The advice to practise first by using only the forearm motion, and only after by adding the wrist, immediately and drastically improved my heavy backspin. Thank you!
So far this is the clearest demonstration of racket movement during served. My eyeballs almost pop out watching even slowmos of other videos but I could never catch the strokes. Thanks bunch.
@@tabletennisclips6223 I love playing outside in the park with friends, with some music, in the sun... you meet a lot of nice and chill people and its a lot of fun. of course the conditions aren't "tournament conditions", but everything else is great!
Thank you! I might get in some sneaky practice while my 12yo son is at school tomorrow. Beating the little bugger is getting harder and harder - so your advice is much appreciated! I hope he doesn't discover your channel... Cheers from Sydney - Dave ;-)
@@sixfcp5385 I'd say I'm about 60/40 win/lose to the young lad. He's now 13 and is beating me regularly at golf (I'm a low handicapper, but he is lower), he is beating me about 30% of the time at tennis (I played A grade comp tennis for many years) and now to really put the knife in, he annihilates me in cross country running (I ran long distance at state level when I was younger and competitively since then). I knew the time would come but honestly, not this soon! At least I can still get him at table tennis - for now! Are you dealing with the same tortous problem as me (accepting my physical decline)? 🙂
Once understood, it is not difficult to counter the spin in the serve at all. Essentially there are only 4 serves, Top spin, Back spin, two sideway spins, and that is all. Once understood how to counter the spin, one can almost always put the ball back on table, and challenge is to keep it as close to the net as possible and also on to the back hand side of the table, (assuming that most people have good forehand top spin and not so good with back hand). These are basics that these coaches have taught here in the video, none the less excellent video, thanks.
You have no idea, a pro would just bamboozle you seriously. You would seriously think a back spin serve is coming to have it kick over your head, the art is in disguising the serve, not the serve itself.
That little flick of the wrist at the end, can happen so quickly, while their brushing backspin pro's can actually flick a forward spin whilst still moving in the backspin direction. Sounds like you're a little below my level, you should try this wrist lick flick, whilst brushing, you might learn something.
I’m am sad because my school cancelled sport because it was wet on the grass and it dosent even effect my sport! I am in a ping pong team and I don’t even get to play sport :( so I wanted to practice new serves for ping pong and this vid helped meh
Hey Tom, I want to use a few clips from this video in my video on the physics behind spin. I will of course credit the shots accordingly. Is this cool? Great vid ;)
Thanks Tom. But you can understand where I am coming from. I have always struggled with my services as I toss the ball vertically and then move my body to get some spin- not easy. I always felt bad that I cannot serve like people in the videos. I know I am not as good but have good intentions to emulate the big gunsin my very smalll way- I will try and see if I can toss the ball high towards me- its gonna be a new toss
Also, glad to address wrist & brushing. this makes sense. want to know the role of the forearm tho (this wasnt mentioned at all). is it as important than the wrist, more important? less important? i ask because i still struggle to get "really good" backspin from my serves, even w/ brushing and wrist. a local coach said i needed to use more forearm...hence the question.
Good question. It depends which serve you are doing, but there will always be a combination of wrist, forearm and elbow. Your wrist is very important when serving backspin, but you do need some forearm to add some forward acceleration. If you are not getting much backspin on the serve, it may be because there is not enough speed + brush when contacting the ball. You may find it easier to serve a little deeper initially. This forces you to accelerate more and use more forearm. Then when you are satisfied you generating more backspin, you can then try making the serve shorter.
This spin ball has long been used / practiced in Indonesia, I have often seen children aged 10 years using this method not only when serving the ball, even often used to hit the ball attack from the opponent.😁
short pimples with speed glue it the best for touch close to the net like tsp spectol double fish 830 830 a even speed glue with long pimples can be effective i have tried both
I practice serving back spin balls that go almost off the table and then roll back to the net. This way know they have maximum energy, both translational and rotational. Brushing is important to get the right ratio of backspin to speed. If there isn't enough backspin the ball will roll off the end of the table. So much must be precise. The height of the toss, where contact is made with the ball, where the ball lands on your side of the table. All of this must be right to get the ball to almost roll off the table and come back to the net. The next trick is to fool the opponent because good one will catch on.
