SST PURE BLIND TEST // Is it Worth it?

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  • @djkim23
    @djkim23 Рік тому +7

    I think the fallacy of pured vs non pured blind test is that the non pured shaft just means that shaft is randomly attached, whereas pured one is attached at an angle that is the most “optimal”. It is entirely possible that the non pured shaft could be attached in the “optimal angle” by random chance.
    The more objective test would be to pure two shafts, and for one of them turn it 90 degrees to see if unoptimized shaft angle would perform significantly worse than the pured.

  • @papab3272
    @papab3272 3 роки тому +147

    I have to say gentlemen that not only do you have the most informative equipment testing and fitting channel on UA-cam, you have the channel with the most integrity! To do a test like this knowing full well that it might result in clients opting to pass on an additional service you offer speaks volumes. It's why you have success and why you will have even greater success in the days and years to come. You're simply the top of the mountain in the industry!

    • @joeyfranchini7499
      @joeyfranchini7499 2 місяці тому

      Thank you for all your honest work. We all really appreciate it

  • @chriselerick4770
    @chriselerick4770 3 роки тому +5

    accra is the big winner here. they proved (if one test can prove anything) that they’re producing a high quality, tight tolerance shaft. now let’s find a steel shaft that is way out, and have matt hit shots with it. then find another steel shaft that is way out and pure it, and have matt hit it. which is better?
    also, freaking great session matty!!!

  • @robcoates5253
    @robcoates5253 3 роки тому +77

    "Turn this into a little mini-series" = Give the people what they want!

  • @_Will919
    @_Will919 3 роки тому +105

    This is a phenomenal video. I don't think many fitters/channels would have the guts to make a video like this. Love it!

    • @mrudd39
      @mrudd39 3 роки тому +2

      Am I the only one who read the word "phenomenal" in Ian's voice?

    • @TJ-nk4de
      @TJ-nk4de 3 роки тому +5

      club champion is in shambles!! they will recomend pureing a spineless shaft lmao. theres a reason a very very small percentage of tour pro's have a pure'd shaft and this confirms that. it realistically doesnt do much. would be curious to see shafts from the 90s and early 2000s though when manufacturing wasnt as advanced and tolerances were more sporadic

    • @k.dickie8972
      @k.dickie8972 3 роки тому +1

      Some might have recorded a video, but they likely wouldn't have published when they discovered the results.

  • @timpozzi8039
    @timpozzi8039 3 роки тому +109

    Let's see a commonplace stock iron shaft DG, KBS or others

    • @robsumpter6661
      @robsumpter6661 3 роки тому +5

      That’s the one, test what most of us play

    • @Jacolan007
      @Jacolan007 3 роки тому +5

      KBS themselves said puring is a waste

    • @robsumpter6661
      @robsumpter6661 3 роки тому +1

      @@Brooks_Cupcake I meant that was the test I wanted to see as opposed to the DG shaft specifically. You are probably right though about DG, I think I only have1 club with DG now. Project X in my irons and Nippon Modus 3 in all my wedges bar the 1 DG which I am planning on reshafting to Nippon too

    • @mvansb23
      @mvansb23 3 роки тому +1

      I’ve heard the tolerances in steel shaft manufacturing are less precise. Very curious to see if you find a difference in steel shafts. But you may need to try 3 or 4 pure’d and unpure’d as you probably get some steel shafts in a set that are fine and some that benefit.

    • @Just_virge
      @Just_virge 3 роки тому

      So I ask the question why do people make money on things that are fake and trick / dupe people into believing in a false hope. I see this offered as an up charge all the time

  • @alexetchesgolf
    @alexetchesgolf 3 роки тому +33

    Literally the Mythbusters. That was surprising but amazing at the same time - unreal test!

  • @geemac979
    @geemac979 3 роки тому +3

    I agree with other subscribers. TXG provide the most informative and clearly unbiased product and service reviews, globally. I had dispersion issues with my driver shaft. Alignment testing discovered that my ‘true’ alignment varied by approximately 9*degrees from OEM set up. Dispersion issues were rectified immediately following shaft alignment. IMO: the extra spend and QC assurance far outweighs the ‘what if’ questions and performance issues. I have witnessed, first hand, the degree variations in my new (steel) iron and wedge shafts during the fitting and club construction process. I am a firm believer in spine alignment as a QC and consumer purchase assurance process. The small ‘up cost’ of spine alignment is worth it regardless of OEM hype. Thanks TXG, Accra & SST Pure.

  • @-What-are-your-thoughts
    @-What-are-your-thoughts 3 роки тому +11

    I’m a scratch golfer and decided to get my new set of irons pured just to see if I noticed a difference. Can’t say i really noticed a difference but I believe in the science. Enjoyed the video.

