I'm really happy you're noticing and appreciating how the underwater segments give certain creatures more depth and even show them in a different light, besides giving water a second chance in modern gen and seeing old underwater monsters come back, it would also open the door to create new menacing monsters in the water
The main reason why I want underwater combat to return is because it makes the world feel complete. Having monsters that fly in the sky, monsters that roam the lands and monsters that dwell in the depths is just so awesome ^^
the logical extention is aerial fights... but outside of jetpacks (unlikely), hanging off of Wingdrakes (they would hurl you off if you unsheathed your weapon) or an Airship (most likely option), that wouldn't really be possible
Fair warning: Egg Quests are not a single quest. They tended to be a series of quests that get harder and more ridiculous as you go. Be sure to keep at them each time you see a new one. ;) I would highly recommend to take a look at item load-outs. Not only will it drop off anything in your inventory you don't want, you'll always know what you will have at the start of a quest. Just keep in mind it won't bother telling you if you DON'T have something in stock, so take a glance at your items after you use a load-out to see if you have to restock anything via the store or crafting. Also, speaking of the crafting list, if you see white "????"s instead of grey, go ahead and craft it! Even if you decide you don't need what it made at that time, having your crafting list filled out is a good idea. You may also discover a few items you didn't know existed, or will come in handy when you leave for a long quest and run out of something. At this point in the game, skills are kind of a distraction. This is a spot where World and Rise have done a much better job--you can make some okay builds in LR without having to either look for a few random parts with slots or focus on just one specific set that has a little of the bonuses you want. LR pre-World is more about just the defense, and maybe trying to pick up an Attack Up S or M. Unfortunately, this means there are only about three or four LR armor sets worth even pursuing.
Good, impose you dominance on chat you're a real hunter now. I must say this is an absolute joy to see you going through 3U and just understand the dance of old world. I feel like seeing myself back when I first started MH but better and more experienced obviously. I join you on the Underwater combat returning in a smaller form. I absolutely love Lagiacrus in 3rd gen but hate it in Generations as they tried to mismatch its underwater and on land abilities, I don't think it was a success. On the subject of Combo books, I would recommand to carry 2 so that you have 100% chance for Mega Potions. Later for G rank I would recommand to carry 4 to make Ancient potions and all that jazz. Inventory limit is a real threat in that game since it was only with MH4 that we recieved our lord and savior: 4th page bonus item pouch.
You take away half his moves and one of his elements. He becomes a sedated Zinogre when he's not charging and curling and creating water currents that make you dizzy. I agree.
Laggy feels more in tune with its lightning to me, more to a warlock kind of feel where it used to be AoEs and melee attacks. My own perspective of it is that it should be a full lightning master above Zinogre, Rajang, and perhaps even others though.
I love underwater combat! You enter their territory, and they are more mobile, powerful, and faster than you. You have to use planning and timing to you advantage, cause you are in their house and as every casino knows the house always wins. Also Lagiacrus needs that underwater combat to be threatening, he is the king of the sea and without underwater combat, he is such a pushover. In mhgu they had to give him his subspecies moves just to be somewhat powerful. Sad :(
The way I personally manage healing inventory is to bring: -book of combo -book of combo 2 -10 potions -10 mega potions -10 honey Use mega potions to heal, then once you are low on megas, craft more megas with potion+honey (first 2 book of combos ensure 100% craft success). This ensures that each hunt you have a total of 20 mega potions. later on in the game you'll have access to materials to bring 2 max potions so that if you cart, you can drink a max potion to maximise your health bar to 150, instead of the default 100 that carting resets it to.
personally i do not get any combo books, i already use a entire page for stuff but i do keep honey and normals in bag so i for the most part get 9 out of my 10 garnenteed
I would love to see water fights return for a very select few as well, there's a spoiler boss monster that I absolutely love that takes place entirely underwater that I would love to see return as a sort of 'event' fight. Plenty of strong Elder Dragons have unique arenas so I don't see why having one be an underwater segment couldn't happen.
Nakarkos we only hear about being in the dark abyss of the deep sea. He fights MH Tri's boss and we only get to hear about it and we never get to fight him in his terrain cause no under water in MHGU. I would love to fight him in underwater ruins.
Excited to see you enjoying underwater fights, can't wait for you to meet the two biggest reasons I want underwater back properly, Lagiarcus always felt a little sad on land to me... And well, a certain watery elder dragon is extremly cool.
That elder dragon is the best edler dragon. And with the best theme. it absolutely blew me away as a kid. it also scared the fuck out of me because it was really unnerving in a weird way. going really deep into the ocean following this massive beast and then eventually confronting it. the environment and music really creeped me out as a kid. And this wasnt mh3u this was the OG monster hunter tri.
Barroth feeling smaller now is actually the same for me. My first run-in with the guy was in Tri and it was the first Choochoo Train I met in MH. I imagine that first impression is intimidating enough to play tricks on you. It was actually the same for me with Lagiacrus and Tigrex in their respective first games. I remember them being much larger and more intimidating. Of those three, only Tigrex ever retained that first impression for me though.
I love how much you seem to be enjoying the game so far! Just seeing you gush about a low tier monster like R. Ludroth was fun to see. I hope you keep the positive attitude about water combat up once it comes time for Lagia haha.
The Great Jaggi set was one of my favorites because of how useful and straightforward it was, I'll say right now the G rank Great Jaggi set carried me through early G rank until I could get my hands on another set
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf dang, u know i used it heavly but holy to think its so solid never really hit the mind, with me i dont give a fuck about metas jay is a king of beasts in my book, with tobi in second followed by vaal in 3ed, manly because great j is both my first and most important hunt, i wont lie i did do it first time with a LS, but i have dun him in HARD with both horns, switchaxe and even DB because thoes have become my mains (unless we are talking in rise, fucking rest in peace horn you shall be missed for it just dont feel the same anymore when poping a tune, it was at one point a strategic KINGDOM of power now deligated to bashing heads and buffign names plates.)
Green sharpness is very important, in addition to the effects of sharpness you know, yellow sharpness always has a sour spot on every weapon that makes it do less damage than normal. In addition to most frames doing less damage you also do less damage in general. Green is the base sharpness, 1.0x damage mod in the calculation, higher sharpness more damage, yellow has a damage multiplier of less than a flat one. So yeah keep your weapon above green if you can. Also fun fact, if you use a frog as bait you can fish the globul out of the water.
Sidenote for those looking, since I now shouldnt edit my comment, the sour spot and damage multiplier is true of every monsterhunter game, at least to my knowledge. Jumping from yellow to green is meant to be a big moment. And yes a spelt gobul incorrectly and it only works when they arent specifically aggrod on you.
Yellow is default shaprness with horrible sour spots. Green is a 1.05x multiplier. Still you always want to have at least Green sharpness to avoid those sour spots
I thought under water fights were OK early on but after re-fighting some monsters I just felt like I kept hoping they'd go to land cus fighting in the water was a slog and if a monster kept being in the water it'd take like 40% longer for me to kill it. If they re-introduce water stuff I think it might work now with shorter fights.. or make it so you can use a stinkmink or w/e to lure them out more consistently.
So glad you got to fight Gobul. He is such a good monster in that he is the definition of a water monster. He is so much better than you in the water, but loses that advantage when he gets on land. He is a great point where the challenge is dependent not upon stats, but upon the environment you hunt in. Also, the Gobul armor is amazingly good.
