MMA Fighter Reacts To Aikijutsu vs Karate Sparring
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Guillaume Erard an Aikijtusu and Aikido black belt had a sparring with Yusuke Nagano a Shotokan Karate black belt. In order to better understand their sparring, I asked professional MMA fighter Oliver Enkamp to react to the video.
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What is the responsiblity?
It is not the fault of THE two .
This has far less to do with styles and more to do with size. The Aikido guy weighs in around 220 pounds. The Karate guy about 150 pounds. This proves NOTHING. Aikido is and always will be a J O K E
@Craig G Why do you think they have weight classes in combat sports? And they always have. A good big man beats a good little man all the time. Do you know why? The little dude has to deal with the big dudes size. He gets hit ...his neck and jaw are smaller...lights out. The big guy gets hit by the little guy and ....not so bad he's felt far worse. Don't get me wrong a good little guy can beat an big average person....Size alone is an incredible force to overcome though.
@Craig G Well, first of all you competed at LH. That means that you were not giving up that much weight to a HW. And it's less of a percentage of the total. I'm just using raw numbers, but if a HW was say 200 pounds and you weighed 180, you were only giving up 10% in body weight. So you were not quite small enough to have a major size disadvantage, and you were fast enough to make up for it. A true little man would not be able to sustain continued punches from that 200 pounder. So I respect your empirical evidence...as that was your experience. But over all a good Big man beats a good little man. In short you were not a little man. I hope that makes sense to you friend
Hey! I know that dude 🤪
Yeah, the blond one totally looks like he could be your brother.
Yeah looks almost like you're family
Never gets old.
I'm a 6'4" black guy... but I identify as his brother
Aiki jujutsu honestly looks like sport pencak silat here
I love how humble Oliver Enkamp is in this video.
This is how a martial artist should be.
Yeah Oliver is great. I enjoy his and Jesse's content. The other one though likes to assume things and make statements on things hes not educated on. Why I don't subscribe to this channel.
@@billgober2 Could you share an example?
@@18ps3anos the fact that he trained under a hack aikido teacher doesn't give him knowledge of aikijujitsu at all. He has no idea what Daito Ryu even is he's never trained it. I've suggested that he train Daito Ryu many times in his comments directly to him and he ignores it. Modern aikido uses literally no application of aiki. It's all momentum nonsense with people taking ukemi for each other. He also talks about 15 other arts in his videos that again he's never trained and thus has no direct knowledge of. He does online research and then speaks on martial arts as if he has expert experience. Having two amateur MMA fights doesn't make him a fighter either.
100% agree.
Aikido and aikijujutsu teachings say that the hands have to be at the height of your waist. That comes from the fact that when they were developed, it was assumed that you have weapons on you at waist level and of course you have to defend them.
Look for example the guard that is taught to police officers. One hand is at neck level and the other is protecting the gun.
Sadly traditional martial artists don't seem to understand the reason, so they don't evolve.
Very true! However- mine definitely has! I don’t hesitate to adapt and borrow from other martial arts and systems to make my aikido effective in the modern day. We may be a minority in the Aikido community but we are definitely out there😎
I think some TMA do understand, but are more focused on preserving their art in its original form than making it a practical martial art. Its basically asian HEMA at that point.
@@captainbeaver_man903 Fair point. The problem comes in at some dojo’s who don’t tell students that this stuff while most like end up getting your ass kicked. We do it just for the art. Or- after the art has been preserved- frown on anyone colors outside the lines within their art it dojo. 😎
@@jasonrudolph491 100% agree.
@@captainbeaver_man903 well, I don't completely agree. I tend to believe that the preservation of tradition is an umbrella excuse to justify any criticism
Most traditional Asian martial arts claim that they also teach self defense
Its interesting seeing the emphasis of Aikijtusu in grapling since usually you would be fighting a opponent in armour, and so it makes little sense to punch and kick directly.
Exactly. It was al about losing your Sword and struggling to fight wearing the armor,etc
Therefore, ground techniques were essential for Samurai
@@bg4097 Not only losing, but being blocked during the draw.
This is why in aikido we start training with the adversary holding our arms. When you going to draw, and the opponent hold your arms to block your action.
The difference is that Aikijtusu you would break his arm, or neck. In aikido you end in the arm bar.
If you look close in Aikijtusu and Aikido, all movements are based on sword cuts, because that's what the samurai trained his whole life, so is easy to adapt to unnamed combat. Muscular memory.
When I trainned Aikido, before breaking my back, I found the movements easier to perfom, when imagining I was following the path of a sword in my hands.
