Just remember...Neville earned that extra ten points that put Gryffendor over the top for the House Cup in their first year. Dumbledore saw something in Neville that noone else cared to see. He had the real bravery of a Gryffendor.
So true and that basically made him their hidden weapon, Voldy didn’t know that part of the prophecy if I remember correctly so he didn’t see him as a threat and underestimated him.
IMO and m what I've noticed about the sortings is that the students are sorted not so much into houses whose qualities fit their strengths but their potential. Hermione could have been sorted into Ravenclaw, but she was already academically smart and astute. Judging from the first year, she had fears of going the lengths off risking her greatest fear, expulsion. (yes, the boggart turned into McGonagall telling her she failed all her classes. I think it amounts to the same thing.) Although I think the troll might have shifted her perspective a bit. A bit. Neville seemed like a plain boy by both magical and muggle standards. I agree with Dumbledore, tho, that it takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your friends. Just like hard work in a tough course and bringing your grade up from an F to a D or C, these points were hard won. When such a low grade is hard won, the effort makes it worth more than the zoom to top of the class in an easier (to you) class. Neville goes from being hung on a chandelier to being the quickest to learn certain defensive spells, surpassing most DA lags, and sometimes Hermione as well. Neville is a gentle soul, and I don't hate him being a Herbology and Charms master. Maybe he fills in for Flitwick sometimes? Who becomes charms teacher after Flitwick?
It wasn't simply a fear of expulsion. Hermione has a fear of failure. You see this every time she is confronted by this fear, especially in the books. When she rage quits Divination. When she expresses frustration when she isn't the first or even quick to get something. Not loving flying because, although she was adequately proficient at flying, she wasn't exceptional. Ron actually implied at one point that roping Hermione into chess was a good thing, because she needed exposure to not being exceptionally successful at everything.
I see Neville as that person who kind of is in the background and doesn't really wow anyone at first. But when the chips are down he'll step up and you'll be glad he had your back.
The thing is, Neville has always had an inner strength in him. When he tried to stand in the way of the Golden Trio sneaking out of the tower and costing Gryphondor even more points, only to be waylaid by Hermione with a petrification spell. Dumbledore even makes a point of rewarding him last during the end of year feast, saying it takes more courage to stand to friends than to enemies.
Neville was just fine, but he was quashed by his gran. Sad. He deserved better. With Harry, you can understand why he was quashed, but with Neville...his Gran was a true witch. Why was he so quashed. Turns out, Neville was a true hero and a true Gryffendor.
My theory is why Neville was so bad at performing magic was because he was using his father’s wand which didn’t recognize him as its master similar to Ron getting his brother Charlie’s old wand. Once Neville got his own wand, his true potential emerged. He started to get onto that path when Bellatrix had broken out of Azkaban. My guess is the first wand recognized the desire of avenging his parents’ condition and decided to cooperate with Neville. Neville’s skills definitely improved after getting his very own wand and he was no longer doubting himself which was also holding him back.
Great Uncle Algie didn't throw Neville out of a window. He was dangling him over a balcony & was asked if he wanted a cream cake. Forgot he was holding Neville, let go & Neville bounced down the path. Check the books before you make such sweeping statements
I want to say that I believe that Neville was a big part of killing Voldemort. In the last battle Neville was the one to kill Nagini, who was the last Horcruxes that was keeping Voldemort soul in. If he has not killed the Snake. Harry would never killed Voldemort in that battle.
As we learn with Draco's wand, when Harry took it, loyalty changes when the owner is defeated. When Draco used his mother's wand, he noticed it didn't work quite right, as its loyalty was still with dear old mum. Frank was mentally destroyed by dark wizards, and so its loyalty was not transferred to the son, but would have been scattered.
The Longbottoms were tortured because the Deatheaters thought they knew the location of Voldemort. They did not know this (no one did) and were thus incapable of spilling secrets.