Hey Jay! I'm just starting 3U myself, with 4U up next. Looking forward to matching you monster for monster in the coming months. Thanks for the content, insta-watch every time you upload 8^)
Let's see if Jay's still gonna have the same opinion about underwater combat after finishing the village story My own personal issue about underwater combat is that, the feels and flows of combat is totally different than regular combat, even if I'm using the same weapon learning a weapon is twice as hard 'cause I need to learn both land and water mechanic the devs probably also need to work twice as hard balancing them. That said, I agree; If the devs could find a better mechanic/balance, I think underwater gameplay should make a return Underwater map with World level graphic sounds awesome, Oh, you can actually fish Gobul on certain condition, for free hits moment
I don't feel the same way you describe about underwater, though that is probably because I main GS. It feels almost exactly the same regardless, my lone issue with underwater is just the depth perception. Sometimes I will think I am a bit closer to a monster than I really am and will miss a charge.
@@deaj8450 depth perception, yes, that is a big part of the issue. in my case, there's also positioning and direction. I may have use incorrect expression, I apologize. While I did say totally different, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I can't easily use the same tactic, I usually use on land. I kept dodging or attacking in the wrong direction. Big part of it is, like you say, depth perception. But also, I kept mistaking where the character is actually facing. The extra dimension threw me off a lot of times. I guess in the end, it has a lot more to do with underwater movement rather than the weapons themselves. Perhaps, because I struggled in underwater movement, I ended up felt that the weapons didn't work like they usually should.
@@kopiseduh9767 I can understand the 3d movement thing for sure, at times you might not be sure whether you're going to be facing up or down once you attack.
One thing that is a good idea in old world games is to not only bring a full stack of mega potions, but also a full stack of regular potions, honey, herbs, and blue mushrooms. Without being able to use the item box from your tent mid-hunt, maximizing your healing items and crafting in the field is good to learn.
You'll see the underwater dilemma with the same monster as you progress along. Lagiacrus in the open sea is a wonderful dance. Lagiacrus in the Flooded Forest hallway is utter misery. It can go either way.
I don't really notice any difference between fighting Lagi in Moga vs Flooded Forest. I think the areas are still well large enough to have maneuvering room. Maybe I have just fought him too much and know his moves too well for it to matter.
when it comes to items you want to bring, eventually you're gonna want whetstones, paintballs and mega potions, as well as honey and potions to craft more mega potions. it can be difficult to remember to restock that all, but potions and mega potions are always at the top of your item box so as long as you have those, you can always gather honey in the field if you really need to. this will become much easier once your farm gets upgraded and you start mining lava nuggets off a familiar monster's back you could also write down a list somewhere of all the items to check before a hunt
MH3U was my first when it released, and i hated it at first. One summer i decided to boot it back up, and slowly it all clicked, until i became totally hooked. Glad Rise has kinda taught you a lot of features and mechanics in MH in general, and great job on getting to grips with older mechanics now! This vid made me feel so warm inside, glad you're enjoying it so far! Edit: Just caught up on all 3 vids so far, this is the most interesting way i'v seen streams summed up before, and such a great format for a first impressions series. Fucking genius
That feeling you got from Royal Ludroth in this game is a common one, you'll feel this especially about Lagiacrus when you get to compare it between this game and Generations Ultimate, the lack of underwater combat will give that feeling of something missing and that charm that makes it menacing is reduced. Still my favorite monster though
Gobul was my first ever wall, back years ago when I first picked up the series with Tri and barely knew how to use my Hammer. Nice to see he left an impact. I'd love to see Gobul come back somehow, though I struggle to see how they'd do it justice without water. Though in a similar vein, it sure would be interesting to see what they would do with later monsters that could make a home underwater. Underwater fights with Somnacanth, Mizutsune, or Zamtrios would be cool.
Mizutsune is a mostly land-based Leviathan anyway... but as for Somnacanth, Zamtrios or even the Storm Serpents and Amatsu (or a close relative that never left the water behind) underwater fights have a lot of potential or even an underwater Nakarkos fight with no bones and an underwater Alatreon fight!
Something I would highly recommend if you like exploring and haven't done it already, is to check out how maps Compared between Rise and 3. Both the desert map (Sandy Plains) and the swamp map (Flooded Forest) in Rise came from MH3 if I'm not mistaken, and it's super interesting to see how they turned these sectioned off maps into single massive open maps.
I probably the guy that recommended the book of combine. Great to see you still enjoy the games. I miss out again your life stream and I really want to contribute to ease your playthrough by giving some advise like last time. Regarding where to put your book of combo, the right answer would be in your pouch. You need to always have book 1 and 2 in your pouch because you certainly need to combine mega potion especially in harder monster, since you cannot restock your potion. So bellow are some of my advise that you may consider to check. 1. Efficiency. I notice that you had a mindset that you don't want to use mega potion and just use potion because you think this isn't the right stage to use it. For me by utilising mega potion early in the games, you will avoid wasting resources since you heal a lot using mega potion and you spend less time on healing(flexing) by using stronger version of potion. Utilise the combine early in the games, gather and don't afraid to use high level stuff because it will made your hunt easier. Use all your resources that the games provide and don't afraid to experiment earlier in the games. 2. Take advantage of segregated map. I notice that the chat do not want to tell you a big secret in old mh games that is you can go to different area during your fight to heal, sharpen, and gain stamina back safely without the monster chasing you. The marker will wear off so make sure that every 5 minute you use paintbomb to ensure you know the location of each monster. 3. Weapon guide. I always treat monster hunter as a fighting games like SF or smash that every weapon are like a character. So it is sometime worth it to spend your time watching weapon guide by pro and to see how other play with the weapon. It is really mind blowing how by changing certain habit like knowing when to unsheath and so on will enhance your gameplay. 4. Miscellaneous guide. I think it is worth it to spend some time to fully understood the following 1. Cha cha system (how to use select skill, level up and use it properly) 2. Canteen system (how to get more star item) 3. Farm and community resources (fully upgrades and get trade item for cool stuff) Check out and support other content creator that spend some time creating guide for this games 5. Lastly is what armor set that you are useful at this stage which you can create early in the games. 1. Gathering set - with the right gem, you can create a good gathering set earlier on that will maximise your gathering on each resources point 2. Combine set - this set will help you create lot of cool stuff early on such as ancient potion or combine recipes that you need more low in success rate.
here's a tip for longsword: after the first and second hits of the spirit combo (also known as the swoosh swoosh), you can press X to do a regular attack. this won't end the combo, you can press R again and continue where you left off. it basically delays the rest of the combo for an attack. this normal attack in the middle of the spirit combo takes no spirit meter, and hitting a monster with them increases your meter like normal. so, if you notice that you don't have enough meter to finish the rest of the combo, press X to gain a bit more meter, and then continue the combo. it's also just a good way to deal more damage during that combo if you have a large opening.
I’ve always considered the Underwater mechanic to be the most, COMPLEX, playing style of the series. You really need to get the CONTROLS memorized to be efficient in it. Also, decided to check my collection of 3DS games, and look and behold!! Found my copy of 4 ULTIMATE, and my save file is working!! So, when u ready to take 4U in the future, I’ll be at your services!! 👍
Yaasss underwater squad 😎 I agree underwater makes us feel “out of our element” which is a cool environmental obstacle imo. I don’t know if chat has told you you can “fish” out certain monsters to force them into land-combat, and I think it would be cool if future games gave us more options to lure monsters out of the water or control where we fight them
I'm glad you have a better impression of royal ludroth with Tri. It's kinda why as much as I want Lagi back I'd rather he does with underwater combat back, as purple ludroth and ivory lagi variants aren't as fondly remembered as they lack the underwater parts of the fights. Wish you luck with Abyssal lagi when you get to it!
