Great educational video Phil👍always learning. Tried the flower a while back and could definitely notice the difference on brush marks,and ease of application. Thanks again
Good video Phil. I personally use Owetrol and it does slow down the drying time on water based paints which makes the paint level out alot better. You get more time with it and it doesn't leave a patchy finish. You need this product when workin on kitchen units ,MDF wardrobes etc. It does help alot for a purer finish
Cheers phil , found that interesting. I got a sample in the brewers lucky bag at the P&D show,when I bumped into you. I’ll give it a try on a bedroom I’m currently doing.
Might be wrong going back quite few years. Use to use Shaw paints in Slough, who brought Benjamin Moore into this country, back around in 2012. Their extender should not be used in alkyd paint. Another very good extender was Xim from Decorating Direct Phil,but unfortunately I don't think they can get it any more.😢😢😢 Imo that was the best one for acrlic paints
I use conditioner all the time in my paint now , i haven't tried the Smith & Rodger one but will give it a whirl , i'm actually using a lot of M-1 latex extender which i prefer to Floetrol . You can definitely notice the difference on application .
Great stuff phil,this is just the video i have neen looking out for and you have explained it all very well,as a painter myself i do at times struggle with water based paints drying too quickly and the inevitable brush marks and roller marks scenario,and then if you do get a little run in the corner of a door panel and touch it up with the dry brush it always shows up,this product seems to extend the open time and whilst i have been sceptical of these products in the past i will try them now after this video,so it should help too with darker colours like red,green,navy etc?
So paint companies take out the "good stuff" to save/make more money, Charge us more for thier Paint as they are "saving the planet". Then we pay more for products to add what they took out!🤷♂ Am i understanding this properly?
I found it did to be honest. I've been using floetrol with crown fast flow gloss, which I know is a hybrid, but it's a pig to work with so I find you do need a bit more open time. I switched to flow and bond and I found the sheen levels were like a satin finish with the 10:1 ratio. I'll try again with maybe 5%, but it was worse than floetrol. Hope that helps.
Technically yes, you mentioned it, sort of. But not by name and you didn’t say anything about it other than acknowledging some people use it. I’m just wondering why. If it’s crap/worse than the other products, please tell us how and why. If it’s good, please tell us how and why. Either way it’s weird not to include the market leader in the comparison 🤷🏻♂️
Find johnstones paints do well how they are their oil eggshell flows nice their gloss which just been improved has the best flow of any oil gloss now and apparently is a anti yellowing formula plus these paint conditioners in such competitive market probably aren't going to you many favours with a lot of customers
This is for waterbased paints. Yes johnstones solvent based are great, beautiful top coats. I also like their water based undercoat, brushes and sprays lovely and sands nice and flat very easy, unlike most other wb undercoats which are terrible to sand. However I absolutely hate johnstones wb top coat (aqua stuff), I find it doesn't brush well even with conditioner. Hardest wb I have ever used when it comes to brushing.
Friendly Tip! Save your money! Floetrol and Penetrol NO NO. Paint has all additives required. I use water for over 40 years to thin my paints. No come back so far. The Gooseneck Guy! Cheers!
@@James-dv1df i don't think your notice much difference. They say the enamel is harder wearing. But most quality waterbase acrylic paints are now are suitable for exterior use. I wouldn't worry too much.
@@James-dv1df Enamel is a description of the finish. Usually more associated with solvent based paints. Acrylic is the resin / binder used in the paint. This is where you get the performance from the paint. You can get both solvent based and water based acrylic paints. Martin, Coating Chemist DGH Manufacturing / H&G
Please dont use Floetrol, you'll wasting money ,keep away from PVA 😮, Thers plenty out there 👍🏼
Whys that Mark?
Said it before and I will say it again, owatrol is the cats bananas
Obviously for oil based paints
@@philipmorris57 lol is it not just boiled linseed oil being marketed differently?
It has PVA in it just Google ingredients of flood which is the American version of floetrol same company
Great educational video Phil👍always learning.
Tried the flower a while back and could definitely notice the difference on brush marks,and ease of application. Thanks again
Flowetrol
Always thought about giving it a go, this has made my mind up to use it next time i paint.
Good video Phil. I personally use Owetrol and it does slow down the drying time on water based paints which makes the paint level out alot better. You get more time with it and it doesn't leave a patchy finish. You need this product when workin on kitchen units ,MDF wardrobes etc. It does help alot for a purer finish
Notice any deterioration on the finish?
Owetrol is for oil
@@painterman8863 I meant Floetrol my appologies
Meant to say Floetrol
No problem mate,we have all done it.👍@tonyrussell496
Good stuff. Got a sample and used it with some Goodhome emulsion. Worked like a dream.
The best water based paint I’ve ever used for flow & Sheen is Amstead 👌🏼
Cheers phil , found that interesting. I got a sample in the brewers lucky bag at the P&D show,when I bumped into you. I’ll give it a try on a bedroom I’m currently doing.
Let me know what you think. It helps with application and flow more than ppl think.
Might be wrong going back quite few years.
Use to use Shaw paints in Slough, who brought Benjamin Moore into this country, back around in 2012.
Their extender should not be used in alkyd paint.
