Yes, I understand that it is a weak argument and reason as many Christians have many apologetics. I share how it led me to start doubting the nature of God as described as all knowing, all good and all powerful.
@@Stinky97000 If there is no God then evil does not exist. It definitely is a weak argument considering you now don't have any objective standard to judge evil by. So in that case God cannot allow or be evil since it does not exist.
@raiova8550 , morals are value judgments and therefore cannot be objective. What you mean is you believe that your god is the arbiter of morality. That would still be his opinion. Plus, others claim that it's their god dictates morality. Even people that worship the same god as you can't agree on morality. Question. Why does your god torture billions of children?
@@Stinky97000 Like i said, if God exists then it is a fact that objective morality exist because He would be the objective moral standard. Then it is not my opinion but a fact i would have to live with wether i like it or not. I don't see any christians disagreeing on what is moral and what is not. The bible is clear. God doesn't torture children, we do. Learn to take responsibility. Question. Even if God would somehow torture billions of babies why is that evil? When according to you we are all accidents.
Rwandan atheist here 👋🏽 am excited for this channel. Great Job you speak with such calm and it’s a good skill to possess in these kinds of talks. A skill i wish i had 😂 great job
I try. At first I wanted to come with the same energy that Christians use when talking to atheists, then I realized how important it is for us to have meaningful discussions.
@@jod35. i hear you my brother, you risk them using ur temperament against you. But you are on the right path for good conversations i look forward to where this will go, good luck.
It's really easy for an atheist, it's just a word. It's really easy if you believe in an evil god - s/he enjoys the suffering. It's impossible if you believe in a tri-omni god, but apologists will keep pretending for clicks and $$$s.
@@ziploc2000 i do not understand this way of thinking. No God = life is suffering with a pointless end. God = Suffering with purpose, where the end is just the beginning. I didnt put much thought into it when i was younger but only when i realized how much evil is in the world, did i come to this conclusion Its not impossible if you believe in a good God. Why would a good God mean its impossible to understand evil?
Thank you brother. I am from Namibia and very happy to have such awesome videos of people who have doubt and skepticism as tools for critical thinking.
I really enjoyed this video! I was never a Christian, but I do like hearing how people are falling away from the religion. It helps me to better understand the religion as a whole, and to understand the situation we now find ourselves in here in America. Congratulations for your bravery and your transparency. You have a new subscriber.
It's definitely a valid personal reason. The reason why I don't talk much about it with Christian friends/family is because there are infinite excuses that can be made for evil. It's always "we will never be able to understand why, and only this god character with his infinite wisdom knows why this is necessary for good to prevail". Ultimately, his plan is good by default simply because he's god, even when his plan was killing newborn babies. Not a morality that I'm okay with.
Just want to put in that I like the way you put in the corrections for places where you caught a mistake. This level of honesty isn't, but should be, the standard.
My comment keeps getting nommed. Apparently I'm being too spicy so I'll just say this is a good video! Good job, from a fellow anti-theist and humanist.
@@WhyAreWe_Here What thope is there is your lack of belief that you'll win 100 million in the lottery next week? It's the number one reason for everyone becoming dishonest fraudsters who rip off everyone tgullible enough to fall for their scams, so obviously, even if you aren't someone who scams little old ladies out of their pensions, you will be since you don't believe that you'll win the lottery nxt week! You _must_ believe in that lottery money if you don't want to become such a despicable excuse of a human being!
@@WhyAreWe_Here Hi, I hope you typed this being 100% honest. As a former believer, I will tell you that I saw many religious believers do bad things that you would consider immoral. And at all times, the only excuse would be to ask God for forgiveness, It is better to be good without fear to be punished
@@jod35. Yes it is how i feel from my own observation and research. Doesnt religion say we are all sinful? So why would you assume or grow cold to God when you see religious people who are bad? I would never say there is no God because of peoples actions in this world. I also wouldnt believe in God just because of fear but through respect and love for creating everything we take for granted. People striving to do good through the teaching of God is how the Christian culture shaped the western world. Atheism leaves everything open to individual interpretation and as a result will lead to chaos in the long run. We already have people giving up life because of hopelessness and despair, young people literally walk in to centres to die and they get assistance in doing so. This is evil, women aborting pregnancies especially late term are also evil. These things are from atheist belief systems and lacks morals guidance. Atheism will have you questioning your existence, coming to the conclusion that it is pointless, a life without hope, only living to fulfil our own desires that you always seem to grow tired of. This seems very lonely and empty to me. Why exist at all? after all when we are dead, it will be as if we never existed, so why would it matter that we existed at all? This seems pointless to me and it does not make sense when asked why do we exist? Anyway i think the evil in this world is terrible but that doesnt change how view on God because if there is life after death then God wouldnt see death as such a terrible end. We do though because we cannot comprehend existence after death unless you truly believe. So what we see as suffering, isnt suffering in the long run is there is a God. If there is no God then life is nothing but suffering.
This is an easy subscription. Found you at exactly 100 subscribers. You deserve more support along your journey, considering you probably had dogma and religious propaganda drilling into you by society for many years. Good on you, friend!
@OceanusHelios You say : Welcome to the default position. We are all born as atheists. When we are all born not being able to talk does that mean we do not have the capacity to talk and we only begin to communicate in intelligible spoken language because we are taught by others and without being taught then none of us would communicate in words. I believe some would just grunt for the rest of their lives in total ignorance like Atheists do when it comes to communicating with their creator. While others would seek to speak and find out how to communicate in real terms. We all have the capacity to know that there is a spiritual dimension to us and some ignore it and suppress it while others seek it and find it's origin.
@@pascalonyango2427 There was no evidence of America until someone looked and searched for something out of what was known. When you search like many do then you will find evidence. Many said at one time the earth was flat and there no evidence at the time to prove otherwise. If you had walked in my shoes for the past 60 years you would know that there is more personal experienced evidence for a spiritual world, spirits and souls than there is for Joe Biden being president of the United States.
@@disproveofthis "We all have the capacity to know that there is a spiritual dimension to us and some ignore it and suppress it while others seek it and find it's origin." Shame that despite everyone supposedly having that capacity, zero people actually know there is a spiritual dimension or anything spiritual outside of liquor. Make mine a schnapps. (Knowledge is _justified true belief_ and there's no justified true beliefs about "spiritual".. in fact, I've never found anyone who could coherently define that crap.)
As an atheist, the story of Job brings up hard questions about suffering and fairness. In the story, Job, who is a good person, goes through terrible pain because God and Satan make a bet. This seems unfair to me because Job's suffering doesn’t seem to have a good reason behind it. It paints a picture of a God who allows innocent people to suffer to prove a point, which doesn’t match the idea of a loving and just God. Since I don’t believe in a higher power, the story of Job feels more like an example of how life can be random and cruel rather than a lesson about why suffering happens.
Keep watching the Richard Dawkins , Christopher Hitchens ,Neil Degrass Tyson, George Carlin, Aron Ra , Mat Dillahunty ,Sam Harris , Richard Kraus and Ricky Gervais videos about religion . They make the case for atheism almost bulletproof .
If god is all powerful, all knowing and all good. Then we are in the wrong universe. If me and you can imagine a better world, what about an all knowing god. If you were god wld you create the same exact world or wld you make changes and if you would then why hasn’t god done anything.
@GHOSTndMACHINZ A bit like this one you mean. A New Heaven and a New Earth REVELATION 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” 5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
@GHOSTndMACHINZ Your ignorance to what Christians actually believe is astounding. I bet you are one of those people who buy something and moan that if you had designed it then it would do certain things that it clearly does not do and then say oh i just read the instructions and it actually does do what i moaned about it not doing! God does not imagine a world different to this he proclaims that indeed he will do it !!! Revelation 21 A New Heaven and a New Earth 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” 5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Do you actually know anything about what you ramble on about regarding GOD !!!!
There is actually a perfect kill-shot argument for all religions. The argument is prayer. Prayer is something that can actually be scientifically tested. Each time prayer has been tested, it has never been shown to make a measurable difference in recovery rates. In fact, multiple studies have demonstrated that more secular societies have better health outcomes across the board. Researchers have discovered that most people pray for peace, health, and stability. However, according to available data, many highly religious societies often exhibit higher crime rates, shorter life expectancies, and a greater likelihood of experiencing poverty. Why would a loving god ever allow this to be the case? Why does the universe that God created seem to reward people who explore secular sciences under secular institutions?
It's a complete argument against the specific god claim many Christians make, rather than an argument against all god claims. Perfectly fine for addressing the actually good, actually powerful being they say is real. To address it, they have to say God isn't good or God isn't that powerful or God is both not good and not that powerful. In other words, they have to agree with you.
@archapmangcmg (To address it, they have to say God isn't good or God isn't that powerful or God is both not good and not that powerful. In other words, they have to agree with you. Totally strawman argument. You miss out the real point altogether. It is not about God being just Good ----- he will show that at the end when he judges the evil. God is all powerful -- he will show that at the end when he does it. Matthew 25 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” REVELATION 20/The Judgment of the Dead 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. As i said: Good - not allow evil to go unpunished Powerful -- no one will stand before him on that day. Good because instead of judgement of Hell being a done deal he gives you a choice. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. He paid the penalty for you but you just have to accept and change your attitude which the bible refers to as Repentance.
@@disproveofthis That's not good. Thanks for proving my point. Good would be preventing evil and suffering where you can. Instead, your god rewards murderers and worse while being evil towards ordinary innocent people. And if he's all-powerful, he can show his power right this second by presenting convincing evidence that he exists and without violating anyone's free will etc. He'd have _that power_ if he has _all power_
@@archapmangcmg do you think that him showing his power would be jumping to you telling him what he should and shouldn't do. Because if you can tell a supreme ruler of the universe what to do then where would there be any evidence of him being God. That evidence would point to you being God. It is a stupid straw man argument. You moan that he lets evil go unpunished. Then you moan that he punishes evil you moan that he is not good because if he does not punish evil when you command him to then you moan when he shows his power and authority by NOT JUMPING TO YOUR COMMAND Grow up end of discussion. Go and do the dishes or something will you.
The "free will" argument completely falls apart with natural disasters. Wars are caused by violent humans, but natural disasters are caused by forces that literally don't know what they're doing. God could easily save lives from natural disasters without violating anybody's free will. So why doesn't he?
You raise a good point, and it's one of the big questions I struggled with myself. If the free will argument is meant to explain human-caused suffering, it doesn’t seem to apply to natural disasters, which aren’t the result of anyone’s choices. It’s hard to understand why an all-powerful, loving God wouldn’t intervene to prevent those kinds of tragedies, especially since doing so wouldn’t violate anyone’s free will. It’s questions like this that made me reconsider my faith and seek answers outside of religion. Ultimately, I couldn’t find a satisfying explanation for why so much suffering exists in a world supposedly governed by a benevolent God.
@@jod35. You say: It’s hard to understand why an all-powerful, loving God wouldn’t intervene to prevent those kinds of tragedies, especially since doing so wouldn’t violate anyone’s free will. It’s questions like this that made me reconsider my faith. Really these questions are Christianity 101. I don't know what sort of church you were brought up in but those i seek to disciple can answer these questions in a couple of weeks as they are just so basic. I hope in the end that you stop making excuses as i believe thare are many things you are not sharing and if i got the chance to speak to those close to you they would give a different account of why you say you doubt.
@@pascalonyango2427 The answer i have already given. When you search like many do then you will find evidence. That is the answer don't expect others to do your homework for you!
Apparently, Jesus doesn’t love people who have good reason to believe in him. And that’s why you guys have to bring up hell every time someone just tells you about how they are not convinced of the existence of your God. how would God feel if he found out that you only love him because you are afraid of hell?