I watched the original series of videos on this collabration. The sparring video is definitely playful rather than aggresive, while the follow-up videos are more of Guillaume Erard trying to teach Yusuke Nagano some aiki-principles that could be readily integrated into Nagano's karate (without trying to "convert" Nagano to be an aiki practitioner). In the final video, Erard mentions that he cross-trains in karate; but it's clear that he was trying to focus on his aiki-arts for the video series.
back in the 1980s my Karate (Kenkojuko Shotokai) said the difference between Karate and TKD is they throw way to many kicks in TKD, Karate striking should be 80 - 90% Punches/ Hand techniques and only 10-20% kicks, and the main kicks for self defense would be Kicks to the Knees and Calfs, while you don't want to blast someone in the kness in sparring the calf is fair game .... not sure why a Karate Practitioner would even throw so many kicks to begin with, and Karate has its own series of takedowns from Kubi Waza (encircle the neck), to Osto Gari (outside trip) to Seio Nage (Godan Kata application) to Kata Guruma (Empi Kata Application) among others yet he the Karate guy does not attempt one takedown, its clearly not a point fighting match so the Karate guy must incorporate more Karate and not just point fighting , he needs a better understand of Karate IMO and as Oliver says the fainting
At first I was really impressed by that video, but the more I watched the more it seemed like bad sparring practices against a much smaller opponent
Bullying. lol
Great idea to ask the opinion of Oliver, instead of comment yourself. Despite His age he really knows what He is speaking about and nevertheless stays humble and respectful. Though He’s rather an MMA practitioner He really has the qualities of a Martial Artist. Btw. His comments make a lot of sense!👍🏻
Yusuke Nagano is way too nice and timid. Understandably the Aki practitioner is double his size. This is not a good example in my opinion. Size matters.
If i fought a guy half my size i could do alot of cool moves
It’s good to see there’s already a version of aikido that has a more well rounded style.
So Aikijutsu is basically the "Spidermen pointing at each other" meme of martial arts
The real test would be if the fighters were really trying to hit one another like in MMA. It's easy enough for the aiki jujitsu guy to grab when the karate guy isn't going at full speed with full power. Everyone has a plan until they're punched/ kicked in the face.
every martial arts has advantages and disadvantages, in this world nothing is perfect 😁🙏
This is just two guys having a very friendly sparring session. This is not a fight. This is not a contest. There's nothing to evaluate. Trying to compare what they are doing with what another system might do in a real fight is stupid.
Karate guy is like a tiny kid in front of the other guy 😂😂🤣🤣
WEll, the guy is 6'2 so....Connor is about the same height as the Karate guy.
When Aikido loose, is the martial art's fault. When Aikido succeed, is the other guy's fault.
I've heard the same mantra so many times.
With respect you did work with an Aiki jiu jitsu practitioner.
Try that aikijutsu against Jesse Enkamp and then we can see if it’s good enough.
Might be interesting to see this with similar sized contendants, as the karateka can hardly reach even with his kicks, while the aikijiujutsuka gains space so easily.
The bigger guy looks like a giant compared to the karate guy. The sparring session showed nothing because the karate guy was not hitting but the giant was throwing. The little guy could not use his skills
To defend yourself, the first thing you need to do is to weigh 100 pounds more than your opponent!
Ideally
IRL combat the Shoto guy would be kicking kneecaps, not the head, this is pointless.
The Shotokan guy is really at a disadvantage because he's not allowed to throw strikes at full power so Aikijutsu guy can easily take the weak strikes and grab on to him and perform his moves.
Yeah this was my take too, karate guy was faster and if he was striking with force the bigger guy wouldn't be walking through the strikes.
That and the fact he’s literally a foot taller lol
@@m.b.593 That too lol
I agree
3.53 hit in my opinion.
There's probably a lot of this.
It have no effect because it didn't hurt.
Punch & kick without pain is hard to spot, take down is easier to spot.
Ah yes, Dan The Wolfman's school of Aikido - most effective against polite Asian dudes half your size.
Hahahahahahah!
Wow lol
That's not the Dan
Yusuke wasn't even hitting for real too.
Yep. Pretty common in an aikido video in some way.
I think the conclusion is that every martial artist should put an emphasis in light free sparring (I think this the most realistic form of training while avoiding injuries) , and cross training with other disciplines. Thank you, very interesting!
Or study a style where you don't have to train light. That's one of the main reasons BJJ is so effective. Yes grappling is a subset of 'total' fighting, but the fact that you can train it with intensity is why you develop skills that work in real combat situations. Light sparring opens up the window to lots of techniques that won't work when tested with full power.
I did Karate for 5 years as a teen and thought I was pretty tough because I'd always 'light spar' with adults. I was much lighter and quicker than them so it was easy to 'out point' them. But the key was 'light' sparring. When I got to college I tried some boxing and it was panic time to actually start to get hit. I realized I had 'pretend' fought in Karate and all the dancing around and glancing strikes was pretty useless when you were getting tagged with hard shots. I realized real quick that my Karate didn't hold up.
