My main issue with Battlesisters is their cost. Battlesisters start performing very well with double attached leaders, but that is pricey. Meanwhile, Dominion perform 100% well with zero leader support. More flamers means more fun, reaction move makes them more survivable, and assault in all detachments. And of course as mentioned, their 4 flamers (+ hand flamer) really benefit from +1 str.
This is great. I've got 4 units of Battle Sisters + 1 unit of Dominions + 1 unit of Retributors as my firm base, all loaded with a character OR two, where applicable. Anything else, just bolts on as the mood swings.
My problem with sticky objective on Sisters of Battle is that it is antithetical to Simulacrum. With Simulacrum, you want to keep your unit on the objective for the die. With sticky, you want to move them out as soon as possible. I guess that it is ok if you split the unit and the half without the simulacrum advances to some point and makes it sticky and them move. But it is so niche that the always useful 6" reaction movement of Dominions is almost always superior, in my opinion.
Sticky is great for the non simulacrum side of the immo split, it forces the enemy to have to move onto the objective instead of just blasting us off objectives and potentially coming into range of our melta
@@JackDespero I feel like BS are a much better line unit, like they should be. Think like, playing against Renegade Raiders. Staying on OBj is a death sentence, so you sticky and move out. But against something else, you can stand and fight! It gives more variety and value out of however you can fight! And Dominions are also super good too, especially as a strong forward scout/assault unit, and doubly do with Palatine!
Sticky also forces your opponent to move to the objective to take control. They can’t just shoot you off and stop you from scoring in your next command phase.
I’ve watched tactical tortoise recently who advised you place a unit of scout move troops in your front line to scout forward if you go 2nd against an assault heavy force to protect your valuable units. If you’ve split your dominion squad, you could place your flamers or a 5 girl sacrificial unit. Leaving their prize unit in front of your army.
Finally got my 1st victory with Bringers of Flamme ! With an Emulator and dominions with melta, and battle sisters too ! SO yeah, 1+ S is very usefull for every ladies
Seems to come down to OC and Battleline. From what I remember, one of the new secret missions requires the enemy have no Battleline alive outside their deployment zone, so you'd want to stymie that at least a little.
I do think the Dominions have the regular old Battle Sisters pipped to the post atm, but honestly if the Battle Sisters just came down like 10~ish points I think that'd be enough to redress the discrepancy.
I was really hoping we'd get to field 20 woman battle sister squads again this edition =\ Would be kinda crazy with Hospitaller or Imagifier support tho. I feel like the ideal is one squad of each and then the debate is over which the third box of sisters should be. 115pts isn't a lot, after all.
I've been gradually phasing in Sisters Superior with either Hand Flamers or Inferno Pistols to match the rest of their unit. The Inferno might be shorter ranged than Plasma, but it has better AP and if you can shoot it point-blank will do at least 3 damage, up to a max of 5. (It's also great for tanky Canonesses holding up tough things in combat) Generally with Dominions vs BSS I go heavier on BSS. The Dominions get some very good rules, but Retributors bring melta better and Seraphim bring more flamers. BSS, meanwhile, have access to the multi-melta/ Palatine/ Dialogus combo, can escort the Triumph, or make a bunker with -1 to be hit from Junith and either 2+/4++ from an Imagifier or 5+++ and regeneration from a Hospitalier. Their big downside is that the points for those support characters add up fast, and start making the Assassinate secondary look very appealing to an opponent.
my army contains 2 units of both battle sisters and dominion. for me dominion are my extra army damage dealers/self deploy zone holders. i give them meltaguns so they can hop out a immolator and pop vehicles while hopping back in the immolator should the opponent move anti infantry too close to them. while the half not using the immolator stays at the back and hold the objective in my deployment zone as long as they can till a deep strike opponent come up and try to give me the additional miracle dice on a 4+. this allows for more units and models to advance and focus on the middle battle field and fighting. my battle sisters i use for my infantry. with one attached to triumph as simply pure bodyguards, and the other with a palatine for lethal hits and an imagifier to change them to a 2+ save 4+ invuln. (which i feel is better to take over a hospitallier if their staying near the triumph to get a 6+ FNP anyway) and play the support fire role against infantry and try to hold the NML objectives. if i had to choose one or the other. i would pick battle sisters over dominion as they are much more customisable to deal with certain situations. My reason to pick dominion over battle sisters is if i was not using the fire detachment so as too have that addition of advance to run up the board and contest/hold mid objectives with their assault weapons while the rest of your army play catch up. especially if you decide to not run novitiates. this is just my opinion on this.