Through experience, I can know that disease is bad. And through empathy I can feel bad for those who lose their lives in such, empathy and personal experiences play a role in my judgement. I don’t need your standard to know it’s bad to rape or murder someone
I have four questions for atheists. 1. Atoms are the smallest building block of life itself. Who made atoms? 2. Scientists, Engineers, Mathematicians & Archaeologists have discovered that math is a very complex language used to prove the existence of God. Do you agree or Disagree? 3. If you don’t believe in God, or anything, what makes up your worldview and what is your thoughts on morality? 4. You can get nothing from something, but you can’t get something from nothing. Do you agree or disagree?
While we don’t claim to have all the answers, that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion that God created atoms. It’s important to consider how mathematical principles can be applied to various concepts, but proving God using math is a complex and subjective matter. I sense some condescension in this conversation. We all hold beliefs for different reasons-some based on personal experiences, others on observable facts. When it comes to morality, we can rely on empathy and the impact our actions have on others, which can evolve as we grow and learn. I do not wish to have my morals come from God. On many occasions he commands people to do wrong. He observes rapists, murderers and many others do what they do without doing anything.
Christian apologists: If God solved all our problems, we wouldn't grow up. We need to learn to support ourselves. Also Christian apologists: We will never understand the complexities of God's perfect design. We will always be children to him. Well, which is it?
That’s a good point. Some apologists say that suffering helps us 'grow up' and learn to handle things on our own. But then they also say we’ll always be like children to God and can’t understand His plan. It feels confusing-are we supposed to become independent, or are we always dependent on God’s plan? It seems like they use whichever explanation fits the moment, without really answering the question.
@nonwoke Do you have any idea how many Christians die of preventable diseases because they genuinely believe that prayer will save them instead of medicine, so they stop taking medicine? I may not believe in Jesus, but lots of people do, and their faith is still not rewarded. There are countless news articles that say something to the effect of, "Christian dies of preventable disease. His/her last words were, 'Doctor Jesus will cure me.'"
@nonwokeI suppose I never really fit the mold of a 'True Scotsman.' It's such a flawed way to dismiss someone from a discussion. Faith isn't a reliable way to understand beliefs that shape important life decisions-like how to treat others, who to marry, or how to raise children.
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u can still grow up and be a child.. just think about ur parents and grandparents GP will always see ur parent as their child
@addictedtonotsmoking2893 I think the problem lies with the fact that you are immature as a person. Go through that one again and instead of thinking about God in the question and perspective. Put every parent and their own children there instead.I think the problem lies with the fact that you are immature as a person. Go through that one again and instead of thinking about God in the question and perspective. Put every parent and their own children there instead. How old are you as i think most of what you are going through every child goes through when their parents tell them they can't go out because they need to clean their room and put their dirty clothes in the basket.
God IS all good and all powerful. Doesn't mean he'll intervene in your life so you won't suffer and die. Natural disasters are part of living. How do we respond to them? Do we do everything we can to help, or do we ignore them because they're not happening to us? How would you like to have been born a worm, a tick, a mole, an ameba or a maggot? Against all odds you're a person. You're made in the image and likeness of God. This is a tough life. We live in a valley of tears and suffering. But it's worth it. On the other side is eternal happiness. Don't judge God, lest you be judged.
@@jod35. No we don't and he doesn't. Everything God does is consistent. The last on Earth will be first in Heaven, as in the critically ill and incapacitated. Many of the first on Earth will be last in Heaven. He leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one stray. He gave his life for us, suffering more than anyone. “But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed” Don't judge God, endure the trials, suffering, and temptations of this world.
yes, i arrived at the "atheism point" some 7 years ago. but it doesn't change much after that, at least for me. "now what?" there is no objective morality, no good and evil. things just are. as time goes by you realize the "is vs ought" has no solution, neither is universe supposed to provide one. it is kind of depressing when you start to think of insignificance, so the only thing you can do to keep yourself out of depression is to just not think about philosophy at all. because you quickly realize there are no actual values in life. luckily, i don't have much problems with simply ignoring the futility of my existence unlike some of people i know. i put my mind to work on other stuff - like coding :)
I’m also a software engineer. I don’t think of life as an empty experience though. I feel that the very finite time we have here is one we can use to make others happy and help them. That’s what purpose is to me. More about how I can help others.
Atheists tend to see evil, suffering, and death as integral parts of the human experience, shaped by our social interactions and natural instincts rather than by a divine hand. They often grapple with the problem of evil, questioning how a loving God could allow so much suffering in the world. When it comes to death, many view it as a natural conclusion to life, focusing instead on creating meaning through relationships and making a positive impact while they’re here. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of empathy and human connection in navigating moral dilemmas and alleviating suffering, finding purpose in our shared humanity.
A major problem is very few people don't know Hebrew or Arabic so they don't know the biblical, talmudic, and koranic writers were henopseudotheists which means they adored only "yhwh"/"jhvh"/"ba'al"/"al'lah" but believed in 359 other pseudodeities.
The only answer I can come up with (and it's not a good one) is that we are supposed to be Gods hands to help the people we come across in life. Do you have a Patrion account?
We have a “right” to be confused by evil and suffering. It is very,very difficult to come to terms with this issue, on both sides. For example, it is possible to assume God Exists by the fine-tuning of the Universe, the complexity of life and many other features of Intelligent Design. But that does NOT cover the issue of suffering and evil. There are apologetics that attempt to deal with that conundrum. But to a great many of us, those apologetics fail the “reasonability”test. God must do MORE to enable us to understand this. We have a right to be “confused.” My wife is a Holocaust atheist. If Jesus wants to minister to her soul and ease her pain, it is up to HIM to do this. It is not HER responsibility or obligation.
As an atheist, I understand how hard it is to deal with the problem of suffering and evil, especially when thinking about a loving God. Many explanations try to solve this, but for those of us who don’t believe, they don’t really answer the question. The pain and trauma, especially from things like the Holocaust, make it hard to see how a kind God could allow such suffering.
@@jod35. Thanks for your reply. In a very strange way, perhaps Christianity “defines” an honest attempt to deal with pain and suffering. The suffering of Jesus is at least “honestly” portrayed. It is quite strange for a religion that aggressively desires converts to have its very center point on the worst suffering imaginable. I admit I don’t understand it either. But at least it is “honest.” It is certainly peculiar. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
It's not even "why doesn't god intervene" It's "why did got choose it to be this way." If there is a All knowing, All powerful god, that created everything and knows everything, then he designed everything to be a certain way, even free will doesn't make sense, because he knows every single person's future for all of existence even before creating the first human, meaning any tiny decision he made, can lead to a butterfly effect of evil or suffering, ultimately makes him the creator of said evil and suffering and not the "free will" of humans. Like how is creating heaven with a tree that you should not eat from, a snake that lures people into eating from it, then creates humans, and somehow is baffled and angry that the humans he created ate from it? As if he didn't exactly know what was going to happen, and then punishes humans for it. Like why have the whole ritual, just make women have periods and painful childbirth (and men work a lot i guess) from the start, if you already knew that was going to happen, there was no free will involved.
Listened carefully. I’m interested in discussions about the point dealt . Thank you. I’m in the deconstruction mode, as everyone is. Seriously thinking about the teachings of Jesus Christ, the MESsiah. I believe in HIM, and believe that HIS teachings are relevant today. Creator God hides and leaves the creature to assume. About Stating and affirming the existence of GOD, Jesus stated “even SATan knows that God exists”. The FAITH in God is different from proving the existence of God. All Religions (churches and establishments) are rationalistic (Atheistic), as they depend on RITuals rather than FAITH. RATIONALITY (the foundation of Atheism) is religious, as RITuals (SOPs, systems etc are modern day RITuals) are the foundation of rationalism also. RAtionality and FAITH are in conflict in the minds of every individual Psyche. Bible deals with this conflict from Genesis to Revelation. SATan advises the Psyche to eat fruit of the tree of knowledge and become like God, (fruit forbidden by God). We need to deconstruct the names and words to have a clearer idea. Jesus Christ was not a Christian, nor did he intend to create the religion of Christianity (churches). Jesus preached FAITH and invites rationally MAtured, SMArt Psyches to abandon the MAturity and be BORN AGAIN, and regain the FAITH of the newborn Psyche. He emphasises the importance of FAITH in the statement “ unless Born Again NONE can see the Kingdom of God/ HEAVEN.” The FAITH of the newborn Psyche Jesus emphasised again “FAITH of the size of mustard seed can move mountain”. We need to deconstruct every statement/ story to get a clearer picture. Rationality? Faith ? God ? SATan ? Trees at the Centre of the garden. Fruit. ? Evil ? Goodness ? Love ? AGAPE SCIENCE ? Deconstructing words, let’s start from “ SMArt “ Psyche. We will split words into elemental sounds used create words and then attempt to understand the meanings of such monosyllabic sounds. We will take words from various languages to understand probable meanings of elemental sounds. Then attempt to combine them into find probable meanings of words. Who am I. ? My self ! Self MAtures from the newborn Psyche (SA/ sound SA in English Self and Svayam of Indian languages) by adding knowledge (Learning/ eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge) every moment of life. Newborn self (SA) rationally MAtures by updating knowledge (MA, my knowledge) and becomes SMArt to handle the oTHer (Sound TA is found in words about something, anything , everything excluding self, across language boundaries) advantageously. SMArtness to the Psyche is provided by MA (my updated knowledge) the SATH of SATan. Sound “MA” represents the idea of everything that the self considers as mine. My knowledge, my money, my inheritance, my interactive pattern… SMArt Psyche separates “TA” from “SMA” in the thought process by “MA” (my moat, MAsk, my rational boundary) and creates duality in the universe.
As an atheist, I decide what's good or bad based on reason, empathy, and the impact of actions on others. I don't rely on religion for morality. Instead, I think about whether an action helps or harms people. Things like fairness, kindness, and understanding guide me. People can work together to create rules and values that allow everyone to live peacefully, without needing religious beliefs to know right from wrong.
Do you suppose that religion is necessary for civlization? Try having civics or taking a civics course. Maybe take a course on ethics and understand what being humane and ethical is. It is that simple. All societies have requirements and no human exists and can thrive without the cooperation of other human beings. You do not need any imagainary and non existent gods in order to have laws. Authority is given by the consent of the people. Always. No ordained kings are necessary. There is no sky wizard that will save your arguments from scrutiny or criticism. People are not required to give you or your religion the sole proprietorship on what is good or what is evil, no matter how loudly you assert that your magic book gives you perfect knowledge on what is good or evil. Imagine that. Imagine a bunch of fairy tales from the Bronze Age are insufficient in explaining good and evil at all.
@@jod35. But that shows me you are not a true atheist. There is nothing in the doctrines of atheism that says you should be a moral person. Under atheism it is a free-for-all where you do anything you want because there is no good or evil.
@@jod35. Then you are showing me you are not a true atheist. There is nothing in the doctrines of atheism that says you should be moral. If atheism is true then it is a moral free-for-all where you can do whatever you want.
God created the universe including the good and the bad, as a test for us in our search to know Him. By its nature life is not perfect. That bliss we seek is in heaven. Pass the test, bro.
Many people have existed for many years without ever having known God. Did they pass the test? Or did they fail? I cannot think of heaven because there is nothing to prove whether it exists. This life is the only one we are sure of. But even if God exists, does he possess all qualities given to him?
@@jod35. "Just say, “I can’t imagine a world without a creator “ and therefore he exists." Yes, many billion people over history have held that view. I wouldn't consider it a scientific proof for God, but it is a type of philosophical and spiritual partial response for the "question of evil".
