Aikido vs Judo - Real Sparring
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2021
- Aikido black belt with combat sports training decided to test his skills against a Judo practitioner in a sparring match.
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My name is Rokas. I'm a Lithuanian guy who trained Aikido for 14 years, 7 of them running a professional Aikido Dojo until eventually I realized that Aikido does not live up to what it promises.
Lead by this realization I decided to make a daring step to close my Aikido Dojo and move to Portland, Oregon for six months to start training MMA at the famous Straight Blast Gym Headquarters under head coach Matt Thornton.
After six months intensive training I had my first amateur MMA fight after which I moved back to Lithuania. During all of this time I am documenting my experience through my UA-cam channel called "Martial Arts Journey".
Now I am slowly setting up plans to continue training MMA under quality guidance and getting ready for my next MMA fight as I further document and share my journey and discoveries.
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At least you are willing to test your Akido techniques against other arts which I do appreciate
"When my Aikido proved absolutely useless in a real fight, I used my combat GUN-Do training, pulled out my .45 Colt automatic, and shot him in the head five times!" (From my video "AIKIDO versus Boxing")! Proof positive that Aikido can work sometimes, but ONLY when using a real martial art to overcome the completely unrealistic fantasy scenarios used in martial "swimming on dry land" dancing routines as practiced in "martial" Pyrrhic dance arts such as Aikido! 😜
Ok.
I have studied Yoshinkan Aikido for years and have had the opportunity to use it regularly as bar and special events security. Aikido is very effective in real life situations. However you must utilize Atemi. Distraction techniques are essential. Also approach with a mindset of overwhelming your subject to arrive at a peaceful resolution. This is what O-sensei taught.
@@jeanlloydbradberry9099your off your meds
FINALLY!!! An Aikidoka who engages in pressure testing with a non-compliant opponent and is completely, 100% honest about the results.
An aikidoka with years of MMA-training at this point... If I take a JW and teach him biology, that's not his JW-base that's going to save him in a debate against an evolutionary biologist. It's the biology.
That judo guy is not resisting, lol. He's at like 2% in that video. Give me a break.
@@TopShelfMontana - fair. He's also not faking responses like every Aikido uke you see out there in every demonstration. So, yeah; he might be only resisting at 2%, instead of breaking the neck of the Aikidoka, but at least he's resisting...
Which goes to show you that similar styles and skills result very much in a stalemate.
Yes, but judo is not a martial combat sport but wrestling! Trying to do judo against a sword!?! Aikido needs frank attack, something unknown in judo!
That was an amazing experience, thank you Rokas 🙇🏻♂️
Thank you for making it happen 🙏
I've been subscribed to both you guys for some time.
Thank you for continuing to share such thoughtful & educational videos.
Salut Chadi notre judoka nationale 😁
@@mgtowlite7414 thank you
@@haljordan6609 Salut🙋🏻♂️
I studied aikido for a bit as a kid and have picked up various different fighting skills through the military I can say one thing for sure: no matter how good you are, there is always someone better. Don’t ever get cocky because you will never know the skill of the other guy ahead of time. Best to avoid confrontation if possible and when that isn’t possible then fight like your life depends on it….because it does.
That's been my motto my whole life.
Ueshiba Morihei had a tremendous knowledge of martial arts and Ju Jitsu, in forms that we don't practice anymore. This came at the end of an era when Ju-Jitsu were survival techniques that could allow you to live another Day.
Both Kano and Morihei developed their Do from those techniques, purging what they deemed too dangerous to stay.
The overall knowledge by Morihei of many technique made him a more effective practitioner to any modern aikidoka, as he was, by his own choice, applying only a minimal part of what he knew, but with a comprehensive awareness of what his adversary could apply.
This is the part of the martial arts journey I’ve been waiting for, as at this point you’re kind of on the way to rediscovering what old aikido may have looked like. I’m very excited to see how thisngoes
Don’t get too excited. That judoka was not giving much effort or applying appropriate timing. If you want to go more old school, take aikido, paying close attention to all the uses of the circle then go take judo and apply that movement to those techniques. That will give you jujitsu that you seek.
@@oldmanjudo Always practice again resisting opponent is the key to evolve your own fighting style
It's so nice seeing someone take on a bunch of styles and analyse their differences. Although it's "Aikido vs Judo" it feels like more than that, like two guys testing their styles to find what works and what doesn't. Regardless this mentality has been a huge inspiration to me and my martial arts journey and I think it should be embraced.
It's also interesting to hear about how young judo is a martial art that focuses so heavily on philosophy. It makes sense being that the world at that time was becoming more social-based and less hierarchical, but, oddly, it seems that there's a preconceived notion about the virtues being old and stuff.
Please keep up the amazing work!
I suggest you look up Minoru Mochizuki - a direct student of both Kano Sensei, Ueshiba Sensei, and Funekoshi Sensei (shotokan karate) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoru_Mochizuki - he would go on to start Yoeseikan Aikido (the pre-war style of Aikido aka AikiJutsu) which is a combination of all three, including Katori Shinto Ryu - where he Mochizuki held a higher rank than Sugino Sensei. Yoseikan purists do not train in hakama, rather Judo gi, because in a simplistic explanation: a proper strike (shotokan) will be received and redirected (aikido), and a finishing throw/pin might need to rely on Judo to take the uke down. (eg parry the strike, work outwards in - the wrist, don't have it? the elbow, don't have it, the shoulder, don't have it, thus controlling the body or head usually ends up creating the necessary kazushi to execute the throw/pin/lock, etc.) Fun to watch KSR, Yoseikan, and practice if you're lucky to find a Yoseikan dojo. Yoseikan Aikido's signature move(s) is in the Sutemi Waza class (sacrificing throw), where you (nage) are fully-committed to the throw by sacrificing everything (your ground, stance, position) and depending on which sutemi technique you are executing, its a death blow - driving uke's head/neck into the ground = because nothing hits harder than the ground. Enjoy going down that rabbit hole if you want. Cheers! Train safely, and the best technique is always the one where you're not hanging around...
This shows multiple lessons - for me one of the main ones is studying multiple disciplines. Knowing what your opponent is trying to do because you’ve studied the same art gives you the benefit.
