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History of Doom Patrol
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Today on Variant, Arris is back from his medical quarantine to talk about the comic book History of the Doom Patrol! And Tim wears a Hazmat suit just in case.
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The actress who plays rita, is so good. Plays a great part
I loved her from the Two and Half Men.
@@janiththarinduheenatigala4374and i loved her on how i met your mother
The TV show really did justice to this underrated band of lovable weirdos but let’s be honest the reason we watched it was cause Brendan Fraiser was Robotman !!!
I'm not even going to lie
Absolutely
I’ll love Brendan forever. No shame
Very true
Though I love Brendan Fraiser, I was there just for the series itself#
I love Robot man’s design. So simplistic and timeless
Reminds me of Thing (Ben Grimm)
The doom patrol show doesnt have the same opinion
@@PrimateSoul hmm interesting. What you mean by retro?
Nice panda picture
@@niftyskates85 I think he means Robotman is offline, while Cyborg is online.. one can be hacked, the other doesn't.
The Doom Patrol is very underrated in my opinion.
Agreed they don't have that many good runs by different writer or storylines
The 2017 Graphic Novels vol 1&2 is probably the best thing I read the past 2 years.
Sup my dude
Nah they just suck
The Otaku Dragon Slayer That’s your opinion.
Thanks to Teen Titans 2003. They made me love The Doom Patrol.
The original lineup of Doom Patrol matches up pretty close to the original Fantastic Four. Robot Man/The Thing, monster with great strength. Elasti Girl/Mr Fantastic, stretching ability and Negative Man/Human Torch, becoming a flying fiery being. No invisible being, but The Chief was a mostly unseen member of the group.
And Beast Boy predates Franklin a bit as the child of the group
90s kids will remember the original upload
Yess
We do lol
@@Nothing72342 Arris himself stated in the comments section that they had to rectify a *technical issue*
Yes
The way you described how The Chief organized the "accidents" that led to their powers kind of reminds me of Mr. Glass from the Unbreakable trilogy.
I like how when Marvel steals from another company it’s just “inspiration” but when another company steals from Marvel then they’re just stealing.
the Doom Patrol comic existed before X-Men :P
why can't we enjoy both Marvel and DC? there's movies and shows I like and don't like from both universes.
Daniel K You’re off topic as hell
@@j-money2295 what about it is offtopic? he wrote about Marvel and DC stealing from each other...
I have never heard of anybody say that lol.
I love the DC live action of Doom Patrol. The live action series is what made me want to read Doom Patrol comics.
Brendan Fraser Robot Man & Diane Guerro's Crazy Jane are my personal favorites.
Guys do you notice crazy Jane's entire character is like Charles Xavier's son legion? Variant did his origin, go check it out.
Samuel Chesney Thank you for pointing that out, it's exactly what I was thinking. I was thinking "Hey Crazy Jane sounds a lot like Legion, how can anyone compare this to the X-Men? lol"
@@toddthesweatynerdguy1450 exactly what i was thinking why compare lol.
There only kinda different because crazy janes personality help cope with her trauma each one serves a purpose to help her
@@darkmagicianmagi8237 interesting
I thought that too
How do you not talk about Danny the Street.
devbyrd1 IM SAYING RIGHT
Danny the Street is a f***ing talking street that make him so cool
@@unknownbenefactor8029 SO true, he once become the entire world.
@@nickojames93 Danny Za Warudo
Hahah I thot that to like tf
I actually like the Doom Patrol, with Mento, as a member of the team. On the basis that I first saw that specific Doom Patrol incarnation with Mento, in the Teen Tiants series of 2003.
Beast boy was also a member.
@@barrybend7189 Yeah I also know. That's how I discovered he, was also on another team before the Teen Titans.
I kinda do as well but I have learned that Mento is kind of an asshole in the comics. Like, he was just a little stubborn in the show but in the comics he sounds downright abusive.
I remember reading the original Doom Patrol when they introduced Mento and Beast boy. The background story for beast boy was a good bit different from the current . I enjoyed the original series back then but want to see how the current tv show compares.
@CherryLee HartLey right. I just prefer mento & the team with Beast Boy. Oppose to the new incarnation of the team.
Doom Patrol live series is the best thing DC has done in a while. Since they are canceling Titans, I wonder will Beast Boy be making a return to Doom Patrol? Having Gar back would be golden...