@@jod35. No scientist can even begin to explain how the universe and life began without a creator. There is literally no argument against the existence of a creator, because: 1) There is no scientific way that the universe is infinite, therefore it must have a definite beginning. And 2) there is no scientific way life can "spontaneously" emerge from the building blocks of the universe.
It is smarter to be an agnostic than it is an atheist. Atheism leads to chaos and despair, a world without morals where everything is subjective. Your free will argument doesn't make sense to me, since if we are to be judged by our nature and moral choice then how would it make sense for anything to intervene? The choice would be taken away, so how could we be judged by our own choices morally? This answers your first question about evil too. The argument for morals is that, it is not subjective but objective, because if it were subjective then anyone could do anything no matter how bad, and we should never have an issue with it, because of course, it was the right thing for them they wouldn't see it as bad. But we know this to be false. Secondly, without evil how could you have good to appreciate? Without good there is no evil as everything would be subjective and everyone would be doing what they please without any moral obligations, again this is not what we experience. My only doubt with this would come from third world countries where their culture is different and k1ll people in the most horrendous ways like its a normal occurrence. Morals being objective and being a part of the universe is a hard one to understand. So i have doubts in that area, but that's just one argument of many, and i don't feel that's enough to justify saying atheism is true but there are countless things that just wouldn't make sense if that were true. I'm not defending Christianity or any other religion as I'm still trying to understand things too, but i find it hard to understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that atheism is the only answer. Its mind boggling to me. Even believing this is a simulation would be a step up because then at least you'd see there's something more to our existence.
First of all, you need to understand the definition of agnosticism, “1. : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable” . You can be an agnostic and an atheist, and you can also be a theist
@@jod35. I know the meaning of agnosticism. So look what im saying is, It is smarter to admit you know don't know than to believe in atheism. Agnosticism leaves the possibility of God open, where as Atheism is believing there is no God. We dont even understand a fraction of reality and yet we humans would sit here and say we know there is no creator. That is beyond absurdity.
’ll put it this way: it’s entirely possible to believe in God’s existence without feeling compelled to worship. This is my own position-I simply don’t find enough reason to believe God exists, let alone worship him. The difference between us is that you approach the idea of God’s existence with certainty. If God exists, an atheist could acknowledge that reality and still choose whether or not to worship. Meanwhile, an agnostic holds a position of uncertainty-they either don’t know or feel there’s not enough evidence to decide. That agnostic can lean toward atheism (by not believing) or theism (by believing). Christians often create definitions to support their perspective, much like the way you're framing atheism here. But I’d invite you to present evidence of a creator-proof that could show God’s existence in a way that leaves no room for skepticism. The answer is 0. There is nothing you can tell me that will lead me to belief without being skeptical. I will wait. If you can prove your god exists, do it. I will testify about how I was convinced on this same channel
@@OceanusHelios It is so funny how Christians think we have not yet read it. And to be honest, such arguments are made to make them cling onto faith, They do not act as evidence.
Psalm 14:1-3 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, Don’t be deceived guys. God is not mocked. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Jesus Christ can save you from your sins and make peace between you and God. Trust in the blood of Christ by faith as sufficient payment for your sins and God will forgive you. Don’t stand guilty before God on the day of judgment for all the lies, adultery, fornication, drunkenness, and pride you have committed in this world. It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Do not be deceived.
For the fool has decided to judge people simply because they do not believe what he says. I personally don’t know you and won’t judge you but I feel you do not have the right to say we’re fools because the Bible tells you so. Get a life
@@jod35. I’m not judging you just commenting what Gods word says bro. Nothing, but love for you man. I don’t want you to go to the lake of fire. I pray for you nearly everyday even though you don’t know me 💜 🙏
The properties of a tri-omni god aren't actually present in the bible, when you actually read it. Yahweh is frequently unknowing, lacking foresight and lacking love, patience and forgiveness. He's brash, egotistical, vindictive and sometimes just plain ignorant at times. in fact, there's times when he doesn't even seem to understand how humans work or what they value. The claims of these supposed tri-omni traits came later as believers came up with whatever excuses and claims they could dish out to sell him over other competing gods of the time, while also cementing yahweh's authority so that appealing to him would make one infallible by proxy. It's all just control and manipulation on the part of believers to create a god of their own personal convenience to accomplish their goals without actually having to put real work in.
Hmmm. Why say so? Isn’t Jesus God according to Christianity? Are you trying to say I wasn’t Christian? I was. And I am going to discuss this further when talking about God’s hiddenness.
@@jod35. God is not hidden. He has revealed Himself to us through His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ. "God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had [c]by Himself [d]purged [e]our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high," (Hebrews 1:1-3) l will await your comment reply.
I could give you a Million reasons why Christianity is False and Not what Jesus Even wanted to start. But what about the fact of how gays are treated in Uganda because of religion? All my love to you From Germany.
I am a christian and I really like the questions you have raised. It is because I thought about them as well and I want to know the answers. There is much I would like to say 1. But first of all I have to say that these questions are not some new news. Bible deals with them from the beginning until the end. I would even say it is a reason we have the Bible. Bible authors were not people who blindly walked and did not ask any question. Examples: Genesis - Kain and Abel, Noahs ark, Babylon, slavery, wars, etc., Job, Ecclesiastes, Habakkuk chapter 1, etc. Basically every book of the Bible talks about evil. a/ How did God judge evil? - like on a single story there is so much to show, but for me, it is the best to go to the beginning Genesis 3 - the fall of Adam and Eve - cursed Genesis 4 - Kain and Abel - cursed, Kain has a mark for anyone not to kill him even though he killed first Genesis 6 - Noahs ark - people were so wicked that judgemnt was death, saved is only Noah by his righteousness and faith Genesis 8 - Gods will to never kill all living things again Genesis 9 - if anyone kills a man, he should be also killed, because man was formed by God on His image Genesis 11 - Babylonian tower, Lord scattered them, because they did not fulfill his word to fulfill the earth -> and many more, like literally whole Bible is about evil and good and God telling people to do good, when they do not, they are judged, when they repent they can be forgiven, God calls us to forgive others as He forgave us, He did not condemn us right away after 1 sin, but had mercy and gives us eternal life through faith and obedience (another example is Sodoma and Gomorah, where Lot and his family escapes and God does not want to destroy anyone who is righteouss and faithful to God, but the ungodly and wicked) b/ Is God evil? - Imo No. - why? simple answer is because the Bible says so: Psalm 34:8, Psalm 145:9, Nahum 1:7, James 1:13, James 1:17, 1 John 1:5, Romans 8:28, etc. - when my child steals something, am I inheritly evil because it is my child? No. I would be evil if I told the child to steal. But if I tell my child to not steal and be good, but my child steals, whos fault is that? Not the childs? Should I force the child at all cost, at the cost of its life, to not steal? - why do we have courts? Why do we have judges? If there is a criminal, why do we judge him? Because he has commited a crime, he had a choice, to commit and not to commit evil. He chose evil. That is why there is judgement and punishment. - I do not like how sometimes atheists oversimplify moral law and judgement, because there is much to talk about and many different perspectives, especially when you consider love, mercy, compassion 2. Why is there hunger, natural forces, etc.? a/ Hunger - first of all I would channelenge you to go again to the beginning and tell me that it is Gods fault that people are hungry today - God told Adam and Eve that He gives them every tree bearing fruit to eat from, clearly they have had enough, but they were supposed to take good care of the garden, so are you sure people are nowdays starving because God did not provide for them or can it be possible that people did not take good care of the earth God gave them to take care? -> imagine a situation, I do not work, I just sleep all day long, even though I am healthy, but I am just lazy, imagine Adam was like that, that Adam was too lazdy to even go grab a fruit from a tree. Would it be Gods fault that Adam was hungry laying on a grass and not picking the apple from a tree? Did God not create men to work and then eat? b/natural forces - it is pretty clear that at least sometimes it was a way of Gods judgement on people - but again, it is also about how we take care of earth, lets just look at one factor and that is deforestation, so when it rains, trees take good care of the rainfall, but I have seen many examples, where humans cut the trees, planted there some seeds, and when rain came, the water had nowhere to settle, but just flew lower and floods came + same goes to hot weathers, where forest keeps lower temperature, etc. 3. If I was god how would I make a world a better place? - I would take care of it exactly as God does right now Why? - because if I became God, and being all knowing and everything He is, from the beginning of time, I would imo see that His/my plan was the best and I actually like some explanations: a/ If God were to destroy evil, He would have to destroy us - one thing I have realized from the Bible is that God is patient and He does not want anyone to perish but to repent - Ezekiel 18:30, Ezekiel 33:11, 2 Peter 3:9 - Genesis 15:16 - God waited for Amorites to repent, they did not, thats when God sent Izrael to destroy them - Jonah, God sent His servant Jonah to preach to Ninive, they believed, repented, God forgave them their sins, if it were you judging, you might have destroyed them years before this moment, but IMO it is Gods love and mercy that waits I could write more, but I am tired :D What do you think? God says to Habakkuk: "Look among the nations, and see; wonder and be astounded. For I am doing a work in your days that you would not believe if told."
Thank you for such a detailed comment and an interesting insight into the believer's mind. I don't know if you believe in evolution, I do. The point on hunger and death by starvation was particularly interesting too me. The gene Homo Sapiens is 200 000 years old, the vast majority of this time people lived in hunter-gathering communities without scripture or agriculture. Agriculture and first fixed settlements are only 12 000 years old. Current scientific estimates say that approximately 110 billion people lived on this planet. The overwhelming majority of these people lived a life of misery, fear, disease and grief. The earlier humans didn't even know agriculture, they couldn't tend the garden. All these people lived in almost constant hunger, they were dying young and losing their loved ones all the time. Every family was bound to lose at least one child to starvation, parasites, preditors, decease, elements or unclean water. Have you ever met a parent who lost their child? They are the ghosts of themselves with nothing but pain in the inside. These people quite often where pagans, and we know God of the bible hates pagans, but he didn't reveal himself early on and they didn't know any better. I wonder what happened to these 100 billion souls if you believe in souls, they lived a very short and extremely miserable life and if we follow the bible it's quite likely that these people are not saved. So I obviously wonder why an all loving God would create souls to live a short period of torture on Earth to than proceed to be tortured forever in hell. Why create humans at all if he hates us so much?
@@ВоробьёваАлиса-я4э Good quesiton 1. First of all I would like to say that I do not believe that God hates his creation. I would compare it again to parent child relationship. A good parent loves his child, takes care of him, feeds him, teaches him. But if the child misbehaves, you try to explain what is right, from what is wrong. If the child misbehaves you punish it, not because you hate you child, but because you love him. You do not want for you child to become abuser, criminal, etc. You want him to have a good future. But what is enough? When would you say to your child that enough is enough, you have made a terrible act of evil, for a long time, you have to be accountable. And remember God is God of all people, not just my child, but also to the child, which my child abused for example. Would a loving and just God not punish the one who abused another human being? If He did not, then imo that would look like He does not love that child which was abused. If you would like to read passages from the Bible where it says that God wants all nations to be saved, in the OT and NT and also that God punishes wicked men who are Izraelites in the OT, then you can read: Isaiah 19:25 - Egypt, Asyria, Izrael Jonah - Ninive Daniel - Babylon, especially king Nebukadneccar whom God humbled and he believed in the God of Daniel Gods judgement on Izrael: Hosea 4:1-3, Amos 2:4, Ezekiel 5:7-8, Jeremiah 25:8-9, ... Just thinking about it: in the beginning there was no Izrael. All people were His people. The issue was, that people turned away from God and they followed their wicked ways. Therefore God chose Abraham, because He was rightoues and followed God. 2. I do not believe in eternal hell torture and I do not know how precisely God will those who did not hear about Him as we do nowdays. It is justa question we are not given an answer in the Bible, as far as I am aware. But just interesting thing to think about is f.e. this text: Deuteronomy 1:39 - here Moses tells Izraelites that those young children whose fault was not that their parents were disobidient towards God, were not judged, and they could enter the promised land - another example comes to my mind: Matthew 11:23-24 -> Here Jesus tells Izraelites that it will be easier for Sodoma on the day of judgement than for them, this tells me that God gives different punishment and He acknowledges everything : Revelation 22:12 3. Question about evolution is a huge one. I personally do not believe in elovution. I know christians that do. But as you have pointed out, evolution shows Gods character to be really cruel, because of the suffering and nonlogical because of the sacrifice of Jesus, He died so we could live, therefore if death did not enter the world through sin, then I do not know why I should be saved from something that was already created. From my perspective evolution does not align with Bible. There are christians that might say something else so I will not speak for them. But for me I do not believe that we as a human race can be 100% sure about evolution taking place as we say.