    • @885wc
      @885wc 2 роки тому

      ​@Star Sea Why do you say Miura is more hype? I bought a set of Srixons and my mind has been blown. I can't imagine Miura being any less. More expensive? sure, but they are such a sexy bit of kit, aren't they? I also can't see myself playing anything other than Japanese forged.

  • @shavenyak1
    @shavenyak1 7 місяців тому +1

    I got fitted and purchased a set of clubs from Club Champion last week. I opted out of the puring because I'm new to golf. After seeing this video, I'm even happier with my purchase and that I'm supporting an honorable business.

  • @t3golf
    @t3golf 3 роки тому +20

    Into the video at 6:41 right now & I'm less concerned with the puring & wondering instead where Matt got the "no bunker" cheat code and if it's still available for purchase.

  • @christopherlafreniere7141
    @christopherlafreniere7141 3 роки тому +16

    I've been waiting on this video for so long I've actually quit golf and came back twice.

    • @pikmin786
      @pikmin786 3 роки тому +2

      So what I’m hearing is you haven’t really waited that long

  • @DanielRodrigues-hn8cx
    @DanielRodrigues-hn8cx 3 роки тому +23

    good on Accra for making a shaft that "doesn't" need to be purred to perform! Wonder what a "budget" shaft test would look like?

    • @Brandon-youtube
      @Brandon-youtube 3 роки тому +3

      I feel like this could have been a huge part of it. Accra isnt going to send the TXG boys a poor quality shaft, what happens if they walked into a big box store and bought a couple say Tensei CK Blues or a Diamana Limited

    • @seansmith373
      @seansmith373 Рік тому

      I don’t think purging makes difference considering there alot of videos confirming it doesn’t make a difference

  • @ocke94
    @ocke94 3 роки тому +2

    This is why you guys are the best channel on UA-cam! Puring is a service you sell, and the fact that you are this honest with the settings and the results speaks loud about your top shelf professionality. Enjoyed the video to say the least.
    P.s. Heard Trottie talk about puring aswell, and if I remember correctly he said that premium driver shafts most likely has no benefits of puring while iron shafts might have.

  • @aarongibson7090
    @aarongibson7090 3 роки тому +1

    I have to agree with Barry. The reason I watch your channel more than any other is your honesty, integrity, and knowledge, which is unmatched. And did I mention interesting and fun! Oh, and the best attribute you both have is how genuine you are. Keep up the great content guys.

  • @zacharymilos392
    @zacharymilos392 3 роки тому +5

    You guys have some great integrity to keep this test honest and unbiased. I love your guys work.

  • @adamflowers5360
    @adamflowers5360 3 роки тому +2

    Such a refreshing and honest test. This can be one of the more heated debate topics these days.

  • @matshort1013
    @matshort1013 3 роки тому +1

    These fellas are way ahead of the curve for golf channels. Absolute top notch. Hopefully their sub numbers reflect that more soon!

  • @gentle8813
    @gentle8813 3 роки тому +1

    I had an M1 430 with Hzrdus 75 6.5 black shaft. When I went to get fitted for an M5 the shaft that was best was the same shaft. So I ordered one with the same shaft and got my current shaft pured. When the M5 tour arrived I switched between them at the range. The pured shaft just felt better, somehow felt smoother. It cost me £30 for the puring at Scott Gourlay golf and although I cannot say it has gained me distance the feel was a plus for me. I realise that that could just be a placebo thing but it worked for me. A lot of money per shaft which probably won’t give much to us ordinary golfers but I like what I got.

  • @InwonKim1982
    @InwonKim1982 3 роки тому +9

    Thanks for the review. I think it is about minimalizing error of margins. similarly with 'tour issue' I guess.

  • @stephenmichael3395
    @stephenmichael3395 3 роки тому +2

    the incredibly small distance between the numbers is shocking.. I don't think a robot could could put up that close of numbers.. great test. great video..

  • @BT-ls5zk
    @BT-ls5zk 3 роки тому +13

    Great test, couple questions:
    1. Any chance the unPURED shaft happened to be installed pretty close to the ideal PURED position? It would be interesting to PURE a shaft, test it, then rotate it and reinstall it in a different position and then test again.
    2. Do you think a higher handicapper might see more of a difference versus someone like Matt who can square the club face up pretty consistently?

    • @ItsMeMustard
      @ItsMeMustard 2 роки тому

      I had the same thought as your point #1. I had the idea to PURE one shaft by the book and then PURE the second shaft and rotate 90°.
      You would end up with a shaft that is 100% PURE and the other that is the worst case of being PURE.