A 10 min vid without ads except for the one I got at the beginning bless you dude I hope you still get money
I saw the first episode today. I found the backstories well done.
Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol is one of the greatest comics ever.
I have all three books of his Doom Patrol run. I can't wait to start reading them. I watched the pilot episode, and I really enjoyed it.
My jam and my jelly, the omnibus takes pride of place on my bookshelf.
Definitely. I love them.
Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol run is my favorite comic. I describe it as "wonderfully weird".
What a Coincidence I got a ad for the show
Redestroyer640 oh hey same
M3 too
Same
Same
Indeed!!! Me to
Doom patrol looks interesting.
I liked the "doom patrol go", the teen titans go RIP off in young justice
😂Really
*LET'S GO DIE!*
Same here. I am pretty sure that was in reference to the team dying to save Codsville in the original run because that is about the only time I can think of where Chief, Negative Man, Elastigirl and Robotman "died" in the comics so that seems like the mission they were going to die on.
Let's just leave Go! to Cartoon Network
DC has too many group.
Fun fact, Timothy Dalton played Brendan Fraser's father in Looney Tunes Back in Action.
rishav roy So this a sequel 😉?
Ohh, I totally forgot about that lol. Fucking life, crazy man.
Got instant Flashbacks of Looney Toons where Steve Martin kept unzipping himself and when I first saw the Chief on the 1st Episode. :)
That was one of the funniest movie ive ever seen.
So Crazy Jane is straight up DC's version of Legion
The way they did Cliff Steele in the Pilot was so good and so sad at the same time
I have an issue from the '60's where they faced off with the AVM man. It was hysterical! At one point The Chief tells NegMan to bring a bucket of water. "Water!" Robot Man said. "Chief, if we get out of this, I'll buy you a beer!" Classic.:)
The pilot episode was so much fun, and if the rest of the season is anything like the premiere episode, we're in for one hell of a show, people!
Doom Patrol became one of the best TV shows and it's now going to the 2nd season and it promises to be even better.
The TV series streamed by DCs service is amazing, and I recommend checking it out. Character driven, great acting, and actual character growth. It’s great.
I've been sleeping on this Gem for 3 years and in less than a couple of days I am almost caught up to season 3. I cannot get enough of Doom Patrol and the entire cast, directing, cinematography, and costume designs. This has become one of my all time favorite shows of all time. DC has been putting out some fantastic work these last few years. The pieces are all finally coming together and I am loving every minute of it.
60's comic science is the best. Thin strips of cloth contain radiation. Did we really know nothing before the space race?
Hey, we had Star Wars after the Moon Landing.
Thin strips of cloth actually can contain radiation. If they are properly sealed, and tied against eachother.
There was an old sci-fi radio show called X-1. In one episode there was a nuclear war that caused the atmosphere to ignite, turning the Earth into a lifeless rock. Imagine my shock when I found out that at the time the episode was aired, this was a viable theory among scientists until they gained a better understanding of nuclear reactions.
In the comics and the show Niles Caulder makes the cloth, it's custom made and can "prevent radiation from getting out"
In other words, Negative Man is wearing cloth that can prevent his radiation from getting through.
So The Chief is super surgeon that saved Steel by puting Steel's brain in robot body but The Chief himself can't do anything on his cripled legs?
So Why is some eyes surgeon still wearing glasses, instead of fix their own eyes? Dumb questions
Because, comic books...
Have you ever tried operating on yourself?
I predict this will be the best live action comic book show of all time
We just got a show on them I wouldn't bet on it yet although I will say this it better be better than Titans cuz that TV series sucked hopefully it second season is better hopefully
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
Saying something is better than something that sucks doesn't really help
I watched the Pilot episode and honestly Doom Patrol alone is worth the DC universe subscription but it could also be the DC speaking in me. Nevertheless the show is definitely not half bad, and imo is better filmed, written and has better music than Titans. I feel like I got my moneys worth with this one.