The bible is a collection of stories, written in the bronze age, by people who lacked any knowledge of science. You, however have no excuse for believing such supernatural, superstitious nonsense.
All gods are invented. All religions are superstitions of one kind or another that require ghosts to exist. No ghosts ever show up to any debates to defend any religions. Nobody has any miracles to show, but only hearsay about witnesses that were written about, and not actual witnesses with supporting evidence. It's almost like people can write and say anything they like and will write and say the absurdist things and will make up stories to fit what they want people to think. Imagine that. No ghosts? No reality to gods.
So what was the point of drowning pregnant woman , babies and animals in a flood if it did not rid the world of evil ? Also why did god except the sacrifice of his (own child ) to pay the price of sin ..when sin and evil still exist 2000 years later ??
See, you're using words like "unnecessary." That imports a lot of presumptions and assumed things. To be "necessary" something must have a goal and certain rules to apply by. Both are necessary for the word "necessary." You are importing a false goal for God by presuming a logical dilemma that doesn't actually exist. All God needs to justify evil and remain all powerful and all loving, is simply to have a morally justified and valid reason for it. God's love is not God's only attribute-so God is capable of both desiring the best for all things and still allowing that goal to fail for higher and more important reasons, a goal that is more morally important than love-that reason is God's attribute of glorious worth.
Okay, @Dizemer - but can we have specific examples of how that works? Or in times of sectarian war, privileged policy makers, theologians, church and national leaders... or of somewhat persecutory bodies, and policies? Also, how long is a slave trade to go on for - relative to one man gathering firewood, on a Sabbath? Or in terms of relative... severity.
@@Dizerner Your comment is the exact textbook example of giving excuses for god why it's so indifferent, cold and couldn't be bothered to care. The other reason is god simply doesn't exist. You go figure out which one is more likely or why such a god is deserving of endless praise and worship if he does
@@johnmonk3381 There is such a thing as both valid and invalid excuses. An "excuse" by itself is not necessarily invalid. For example, if I get in a car wreck, that is a valid excuse for not making it in to work on time. If I am just sleeping late, that is an invalid excuse. When you claim and speak of "likelihood" you are dealing with probabilities. By nature, probabilities are not certainties, so you cannot so for certain either way. But to make accurate probabilities you need more information than you currently have.
Christian here, I don't see this as a problem but perhaps you would like to engage in some friendly dialogue. My first thought is that sure we could think of a better world, but I wouldn't count on it being a world that is possible to bring into existence. I think I would also put forward that this is not the end. In fact, this is not even the beginning. Eternal life will be a fair bit longer than the average human life. Jesus also says "I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world." He promises those who mourn, that theirs is the kingdom. Will leave it at that for now so there isn't too much to respond too. God bless you brother.
@@jod35. As sure as someone without a personal experience can be. I've never seen Jesus with my own eyes but I'm convinced for many reasons. And I think theology is absolutely relevant since it gives reasoning. If you are to permit the idea of the God of Christianity you must permit who Christianity says this God is. Otherwise who are we talking about? it just becomes a generic God which I could make up my own reasoning for, and vice versa.
@@lbjay8914 Is Islam true? I hear the Muslims are told it is? Are Mormons believing truth? All I am requesting for is an answer in reality. Prove that there is an after life without having to rely on what any religious text says
@@jod35. Brother, you're evading the topic. The whole conversation was about the problem of evil. and I came with a Christian perspective which has it's own answers to this question. You cannot criticize Christianity without talking about Christianity. If you want to debate a generic theist I'm obviously not the person to be talking to. But you brought the problem of evil up as an argument against Christianity. Regarding "proof", just like you can't prove that your friend isn't going to stab you tomorrow, or that anyone other than yourself truly exists and that this isn't some sort of simulation, we must look at the evidence. You want evidence let's talk evidence, but let's not kid ourselves that we can prove absolutely anything without a doubt. So with that being said I would argue for the reliability of the gospels, then the likelihood of the resurrection. If you'd like to discuss that then let me know, otherwise I'm happy to continue talking about the problem of evil.
@@jod35. I would also add if scholars can't agree on a conclusion I see no reason two underqualified people could come to some sort of conclusion in a youtube comment section. Which is why I never brought up the reliability of the New Testament. But instead simply offered up reasoning for the problem of evil from a Christian perspective.
The problem of evil doesn't disprove god, rather it proves God. The argument you are making is the emotional part, not the intellectual part. Once you move to the intellectual part, you'll know that it falls short. For you to say something is "Evil," you must first define what's evil and prove that God can't exist where there's evil. That's impossible. Btw, learned Atheists have stopped using the problem of evil. I'd suggest you follow Atheists like Alex Connor or unsolicited advice to get better argument
My job is not at all to disprove gods. I am sharing what made me an atheist. What made me doubt the existence of gods. Honestly to me, the problem of evil is a huge problem.
@@jod35. And the problem of evil doesn't disprove God, neither is it a huge problem that haven't been answered. And Atheists who are learned have stopped using the problem of evil because it's self refuting. And I wasn't asking you to disprove God, rather asking you to show that God can't exist there's evil. You'd have to define what's evil. The fact you are even saying there's evil means you're appealing to a Morality outside you to make that statement. Reason Atheists have stopped using the argument. Go and make your research.
@@pascalonyango2427 When you say God allows evil, you are presupposing that there's a thing called objective evil, from a materialist worldview. Now let me ask, what is Evil??
I honestly don’t think so. This is because I got so exposed to apologetics that told us to not be Muslims. And please, I don’t say this to say Muslims are bad people. They’re good . It’s only what they believe. That’s what I’m not really convinced to believe in.
@@OceanusHelios The truth about the reality of this universe and our origins. Bro do your research and dont assume things, rest is up to you. Fun fact Islam is the fastest growing religion of the world, doesnt seem to be dying.
Be careful not to hastily jump to positions in your philosophical journey. During my time studying, Christianity does not give a reason to why there is suffering, even in the book of Job. The moral of the story in Job is that the ways of God far surpass that of humans. Instead we must trust in God even with our lack of knowledge. Now we can be skeptical of this. Should we just put blind faith in God when it obviously looks like there should be no suffering at all? There is an indirect answer to this, the life of Jesus Christ. God Himself experienced the suffering and evils of life. He was tortured and beaten experiencing excruciating pain, but in the end all evil and suffering will be defeated. Now the answer to the problem of suffering and evil is not directly available to us, but under Christianity God Himself suffered with us and is leading humanity to overcome it.
While I appreciate the significance of Jesus' suffering, I still find it difficult to understand why an all-powerful, all-loving God would create a world where suffering exists at all, especially when it seems avoidable.
Bro you seem lost and like you don’t know what direction to go to. I’m a Christian myself and if you don’t want to be a Christian that’s cool no one is forcing it on you but man I just hope you find truth in Jesus and stop listening to all these people in the comments and make the decision yourself
I appreciate your concern, but I’m not lost. The decision to leave Christianity was mine, and I made it after a lot of reflection and study. It wasn’t influenced by anyone else or the comments here. I understand that Christianity provides comfort and answers for many, but for me, after considering the history and examining my faith, I found that it didn’t align with what I could believe anymore. I respect that your path led you to Jesus, but mine has led me in a different direction. Finding my own truth was exactly what I did.
Bro you seem like a gaslighter. Maybe you should just stick to preaching to the people in your church. Seems like He has found himself. He doesn't have to lose himself to your superstition.
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Yes, I understand that it is a weak argument and reason as many Christians have many apologetics. I share how it led me to start doubting the nature of God as described as all knowing, all good and all powerful.
It's not a weak argument, it's the apologetics that are weak
@@Stinky97000 If there is no God then evil does not exist. It definitely is a weak argument considering you now don't have any objective standard to judge evil by. So in that case God cannot allow or be evil since it does not exist.
@raiova8550 , morals are value judgments and therefore cannot be objective. What you mean is you believe that your god is the arbiter of morality. That would still be his opinion. Plus, others claim that it's their god dictates morality. Even people that worship the same god as you can't agree on morality.
Question. Why does your god torture billions of children?
@@Stinky97000 Like i said, if God exists then it is a fact that objective morality exist because He would be the objective moral standard.
Then it is not my opinion but a fact i would have to live with wether i like it or not.
I don't see any christians disagreeing on what is moral and what is not. The bible is clear.
God doesn't torture children, we do. Learn to take responsibility.
Question. Even if God would somehow torture billions of babies why is that evil? When according to you we are all accidents.
Does this mean that killing children is okay?
Rwandan atheist here 👋🏽 am excited for this channel. Great Job you speak with such calm and it’s a good skill to possess in these kinds of talks. A skill i wish i had 😂 great job
I try. At first I wanted to come with the same energy that Christians use when talking to atheists, then I realized how important it is for us to have meaningful discussions.
@@jod35. i hear you my brother, you risk them using ur temperament against you. But you are on the right path for good conversations i look forward to where this will go, good luck.
I'm a Nigerian religious skeptic/unbeliever/atheist. I'm proud of you. I hope to visit Rwanda in a few months time.
@@lubemgwar6280 Thanks for watching
The problem of evil is extremely difficult to get around. I like thinking about it.
It's really easy for an atheist, it's just a word.
It's really easy if you believe in an evil god - s/he enjoys the suffering.
It's impossible if you believe in a tri-omni god, but apologists will keep pretending for clicks and $$$s.
@@ziploc2000 i do not understand this way of thinking.
No God = life is suffering with a pointless end. God = Suffering with purpose, where the end is just the beginning.
I didnt put much thought into it when i was younger but only when i realized how much evil is in the world, did i come to this conclusion Its not impossible if you believe in a good God. Why would a good God mean its impossible to understand evil?
Good for you! Logic will set you free.
Thanks for watching
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I’d like to clarify that I’m from Africa. Non of your American hatred hurts me.
Here's a troll thinking he can use Inspiring Philosophy to debunk anything. No wonder the video is age restricted.
Thank you brother. I am from Namibia and very happy to have such awesome videos of people who have doubt and skepticism as tools for critical thinking.
So nice of you
I really enjoyed this video!
I was never a Christian, but I do like hearing how people are falling away from the religion. It helps me to better understand the religion as a whole, and to understand the situation we now find ourselves in here in America.
Congratulations for your bravery and your transparency.
You have a new subscriber.
Thanks for watching
It's definitely a valid personal reason. The reason why I don't talk much about it with Christian friends/family is because there are infinite excuses that can be made for evil. It's always "we will never be able to understand why, and only this god character with his infinite wisdom knows why this is necessary for good to prevail". Ultimately, his plan is good by default simply because he's god, even when his plan was killing newborn babies. Not a morality that I'm okay with.