    • @AmmoDude
      @AmmoDude 2 роки тому +2

      Test after test show that "puring" makes no difference with today's manufactured shafts. When the technology first came out years ago, tolerances where not so close. "Puring" a shaft now a days is just another way for shops to make money off the customer.

  • @gomarky
    @gomarky 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you boys!!! I'm among the thousands looking forward to this video. And to have 1,100 likes and only 3 dislikes (at this point) only shows how great this process in this video was. So damned informative and trustworthy. Thanks!

  • @Dannyduzit77
    @Dannyduzit77 3 роки тому +4

    TXG dropping great content. Thanks for all of your hard work.

  • @nadams97132
    @nadams97132 3 роки тому +4

    Very good test. I think it would be nice to see this done with steel iron shafts since Ian has talked about the quality issues he has seen with them.

  • @perfectjays
    @perfectjays 2 роки тому

    I know I’m late to the comments, but I really can’t say enough how much respect you have from myself and I assume all the other viewers with the fact you did this completely blind and tried to be as unbiased as possible. I love watching your videos and coming back and catch up on everything I’ve been missing.

  • @jonathanbrown9245
    @jonathanbrown9245 3 роки тому

    Total respect for giving and keeping this as honest a test as possible, no matter the result, hopefully we will see a budget AND average price shaft tested under the exact same conditions

  • @pipebliss
    @pipebliss 3 роки тому +2

    This speaks to the quality and consistency of Accra and why I play them in my irons.

    • @jbeebs1
      @jbeebs1 3 роки тому +2

      Or did Accra know what they were obviously going to do with both shafts and it was kind of a promotion for them indicating to the general public, “look how great our shafts are before having them pured”. It’s the skeptic in me, sorry! 😀

    • @pipebliss
      @pipebliss 3 роки тому

      @@jbeebs1 it's possible but I trust their integrity

  • @robertocontreras86
    @robertocontreras86 3 роки тому +1

    I myself just purchased a driver, 3, and 5 woods with SST puring...and my god. Best decision I've made. Thanks for this guys.

    • @mjbgolf1906
      @mjbgolf1906 3 роки тому

      What brand and model of shafts did you get Pure'd?

  • @thomashardiman3708
    @thomashardiman3708 3 роки тому

    Wow... I see a lot of golf gurus claiming to be independent.. this is the most genuine test I’ve seen on UA-cam ...other than the guys who test vacuum robots, can’t beat those guys but this was a close second!

  • @benross422
    @benross422 3 роки тому

    The winner in all this...Accra. incredible consistency. TXG continues to bust myths. The only way this could be improved is taking those two shafts and reversing which one is pured. That would rule out the infinitesimally small difference in raw material. I would imagine that at lower swing speeds the difference is even smaller

  • @benwintermute2804
    @benwintermute2804 3 роки тому +2

    This is fantastic, maybe my favorite video of yours and I watch a lot of them. I'd like to see you do this with the most popular stock shafts, maybe even annually to see if certain manufacturers have more tolerance issues or to pat them on the back for their great work. Thank you!

  • @jmalinee
    @jmalinee 3 роки тому

    I bought a set of AP1 712's with DG S400 that had the "spine and flo" treatment. The confidence that put in my head for a while was real. I realized that shaft wasn't right for me so they've long since been sold, but at the time I sure thought it helped. At least I swung them with more confidence.

  • @golf007sd2
    @golf007sd2 3 роки тому +1

    Evert club in may bag...beside my putter which has the BGT shaft on it....has been pured. I recommend it to everyone and those that care about their performance!

    • @ianfrasergolf
      @ianfrasergolf 3 роки тому

      Same with me!! Every club is pured apart from my stability tour.

  • @iCharlie93
    @iCharlie93 11 місяців тому

    Man that is one of the smoothest lefty swings I've seen. Great swing, great test, great unbiased video 💪

  • @edwardchan9204
    @edwardchan9204 3 роки тому

    This was such a highly demanded question. Even I reached out to TXG to ask the same question. It validates 1) top aftermarket shafts have the QC to rest easy and 2) it comes down to personal preference to Pure or not.

  • @stumpyslvr
    @stumpyslvr 3 роки тому

    Kudos to you for doing this test. Not many that offer the sst service would risk doing this test. I think that the initial quality of the shafts played a role in the outcome.I would like to see you mark the un-pured shaft and then pure it to see how close it is to the to the optimum alignment. I absolutely love the content that you guys continue to produce.

  • @zefolantar
    @zefolantar 3 роки тому +1

    It doesn’t hurt that Matty is such a pure ball-striker! He makes any shaft look good. Great video. Really enjoyed that! 👍👍

    • @wnstni
      @wnstni 2 роки тому

      bingo. hitting it "pure" off the face is the best thing you can do lol, not "pure-ing" the shaft.