I think Voldemort himself made the choice. And it wasn't even really a choice. The prophecy could apply to Nevil or to Harry. No one, not even Dumbledore could know which. And it may have even been like Schrodinger's cat. The "Chosen One" was a superposition between the two boys. Dumbledore would have placed both the Potters and the Longbottoms in hiding, but each hiding location would have been completely independent, known by as few people as possible. Voldemort would not have had a problem killing both families and likely planned to do just that. He had no access to the Longbottom's hiding place, but that would not have mattered. Once he attacked one family, the other would surely be moved, and there was a possibility he could learn of the new hiding place. And so once he learned of the hiding place of the Potters he moved against Harry. things did not go as planned and so he was never able to move against the Longbottoms. Would he have been successful had he attacked the Longbottoms first? Maybe, in that case Nevil would not have been the Chosen One. Harry would still become the Chosen one once Voldemort found him. Perhaps there was a 3rd child to whom the prophecy applied, but Voldemort killed that family first. That would have sparked Dumbledore to hide the Potters and Longbottoms.
The prophecy itself says that Voldemort will mark him, not that he will knowingly choose him. There were only two possible boys - Dumbledore said as much. Given the vagueness of the prophecy, it is hard to say whether Neville would have survived the attack as Harry did, although based on what we know of Alice, she may well have sacrificed herself for Neville the way that Lilly did for Harry.
look up hogwarts a mystery side quest where you help hagrid as your friends all went home for chirstmas you help deliver gifts and you meet nevile who got lost in st muggos and since it was ward you heading for you show him and see his mum and dad
Is this all from the books or the movies? There are quite a few points that I recall differently than the way they’re being explained here. I’ve only read the books and seen bits of a few of the movies. It’s been some years since I read them, so maybe I will have to go back through them all again to check these story facts. For instance, I seem to remember that the shelves fell from all the wand fighting, and that is what made the orbs all fall and break… and all their messages were then released in a chaotic mishmash together. Neville smashed Harry’s orb only by mistake during the chaos. I don’t recall Neville making a decision to smash Harry’s prophecy, let alone ALL of them.
What was mentioned in the video was destruction of the time-turners - the devices like Hermione had in their third year, allowing her to attend multiple classes at the same time. I don’t recall the books mentioning their destruction as an intentional act, but it did end up happening.
the smashing of the prophecy orbs , was done by all of them to hopefully cause confusion and give them time to escape… then sometime later they ended up in the time turners room, and in the fighting the time turners were destroyed, not on purpose, just amidst the chaos… we don’t learn that they were all smashed until ‘the cursed child’
no, no, no!!!! Uncle Algy got distracted by great aunt Enid who was passing him a merangue while holding Nevile by his ankles, dangling him out the window... i mean - WHAT ? WAIT! why? :D
Meh. Who needs a wand? Wizards capable of casting without a wand are more powerful than wand users. They don't have to worry about temperamental wands or what they may be made of. They simply cast. The magic flows through them, not any intermediary object.
No I think Harry and Neville were Joined with out Harry Neville would never have been the Power House he later became Were they were born on the same month Same Birth Sign if so this was also a Clue
Holly wood, dragon heart string core, 12½",slightly spring for me. It's going to take discipline to wield this wand, though it will learn fast and be loyal as long as I'm the owner of my wand. I imagine it would do well with charms. I would want to learn household charms.
Just remember...Neville earned that extra ten points that put Gryffendor over the top for the House Cup in their first year. Dumbledore saw something in Neville that noone else cared to see. He had the real bravery of a Gryffendor.
Well said!
True!
Papa
Neville was one of two possible saviors prophesied. He killed the snake. He was one of the saviors.
Exactly, neither ones actions alone were enough to win the final battle but their actions combined did
So true and that basically made him their hidden weapon, Voldy didn’t know that part of the prophecy if I remember correctly so he didn’t see him as a threat and underestimated him.
Neville has always flown below the radar; however from year one, he has always come through at critical times in the narrative
IMO and m what I've noticed about the sortings is that the students are sorted not so much into houses whose qualities fit their strengths but their potential.
Hermione could have been sorted into Ravenclaw, but she was already academically smart and astute. Judging from the first year, she had fears of going the lengths off risking her greatest fear, expulsion. (yes, the boggart turned into McGonagall telling her she failed all her classes. I think it amounts to the same thing.)
Although I think the troll might have shifted her perspective a bit.
A bit.
Neville seemed like a plain boy by both magical and muggle standards.
I agree with Dumbledore, tho, that it takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your friends.
Just like hard work in a tough course and bringing your grade up from an F to a D or C, these points were hard won. When such a low grade is hard won, the effort makes it worth more than the zoom to top of the class in an easier (to you) class.