But to be clear, it's not the toolset that is the problem. Kicking and punching clearly work. The problem is the training methodology. Fighting is a rough, ugly, bulling, thing. If you sanitize it to make it safe you aren't learning to fight. Light sparring is the enemy, not the key to moving forward.
@@bryantharris5914 You are right. But there always be a compromise between reality and safety. As you said, that's the great advantage of BJJ or Judo, that you grapple vs a full resisting opponent without the same risk of head injuries like in striking arts. But what I mean by light sparring is by no means the karate point sparring (I do Shotokan, I know exactly what you mean), but move, strike dodge, etc, realistically, just control your strikes power, specially to the head
fyi ... face mask.
Yes, it required fund. Not suitable for national martial art.
But if you're privilege, face mask allows hard punch to the face without broken nose.
It's my preference, not everyone choice.
@@laperrablanca1 I completely agree. There's a definite middle ground between light point fighting sparring and an all out full contact brawl. That's where I think striking sparring should generally happen.
I think there is a sweet spot and some places might be finding it. I think tons of light sparring is fine if punctuated with a hard sparring day every few months or maybe even 2 or 3 times a year. I did boxing and was sparring too much, I did TKD where there was very light and unrealistic sparring, then I did some kickboxing and I think they had found a good middle ground there: technique for a few months, drills, light sparring and if you demonstrated competency at those other things, then sparring, the instructor and more experienced guys would sort of point out what you did wrong, right, etc. during the hard spar then focus more on those things for the light sparring and drills.
Hi guys,
Thank you for offering this fair and informative analysis (the extended one too). What you said makes perfect sense and I'll for sure focus on some of the points you raised during my next sparring sessions. Size indeed matters and I rarely get to practice with people my size here in Japan. I do engage in more intense sparring at the Kyokushin dojo where I learn karate, and several of the people there are much closer to my size. Indeed it's a different ballgame even though for sure, grappling remains somewhat of a blind spot in that context too.
As for the video that you commented on, it was indeed a very friendly light sparring. I had never met Yusuke before but we got along immediately and really had a blast exchanging ideas. I am glad that this good atmosphere and mutual respect transpires in his video. I can't remember if Yusuke mentioned it in his videos but he specifically asked me to show him things that he might be allowed to use during his Shotokan matches. I have no idea whether any of it was ever useful to him in the end but that was the general idea. :)
Thanks again to you both of you for spending time looking into this. It's a lot of fun to cross-train in any martial art and it's great to receive some informed and constructive feedback.
All the best
Guillaume Erard
Hi Guillaume! It's really great to hear from you and I really appreciate your great points shared in this comment. I've been in a number of sparring sessions where the styles are different and it's done for the first time (I'm usually the bigger guy too) and it usually ends up being very light sparring with occasionally some awkward (in a good way) and unpredictable moments since both fighters want to make sure everything is safe and the ruleset is usually ambiguous. It's too bad some viewers take it all too seriously and think it's a death match between too styles, instead of a fun, friendly exploration and end up criticizing things which are not essential. Still it's always fun to look at these sparring sessions, share some thoughts and take some learning experiences from it! Thanks again for sharing the sparring and taking our analysis in a positive light!
Hi Guillaume, first thanks for the video, second, I apologize for possibly being rude, but about how much you weigh? You look a lot bigger that Yusuke.
@@edwhlam Yes you are right, I'm 86kg, so I'm a lot heavier than Yusuke. Incidentally, Yusuke and I had never met before he invited me to do this video and as Oliver and Rokas rightly pointed out, it was obviously not meant to be a fight necessitating a weight equivalence, but a friendly exchange of ideas.
@@guillaumeerard Thanks. Wow, Yusuke is smaller than I thought. Anyways, not every sparring match needs to be competition. Glad it was a friendly exchange.
Supplement your Karate with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's made for smaller fighters and 6 months to 1 year and you will be a different animal.
Really interesting to watch. Also I loved the fact that Oliver compared Kumite point based Karate to fencing, it has always been a point I always made why comparing it with other striking based competitive environments.
Semi-contact and modern fencing have a lot in common due to the fact that representing the possible effects of the hit is left to the ruleset and not a byproduct of the strike itself.
See you often under these types of martial arts videos.
@@junichiroyamashita I love and practice(d) many martial arts :-)
I cone from a brutal Muay Thai background but I have a lot of respect for Aikijujitsu and Japanese Jujitsu, both have saved my life in critical grappling situations on the street and knife attack confidence.
I mean, when difference in size and reach is this big, what are we actually comparing, really?
This is a ~180cm/85kg man against a ~160cm/60kg much younger man.