Jay, I just thought of something while reading comments on Ivory Lagi here. If you are going for a rare item in this game, and you can't seem to get it, try a different mission with that monster. The drop rates are different for each individual mission on the rares. For instance, to finish Ivory's armor you need a plate. If you fight him from Tanzia, you seem to never get that plate. But in Village you can get one like every other mission. They drop like candy in that mission. The rate is much higher. They have charts for it online.
Fun gobul lore btw, this is a baby gobul. When gobul get big enough they migrate to feed on leviathans on the ocean floor instead. The max size of an adult gobul is unknown, but its likely to be bloody massive
Fun lore fact: the Gobul you fight are just babies since the adults lay their eggs in shallow waters and return back to the depths of the ocean which is why we haven't seen an adult gobul in the series yet.
There should be Herb, Blue Mushroom, and Honey Gathering Spots placed around different areas in each mapso if you run out Potions, they're still available for Combines as long as you keep Combo Books I & II in your Inventory.
Does Jay know about the separate Village and Hub quests? Can't wait to see his face when he finds out he will pretty much have to redo all quests just to get to G-Rank
Jay i have noticed that you dont use the double vertical slash that often, you can actually do 2 vertical slashes in a row if you have a longer attack window
Tri and 3U's Charms are bugged and they never fixed them. On character creation, you get assigned a Charm Table, and you can only get Charms from that table for the rest of the game. Some charm tables have basically no good charms, but those are pretty unlikely to get. The charm table gets assigned depending on the time on the system clock. :P
Funny you mention Barroth looking bigger in World, because I first met him in Tri, and I always feel like he's huge in the 3rd generation, but smaller in the others. So yeah, I guess he made a spooky impression on us lol
Royal ludroth, or I and my friends like to call it, the moldy banana or overdue dish sponge. Also it's not royal ludroth 's buddies but it is the harem
Royal-Ludroth "looking like a worse version of Great Jagras" I know he's going to redeem this majestic creature's pride in the next sentence, but man, that hurt my soul xD Love the 4th Season so far, been just getting into it. Late to the Party
I want swimming to come back at least for the old monsters to come back It doesnt need to be a HUGE thing But it could be improved upon and doesnt need to be just removed entirely before we can make it better
@Hey Jay! You should check out the Monster Hunter Rise Unreal Engine Demo! There's actual footage of the Wirebug being used underwater, the dev has a fully functioning Long Sword and is working on an Amatsu fight which is a Monster from Monster Hunter Portable 3rd which is MH3U without water, an HD Remaster of the PSP game.
I very like underwater combat. Yeah sure the appreciation of distance is a bit f up and thr move restrained.BUT that d the point! You fight the monsters in THEIR domain. It s up to us to adapt. Like always.
Happy to hear you're somewhat enjoying the underwater parts. Obviously it's not perfect, but it's way better than the community makes it out to be. Back when MHTri released no-one barely ever complained about the underwater, it was a fun addition for the hunts and exploration. Only after like 4U released in the west people started to come up with this "oh underwater sucks" mentality without really knowing why it was removed in the first place. If Capcom would remove things from the game just because the fans demand it the whole game would be way different. No, Capcom removed underwater eventually due to how demanding it was for the devs to make that shit work even half as good as it did. I remember hearing an interview just talking about the development of the underwater stuff and it pretty much was a miracle they made it work in the end.
When it comes to Underwater Combat, I think one cool way to set a cool side-story up is the following; imagine you get a quest to hunt a Low Rank Lagiacrus (Hub Quest) out on a remote island, you hunt it but out in the distance you see a fluke coming out of the water, which you report to the Guild, after your HR goes up a bit (i.e. not long after unlocking High Rank Hub Quests) you go to investigate this "new monster" but when you get there, you realise that it was actually an Elder Dragon; Ceadeus... and there are 4-5 of them and they're all infants... you inadvertently come across a pod of Ceadeus calves... they are not aggressive (even if you attack them) their horns have barely developed and they're each smaller than a Lagiacrus (tiny compared to their mother/s) You decide to follow them, with your Handler noting how strange it is to see so many calves without their mother... as you continue tailing them, you find several "smaller" monsters attacking them (a few Gobul, and a Lagiacrus... say they have 50% less damage and only 33% of their normal health for this quest) these creatures need to repelled in the same manner as the Rampage monsters... after repelling a Lagiacrus... you start to notice a lack of other monsters in the area... then you hear a massive bellow from below and without warning; one of the calves is snatched by a giant blue tentacle and dragged down into the dark abyss below with crunching sounds being heard from the depths, the beast then swims up into the light... revealing that it is a Nakarkos; the Ceadeus' natural enemy and one of the most fearsome Elder Dragons ever documented, although this particular specimen hasn't covered itself in bones, likely to allow for easily mobility underwater You recieve new directions from your Handler; defend the Ceadeus calves from Nakarkos (or more accurately repel Nakarkos) noting that letting the Ceadeus calves die would stall any further research into the life cycle of these majestic creatures, after trying to protect the calves from Nakarkos and mostly failing (due to how unprepared you are to face Nakarkos) you desperately try to defend the last remaining calf, the Nakarkos starts charging a beam of dragon element when suddenly; an adult Ceadeus descends from above and rams the Nakarkos; stunning the beast long enough for both you and it's calf to escape When you return to the Hub, the researchers are delighted that one of the calves has survived (while obviously lamenting the fact that only one survived) and has assigned a team of hunters to monitor the calf at all times for it's safety... but they note that this chapter is not over yet, although they note that they got some amazing data from the surviving calf that could change the way we view the species as a whole, the Nakarkos is an ever present threat to the calves survival as the adult Ceadeus left the calf not long after the incident, with the researchers speculating that perhaps the Ceadeus does not actually take care of it's young... you are then tasked with slaying/repelling the Ceadeus, because despite it's peaceful nature, it is known cause large earthquakes and tsunamis in an effort to trim/file it's horns down (with them referencing Moga Village's own experience with Ceadeus) they say that they need to track the adult's location and when they find it, they'll report back So after you reach the point in High Rank where you start getting to the tougher monsters (Rathalos, Diablos, Deviljho, etc) you get a quest to slay/repel Ceadeus and after doing that, you are informed that the Nakarkos that we encountered earlier has resurfaced and has been found in an underground lake covered in bones, having been scared away by Ceadeus, and all the area's surrounding the lake have been stripped clean of all animal life... you are then told to slay the beast, pointing out that they cannot let the beast continue wiping out the surrounding ecosystems There will be two quests created after you finish this one, one is the "Hellfire Star" and the other is the "Deep Blue Abyss"... with the former being on land and the latter being underwater Now that would be a cool concept for a Monster Hunter side story right?
I really enjoyed the non automatic item stuff in the older gens. I understand and also like how the current item box worked but in the older games there was this more being a Hunter feel, if you get what I’m saying. There was a pre-hunt and a post-hunt, you were making decisions (often the same which is why we now have item loadouts) and for some it was tedious but I enjoyed it. You felt like you were a seasoned hunter.
