create more energy each time the throttle was not applied. That system was key to creating the needed energy for the hybrid system. The use of diesel would ensure the truckers would have no problems refueling and lessened their learning curve for the hybrid system.
All in all, the hybrid electric/diesel trucks, like the hybrid cars and smaller trucks are a great bridge toward full electric vehicles. ⚡⚡
ERX from HYLIION is even better suited for these purposes. A generator powered by RNG + batteries for 75 miles of work on electricity. And at the same time, the power is more than 650 horsepower.
Good to hear and it sounds fun. But regenerative braking does not create energy. It changes the kinetic energy stored in the truck mass to electrical which is then stored in the battery. This slows the truck. Anything more that that is perpetual energy and some guys at GM will be getting a Nobel Prise.
The brake recharge system you refer to is actually just the motor itself. The electric field is reversed and it becomes a generator instead of a motor.
It sure is a gorgeous design.
Bring it on, 300 miles Range? 200 miles round trip to International Paper 44'000 pounds and a 15 minute climb at 20 mph. No cell sevice for the next 22 miles. Ive been in the industry long enough to say its not going to make it.
I wouldnt park your electric semi in your garage. Gonna be quite a blaze when those battery packs go up.
The only thing that makes sense is electric short/regional haul at the moment. For long haul, go diesel electric until battery swaps are common and provisioned for, then the diesel electrics should be easily converted to full electric.
A damn 4,000 lb Tesla can’t go 300 miles at best on the highway and a 6,000 lb F 150 “Lightning” (yeah right) can’t go 90 miles simply pulling an unloaded, 800 lb trailer. Good luck with an 85,000 lb semi truck with the aerodynamics of a house. Hydrogen engines are the way to go IMO. Everybody wins.
If hydrogen worked we would have it. No significant hydrogen progress since the fuel cell.
Elon just posted that "Tesla team just completed a 500 mile drive with a Tesla Semi weighing in at 81,000 lbs!"
Not good to compare a 1st generation ford electric pickup to a Tesla of any kind. Tesla has been at it so much longer.
Ignore Scotty-- In Germany Right NOW they are Electrifying the Autobahn to enable WIRELESS CHARGING of Semi’s and EV’s--- ie. It will no longer be necessary to even stop to RECHARGE!!! But you won’t hear that from Scotty- he keeps his head in the mud out of self interest.
California will have all BEV semis parked during the summer when their end of the grid is maxed out.
At least these trucks don’t have DEF system. It sucks when you have DEF problems.
I was anti electric 10 years ago. Then they got it work really well in the last 3 or 4 years.
Tesla got it to work well in 2013, hense my 2013 model s still on its original battery with 140k+ miles..... Bought used directly from Tesla. Best car I've ever owned. Driven it about 70k miles myself.
Scotty the Ludites. I'm ashamed you featured my car. You used to be so good
If Tesla were being transparent, they would list the GVW, and the real range when fully loaded to the 82000 lb over the road limit as well as the price tag beyond the initial orders. The initial orders are simply lost leaders to get people buying the trucks. This is what truckers care about. They could give a crap about acceleration due the affect it has on shifting loads, and whether or not it has cupholders, wireless charging, and a place to hang your coat.
$150k per semi? No way itll be at least double (i work in vehicle purchasing for a city agency and an all electric peterbilt 520 truck is around 400k)
Yeah.....I thought that $150,000 amount sounded kinda low.
Yeah that’s an insanely inaccurate price.
The Tesla will be $500k then for sure.
The initial batch of 500 mile range semis have a price of $180K and 300 mile version has a price of $150K
The order book is closed and when it reopens the prices will be higher.
@@danielstapler4315 where is this information coming from?
I worked in the Modesto plant when the deal was made. They built a new parking lot with solar installed as well as ev chargers for cars, the delivery vans we have and the semis that are supposed to be delivered
Helloooo Scotty ! Hope you and your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day!
While you all are discussing about electric semis, there is a german MAN who puts trolleys on their new trucks to be driven on a highway. So you have a diesel engine for a driving to and from highway, but on highway, you just "clip" onto an existing grid. And slide along. No unnecessary battery or 700L of fuel. Just a fuckin' trolleys.. A trolley truck.
You don’t even need a diesel engine, you need just 100 miles of range and you can recharge on the highway.
I know they will save so much on gas but what makes us all think that the electric companies won't get greedy and charge more for electricity when they have a total monopoly. Just curious on thoughts. ~ Chad James
There are only a few oil companies. There are many electric companies, most regulated, some like mine are non profit co-ops.