Although you can see that Yusuke's point sparring vices are detrimental to his performance, to say this is aikijujutsu against shotokan is quite disingenuous.
Exactly. You put someone of that size with minimal training in anything versus the shotokan guy and I feel like you would have almost the same video. The aikido guy could just barrel in at any time, fling the smaller karate guy around, and not get punched in the face because of the pulled shots.
Agreed. I was scrolling down the comments, and you were the first one to point out the major size difference.
You are all right. The Aikijujutsu guy Erard, must face with someone of his size and weight in equal degree of experience in an _striking art_ and without restrictions of style (this is: full power striking allowed) and not with a polite japanese half his size. Only then, anybody (and he) *could* called this a _sparring_ . Otherwise it is just a playground and a detrimental nonsense. The only thing Erard does _effectively_ in this "sparring" is to leave Aikido / Aikijujutsu in a worse position than it is currently in at the face of the public opinion.
60 kg is being generous.
Unless it's against like a phenomenally talented grappler like Shinya Aoki, that size disadvantage is definitely going to favor the larger guy.
Hey Rookas, check out some underdog sumo fights, many of them look like aikido principlies applied ;) Sumo wrestlers use kuzushi and enemy force to throw them or push them out. And this is very reasonable, if you think about rules of sumo ;)
Yes! Iirc, Ueshiba actually trained in Sumo as a youth, and it's how he got those principles.
Kuzushi is also quite prevalent in judo.
@@michaelterrell5061 hell yeah
The description should be using the term Aikijujutsu, not Aikijutsu (based on the title affixed to the original video).
With all due respects, if you are to refer to Daito-ryu in your video and provide a description for the practice, I would suggest you go beyond reciting what is often uttered by individuals with no real knowledge of the tradition.
Oh Rokas saw Yusuke Nagano’s sparring session! Aiki-jujitsu vs Karate to see the difference in their styles through their techniques. Still always great to hear Oliver’s point of view to study Yusuke’s movements while Rokas studies the aikido-ka’s movements
Great stuff, I like you guys as a team!
The critique was spot on IMO. More collaboration please
More collabs with Oliver is on the way!
Aikijutsu and Aikido are NOT the same. sorry, I respect what you are trying to do. But Aikido has a religious and culty vibe and it is spreading regrettably. People look for different things in MA and that's ok. As long you don't become delusional as it happens too often with martial arts that don't spar. Aikijutsu used to be one aspect of Bujutsu and other forms of martial arts. But Aikido is like reading the last 40 pages of a 900 pages book and then making a sequel.
Yusuke is officially “ the Karate 🥋 Guy “ 😁
You should definitely check out Robert Silas, a daito Ryu aikijujutsu blackbelt, who I believe also studies BJJ under one of the Gracies, I'm not sure which
Great commentary. Obviously size was an issue but great techniques
Maybe offer the akijitsu guy to have a spar for a video that could be intresting or maybe have him spar a pro mma fighter would also be really intresting
Thats stupid, is like trying to apply history knowledge to solve a math problem. Aikido and Aikijujutsu were never meant to be in MMA match.
Would you guys say that point fighting is detrimental in terms of Fighting/Self Defense?
I understand that there is value to it's footwork and distance management but is it not dangerous for the muscle memory to stop and leave yourself wide open after one strike?
Great video btw.
My main takeaway in their sparring match is how strength and size could overwhelm, but like what Oliver mentions I wonder how well he could pull those throws off if the Karateka wasn't pulling his punches
It has it's place. You can not jump right into full contact kumite, without having 1-2 years of point fighting. Think about it as intermediary level, preparatory. Easier to transition to full contact once you developed legwork and timing in a safer enviroment than going from 0 experience into full contact.
I think it can offer valuable skills, but it shouldn't be the only type of training in one's arsenal.
I think point fighting can teach fundamentals about speed, reactivity and setup. It shouldn't be an end in itself, though. Just another training method.
If that is all you do then your muscle memory will take over in real fighting. You won’t be able to follow through with your strikes because the range you are used to sparring at is not a good range to penetrate into the target or follow through with the strike. Think of the difference between a slap performed with just the finger tips compared to one where the bones of your palm is involved. Same motion, but the transfer of energy is greater.
all i see is a grown man bullying a high schooler half his size.
My AikiJutitsu has been useful in my Mma sparring, as I get better with kickboxing I see more AikiJutitsu opportunities. As for the BJJ part, my partner say I have great defense.. My AikiJutitsu teacher were awesome (they always emphasize punching first ahah). Ps: I think there could have been a more "equal" sparring and result might have been different
A real master of the style; Aikijutsu is in Phoenix. His name is Robert Henri Vilaire. I trained with him for a short time. I stopped training because at the time I was getting my black belt in Tae Kwon Do. That was almost 30 years ago. I have seen him in action and he is incredible, a very peaceful master with about 50 years of experience. I am not sure if he is in Phoenix now. He might still be there. He goes all over the world including Japan to demonstrate his techniques.