Brilliant video and thank you for sharing this
🙏🙏🙏
Hey Rokas,
Been Following your Journey since 2017 and I Absolutely Love seeing where it's taken you. At the end of your video you left off wondering what Kano saw in Morihei Ueshiba's art that made him send some of his students to learn from him. At that time, Ueshiba was still teaching mainly Daito Ryu as it was during the pre-WWII period in Japan. In the same way that grappling has clearly shown better mechanics to make Aikido more applicable, have you ever considered looking to the parent art (Daito Ryu) to see what mechanics are still present there that may be missing in modern Aikido? Just a thought. Absolutely love seeing your journey and thank you for making this channel! Do you still do any BJJ competitions or solely MMA at this moment? Sorry your teacher discouraged you taking up other arts (especially when you showed prowess at BJJ) but glad to see you weren't deterred. You've become a more well-rounded martial artist and individual as a result.
I haven't really been the biggest fan of Aikido, but seeing you on your martial arts journey and how you apply certain techniques kinda gives me hope for that martial art. hopefully more people taking Aikido get the interest to apply those skills in a more functional setting
He did not use Aikido.
He basically used MMA. Aikido cannot against any other martial arts or even untrained individual.
He proved it in other videos, and internet and real life proves that. If you google, there are not a single video of an Aikido practitioner winning a fight or even sparring.
While there is millions of videos where martial arts fighters another martial arts or martial arts vs untrained street fighter.
He just got so much backlash he had to make a video with the title Aikido vs Judo and seem somewhat functional because he got threats from the Aikido community.
He already said that Aikido doesnt work against other martial arts.
Look at 04:15 he shows what he used was wrestling and not Aikido.
@@vipr1142 It doesn't work as a whole martial art... But there are definitely techniques which a MMA Fighter absolutely can apply to his arsenal...the way of armcontrolling on the ground is somewhat useful...especially as a BJJ Artist...in every Martial Art there is something useful...always
Well, he said he used Aikido.
Plus, Chadi also used some Aikido technique, something beyond what he was supposed to use.
Aikido is like Tai Chi in some aspects they both started as a martial art and became a body mind discipline. But while Tai Chi was watered down across centuries and became that, Ueshiba seems to have made himself the transformation, after the USA atomic bombs
From what I gather if people are not running at you the utility of Aikido takes a big dive, particularly in the ring and a proffesional setting but ask yourself do people on the cobbles run at one another? The answer is a resounding Yes. Often they will sprint at one another, so is Aikido potentially useful? Could it be extremely useful or save your life thats the point away from proffesional considerations right? Or is it more like purely art like tai chi perhaps? There must be some real potential use there imho.
i forget the name at the moment but there is this younger guy in japan with a channel on here and he is actually extremely good with akido, took it myself but never understood or learned to use it until i learned tai chi and wing chun.
You’re definitely much further along with applying aikido to more practical use than you were before. Keep improving! Can’t wait to see where you end up!
Aikido v2.0 (which you are kind of describing in other vids) that includes Okinawan Karate strikes is something I would be very interested in. I'd prefer something that keeps me on my
two feet as I am getting older. Wrestling would wreck me now. Striking and grappling I can handle. Having a metal walking cane also helps.
Judoka for twenty years then tried Akido, I was so disappointed that it wasn’t as applicable in self defence as it looked. Ended up taking up Muay Thai and I instantly realized that I now had a much better match by combining those two. All this before the end the 1990’s.
I love your humble outlook & open mindedness to learning. Refreshing to see your take on things in a martial arts world of inflated egos.
I've read so many comments from people on UA-cam describing their experiences on applying Aikido in MMA and what not, and finally we get a set of videos to see someone go through the process. Really nice and I love how digestible and memorable the videos are!
Aikido is one of the worst martial arts 😂 literally any other martial art is better for self defence and fighting.
@@HG0124 Well yeah, Aikido is impractical, although it does have an interesting approach. The youtuber himself, Rokas, was disillusioned by Aikido and closed down his dojo and traveled and learned other (better) martial arts. I find the videos about his experiences quite insightful.
@@ssjcosty Why is it impractical? Because it is "not working" in specific situations under specific conditions against certain techniques? Man... the whole concept aikido being "impractical" is a joke based on no logic.
If you play soccer, why should you be good at basketball in a basketball match with basketball referees? Because this is what you are doing when you are comparing it to other sports.
The goal of aikido is NOT to be a street fighter. Or a successful MMA fighter. Aikido is not a fighting sport, actually it is not a sport at all. It is a martial art, based on martial techniques but the aim is to develop your techniques with your partner, help your partner in developing his/her techniques, develop the harmony in your movement and in your life. Practical objectives: be healthy and active, be flexible enough and be in a good overall condition to handle day-to-day stress better.
The other thing: self-defense is starting waaay before actual contacts. And aikido is great in this field because you'll be much more peaceful, harmonic, cooperative in your social life and spot the dangers way before it escalates. Fighting is just one, final part of a stress situation. An aikidoka wants to DEescalate and remain stable, he/she doesn't want to fight at all.
What if it escalates anyway to a fight? Man, I don't want to train years and decades for that 1-2-3 situations in my life and prove myself all the time that "I would be better in a fight", because I am still not sure I could use any of those "practical self-defense" arts in that certain situation - therefore I just train because I like doing aikido like all the other fellow students.
But that wasn't MMA.
@@patbalint That's cool if you like it as a exercise in harmony and fitness. Don't call it a MARTIAL Art then; which you did.
Factually, it is one of the most impractical martial arts out there. A martial art, lets not forget, is for the purpose of self-defense. Actually, lets remember what the 'martial' in martial arts means.
Also, if you're beat to death in one of those situations or unable to protect your family member then you may very well wish you had trained for that moment.
But, like I said, if Aikido is your happy place...go for it, my friend and enjoy.
I love the idea but you should go to a competitive Judo club with some national level players and do this again. It will be a different experience. Chadi is clearly holding back maybe due to his respect for Aikido.
Or go against a Wrestler
Chadi is going extremely easy and is very passive. Don’t know if that’s due to respect or whether he wasn’t really told what the purpose of this footage is for. It’s not a very good test of judo vs aikido. Either that or he is disappointingly low level for a black belt but I doubt that’s the case.
This video is super misleading and keeps the aikido myth alive with these videos of essentially fake sparring footage.