The first episode was very good
Scarecrow7 It looks really good but I doubt it’ll be better than daredevil, legion, and the punisher
The Teen Titans animation did have the participation of the Doom Patrol in beginning of the second season, the Brotherhood of Evil was also introduced as the villains of that arc.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the episode of the teen titans cartoon where beast boy teams up with the doom patrol
luis villasenor or the new season of young Justice where beast boy is stuck in his mind and he's remembering that they died
Doom Patrol is one of my FAVORITE teams in ALL OF COMICS
Also I think Cyborg being part of the team is good, his character plays perfect with the Doom Patrols motive
CRAZY JANE = LEGION
Parker Caligiuri you mean the horde from split??
Parker Caligiuri She reminded me of Legion too
Ikr
Right
But legion show sucks you can't compare it to DOOM PATROL this show is funny & epic ahaha I almost laughed to death today watching this show
They chose a good time to release this show; since all the X-Men films are in development hell and it gives Doom Patrol a chance to breathe and distinguish themselves.
Always found them more realistic than X-Men, as in why they're all living together, they're all too odd-looking to be living among normal people, because they risk their own safety and occasionally everyone else's. Whereas X-Men just have obsessive racists, and it always confused me; how come Mutants are hated but Spider-Man's fine? Etc.
Heck, if I was in the Marvel universe; I think I'd have more of an issue with the fact that you have this guy taking multiple confused, angsty teenage mutants to live in the same house with each other, pretending it's a school when it's really more of a front for a private military group consisting of mutants. Like Professor X is scouting for child soldiers to fly his blackbird or something.
Meanwhile Doom Patrol have a perfectly valid reason for crashing out in a mansion. It's just as sketchy how the Chief makes them fight (although that's not really the case in the show thus far, he's more or less scolding them for being so eager to fight and expose themselves to the world), but the group itself has more mature members and you can understand they don't really have a choice, compared to most mutants who need a slight deal of training for their powers but can otherwise pass as ordinary humans.
And damn, forgot Incredibles ripped off the name Elastigirl too, as well as the general premise of the Fantastic Four.
"..how come Mutants are hated but Spider-Man's fine? How come they love Thor but not Storm? Fantastic Four acceptable but X-men no?" It's because of the premise that mutants are essentially going to wipe out non-mutated humans by virtue of evolution. Super-powered humans are still humans (yeah, that's pretty thin ice but there ya go..) And Marvel kind of addressed the whole issue of super-powered humans being a threat with the Civil War story line.
Regarding the Xavier school being a school in case you're not big on the X-Men, Charles' school is a real school with a curriculum and everything, just with p.e. that's focused on how to control mutant powers, and an ethics class teaching kids that humans can be racist dicks, but shouldn't be eliminated because that would make them Nazis.
But yeah, The X-Men ripped off the Doom Patrol.
p.s. I'm more of an X-Men fan than anything else. I had never heard of the Doom Patrol till a few years ago, and while it made me "conflicted" for a spell, the fact that DC have been ripping-off each other for decades reconciled everything for me. ;)
@@heidiheidiho6412 who said I wasn't big on the X-Men? I love the X-Men, grew up with the animated series, first game I owned was X-Men Legends and it still holds up today, and I like how they have a matching uniform while Doom Patrol has a lot of clashing colours in their individual costumes which is kind of an eyesore. I was just always confused by how they copped so much flak in-universe while every other super-powered character was more or less accepted by the public.
Though I was forgetting about them replacing homo sapiens, kind of like they're dying off, so my bad. I guess it makes sense that the majority of heroes in the Marvel universe are human, even mutates like Deadpool, Hulk, Fantastic Four, technically Daredevil and Spider-Man.
And my bad again, forgot about Civil War, ages since I read it.
Not as if they're all universally loved either but I can understand more with cases like Hulk because he looks threatening in addition to being a threat, or Deadpool because he's unhinged and looks threatening without the mask (especially Ultimate Deadpool), or Spider-Man because he wears a face-concealing mask and that's at least the reason Jameson hates him so much.
Although I hadn't heard of Doom Patrol until recently (probably about 5 years ago) but I instantly thought it made more sense for them to require a safe place to live than the majority of X-Men who pass for human. I mean Nightcrawler needs a place like the X-Mansion (except for in X-Men Evolution where he has that disguise thing), Cyclops needs it, moreso because he can't control his power, but the majority of X-Men only need some tutelage in how to ccontrol their power and they should be able to live amongst average people, nobody should be able to tell they're a mutant just from looking at them.