  • @ericschroeder8932
    @ericschroeder8932 2 роки тому

    #Integrity Ian nails it at the end when he says a premium shaft doesn't need to be pured. I bought my TSi3 driver about 6 months ago, with the Tensei White Raw shaft. I asked the club repair/custom department at Roger Dunn if I could get it pured/spined. The guy looked at the shaft and told me, "you're good. You don't need to pure any club with a premium shaft."

  • @ianmcgaughey1
    @ianmcgaughey1 3 роки тому

    Best puring video out there. There's very little information on puring to the average golfer in terms of what it is and what it does for the player. I like that someone is finally putting out some quality content on this.

  • @curtvass6236
    @curtvass6236 3 роки тому +1

    Ian and Matt, you guys are fantastic. Your videos are so informative and instructional. I’ve seen topics covered that I’ve been wondering about for years. I just got a new set of irons and a new driver shaft. Decided to pay for Puring just on the quality control aspect but now I guess I didn’t really need to do it. I wish I was in Canada and would definitely arrange a fitting!!

  • @chrisbaseford
    @chrisbaseford 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the unbiased, objective test as always guys. Having been fit for a full bag at a few different well known fitters (not TXG, that'll be next ;). I was pitched SST Puring three separate times. The sales pitch ended the second I asked if the demo shafts had been Pured (they hadn't) and if it was so drastic of an improvement, why they used adjustable hosel adapters during fittings? It would be impossible to Pure a driver shaft that would then be oriented a different way to provide adjustments during the fitting. Got a few shoulder shrugs and it was never mentioned again. I'm not saying it doesn't help, but as a fitter, if you're going to charge that much premium, it needs to be factored into the fitting so the results can be seen/felt/measured. I'm a bit surprised that no one had a good response to that point.

    • @aliasErEf
      @aliasErEf Рік тому

      Sorry to blown away your balloon BUT I was fitted by TXG in Toronto last November (2022) and my new ACCRA shafts where > with a wonderful blue staple …..by them did’nt asked for it cause I just didn’t know the F….difference except the$ tag at the end. Was it worthy? I’ll tell you after intensive trials outdoor next summer. But there’s nothing like faith as they say. Mind you they > provided me for the first time in my golfing years exceptional and professional advices and recommendations on lessons, equipment etc. There’s the best you can buy period.
      X-mass from Montréal

  • @coegj
    @coegj 3 роки тому

    Now try this test on shafts that are ten years old or older, not the newest and best of today. That second test would show that there might very well be one heck of a difference, I know there is always one to two or more spines on each shaft from back in the day, and it made one big difference on the feel depending on where that spine was in the shafting of the golf shaft and said feel of the club in hand. Another test of much older shafts would also show the improvement of the shaft industry. Good test guys, thanks again.

  • @johnpaul9606
    @johnpaul9606 3 роки тому

    Matt is not only a good ball striker but his consistency and dispersion is amazing

  • @colebenson3594
    @colebenson3594 3 роки тому

    One thing to clarify: at 2:30 Ian says that the SST PURE claims 17 yards better dispersion, which is inaccurate. They claim a 17 foot tighter dispersion compared to a shaft that is intentionally suboptimally oriented. As Matty and Ian said, it doesn't necessarily make a shaft better but it does mitigate subotimal orientation relative to graphics placement. Thanks for a great video guys!

  • @sjdavies47
    @sjdavies47 3 роки тому +3

    Love to see this with a steel shaft that would come as 'standard' e.g. DG, PX or KBS

  • @donfisher6659
    @donfisher6659 2 роки тому

    Excellent video gentlemen, very well done. I would like to give you MY own personal experierne with spine and FLO alignment. As you know SST puring is just spine and FLO alignment done on a computer controlled machine.
    A few years ago I was testing two Cleveland Launcher Comp drivers on a launch monitor. One was in like NEW condition and one was well used. Both had the same factory S flex shaft, same 10.5* loft and same length overall. When I hit the club in excellent shape, I was getting a big SLICE every time. When I hit the beat up driver, I got a nice straight ball flight every time. I purchased both to do a test. When I got home, I pulled the shaft from the like new driver and did a spine and FLO alignment test on it. I then re-installed the shaft in the head and re-installed the grip. Then I went back to the golf shop and hit them both a second time. This time I hit the well worn driver the same as I did the first time I tested it. But when I hit the like new driver after aligning the shaft, the big SLICE was totally GONE. In it's place was a nice straight ball flight, just like what the well worn driver was giving me. The ONLY change was me doing a spine and FLO alignment on the shaft. When I purchased the two drivers I went home with one pretty driver that was a "complete" "Slice Machine" not worth having. The other dirver looked like a "piece of junk", but it was a "Fairway Finding Machine". After the shaft alignment work I had TWO drivers that would make most any golfer happy performance wise. One just looked like new and the other looked like crap. The pretty looking driver didn't perform, so it's easy to understand why it was in such great shape, it just didn't get used. The reason the ugly driver was so beat up was that it performed so much better and that meant it got lots of use.
    End of this story and I'll let you decide if shaft alignment is worth it or not. As a club maker of 18 years experience, I never install any shaft without doing a spine and FLO alignment on the shaft.