Oh hey a fellow member of the Church ^_^ I hear Tesla says they're moving their chargers off the grid and using the battery stations with solar hooked up to it. I wouldn't be concerned with that, at least with Tesla! But what I am concerned about is the government adding a tax to pay for roads. Seems inevitable 🤔 but probs still more than worth the switch
Oil will be depleted to a level where it wouldn't make financial sense in 40 years so expect the price to skyrocket more than electricity. It will probably be kept for flying planes until we find a better way to power them.
Tesla primary goal is not profit though it needs it. It is to electricfy transport as soon as possible. So Tesla will do the right thing.
@@steven4315 thank you didnt know thank you for letting me know. -Chad James
BYD buses didnt work out in Albuquerque & Los Angeles. The transit agencies didnt do real testing for the battery range.
Great video, really well done
Businesses will use these semis in their commercials like they use Clydesdales. But the Clydesdales maybe better.
The Semi will be more than 150k. The battery alone will cost 125k at $125/kwh.
Except Tesla cost is under ,$85kwh
@@scottwa Also they are using a 900 kWh battery, not a 1000 kWh battery, 10% savings just there.
And batteries don't last forever..
@@MolkoKillStyle But the materials can be recycled into new ones.
I'm not sure long haul is really suitable for battery electric unless some form of in motion charging can be provided, or fast stationaery charging makes some great advances. Batteries are great for local and regional distribution though, where daily range is within capability of a moderate size battery and route length and time duration can be more accurately estimated. Better to put intermodal trailers and containers onto rail cars for long hauls, with electric distribution at either end.
Absolutely. The only issue is, rail is limited in distribution routes. You still need long haul, especially since they do a lot of relatively shorter trips to drop off or pick up cargo.
The only way long haul would be viable for electric trucks is if there were a ton more drop and pick locations where one dead battery would drop off the load and another would pick it up and take it to the next charging, drop/pick location. But that is still heavily time consuming, and you'd need way more drivers than we have, and we are still low on drivers.
It is mandatory that the drivers take a 30min break every X amount of hours which is enough time to change the battery to 75%
@@jaydenijtsma1134 That might be true if there weren't 50 other truckers trying to charge, is there enough "juice" at most remote trucking locations?
Watch future news for someone besides Tesla trying that same road trip and having to recharge. See Rivian and Ford F-150 Lightning demos where range falls off dramatically with a load.
Would probably be safer to buy the 500 mile range even if the company was only going to drive 250 miles or maybe 300 miles in a State that gets extremely winters .And if a EV truck has a problem .Depending on how far away it is to a EV repair shop .That EV may be out of service allot longer then it would take to replace a entire engine of a diesel truck at many closer areas .And to a trucker the truck is his company .
Most of the details provided in this video are incorrect. Tesla is already shipping the semi as we speak, this past week they pull 81k lbs at a distance of 500 miles. Also recharge time will be 30-60 minutes. It is real and its cost per mile is far below any deisel. Doesn't take much effort to prove the details of this video are simply false.
Just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t mean it’s not real. The Tesla Semi is engineering genius.
I don’t understand either, the Tesla battery energy density is less than 300wh/kg, diesel energy density is 10000wh/kg. If only 30% of diesel energy is converted to mechanical work, that’s still an order of magnitude more than the best batteries. Care to explain?
@@DinoAlberini Don’t ask me, ask the guy that built a rocket that could land on a floating platform in the ocean. Another thing that the “experts” said couldn’t be done. Regenerative braking and alternating between one to three motors may be some clues.
@@DinoAlberini The Tesla semi is several times more efficient than a typical diesel truck. That cuts your order-of-magnitude difference down to to 2 or 3 X. The rest is accounted for by the fact that the batteries weigh more than a diesel fuel tank. The extra weight of batteries is made up for by lighter components and the 2,000 pound greater allowed gross weight for electric semis (82,000 vs 80,000 pounds'). Multiply 3 times greater efficiency by lower cost per unit of energy for electricity over diesel and you will see that the fuel cost saving is very large.
@@jimroth7927 you can’t be serious. The car expert channel released a video two weeks ago driving from Adelaide to Sidney with a Tesla and an Audi, turned out the recharging cost for the Tesla was greater than the diesel for the Audi. Imagine how expensive would be to recharge the semi since more power equals to more expensive power. Also, to refuel a diesel truck it takes at most 20 minutes every 1500 miles, to recharge the Tesla semi, at 2kWh per mile, using the fastest Tesla charger is 4 hours every 500 miles. That’s 12 hours charging for 1500 miles all with only half of the payload hauled. Come on, this is basic math.
@@DinoAlberini Listen closely and learn grasshopper. The semi has a 1000 volt architecture, so won't use the existing chargers. It will use Tesla's new truck chargers which can give it an 80% charge (good for 400 miles fully loaded even thru the mountains) in half an hour.
