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Can easily turn into just a baritone by swapping to fishman pickups and a volume pot. Remove all the rest of the pots and wiring 😂 Best is to just get a 30” baritone guitar instead of doing all of that like i have in drop E right now.
In my experience, it's a bit of a lottery whether bass pickups sound good for a guitar sound or not, but I personally do this all the time, I even route my neck pickup to a bass amp and bridge to a guitar one so I can get both sounds at the same time, it's about the hugest sound I've ever heard come out of a single instrument ever.
I really like how Meshuggah’s mixes sound, and I think a lot of it is due to the bass being tuned to the same octave as the guitars. Really sounds like the guitars thrmselves are fatter and more clanky while the bass isn’t too low in the mix to be audible.
Meshuggah actually thought of using 3 basses, then Ibanez luthier suggested to use 8 strings instead (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess this cover shows what could have been
Yeah, it was around Nothing that they thought of that. Also, it was Nevborn at first, not Ibanez, but the tuning stability was shite so Ibanez stepped in and here we are
Tbh I Was playing a 4 string bass through parallax and the Fortin nameless suite in parallel the other day and it made me wonder if it’s time to just consider the bass cool and primary. They feel better to hold anyway. Guitar has evolved into bass.
@@Magdalena8008s Nah, I've seen the word crop up in fiction and the like which is how I learned how to pronounce it. I think it was also making the rounds in a few political circles last election.
In your live show I saw that you record one guitar track on the right and one on the left. Following the advice of other producers, I record two pairs of guitars per channel and with two different tones. Since I always like to learn new things and your mixes have a very high quality, what do you recommend?
Unrelated, but I really hope you cover the new Alpha Wolf 'The Noise' pedal. It sold out already, and I'm really hoping you got one in time. Or better yet, Tallon will send you one.
This song has 3 epically distinct breakdowns. All amazing, but one is quite definitely the superior: ...AGOSTIC'S NEMESIS A PROPHET OF EXTINCTION... I SCORCH THE SKIES BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES...
It works better than I expected with a guitar tone - but I do still think I like how "actual" guitar pickups sound for these tunings imo. At one point I was thinking of turning it into a mod project and swapping the pickups and electronics for guitar pups... but then I was like well then it would be basically the same as other guitars I already have haha so I just left it as-is
@@BaenaCarcosa haha good point! When I saw Bartolinis I was curious how they'd be. For some reason I thought the ran EMGs Also great job on the tones. Parallax is a must for bass
Sounds so much better with actual low end lol them playing in the same octave never made sense to me and I never liked the way they sounded because of that.
Random but serious question here: in this super low tuned era if a guitar is tuned to double drop D for example what would the bassist in that band tune to? Triple drop D? Still an octave below the guitars?
Going an extra octave below will require having thick enough strings AND a long enough scale length (37” scale length for the bass) and your cheapest option is a rondo bass for about $500 and the quality isn’t great from what I’ve heard. Ibanez has a BTB bass for about $1100 and then dingwalls such as Baenas for $2500 or so.
Real talk regarding bass and lower tunings. Do you guys tune your bass down an octave from the guitar or just play the same octave as the guitar? I have pondered this and tried both but what is the general consensus on this?
If the tuning is lower than G then it's better to play the same octave. Bass is gonna make guitar sound beefier. Cause when it's below G, bass tuned octave down is almost inaudible and it almost makes no sense to play low notes like that
That's what I did. Figured if I was gonna get a 7 then I might as well just get an 8 for a similar price since I was really starting to get into Meshuggah at the time. I got a Harley Benton QBB 8 for around $350 and put a Lundgren M8 in it and it sounds great. I hear the cheaper ibanez 8 strings are pretty decent too.
@@Sasquatch33 Thanks for the reply, that Harley Benton has been on my wishlist for a while now, paired with a Digitech Whammy DT, i think it is going to be great.
@@tatocta Just be prepared, you are getting what you're paying for. While it does have locking tuners and a thru neck, It also has a lot of neck dive, and the fret ends are pretty sharp. The biggest problem I've had with it is that the nut slots aren't cut wide/deep enough for the 7th and 8th strings so any string gauge bigger than around 74+ won't actually fit into the slot which then creates a lot of buzz. I've been using d'addarios 9-65 because they're really the only ones that fit snug, but they do work. Other than that it's a really nice guitar for the price, no dead frets, no loose knobs, tuners etc. I've been thinking of just taking it to a Luthier to fix those things because it wouldn't be too much work.
It sounds pretty damn good, all things said. But, it doesn't feel like a guitar tuned to that pitch. The "Why don't you just play bass" crowd has it wrong. - Your friendly neighborhood bassist.
And the same exact lesson to take from getting a good tone that low is to make sure the high mids are attacking the front of the amp WAY harder than the lows. If a "bass" can sound this good, so can any of your shitty baritones. All about what hits the amp/sim.
@@SamBrockmann ? What are you talking about People usually find that 8 string guitar and above are pretty muddy, and i do think that Andrew did a good job of not letting this be the case. Also, Im trying to argue here.
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He did it. The mad lad did it. He played bass.