@@prandz420 myth?
Plen122 myth that aikido is at all effective against combat sports martial arts and especially combat grappling arts like judo. By presenting the arts like this, the channel is misleading people who don’t know any better to take up aikido over judo because they see them as being similarly effective when this is not at all the case. 999/1000 in a real fight a judo expert sends an aikido expert to the hospital.
@@prandz420 meh, I'm not interested in it as a sport so I'm good
I love this resurgence in looking at traditional martial arts and seeing how effective they are today … or as taught and practiced today. I didn’t use to be a fan of MMA but I am now, it is elevating all martial arts.
Nice video, history of origins and analysis on sparring. Thanks you... I really learn a lot.
Chadi is quite knowledgeable and familiar with traditional techniques that's why he was able to see it coming. That two handed grab set up for shihonage was also very obvious. I think it would have been better tried from a mona dori position.
@@shauxyapat3210 it’s not called going gentle, in this case. It’s called not being able to break his balance. I’m not sure what’s the cause as power-scaling is a real thing in martial arts as well, but it seems like Chadi isn’t generating any kind of power or is just over-powered.
@@kevintse2870 Bro the Judo dude isnt even fighting he would win in 10 seconds i he would fight
You've improved so much, man! It's so nice to see how you analyze and explain the techniques you use. Also, I remember your first videos and, duuude, you're a much more complete fighter now!
Cheers, bro!
That judoka didn't do a single effective kuzushi, his kumikata was poor, his tsukuri was executed offbalance/wrong and what was completely missing is explosiveness of judo. It honestly looked like a 5th kyu judoka at best. Actually it looked like 2 aikidokas, just one wearing a judogi and (poorly) trying some judo techniques. Interesting video though and nice history section of both arts.
The wrist of a judo player is very solid like a gymnast.. very difficult to use aikido proficiently against such a foe. Well done sir
It would be really interesting seeing you create your own Aikido version, with all you liked from Aikido's philosophy but also making it a usable martial art, of course with influence from BJJ and maybe Judo, etc.
Maybe some day you can have your own Aikido school, going back to your martial arts roots while knowing all you've learned about applicable martial arts.
It's awesome seeing you develop your journey and standing on a better mental place when it regards to Aikido.
Wish you the best on your journey.
Tomiki Aikido has a lot of randori ,hope Rokas goes to practice tomiki aikido soon !
@@LucasVigor true but works well in a grappling match
At that point would he not be better off just bringing the rare few effective techniques over(all the grips already exist in judo and bjj already) to bjj instead of trying to fix a broken clock
I love how you have come from (for a lack of better words) bashing aikido to analysing why things do and don't work, and understanding that the art it self isn't the problem, but the way people train it. That's good progress in your own budo journey 😊
Great video!! Whether or not something is applicable in real time the more you know the better of a fighter you will be. Keep up the good work friend
I'm late, but it's always such a pleasure to watch two dedicated students sparring live and learning from each other. Maximum props to both y'all.
Chadi is by far my favorite grappling youtuber. I love his breakdowns of other grappling styles comparing them to judo.
Wow Rokas did great here, I was surprised. It was nice that Chadi accepted doing it too, I watch his videos too. It was very interesting to watch.
Esse Rokas foi muito burro. No AIKIDO tem soco na cara, por qual motivo ele não desferiu nenhum soco?
Chadi is a black belt in Aikido.
@@alexandrealves2877 As regras não permitiam "atemi"(o que vc está chamando de "soco na cara"), só valiam regras de "grappling".
@@Marcoshary Exatamente por isso que chamei o Rokas de MUITO BURRO!
Ele jamais deveria ter aceitado regras que prejudicassem o AIKIDO, isso depõe contra a arte.
AIKIDO é 70% atemi, se ele não estiver usando espada nem atemi, não estará fazendo AIKIDO.
A postura dele está intermitente entre tori/uke logo no início do randori. Ele é muito burro, é uma vergonha o Rokas.
Love your channel and am constantly impressed with your humility and openness to improve. From a untrained observer's perspective it looked like you held ground well considering how you restricted yourself to Aikido as much as you could and your opponent was equally well versed in the moves you were trying to pull off while using a style you hadn't been trained in or against. Maybe one day you'll develop a version of martial arts that incorporates the different styles you've trained in and against.
That was among the best combinations of martial art analytics and application I have seen, in a while. Thank you for uploading this.
Chadi is an awesome creator, and your breakdown of the history of Judo was great and accurate. Keep up the good work!
Dedicated creator, but not a very good judoka.
I used to watch you when you were training aikido and started training jiu jitsu. I forgot about this channel for years and now it just hit me like hey what’s the aikido guy up to and I can really see you channel blowing up. Keep it up mate 🤙🏽🤙🏽
as a judoka myself this video was VERY interesting for me. i'm along for your journey man keep doing what you're doing, much love!
Thank you for the video. I currently am a three stripe brown belt in BJJ, but previously studied Aikijutsu. I have had some success at applying shihonage during BJJ sparring sessions, but have not been able to fully apply kote gaeshi in a traditional way. Thanks again for the video.
Nice vid. Won some, lost some. While I still have doubts about using aikido in any real world situation, this was a really good no BS video showing it in a practical application. I dig it.
3:45 actual sparring starts here
I really like your understanding and journey in the world of martial arts! This is the philosophy of Jeet Kune Do, always to improve oneself and not being rigid in any one style. Keep improving.
I applaud 👏 your journey Rokas! I too as an Aikido blackbelt (among a few other blackbelts in other more combat oriented arts) have worked very hard with my students to push traditional Aikido techniques to work under pressure. One trick we found essential with live sparring is you have to end up binding both the attackers arms or else you get punched 👊 repeatedly while working to execute the Aikido techniques. Once we trained that piece in many techniques started to work under pressure.
Interesting, would love to hear how do you bind their hands when they’re throwing punches?
@@19billdong96 probably smth in the direction of Chi Sao (sticky hands) from Wing Chun.
" binding both the attackers arms or else you get punched repeatedly" - LOL. No slam on Aikido but that statement is funny.