All good things are worth waiting for, Tesla's king.
Making your fleet 100% electric doesn't really make sense, but have a few of these in your fleet for city runs would be a really good idea
Not practical in cold weather. Friend in Seattle had to sell her electric Chevy Leaf because she could not keep the heat on and drive very far in winter. And France (Europe) is much colder.
There is no such thing as a Chevy Leaf. I owned a 2012 Nissan Leaf it was an air cooled battery and the heater pulled a lot of power. I now own a 2019 Chevy Bolt and I keep the temperature at 72 degrees.
You forgot 100% electric Hyliion class eight semi truck
At the end of the day, still uses fossil fuels to charge the battery, same amount of energy burned with fossil fuels to make the electricity to power the EV semi, takes the same amount of energy to move the semi no matter if its EV or diesel.
Well, i think the advantage is, even though it can use fossil fuels to charge the battery, they are not limited to that one source of fossil fuel, (e.g. can also use gas, coal, not just oil). additionally can use other sources like Nuclear, hydro, Wind, Solar etc. So in the end, having access to cheaper energy will be a big deal, especially when charging time go down.
@@greenith that's where you assume the cost of energy will go down. As the demand for something goes up, so does the cost. The supply and demand of electricity and the cost adjusts accordingly.ind you the cost of mining lithium is a very dirty process and the cost and demand of it has shot way up and only going to keep going up. There is nothing cheap, clean or efficient about electricity when you look at what it takes to make it, just seems clean because you don't see any of the process coming out of your power outlet.
@@mistermacgray Well you forget that alot of money and research is going into cheaper energy sources (now that oil wont have a monopoly on travel) I think prices will always go up because of inflation across all sectors, how production prices of these newer energy tech will go down as they become more efficient.
As for mining, its always considered dirty, however lithium isnt the only way to make batteries (for big batteries, the tech has barely left its infant stage, so there is so much room for improvment, while with ICE, they are nears its peak of its efficiency).
As for resources, i think supply is always an issue, however for oil, once its gone, its gone, however for EV and batteries there are so many different ways you produce these.
So we can now look forward to long lines of electric semis waiting to be charged, an enormous burden on the grid and huge battery fires like Tesla cars. Should be lots of fun. 💥🔥
😂 lol. True fact.
Tesla battery fires are extremely rare, they almost never happen. If a single Tesla fire happens anywhere in the world it makes the headline news. Hundreds of vehicles from other manufacturers catch fire every day, but never get a mention in the headlines. Could the media be biased because old-fashioned car companies spend billions of dollars every year on advertising?
That's just because the US has poor infrastructure. BYD alone has sold 12,000 electric trucks. They're increasingly commonplace in China. The Tesla Semi can be sold to other markets which have sufficient infrastructure planning.
I don't see it happening, many truckers drive 1000's of miles per week.
We absolutely love your UA-cam channel Scotty ❤️
Except he’s wrong %70 of the time
Haters going to hate 🤘
Still the number one question is how's the electricity being produced and where is it coming from.
Given that it is now more cost effective to use solar and wind new capacity will generally not be coal or gas.
@@danharold3087 Do some homework please. That idea is nice but not practical in the 🇺🇸
Excellent point. If you're interested in the full emissions profile of an electric class 8 truck, you should check out Hyliion. Their solution supports zero tailpipe emissions when needed (up to 75-miles pure BEV, for ports and restricted areas), while having a "net negative carbon emissions profile" when used with RNG.
@@extremedrivr Why?
@@extremedrivr I get a kick out of the "Do some homework please." Most of the time the poster has it wrong.
How the winter effect on battery performance is going to be handled in semi trucks? How the loss of range at high speeds will be handled in semi? How the battery will hold if it is fast charged every time in semi? What will be the battery degradation and replacement cost of the battery as semi are high usage vehicles ?
🤫🤫🤫 you're not supposed to ask intelligent questions like that, they just want you to give them your money.
Technology is advancing quiet nice on EVs an the batteries. We just need to stick together as the human race, than to complain. That is the only way to defeat the bad governments.
@@Pt0wN973b0iI I have my 2nd ev. I’ve explored tesla too. The above mentioned issues are still being open red flags for Semi Trucks. Technology is not yet there to address them.
They battery itself has an HVAC so how does it know how cold or hot it is outside?
The answer for high speed problems is to drive 55 or 60.
Not perfect. Just has to make more money for the owners than ICE.
Someone talked about electric truck trains. One driver and a string of trucks. Overall operation cost less than rail.
@@danharold3087 the hvac for the battery works a lot more in extreme cold temperatures, where does that hvac get the energy from? Same battery pack.