  • @freedomfighter5335
    @freedomfighter5335 2 роки тому

    As someone who has just switched to Accra shafts what jumps out at me from this test is the quality of these shafts whether pured or not are simply excellent.

  • @Alex-tl6vz
    @Alex-tl6vz 3 роки тому

    Love the double blind test. If you guys can figure out more of these type of double blind tests it would be so great for the channel and golf community from a scientific perspective.

  • @stevencrighton8755
    @stevencrighton8755 2 роки тому

    Would love to see the same test with stock shafts. A pleasant surprise to see this video pop up today.

  • @StripingIt
    @StripingIt 3 роки тому

    As always, a great video, guys. You both bring such authenticity to your reviewing process not only because of your knowledge and thoroughness, but also, and perhaps most importantly, because of your open-mindedness to the results being the results. Great job! The question I have is this:
    I seem to recall back in the day the PUREing process was called “spine and flow.” Which was due to the fact that steel shafts tended to have a seam where the rolled metal came together and was sealed to form the shaft. That spine being in various orientations to the swing path was, I believe, what was determined to be one cause of inconsistent ball flight from an otherwise more consistent swing due to varying deflection directions during the swing and/or at impact. Yes? Thus, “correcting” the alignment of that spine in relation to swing path is what helped to lessen the inconsistency in ball flight. (I think that’s how that worked.) And, if that’s more or less true, then over time this process evolved into what we know as PUREing today. But... that was then, and with steel shafts. As graphite came into the club making arena, I would imagine the formation process used to be somewhat similar to steel shafts in that the materials were still rolled and sealed down a seam. Today, however, I’m guessing that with “graphite” shafts, (in quotes because I think some might also contain composite materials, as well, these days), I’m wondering if the formation process has evolved to either greatly reduce the presence of a seam or “spine”, or eliminate it altogether? And, if so, could that be why these two shafts performed SO closely together even though one was PURE’d and the other not? Perhaps, with these higher-end non-steel materials, the formation process no longer creates a “condition” which a PUREing process would then be needed to “correct.” What do you both think about that? Or, am I totally off with what I’m asking here?
    Thanks for doing what you do, “lads”! And, keep up the great work!

  • @benkonecheck4
    @benkonecheck4 3 роки тому

    Awesome to see, agree with others. This should be a series to show the real value of Pure in lower end components. Thanks lads!

  • @davidramsay2173
    @davidramsay2173 3 роки тому

    Great testing,
    I’ve been wanting to see this for ages. I and my wife (she’s index 1.9) were fitted at SGGT in Edinburgh where our clubs were Pure’d. For us it’s the piece of mind that the build is as good as it can possibly be - then it’s just down to the muppet on the rubber end to do our thing. Hope your able to iron shafts (steel and graphite).
    Oh BTW we’re season ticket holders at Carnoustie and it brought tears to my eyes seeing the drives fly 100 yards past were mine go! WOW 😳

  • @kareemchallenger
    @kareemchallenger 3 роки тому

    I’m one who believe in pured shafts. I had my 3 wood fitted with a Ventus red and when we turned the shaft 180 degrees from the pured position my ball flight was much high and the spin kicked up quite a bit.

  • @mikaelstrandh4127
    @mikaelstrandh4127 3 роки тому +1

    This is brilliant! Such a great test lads, much appreciated! I don't need to tell you to keep up the great work, because I know you will. Awesome!

  • @Masera-T
    @Masera-T 3 роки тому

    Another fantastic video. Like many of the other comments - a great follow up would be to take the unpured shaft and see how close it was installed to the optimum by chance. A secondary follow up would be to make an adjustment to the pured one and see if there is an appreciable drop off in performance. My biggest worry is that I have 2 shafts being built at TXG with a new driver head and I wonder if it will be worse when I make an adjustment since they are being pured. This answered a lot of questions but raises a few more...