dominions with quad storm bolters are one of my fave things in bringers of flame, a surprising amount of dakka, and quite fun with aestred. aswell potentially. For pistols on the superior i tend to favour the hand flamer, especialy in bringers of flame, as its better than most peoples normal flamers, not bad for a "pistol" I am also wanting to try immolators to split up a dominion squad, with 2 weapons in each x2, and then putting the other halves into a rhino, for the maxmium amount of foot prints and keeping them mobile. might be funny. ;p
0:23 CVC claims: "You get 10 models in the box. You get 10 models in the unit. No more, no less." Me: ☝️🤓 < Um, ACTUALLY you get 11 models (it even says so right on the box) ...its because of the creepy baby. 👼
So on the one hand you get sticky which works for elite armies where holding an objective is costly and the battleline keyword but is pointless in an army with 30 point units where the cost of holding an objective is cheap. The units not survivable enough to make oc2 meaningful And on the other you get more effective melta output, a reactive move and scout and assault weapons its not a contest One units been nerfed ones been buffed and now their the same cost
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either one works fine. Both are great. I prefer the autocannons because you are moving closer to get more shots - if you get even closer then you get higher strength
Most of my lists have 2x dominions, with flamers and meltas, and 1x battle sisters. I see the value of both, and my collection is slightly limited. Still disappointed by storm bolters, even in bringers of flame with support from a castigator, though maybe they need another test there.
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber i recently got into warhammer and have chosen the sisters of battle as my first army faction. My brother and mother got me the current combat patrol and army of faith battle force, along with buying myself Celestine. My brother also wants to get me the penitent battleforce, to which I am saying no atm. I currently have my eyes on transport, rhinos or immolators, and either morvann vahl and some paragon warsuits, and/or a retributer squad + triumph. In which direction would you recommend me to expand?
@@Virginiality I would make what you have before the unpainted pile gets too high. Immolators are a good choice but it is currently hard to find the model.
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber right now I'm waiting on the battleforce and Celestine, I've assembled the flagelents and completed canoness, celestial sacraments, and sister superior. (For the record i agree and keep telling him not to get me anything else rn)
Battle Sisters, with flame Heavy and Special. Battle Sisters with Melta Heavy of Special. Two to One or One to Two depending on the enemy ahead. May the Emporer Protect 'US' not them lol
Is it worth adding a Palatine to your units?
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Master is wise, for when you ask a question he tells you both yes and no!
Love the video!
My main issue with Battlesisters is their cost. Battlesisters start performing very well with double attached leaders, but that is pricey. Meanwhile, Dominion perform 100% well with zero leader support. More flamers means more fun, reaction move makes them more survivable, and assault in all detachments. And of course as mentioned, their 4 flamers (+ hand flamer) really benefit from +1 str.
This is great. I've got 4 units of Battle Sisters + 1 unit of Dominions + 1 unit of Retributors as my firm base, all loaded with a character OR two, where applicable.
Anything else, just bolts on as the mood swings.
My problem with sticky objective on Sisters of Battle is that it is antithetical to Simulacrum.
With Simulacrum, you want to keep your unit on the objective for the die. With sticky, you want to move them out as soon as possible.
I guess that it is ok if you split the unit and the half without the simulacrum advances to some point and makes it sticky and them move.
But it is so niche that the always useful 6" reaction movement of Dominions is almost always superior, in my opinion.