Neville goes from being hung on a chandelier to being the quickest to learn certain defensive spells, surpassing most DA lags, and sometimes Hermione as well.
Neville is a gentle soul, and I don't hate him being a Herbology and Charms master.
Maybe he fills in for Flitwick sometimes? Who becomes charms teacher after Flitwick?
Very astute and great observations, thank you!
It wasn't simply a fear of expulsion. Hermione has a fear of failure. You see this every time she is confronted by this fear, especially in the books. When she rage quits Divination. When she expresses frustration when she isn't the first or even quick to get something. Not loving flying because, although she was adequately proficient at flying, she wasn't exceptional. Ron actually implied at one point that roping Hermione into chess was a good thing, because she needed exposure to not being exceptionally successful at everything.
I see Neville as that person who kind of is in the background and doesn't really wow anyone at first. But when the chips are down he'll step up and you'll be glad he had your back.
Beautiful! I had always loved Neville’s backstory
The thing is, Neville has always had an inner strength in him. When he tried to stand in the way of the Golden Trio sneaking out of the tower and costing Gryphondor even more points, only to be waylaid by Hermione with a petrification spell. Dumbledore even makes a point of rewarding him last during the end of year feast, saying it takes more courage to stand to friends than to enemies.
Neville was just fine, but he was quashed by his gran. Sad. He deserved better. With Harry, you can understand why he was quashed, but with Neville...his Gran was a true witch. Why was he so quashed. Turns out, Neville was a true hero and a true Gryffendor.
Neville's Gran had already lost so much. Protecting Neville was paramount in her in her life.
My theory is why Neville was so bad at performing magic was because he was using his father’s wand which didn’t recognize him as its master similar to Ron getting his brother Charlie’s old wand. Once Neville got his own wand, his true potential emerged. He started to get onto that path when Bellatrix had broken out of Azkaban. My guess is the first wand recognized the desire of avenging his parents’ condition and decided to cooperate with Neville. Neville’s skills definitely improved after getting his very own wand and he was no longer doubting himself which was also holding him back.
Great Uncle Algie didn't throw Neville out of a window. He was dangling him over a balcony & was asked if he wanted a cream cake. Forgot he was holding Neville, let go & Neville bounced down the path. Check the books before you make such sweeping statements
Yeah, sure. It was a complete accident.🙄 He's still a garbage human being. Who dangles family out of a window?! OR over a balcony?!
Nevilles wasnt the last wand....olivander provided luna with a wand after leaving shell cottage
Luna's new wand was a gift from Olivander because she lifted his spirits during their captivity. Nevil' s was the last one purchased.
I want to say that I believe that Neville was a big part of killing Voldemort. In the last battle Neville was the one to kill Nagini, who was the last Horcruxes that was keeping Voldemort soul in. If he has not killed the Snake. Harry would never killed Voldemort in that battle.
As we learn with Draco's wand, when Harry took it, loyalty changes when the owner is defeated. When Draco used his mother's wand, he noticed it didn't work quite right, as its loyalty was still with dear old mum. Frank was mentally destroyed by dark wizards, and so its loyalty was not transferred to the son, but would have been scattered.
Quite interesting. A great story to flesh out the Harry Potter saga.
Neville is my favorite character
Since the video is about Neville, all the pictures should be showing Neville, please
Neville was the REAL MVP in the final battle.
Well, yeah, once he took care of the snake, it let Harry finish Vol off.
Didn't Ollivander made Luna Lovegood a new wand in Deathly Hallows?
He said the last person to "buy" one Luna's was a gift from Olivander
Very well done !!!
The Longbottoms were tortured because the Deatheaters thought they knew the location of Voldemort. They did not know this (no one did) and were thus incapable of spilling secrets.
I think Voldemort himself made the choice. And it wasn't even really a choice.
The prophecy could apply to Nevil or to Harry. No one, not even Dumbledore could know which. And it may have even been like Schrodinger's cat. The "Chosen One" was a superposition between the two boys. Dumbledore would have placed both the Potters and the Longbottoms in hiding, but each hiding location would have been completely independent, known by as few people as possible.
Voldemort would not have had a problem killing both families and likely planned to do just that. He had no access to the Longbottom's hiding place, but that would not have mattered. Once he attacked one family, the other would surely be moved, and there was a possibility he could learn of the new hiding place.