  • @aaron_b.
    @aaron_b. 3 роки тому +1

    I'd love to see one of the really lower price point steel iron shafts in a test like this, like Apollo or FST or something else that you'll more commonly get at a component website. 4 iron, 7 iron, wedge, something like that

  • @albertofernandez-sanguino3373
    @albertofernandez-sanguino3373 3 роки тому

    A few years ago managed to FLO a driver shaft. Unknown to me, it had already been Pured using SSTI.
    When analysed, the difference in shaft orientation between the two positions was less than 3 degrees...... Insignificant

  • @dudleycornman1624
    @dudleycornman1624 3 роки тому

    Back when spine aligning was coming on board, I read an article about Nicklaus. It said that he would take 15-20 brand new identical drivers to the range and start hitting them and sorting them. When he was done he would usually only have 1 or 2 drivers that he would want to use in competition. This was in the days of persimmon heads and steel shafts. It was thought that spine alignment was the major factor in his selection of the 1 or 2 out of 15 or 20... before anyone really knew about spine alignment.

  • @alburnett1775
    @alburnett1775 3 роки тому

    I had this done to a Haz Smoke shaft in an Epic driver and the FEEL was just outstanding and would totally back the sst pure for at least driver and fairway woods and since it is in a Callaway fitting system no matter what setting I use it will always be pured.

  • @callumjames3340
    @callumjames3340 3 роки тому +2

    Great video again boys, absolutely smashing the content as always.

  • @Pgdgolfer
    @Pgdgolfer 3 роки тому +5

    Nice test lads. Would the idea of pureing a set of iron shafts to be consistent across the set make more sense for the applicant of this tech? Hard to show in a video but see the benefits more so for non adjustable club builds

    • @clubchampionmedia
      @clubchampionmedia  3 роки тому

      that is a great application of shaft pureing, absolutely

  • @performancegolf5030
    @performancegolf5030 2 роки тому

    Club fitting is about balance and tempo. I believe this more and more as time goes by and I see more people.
    Having a shaft that reduces oscillation and performs consistently is a subconscious feeling and has a direct impact on consistency and repeatability for the golfer. Club fitting without a doubt affects a golfers swing and either helps it or hurts it.
    It is my personal belief after nearly 10 years of teaching all levels that tempo and balance are king. I mean that good mechanics can always be ruined by bad tempo and bad mechanics can be masked by a good tempo. Thus the fit and the shaft need to be as consistent as possible at all levels and should assist your tempo. Our body feels balance subconsciously and if a shaft is not consistently behaving then you're always left guessing. I have and do pure everything and it is massively noticeable. These technologies need to be tested across long time periods, only then can you see the real impacts. Just my personal 2 cents. Great vid guys, thanks for that.

  • @kourt2469
    @kourt2469 3 роки тому +4

    While Ian was opening the envelope I had flashbacks to middle school watching the Maury show where he would do his paternity tests with all the crazies on his tv show. Opens envelope........ "Dirty Dog........ you ARE NOT the father"

    • @cahal21
      @cahal21 3 роки тому

      Hahha man same here. So funny

  • @scottlee2404
    @scottlee2404 3 роки тому

    Best test from golf fitting review ever!!!
    I am very impressed on how honest you guys have been.
    Now..what about testing with lower quality shafts? Would they bring similar results?

  • @ROGERSWKS
    @ROGERSWKS 3 роки тому

    A really informative, unbiased video. I would like to see, as Ian mentioned, a PURE’ed shaft mounted 12-6 and also 3-9 to see if there’s any performance difference. Then deliberately offsetting at 1 o’clock, 2 o’clock etc. to test (if any) difference in performance and feel. Thanks TXG

    • @Rayceemon
      @Rayceemon 3 роки тому

      I like your thinking. I'd also be very interested in comparing these four mounting settings. One Professor who has done independent testing
      said they only noticed a slight benefit at around the 2 o'clock position.
      Would be a worthwhile test to see if there is anything to this, and
      to see if mid-level shafts and OEM offerings benefit more than
      from PURE'ing than the new high-end shafts like the ones Accra
      was so nice to provide.

  • @craignelson5689
    @craignelson5689 3 роки тому

    Fascinating result that seems to confirm what Ian's said on previous lives, that puring might not be necessary for singleton premium shafts, like for your driver. I'd really love to see what puring does across a set of iron shafts - say take a PX 6.5 or X100 pure vs unpure at PW, 7i and 4i and compare across the board. This convinced me that spending the $ to pure a $$$ shaft probably isn't worth it, but I'm waiting to be convinced that $$ to pure 7x $ shafts is :)

  • @kevalmehta8503
    @kevalmehta8503 3 роки тому

    Great show. One most custom fitting customers want to see.

  • @JC-eq7jx
    @JC-eq7jx 3 роки тому +1

    I have had shafts Pure’d in the past. I recall breaking a 7 iron shaft that was replaced but NOT Pure’d and I swear I could feel the difference. Is it worth it? If you think that spending £500 for a Driver, or £3000 for a set of PXG irons is acceptable, then I recommend getting your shafts Pure’d. If you want to be the best you can, then get the best you can!!! Simple.