True!😆
Some say he's been doing that the whole time
HELL YEAH I'M GONNA CHUG MY PANTS
This elicited a strange image of liquid pants in my mind.
WhY d0nt U JusT pl@y A GUitAR? 😵💫🤡🫣🤪
DAMN ok so it turns out all the "just play a bass" comments we got over the years were warranted 😅
That Ibanez is basically a baritone guitar if it took on more bass than guitar qualities
That's why I called it "the Ibanez Bass VI"
It even has a knob to go between bass 6 and baritone sounds.
Can easily turn into just a baritone by swapping to fishman pickups and a volume pot. Remove all the rest of the pots and wiring 😂
Best is to just get a 30” baritone guitar instead of doing all of that like i have in drop E right now.
Yeah it’s a bass VI, not sure if they started it but Fender/Squier have one and it’s actually a decent bit of kit.
In my experience, it's a bit of a lottery whether bass pickups sound good for a guitar sound or not, but I personally do this all the time, I even route my neck pickup to a bass amp and bridge to a guitar one so I can get both sounds at the same time, it's about the hugest sound I've ever heard come out of a single instrument ever.
How in the hell did you manage that ??
Yeah how did you even manage to do that??
Does each pickup have a separate cable output?
I really like how Meshuggah’s mixes sound, and I think a lot of it is due to the bass being tuned to the same octave as the guitars. Really sounds like the guitars thrmselves are fatter and more clanky while the bass isn’t too low in the mix to be audible.
Meshuggah actually thought of using 3 basses, then Ibanez luthier suggested to use 8 strings instead (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess this cover shows what could have been
Yeah, it was around Nothing that they thought of that.
Also, it was Nevborn at first, not Ibanez, but the tuning stability was shite so Ibanez stepped in and here we are
In an alternate universe where Meshuggah went for basses instead, I wonder if the use of Bass VI in metal would have started earlier
I always tought the bass had to be an octave lower than the guitar, so i never understood what tuning the bass in meshuggah should be 😂
Meshuggah uses EQ and mixing techniques to give space to the guitars and the bass.
The bass is tuned A# F A# D# G#, so up a semitone on 4 and dropped on 5.
That sub bass brings a whole new level of thickness, Jesus. F0 is insane
I have a SR 506 soundgear.good to see you back to tuned down ideas...that's what made me follow you bro🤘
You know, that’s actually not a bad idea 😏🤭
The music vid yall did with the plush bass fish was the best lol
That Dingwall bass is so fuckin chunky. MESHUGGAH RULES
Especially like the part at 2:13 😎 thanks for the feature for Tones 💥
Sounds THICC
Glad to see someone using the Ibanez in videos.
Just purchased the Ibanez SRC6MS tonight, perfect timing, that settled it! Can't wait for it to be delivered!!
Meshuggah moment
When 2 brr brr Dengs collide
Now I want someone to make a Mudvayne and Powerman 5000 mash up.
Brbr deng final form
Love your feel at 5:10 riff.... Thanks for inspiring me to make a UA-cam thing ... Much love take care BROTHER !!! 🤘 🔥
Fucking gnarly hahaha. I think because it was the cross over it didn't sound too weird. HEAVY SHIZZ
Tbh I Was playing a 4 string bass through parallax and the Fortin nameless suite in parallel the other day and it made me wonder if it’s time to just consider the bass cool and primary. They feel better to hold anyway. Guitar has evolved into bass.
I always thought it was pronounced "demi-urge". Still very good
It is. I think the only people who actually know how it's pronounced are those interested in Gnostic texts.
@@Magdalena8008s I don't even know what that is. It's just how I've always heard it pronounced
@@Magdalena8008s Confirmed. From a fellow internetperson with an interest in Gnosticism.
@@Magdalena8008s Nah, I've seen the word crop up in fiction and the like which is how I learned how to pronounce it. I think it was also making the rounds in a few political circles last election.
Excellent work, mate
I do like the original sound of the 8 string guitars, but I do think that bass/bass VI can also do the job !
In your live show I saw that you record one guitar track on the right and one on the left.
Following the advice of other producers, I record two pairs of guitars per channel and with two different tones.
Since I always like to learn new things and your mixes have a very high quality, what do you recommend?
Right on man . Sounds sick.🤘
Like listening to Meshuggah over the phone.
Saw this on stream!
Unrelated, but I really hope you cover the new Alpha Wolf 'The Noise' pedal. It sold out already, and I'm really hoping you got one in time. Or better yet, Tallon will send you one.
Yep it’ll be here tomorrow
@@BaenaCarcosa love to hear it. Can't wait to see/hear your thoughts man🔥🔥 gonna make some nasty riffs with that bad boy
This song has 3 epically distinct breakdowns. All amazing, but one is quite definitely the superior:
...AGOSTIC'S NEMESIS
A PROPHET OF EXTINCTION...
I SCORCH THE SKIES BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES...
yes.
Damn I really wanna get one of those Ibanez bass vi models now. How do you like that as a guitar?