Another very good extender was Xim from Decorating Direct Phil,but unfortunately I don't think they can get it any more.😢😢😢
Imo that was the best one for acrlic paints
Again had no idea this stuff existed until read some comments in vids. Guessing fine to use with bedec msp gonna use on some mdf skirting?
yep, watch my staircase painting video from the other week where I use MSP
I use conditioner all the time in my paint now , i haven't tried the Smith & Rodger one but will give it a whirl , i'm actually using a lot of M-1 latex extender which i prefer to Floetrol . You can definitely notice the difference on application .
Where from do you get your M1 latex extender? Cheers
Thanks for the video, how are you mixing the conditioner into the paint?
Also did you know aqua guard comes in a gloss too?
Tip it in, stir it up
sometimes i have to add water to emulsion to aid application do i need to do this when using flow & bond also can i use it when miss coating
Thanks
Thanks too
Great stuff phil,this is just the video i have neen looking out for and you have explained it all very well,as a painter myself i do at times struggle with water based paints drying too quickly and the inevitable brush marks and roller marks scenario,and then if you do get a little run in the corner of a door panel and touch it up with the dry brush it always shows up,this product seems to extend the open time and whilst i have been sceptical of these products in the past i will try them now after this video,so it should help too with darker colours like red,green,navy etc?
yes it does,.
also, depends what wb paints you've been using... some are a lot easier to apply than others.
which are you using now?
does the flow and bond improve adhesion of water based over oil did you find Phil without having to use a water based adhesion primer
they say so, you still need to sand the surface though.
Have you ever tried it for spraying Phil? How does it affect thinning for HVLP?
Use Flow &Bond with the quickshot and Isomat Isolac satin. Didn't notice any issues
Do you ever use 2k paints like renner?
I've got a couple to try soon.
So paint companies take out the "good stuff" to save/make more money, Charge us more for thier Paint as they are "saving the planet". Then we pay more for products to add what they took out!🤷♂ Am i understanding this properly?
So around 10% dilution on both.
Does it effect the satin Sheen like floetrol does once cured
I found it did to be honest. I've been using floetrol with crown fast flow gloss, which I know is a hybrid, but it's a pig to work with so I find you do need a bit more open time. I switched to flow and bond and I found the sheen levels were like a satin finish with the 10:1 ratio. I'll try again with maybe 5%, but it was worse than floetrol. Hope that helps.
Can you use it with undercoat ?
yes, i can't see why not, that would be ideal.
Very strange in a video about paint conditioners not to mention the most ubiquitous and best known one, Floetrol. Any particular reason Phil?
The only one shown 33 seconds into the video?
Technically yes, you mentioned it, sort of. But not by name and you didn’t say anything about it other than acknowledging some people use it.
I’m just wondering why. If it’s crap/worse than the other products, please tell us how and why. If it’s good, please tell us how and why.
Either way it’s weird not to include the market leader in the comparison 🤷🏻♂️
@@StueeRoss I've never had any to try. But they all do the same thing.
Ah do that add water to my vynil silk for my final coat on all interior exterior woodwork 👍👍👍
vinyl silk? exterior? woodwork?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 😂😂😂 joking mate watch your videos very good keep them coming 👏👍👍
You wasn't joking, vinyl silk on any wood work is toshing.
Will this improve my cutting in. It’s terrible. S wonder decorator
Try it and let me know lol
Do you still add water and this stuff?
No
Find johnstones paints do well how they are their oil eggshell flows nice their gloss which just been improved has the best flow of any oil gloss now and apparently is a anti yellowing formula plus these paint conditioners in such competitive market probably aren't going to you many favours with a lot of customers
This is for waterbased paints. Yes johnstones solvent based are great, beautiful top coats.
I also like their water based undercoat, brushes and sprays lovely and sands nice and flat very easy, unlike most other wb undercoats which are terrible to sand.
However I absolutely hate johnstones wb top coat (aqua stuff), I find it doesn't brush well even with conditioner. Hardest wb I have ever used when it comes to brushing.
Bit of PVA in my AR2 makes it go on a treat😂
a splash of water in your emulsion and WASH your brush out every door for woodwork paints .... simple as that
is that better than a paint conditioner, that aids flow, adhesion and doesn't alter the consistency of the paint?
Friendly Tip! Save your money! Floetrol and Penetrol NO NO. Paint has all additives required. I use water for over 40 years to thin my paints. No come back so far. The Gooseneck Guy! Cheers!
oh no.... it works different to water.
Thinning paint down with water loses the opacity.
Never had a problem in over 40 years! The paint flows a lot better and glides. No drag, Cheers!@@tonyrussell496
Silly question what is the difference between latex and enamel paint?
Water based compared to oil based
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator is there is a difference between water based enamel and water based acrylic?
@@James-dv1df i don't think your notice much difference.
They say the enamel is harder wearing.
But most quality waterbase acrylic paints are now are suitable for exterior use.
I wouldn't worry too much.
@@James-dv1df Enamel is a description of the finish. Usually more associated with solvent based paints. Acrylic is the resin / binder used in the paint. This is where you get the performance from the paint. You can get both solvent based and water based acrylic paints. Martin, Coating Chemist DGH Manufacturing / H&G