  • @christopherbade5386
    @christopherbade5386 3 роки тому +12

    Can we go to the extreme and pure shaft 2? I’d like to see how far it was from its “pure’d” location. After, can we build the shaft 180 degrees from its pure location and run the test again?

    • @dekkker
      @dekkker 3 роки тому +3

      agree that would be a fair follow-up test. Accra has a very high quality control and the question is how far off Pure were either to start with.

    • @mozzarella3416
      @mozzarella3416 3 роки тому +1

      This is exactly what I was thinking too. I may not understand the physics entirely, but my thought is a shaft is pure at, let’s say, 0 degree rotation from a line directly perpendicular to the club face, or parallel to the swing path. Is a shaft at its absolute worst and most opposite position of pure when it is rotated 90 degrees in either direction? Does rotating it 180 degrees produce the same result or is it different somehow? And is any amount of rotation away from 0 the same as being rotated 90, and the answer is it’s either pured, or it’s not?

    • @duganfr
      @duganfr 2 роки тому

      From my understanding. Playing the shaft with the spine plays softer than against the spine (180°)

  • @drydunk
    @drydunk 3 роки тому +5

    What determines the installation position of the sleeve on an adjustable driver shaft? Standard loft and lie along the spine? Would PUREing the shaft to a players loft and lie profile be beneficial?

  • @Mackaygolf
    @Mackaygolf 3 роки тому

    Literally been waiting for this for a couple years. Great work boys!

  • @biggregg5
    @biggregg5 3 роки тому

    Im with many of the others. Do this same test with budget shafts like Apollo, FST, or house brand type shafts. I'm convinced that puring definitely can't hurt, and may help, but I've had my doubts that a misaligned spine on a shaft would so quickly make a shaft go wonky considering the force of a swing.

  • @chrisjung609
    @chrisjung609 3 роки тому

    Would like to see shaft 2 pured now after to see whether or not it was in the pured position. Maybe I pure both shafts and have one in the proper position and one in a not so proper position. But as you stated, with technology today most high end shafts tolerances are super tight. You get what you pay for. Great video!!

  • @real_Leo_Chang
    @real_Leo_Chang 3 роки тому +1

    Well, I just wasted over $400, wished you would have done this last year.. save me a solid penny.. great video, always wanted to know if it was a gimmick.. now we know

  • @bsmith4u2
    @bsmith4u2 7 місяців тому +1

    As he stated, Puring/FLO probably does more for the cheaper stock shafts than top of the line, quality shafts. Does that make sense?

  • @scottgilmour8948
    @scottgilmour8948 3 роки тому +3

    Never heard anyone call a shot handsome. I look forward to using that saying next season just to see the boys reaction to it hahaha

  • @davidlewisTN
    @davidlewisTN 3 роки тому

    Great to see. Club Champion really pushes Pure.

  • @BobBob-nr3lq
    @BobBob-nr3lq 3 роки тому

    Got fitted for a driver and when it turned up at my door I noticed that it had been pured. Never asked for it to be but apparently it’s what that fitting centre does to all shafts. Apart from the wee blue sticker on the shaft I don’t notice any difference even when changing the loft sleeve around 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @ryandavis7616
    @ryandavis7616 3 роки тому

    I guess what would be the holdup for me is, if you’re in the bay demoing clubs/shafts and the demo isn’t PURE’d I’d have a hard time seeing a benefit if that’s the best club/shaft combo on a given day. Another great video!

  • @michaelclementi727
    @michaelclementi727 3 роки тому

    Great video I think when you PURE a shaft it helps the person who doesn't swing as consistent as your partner I know it has helped me an I am only a 10 handicap keep up the great videos guys

  • @joshuamoon1430
    @joshuamoon1430 3 роки тому

    Long overdue but worth it. Well done.

  • @mulvihillmatt
    @mulvihillmatt 3 роки тому

    Love this video. Between this and the “made for vs aftermarket” video you’re helping people make informed decisions. Thanks for all the work!

  • @adavis8423
    @adavis8423 3 роки тому +1

    I always have heard the shaft puring was just to have the "feel" be consistent throughout the bag, so you had to do all of them. Probably, had a larger impact in the past when quality controls were more loose.

    • @humorss
      @humorss 3 роки тому

      this is likely true, when you bend a lot of shaft just by hand, you can tell some orientation bend less then other. If its just one club it makes no difference and the single defection in the swing is always straight unless the shaft is complete garbage (I haven't tried a lot of complete garbage, they could deflect straight aswell).

