Right. At Christ return, He, His Angels & the souls of the dead in Christ come in clouds & the dead are raised first, then those alive & remaining on the earth who are in Christ are caught up with Christ, angels, dead in Christ & us are together with Him in the air over the mount of Olives, then He sets His feet down & the Mt of Olives splits into. Christ returns once more, on the last day of this age. For after He returns He will set up the 1000 year reign. Just as I said below. PeaceB2Ya
Actually, as we are caught up, we are translated into our resurrected bodies, from mortal to immortal= 1 Cor 15:50-55. Just as the dead are raised first into their incorruptible, immortal bodies, so shall we, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, we shall all be changed. PeaceB2Ya
As I said before, its not the rapture that we don't know when it will happen, it will happen at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. We don't know the day or hour of His coming. Only GOD the Father knows when He will send His Son back, but when He sends Him back, that is when we will be caught up. PeaceB2Ya
Nothing to be sorry about, your view is your view, & I respect you for having one & defending it. I'm not saying my view is right, its just my view & what I think the bible says. The bible tells us when we will be caught up= at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, what we don't know is when that will be, only the Father knows that. But we will be caught up at Christ return, & Jesus own words n Mat 24:29-31 says after the tribulation of those days. PeaceB2Ya
1 Thes 4:15 tells when Jesus is returning, it says "by the Word of the Lord, THAT we which are alive & remain unto the COMING of the Lord" & verse 17 THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. Study the word "meet=G529=apantesis" Mat 25:1&6, Acts 28:15= the virgins went out to MEET him & escort to the feast(where they had waited) & brethen in Rome walked to Appii to MEET Paul & escort him on to Rome. Both the groom & Paul continued on, we MEET Christ & escort to Mt of Olives. PeaceB2Ya
The reason for tribulation, which is satan's wrath, is that people are to be tried by fire of the wiles & firey darts of satan & those who fail or reject the Testimony of Jesus will be subjected to the wrath of GOD. Please read Zechariah 13 n OT, special attn to vrs 9, & 1 Peter 1 n NT, vrs 7 specially. We are here unto the appearing/revelation of Jesus Christ. That we which are alive & remain unto the coming of the Lord, THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. PeaceB2Ya
Its so sad that people can't understand that the verses in 1 Thes 4 that pretrib rapture believers use for their doctrine plainly says that it is at the coming=G3952=parousia= physical presence. 1 Thes 4:15/17= THAT we which are alive & remain unto the COMING of the Lord-17 THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. Paul said in vrs 15 this we say unto you by the word of the Lord. Are not vrs 15 & 17 speaking of the same people? At the coming of the Lord. GOD bless you. PeaceB2Ya
Why then was the church not here for Daniels previous 69 weeks? If we were not here for the previous 69 weeks, why then would we be here for the 70th week(The entire tribulation period) Why is the church only mentioned 1 time after Revelation chapter 4 if we would be here for any of the Tribulation? Because we are clearly not here for any of it. The Tribulation has nothing to do with the church.
I don't want you to believe me. You need to search the scriptures daily to see if something is true in GOD's Word. I'm just a man & make mistakes, a sinner who is saved by the blood of my Saviour, Jesus Christ. Find truth in the Word of GOD, believe NO MAN. Our Heavenly Father gives wisdom generously to those who seek Him diligently. PeaceB2Ya
The catching away is as 1 Thes 4:15 & 17 says, THAT we which are alive & remain unto the COMING of the Lord. THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. This is by the Word of the Lord. Mat 24:36 says that only the Father knows the day & hour, yet we will know the season, just not what exact day or hour, for the bible tell us the signs to be watching for, especially 2 Thes 2:3 when the falling away(apostasy) happens 1st & the man of sin revealed, Jesus return is near. PeaceB2Ya
Why then was the church not here for Daniels previous 69 weeks? If we were not here for the previous 69 weeks, why then would we be here for the 70th week(The entire tribulation period) Why is the church only mentioned 1 time after Revelation chapter 4 if we would be here for any of the Tribulation? Because we are clearly not here for any of it. The Tribulation has nothing to do with the church.
Where is Jesus heading when we are caught up to meet Him? He is coming= parousia=G3952=physical presense, advent, 2nd coming.When Jesus descends with His angels & souls of dead saints, the dead in Christ(believers) are raised first, then we who are alive & remain from the great tribulation, will be caught up(translated resurrected bodies) all will be together in the air above the Mt of Olives, then Jesus will set His feet down on the earth. All happens at the Coming=Parousia of Yeshua. PeaceB2Ya
add to your teaching the fact that it will be like Noah, and Lot and you will see that the Lord will eradicate the wicked and save the righteous on the SAME DAY! There is no rapture. We are gathered unto the Lord at his second coming.
JimmyCarol100. said don't believe him, true ,he is a deceiver with false teaching opposing God's word and doesn't fit the overall picture that Scripture paints. He has taken out Scripture that fits his mindset. Do your own study and learn that R. Showers has far more truth.
A deceiver huh? Why then was the church not here for Daniels previous 69 weeks? If we were not here for the previous 69 weeks, why then would we be here for the 70th week?(The 70th week is the entire tribulation period) Why is the church only mentioned 1 time after Revelation chapter 4 if we would be here for any of the Tribulation? Because we are clearly not here for any of it. The Tribulation has nothing to do with the church.