6:10 is a great clip of Qi La La who's a Wing chun practitioner and an amazing example of how to develop TMA
Qi La La is awesome!
Has anyone mentioned the size difference? That plays a major part in the effectiveness of karate strikes. 5'6" 140lbs vs 6" 210lbs isn't exactly a fair fight for comparisons sake.
I have, but in metric :D
@@Plantaman lol
Totally unfair. Allways like this, but if Karate guy goes full force, most fights would have end in seconds!
This is from a Shotokan guy, that also does BJJ!
Grappling is good but it's so crazy overhyped since the Gracie days - filled with paid matches and rules, set up them etc. A really dirty buisness with propaganda and lies!
So No, BJJ or whatever grappling is Not supreme, as the saying goes - there is no better style - it's all up to the practitioner. Should be Obvious to anyone by now!
Karate will allways be one of the best tho, as first time selfdefence, and jujutsu/judo as a compliment IF things goes wrong, and one end up, where one never ever should be in a real fight - the ground, yeah the damn ground!
If ending up there, do all you can to get back up again!
OZU!!
This video looks like a man fighting a child.
Gaulimme Erard is a good Aikijujutsu. Can you interview him?
I'll see about that. I don't know much about him or his approach so I don't know if he's the best candidate to talk to. Hopefully I'll get to get to know him one day and I can decide then
@@MartialArtsJourney Thank you, from what I saw from his video is that his Japanese Sensei said that Aikijujutsu actually dont throw, we broke bones, he also said that every punch is Wakizashi attack to stab or to slash. That is very interesting to me.
The karate guy is at a pretty big disadvantage size and weight wise it looks like the Aikijutsu guy has at least twenty kilos on him which means he has a big advantage when comes to clinching and any close quarters fighting in general
Japanised savate vs aikiJiujutsu
Sparring is key period, any fighting style, or you have no idea weather if your training is effective at all
Really interesting video! Out of curiosity, have you considered doing an Aikido sparring against an untrained person? Maybe see if an untrained friend would be down for a video of you guys sparring? It would be very interesting to see how someone with no serious training attacks and reacts to Aikido!
There was this video that I watched about trained vs untrained involving a knife. I forgot from what channel. Probably Fight Commentary Breakdown. I can't exactly remember.
In the video, there was a fight scenario of trained fighter against a knife wielding untrained opponent. Every person in their right mindset would know, even if you're good in martial arts, self defense, etc, you'd still get cut if there's an attack involving a knife. The point I'm trying to make here is the mindset. Be it the assailant, or the one defending against him/her. The untrained fighter would just stab, stab, stab, stab, and stab. Anywhere, everywhere, as long as it's his opponent's body or limbs. This was a spontaneous safe situation. The trained fighter got tagged good. He was "dead" after the fight. And I think that also applies with unarmed conflicts as well.
The point I'm trying to make is, make a spontaneous, safe sparring and see what happens. Trained fighter vs untrained fighter who just keeps on swinging. Just like Oliver said, coming in "combos", if you like. And also factor the height and weight of each. I think it would be interesting to see.
@@abdillahazhar1833 I think I saw that same video! I agree with spontaneous safe sparring between a trained and untrained person. Almost every video I have seen is about one trained person versus another trained person.
Personally, I have had interesting situations arise when I spar with friends who don't have much training. They do things you wouldn't expect and have taken me by surprise plenty of times. I think a lot of traditional martial arts are designed more to deal with random folks who don't know what they are dealing with rather than equally skilled opponents in an agreed upon match.
I think that we often view self defense as the epitome of unarmed combat. I think of it as the lowest common denominator of combat where certain "tricks" work that would never work against a prepared enemy. Even in war, unarmed combat has never been the primary method of violence and old school jujutsu or karate serve as dirty tricks to surprise an unready enemy at close range.
My background is as a 1st degree blackbelt American Kenpo Karate (Ed Parker lineage) and I regard most of thee self defense techniques as useless in the ring but a decent number could work if executed aggressively against an unready, untrained, opponent. Essentially, I see self defense as sucker-punching with style! Thank you for your detailed comment, I enjoyed learning another perspective!
@@ThatKenpoGuy Sucker punching with style. I like that!
I've only practiced Karate when I was a child. I didn't go to any school or dojo. My older cousin taught me basic kihons. Helped me quite a lot during kids fisticuffs. Got into a TKD extracurricular activitiy in highschool for a few months before it went into hiatus. Now I'm stiff. I'm 36, and quite severely near-sighted but have been longing to take on Karate lessons again, and BJJ if possible. Just for my own health benefits. Haha.