  • @JustinMcHenry
    @JustinMcHenry 3 роки тому

    I love the honesty. I always knew I could trust you guys but this proved it. I would love to see the test done with a shaft you know is inconsistent to see if it effects performance.

    • @canyonaro
      @canyonaro 3 роки тому

      This mainly proves that Accra sent TXG two very consistent shafts. I enjoyed the video but it didn't really tell me what I want to know. Results of CPM differences along the different axes of a single shaft is more indicative than this test.
      Even so, if they're different it only means the shaft will play a little softer or firmer based on turning it. I've felt this with a driver shaft in a previous driver. Changing the loft setting made the shaft feel a little different. But I've never seen any evidence that the process actually makes it better unless you're trying to precisely CPM match shafts through an iron set to keep feel as consistent as possible iron to iron.

  • @thevoicethatis
    @thevoicethatis 3 роки тому

    Great test! What this test means to me is Accra makes a consistent driver shaft. I have them installed in my drivers.

  • @frankyang7958
    @frankyang7958 3 роки тому

    That's a great video. It just goes to show starting with good quality material makes the world of difference.

  • @jguitar29
    @jguitar29 3 роки тому

    Matt not sure check the video... but I think the straighter shots you don’t stay at the top of your swing as long... great video as usual

  • @MacGasco
    @MacGasco 3 роки тому

    You also had more warm up and flow by the second shaft and if you strike the first shots pure you gain instant confidence

  • @grahameturner7415
    @grahameturner7415 3 роки тому

    Yes to a mini series. Very interesting content as always guys

  • @stanleychun5989
    @stanleychun5989 3 роки тому

    is awesome. this is the video that have been wanting to watch for the longest time. thank you!

  • @jessperez1251
    @jessperez1251 3 роки тому

    Just received my new clubs from Club Champion and I did pay the $30/shaft for the Puring. There was no additional charge for the driver or woods which is interesting given they do Pure them too. Their explanation is graphite shafts are typically within acceptable range as-is. So, sounds like the steel shaft tests will produce more interesting results.

  • @greyboxb
    @greyboxb 3 роки тому

    Very nice test. I think high end driver shafts should be consistent no matter how they are aligned to work with adjustable drivers. The biggest question is to me on steel iron shafts.

  • @chrisfreitag2603
    @chrisfreitag2603 3 роки тому

    Superb test. It does suggest, excellent quality control on Accra’s part as well as excellent quality of build from TXG plus great ball striking from Matt, perhaps it’s not a surprise that very little difference was seen. Although sample size was small, I’d still lean to having my shafts pured.

  • @Jjwalways70
    @Jjwalways70 2 роки тому

    Saw this myth busted by a club maker using 2 identical clubs using different handicaps of golfers and the results were the same ,absolutely no difference ,shaft quality being equal from any of the major shaft companies these days are not like they were 20 years ago the quality control is so much better and so are the base ,materials . I wouldn’t bother purring or splining , a shaft flexes once in any given swing ,it doesn’t oscillate or spring back and forwards . Doesn’t matter what it does after it hits the ball once on any given swing once again you boys have excelled in your content .

  • @bonose12
    @bonose12 3 роки тому

    Well done Matt! You were the iron Byron! This brings up interesting question of does a pured shaft improve swings to impact or give better contact on slight mis hits. Also, on high end shafts you sell, is the quality so high you’re not really going to see much difference? Certainly it doesn’t hurt and a competition player would want this done. Seems like this would be great for finding outliers. Do all your customer builds get this done to their shafts? Truly enjoyed this lads.

  • @aaronmccardie8795
    @aaronmccardie8795 3 роки тому

    Just this minute clicked on as this was one of the questions I asked a while ago, does it work ,can it make a difference, does it work in the modern day driver sleeve and is it worth the time effort and money. I shall watch in anticipation to see what ian says.

  • @shaneducholke364
    @shaneducholke364 3 роки тому +1

    Great video.... would love to see this same test on a $150-$200 shaft or one of most common budget upgraded shafts you sell. It would be interesting to see not if it makes a difference in those shaft levels, but how much of a difference.

    • @everardogolf
      @everardogolf 2 роки тому

      This for sure. My understanding is that Accra shafts already have some QC that keeps them more consistent than others.

  • @squeezeprod
    @squeezeprod 3 роки тому

    WOW!!! This was a great video. You did bring up a valid discussion though. You tested a very high end shaft and though Puring the shaft showed minimal variance, could you do a puring video with lower priced graphite shaft and see if there is any difference. Like you said, the quality of a $500 dollar shaft is different from a $100 shaft. Keep up the great work.

  • @mjbone23
    @mjbone23 3 роки тому +2

    So now, you should pure shaft 1 and see how it was installed.... and now we gotta see Tour Issue x100s, pure vs unpure