It works better than I expected with a guitar tone - but I do still think I like how "actual" guitar pickups sound for these tunings imo. At one point I was thinking of turning it into a mod project and swapping the pickups and electronics for guitar pups... but then I was like well then it would be basically the same as other guitars I already have haha so I just left it as-is
@@BaenaCarcosa haha good point! When I saw Bartolinis I was curious how they'd be. For some reason I thought the ran EMGs
Also great job on the tones. Parallax is a must for bass
I thought Meshuggah was using the bass from the start
Shame the actual album wasn't mixed like this. That album in particular really felt like there was absolutely no bass presence.
AINT NO WAY YOU SAID DEM-YURGE
Sounds so much better with actual low end lol them playing in the same octave never made sense to me and I never liked the way they sounded because of that.
Bro where did you got that vulvo hoodie?
I toured with them 😌
Extinction Level Event. Just sayin. They're pretty rad. So are you. Nice work.
🤘
Random but serious question here: in this super low tuned era if a guitar is tuned to double drop D for example what would the bassist in that band tune to? Triple drop D? Still an octave below the guitars?
Completely up to you. I like an octave down, some people don’t 🤷♂️
@@BaenaCarcosaAh okay, thanks for the reply man
Most do it in the same octave as the guitars but some bands still do it an octave lower
Going an extra octave below will require having thick enough strings AND a long enough scale length (37” scale length for the bass) and your cheapest option is a rondo bass for about $500 and the quality isn’t great from what I’ve heard. Ibanez has a BTB bass for about $1100 and then dingwalls such as Baenas for $2500 or so.
@@Wind-nj5xzthanks for the info. Can you still differentiate the bass in the mix from the guitars if they're all playing in the same octave?
You play most 8 or 9 String Guitar so Bass is just for you
Just play bass!
Edit: Sorry, commented before watching.
Needs more slap.
Real talk regarding bass and lower tunings. Do you guys tune your bass down an octave from the guitar or just play the same octave as the guitar? I have pondered this and tried both but what is the general consensus on this?
If the tuning is lower than G then it's better to play the same octave. Bass is gonna make guitar sound beefier. Cause when it's below G, bass tuned octave down is almost inaudible and it almost makes no sense to play low notes like that
This is so low its barely audible on my phone.
Should I skip buying an 7 string and go direclty to 8?
That's what I did. Figured if I was gonna get a 7 then I might as well just get an 8 for a similar price since I was really starting to get into Meshuggah at the time. I got a Harley Benton QBB 8 for around $350 and put a Lundgren M8 in it and it sounds great. I hear the cheaper ibanez 8 strings are pretty decent too.
@@Sasquatch33 Thanks for the reply, that Harley Benton has been on my wishlist for a while now, paired with a Digitech Whammy DT, i think it is going to be great.
@@tatocta Just be prepared, you are getting what you're paying for. While it does have locking tuners and a thru neck, It also has a lot of neck dive, and the fret ends are pretty sharp. The biggest problem I've had with it is that the nut slots aren't cut wide/deep enough for the 7th and 8th strings so any string gauge bigger than around 74+ won't actually fit into the slot which then creates a lot of buzz. I've been using d'addarios 9-65 because they're really the only ones that fit snug, but they do work.
Other than that it's a really nice guitar for the price, no dead frets, no loose knobs, tuners etc. I've been thinking of just taking it to a Luthier to fix those things because it wouldn't be too much work.
@@Sasquatch33 I have the Harley Benton ST-20HH, same problems with the frets, I guess the QC was not that great. Thank you for the details!
It sounds exactly the same lol
I feel like Fredriks 8 string is essentially a bass already, that thing is KMac HEAVY.
I’m not a fan of 8 strings, but the “why don’t you just play bass” comments are the most brain dead, brains rotted, comments.
So what's wrong?
The way you’re pronouncing demiurge is cursed
It sounds pretty damn good, all things said. But, it doesn't feel like a guitar tuned to that pitch. The "Why don't you just play bass" crowd has it wrong. - Your friendly neighborhood bassist.
This is the closest i've ever heard a bass come to the sound of an 8 string guitar, but even then there's a noticeable difference
do you get hate from real bass players?
There’s no such thing as
@@mltproductionstudio i mean im glad this was uploaded on yt. not instagram lol.
I've got a cover of perpetual black second but it sounds like fieldy did the bass (and the outro is melodic)...not a shameless plug, not at all.
Demiurge is pronounced demi-urge.
Come on man. Get familiar with the gnostic texts.
Am I the only one Who thing that It sounds like a duck? 🤔
And the same exact lesson to take from getting a good tone that low is to make sure the high mids are attacking the front of the amp WAY harder than the lows. If a "bass" can sound this good, so can any of your shitty baritones. All about what hits the amp/sim.
It lacks clarity and punch.
What ? generally speaking, basses are better than guitars for punch and clarity
@@waizzee5970 , well, thanks for letting us know that we should never hire you to mix or master anything.
@@SamBrockmann ? What are you talking about
People usually find that 8 string guitar and above are pretty muddy, and i do think that Andrew did a good job of not letting this be the case.
Also, Im trying to argue here.
@@waizzee5970 , go suck on a twig. Seriously, dude, I can't pay attention to you after you just proved you know ZERO about how bass works.
Disagree