Back to the randomness of situations in a fight. I can agree that martial arts was designed for random people who don't know what they're getting into. I guess that's why lots of Chinese Martial Arts school back in those "glorious" days went to such lengths to protect their art so as not to be stolen. Practicing at night and only passing down "secret" techniques to certain people who were deemed "worthy". This, and quite a lot of other things are, in my humble opinion, was the one thing that deteriorated the art itself. A teacher would die, and all "hidden" knowledge went away. Or, because of limitations of their time, informations weren't passed down properly and the meaning in their movements got lost throughout the ages. Even so, I can find something quite fascinating about breaking down elements in martial arts that considers flinch responses and such. It takes so much into consideration the most basic psychological aspect of humans: pain. And that, in and on itself is supposed to be THE most basic lesson of martial arts.
In this day and age, though, you gotta prepare differently, because we don't know, somewhere around the corner, somebody knows somethings about defending themselves. Even an untrained person would still have fighting experiences. Not to mention some people bringing firearms with them. Firearms are strictly regulated in my country. But machete, knives, sickles and such are quite common. They're daily used tools in everyday life. Also mob mentality. You gotta prepare for all sorts of situations.
A tiny little guy Vs a bloatmaxer, when he swung him around like a playground bully I laughed
And?
Million degree black belt. No head guard in sparring....
What the hell they want to proof fighting a man in triple size. ?
As someone who has been sparring both light and full contact for decades, I can tell you that sparring lightly lends itself to completely unrealistic outcomes when one doesn’t understand the concept. Grappler types will always ignore or grab incoming kicks or punches because there is nothing on them and they are moving at 25% to 50% speed. Grabbing properly set up, hard and fast, incoming strikes or even avoiding such, can be extremely difficult, if not virtually impossible in real life, and in fact, it teaches teaches grapplers bad habits that can get them knocked out. Getting lightly taped is very different than actually getting smashed in the face or body, as is having your leg cracked with full power, and the reactions to such occurrences are not even remotely similar. That’s why when I light spar against grappler styles, I mainly just throw them and sweep them. If both parties understand what light sparring is for, it’s great and both parties can learn from the experience, but when they lack that understanding, it’s useless.
Would like to see the aikido guy against a top bjj black belt.
I like this video, but I can’t help but feel the laundry list of excuses is kind of a little misguided. “Oh aikido guy can go full force and karate guy can’t” I mean let’s think about this. If the big guy went full force with his size difference it would have been different. He doesn’t spike the karate guy and doesn’t make him have uncontrolled falls, and in return the karate guy doesn’t go for knockouts, so that seems misleading to claim one is 100% while the other isn’t. Most aikijutsu falls are designed to make a person land on their spinal column or head, that would be the 100%. Most strikes are meant to really put someone out, that would be 100%. Both these nice gentlemen are keeping it light and fun. Which a lot of Muay Thai schools emphasize because it allows for learning without people getting destroyed from 100% and therefore limiting their learning from having to stop from injury.
Worth mentioning the background of this sparring match as well. The karate guy (really nice instructor by the way just can’t remember his name) was being critical of an aikido demonstration video saying he could easily handle the style (playfully) then behold days or weeks later he gets to spar an aikido guy. There are a lot of things we can take from this, but the excuses are kind of mute. It’s two respectful instructors testing each other and keeping it fun and educational. That’s why later you see the karate guy adapt and start using angles.
Light sparring is a great bridge and tool for developing your martial skills. However, the focus should be on skill development, combo's, movement, positioning, etc. Whenever the focus/goal becomes scoring points, sparring tends to devolve into a game of "tag" and realistic fighting skill development leaves the room. Indeed, same goes for fencing, just compare Olympic fencing with HEMA fencing for example.
A lot of Thai boxers in Thailand prefer to only spar light, they tend to not wanna spar with you anymore if you consistently go too heavy. And it's not like they're not getting anything out of a light sparring session. Their focus however is on realistic skill development.
Imo "winning by rules" usually has fighting realism take a backseat, more or less determined by said rules. And obviously often for good reasons. But it can get a little ridiculous. Of course a game of tag can still net you an Olympic medal by just walking into someone's kick and getting yourself knocked out though 😊
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Seems like the bigger dude is just more experienced, I think a more seasoned and maybe larger karate ka would have done better.
the karate guy was clearly way more limited, as you guys said... which make this sparring kinda weird
I wonder how it will turn up if that Aiki Jujutsu guy go against Jesse Enkamp in sparring. That would be interesting.
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There are some fundamental differences between Aikido and Aikijutsu.
Much like the difference between boxing and Thai kickboxing...
There are similarities in techniques, but very different.