Monsters have variable sizes, it could be that you encountered a very big barroth the first time in World. You´d be surprised how big/small some can get
I think I am actually starting to get underwater fights. They are like fishing. With large fish it is an endurance game where you and the fish take turns fighting on the line, the fish take line from you and when its tired you taking it back and them some, eventually the line breaks or you pull it in. In this case underwater is you trying to endure and tire them out in their element until they move them to land and can take some line back. Now I'm getting the issue with the hip deep water in Rise where being in the water does not give the monsters any real advantage over land, so it feels pretty boring. World had an idea with limited speed in water without a skill but that just made people frustrated and not want to fight jyura or beo. Quite the conundrum I think.
I'm guessing they added the skill in anticipation that there would be leviathans and more flooded areas, but unfortunately, they couldn't fix the wobbly necks in time.
I agree with how the under water combat would be better with the new games but I think I would want about 20-25% of the fights under water instead of 10%
Underwater fights need to return just so Mizutsune, Jyuratodus and Beotodus can show off some actual underwater moves and not just surfing on top of it imo
12:58 i would say like 10, underwater combat could be really fun and also in mainline games there is the obligation of making the envirements alive, and having just five wouldnt help for the variation and also may feel like a waste of potential just having 5
Underwater combat is a weird mix of all your attacks operating exactly the same as on land but also feeling completely different. This is actually true of underwater monsters too! e.g. most of their underwater attacks are analogous to their on-land attacks. Somewhat ironically there are only _two_ large maps with underwater zones (Deserted Island and Flooded Forest) and only _five_ families of large monsters actually fought underwater: - Royal Ludroth - Gobul - Lagiacrus - _(at least 2 spoilers)_ There is at least one monster fought EXCLUSIVELY underwater, never on land. In MH3U I often use the "Store Items" command just to review what's actually in my Item Pouch, because it's just one click way from the "Take Items" command to restock things. And yeah, early-game talismans do suck -- +2 or +3 points towards a skill barely makes a difference so you will want to periodically review them and sell off the weaker ones (use the "View talismans" option and you can sort your talisman list by skill, literally the only menu screen in the game with any decent sort options). As you reach high-rank and beyond you will start finding talismans with higher skill points and THOSE are definitely worth keeping around (especially any talisman with +10 points, aka. one free skill). And "Speed Gather" is legitimately one of the game's best utility skills to have on your set if you can manage it. Especially for arena-style maps and even elder dragons. Another thing you may find out is that, unlike World and Rise, if you sell off a piece of equipment (talisman or armor) used in one of your armor sets this actually removes the WHOLE loadout from your set list and you'll have to go registering it all over again. Not a fun bit of legwork to go through....
The main problem with tri/3U was the camera, no FOV, and a camera way to close to the character, just made the fights harder underwater where you need more perspective to see whats going on, the fact that in 3DS you basically HAD to buy the circle pad pro to move properly the camera because using the Dpad sucked. The problem wasnt the movement, no, it was the damn camera, i've now gone back to 3U 3ds version, but i dumped my game from my 2DS to the PC and im playing using citra, and it's waaay better, being able to control the camera to see whats going on solves the main problem the game had for me, the "clunky" controls, specially underwater, that many people argue about, what where you expecting? you are fighting underwater with a 20~30kg armor maybe even more, where you expecting the agility of a dolphin or what? you are fighting with the disadvantge of a non favorable terrain, you are out of your natural habitat, and the monsters are fighting in their home, of course they are gonna have advantage, thats the whole point of Tri/3U, that you gotta play under their rules, not yours like in World or Rise where its just a DPS fest where you just spam attack and LS counters (because everything else sucks), and you gotta drown in the meta in order to win, there is no meta here, here you get your ass kicked, you analize, form and strategy, change your equipment accordingly, adapt to the situation that you are no longer the OP animu main character and you must use all you have to your advantage up to the last potion and sharpening stone, because that's what a hunter does, this is no longer a DPS spam fest, this is a hunting/survival game, and the more you go back in the franchise the more it is, and i frankly hurts me to see how bad World is and the direction the game has taken with the OP animu MC weeabo LS main direction, IF you come from MHGen or GenU, in world all weapons except for LS are a downgrade in terms of moveset. 3U is one of the best balanced games MH has (except for slime/blast weapons).
Underwater fights are so good. They just happen to be more methodical, so of course people will get mad when they have to adapt to a new environment. If you are in for the challenge they are an actual blast, I can only think of 1 monster I hated for it ...but not spoiling it.
I'm really happy you're noticing and appreciating how the underwater segments give certain creatures more depth and even show them in a different light, besides giving water a second chance in modern gen and seeing old underwater monsters come back, it would also open the door to create new menacing monsters in the water
This I agree with. Plus withbthoes of us who are used to this slower water we could probably mad dog it all.
Capcom is not used to repeat failures
The main reason why I want underwater combat to return is because it makes the world feel complete. Having monsters that fly in the sky, monsters that roam the lands and monsters that dwell in the depths is just so awesome ^^
the logical extention is aerial fights... but outside of jetpacks (unlikely), hanging off of Wingdrakes (they would hurl you off if you unsheathed your weapon) or an Airship (most likely option), that wouldn't really be possible
@@deinonychus1948 i mean we got ship battles in 3 and 4 being sand skiffs. so that likly would not be hard t work something into
Fair warning: Egg Quests are not a single quest. They tended to be a series of quests that get harder and more ridiculous as you go. Be sure to keep at them each time you see a new one. ;)
I would highly recommend to take a look at item load-outs. Not only will it drop off anything in your inventory you don't want, you'll always know what you will have at the start of a quest. Just keep in mind it won't bother telling you if you DON'T have something in stock, so take a glance at your items after you use a load-out to see if you have to restock anything via the store or crafting.
Also, speaking of the crafting list, if you see white "????"s instead of grey, go ahead and craft it! Even if you decide you don't need what it made at that time, having your crafting list filled out is a good idea. You may also discover a few items you didn't know existed, or will come in handy when you leave for a long quest and run out of something.
At this point in the game, skills are kind of a distraction. This is a spot where World and Rise have done a much better job--you can make some okay builds in LR without having to either look for a few random parts with slots or focus on just one specific set that has a little of the bonuses you want. LR pre-World is more about just the defense, and maybe trying to pick up an Attack Up S or M. Unfortunately, this means there are only about three or four LR armor sets worth even pursuing.
Ya I'm still lost with it :P and I'm still early game I'm bad at going to completion in games so.
I don't think there are item loadouts in 3u, but yeah I agree don't worry about skills or armor too much until later high rank
what item sets? :D
(there are none in MH3U)
@@LucasTigy2 oof, didn't realize that one. Well that makes things worse for sure :P
@@Manae.L you never realize how much you miss them until they're gone. but oh does it feel great to get them back when you play the later games
3 very beautiful creatures on the thumbnail
"In water, you have a disadvantage." Me, with my dash juice and Lance:
*Drive forever*
lances are known to just breack movment a LOT of the time
i cant wait for heyjay to experience the rathalos world tour
The original, lamer cousin of valstrax' divebomb
Good, impose you dominance on chat you're a real hunter now.
I must say this is an absolute joy to see you going through 3U and just understand the dance of old world.
I feel like seeing myself back when I first started MH but better and more experienced obviously.
I join you on the Underwater combat returning in a smaller form. I absolutely love Lagiacrus in 3rd gen but hate it in Generations as they tried to mismatch its underwater and on land abilities, I don't think it was a success.
On the subject of Combo books, I would recommand to carry 2 so that you have 100% chance for Mega Potions.