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Hi Rokas, ít´s amazing all the effort and positive vibe you put into developing your aikido, always great to see your videos. One piece of advice if I may, I have been practising aikido since 2000, and I am both a shotokan karate and aikido black belt. I am under the impression, by the way you try to carry out your aikido techniques, that there is a misunderstanding in the basic concepts of distance efficiency of aikido.To keep it simple, there are five combat distances in empty hand combat: long, mid, short, clinch, and ground. While the first three would involve mostly punches and kicks(karate, boxing, taekwondo,etc...), the clinch and ground would be mostly about throwing and submissions(judo, bjj, wrestling and similar), so here is the question, where should we place aikido technniques? Aikido techniques were born in the japanese battlegrounds when samurais lost their weapons, and there had to face an armed charging opponent. So we are mostly talking about defensive and counter techniques against long and mid range attacks. Not against clinch or ground attacks which would be "judo domain", as to say. So despite what most people believe about aikido, I personally believe that aikido is weak against proficient judokas or wrestlers if you try to go toe-to-toe with any of them. You have to keep your distance and provoke them to go into your game(long-mid range). Nevertheless, keep on with all the good stuff and walking your path. Your will eventually find the answers you seek:)
A decent analysis. Do not know anything about Aikido but some Judo as I did it in my youth- enough for partakin in international level competitions. Long ago. Anyways, as I said in my comment, this was either staged or was not done in the spirit of real contest. Too sleepy for that. Also judoka was much smaller, shorter and lighter in weight. Just too small to do any hurting. If judoka was same height and weight, and was committed and awake enough for some proper balance-testing action and competition-level roughplay, I'd be doubtful Aikido guy would have much to offer with his soft wrist movements.. Cheers.
I'm so late to the ball the band is on the bus but I'll ask this for the netizens with MA training. If the Aikidoer stays in the long-mid range and draws the judoka in to wrist grab range then the judoka is within a half step of clinch range. How does this help?
When I was kid, a long time ago, I remember hearing reports of the last wooly rhino to fall to a Clovis point on an atlatl dart, I was in TKD, a long time ago. For some reason I would always fight (spar) just outside of clinch but inside of the comfort range of a big side kick. That to say I was the judoka in the comments above to the Aikido dude needing to be at long kicking range so I get the illustration although from the other side of the contest.
disclaimer: I rarely sparred with anyone who could pull off a spinning side kick à la Joe Rogan unless it was an upper belt and they wouldn't let loose hard enough to injure me.
Google Joe kicking.
Performing osoto gari or similar hip throws against someone who knows Aikido (or Judo) is quite difficult. Great sparring session. Thanks for sharing!
I appreciate you partnering with Chadi for this. I’ve learned a lot about the history of judo from his channel and love his use of archived footage. You made some good points about the importance of training against a resisting opponent.
Our training Judo training group cross trains in Aikido a bit and we occasionally do mixed Judo+Aikido randori. We do a lighter randori, striving to capture the spirit you see in the old Mifune videos, and we allow atemi waza and joint locks, standing chokes, etc. If you have the opportunity to partner with Chadi again I’d love to see randori where both participants can use aikido alongside other grappling techniques with polite atemi waza allowed.
Wow
Nice to see you both sharing knowledge! That been said. Somehow I got the feeling that Chadi hold back. A lot of Judo throw can be 'forced' even though the timing or kuzushi is off. Hence not being the 'perfect throw without force. He opted for the more cooperative and productive way which is good in training and productive for oneself in the long run.
I would be interested to see how Aikido would come out under a more 'stressful situation.
Thats what i was thinking too, this was more experimenting and seeing what can work and its really hood video but i train judo for 11 years and chadi is not that great at forcing or guessing the timing for throw but i didnt want to comment anything. I am glad someone saw it too.
@@markomarjanovic4822 Yes. I think it's also an injury prevention thing. I am in my mid twenties and when I go in in randoir with my team mates it's a slaughter lol I guess when you are a bit older like thoe two Sirs you tend to step down the gas a little bit more. In the long run it will benefits them I realized. It's annoying being injured all the time because you randoriid like you do shiai lol
@@alLEDP I get you man i am 17 and man do we slaughter hahaahahahha, anyways its probs injury prevention as you said and trust me i know what you're talking about because i had ankle injury of ligaments and muscle tear up so it's a hell
Right ? He was what my coach would have called a Training doll or punching bag partner, it’s ok for drilling exercises and learning but for actual sparing it only hurts the progress of your partner because your not challenging them as you should. Not saying you should hurt your sparring partner but you have to go harder than this or it’s not sparring, it gets like he was only their to resist the moves and barley made any aggressive attacks or moves, and then when he did commit to a throw or anything it was halfassed
Thanks for interesting material!
This was very cool. I have a black belt(shodan) in Aikijutsu. But in my time training, I was taught many Judo techniques, the basics of Karate for striking, some Hawaiian Lua, and minimal jiu-jitsu. I'm least confident with latter, but I can handle myself on the ground. It was an academy ran by current and retired police officers for the most part. They were only concerned with practicality and self-defense so they taught us a variety of techniques. I haven't trained in a few years, but I'm beginning to want to get back into it, and this helped inspire me.
I think it proves that there's some space in grappling for standing locks - at the very least to facilitate movement if not finish the fight. But most aikido schools are never getting even close to making any of that work with their training methodology. Starting with the lack of sparring/rolling, but not just that.
One of those top students who went from Judo to Aikido was Kenji Tomiki. His lineage of Shodokan Aikido (sometimes called Tomiki Style) is something of a middle ground between judo and Aikido, and incorporates resistive randori. That doesn't mean every school teaches it effectively. In the years I spent getting to Nidan in Tomiki Style I encountered plenty of practitioners whose Aikido was just as theoretical as Aikikai. But you might find visiting a Shodokan Aikido dojo pretty interesting.
Am also interested in Aiki Jitsu. The soft - hard metging of techniques probably similar to early vetsions of Aikido🤔
LOVE THIS!! Little thing for any wrestleing moves you go for speed and strength are preffered such as slaming that sprawl or useing minor headbuts when locking up on the neck!!!
Thank you for this video and testing your skills and techniques in this was. It is educational to watch and I’m always a proponent of testing techniques and skills.
Having said that. I think we often view martial arts as a collection of techniques and minimize the fundamental principles that really make them work. In reality, the fundamental principles that make aikido, judo, and jujitsu work are all similar: balance, centerline power, timing, leverage.