DAITORYU Aikijujutsu is not Aikido ueshiba soften the art to control your opponent but DAITORYU was created to maim or kill your opponent, and it can match any martial art out there, remember it wasn't created to be a sport but it was created to main and kill your opponent which is applicable today as it was 900 years ago also remember it was the samurai martial art
I'm from a point fighting background and a couple times I sparred bigger guys in a continuous sparring context. It always annoyed me when I would pull my roundhouse head kicks and the guys would barrel through them. At the end you could always tell they thought they won, but the instructor would always give me credit after-the-fact. I started using more side kicks and back-kicks because having my foot flash right in front of their eyes forced them to respect it a little more.
You shouldn't say "aiki jujutsu" but "aiki jutsu". Ju-do, Ju-jutsu. Aiki-do, Aiki-jutsu. ;)
Ooof, that was one sided. I’ve read the comments and listened to the analysis and still can’t determine exactly WHY it is. The shotokan guy did not commit at all! Not a single strike landed. Was it because they were doing light? Even in my light sparring we tried to land the hit, just not at full force. Otherwise there’s no training. Was he holding back due to hesitation? The other guy outweighed him by near 100lbs.
It just wasn’t fair.
This is basically, big guy pushes small guy
Aikijutsu seems like Aikido, but without the pacifism..... I do not advice you to spend years learning this art, but maybe get a manual of the movements, and watch how they are performed in a video or get some lessons, as I see they will shorten the time and effort you'll spend transforming Aikido movements into effective ones..... you already spent few years and managed to transform just one..... so maybe with a more agressive version of Aikido you can make many more moves work as well.
Hey Rokas, you should train with Jake Mace. I'd die to see that 🤣
I think aikijutjitsu has a window of opportunity in a fight. It's shown in that video of course. Not everyone attacks in combination look a Stephen Thompson. Even boxers throw out jabs.. I would like that guy to fight someone his weight more to give a better gauge of it's effectiveness
The guy trying to do Karate was AFRAID of the guy using Aikijutsu. He was larger and more confident.
The Karate guy never found his center; his HARA - therefore was unable to bring any actual force to a strike.
His FEAR of his opponent defeated him.
It's actually much easier to control a larger opponent in combat (for those people talking about size difference), but only when that opponent commits fully without fakes and feigns. This video was spot on regarding the karate fighter just doing one thing. Good fighters do multiple things, multiple times -- even just head fakes can throw off my aikijutsu, which is why I cross-trained. Aikijutsu alone is like fighting one-handed, and that never works against trained guys. Where I disagree in this video was regarding the qusetion of combos, seriously trained aiki people love combos and yes, they trained against them. The combo typically gives much more energy than the single punch because the torso is moving. When torsos move, Aikijutsu starts a pattern of movement that can be destructive for those who haven't trained against it.
Whenever you put two people from different styles together the result is always a mess - just arms, legs and bodies going every which way with no real purpose. They just try any old thing, usually the first thing that comes into their heads, but it rarely works. There is no real strategy, the most important one being to find the weakness in the opponent’s techniques and capitalise on them. I think the aikijujutsu guy showed more restraint and though more about what he was doing. Just kicking in mid-air hoping to land a hit, which the karate guy was doing, is a waste of energy and opens oneself up to a counter. But in all fairness to the karate guy, a match up like this is impractical as the karate guy is profited from striking with any real force, enough to knock the guy out or do some real damage), while the aikijujutsu guy is allowed to throw and put a lock on to win the sparring match.
The acknowledgments of when a clean hit lands in a light sparring like this makes a difference. It looks like they were a little unclear when to disengage when a strike lands. In these kinds of randori sparring sessions you must be clear and reasonable about what is a clean hit. I think that's the karate guy would fair better after a 2nd time around. However looks like size aside the other guy has more skills.
I saw zero Aikijutsu. I trained Aikijutsu for 20 years. Perfect observations, the Aikido guy doesn't appear to have pressure tested his skills and the Shotokan guy is hampered by his sport fighting training. Training should be exponentially more difficult than any fight you may encounter.
Such a size and weight difference, and reach too. And the MMA guy is only nidan in karate and nowhere near as much time-in. Not a fair match really. Get someone close in size and experience as Erard!
It's definitely not much of a test. Erard was clearly being gentle and barely scratched the surface of techniques available to him. Nagano is just too tiny and inexperienced to present a challenge. Erard was most likely afraid to hurt him. If he knows Tenshin Aikido's hand deflections, then he could definitely handle combinations too. As for defusing full speed attacks, fighters like Cung Le did this routinely during his career. He'd catch a full speed attack, then slam them like a meteor. This guy could totally do that with Daito-Ryu. A bit more sparring at an MMA gym and I bet he'd do well.