In video for backspin u told to make contact at top of bat But ..when I saw your backspin serve in slow motion every time the contact was by lower part of bat how do you explain this
I've always doing the side spin from the side of the ball, but in this video he did it from the bottom. After giving some thought about it, I think brushing from side of the ball gives more trouble because the other player almost exclusively touch the ball vertically and it will lead the ball to the sides of the table upon touching, whereas brushing from the bottom of the ball does make the ball going to side of the table upon landing on the table before getting to the other player. IMHO, side brushing is more threatening in most scenarios. What do you think?
i do the same, but I disagree with your conclusions for 2 reasons: 1. side spin is side spin, now matter how you achieve it. The ball will also "pop sideways" a bit when doing it as shown in the video, but you always get some back spin with it, which can be nice. 2. the ball jumping to the side on the table is not necessarily a good thing. While it makes it harder to position for the ball overall, it also makes the sidespin much easier to read and less deceptive, so it's easier to adjust racket angle.
Ilyas Lokhandwala A new video is coming out each month, on a different aspect of serving. Subscribe to Tim’s channel and you’ll be notified when they’re released 👍
I hope I get a response on this comment. I know this video is several years old. One thing missing from many of these videos is the kind of paddle or rubber (on the paddle) to get the results desired. The $20 dollar paddle from the local box store cannot perform these maneuvers. What paddle would you recommend to get the spin necessary for the serves in this video??????????????
Honestly, the rubbers needed to do this don't need to be that expensive. The most important factor is the technique - very relaxed, with acceleration + brushing contact = lots of spin. Plus lots and lots and lots of practice. Craig could do this with a £30 table tennis bat also, as his technique is so good.
Can you do all these videos just using backhand - at 5:01 you have done something what I am interested off! Please do a video on using just backhand and have all these variations
Good question. Craig may have a different answer to me. But for me the easiest way for any player to instantly improve whatever serves he/she has is placement. Spin and spin variation will then make your service game much, much stronger. Keeping every serve low over the net will make your serves even harder to return. And finally service deception will take you to another level, if combined with the other three. Might write an article about this for my website.
animaysh I agree with Tom. If you’re starting out with a basic serve, the easiest way to make it more effective is change the placement. The next stage is to change the placement but try to keep as similar starting point and action as possible. Developing more spin and finally creating deception with your serve come a little further down the line (of learning things).
Cool thanks for the response guys. I haven't tried to focus on similar starting point and action so I'll try that. I'm also thinking along the same lines with serve return. Beyond reading the spin and getting the ball back on the table I am wondering the importance of 1. placement, adding extra spin to the return (push/flick), keeping the return low/short, putting pressure on the return with an attack. Basically what the logical progression of serve and serve return in terms of upping the quality but not adding high risk until it's mastered. I.E. banana flicking is higher risk than a well placed pushed return (for most people;)
Technique is the most important part. With a cheap racket you will be able to generate spin. With a better quality racket, you will be able to generate more spin.
The advice to practise first by using only the forearm motion, and only after by adding the wrist, immediately and drastically improved my heavy backspin. Thank you!
So far this is the clearest demonstration of racket movement during served. My eyeballs almost pop out watching even slowmos of other videos but I could never catch the strokes. Thanks bunch.
This one is massively relevant for what I'm working on with serves. The slo-mo is fabulous, and his explanations are crystal clear. Well done!
Eyes: Yes, now I can do dis
Hand: No you can't
:))
*butt: I. Want. To. FARTTTTTT~*
Li Cheng this is sad true :/
ear: idk what hes talking about i dont get it
Same
Students in my college have no idea what's coming their way
Shantanu Tambe haha same but I’m in 8th grade 😬😅
SPF infinity SPF infinity I in year 8 as well. Lol
Fo you know sudarshan tambe
@@Benzyl_Penoxide me too
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The explanations were good but it would have me helpful if you could have zoomed in more to his hands while he was serving.. Thanks
Bhak
Bhk.
Damn I want to like this comment so badly lol
Add slow motion also.
Nice, add zoom + slow motion, please.
I have been trying to learn good spin serves for a very long time, thank you.
gonna try these tips. the video was CLEAR
Probably the easiest tutorial and best explanation regarding spins.