While I appreciate the above demonstration and testing I think what is missing is a true attack. These types of light grappling seasons between two people who are very hesitant to attack and also very defensive, are very valuable, but also a far cry from a combat situation with a committed attack which changes things dramatically.
Unfortunately it is the martial dilema.: How to we train for reality while also being somewhat safe?
"If I want to apply other aikido techniques, knowing them will not be enough"
So I used to take guitar lessons with an incredible player. I wanted to get more into jazz improvisation and so I took on learning 'Donna Lee' by Charlie Parker. After hours of working at it I could eventually play the chords and the melody in time with the music.
I came back to our next lesson and he asked me "so you know Donna Lee now?" And I said "yes", to which he responded "no you don't." We then proceeded to play the chord tones in different orders on every chord change, we look for ways of playing the chords and melody at the same time, we would play arpeggios off the third tone of each chord on a change, and so on. Just really drilled down.
I realized that he had a different definition for "knowing" a song and that be able to *play* something and being able to *perform* something are two different things.
I think about that all the time in martial arts.
I was waiting for this one : D
congratulations on some successful techniques : )
I think what your videos have showed me is that Aikido is not an inherently bad martial art, it's just taught in a poor way. I hope in the future Aikido becomes a martial art practiced with real sparring and pressure testing so we can see it actually live up to it's potential
Look into Old style akido.
Yeah it's gone to shit, aikido teaches techniques as last thing you apply, it first teaches body position during a fight then then ATI and openings for an atemi and finally after your opponent is a confused mush you swing him around like a ragdoll, there is a reason every technique in training focuses on the footwork and atemi more than the details of the technique
There is no poor martial arts as every single one focus on one aspect for modern drilling and show purposes.
Back in Feudal Japan, all Karate aikido Judo jujutsu techniques were part of the swordsman training when they are unarmed or had to unarm their opponents in one to one or one to many fights.
But in a context of a war even the katana wasn't the main choice but the long Japanese spear, long sword and the bow shots.
@@MegaFarkh lmao, this is some top tier bad history. Feudalism in Japan ended in 1871, Aikido wasn’t even invented until after WWI
@@brandonhughes4076 I have spoken clearly about the techniques that were practised and were part of warriors training long time ago before the creation of nowadays arts.
No need to laugh your sitmeat out
So it's not Aikido vs Judo, it's mixed martial arts vs someone with Judo and Aikido training.
As a Japanese Jujutsu practitioner, this has been a fascinating journey to watch - particularly as Nintai-ryu is conceived a modern synthesis style, that goes a bit full circle and incorporates elements of Shotoakan Karate, Kano Judo and Aikido into an integrated self-defense system with a modular structure. One of the things we tried to impress upon our students, was that self-defense, and a street fight are VERY different from kumite or randori, and ANYONE can have a bad day.
Hi, Rokas! It's super exciting to see your hard work on improving Aikido gives you some positive feedback! I believe you have already made kote-gaeshi a legit technique for real grappling situations. So what's the next technique you would try to improve? I guess it's shiho-nage? (I saw you try to pull it off at least 3 times in this video) Maybe all Aikido techniques that seem not functional only need better entries to make them work. You are doing a remarkable thing, please continue your journey! 👍
I think Shiho-nage and Nykio are on my list next :)
@@MartialArtsJourney I think Yonkio could be effectiv as well
Almost every martial art in the world has some form of kote-gaeshi in it. So it's not surprising that it works if practiced properly. I guess a starting point to see which Aikido techniques have a chance to be functional is to look for instances of similar techniques in other martial arts. However, that would mean ditching all techniques that are unique to Aikido.
He didn't make kote gaeshi a legit technique you fool. It already was, it was just embarrassed by Aikido practitioners. Kote gaeshi has been in use for ages
Like Chadi I practiced both Judo and Aikido, in my case Tomiki Aikido. Though only Nidan in Aikido, I have Godan in Judo and Godan in JuJitsu. When we had randori sessions at the dojo of Shihan Karl Geis in Houston it was with an amalgamation of these arts, Kenji Tomiki having trained under both Shihan Kano and Shihan Ueshiba. You are lucky to have access to the enormous fountain of Martial Arts knowledge called Chadi. He is undoubtedly the most knowledgeable Martial Arts historian extant. I admire him greatly. Thanks for sharing this great video.
you know , you are making really important work . This is exactly how the Humanity's understanding of the martial arts developes. You are a hero.
Amazing! Been waiting for this forever. Watching you spar, that Kote Gaeshi looks like a very mean, and effective move to do against someone doing a lapel grab! I love your insight about training to execute Aikido techniques during contexts where there's spontaneity and resistance. It seems to be the best method to learn techniques. Kickboxing/Boxing/Sanda/MuaiThai/combat sports all train their techniques that way, in addition to training the form of the technique in isolation (kata). It seems to be a faster way to learn how to apply said technique in more realistic circumstances. I've observed that Aikido practices techniques in "perfect" or "ideal" situations, and to me that seems to be a very Japanese thing. Just look at their traditional archery. Their traditional archery doesn't even consider hitting the target when you practice it. Instead, you get judged by how well you execute the technique of shooting the arrow properly in isolation, hit or miss. And then they make the assumption that if you perfect the technique, you can perfect hitting the target. They have that mentality so ingrained that it shows up in their kata, when they cut tatami with a katana, in their craftsmanship, in their art, in the way they make videogames... etc. They tend to chase perfection in absence of context.
Thanks. Great comment
Judo nidan, here. I like kote gaeshi and see it as a useful movement, but having tried it in randori like this, I found that it is a low probability technique against the lapel grab. When somebody has you by the collar and is tensed up, it is really hard to bend the wrist. In play like this, straining to make the technique work is not that much of a problem. But in an actual fight, the other guy has grabbed your collar so he can pound your face, so while you're struggling to apply kote gaeshi, you're eating his fist. I would never use kote gaeshi as a defense against a collar grab in actual self defense without hitting the guy first to loosen him up.
@@haffoc, you might be surprised by a well trained practitioner.
@@haffoc they say aikido is all about atemi ;)
@@Shinbusan Maybe, but in all the cross training and hanging out with aikido guys, I've never heard them either mention or demonstrate atemi. Maybe it's a secret thing for only the special students.