And so once he learned of the hiding place of the Potters he moved against Harry. things did not go as planned and so he was never able to move against the Longbottoms.
Would he have been successful had he attacked the Longbottoms first? Maybe, in that case Nevil would not have been the Chosen One. Harry would still become the Chosen one once Voldemort found him. Perhaps there was a 3rd child to whom the prophecy applied, but Voldemort killed that family first. That would have sparked Dumbledore to hide the Potters and Longbottoms.
The prophecy itself says that Voldemort will mark him, not that he will knowingly choose him.
There were only two possible boys - Dumbledore said as much.
Given the vagueness of the prophecy, it is hard to say whether Neville would have survived the attack as Harry did, although based on what we know of Alice, she may well have sacrificed herself for Neville the way that Lilly did for Harry.
"They're All Perfect!" 🌸
Neville's and Ron's character's in the movie's are Shocking 😭😤
Just plain awful.
I love this Channel and have subscribed but as a super HP fan I would really like more accuracy with the quotes and circumstances but great job! Xxx
Neville was a great wizard at the end and a hero.🪄🛖🧙♀️⚡️🧹
You have a wonderful speaking voice, and give great examples
Neville was dangled outside of a window by his ankles and it wasn't they dropped them It was accidentally dropping him.
And Neville _bounced_ instead of splatting.
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look up hogwarts a mystery side quest where you help hagrid as your friends all went home for chirstmas you help deliver gifts and you meet nevile who got lost in st muggos and since it was ward you heading for you show him and see his mum and dad
Is this all from the books or the movies? There are quite a few points that I recall differently than the way they’re being explained here. I’ve only read the books and seen bits of a few of the movies. It’s been some years since I read them, so maybe I will have to go back through them all again to check these story facts.
For instance, I seem to remember that the shelves fell from all the wand fighting, and that is what made the orbs all fall and break… and all their messages were then released in a chaotic mishmash together. Neville smashed Harry’s orb only by mistake during the chaos. I don’t recall Neville making a decision to smash Harry’s prophecy, let alone ALL of them.
What was mentioned in the video was destruction of the time-turners - the devices like Hermione had in their third year, allowing her to attend multiple classes at the same time. I don’t recall the books mentioning their destruction as an intentional act, but it did end up happening.
the smashing of the prophecy orbs , was done by all of them to hopefully cause confusion and give them time to escape… then sometime later they ended up in the time turners room, and in the fighting the time turners were destroyed, not on purpose, just amidst the chaos… we don’t learn that they were all smashed until ‘the cursed child’
Nice work
Y weren't nevel relatives in the movies
Your welcome!
When his uncle threw him out the window he didn't land safely. He literally says he bounced.
Don't recall ever seeing Neville and Hannah becoming a pair in any of the books. Was this in a continuation?
no, no, no!!!! Uncle Algy got distracted by great aunt Enid who was passing him a merangue while holding Nevile by his ankles, dangling him out the window... i mean - WHAT ? WAIT! why? :D
very interesting
Any chance their daughter-in-law, Hannah, might bring Frank and Alice healing? Or would it take their grandchild to actually pull It off 😮 !
Meh. Who needs a wand? Wizards capable of casting without a wand are more powerful than wand users. They don't have to worry about temperamental wands or what they may be made of. They simply cast. The magic flows through them, not any intermediary object.
Neville was the chosen one. Harry was just a diversion.
No I think Harry and Neville were Joined with out Harry Neville would never have been the Power House he later became Were they were born on the same month Same Birth Sign if so this was also a Clue
My wand according to the Wizarding World site is a limewood with a unicorn hair core and a slightly yielding flexibility and is 10 inches long
Holly wood, dragon heart string core, 12½",slightly spring for me.
It's going to take discipline to wield this wand, though it will learn fast and be loyal as long as I'm the owner of my wand.
I imagine it would do well with charms.
I would want to learn household charms.
How do muggles get Thier names added then?
They show they can do magic
It's not the core of the wand, it is the core of the wizard.🤔
And/or how they work together.
Well sai, anyway.
What bout hagrid he could have helped with given harry money
It's just a book
It's pop culture.
@MrKilroi It's just a close-minded statement. How myopic of you to discount the imaginations that shape our world.
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Thank you, this narrative was most compelling and provided insights that I had not gotten while reading the books.🪄🪄🪄