Thanks for an awesome video. I am an atheist from Namibia and really enjoyed it.
Just want to put in that I like the way you put in the corrections for places where you caught a mistake. This level of honesty isn't, but should be, the standard.
Thank you for posting. I hope your channel grows. Love and kindness from a fellow atheist in South Carolina USA. ❤
Love from Uganda 🇺🇬
My comment keeps getting nommed. Apparently I'm being too spicy so I'll just say this is a good video!
Good job, from a fellow anti-theist and humanist.
YT has a bug and sometimes if you sort by newest you can see it. 7 years I reported it like 200 times, they dont care.
Well put brother, these are the same issues i have with theism and hearing it from you just drives the nail home
Good reasoning like this always restores a little bit of hope for the future of humanity for me, thank you 🥰
I’m glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching
What hope is there in atheism? Its the number reason why everything is becoming immoral.
@@WhyAreWe_Here What thope is there is your lack of belief that you'll win 100 million in the lottery next week? It's the number one reason for everyone becoming dishonest fraudsters who rip off everyone tgullible enough to fall for their scams, so obviously, even if you aren't someone who scams little old ladies out of their pensions, you will be since you don't believe that you'll win the lottery nxt week! You _must_ believe in that lottery money if you don't want to become such a despicable excuse of a human being!
@@WhyAreWe_Here Hi, I hope you typed this being 100% honest. As a former believer, I will tell you that I saw many religious believers do bad things that you would consider immoral. And at all times, the only excuse would be to ask God for forgiveness, It is better to be good without fear to be punished
@@jod35. Yes it is how i feel from my own observation and research.
Doesnt religion say we are all sinful? So why would you assume or grow cold to God when you see religious people who are bad?
I would never say there is no God because of peoples actions in this world. I also wouldnt believe in God just because of fear but through respect and love for creating everything we take for granted.
People striving to do good through the teaching of God is how the Christian culture shaped the western world. Atheism leaves everything open to individual interpretation and as a result will lead to chaos in the long run.
We already have people giving up life because of hopelessness and despair, young people literally walk in to centres to die and they get assistance in doing so. This is evil, women aborting pregnancies especially late term are also evil.
These things are from atheist belief systems and lacks morals guidance.
Atheism will have you questioning your existence, coming to the conclusion that it is pointless, a life without hope, only living to fulfil our own desires that you always seem to grow tired of. This seems very lonely and empty to me.
Why exist at all? after all when we are dead, it will be as if we never existed, so why would it matter that we existed at all?
This seems pointless to me and it does not make sense when asked why do we exist?
Anyway i think the evil in this world is terrible but that doesnt change how view on God because if there is life after death then God wouldnt see death as such a terrible end. We do though because we cannot comprehend existence after death unless you truly believe. So what we see as suffering, isnt suffering in the long run is there is a God. If there is no God then life is nothing but suffering.
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Good job man
Thanks for watching
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on theodicy. I agree with everything you said here. Good luck on your journey of enlightenment and inquiry!
Thank you so much!
I just found you and subscribed. Welcome to the default position. We are all born as atheists.
@OceanusHelios
You say :
Welcome to the default position. We are all born as atheists.
When we are all born not being able to talk does that mean we do not have the capacity to talk and we only begin to communicate in intelligible spoken language because we are taught by others and without being taught then none of us would communicate in words.
I believe some would just grunt for the rest of their lives in total ignorance like Atheists do when it comes to communicating with their creator. While others would seek to speak and find out how to communicate in real terms.
We all have the capacity to know that there is a spiritual dimension to us and some ignore it and suppress it while others seek it and find it's origin.
@@disproveofthisthere is no evidence for a spiritual world, spirits or souls
@@pascalonyango2427 There was no evidence of America until someone looked and searched for something out of what was known. When you search like many do then you will find evidence. Many said at one time the earth was flat and there no evidence at the time to prove otherwise. If you had walked in my shoes for the past 60 years you would know that there is more personal experienced evidence for a spiritual world, spirits and souls than there is for Joe Biden being president of the United States.
@@disproveofthis "We all have the capacity to know that there is a spiritual dimension to us and some ignore it and suppress it while others seek it and find it's origin." Shame that despite everyone supposedly having that capacity, zero people actually know there is a spiritual dimension or anything spiritual outside of liquor.
Make mine a schnapps.
(Knowledge is _justified true belief_ and there's no justified true beliefs about "spiritual".. in fact, I've never found anyone who could coherently define that crap.)
did anyone here read the book of job
As an atheist, the story of Job brings up hard questions about suffering and fairness. In the story, Job, who is a good person, goes through terrible pain because God and Satan make a bet. This seems unfair to me because Job's suffering doesn’t seem to have a good reason behind it. It paints a picture of a God who allows innocent people to suffer to prove a point, which doesn’t match the idea of a loving and just God. Since I don’t believe in a higher power, the story of Job feels more like an example of how life can be random and cruel rather than a lesson about why suffering happens.
Keep watching the Richard Dawkins , Christopher Hitchens ,Neil Degrass Tyson, George Carlin, Aron Ra , Mat Dillahunty ,Sam Harris , Richard Kraus and Ricky Gervais videos about religion . They make the case for atheism almost bulletproof .
Matt Dillahunty
Matt is really good. I watched him for the very first time and thought to myself, is what I’m believing true?
If god is all powerful, all knowing and all good. Then we are in the wrong universe. If me and you can imagine a better world, what about an all knowing god. If you were god wld you create the same exact world or wld you make changes and if you would then why hasn’t god done anything.
@GHOSTndMACHINZ A bit like this one you mean.
A New Heaven and a New Earth
REVELATION 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
@GHOSTndMACHINZ
Your ignorance to what Christians actually believe is astounding.
I bet you are one of those people who buy something and moan that if you had designed it then it would do certain things that it clearly does not do and then say oh i just read the instructions and it actually does do what i moaned about it not doing!
God does not imagine a world different to this he proclaims that indeed he will do it !!!
Revelation 21
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Do you actually know anything about what you ramble on about regarding GOD !!!!
There is actually a perfect kill-shot argument for all religions. The argument is prayer. Prayer is something that can actually be scientifically tested. Each time prayer has been tested, it has never been shown to make a measurable difference in recovery rates. In fact, multiple studies have demonstrated that more secular societies have better health outcomes across the board. Researchers have discovered that most people pray for peace, health, and stability. However, according to available data, many highly religious societies often exhibit higher crime rates, shorter life expectancies, and a greater likelihood of experiencing poverty. Why would a loving god ever allow this to be the case? Why does the universe that God created seem to reward people who explore secular sciences under secular institutions?
Your data is completely untrue.
@@arbitScaleModels It's not "my data". It's the data.
It's a complete argument against the specific god claim many Christians make, rather than an argument against all god claims. Perfectly fine for addressing the actually good, actually powerful being they say is real.
To address it, they have to say God isn't good or God isn't that powerful or God is both not good and not that powerful. In other words, they have to agree with you.
@archapmangcmg
(To address it, they have to say God isn't good or God isn't that powerful or God is both not good and not that powerful. In other words, they have to agree with you.
Totally strawman argument.
You miss out the real point altogether. It is not about God being just Good ----- he will show that at the end when he judges the evil. God is all powerful -- he will show that at the end when he does it.
Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
REVELATION 20/The Judgment of the Dead
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
As i said:
Good - not allow evil to go unpunished
Powerful -- no one will stand before him on that day.
Good because instead of judgement of Hell being a done deal he gives you a choice.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
He paid the penalty for you but you just have to accept and change your attitude which the bible refers to as Repentance.
@@disproveofthis That's not good. Thanks for proving my point.
Good would be preventing evil and suffering where you can.
Instead, your god rewards murderers and worse while being evil towards ordinary innocent people.
And if he's all-powerful, he can show his power right this second by presenting convincing evidence that he exists and without violating anyone's free will etc. He'd have _that power_ if he has _all power_
@@archapmangcmg do you think that him showing his power would be jumping to you telling him what he should and shouldn't do. Because if you can tell a supreme ruler of the universe what to do then where would there be any evidence of him being God. That evidence would point to you being God. It is a stupid straw man argument. You moan that he lets evil go unpunished. Then you moan that he punishes evil you moan that he is not good because if he does not punish evil when you command him to then you moan when he shows his power and authority by NOT JUMPING TO YOUR COMMAND Grow up end of discussion. Go and do the dishes or something will you.
You miss the target the target seven times out of ten ,but the three times you hit the target god gets the glory
This is not a weak argument.
Where is god in gazza?
I asked my mother this question. I did not get an answer
The "free will" argument completely falls apart with natural disasters. Wars are caused by violent humans, but natural disasters are caused by forces that literally don't know what they're doing. God could easily save lives from natural disasters without violating anybody's free will. So why doesn't he?
You raise a good point, and it's one of the big questions I struggled with myself. If the free will argument is meant to explain human-caused suffering, it doesn’t seem to apply to natural disasters, which aren’t the result of anyone’s choices. It’s hard to understand why an all-powerful, loving God wouldn’t intervene to prevent those kinds of tragedies, especially since doing so wouldn’t violate anyone’s free will. It’s questions like this that made me reconsider my faith and seek answers outside of religion. Ultimately, I couldn’t find a satisfying explanation for why so much suffering exists in a world supposedly governed by a benevolent God.
@@jod35.
You say:
It’s hard to understand why an all-powerful, loving God wouldn’t intervene to prevent those kinds of tragedies, especially since doing so wouldn’t violate anyone’s free will. It’s questions like this that made me reconsider my faith.
Really these questions are Christianity 101. I don't know what sort of church you were brought up in but those i seek to disciple can answer these questions in a couple of weeks as they are just so basic.
I hope in the end that you stop making excuses as i believe thare are many things you are not sharing and if i got the chance to speak to those close to you they would give a different account of why you say you doubt.
@@disproveofthisthen what is the answer to that question?
@@pascalonyango2427 The answer i have already given.
When you search like many do then you will find evidence.
That is the answer don't expect others to do your homework for you!
@@disproveofthis I've searched enough and not found a good compelling evidence
Maybe what you found only works by faith. You can share it
Knock knock
Me: who is it?
Jc: It's jesus. Let me in to save you
Me:save me from what?
Jc: save you from what I will do to you for not letting me In
Apparently, Jesus doesn’t love people who have good reason to believe in him. And that’s why you guys have to bring up hell every time someone just tells you about how they are not convinced of the existence of your God. how would God feel if he found out that you only love him because you are afraid of hell?
@@jod35. was the comment for me mate? I'm an atheist.
@@RyanJones-ew8vm sounded like one of the offensive Christians. I hate when they bring up he’ll
@jod35. no mate. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous the religious are.
@@RyanJones-ew8vm sorry. I thought you were one of our theist friends
if you are an Atheist, what makes you say deases are bad, nutural calamnities are bad, from what standing point do you base yourself from
Through experience, I can know that disease is bad. And through empathy I can feel bad for those who lose their lives in such, empathy and personal experiences play a role in my judgement. I don’t need your standard to know it’s bad to rape or murder someone
I have four questions for atheists.
1. Atoms are the smallest building block of life itself. Who made atoms?
2. Scientists, Engineers, Mathematicians & Archaeologists have discovered that math is a very complex language used to prove the existence of God. Do you agree or Disagree?
3. If you don’t believe in God, or anything, what makes up your worldview and what is your thoughts on morality?
4. You can get nothing from something, but you can’t get something from nothing. Do you agree or disagree?
While we don’t claim to have all the answers, that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion that God created atoms.