Nice video Rokas! Can see the amount of work you've put in. From both the video editing perspective and your own development.
Thanks Alex!
@@MartialArtsJourney Good video. Nice history and a good spar. Was little or no Aikido though. Any technique can be Aikido if executed with Aiki principles. The so called "Aikido techniques " are merely templates to learn principles of Aiki. You try to execute certain techniques forcing them even if the energy of the attack isn't right . You went in trying to catch and grab instead of letting him come in.Try doing techniques without any off balancing. Main reason Chadi countered some of your attempts. Even someone with no knowledge of this can counter if they are centered. in. Was a well done sparring session but not a demonstration of Aikido.
Excellent stuff!..so miss Kyle👍🏻..my old sparring partner for mix combatives for a PSD.
Very important video. Thank you
Wow this was really good from the intro to the end, well paced, informative. It's a very good marker on your journey for what you have learned about Aikido through combat sports!
Much respect for you Rokas, not because you stepped into the ring, but your courage to seek, find and challenge against the whole system as one man. Countless traditional martial artists questioned their style and just turned to modern styles, yet only very few did what you're doing. You are truly a "fighter".
Wow, someone actually gathering real data on what works and what doesn't. It's very refreshing.
Omg Chadi! Nice - another great video. Let me know if you want to explore some Hung Gar! (I'm based in HK)
I've been watching you since the first aikido Vs MMA video, this is the content I was waiting for all along.
Even tho judo is my martial art and i never practiced aikido once in my life, I've always thought that aikido could be functional if it got rid of limiting traditions and non functional training methods
Aikido just isn't realistic. You're not going to catch people's punches in midair and ragdoll them, no matter how much you practice it
@@mpforeverunlimited .Of course. but what if somebody make a grip on you.
@@mpforeverunlimited yes, I agree that is why I said it need to get rid of its traditional concept first. You ain't going to catch a punch mid air, but you might pull a wrist throw in a clinch situation, specially against a wall (MMA type scenario).
There are other throws that I believe might be functional, obviously you're not going to apply the way traditional aikido wants you to but there are interesting techniques and concept that might be a good extra tool to keep in the shed
Base on the current traditional Aikido, it will not going to help you defend from a well prepared fighter...
It is useful for small incident like friend arguing for fight, some random student trying to provoke you in school, bar incident, etc...
@@TV-xd1pb couldve said the same about a lot of things. All that joint manipulation can really come in handy in the right setting. Is it worthless alone, yes. Combined with a wrestling background or something else, I guarantee there's some benefit.
You're giving me hope for the future of aikido in particular, and traditional martial arts in general. I hope to see more people like you, not just in aikido, but in every other TMA :)
very interesting videos :) I did Judo for 15 years (basically grew up with it) and then switched to Karate as I felt I should do a more practical martial art regarding real life fighting situations. At first I was really irritated by the fact that most Karate practitioners seem to do Karate as a religion, meaning that they do what is supposed to be right and just believe it without pressure testing it in sparring. I think the more "theoretical" martial arts like Aikido or Karate should always be combined with a more practical one like Judo where you actually use what you learned.
Rokas is the Aikido version of Qi La La. As someone who subscribed to your channel years ago, when you tested your Aikido techniques with an MMA fighter and failed, I am truly impressed by how you have evolved from solely doing Aikido to doing MMA and now pressure testing Aikido and tries to make it work. This is truly a martial arts journey !
I love how this is a small global martial arts community where people are automatically assumed to know who Qilala is!
This was very fun to watch guys! Nice work! Reminds me of my own full circle journey back around to sparring with Aikido. The experimental Aikido / Aiki-JiuJitsu sparring videos on our channel may be helpful to revisit!
YES! Congratulation. You have inspired me so much. If technology and gunfire can evolve, martial art too need to evolve. Practice again resisting opponent is the key to success
Man Muaythai Clinch work, works so well in these situations. I see your MMA training has helped boat loads to be more effective with Aikido.
I was an Aikikai Aikido Shodan. I was also a boxer, training with a number of professional fighters. What I noticed was that Aikido taught me a number of things which were very helpful in boxing, and may surprise people.
Firstly was maai...distance...which allowed me to frustrate boxers I sparred with and then draw them in. The second thing was irimi, which allowed me to move fast to enter for body blows. Most importantly I learned to moved and fight in both left and right stance, which used to confuse the hell out of boxers.
I think the thing people forget about all fighting arts is that technique matters but fundamentals matter most.
The pace, editing and commentary was on point you got my attention for top
To bottom usually i forward some parts this time no;) it helps me to see whats good practices for my channel. Trying to make better stuff;)
Thanks! Really glad to hear it. That's probably the best compliment you can give to a youtuber :)
I am a Sumo practitioner and I would really love to see Aikido vs Sumo! You may already be aware, but Sumo is actually a complete martial art and has always been full contact. I believe it doesn’t have any moves that can’t work, and even has uses for self defense. It even can be used by people who aren’t huge. I think it would be a really cool video!
I second this. Sumo is legit as a full contact martial art and as sport. Not every Sumo technique in the Kimarite is for every person, but there are Sumo techniques in the Kimarite for every able person.
I would like to see Aikido vs Sumo.
Very interesting! Thank you :)
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. First time I have seen a high level, competent Aikido practitioner actually test this out. To me though, it seems that Aikido is not very effective EVEN in this very limited scenario, much less in a confrontation involving striking. I did Hapkido to first degree black belt and there are a few techniques or principles that do work once someone grabs me a certain way or pushes me a certain way, but I would never rely solely on Aikido or Hapkido if defending myself in an actual altercation.
5:18 That must be the smoothest sprawl I have ever seen. Amazing
Chadi is one of the most suitable opponent to stress test Aikido techniques since he's also an Aikido black belt transitioned to Judo
This is a cool experiment, very cool to watch & analyze. One thing I have to say though...in order to really get good / accurate results you might need a pure Aikido practitioner. I say this because within the first few minutes when you even start to go to the ground your wrestling education kicks in. You can see by the way you use hips to position. You mention BJJ but before you even think of guard or submissions you're using the hips and balance from wrestling, probably w.out even realizing it. I still really dig what ur doing and IMO this can be pulled off better with stand up/striking arts.