6:04 is summery
4:58 used in doubles mostly.
these craig bryant vids are GENIUS!!!! thank you
Thank you 😁
my family members have no clue what is about to come >:)
Hahaha you little devious kid
Same with mine :)
💯
Real
Thanks now i always beat my friends and they blame wind😂
ScrippyZxLive stop playing with regards this is an indoor sport.
Thilak Salian what do you mean
@@ABL861 I believe he said "stop playing with retards"
Just dont play outside
@@tabletennisclips6223 I love playing outside in the park with friends, with some music, in the sun... you meet a lot of nice and chill people and its a lot of fun. of course the conditions aren't "tournament conditions", but everything else is great!
It was a very instructive video. Congratulations, Mr. Tom.
Thank you! I might get in some sneaky practice while my 12yo son is at school tomorrow. Beating the little bugger is getting harder and harder - so your advice is much appreciated! I hope he doesn't discover your channel... Cheers from Sydney - Dave ;-)
Most wholesome comment ever
did you start to beat him?
@@sixfcp5385 I'd say I'm about 60/40 win/lose to the young lad. He's now 13 and is beating me regularly at golf (I'm a low handicapper, but he is lower), he is beating me about 30% of the time at tennis (I played A grade comp tennis for many years) and now to really put the knife in, he annihilates me in cross country running (I ran long distance at state level when I was younger and competitively since then). I knew the time would come but honestly, not this soon! At least I can still get him at table tennis - for now!
Are you dealing with the same tortous problem as me (accepting my physical decline)? 🙂
@@deldridg how old are you yourself?
@@motianton How about mid bloody fifties!! Not quite one foot in the grave yet...
very gud tips to improve spin as a tt player this is one of the best instructional videos.
Forehand loop tutorials for intermediate player is a musttttt.. When can we expect
I will try to record something in the next few months. It's on the list!
really good and helpful
Your videos are best! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching!
@@TomLodziak thanks papi
Thank you for such usefull tips. I will try it
thank you because of you I mastered learnt spinning in service
Once understood, it is not difficult to counter the spin in the serve at all. Essentially there are only 4 serves, Top spin, Back spin, two sideway spins, and that is all. Once understood how to counter the spin, one can almost always put the ball back on table, and challenge is to keep it as close to the net as possible and also on to the back hand side of the table, (assuming that most people have good forehand top spin and not so good with back hand). These are basics that these coaches have taught here in the video, none the less excellent video, thanks.
You have no idea, a pro would just bamboozle you seriously. You would seriously think a back spin serve is coming to have it kick over your head, the art is in disguising the serve, not the serve itself.
That little flick of the wrist at the end, can happen so quickly, while their brushing backspin pro's can actually flick a forward spin whilst still moving in the backspin direction. Sounds like you're a little below my level, you should try this wrist lick flick, whilst brushing, you might learn something.
Wow , what a great serve . I want to learn to improve . Thank you
Video was super helpful. Thanks!
You guys are super star i like what you are doing for us . Thank you from heart to heart
Great series is back
This is FANTASTIC! 👏 👏 👏
Great man!
playback speed 0.5x:
0:38 how to create spin
1:49 back spin
3:11 side spin
5:08 top spin
5:49 brush+wrist+speed=spin
Great video, thanks a lot!
Perfect discribtion…thanks from the heart for both of you
I’m am sad because my school cancelled sport because it was wet on the grass and it dosent even effect my sport! I am in a ping pong team and I don’t even get to play sport :( so I wanted to practice new serves for ping pong and this vid helped meh
You have a ping pong team at school?
:( that's bad luck
My coleagues are going down tomorrow!!!
Hey Tom, I want to use a few clips from this video in my video on the physics behind spin. I will of course credit the shots accordingly. Is this cool? Great vid ;)
Thanks for very important training
There’s this guy in my town his name is Al Ferraiz he use to tell me he put so much spin that he created tornadoes and hurricanes not God!!
Lmao
Ha imagine.
Great video team! Please do one on chop block and how to handle the chop block.
Here's a video we made last year on the chop block: ua-cam.com/video/SjJ49BXh5Mk/v-deo.html
Great tips indeed. Will take me awhile, if ever, before i get to serve in similar way. 😊
Thanks Tom. But you can understand where I am coming from. I have always struggled with my services as I toss the ball vertically and then move my body to get some spin- not easy. I always felt bad that I cannot serve like people in the videos. I know I am not as good but have good intentions to emulate the big gunsin my very smalll way- I will try and see if I can toss the ball high towards me- its gonna be a new toss
Amazing tips. Thank you
Tried it and I could instantly see the spin
would love to register with a more detailed Craig Bryant course on serving. need lots more slow mo...more motion tips to get it.