It’s important to consider how mathematical principles can be applied to various concepts, but proving God using math is a complex and subjective matter.
I sense some condescension in this conversation. We all hold beliefs for different reasons-some based on personal experiences, others on observable facts. When it comes to morality, we can rely on empathy and the impact our actions have on others, which can evolve as we grow and learn.
I do not wish to have my morals come from God. On many occasions he commands people to do wrong. He observes rapists, murderers and many others do what they do without doing anything.
Christian apologists: If God solved all our problems, we wouldn't grow up. We need to learn to support ourselves.
Also Christian apologists: We will never understand the complexities of God's perfect design. We will always be children to him.
Well, which is it?
That’s a good point. Some apologists say that suffering helps us 'grow up' and learn to handle things on our own. But then they also say we’ll always be like children to God and can’t understand His plan. It feels confusing-are we supposed to become independent, or are we always dependent on God’s plan? It seems like they use whichever explanation fits the moment, without really answering the question.
@nonwoke Do you have any idea how many Christians die of preventable diseases because they genuinely believe that prayer will save them instead of medicine, so they stop taking medicine? I may not believe in Jesus, but lots of people do, and their faith is still not rewarded. There are countless news articles that say something to the effect of, "Christian dies of preventable disease. His/her last words were, 'Doctor Jesus will cure me.'"
@nonwokeI suppose I never really fit the mold of a 'True Scotsman.' It's such a flawed way to dismiss someone from a discussion. Faith isn't a reliable way to understand beliefs that shape important life decisions-like how to treat others, who to marry, or how to raise children.
u can still grow up and be a child.. just think about ur parents and grandparents GP will always see ur parent as their child
@addictedtonotsmoking2893
I think the problem lies with the fact that you are immature as a person.
Go through that one again and instead of thinking about God in the question and perspective. Put every parent and their own children there instead.I think the problem lies with the fact that you are immature as a person.
Go through that one again and instead of thinking about God in the question and perspective. Put every parent and their own children there instead.
How old are you as i think most of what you are going through every child goes through when their parents tell them they can't go out because they need to clean their room and put their dirty clothes in the basket.
God IS all good and all powerful. Doesn't mean he'll intervene in your life so you won't suffer and die. Natural disasters are part of living. How do we respond to them? Do we do everything we can to help, or do we ignore them because they're not happening to us? How would you like to have been born a worm, a tick, a mole, an ameba or a maggot? Against all odds you're a person. You're made in the image and likeness of God. This is a tough life. We live in a valley of tears and suffering. But it's worth it. On the other side is eternal happiness. Don't judge God, lest you be judged.
On multiple occasions we see how he contradicts these
@@jod35. No we don't and he doesn't. Everything God does is consistent. The last on Earth will be first in Heaven, as in the critically ill and incapacitated. Many of the first on Earth will be last in Heaven. He leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one stray. He gave his life for us, suffering more than anyone. “But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed” Don't judge God, endure the trials, suffering, and temptations of this world.
yes, i arrived at the "atheism point" some 7 years ago. but it doesn't change much after that, at least for me. "now what?" there is no objective morality, no good and evil. things just are. as time goes by you realize the "is vs ought" has no solution, neither is universe supposed to provide one. it is kind of depressing when you start to think of insignificance, so the only thing you can do to keep yourself out of depression is to just not think about philosophy at all. because you quickly realize there are no actual values in life. luckily, i don't have much problems with simply ignoring the futility of my existence unlike some of people i know. i put my mind to work on other stuff - like coding :)
I’m also a software engineer. I don’t think of life as an empty experience though. I feel that the very finite time we have here is one we can use to make others happy and help them. That’s what purpose is to me. More about how I can help others.
So what is the atheists positions on evil, suffering, and death? I'm curious.
Atheists tend to see evil, suffering, and death as integral parts of the human experience, shaped by our social interactions and natural instincts rather than by a divine hand. They often grapple with the problem of evil, questioning how a loving God could allow so much suffering in the world. When it comes to death, many view it as a natural conclusion to life, focusing instead on creating meaning through relationships and making a positive impact while they’re here. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of empathy and human connection in navigating moral dilemmas and alleviating suffering, finding purpose in our shared humanity.
So do atheists believe murder, incest, adultery, rape, and lying are wrong?
A major problem is very few people don't know Hebrew or Arabic so they don't know the biblical, talmudic, and koranic writers were henopseudotheists which means they adored only "yhwh"/"jhvh"/"ba'al"/"al'lah" but believed in 359 other pseudodeities.
If you came to that conclusion then you are deeply misinformed
The only answer I can come up with (and it's not a good one) is that we are supposed to be Gods hands to help the people we come across in life. Do you have a Patrion account?
I will create one at the right time.
We have a “right” to be confused by evil and suffering. It is very,very difficult to come to terms with this issue, on both sides.
For example, it is possible to assume God Exists by the fine-tuning of the Universe, the complexity of life and many other features of Intelligent Design.
But that does NOT cover the issue of suffering and evil. There are apologetics that attempt to deal with that conundrum.
But to a great many of us, those apologetics fail the “reasonability”test.
God must do MORE to enable us to understand this. We have a right to be “confused.”
My wife is a Holocaust atheist. If Jesus wants to minister to her soul and ease her pain, it is up to HIM to do this. It is not HER responsibility or obligation.
As an atheist, I understand how hard it is to deal with the problem of suffering and evil, especially when thinking about a loving God. Many explanations try to solve this, but for those of us who don’t believe, they don’t really answer the question. The pain and trauma, especially from things like the Holocaust, make it hard to see how a kind God could allow such suffering.
@@jod35. Thanks for your reply. In a very strange way, perhaps Christianity “defines” an honest attempt to deal with pain and suffering. The suffering of Jesus is at least “honestly” portrayed.
It is quite strange for a religion that aggressively desires converts to have its very center point on the worst suffering imaginable.
I admit I don’t understand it either. But at least it is “honest.” It is certainly peculiar.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I like that, "Apologists are a bunch of excuse makers for god," lol.
It's not even "why doesn't god intervene"
It's "why did got choose it to be this way."
If there is a All knowing, All powerful god, that created everything and knows everything, then he designed everything to be a certain way, even free will doesn't make sense, because he knows every single person's future for all of existence even before creating the first human, meaning any tiny decision he made, can lead to a butterfly effect of evil or suffering, ultimately makes him the creator of said evil and suffering and not the "free will" of humans.
Like how is creating heaven with a tree that you should not eat from, a snake that lures people into eating from it, then creates humans, and somehow is baffled and angry that the humans he created ate from it? As if he didn't exactly know what was going to happen, and then punishes humans for it. Like why have the whole ritual, just make women have periods and painful childbirth (and men work a lot i guess) from the start, if you already knew that was going to happen, there was no free will involved.
For me it's not that god allows evil it's that he commands it
Numbers 31:1718
Not good not love.
Oh and the Problem of Evil is a good argument against worship or praise of any gods. No god worth praise would permit this.
Listened carefully. I’m interested in discussions about the point dealt . Thank you.
I’m in the deconstruction mode, as everyone is. Seriously thinking about the teachings of Jesus Christ, the MESsiah. I believe in HIM, and believe that HIS teachings are relevant today.
Creator God hides and leaves the creature to assume.
About Stating and affirming the existence of GOD, Jesus stated “even SATan knows that God exists”.
The FAITH in God is different from proving the existence of God.
All Religions (churches and establishments) are rationalistic (Atheistic), as they depend on RITuals rather than FAITH.
RATIONALITY (the foundation of Atheism) is religious, as RITuals (SOPs, systems etc are modern day RITuals) are the foundation of rationalism also.
RAtionality and FAITH are in conflict in the minds of every individual Psyche.
Bible deals with this conflict from Genesis to Revelation.
SATan advises the Psyche to eat fruit of the tree of knowledge and become like God, (fruit forbidden by God).
We need to deconstruct the names and words to have a clearer idea.
Jesus Christ was not a Christian, nor did he intend to create the religion of Christianity (churches).
Jesus preached FAITH and invites rationally MAtured, SMArt Psyches to abandon the MAturity and be BORN AGAIN, and regain the FAITH of the newborn Psyche. He emphasises the importance of FAITH in the statement “ unless Born Again NONE can see the Kingdom of God/ HEAVEN.”
The FAITH of the newborn Psyche Jesus emphasised again “FAITH of the size of mustard seed can move mountain”.
We need to deconstruct every statement/ story to get a clearer picture.
Rationality?
Faith ?
God ?
SATan ?
Trees at the Centre of the garden.
Fruit. ?
Evil ?
Goodness ?
Love ?
AGAPE
SCIENCE ?
Deconstructing words, let’s start from “ SMArt “ Psyche.
We will split words into elemental sounds used create words and then attempt to understand the meanings of such monosyllabic sounds. We will take words from various languages to understand probable meanings of elemental sounds. Then attempt to combine them into find probable meanings of words.
Who am I. ? My self ! Self MAtures from the newborn Psyche (SA/ sound SA in English Self and Svayam of Indian languages) by adding knowledge (Learning/ eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge) every moment of life. Newborn self (SA) rationally MAtures by updating knowledge (MA, my knowledge) and becomes SMArt to handle the oTHer (Sound TA is found in words about something, anything , everything excluding self, across language boundaries) advantageously. SMArtness to the Psyche is provided by MA (my updated knowledge) the SATH of SATan. Sound “MA” represents the idea of everything that the self considers as mine. My knowledge, my money, my inheritance, my interactive pattern… SMArt Psyche separates “TA” from “SMA” in the thought process by “MA” (my moat, MAsk, my rational boundary) and creates duality in the universe.
I ask Christians "why does your god torture billions of children?"
The apologetics are sad.
I understand. I think the strongest argument is divine hiddenness. I’ll talk about it later in this series
@WaywardLark I actuallly forget to think about this. Seniors suffer a lot.
And where does God torture billions of children?
Where does it state it in the bible?
Why can humans not take responsibility for what they do?
@WaywardLark What is wrong with torture if God does not exist?
How can you as an atheist decide whether anything is good or evil??
As an atheist, I decide what's good or bad based on reason, empathy, and the impact of actions on others. I don't rely on religion for morality. Instead, I think about whether an action helps or harms people. Things like fairness, kindness, and understanding guide me.
People can work together to create rules and values that allow everyone to live peacefully, without needing religious beliefs to know right from wrong.
Do you suppose that religion is necessary for civlization? Try having civics or taking a civics course. Maybe take a course on ethics and understand what being humane and ethical is. It is that simple. All societies have requirements and no human exists and can thrive without the cooperation of other human beings. You do not need any imagainary and non existent gods in order to have laws. Authority is given by the consent of the people. Always. No ordained kings are necessary. There is no sky wizard that will save your arguments from scrutiny or criticism. People are not required to give you or your religion the sole proprietorship on what is good or what is evil, no matter how loudly you assert that your magic book gives you perfect knowledge on what is good or evil. Imagine that. Imagine a bunch of fairy tales from the Bronze Age are insufficient in explaining good and evil at all.
@@jod35. But that shows me you are not a true atheist. There is nothing in the doctrines of atheism that says you should be a moral person. Under atheism it is a free-for-all where you do anything you want because there is no good or evil.
@@OceanusHelios I love this comment
@@jod35. Then you are showing me you are not a true atheist. There is nothing in the doctrines of atheism that says you should be moral. If atheism is true then it is a moral free-for-all where you can do whatever you want.
Simply, we are like any other thing or living thing like plants, insects, rocks in this huge universe 😂😂
We are clearly not the same as plants. At least there could be an argument for animals but plants lol insane.