Later for G rank I would recommand to carry 4 to make Ancient potions and all that jazz.
Inventory limit is a real threat in that game since it was only with MH4 that we recieved our lord and savior: 4th page bonus item pouch.
You take away half his moves and one of his elements. He becomes a sedated Zinogre when he's not charging and curling and creating water currents that make you dizzy. I agree.
@@pooftiger it uses Ivory lagi's moves in GU, as that was the land dwelling variant from tri.
Laggy feels more in tune with its lightning to me, more to a warlock kind of feel where it used to be AoEs and melee attacks. My own perspective of it is that it should be a full lightning master above Zinogre, Rajang, and perhaps even others though.
@@meikahidenori Ivory goes in water too, just not as much. He has some kickass midgame armor in this game, btw.
I love underwater combat!
You enter their territory, and they are more mobile, powerful, and faster than you. You have to use planning and timing to you advantage, cause you are in their house and as every casino knows the house always wins.
Also Lagiacrus needs that underwater combat to be threatening, he is the king of the sea and without underwater combat, he is such a pushover. In mhgu they had to give him his subspecies moves just to be somewhat powerful. Sad :(
The way I personally manage healing inventory is to bring:
-book of combo
-book of combo 2
-10 potions
-10 mega potions
-10 honey
Use mega potions to heal, then once you are low on megas, craft more megas with potion+honey (first 2 book of combos ensure 100% craft success). This ensures that each hunt you have a total of 20 mega potions.
later on in the game you'll have access to materials to bring 2 max potions so that if you cart, you can drink a max potion to maximise your health bar to 150, instead of the default 100 that carting resets it to.
Herbs and Blue Mushrooms, too, for 10 more potions.
personally i do not get any combo books, i already use a entire page for stuff but i do keep honey and normals in bag so i for the most part get 9 out of my 10 garnenteed
I would love to see water fights return for a very select few as well, there's a spoiler boss monster that I absolutely love that takes place entirely underwater that I would love to see return as a sort of 'event' fight. Plenty of strong Elder Dragons have unique arenas so I don't see why having one be an underwater segment couldn't happen.
Namielle. In a dark ocean, all lit up. It would be amazing.
@@pooftiger it would be similar to a special variant monster in tri that glows with electricity underwater and looks amazing.
@@meikahidenori Yup. One of my favorite fights in the game.
Nakarkos we only hear about being in the dark abyss of the deep sea. He fights MH Tri's boss and we only get to hear about it and we never get to fight him in his terrain cause no under water in MHGU.
I would love to fight him in underwater ruins.
Excited to see you enjoying underwater fights, can't wait for you to meet the two biggest reasons I want underwater back properly, Lagiarcus always felt a little sad on land to me... And well, a certain watery elder dragon is extremly cool.
That elder dragon is the best edler dragon. And with the best theme. it absolutely blew me away as a kid. it also scared the fuck out of me because it was really unnerving in a weird way. going really deep into the ocean following this massive beast and then eventually confronting it. the environment and music really creeped me out as a kid. And this wasnt mh3u this was the OG monster hunter tri.
Land lagiacrus just feels like fighting an eel-shaped khezu. Dude needs his water back.
Land lagiacrus is boring
G rank ivory lagiacrus fucking pisses me off
I haven't played tri but I thought g rank lagiacrus in GU was pretty tough
Just to cement your fear of gobul. That was just a baby. Once they grow up they migrate to the ocean. No one has ever seen an Adult gobul
Barroth feeling smaller now is actually the same for me. My first run-in with the guy was in Tri and it was the first Choochoo Train I met in MH. I imagine that first impression is intimidating enough to play tricks on you. It was actually the same for me with Lagiacrus and Tigrex in their respective first games. I remember them being much larger and more intimidating. Of those three, only Tigrex ever retained that first impression for me though.
"I respect Royal Ludroth so much more now."
"So he died."
lmao, Jay
Ah yes, my spiky pancake
Still get a bad taste from it's water tactics
I love how much you seem to be enjoying the game so far! Just seeing you gush about a low tier monster like R. Ludroth was fun to see. I hope you keep the positive attitude about water combat up once it comes time for Lagia haha.
The Great Jaggi set was one of my favorites because of how useful and straightforward it was, I'll say right now the G rank Great Jaggi set carried me through early G rank until I could get my hands on another set
It is stupid how good the set is. But it's comedic how good jaggi is in inbstories series, as it lvls fast and can combo any normal attack
@@lechking941 my thoughts exactly. It’s hilariously good, even in monster hunter 4.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf dang, u know i used it heavly but holy to think its so solid never really hit the mind, with me i dont give a fuck about metas jay is a king of beasts in my book, with tobi in second followed by vaal in 3ed, manly because great j is both my first and most important hunt, i wont lie i did do it first time with a LS, but i have dun him in HARD with both horns, switchaxe and even DB because thoes have become my mains (unless we are talking in rise, fucking rest in peace horn you shall be missed for it just dont feel the same anymore when poping a tune, it was at one point a strategic KINGDOM of power now deligated to bashing heads and buffign names plates.)
Green sharpness is very important, in addition to the effects of sharpness you know, yellow sharpness always has a sour spot on every weapon that makes it do less damage than normal.
In addition to most frames doing less damage you also do less damage in general. Green is the base sharpness, 1.0x damage mod in the calculation, higher sharpness more damage, yellow has a damage multiplier of less than a flat one.
So yeah keep your weapon above green if you can.
Also fun fact, if you use a frog as bait you can fish the globul out of the water.
Sidenote for those looking, since I now shouldnt edit my comment, the sour spot and damage multiplier is true of every monsterhunter game, at least to my knowledge. Jumping from yellow to green is meant to be a big moment.
And yes a spelt gobul incorrectly and it only works when they arent specifically aggrod on you.
Yellow is default shaprness with horrible sour spots. Green is a 1.05x multiplier. Still you always want to have at least Green sharpness to avoid those sour spots
@@mhk6943 ah, i got confused, my bad. Mixed up a smidge. I thought it was green 1x and yellow .95 or .9
now thats a fact i did not know of with globul
The music for Port Tanzia is pretty calming and I'm looking forward to you hunting more monsters in 3 ultimate:)
I thought under water fights were OK early on but after re-fighting some monsters I just felt like I kept hoping they'd go to land cus fighting in the water was a slog and if a monster kept being in the water it'd take like 40% longer for me to kill it.
If they re-introduce water stuff I think it might work now with shorter fights.. or make it so you can use a stinkmink or w/e to lure them out more consistently.
Yeah!!!! HeyJay sees the magic of underwater hunts! I myself loved them and I think they deserve a limited place in future entries.
So glad you got to fight Gobul. He is such a good monster in that he is the definition of a water monster. He is so much better than you in the water, but loses that advantage when he gets on land. He is a great point where the challenge is dependent not upon stats, but upon the environment you hunt in.
Also, the Gobul armor is amazingly good.
Hey Jay! I'm just starting 3U myself, with 4U up next. Looking forward to matching you monster for monster in the coming months. Thanks for the content, insta-watch every time you upload 8^)
Gobul best boi.
shudders in underwater plesioth....
Let's see if Jay's still gonna have the same opinion about underwater combat after finishing the village story
My own personal issue about underwater combat is that,
the feels and flows of combat is totally different than regular combat, even if I'm using the same weapon
learning a weapon is twice as hard 'cause I need to learn both land and water mechanic
the devs probably also need to work twice as hard balancing them.