Steve Burkett
18th April Ackworth, Yorks- you can email me for a booking form craig@topedgetabletennis.co.uk
Great teacher.
Which tabel tennis racquet do you use
Also, glad to address wrist & brushing. this makes sense. want to know the role of the forearm tho (this wasnt mentioned at all). is it as important than the wrist, more important? less important? i ask because i still struggle to get "really good" backspin from my serves, even w/ brushing and wrist. a local coach said i needed to use more forearm...hence the question.
Good question. It depends which serve you are doing, but there will always be a combination of wrist, forearm and elbow. Your wrist is very important when serving backspin, but you do need some forearm to add some forward acceleration. If you are not getting much backspin on the serve, it may be because there is not enough speed + brush when contacting the ball. You may find it easier to serve a little deeper initially. This forces you to accelerate more and use more forearm. Then when you are satisfied you generating more backspin, you can then try making the serve shorter.
Very good video to watch for learning about the types of SPIN and how to do it.
Which racket r u using for this tutorial?
Excellent tips! Thanks!
Welldone Tom n your partner, I love his side spin,very effective
Killer service sir 😯😯😯
Thanks i have learned a lot
Thanks coach🏓❤❤
This spin ball has long been used / practiced in Indonesia, I have often seen children aged 10 years using this method not only when serving the ball, even often used to hit the ball attack from the opponent.😁
A video on use short pips will also be helpful...can we expect this??
short pimples with speed glue it the best for touch close to the net like tsp spectol double fish 830 830 a even speed glue with long pimples can be effective i have tried both
Good video. A close-up shot at hand moment and contact with bat would have been a lot helpful.
Thank u for the video , great content , can u also make some video on how can we make our body more better for TT , I mean exercise like stuff
Yes, should be able to make a video about that. I'll add to my list.
Excellent!
I practice serving back spin balls that go almost off the table and then roll back to the net. This way know they have maximum energy, both translational and rotational. Brushing is important to get the right ratio of backspin to speed. If there isn't enough backspin the ball will roll off the end of the table. So much must be precise. The height of the toss, where contact is made with the ball, where the ball lands on your side of the table. All of this must be right to get the ball to almost roll off the table and come back to the net. The next trick is to fool the opponent because good one will catch on.
great video,thanks
Very nice
Gonna help me with my tournement thanks!
How did it go, after 6 months?
How did it go, after 1 year?
Sorry for the very late response. It helped me alot. Got second and third place.
Chrism17 wow, I’m surprised that you remembered commenting here
Dan yeah me too. It really has been awhile hasnt it
Nice video 😀😍
In video for backspin u told to make contact at top of bat
But ..when I saw your backspin serve in slow motion every time the contact was by lower part of bat how do you explain this
6:17 this is the only part of the video that i am extremely good at already
I've always doing the side spin from the side of the ball, but in this video he did it from the bottom. After giving some thought about it, I think brushing from side of the ball gives more trouble because the other player almost exclusively touch the ball vertically and it will lead the ball to the sides of the table upon touching, whereas brushing from the bottom of the ball does make the ball going to side of the table upon landing on the table before getting to the other player. IMHO, side brushing is more threatening in most scenarios. What do you think?
i do the same, but I disagree with your conclusions for 2 reasons:
1. side spin is side spin, now matter how you achieve it. The ball will also "pop sideways" a bit when doing it as shown in the video, but you always get some back spin with it, which can be nice.
2. the ball jumping to the side on the table is not necessarily a good thing. While it makes it harder to position for the ball overall, it also makes the sidespin much easier to read and less deceptive, so it's easier to adjust racket angle.
This is an excellent video.
Of course you have to have a good rubber to generate such a strong spin !
Can I get this kind of spin with intermediate bats like Cornilleau 1000/2000 or other bats that fall into the 40-60E or $ range?