I think it’s intended for you to sticky your home objective then rush up and control a mid objective to make use of the simulacrum
Sticky is great for the non simulacrum side of the immo split, it forces the enemy to have to move onto the objective instead of just blasting us off objectives and potentially coming into range of our melta
@@JackDespero I feel like BS are a much better line unit, like they should be. Think like, playing against Renegade Raiders. Staying on OBj is a death sentence, so you sticky and move out. But against something else, you can stand and fight!
It gives more variety and value out of however you can fight!
And Dominions are also super good too, especially as a strong forward scout/assault unit, and doubly do with Palatine!
Sticky also forces your opponent to move to the objective to take control. They can’t just shoot you off and stop you from scoring in your next command phase.
Very actual video for me, currently building 2 squads from 25 sisters.
I’ve watched tactical tortoise recently who advised you place a unit of scout move troops in your front line to scout forward if you go 2nd against an assault heavy force to protect your valuable units. If you’ve split your dominion squad, you could place your flamers or a 5 girl sacrificial unit. Leaving their prize unit in front of your army.
Finally got my 1st victory with Bringers of Flamme ! With an Emulator and dominions with melta, and battle sisters too ! SO yeah, 1+ S is very usefull for every ladies
Lmao the Emulator. *Immolator
Imo, Both. Both is good!
Seems to come down to OC and Battleline. From what I remember, one of the new secret missions requires the enemy have no Battleline alive outside their deployment zone, so you'd want to stymie that at least a little.
They both kick butt I use both
Stuck on the very same question. But as I probably need battleline for more points. I went for battle sisters
I do think the Dominions have the regular old Battle Sisters pipped to the post atm, but honestly if the Battle Sisters just came down like 10~ish points I think that'd be enough to redress the discrepancy.
what 10 points get you anyway
Enhancements, upgrading other units, and more of you have multiple units.
And here weeee go ^^
@@ValkeersYT Heck yeah, 630pts for 60 Sisters is a go! We'll have the stickiest nuns in the entire galaxy! No wait, not that....🙊
I was really hoping we'd get to field 20 woman battle sister squads again this edition =\ Would be kinda crazy with Hospitaller or Imagifier support tho.
I feel like the ideal is one squad of each and then the debate is over which the third box of sisters should be. 115pts isn't a lot, after all.
They sound really good
Big time sinner here, good video
Be forgiven your sins
Both. Both are good.
Saint Celestine and Greyfax best 40k couple.
Running astred with storm bolter Doms can be pretty potent
I've been gradually phasing in Sisters Superior with either Hand Flamers or Inferno Pistols to match the rest of their unit. The Inferno might be shorter ranged than Plasma, but it has better AP and if you can shoot it point-blank will do at least 3 damage, up to a max of 5. (It's also great for tanky Canonesses holding up tough things in combat)
Generally with Dominions vs BSS I go heavier on BSS. The Dominions get some very good rules, but Retributors bring melta better and Seraphim bring more flamers. BSS, meanwhile, have access to the multi-melta/ Palatine/ Dialogus combo, can escort the Triumph, or make a bunker with -1 to be hit from Junith and either 2+/4++ from an Imagifier or 5+++ and regeneration from a Hospitalier. Their big downside is that the points for those support characters add up fast, and start making the Assassinate secondary look very appealing to an opponent.
my army contains 2 units of both battle sisters and dominion.
for me dominion are my extra army damage dealers/self deploy zone holders. i give them meltaguns so they can hop out a immolator and pop vehicles while hopping back in the immolator should the opponent move anti infantry too close to them. while the half not using the immolator stays at the back and hold the objective in my deployment zone as long as they can till a deep strike opponent come up and try to give me the additional miracle dice on a 4+. this allows for more units and models to advance and focus on the middle battle field and fighting.
my battle sisters i use for my infantry. with one attached to triumph as simply pure bodyguards, and the other with a palatine for lethal hits and an imagifier to change them to a 2+ save 4+ invuln. (which i feel is better to take over a hospitallier if their staying near the triumph to get a 6+ FNP anyway) and play the support fire role against infantry and try to hold the NML objectives.
if i had to choose one or the other. i would pick battle sisters over dominion as they are much more customisable to deal with certain situations.