Dude, are you Ugandan? 😄
Yes
@@jod35. nice, I thought I was the only skeptic in UG
@@the.doubting.thomas.256 You will be shocked. Many people cannot say it because they are at a risk of getting segregated
God created the universe including the good and the bad, as a test for us in our search to know Him. By its nature life is not perfect. That bliss we seek is in heaven. Pass the test, bro.
Many people have existed for many years without ever having known God. Did they pass the test? Or did they fail? I cannot think of heaven because there is nothing to prove whether it exists. This life is the only one we are sure of. But even if God exists, does he possess all qualities given to him?
@jod35. The universe can't exist without a creator. Life can't exist without a creator. It's scientifically impossible.
Just say, “I can’t imagine a world without a creator “ and therefore he exists.
@@jod35. "Just say, “I can’t imagine a world without a creator “ and therefore he exists." Yes, many billion people over history have held that view. I wouldn't consider it a scientific proof for God, but it is a type of philosophical and spiritual partial response for the "question of evil".
@@jod35. No scientist can even begin to explain how the universe and life began without a creator. There is literally no argument against the existence of a creator, because: 1) There is no scientific way that the universe is infinite, therefore it must have a definite beginning. And 2) there is no scientific way life can "spontaneously" emerge from the building blocks of the universe.
It is smarter to be an agnostic than it is an atheist. Atheism leads to chaos and despair, a world without morals where everything is subjective.
Your free will argument doesn't make sense to me, since if we are to be judged by our nature and moral choice then how would it make sense for anything to intervene? The choice would be taken away, so how could we be judged by our own choices morally? This answers your first question about evil too.
The argument for morals is that, it is not subjective but objective, because if it were subjective then anyone could do anything no matter how bad, and we should never have an issue with it, because of course, it was the right thing for them they wouldn't see it as bad. But we know this to be false.
Secondly, without evil how could you have good to appreciate? Without good there is no evil as everything would be subjective and everyone would be doing what they please without any moral obligations, again this is not what we experience. My only doubt with this would come from third world countries where their culture is different and k1ll people in the most horrendous ways like its a normal occurrence.
Morals being objective and being a part of the universe is a hard one to understand. So i have doubts in that area, but that's just one argument of many, and i don't feel that's enough to justify saying atheism is true but there are countless things that just wouldn't make sense if that were true.
I'm not defending Christianity or any other religion as I'm still trying to understand things too, but i find it hard to understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that atheism is the only answer. Its mind boggling to me. Even believing this is a simulation would be a step up because then at least you'd see there's something more to our existence.
First of all, you need to understand the definition of agnosticism, “1. : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable” . You can be an agnostic and an atheist, and you can also be a theist
@@jod35. I know the meaning of agnosticism.
So look what im saying is, It is smarter to admit you know don't know than to believe in atheism. Agnosticism leaves the possibility of God open, where as Atheism is believing there is no God.
We dont even understand a fraction of reality and yet we humans would sit here and say we know there is no creator. That is beyond absurdity.
’ll put it this way: it’s entirely possible to believe in God’s existence without feeling compelled to worship. This is my own position-I simply don’t find enough reason to believe God exists, let alone worship him.
The difference between us is that you approach the idea of God’s existence with certainty. If God exists, an atheist could acknowledge that reality and still choose whether or not to worship. Meanwhile, an agnostic holds a position of uncertainty-they either don’t know or feel there’s not enough evidence to decide. That agnostic can lean toward atheism (by not believing) or theism (by believing).
Christians often create definitions to support their perspective, much like the way you're framing atheism here. But I’d invite you to present evidence of a creator-proof that could show God’s existence in a way that leaves no room for skepticism. The answer is 0. There is nothing you can tell me that will lead me to belief without being skeptical. I will wait. If you can prove your god exists, do it. I will testify about how I was convinced on this same channel
My friend I suggest you read 'mere Christianity' by cs lewis
Can’t count how many times I’ve been told to read it. I even own a copy.
@@jod35. CS Lewis just uses the same 10 or so arguments and they are unimaginative and not very convincing at all to any thinking person.
@@OceanusHelios It is so funny how Christians think we have not yet read it. And to be honest, such arguments are made to make them cling onto faith, They do not act as evidence.
@@OceanusHelios Saying something isn't convincing is an argument from incredulity
@@jod35. How about engaging with the argument, rather than just stating no evidence. What does that mean?? What's your definition of evidence??
Psalm 14:1-3
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils,
Don’t be deceived guys. God is not mocked. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Jesus Christ can save you from your sins and make peace between you and God. Trust in the blood of Christ by faith as sufficient payment for your sins and God will forgive you.
Don’t stand guilty before God on the day of judgment for all the lies, adultery, fornication, drunkenness, and pride you have committed in this world.
It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.
Do not be deceived.
For the fool has decided to judge people simply because they do not believe what he says. I personally don’t know you and won’t judge you but I feel you do not have the right to say we’re fools because the Bible tells you so. Get a life
@@jod35. I’m not judging you just commenting what Gods word says bro. Nothing, but love for you man. I don’t want you to go to the lake of fire. I pray for you nearly everyday even though you don’t know me 💜 🙏
@@Christ-is-the-Lord33 There is no such thing as a lake of fire, keep in mind that you are told so by a religious text.
The properties of a tri-omni god aren't actually present in the bible, when you actually read it. Yahweh is frequently unknowing, lacking foresight and lacking love, patience and forgiveness. He's brash, egotistical, vindictive and sometimes just plain ignorant at times. in fact, there's times when he doesn't even seem to understand how humans work or what they value. The claims of these supposed tri-omni traits came later as believers came up with whatever excuses and claims they could dish out to sell him over other competing gods of the time, while also cementing yahweh's authority so that appealing to him would make one infallible by proxy. It's all just control and manipulation on the part of believers to create a god of their own personal convenience to accomplish their goals without actually having to put real work in.
"I was not having the idea that this video would actually make it to more than even 100 people"
*looks at view count on this video* => 100 views 🤣
It was the previous one I was talking about
@@jod35. I know, I just found it a hilarious coincidence xD
@@WhoTheLoL Yeah. Thanks for watching
I am over half way through this video and I have never heard the name of Jesus mentioned once. Seems very suspicious.
Hmmm. Why say so? Isn’t Jesus God according to Christianity? Are you trying to say I wasn’t Christian? I was. And I am going to discuss this further when talking about God’s hiddenness.
@@jod35. God is not hidden. He has revealed Himself to us through His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ.
"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had [c]by Himself [d]purged [e]our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high," (Hebrews 1:1-3) l will await your comment reply.
@@jod35. There is a massive difference between a Goat who calls himself a Christian and a disciple who calls himself a Christian.
@christophergibson7155
here is a massive difference between a Goat who calls himself a Christian and a disciple who calls himself a Christian.
@@christophergibson7155 Jesus followers did not write this. A greek roman wrote this, not an Aramaic Hebrew Jewsish person from Jerusalem.
I could give you a Million reasons why Christianity is False and Not what Jesus Even wanted to start.
But what about the fact of how gays are treated in Uganda because of religion?
All my love to you From Germany.
I am a christian and I really like the questions you have raised. It is because I thought about them as well and I want to know the answers.
There is much I would like to say
1. But first of all I have to say that these questions are not some new news. Bible deals with them from the beginning until the end. I would even say it is a reason we have the Bible. Bible authors were not people who blindly walked and did not ask any question. Examples: Genesis - Kain and Abel, Noahs ark, Babylon, slavery, wars, etc., Job, Ecclesiastes, Habakkuk chapter 1, etc. Basically every book of the Bible talks about evil.
a/ How did God judge evil?
- like on a single story there is so much to show, but for me, it is the best to go to the beginning
Genesis 3 - the fall of Adam and Eve - cursed
Genesis 4 - Kain and Abel - cursed, Kain has a mark for anyone not to kill him even though he killed first
Genesis 6 - Noahs ark - people were so wicked that judgemnt was death, saved is only Noah by his righteousness and faith
Genesis 8 - Gods will to never kill all living things again
Genesis 9 - if anyone kills a man, he should be also killed, because man was formed by God on His image
Genesis 11 - Babylonian tower, Lord scattered them, because they did not fulfill his word to fulfill the earth
-> and many more, like literally whole Bible is about evil and good and God telling people to do good, when they do not, they are judged, when they repent they can be forgiven, God calls us to forgive others as He forgave us, He did not condemn us right away after 1 sin, but had mercy and gives us eternal life through faith and obedience (another example is Sodoma and Gomorah, where Lot and his family escapes and God does not want to destroy anyone who is righteouss and faithful to God, but the ungodly and wicked)
b/ Is God evil?
- Imo No.
- why? simple answer is because the Bible says so: Psalm 34:8, Psalm 145:9, Nahum 1:7, James 1:13, James 1:17, 1 John 1:5, Romans 8:28, etc.
- when my child steals something, am I inheritly evil because it is my child? No. I would be evil if I told the child to steal. But if I tell my child to not steal and be good, but my child steals, whos fault is that? Not the childs? Should I force the child at all cost, at the cost of its life, to not steal?
- why do we have courts? Why do we have judges? If there is a criminal, why do we judge him? Because he has commited a crime, he had a choice, to commit and not to commit evil. He chose evil. That is why there is judgement and punishment.
- I do not like how sometimes atheists oversimplify moral law and judgement, because there is much to talk about and many different perspectives, especially when you consider love, mercy, compassion
2. Why is there hunger, natural forces, etc.?
a/ Hunger
- first of all I would channelenge you to go again to the beginning and tell me that it is Gods fault that people are hungry today
- God told Adam and Eve that He gives them every tree bearing fruit to eat from, clearly they have had enough, but they were supposed to take good care of the garden, so are you sure people are nowdays starving because God did not provide for them or can it be possible that people did not take good care of the earth God gave them to take care?
-> imagine a situation, I do not work, I just sleep all day long, even though I am healthy, but I am just lazy, imagine Adam was like that, that Adam was too lazdy to even go grab a fruit from a tree. Would it be Gods fault that Adam was hungry laying on a grass and not picking the apple from a tree? Did God not create men to work and then eat?
b/natural forces
- it is pretty clear that at least sometimes it was a way of Gods judgement on people
- but again, it is also about how we take care of earth, lets just look at one factor and that is deforestation, so when it rains, trees take good care of the rainfall, but I have seen many examples, where humans cut the trees, planted there some seeds, and when rain came, the water had nowhere to settle, but just flew lower and floods came
+ same goes to hot weathers, where forest keeps lower temperature, etc.
3. If I was god how would I make a world a better place?
- I would take care of it exactly as God does right now
Why?
- because if I became God, and being all knowing and everything He is, from the beginning of time, I would imo see that His/my plan was the best and I actually like some explanations:
a/ If God were to destroy evil, He would have to destroy us
- one thing I have realized from the Bible is that God is patient and He does not want anyone to perish but to repent - Ezekiel 18:30, Ezekiel 33:11, 2 Peter 3:9
- Genesis 15:16 - God waited for Amorites to repent, they did not, thats when God sent Izrael to destroy them
- Jonah, God sent His servant Jonah to preach to Ninive, they believed, repented, God forgave them their sins, if it were you judging, you might have destroyed them years before this moment, but IMO it is Gods love and mercy that waits
I could write more, but I am tired :D
What do you think?
God says to Habakkuk: "Look among the nations, and see; wonder and be astounded. For I am doing a work in your days that you would not believe if told."