Chadi is famous for his great Judo Programs. Didnt knew he also practiced Aikido.
Amazing video! hope to practice with you some day Sensei
Hey Ï have recently worked extensively on John danaher feet to floor series, I believe we are strongly lacking one of his fundamental "prerequisite skills" which is grip fight strategy. Now that I have learned that I wonder whether it would not be beneficial for such a sparring to secure much more " supreme / or superior " grips to secure our aikido throws, at least a minimum :-)
Nice video, well done both
Very educational Thanks. Blessings to you all Amen
That "Leg in your guts, over my head you go" Judo throws brings back memories of first time stepping in to spar with a Judo-Guy as a very young Kung-Fu Guy. I shaped up, he grabbed my lapels, rolled back with his foot in my stomach & chucked me about 12' across the room behind him.. I remember thinking "Blimey..." as I soared through the air. Things went downhill from there and I realised I needed to take some Aikido or judo classes to avoid getting chucked about willy-nilly.
Nice one!
I will try to give some feedback from my knowledge.
Aikido techniques(if you train them in live sparring or situation) is about trapping and gripping mostly the hands from afar.
If a judoka tries to play grip fighting with you from a distance you have a chance of landing a technique because this is the place where aikido can shine.
There is 1 basic problem with aikido techniques.
As i mentioned earlier aikido techniques are made for distance grappling, even more distance than judo, so you need to grab from afar and keep the grip, that distance though is the best strike distance and strikes are faster than aikido techniques except if you have lightning fast movement yourself, another isue is close combat wrestling and thats not only an aikido isue but a judo isue aswell.
If you fight against a wrestler you will notice that wrestling distance is much closer even from judo, the wrester shoots to asign his body so he use everything to control you or take your back streight away with arndrags etc , so wrestlers are masters of tsukure.
If you want this to be a perfect sparring take a wrestler and have him fight against each one of you to see how it goes i am sure that your finds would be more than interesting!
WOW, I WAS DREAMING ABOUT THIS MEETING!!!
Thanks Francisco! Glad to hear you were looking forward to it. Of course more videos we filmed together with Chadi will be published in the future
Your aikido has definitely improved with the practice of other arts. Any art you can add to your arsenal of experiences will improve your overall fighting skills and mastery of yourself. Try things you never did before and things you never thought you would try. There are things to be learned from everything for the curious mind. It makes for an interesting martial arts journey.
Really neat, thank you!
not bad for Aikido. Aikido usually get's wrecked in a fight. It just goes to show what some sparring experience can do. the Aikido wouldn't have worked once if he went into the sparring session without any previous sparring experience. however, I would encourage striking as it's easy to just be calm and grab each other's arms and clothes when you know a massive left hook isn't coming. it would be a completely different story if you could punch each other as then you wouldn't be so confident committing both hands to the techniques and not protecting your head. but pretty good for Aikido. I expected Aikido to lose every single time in this footage so the fact it worked at least once or twice against a trained Judo practitioner is pretty good. maybe there is still hope for the style.
Check out the full version of the Aikido vs Judo sparring here: ua-cam.com/video/WyWUqHZGHcE/v-deo.html
Check out Chadi's channel here: ua-cam.com/users/Chadi
All you had to do from day one of your Martial Arts Journey, was to lower your center of gravity. That’s Aikido basics.
I’m glad that you finally got it.
ua-cam.com/video/HA1E1e36atA/v-deo.html
fascinating!
With respect, since the first Aikido v MMA video, it looks like you seem to always go primarily for the Kotagaeshi when you attempt to use Aikido in a combat setting. As Chris Hein theorized in one his video, the wrist throw may not be the best technique to employ in a grappling or hand to hand situation, since it is meant to address an attacker with a weapon in hand. Joe DeLuca, an ex-professional fighter, in his Combat Aikido series, posited that Ikkyo, being the first principle, should be the Aikidoka’s “jab.” Have you considered doing a comparison as to whether Ikkyo of Kotagaeshi is higher precentage technique in a functional setting?
You can tell that Chadi, who is an Aikido practitioner in addition to being a Judo player, was very wary of getting caught by ikkyo, with just how tight he kept his elbows to his body the whole time. I've rolled with Judo folks myself, and ikkyo seems to very effective against most of them (at least the initial arm sweep and elbow control, not necessarily the takedown and pin). It also seems that sports Judo has a few rules that effectively ban ikkyo and a fair number of other Aikido techniques from competitions.
In my own aikido sparring experience, the standing joint locks can get dangerous pretty quickly if you let too much competitive mindset slip in (such as not taking ukemi when a joint lock is properly being set), particularly sankyo, rokkyo (hijishime), and shihonage.
do you know aikido mochizuki ?
I like how he doesn't just talk about himself he talks about others to
A great video and we’ll put together. You get boxing BJJ and akido and you have a serious martial artist right there!
Hi Rokas, I love your videos and experiments! You often talk about "trying to apply aikido techniques" and I wonder if you've considered that aikido isn't a martial art where you rock up and directly apply a technique to your opponent, but that the techniques of aikido are names for shapes that are co-created in the relationship between a tori and an uke?
Without that tori-uke relationship can there ever be aikido? My experience suggests not. I believe it's going to be hard to ever manifest much aikido in a competitive situation if the roles of the two participants are the same as each other.
In a way, aikido is the martial art that teaches you how to repeatedly re-become the tori in the aikido relationship whenever you've accidentally become uke - making your attacker/partner the uke: energetically, psychologically and spiritually, in a relationship which creates the spiral forms of aikido. Shapes we can give names to!
The "do" of aikido is to practise establishing this relationship, where the universe takes over and planned technique is irrelevant.
Tori and Uke co-create the aikido techniques together, and they are spontaneous, not meant to be attempts to pull off specific moves really - that's just for practise and learning the shapes.
If you can establish the tori-uke relationship then your aikido will work and you won't need to be trying to get techniques to work, because the shapes will find you automatically.
Even O-Sensei said that there are no techniques. Bruce Lee said it too.
Aikido isn't a collection of techniques. As a martial art it's a way of moving your body, but that comes from practising the principles of aiki, ideally throughout the whole of one's being. That's more than a lifetimes work!