I suggest you to buy rubbers and blade separately. It will be 1000% better than all "ready to go" bats @@Funkytrip73
@@Funkytrip73 like "friendship 729 rubbers approx. 15$ each and palio s4 blade approx. 17 $
@@Qck420 Ya, but I just play pingpong at work each break... I dont have anyone to assemble such a bat :-)
Great video there
Where can one get those cones from? Can't think of which shop do I go to...
Кирилл Марчук
If you search on Amazon for ‘agility cones’ something like that, you’ll find some 👍
@@craigyb22 - Or just use 2 tins of beans. Or anything.....
Allah SpreadsHate that’ll work too
@@craigyb22 well the reply looks ... Awkward)))
Craig, my Club Hit the table when I brush to backspin from up to down - nasty move..... any advise? Fearing for my blade
Start with the bat low and try to finish above the table. If you start with the bat high then there’s tendency to move it downward.
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6:04 is summary
thanks for the wonderful tips - learning a lot from this content
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Which tt racket is good for spin n control n probably good speed too
Great video👌🏻 please show how to respond to these servs too…
Racket to hold tight or loose while doing service?
Tight
Wow that's some serious spin
Ssck
spin this bussy
Thank you Craig Bryant this is very effective to me.. Please upload more videos so I can improve my game... Thank you very much
Ilyas Lokhandwala
A new video is coming out each month, on a different aspect of serving. Subscribe to Tim’s channel and you’ll be notified when they’re released 👍
I like when you serve look so serious
This is helpful🏓 thank you guys
Please make more videos on spin serve
Hey
I hope I get a response on this comment. I know this video is several years old.
One thing missing from many of these videos is the kind of paddle or rubber (on the paddle) to get the results desired.
The $20 dollar paddle from the local box store cannot perform these maneuvers.
What paddle would you recommend to get the spin necessary for the serves in this video??????????????
Honestly, the rubbers needed to do this don't need to be that expensive. The most important factor is the technique - very relaxed, with acceleration + brushing contact = lots of spin. Plus lots and lots and lots of practice. Craig could do this with a £30 table tennis bat also, as his technique is so good.
Can you do all these videos just using backhand - at 5:01 you have done something what I am interested off! Please do a video on using just backhand and have all these variations
Amazing
Us the shakehand grip still used for spin serves or do u hold it differently
It's very difficult to do! Trying to improve my Eleven Table Tennis skills
What would you rate on importance from 1-4. Spin, placement, low to net, deception?
Good question. Craig may have a different answer to me. But for me the easiest way for any player to instantly improve whatever serves he/she has is placement. Spin and spin variation will then make your service game much, much stronger. Keeping every serve low over the net will make your serves even harder to return. And finally service deception will take you to another level, if combined with the other three. Might write an article about this for my website.
animaysh
I agree with Tom. If you’re starting out with a basic serve, the easiest way to make it more effective is change the placement. The next stage is to change the placement but try to keep as similar starting point and action as possible. Developing more spin and finally creating deception with your serve come a little further down the line (of learning things).
Cool thanks for the response guys. I haven't tried to focus on similar starting point and action so I'll try that. I'm also thinking along the same lines with serve return. Beyond reading the spin and getting the ball back on the table I am wondering the importance of 1. placement, adding extra spin to the return (push/flick), keeping the return low/short, putting pressure on the return with an attack. Basically what the logical progression of serve and serve return in terms of upping the quality but not adding high risk until it's mastered. I.E. banana flicking is higher risk than a well placed pushed return (for most people;)
What rubber use Bryant ?
Tried to spin the ball but end up sprained my wrist instead
damn
Ok im scared now lol
Nice 69 likes
@CLIX X English
How
Thank you 👍
Is double drop on opponent's court ok/right at service time???
how should we keep the hand while doing the spin
Whar sort of bat should buy
Thank you for give nice trick
What kind of blade and rubber ?
I keep try and practice but under spin the ball not coming back.any tricks for under spin ?
U R Gone noob
Which rubber you use
Serve Video starts at 0:40 thank me later😉
Wow, I just saved 40 seconds of my life, thank you so much 🧐
Errrrr, no. I won't.
excellent
Thank you guys
Your the best
Can it be accomplish with any single cheap racquet? or it has to have special rubber?
Technique is the most important part. With a cheap racket you will be able to generate spin. With a better quality racket, you will be able to generate more spin.