My reason to pick dominion over battle sisters is if i was not using the fire detachment so as too have that addition of advance to run up the board and contest/hold mid objectives with their assault weapons while the rest of your army play catch up. especially if you decide to not run novitiates.
this is just my opinion on this.
Can't figure out a single setup where dominions are not better, honestly. More firepower, better mobility, better chance of surviving turn 2 and 3.
Now I need a saint Celestine to go with my gray fax I’ve had for 3 years 😂
dominions with quad storm bolters are one of my fave things in bringers of flame, a surprising amount of dakka, and quite fun with aestred. aswell potentially.
For pistols on the superior i tend to favour the hand flamer, especialy in bringers of flame, as its better than most peoples normal flamers, not bad for a "pistol"
I am also wanting to try immolators to split up a dominion squad, with 2 weapons in each x2, and then putting the other halves into a rhino, for the maxmium amount of foot prints and keeping them mobile. might be funny. ;p
Man I really wish the Triumph kept that +1A to Rapid Fire guns.
0:23 CVC claims: "You get 10 models in the box. You get 10 models in the unit. No more, no less."
Me: ☝️🤓 < Um, ACTUALLY you get 11 models (it even says so right on the box)
...its because of the creepy baby. 👼
I'm running both, splitting up Dominions with the Immo. Dominion Simulacrum goes on the home obj.
I sinned, but as a sister player, i guess i'll just have to do one game of Penitant host...
A potentially good combo is to put Fire and Fury on a regular canoness with the Brazier of Holy Fire some extra torrent goodness
but sadly it is once per game Holy Fire
So on the one hand you get sticky which works for elite armies where holding an objective is costly and the battleline keyword but is pointless in an army with 30 point units where the cost of holding an objective is cheap. The units not survivable enough to make oc2 meaningful
And on the other you get more effective melta output, a reactive move and scout and assault weapons its not a contest
One units been nerfed ones been buffed and now their the same cost
I sinned.
tut tut
I forgive you
Can someone explain to me why Celestians aren't a thing anymore? I'm new to this and I see Celestians as an option in the manual
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Now a BIG gun question: in bringers of flames, Castigator with autocannons or battle cannon?
either one works fine. Both are great.
I prefer the autocannons because you are moving closer to get more shots - if you get even closer then you get higher strength
Most of my lists have 2x dominions, with flamers and meltas, and 1x battle sisters. I see the value of both, and my collection is slightly limited. Still disappointed by storm bolters, even in bringers of flame with support from a castigator, though maybe they need another test there.
Storm Bolters get much better with Aestrid and Agatha to provide Devastating Wounds
Battle sisters are better because Multi melta also its july not june
What about now that the dominion is 125 and battle sisters are 105?
for most players it has made very little difference in mindset. I still feel the same about Dominions vs Sisters
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber i recently got into warhammer and have chosen the sisters of battle as my first army faction. My brother and mother got me the current combat patrol and army of faith battle force, along with buying myself Celestine. My brother also wants to get me the penitent battleforce, to which I am saying no atm. I currently have my eyes on transport, rhinos or immolators, and either morvann vahl and some paragon warsuits, and/or a retributer squad + triumph. In which direction would you recommend me to expand?
@@Virginiality I would make what you have before the unpainted pile gets too high. Immolators are a good choice but it is currently hard to find the model.
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber right now I'm waiting on the battleforce and Celestine, I've assembled the flagelents and completed canoness, celestial sacraments, and sister superior. (For the record i agree and keep telling him not to get me anything else rn)
Ayo when will you make a Minecraft lets play?
I sinned
dont forgive me cause i will do it again.
Battle Sisters, with flame Heavy and Special. Battle Sisters with Melta Heavy of Special. Two to One or One to Two depending on the enemy ahead. May the Emporer Protect 'US' not them lol
I have sinned
20 mins not 20 seconds lol