That said, I agree; If the devs could find a better mechanic/balance, I think underwater gameplay should make a return
Underwater map with World level graphic sounds awesome,
Oh, you can actually fish Gobul on certain condition, for free hits moment
I don't feel the same way you describe about underwater, though that is probably because I main GS. It feels almost exactly the same regardless, my lone issue with underwater is just the depth perception. Sometimes I will think I am a bit closer to a monster than I really am and will miss a charge.
@@deaj8450 depth perception, yes, that is a big part of the issue. in my case, there's also positioning and direction.
I may have use incorrect expression, I apologize. While I did say totally different, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I can't easily use the same tactic, I usually use on land.
I kept dodging or attacking in the wrong direction. Big part of it is, like you say, depth perception. But also, I kept mistaking where the character is actually facing. The extra dimension threw me off a lot of times.
I guess in the end, it has a lot more to do with underwater movement rather than the weapons themselves. Perhaps, because I struggled in underwater movement, I ended up felt that the weapons didn't work like they usually should.
@@kopiseduh9767 I can understand the 3d movement thing for sure, at times you might not be sure whether you're going to be facing up or down once you attack.
"It just sucks" probably the best possible description of the Gobul experience
One thing that is a good idea in old world games is to not only bring a full stack of mega potions, but also a full stack of regular potions, honey, herbs, and blue mushrooms. Without being able to use the item box from your tent mid-hunt, maximizing your healing items and crafting in the field is good to learn.
You'll see the underwater dilemma with the same monster as you progress along. Lagiacrus in the open sea is a wonderful dance. Lagiacrus in the Flooded Forest hallway is utter misery. It can go either way.
I don't really notice any difference between fighting Lagi in Moga vs Flooded Forest. I think the areas are still well large enough to have maneuvering room. Maybe I have just fought him too much and know his moves too well for it to matter.
when it comes to items you want to bring, eventually you're gonna want whetstones, paintballs and mega potions, as well as honey and potions to craft more mega potions. it can be difficult to remember to restock that all, but potions and mega potions are always at the top of your item box so as long as you have those, you can always gather honey in the field if you really need to. this will become much easier once your farm gets upgraded and you start mining lava nuggets off a familiar monster's back
you could also write down a list somewhere of all the items to check before a hunt
Tip jay, you HAVE to look away with your cam to avoid the stun from the flash attacks. Good for both your eyes irl and your hunters a Iiving.
Was wondering how to avoid that
You can also do the superman jump
@@chadgrimwell8380 both work
hell even in world i learned the turn away can and all dont fully work, BUT still good to make habbit of.
9:11 it's not just your perception, barroth was redesigned in world to be more stocky/compact, his old design (which stories 2 uses) is leaner.
I LOVE WATER COMBAT
MH3U was my first when it released, and i hated it at first. One summer i decided to boot it back up, and slowly it all clicked, until i became totally hooked. Glad Rise has kinda taught you a lot of features and mechanics in MH in general, and great job on getting to grips with older mechanics now! This vid made me feel so warm inside, glad you're enjoying it so far!
Edit: Just caught up on all 3 vids so far, this is the most interesting way i'v seen streams summed up before, and such a great format for a first impressions series. Fucking genius
thank you! I've done the same with MHW, Rise and Dark Souls as well if you missed those
That feeling you got from Royal Ludroth in this game is a common one, you'll feel this especially about Lagiacrus when you get to compare it between this game and Generations Ultimate, the lack of underwater combat will give that feeling of something missing and that charm that makes it menacing is reduced. Still my favorite monster though
Gobul was my first ever wall, back years ago when I first picked up the series with Tri and barely knew how to use my Hammer. Nice to see he left an impact. I'd love to see Gobul come back somehow, though I struggle to see how they'd do it justice without water. Though in a similar vein, it sure would be interesting to see what they would do with later monsters that could make a home underwater. Underwater fights with Somnacanth, Mizutsune, or Zamtrios would be cool.
Mizutsune is a mostly land-based Leviathan anyway... but as for Somnacanth, Zamtrios or even the Storm Serpents and Amatsu (or a close relative that never left the water behind) underwater fights have a lot of potential
or even an underwater Nakarkos fight with no bones and an underwater Alatreon fight!
Something I would highly recommend if you like exploring and haven't done it already, is to check out how maps Compared between Rise and 3.
Both the desert map (Sandy Plains) and the swamp map (Flooded Forest) in Rise came from MH3 if I'm not mistaken, and it's super interesting to see how they turned these sectioned off maps into single massive open maps.
Jay Boy me Hey! You've finally learned to love Royal Ludroth! Garharharharhar!
Wait until you see G-rank Great Wroggi, still not that menacing, but that thing is on crack! 😂
I probably the guy that recommended the book of combine. Great to see you still enjoy the games. I miss out again your life stream and I really want to contribute to ease your playthrough by giving some advise like last time. Regarding where to put your book of combo, the right answer would be in your pouch. You need to always have book 1 and 2 in your pouch because you certainly need to combine mega potion especially in harder monster, since you cannot restock your potion. So bellow are some of my advise that you may consider to check.
1. Efficiency. I notice that you had a mindset that you don't want to use mega potion and just use potion because you think this isn't the right stage to use it. For me by utilising mega potion early in the games, you will avoid wasting resources since you heal a lot using mega potion and you spend less time on healing(flexing) by using stronger version of potion. Utilise the combine early in the games, gather and don't afraid to use high level stuff because it will made your hunt easier. Use all your resources that the games provide and don't afraid to experiment earlier in the games.
2. Take advantage of segregated map. I notice that the chat do not want to tell you a big secret in old mh games that is you can go to different area during your fight to heal, sharpen, and gain stamina back safely without the monster chasing you. The marker will wear off so make sure that every 5 minute you use paintbomb to ensure you know the location of each monster.
3. Weapon guide. I always treat monster hunter as a fighting games like SF or smash that every weapon are like a character. So it is sometime worth it to spend your time watching weapon guide by pro and to see how other play with the weapon. It is really mind blowing how by changing certain habit like knowing when to unsheath and so on will enhance your gameplay.
4. Miscellaneous guide. I think it is worth it to spend some time to fully understood the following
1. Cha cha system (how to use select skill, level up and use it properly)
2. Canteen system (how to get more star item)
3. Farm and community resources (fully upgrades and get trade item for cool stuff)
Check out and support other content creator that spend some time creating guide for this games
5. Lastly is what armor set that you are useful at this stage which you can create early in the games.
1. Gathering set - with the right gem, you can create a good gathering set earlier on that will maximise your gathering on each resources point
2. Combine set - this set will help you create lot of cool stuff early on such as ancient potion or combine recipes that you need more low in success rate.
Hey jay you know, you can gather materials to craft potion on the fly instead of going back to camp !
here's a tip for longsword: after the first and second hits of the spirit combo (also known as the swoosh swoosh), you can press X to do a regular attack. this won't end the combo, you can press R again and continue where you left off. it basically delays the rest of the combo for an attack.
this normal attack in the middle of the spirit combo takes no spirit meter, and hitting a monster with them increases your meter like normal. so, if you notice that you don't have enough meter to finish the rest of the combo, press X to gain a bit more meter, and then continue the combo.
it's also just a good way to deal more damage during that combo if you have a large opening.
I’ve always considered the Underwater mechanic to be the most, COMPLEX, playing style of the series. You really need to get the CONTROLS memorized to be efficient in it.