Right. At Christ return, He, His Angels & the souls of the dead in Christ come in clouds & the dead are raised first, then those alive & remaining on the earth who are in Christ are caught up with Christ, angels, dead in Christ & us are together with Him in the air over the mount of Olives, then He sets His feet down & the Mt of Olives splits into. Christ returns once more, on the last day of this age. For after He returns He will set up the 1000 year reign. Just as I said below. PeaceB2Ya
Thanks for sharing and helping me understand the word of GOD. God bless you pastor.
Actually, as we are caught up, we are translated into our resurrected bodies, from mortal to immortal= 1 Cor 15:50-55. Just as the dead are raised first into their incorruptible, immortal bodies, so shall we, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, we shall all be changed. PeaceB2Ya
As I said before, its not the rapture that we don't know when it will happen, it will happen at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. We don't know the day or hour of His coming. Only GOD the Father knows when He will send His Son back, but when He sends Him back, that is when we will be caught up. PeaceB2Ya
Nothing to be sorry about, your view is your view, & I respect you for having one & defending it. I'm not saying my view is right, its just my view & what I think the bible says. The bible tells us when we will be caught up= at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, what we don't know is when that will be, only the Father knows that. But we will be caught up at Christ return, & Jesus own words n Mat 24:29-31 says after the tribulation of those days. PeaceB2Ya
He is right on
1 Thes 4:15 tells when Jesus is returning, it says "by the Word of the Lord, THAT we which are alive & remain unto the COMING of the Lord" & verse 17 THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. Study the word "meet=G529=apantesis" Mat 25:1&6, Acts 28:15= the virgins went out to MEET him & escort to the feast(where they had waited) & brethen in Rome walked to Appii to MEET Paul & escort him on to Rome. Both the groom & Paul continued on, we MEET Christ & escort to Mt of Olives. PeaceB2Ya
very true, thanks
The reason for tribulation, which is satan's wrath, is that people are to be tried by fire of the wiles & firey darts of satan & those who fail or reject the Testimony of Jesus will be subjected to the wrath of GOD. Please read Zechariah 13 n OT, special attn to vrs 9, & 1 Peter 1 n NT, vrs 7 specially. We are here unto the appearing/revelation of Jesus Christ. That we which are alive & remain unto the coming of the Lord, THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. PeaceB2Ya
Its so sad that people can't understand that the verses in 1 Thes 4 that pretrib rapture believers use for their doctrine plainly says that it is at the coming=G3952=parousia= physical presence. 1 Thes 4:15/17= THAT we which are alive & remain unto the COMING of the Lord-17 THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. Paul said in vrs 15 this we say unto you by the word of the Lord. Are not vrs 15 & 17 speaking of the same people? At the coming of the Lord. GOD bless you. PeaceB2Ya
Why then was the church not here for Daniels previous 69 weeks? If we were not here for the previous 69 weeks, why then would we be here for the 70th week(The entire tribulation period) Why is the church only mentioned 1 time after Revelation chapter 4 if we would be here for any of the Tribulation? Because we are clearly not here for any of it. The Tribulation has nothing to do with the church.
I don't want you to believe me. You need to search the scriptures daily to see if something is true in GOD's Word. I'm just a man & make mistakes, a sinner who is saved by the blood of my Saviour, Jesus Christ. Find truth in the Word of GOD, believe NO MAN. Our Heavenly Father gives wisdom generously to those who seek Him diligently. PeaceB2Ya
The catching away is as 1 Thes 4:15 & 17 says, THAT we which are alive & remain unto the COMING of the Lord. THEN we which are alive & remain shall be caught up. This is by the Word of the Lord. Mat 24:36 says that only the Father knows the day & hour, yet we will know the season, just not what exact day or hour, for the bible tell us the signs to be watching for, especially 2 Thes 2:3 when the falling away(apostasy) happens 1st & the man of sin revealed, Jesus return is near. PeaceB2Ya
Why then was the church not here for Daniels previous 69 weeks? If we were not here for the previous 69 weeks, why then would we be here for the 70th week(The entire tribulation period) Why is the church only mentioned 1 time after Revelation chapter 4 if we would be here for any of the Tribulation? Because we are clearly not here for any of it. The Tribulation has nothing to do with the church.
Where is Jesus heading when we are caught up to meet Him? He is coming= parousia=G3952=physical presense, advent, 2nd coming.When Jesus descends with His angels & souls of dead saints, the dead in Christ(believers) are raised first, then we who are alive & remain from the great tribulation, will be caught up(translated resurrected bodies) all will be together in the air above the Mt of Olives, then Jesus will set His feet down on the earth. All happens at the Coming=Parousia of Yeshua. PeaceB2Ya
add to your teaching the fact that it will be like Noah, and Lot and you will see that the Lord will eradicate the wicked and save the righteous on the SAME DAY! There is no rapture. We are gathered unto the Lord at his second coming.
JimmyCarol100. said don't believe him, true ,he is a deceiver with false teaching opposing God's word and doesn't fit the overall picture that Scripture paints. He has taken out Scripture that fits his mindset. Do your own study and learn that R. Showers has far more truth.
A deceiver huh? Why then was the church not here for Daniels previous 69 weeks? If we were not here for the previous 69 weeks, why then would we be here for the 70th week?(The 70th week is the entire tribulation period) Why is the church only mentioned 1 time after Revelation chapter 4 if we would be here for any of the Tribulation? Because we are clearly not here for any of it. The Tribulation has nothing to do with the church.
@@kblasterbug The tribulation has nothing to do with the Bride of Christ, a big difference from the Church
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