Unlike the Doom Patrol who simultaneously have potentially destructive powers and look a certain way that prevents them from living with normal people. Not forgetting back in the 60s that the only employment opportunity for odd-looking people was to join a freak show and face humiliation while making very little profit. Can't imagine a lot of X-Men in that position, mainly only Beast or Nightcrawler, Angel can hide his wings to an extent. Heck, Blob was in a freak show in the original comic but only because he repeatedly demonstrated the freakish ability to make bullets bounce off of him, people didn't really even care that he was fat or had a face like a smashed pie.
And yes, it's a school with real curriculum and important lessons towards mutant-human relations and it gives mutants a safe place to live, no denying that, but you know a school with an underground tunnel system and military-grade technology probably wouldn't go down that well, it's suspicious, and I could understand that as the reason why people in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men, because they say they're all about peaceful interractions and harmony between mutants and humans and teaching mutants to control their powers and giving them a sanctuary; but they have a war room.
I mean, The Brotherhood are terrorists; but at least they're honest about it, they don't pretend to be a restaurant.
@Rex Truth That's make even less sense, how can a human differentiate between a super powered human and mutant. If anything that's more reason for humans to have the same visceral detest they have for mutants, for super humans as well. Not only are they being replaced by mutants from an evolutionary point of view but numbers further are dwindling down by humans acquiring mutant like abilities. They can't accurately tell the difference.
If you know anything about human nature we are judgemental and hateful. Alot people especially today only see race not a person ethincity or even nationality.
The Civil War storyline mutants were never invloved, super powered being threat was forgotten never truly had any real consequences. In a nutshell its stupid, but due Marvel universe being around for so long people have just accepted it for what it is.
Thats why even biggest X-men fans have eluded that the storylines has always felt separate from the rest of the Marvel universe for that reason those stories were good and highly regarded.
@Rex Truth That was nothing to with same discrimination that mutants have faced. Civil War was about the damage super powered people can do, they still had choice to live relatively safe and peaceful life by joining Iron Man side. Once the storyline was over everything returned to the stasus quo.
Keep in mind mutants never had the same consideration and mercy super powered had during Civil War. Plus its never been consistent or believable.
@Rex Truth It's not same as the discrimination that mutants face though, that's why most times there stories are separate
The Misfits and outcasts of DC are The Legends of Tomorrow and Doom Patrol
Happy you are back! But Tim was cool lol!
Glad to see you back and feeling better. Thanks for the info.
Love the series so far. Really intriguing
June 12 2019.. The must trustfull DC history in tv. Go DC!!!!
The original X-men
Wrong doom patrol is ripoff fantastic four. 😡🖕
Facts?🖕
Christopher Nava it’s not a fact since their stories and origins are way too different to be ripped of from Fantastic4.
@@Qthetar well the character s wre a huge ripoff.
Christopher Nava Fantastic Four was inspired by the Justice Society of America.
Hi Variant Comics, I always enjoyed watching all your videos, trivial, origins, history any kind of Comics... it was like watching a digital encyclopedia all day 👌👍
I loved the show, and I’m loving season 2 so far
The Doom patrol TV series on DC TV. Is amazing. And the writers made each character a tragic origin. Robotman and elastigirl have such tragic stories . So does cyborg. I would have to say. I like the tv cyborg better than the jla cyborg.
Elastigirl made no sense to me
@@ok-or2ro I forgot lol. Shouldve asked me 8 months ago
imo Crazy Jane's story is by far the saddest. Like, the other 3 had their lives ruined by accidents that gave them their powers, but their lives before the accidents were fine- obviously they all had their baggage, but nothing especially horrible. Jane on the other hand was broken well before getting powers. Her life was so shitty her psyche literally couldn't take it and broke in order to protect herself. The powers are just icing on the top.
Now if you say that what are you going to say about Dynamite Entertainment on The Boys
I like tv costume of negative man
yes love the channel
I would love to see an Umbrella Academy video. I know they have a few changes from the comics to ground it more in modern reality but it would still be good to see a history of.
Man, I just love the energy of this channel.
Paul Kupperberg’s run on Doom Patrol is underrated, it’s great.
its kind of useless haveing Cyborg on the team if you already have Robotman
Both are, well, cyborgs, but Cyborg's powers are vastly different from Robotman's. Robotman is mostly centered on strength and whatnot, but Cyborg can interface with virtually any technology, create sonic cannons, etc.