Also, decided to check my collection of 3DS games, and look and behold!! Found my copy of 4 ULTIMATE, and my save file is working!!
So, when u ready to take 4U in the future, I’ll be at your services!! 👍
Yaasss underwater squad 😎 I agree underwater makes us feel “out of our element” which is a cool environmental obstacle imo.
I don’t know if chat has told you you can “fish” out certain monsters to force them into land-combat, and I think it would be cool if future games gave us more options to lure monsters out of the water or control where we fight them
I'm glad you have a better impression of royal ludroth with Tri. It's kinda why as much as I want Lagi back I'd rather he does with underwater combat back, as purple ludroth and ivory lagi variants aren't as fondly remembered as they lack the underwater parts of the fights.
Wish you luck with Abyssal lagi when you get to it!
You can carry a book of combos and it will increase your odds of crafting during a quest but it takes up a valuable item slot.
I could be completely wrong about this, but I also remember the monsters in world being generally larger
Jay, I just thought of something while reading comments on Ivory Lagi here. If you are going for a rare item in this game, and you can't seem to get it, try a different mission with that monster. The drop rates are different for each individual mission on the rares. For instance, to finish Ivory's armor you need a plate. If you fight him from Tanzia, you seem to never get that plate. But in Village you can get one like every other mission. They drop like candy in that mission. The rate is much higher. They have charts for it online.
Fun gobul lore btw, this is a baby gobul. When gobul get big enough they migrate to feed on leviathans on the ocean floor instead. The max size of an adult gobul is unknown, but its likely to be bloody massive
I will always have a soft spot for the Gobul was one of my very first big walls in MH
Fun lore fact: the Gobul you fight are just babies since the adults lay their eggs in shallow waters and return back to the depths of the ocean which is why we haven't seen an adult gobul in the series yet.
Luckily the Longsword and Switch Axe are relatively unchanged underwater. Lance however is known as the premier underwater weapon
There should be Herb, Blue Mushroom, and Honey Gathering Spots placed around different areas in each mapso if you run out Potions, they're still available for Combines as long as you keep Combo Books I & II in your Inventory.
Does Jay know about the separate Village and Hub quests? Can't wait to see his face when he finds out he will pretty much have to redo all quests just to get to G-Rank
Jay i have noticed that you dont use the double vertical slash that often, you can actually do 2 vertical slashes in a row if you have a longer attack window
I’ve been trying 😅
Tri and 3U's Charms are bugged and they never fixed them. On character creation, you get assigned a Charm Table, and you can only get Charms from that table for the rest of the game. Some charm tables have basically no good charms, but those are pretty unlikely to get. The charm table gets assigned depending on the time on the system clock. :P
9:46: Ignoring the Talisman Icon with the +6 to Spd Gather
Funny you mention Barroth looking bigger in World, because I first met him in Tri, and I always feel like he's huge in the 3rd generation, but smaller in the others. So yeah, I guess he made a spooky impression on us lol
Royal ludroth, or I and my friends like to call it, the moldy banana or overdue dish sponge.
Also it's not royal ludroth 's buddies but it is the harem
The egg quest you did - the quest description actually says where to find the eggs. I don't know why so many people missed it.
Slowly getting closer to meeting Khezu's 3rd generation counterpart...can't wait. lol
ah yes the version of royal ludurth that isn't nerfed. i wish they would bring underwater combat back.
Royal-Ludroth "looking like a worse version of Great Jagras"
I know he's going to redeem this majestic creature's pride in the next sentence, but man, that hurt my soul xD
Love the 4th Season so far, been just getting into it. Late to the Party
Ty and welcome to the party!
I want swimming to come back at least for the old monsters to come back
It doesnt need to be a HUGE thing
But it could be improved upon and doesnt need to be just removed entirely before we can make it better
@Hey Jay! You should check out the Monster Hunter Rise Unreal Engine Demo!
There's actual footage of the Wirebug being used underwater, the dev has a fully functioning Long Sword and is working on an Amatsu fight which is a Monster from Monster Hunter Portable 3rd which is MH3U without water, an HD Remaster of the PSP game.
I saw it! It looked amazing
I very like underwater combat. Yeah sure the appreciation of distance is a bit f up and thr move restrained.BUT that d the point! You fight the monsters in THEIR domain. It s up to us to adapt. Like always.
Happy to hear you're somewhat enjoying the underwater parts. Obviously it's not perfect, but it's way better than the community makes it out to be.
Back when MHTri released no-one barely ever complained about the underwater, it was a fun addition for the hunts and exploration.
Only after like 4U released in the west people started to come up with this "oh underwater sucks" mentality without really knowing why it was removed in the first place.
If Capcom would remove things from the game just because the fans demand it the whole game would be way different.
No, Capcom removed underwater eventually due to how demanding it was for the devs to make that shit work even half as good as it did.
I remember hearing an interview just talking about the development of the underwater stuff and it pretty much was a miracle they made it work in the end.
If I’m not mistaken World Barroth is actually bigger than old world barroth
Almudron underwater fights could be interesting
HeyJay - i gotta come up with some better then "dadadadada."
Japanese Anime - "but why?"
When it comes to Underwater Combat, I think one cool way to set a cool side-story up is the following;
imagine you get a quest to hunt a Low Rank Lagiacrus (Hub Quest) out on a remote island, you hunt it but out in the distance you see a fluke coming out of the water, which you report to the Guild, after your HR goes up a bit (i.e. not long after unlocking High Rank Hub Quests) you go to investigate this "new monster" but when you get there, you realise that it was actually an Elder Dragon; Ceadeus... and there are 4-5 of them and they're all infants... you inadvertently come across a pod of Ceadeus calves... they are not aggressive (even if you attack them) their horns have barely developed and they're each smaller than a Lagiacrus (tiny compared to their mother/s)
You decide to follow them, with your Handler noting how strange it is to see so many calves without their mother... as you continue tailing them, you find several "smaller" monsters attacking them (a few Gobul, and a Lagiacrus... say they have 50% less damage and only 33% of their normal health for this quest) these creatures need to repelled in the same manner as the Rampage monsters... after repelling a Lagiacrus... you start to notice a lack of other monsters in the area... then you hear a massive bellow from below and without warning; one of the calves is snatched by a giant blue tentacle and dragged down into the dark abyss below with crunching sounds being heard from the depths, the beast then swims up into the light... revealing that it is a Nakarkos; the Ceadeus' natural enemy and one of the most fearsome Elder Dragons ever documented, although this particular specimen hasn't covered itself in bones, likely to allow for easily mobility underwater
You recieve new directions from your Handler; defend the Ceadeus calves from Nakarkos (or more accurately repel Nakarkos) noting that letting the Ceadeus calves die would stall any further research into the life cycle of these majestic creatures, after trying to protect the calves from Nakarkos and mostly failing (due to how unprepared you are to face Nakarkos) you desperately try to defend the last remaining calf, the Nakarkos starts charging a beam of dragon element when suddenly; an adult Ceadeus descends from above and rams the Nakarkos; stunning the beast long enough for both you and it's calf to escape
When you return to the Hub, the researchers are delighted that one of the calves has survived (while obviously lamenting the fact that only one survived) and has assigned a team of hunters to monitor the calf at all times for it's safety... but they note that this chapter is not over yet, although they note that they got some amazing data from the surviving calf that could change the way we view the species as a whole, the Nakarkos is an ever present threat to the calves survival as the adult Ceadeus left the calf not long after the incident, with the researchers speculating that perhaps the Ceadeus does not actually take care of it's young... you are then tasked with slaying/repelling the Ceadeus, because despite it's peaceful nature, it is known cause large earthquakes and tsunamis in an effort to trim/file it's horns down (with them referencing Moga Village's own experience with Ceadeus) they say that they need to track the adult's location and when they find it, they'll report back
So after you reach the point in High Rank where you start getting to the tougher monsters (Rathalos, Diablos, Deviljho, etc) you get a quest to slay/repel Ceadeus and after doing that, you are informed that the Nakarkos that we encountered earlier has resurfaced and has been found in an underground lake covered in bones, having been scared away by Ceadeus, and all the area's surrounding the lake have been stripped clean of all animal life... you are then told to slay the beast, pointing out that they cannot let the beast continue wiping out the surrounding ecosystems
There will be two quests created after you finish this one, one is the "Hellfire Star" and the other is the "Deep Blue Abyss"... with the former being on land and the latter being underwater
Now that would be a cool concept for a Monster Hunter side story right?