Still, martially there's lots of the same stuff in many Chinese martial arts when you go looking for it - chin-na, bagua, even some wing chun too. It's nothing special.
The principles of aikido are universal and are sound, but it will never properly work the way you're trying to do it... as two equal competitors in a bout.
Without tori and uke roles there's no yin and yang, no relationship.
Please don't take my word for it though? I am nobody. I hope you experiment and find it for yourself, because it's worth finding and I know how much you love aikido and want to find ways for it to work.
Well... I'm here to strongly suggest, with a lot of love, that you consider that "trying to make aikido techniques work" without there being a tori and an uke in a unified co-created movement, is going to make what you're looking for hard to find.
Thanks for reading this and best of luck on your martial arts journey. 🙏
Great video. A couple of observations:1)It's trully difficult to apply aikido techniques against an opponent who resists and know how to fight.2)Rokas didn't or couldn't apply any kind of kuzushi which is essential to set up the opponent for throw, lock etc. I believe this is the key missing.3)The traditional aikidoist needs to learn how to set up the enemy in order to apply a technique.4)The aikido doesn't teach "henka" (variation) in case the original techique doesn't work. 5)Aikido by principle is using the enemy's momentum to unballance him. In this case there is no momentum. Please keep in mind that I practiced traditional koryu froms of jujutsu and not aikido. I am studying m.a for more than 30 years.
True, Aikido does focus on manipulating the opponent's momentum, however, there is more. My sensei taught me that were the head goes, the body follows. If someone is not dealing heavy, sloppy, momentum filled swings, then the aikidoka must enter and take initiative. Palm their chin and roll their head to create an imbalance, or grab an arm and pull them closer so you can choke them. Headlocks are chokes of all kinds are considered Aikido.
I think the first point is valid to every martial arts o combat style. Even in boxing is hard to aplly a ko punch against other boxer
Judo + the wristlocks and kicks of ju jitsu + boxing always worked out the best for me in various sparring sessions. Not full-on fighting sessions, but the combo of those things was the best for me. Ki-Aikido is something I trained in too - this teaches the 'One-Point' concept of balance and is excellent. Only in combination with the judo / ju jitsu / boxing though.... Ju jitsu and Aikido are very very good at REAR attacks which don't feature in martial arts sports like MMA. Subscribed, LIked and Notified!
Nice work!
Though I wonder how quickly and subtly you could get a niikyo from the gi grab you tried a kotegaishi from👀
This is truly inspiring to see you finally come around. You are absolutely right that it isn't necessarily the martial art or the techniques, it is how you pursue training. Martial arts are highly Darwinian in their development. Techniques that don't work weren't passed on because either they failed and the practitioner died or, if he survived, were either abandoned or modified. Aikido techniques were passed on for many generations even before Ushiba. That means there is something to them. The problem is how modern Aikido trains them. What you are doing is not only doing a major service to yourself, but to Aikido as well. By reintroducing pressure testing and putting the techniques back into a combative context, you are showing the path forward to returning validity to Aikido. Aikido can still maintain its peaceful philosophy, but it needs to also maintain its martial roots.
If it wasnt the martial art, how come he NEVER won a sparring or a fight when he used purely Aikido?
Why isnt there ONE video of Aikido winning over another martial art or street fighter? Or even just sparring?
BECAUSE IT DOESNT WORK
@@vipr1142 if you actually read what I wrote, you would see that I seperated aikido techniques from its modern training methodology. The techniques exist because they worked in the battlefield. Modern aikido abandoned pressure testing and divorced itself from practical application because of Ushiba's zenshin philosophy which was very pacifistic. What Rokas is trying to do here is rediscover what made aikido effective in the first place. This style versus style crap is a radical oversimplification and only has validity to those who can't look past the style name and breakdown and analyze the more fundamental elements of the style.
@@VTdarkangel Aikido never touched battlefield.
Aikido is the most famous bullshido.
I know "this style vs this style" doesnt really apply, because most often it is up to the fighter.
Like a karateka can lose against a muay thai fighter
then another muay thai fighter loses to a karateka.
BUT BUT, thats where its different. Aikido NEVER wins against any other martial art - or even untrained individual
@@vipr1142 Daito Ryu Jujutsu is Aikido's samurai form and its roots go way back into the feuding states period of Japan. That means it was a battlefield art. Modern aikido was changed by Ushiba because of his zenshin philosophy. That is aikido's problem of today, it has become incredibly pacifistic and forgotten much of its practical training methods. In fact modern aikido doesn't teach you how to fight, it just teaches techniques. If you already know how to fight, then aikido's techniques and physical concepts actually work pretty damn well in self-defense. I can speak personally about that.
Regarding your claim that no videos of aikido working exist, then you haven't done much research. Rokas highlights some of those in some of his older videos, particularly during the period when he was struggling with the realization it wasn't working for him.
@@VTdarkangel Anytime a "Aikidoka" actually does something that works, is when he uses something from another martial art.
I have researched it.
I've been training martial arts my whole life, everything from Bujinkan Ninpotaijutsu, to Capoeira, to Aikido, Karate, TKD, Jeet Kune Do, MT and MMA.
I am 33 years old now.
I wanted to explore the martial arts because each one has their pro and cons.
I found out Aikido is completely useless.
Aikido does not work.
Hi Rokas, one point that you might want to research is Ueshiba's response to the violence of the second world war. He was, as far as I have been able to learn, freaked out because Japan lost, not because of the violence. He was actually certain that Japan would win, and all the ways it went about it, were fine, by him. He was basically depressed that he wasn't a p[art of the grand superior conquerors.
When are you going to try Shodokan competitive style?
Thanks for that honest assessment. Aikido is an awesome art, I practiced very briefly, however motion sickness made it impossible for me to continue (crazy right?). However, it's my belief, that just like its cousin Tai Chi, over the decades something valuable was taken out of training and never passed on to students, making it the true martial art that Samurai relied upon to save their lives.
Back in 2010 I unexpectedly found myself in a real fight situation, my opponent was a judoka he gabbed me and had brought down onto the ground, my t shirt was torn and therefore I remained shirtless and he wasn't able to beat me.
This judo guy is pretty bad... lol
Yeah
Yeah... He's very funny. I guess he was just asked to show attempts, but not to do something real)
Brown belt in three years? 😢