Gotta toss a black man in all movies these days or you labeled racist or dont you know?
the last emperor what exactly are you implying though ? Black people shouldn’t be in films ? I understand questioning Cyborgs placement but what I got from your statement was “Yeah, he’s in the film/show but Black people are always put in just to please the audience”
@@camron147 i would think he means that if (insert any series) doesn't have black people there will be those who then say that the show is rasist. (i know it's stubit thing but it happens all the time)
camron147 the last emperor does have a legit point. why else put replace BeastBoy w/used farm equipment?
Flex Mentalo! Hero of the beach! 💪🏾
Straight up a amazing show! I love it!
I loved the first episode. Can’t wait to see where the series goes.
I've always wanted a Doom Patrol\ X-Men, or a Doom Patrol\ Fantastic Four team-up. It could be set in the early years of both teams.
Grant Morrison’s doom patrol is amazing. The fact none of them really wanna be heroes is what i love. Also red jack is one of the best villain designs i have ever seen.
I love the quirky quality of the Doom Patrol, have many of the original issues, and cherish them, I've never read one except for the last one where they all die.
I didnt know anything about Doom Patrol before today, when i watched the DCU series premier and now this... Holy shit, they did a great job of punching up their origin stories. The changes they made look to have really deepened and sharpened the tragic nature of these characters over the original stories.
It's the Original X-Men!
History of Alita from Battle Angel Alita.
Did you saw the movie cause it was really good!
@@dominiquepowell3158 not yet but I want to. I don't have the money to see it.
Go read the manga.
Is great.
@@mainro1371 I have I just want some more people to know about Alita.
It manga not comics. 😡
Thanks, this answered a lot of questions I had.
DC has done a marvelous job
The 60’s 😂😂 a wacky time
I really enjoyed Grant morrison's run. It felt like it should be the definitive version because it felt so Iconic in it's levels of weirdness but I'm sure some would disagree.
I also preferred the angle of each character embracing their humanity to overcome the human experiences that they lack due to their differences.
Shawn Martel Grant Morrison's run IS the definitive version as far as I'm concerned.
The guy behind the cam is so great !! XD
Watched all of S1-S2 this week. Really great.
After watching the Doom Patrol pilot I would love to see a Krazy Jane spin-off show.
OG X-men vs OG Doom Patrol
If you include Chief and Charles then it gets trickier since I imagine with prep time, Chief could whip something up to deal with Charles' telepathy but without it, he and the rest of them would be rather screwed but if you exclude the leaders then I'd say Doom Patrol because while the OG X-Men do out number them, I imagine that Robot Man has enough durability and strength to deal with Beast and Cyclops, Elasti-Girl could grow to the size of a building and stomp on them and Negative Man could just release his Negative Spirit which in the first series was routinely stated to go faster than light. Of course, this is assuming its the OG groups with their original power levels, if its just the original members with their current powers then OG X-Men because they have the Phoenix who would wipe them out in a second. That's my assumption on this matchup.
X-men win
XMEN wins with omega levels mutants.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins you actually have a detailed and reasonable explanation, props to you
@@MysteriousTomJenkins with wolverine in his prime
Been watching the series, and it is fantastic!
Just finished the series and im devastated.
Why is the show like this.
Hmmm Elastagirl Eh... Where have I heard that name before?
incredible
The Original X-men.
B..s... doom patrol is ripoff fantastic four. 😡🖕
Facts?🖕
Christopher Nava Fantastic 4 is a ripoff of Challengers of the unknown
Christopher Nava hey idiot get your own facts right 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Christopher Nava facts 🖕🖕🖕🖕
Very underrated they’re probably my favorite super hero team
It brings warmth to my heart to hear that they are bringing back the doom patrol and the wonder twins
I grew up on x men but after watching doom patrol there neck and neck as my favorite foreal i love the show
I must say, Doom Patrol premier is amazing and great, better than Titans. I am intrigue by the show now. But how it will connect to Titans? Etrigan is free in the finale. Did he is defeated?
i think you mean Trigon not Etrigan !!