I really enjoyed the non automatic item stuff in the older gens. I understand and also like how the current item box worked but in the older games there was this more being a Hunter feel, if you get what I’m saying. There was a pre-hunt and a post-hunt, you were making decisions (often the same which is why we now have item loadouts) and for some it was tedious but I enjoyed it. You felt like you were a seasoned hunter.
Royal lurdoth was the monster that got me into playing hammer when It brick walled me in tri
Monsters have variable sizes, it could be that you encountered a very big barroth the first time in World. You´d be surprised how big/small some can get
Omg I love this😂
Ahh good ol' MH3u, where you just get the brachidios weapon and beat dire miralis solo first try :D
The monsters in world are all al lot bigger yeah. Weird change but very noticeable if you're coming from the older games
Wonder how insect glaive would work underwater though. Be really weird mechanically
I think I am actually starting to get underwater fights. They are like fishing. With large fish it is an endurance game where you and the fish take turns fighting on the line, the fish take line from you and when its tired you taking it back and them some, eventually the line breaks or you pull it in. In this case underwater is you trying to endure and tire them out in their element until they move them to land and can take some line back. Now I'm getting the issue with the hip deep water in Rise where being in the water does not give the monsters any real advantage over land, so it feels pretty boring. World had an idea with limited speed in water without a skill but that just made people frustrated and not want to fight jyura or beo. Quite the conundrum I think.
I'm guessing they added the skill in anticipation that there would be leviathans and more flooded areas, but unfortunately, they couldn't fix the wobbly necks in time.
F for Cha Cha not being counted.....
I agree with how the under water combat would be better with the new games but I think I would want about 20-25% of the fights under water instead of 10%
Underwater fights need to return just so Mizutsune, Jyuratodus and Beotodus can show off some actual underwater moves and not just surfing on top of it imo
12:58 i would say like 10, underwater combat could be really fun and also in mainline games there is the obligation of making the envirements alive, and having just five wouldnt help for the variation and also may feel like a waste of potential just having 5
Are we allowed to flame gobul in your chats? I have a few pent up feelings that I would like to express to that purple mound of status effects
Yes.
XD no suprise. Go smack a nibble snarf later they a fun beanbag to wack.
Might seed and armor seed available in Guild 😁😊
An idea for the Long sword combo name: The Hey Jay Classy Slashy
Bro imagine stuff like Jyuratodus or Namielle in underwater combat
Just wait til you get to Nibelsnarf!
You can fish out gobul with a frog
Underwater combat is a weird mix of all your attacks operating exactly the same as on land but also feeling completely different. This is actually true of underwater monsters too! e.g. most of their underwater attacks are analogous to their on-land attacks.
Somewhat ironically there are only _two_ large maps with underwater zones (Deserted Island and Flooded Forest) and only _five_ families of large monsters actually fought underwater:
- Royal Ludroth
- Gobul
- Lagiacrus
- _(at least 2 spoilers)_
There is at least one monster fought EXCLUSIVELY underwater, never on land.
In MH3U I often use the "Store Items" command just to review what's actually in my Item Pouch, because it's just one click way from the "Take Items" command to restock things.
And yeah, early-game talismans do suck -- +2 or +3 points towards a skill barely makes a difference so you will want to periodically review them and sell off the weaker ones (use the "View talismans" option and you can sort your talisman list by skill, literally the only menu screen in the game with any decent sort options). As you reach high-rank and beyond you will start finding talismans with higher skill points and THOSE are definitely worth keeping around (especially any talisman with +10 points, aka. one free skill).
And "Speed Gather" is legitimately one of the game's best utility skills to have on your set if you can manage it. Especially for arena-style maps and even elder dragons.
Another thing you may find out is that, unlike World and Rise, if you sell off a piece of equipment (talisman or armor) used in one of your armor sets this actually removes the WHOLE loadout from your set list and you'll have to go registering it all over again. Not a fun bit of legwork to go through....
You're missing a family of monster there!
@@enemystand2981 Shh, spoilers! I only mentioned the ones he has actually seen in MH3U currently.
Ahhhhhh yes. The Gobul.... Did anyone tell you that the Gobul you fight in game are all technically babies? : D
In 4u if you are carrying an egg and are climbing a wall the gioprey have aimbot.
No really.
Underwater combat is really fun, you just have to spam target camera lol
I think it's just new world monsters are bigger.
The main problem with tri/3U was the camera, no FOV, and a camera way to close to the character, just made the fights harder underwater where you need more perspective to see whats going on, the fact that in 3DS you basically HAD to buy the circle pad pro to move properly the camera because using the Dpad sucked.
The problem wasnt the movement, no, it was the damn camera, i've now gone back to 3U 3ds version, but i dumped my game from my 2DS to the PC and im playing using citra, and it's waaay better, being able to control the camera to see whats going on solves the main problem the game had for me, the "clunky" controls, specially underwater, that many people argue about, what where you expecting? you are fighting underwater with a 20~30kg armor maybe even more, where you expecting the agility of a dolphin or what? you are fighting with the disadvantge of a non favorable terrain, you are out of your natural habitat, and the monsters are fighting in their home, of course they are gonna have advantage, thats the whole point of Tri/3U, that you gotta play under their rules, not yours like in World or Rise where its just a DPS fest where you just spam attack and LS counters (because everything else sucks), and you gotta drown in the meta in order to win, there is no meta here, here you get your ass kicked, you analize, form and strategy, change your equipment accordingly, adapt to the situation that you are no longer the OP animu main character and you must use all you have to your advantage up to the last potion and sharpening stone, because that's what a hunter does, this is no longer a DPS spam fest, this is a hunting/survival game, and the more you go back in the franchise the more it is, and i frankly hurts me to see how bad World is and the direction the game has taken with the OP animu MC weeabo LS main direction, IF you come from MHGen or GenU, in world all weapons except for LS are a downgrade in terms of moveset.
3U is one of the best balanced games MH has (except for slime/blast weapons).
Man wait until you fight ceadeus
Look they can bring back underwater. Just, please don't make it a mandatory quest.
So what am hearing is rise is easy.
I hope you can get to G-Rank.
Underwater fights are so good. They just happen to be more methodical, so of course people will get mad when they have to adapt to a new environment. If you are in for the challenge they are an actual blast, I can only think of 1 monster I hated for it ...but not spoiling it.