As an Aikijujutsu Yoseikan 4e degree black belt I realy dont understand why this aikijujutsuka should attack over and over because it is a DEFENSIVE art. Let the karate man full attack if he wants, then eliminate him in a split second. In MMA the 2 opponents are mostly forced to attack to score points/knockout/submission . If I dont want to fight , my opponent must fight or better is wise to stop it. A real life attack on me has proven this at cost of the attacker, in court. Aikijujutsu works if you know the basic rules, Defending.🥋
In a real full throttle karate fight, once they grab you you can use elbows, knees, head and neck grabs…Though it’s more like Judo/Japanese Ju-Jitsu, most karate styles teach to use osoto gari or the very easy, very effective “front leg bar” which is a throw achieved combining a sort of stretched arm blow+a sort of low rear ushiro geri at the same time…For Karate guys throwing is rare, but you do throw people because many times it’s the only fast way out of risking a wrestling situation. I highly doubt one experienced karateka would be so defensive and passive before one who is trying to pin him down…Let alone the Aiki-guy is twice the size…
There's no such thing as "Aikijutsu." There's Aikido and Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, but there's no "Aikijutsu."
To be fair, that aikijutsu guy wasn't doing anything that the average bigger guy couldn't do by rushing in and pushing a smaller dude around. Where were all the cinematic throws and fancy arm and walking escort finger/wrist locks?
From what I just watched, you can gain a functional sport-combat equivalent to aikijutsu by playing hockey or football for a weekend.
I feel bad for the karate kid. From the looks of it, there's at least 20kg difference between the two, not to mention the reach. PLus, the low stance, actually makes it difficult to react to takedowns.
Low sideways kicks are major problem. Very easy to be blocked and front kick the standing leg. So you down on the ground. Or leg to be punched. If kick harder? Simply will fall harder on the ground.
But,wait....Vs a Short Asian dude?,why this guy goes Aiki on Me?im Taller and Stronger than thim,and i throw punches and kics just like another street fighter...
Still stuck with and trapped by forms and styles even after all these years of training and talking? You obviously haven't been to enough serious fights in the real world. If you need to resort to physical means to resolve a conflict you have already failed as a martial art practitioner. If you need to resort to physical violence, your techniques, styles, forms are pointless ... Your body, mind and heart are the determining factors. All these comparison are meaningless in the real world, they are just academic paper talk...Sigh...Disappointing...I'm out of here.
aside from showing differences betweeen martial arts, i love seeing practitioners sparring and learning about other fighting styles, the shotokan guy is really open-minded as seen in other videos, having sparred with taekwondo guys per example, and learning some of the "tuls" (korean katas basically).
Most traditional martial artists never really spar comment is ridiculous, speak for yourself Martial Arts Journey guy, there are many traditional martial art schools that let players spar after 6 months of training............ Getting bruised and pained is normal............. Speak for yourself Martial Arts Journey guy.....................
Aikido and aikijujitsu are not the same stop saying they are. Yes Ueshiba created aikido and he basically washed out everything dangerous or that is practical. Until you go train Daito Ryu which I've suggested you do for idk 3 yrs now, don't comment on it like you know it plz. This is how you piss people off Rokas. You talk about arts you know nothing about when it's clear you didnt even know aikido fully. Using aikijujitsu and aikido interchangeably is ignorant and would piss off people from both arts. I used to defend you as a guy looking for knowledge now I cant anymore you're just ignorant and keep making content for the sake of money. Your stuff is clickbait. Oliver is talking sense here and I've never seen Oliver misstate himself or claim things he doesn't know. Most of his commentary here is about the Karate sensei not knowing how to apply his art to sparring and he is 100% correct.
Samurai never used aikido (or aiki-jutsu, for that). Samurai disappeared before Ueshiba, the founder of aikido, was even born. why this need of always involving samurai?
I guess it was different when I took Shotokan because our teacher was a semi pro kickboxer. We didn't train for points we trained and sparred for fighting. Lots of combos ,little bouncing, little retreating more plant your feet for balance and leverage no high kicking
Daito Ryu is the Original Style..Aikido is the"Tai Chi"of it...Seagal Misinformation Ruinned the Daito Ryu on The West...
Yusuke is kind of young and inexperienced, and Mr Erard is a lot bigger. I would rather see Mr Erard sparring with Tatsuya Naka Sensei. It might look a little different.
AikiJujutsu is not a war martial art; this is not accurate it is used for something else. possibly do you think now you should stop making comparisons with MMA eyes. MMA is not real fighting, it is sport fighting like kickboxing and every other sport fighting. I am happy you took my advice about judo.
Y'all can debate for hours. The only factor at play here is the Aikido guy being significantly bigger and possibly a lot heavier. In a "fair fight"/Sparring, heavier weight usually takes the cake easily.
Thing is we dont stay kids for long. Mma has to give way to something you can still recover from in middle age!