Honestly don't expect much interaction (plots wise) between the multiple titles of the DCU stream service like they do on the CW shows, the latter is able to do it because most shooting schedules match since they shot it in the same place (when they don't match, they don't participate like Legend's of Tomorrow not being on the last Crossover), but specially because since the Cinematic Universe kind of imploded, they'll probably approach this one with a more "comics continuity" kind of thing (like they are doing with Aquaman, Shazam and WW84 on the movies universe), where main plots of one doesn't really take effect on the other titles (actually CW already do that, and only as a probable after thought mix the crazy plots, like Flashpoint changing Diggle's child gender) except when it is a main crossover thing, BUT episode 2 of Doom Patrol do have a quick easter egg of Superboy and Kripto on it, well "Superboy and Krypto", the easter egg actually says "Naked man with dog" but considering Titans last scene, potato potato.
Glad to have you back
Love your videos man
Really? Just skipping over the young animal run. At least it was included in the reading recommendations
Crazy Jane sounds a lot like Legion...
Welcome back Aris! Glad all is well!
Ive watched and love the Documentary on how Batman TAS was created and I would love one for this show.. it took some out of the box conceptualist and some awesome higher ups to set this show in motion and im forever thankful
This question is on a minor point, but why did you describe Elasti-girl as a cross between 'Ant-Man' and 'Mister Fantastic' and not 'The Atom' and 'Plastic Man', being that The Doom Patrol are DC characters?
can you do a video on crazy jane i want to know all her powers
Love variant and love that mysterious superhero background music 💪
I knew nothing about the characters nor who was in it…was just looking through CraveTV and saw it said “based on the comics”, so checked it out and fell in love and my favorite show ever now!!!
Where’s our umbrella academy history?
Doom Patrol > Umbrella Academy. (+)
@@elplebeuchiha1996 dont compare, both are worked on by the same guy, Gerard Way. He also said DP is his inspiration for Umbrella Academy.
Sharil Shahed I just wanted him to do that because of the Netflix show coming out
@@elplebeuchiha1996 I wonder, why compare? To tell dc is better than the others?
El Plebe Uchiha I disagree
You are going to be avenge
TIM WILL RETURN
Negative man has always been my favorite of the doom patrol
Thank God you’re back buddy!!!
Doom patrol is better than X-Men
X-Men are away more popular than doom patrol.
I would rather have memento instead of cyborg
"Happy 60th Birthday" to the original World's Strangest Heroes!
Fun Comic Fact: The Robotman we see now... ISN'T the first Robotman. The First Robotman appeared during the time of the Justice Society of America in "All-Star Squadron" comics in the 1940's. His name was Robert Crane.
Now you just said since then when they showed up in the new 52 we haven't seen that much of them in the comic books what about the young animal run I have volume 1 and 2? Just a bit confused
That's in an imprint so not in the canon universe
It actually is in the canon universe. They crossover with the Rebirth JLA during the "Milk Wars" event and it all happens in the same universe: Prime Earth.
@@Kyran1996 really? Interesting. thanks for the info
@@gabrielidusogie9189 well besides they recently crossed over and their volume 3 is milk Wars as Superman Batman and Wonder Woman are in it will basically young animal is in it with the main DC Universe does make them Cannon. They also refer back to some of their old stories as well that took place in the DC Universe. My main point even if it was its own thing still stands we still see stuff with Doom Patrol consistently going to this day. After their new 52 showing we still see a current comic with them
Doom Patrol always kind of reminded me of FF4 too.
Thank you for agree with me.
Robotman and Thing very similar in Design.
@@Hilversumborn And story... Both have unwanted power and miss their old lives.
Christopher Nava get your facts 🖕🖕🖕🖕
To be honest, the first time I've heard of the doom patrol was in the new 52. Looking forward to the show!
The characters have always been interesting. Show turned out nicely.
Who's excited for Stargirl?
I really hope Netflix gets the doom patrol on there website.😣
Since they are cutting ties with Disney (or Disney actually cutting ties with them) and they already have the rights for international distribution of Titans, I believe the show will be there in 3 months or so everywhere but in the United States.
@@SilasMendes3 makes sense
@javier guy I can't it's only available in America.😣
I was waiting for this from Mr Arris Quinones. Thanks Nerd Brother! I never really cared about this team until the Grant Morrison run.