Thank you for such a detailed comment and an interesting insight into the believer's mind. I don't know if you believe in evolution, I do. The point on hunger and death by starvation was particularly interesting too me. The gene Homo Sapiens is 200 000 years old, the vast majority of this time people lived in hunter-gathering communities without scripture or agriculture. Agriculture and first fixed settlements are only 12 000 years old. Current scientific estimates say that approximately 110 billion people lived on this planet. The overwhelming majority of these people lived a life of misery, fear, disease and grief. The earlier humans didn't even know agriculture, they couldn't tend the garden. All these people lived in almost constant hunger, they were dying young and losing their loved ones all the time. Every family was bound to lose at least one child to starvation, parasites, preditors, decease, elements or unclean water. Have you ever met a parent who lost their child? They are the ghosts of themselves with nothing but pain in the inside. These people quite often where pagans, and we know God of the bible hates pagans, but he didn't reveal himself early on and they didn't know any better. I wonder what happened to these 100 billion souls if you believe in souls, they lived a very short and extremely miserable life and if we follow the bible it's quite likely that these people are not saved. So I obviously wonder why an all loving God would create souls to live a short period of torture on Earth to than proceed to be tortured forever in hell. Why create humans at all if he hates us so much?
@@ВоробьёваАлиса-я4э
Good quesiton
1. First of all I would like to say that I do not believe that God hates his creation. I would compare it again to parent child relationship. A good parent loves his child, takes care of him, feeds him, teaches him. But if the child misbehaves, you try to explain what is right, from what is wrong. If the child misbehaves you punish it, not because you hate you child, but because you love him. You do not want for you child to become abuser, criminal, etc. You want him to have a good future. But what is enough? When would you say to your child that enough is enough, you have made a terrible act of evil, for a long time, you have to be accountable. And remember God is God of all people, not just my child, but also to the child, which my child abused for example. Would a loving and just God not punish the one who abused another human being? If He did not, then imo that would look like He does not love that child which was abused.
If you would like to read passages from the Bible where it says that God wants all nations to be saved, in the OT and NT and also that God punishes wicked men who are Izraelites in the OT, then you can read:
Isaiah 19:25 - Egypt, Asyria, Izrael
Jonah - Ninive
Daniel - Babylon, especially king Nebukadneccar whom God humbled and he believed in the God of Daniel
Gods judgement on Izrael: Hosea 4:1-3, Amos 2:4, Ezekiel 5:7-8, Jeremiah 25:8-9, ...
Just thinking about it: in the beginning there was no Izrael. All people were His people. The issue was, that people turned away from God and they followed their wicked ways. Therefore God chose Abraham, because He was rightoues and followed God.
2. I do not believe in eternal hell torture and I do not know how precisely God will those who did not hear about Him as we do nowdays. It is justa question we are not given an answer in the Bible, as far as I am aware. But just interesting thing to think about is f.e. this text: Deuteronomy 1:39
- here Moses tells Izraelites that those young children whose fault was not that their parents were disobidient towards God, were not judged, and they could enter the promised land
- another example comes to my mind: Matthew 11:23-24
-> Here Jesus tells Izraelites that it will be easier for Sodoma on the day of judgement than for them, this tells me that God gives different punishment and He acknowledges everything : Revelation 22:12
3. Question about evolution is a huge one. I personally do not believe in elovution. I know christians that do. But as you have pointed out, evolution shows Gods character to be really cruel, because of the suffering and nonlogical because of the sacrifice of Jesus, He died so we could live, therefore if death did not enter the world through sin, then I do not know why I should be saved from something that was already created. From my perspective evolution does not align with Bible. There are christians that might say something else so I will not speak for them. But for me I do not believe that we as a human race can be 100% sure about evolution taking place as we say.
The bible is a collection of stories, written in the bronze age, by people who lacked any knowledge of science.
You, however have no excuse for believing such supernatural, superstitious nonsense.
All gods are invented. All religions are superstitions of one kind or another that require ghosts to exist. No ghosts ever show up to any debates to defend any religions. Nobody has any miracles to show, but only hearsay about witnesses that were written about, and not actual witnesses with supporting evidence. It's almost like people can write and say anything they like and will write and say the absurdist things and will make up stories to fit what they want people to think. Imagine that. No ghosts? No reality to gods.
So what was the point of drowning pregnant woman , babies and animals in a flood if it did not rid the world of evil ?
Also why did god except the sacrifice of his (own child ) to pay the price of sin ..when sin and evil still exist 2000 years later ??
See, you're using words like "unnecessary." That imports a lot of presumptions and assumed things. To be "necessary" something must have a goal and certain rules to apply by. Both are necessary for the word "necessary." You are importing a false goal for God by presuming a logical dilemma that doesn't actually exist. All God needs to justify evil and remain all powerful and all loving, is simply to have a morally justified and valid reason for it. God's love is not God's only attribute-so God is capable of both desiring the best for all things and still allowing that goal to fail for higher and more important reasons, a goal that is more morally important than love-that reason is God's attribute of glorious worth.
Okay, @Dizemer - but can we have specific examples of how that works?
Or in times of sectarian war, privileged policy makers, theologians, church and national leaders... or of somewhat persecutory bodies, and policies?
Also, how long is a slave trade to go on for - relative to one man gathering firewood, on a Sabbath?
Or in terms of relative... severity.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Can you try to clarify that question succinctly if you want an answer, lol.
@@Dizerner Your comment is the exact textbook example of giving excuses for god why it's so indifferent, cold and couldn't be bothered to care. The other reason is god simply doesn't exist. You go figure out which one is more likely or why such a god is deserving of endless praise and worship if he does
@@johnmonk3381 There is such a thing as both valid and invalid excuses. An "excuse" by itself is not necessarily invalid. For example, if I get in a car wreck, that is a valid excuse for not making it in to work on time. If I am just sleeping late, that is an invalid excuse.
When you claim and speak of "likelihood" you are dealing with probabilities. By nature, probabilities are not certainties, so you cannot so for certain either way. But to make accurate probabilities you need more information than you currently have.
@@Dizerner i am sorry but why does this powerful god you are defending even need your explanation for his lack of care??
Christian here, I don't see this as a problem but perhaps you would like to engage in some friendly dialogue. My first thought is that sure we could think of a better world, but I wouldn't count on it being a world that is possible to bring into existence. I think I would also put forward that this is not the end. In fact, this is not even the beginning. Eternal life will be a fair bit longer than the average human life. Jesus also says "I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world." He promises those who mourn, that theirs is the kingdom. Will leave it at that for now so there isn't too much to respond too. God bless you brother.
How sure are you about the after life? If at all you are to not focus your arguments on theology.
@@jod35. As sure as someone without a personal experience can be. I've never seen Jesus with my own eyes but I'm convinced for many reasons. And I think theology is absolutely relevant since it gives reasoning. If you are to permit the idea of the God of Christianity you must permit who Christianity says this God is. Otherwise who are we talking about? it just becomes a generic God which I could make up my own reasoning for, and vice versa.
@@lbjay8914 Is Islam true? I hear the Muslims are told it is? Are Mormons believing truth? All I am requesting for is an answer in reality. Prove that there is an after life without having to rely on what any religious text says
@@jod35. Brother, you're evading the topic. The whole conversation was about the problem of evil. and I came with a Christian perspective which has it's own answers to this question. You cannot criticize Christianity without talking about Christianity. If you want to debate a generic theist I'm obviously not the person to be talking to. But you brought the problem of evil up as an argument against Christianity.
Regarding "proof", just like you can't prove that your friend isn't going to stab you tomorrow, or that anyone other than yourself truly exists and that this isn't some sort of simulation, we must look at the evidence. You want evidence let's talk evidence, but let's not kid ourselves that we can prove absolutely anything without a doubt.
So with that being said I would argue for the reliability of the gospels, then the likelihood of the resurrection. If you'd like to discuss that then let me know, otherwise I'm happy to continue talking about the problem of evil.
@@jod35. I would also add if scholars can't agree on a conclusion I see no reason two underqualified people could come to some sort of conclusion in a youtube comment section. Which is why I never brought up the reliability of the New Testament. But instead simply offered up reasoning for the problem of evil from a Christian perspective.
The problem of evil doesn't disprove god, rather it proves God. The argument you are making is the emotional part, not the intellectual part. Once you move to the intellectual part, you'll know that it falls short. For you to say something is "Evil," you must first define what's evil and prove that God can't exist where there's evil. That's impossible. Btw, learned Atheists have stopped using the problem of evil. I'd suggest you follow Atheists like Alex Connor or unsolicited advice to get better argument
My job is not at all to disprove gods. I am sharing what made me an atheist. What made me doubt the existence of gods. Honestly to me, the problem of evil is a huge problem.
@@jod35. And the problem of evil doesn't disprove God, neither is it a huge problem that haven't been answered. And Atheists who are learned have stopped using the problem of evil because it's self refuting. And I wasn't asking you to disprove God, rather asking you to show that God can't exist there's evil. You'd have to define what's evil. The fact you are even saying there's evil means you're appealing to a Morality outside you to make that statement. Reason Atheists have stopped using the argument. Go and make your research.
@@jod35. Need I forget, God being all knowing, all powerful doesn't have anything to do with evil. Humans are free moral agents
@@raphaelfeneje486so according to the Christian worldview, why does a loving God allow evil and disaster?
@@pascalonyango2427 When you say God allows evil, you are presupposing that there's a thing called objective evil, from a materialist worldview. Now let me ask, what is Evil??
Consider Islam its the truth :)
I honestly don’t think so. This is because I got so exposed to apologetics that told us to not be Muslims. And please, I don’t say this to say Muslims are bad people. They’re good . It’s only what they believe. That’s what I’m not really convinced to believe in.
@@CrazyViralz, Islam is the weakest of the Abrahamic religions
Lol...that fake religion islam
The truth about what? It is a fairy tale also. Just another superstition and one day it too shall die as all religions/superstitions do.
@@OceanusHelios The truth about the reality of this universe and our origins. Bro do your research and dont assume things, rest is up to you. Fun fact Islam is the fastest growing religion of the world, doesnt seem to be dying.
Be careful not to hastily jump to positions in your philosophical journey. During my time studying, Christianity does not give a reason to why there is suffering, even in the book of Job. The moral of the story in Job is that the ways of God far surpass that of humans. Instead we must trust in God even with our lack of knowledge. Now we can be skeptical of this. Should we just put blind faith in God when it obviously looks like there should be no suffering at all? There is an indirect answer to this, the life of Jesus Christ. God Himself experienced the suffering and evils of life. He was tortured and beaten experiencing excruciating pain, but in the end all evil and suffering will be defeated. Now the answer to the problem of suffering and evil is not directly available to us, but under Christianity God Himself suffered with us and is leading humanity to overcome it.
While I appreciate the significance of Jesus' suffering, I still find it difficult to understand why an all-powerful, all-loving God would create a world where suffering exists at all, especially when it seems avoidable.
Bro you seem lost and like you don’t know what direction to go to. I’m a Christian myself and if you don’t want to be a Christian that’s cool no one is forcing it on you but man I just hope you find truth in Jesus and stop listening to all these people in the comments and make the decision yourself
I appreciate your concern, but I’m not lost. The decision to leave Christianity was mine, and I made it after a lot of reflection and study. It wasn’t influenced by anyone else or the comments here. I understand that Christianity provides comfort and answers for many, but for me, after considering the history and examining my faith, I found that it didn’t align with what I could believe anymore. I respect that your path led you to Jesus, but mine has led me in a different direction. Finding my own truth was exactly what I did.
"If you don't want to be a Christian that's cool, but also please become a Christian!" -This is how you sound.
Bro you seem like a gaslighter. Maybe you should just stick to preaching to the people in your church. Seems like He has found himself. He doesn't have to lose himself to your superstition.
@@OceanusHelios Thanks for the comment
Ironically you are in his comments. Do you not want him to listen to you?