Doctor Who Reaches A New Low
Вставка
- Опубліковано 20 кві 2022
- Legend of the Sea Devils is the latest disaster of the Chris Chibnall era of Doctor Who.
► Patreon
/ harbowholmes
► Subscribe!
/ harbowholmes
► Twitter
/ harbowholmes
► Discord
/ discord
► Reddit
/ harbowholmes
#DoctorWho #Review - Фільми й анімація
Support me on Patreon for more videos like this!
www.patreon.com/harbowholmes
First of all
They aren't sea devil
Jon and Peter were 6 foot and they were still shorter than sea devils
i want season 14 to open with an episode that makes 13 non canon. like just make it all a simulation. i actually would not mind
@@williamhowells806 oh that's easy
Just have everything that's happened in recent years going on in dts head while he hears wilf knocking
Fixed
@@williamhowells806 Yaz finds the Doctor (Capaldi) in the shower. It has all been a dream (you need to be a certain age to appreciate that reference)
I think B-where's (a youtuber) audio novel regarding the sea devils is wayyy better when it comes to writing compared to this mess
Apparently, this episode has the worst ratings for Doctor Who EVER. Not of the revival, I meant of the show since 1963.
Apparently you believe all the crap you read on the net..... its not the worst rating of all time........What are you smoking
@@whitleybayman123 "apparently" your opinion is the worst too ever exist on planet earth.
Yup, Chinballs decided to try to destroy the show cause of very few people thinking he was the best thing to happen to Who.
@@whitleybayman123 Yeah how dare us believe the ratings that came from the BBC. Its all a lie cause we really hate gender twisted people who are 'woke'.
Wasn't the previous worst rating show The Gunslingers in the First Doctor?
The doctor saying to Yasmin “it would be you” and saying she’s even better than their wife (River) felt utterly insulting.
Everything about this era has been an insult.
13 seems to have completely forgotten river, the Judoon must have done some crazy stuff to her in prison lol
I mean. River has married multiple times after the doctor. I would imagine there is consent in having other relationships.
@@Rosie-fk1xs wasn't it before the doctor? since she met him for the first time the last time we saw her in the Husbands of River Song
@Duke There's also these names provided by other UA-camrs:
Bowlestrek: Doctor Nasty
The Critical Drinker: The Doctor Impersonator
Nerdrotic: The First Female Doctor Played by Jodie Whittaker Who We Will Lovingly Refer to as Doctor Karen.
Thanks for including that the Sea Devils called The Doctor a ‘twat’. What a masterpiece this is. 🥰
Epic
...they are "atwatic" reptiles, after all ;)
is it just me or do you not here twat lol ? i can hear quiet or twiat
@@jamesmuscles1013 It’s a joke. The Sea Devil does say ‘Quiet’ if you see the subtitles. I just prefer that it would have called her a ‘twat’ because that would have been blisteringly funny and true. 😂
@@FaolanCortez ik it actually says quiet lol i just couldnt hear anything remotely close to twat thats why i asked if i was the only one lol still the people laughing in the video and just imagining them actually saying it is funnt lmao
People keep blaming lack of character development on "too many companions" = complete bullshit. Jackie Tyler has more chemistry with 9 and 10 than Yaz has with the Doctor. It isn't how much time, but HOW it is used. More companions is a brilliant opportunity to make the character multidimensional through interactions with different people - but they have to interact for that.
Jackie Tyler wasn't really a companion, but she certainly had chemistry with 9 and 10. She also got some great dialogue and interesting things to do, which Chibnall consistently failed to provide for his main cast.
@@ftumschk That is exactly my point. Jackie isn't even a companion. Doesn't take much time to make a character immortal. People say River Song should have met 13. She would have hijacked the show and people would have forgotten 13. She isn't a companion either. Less episodes than Jackie, I'd think. Heck Tardis as Sexy is HALF an episode, that too split across locations. Among my all time favourite characters.
@@Vidyut_Gore Indeed, although I'd be nervous about Chibnall writing for River Song. I really wasn't impressed by how he wrote for Captain Jack in Series 12 - the lines were crappy, and not even the larger-than-life John Barrowman could breathe much life into them.
In general, I feel that RTD and Moffat write better for bit-part characters than Chibnall does for his main cast.
@@ftumschk it’s such a shame that chibnall was hyped for being a good character writer coming from broadchurch. I guess he’s just not good at writing plot and characters because what I’ve noticed is characters are plot devices in his seasons.
John Bishop could be replaced with a poster that occasionally spouts some Liverpudlian cliches, and no one would notice. It's a sad use of a great comedian, much like Lee Mack's abysmal guest starring role.
Ok, I have to admit that I did genuinely laugh at the "no ship Sherlock" quip, but that probably says more about me than the actual quality of the line
Literally thought the exact same thing
I actually cringed at that line.
it was a stolen line from Sherlock Gnomes. And if you are stealing lines from Sherlock Gnomes you know you have problems in the writing room.
@@richardwhalen1588 it’s not really a unique line anyway probably not stolen from that film
@@richardwhalen1588 considering it’s a very easy word play I don’t think they would’ve stole it from Sherlock gnomes but since they had to go to the same level as Sherlock gnomes still says how bad the writing got
13 says she doesn't want to date Yaz because she doesn't want to get "fixed onto" people who will die. Except being a companion is still fixing onto them.
That's just such a slap in the face to how companions should impact on the Doctor
Woke pandering aside, fans should know by now that ships don't really last long in doctor who
In general this has been one of the absolute worst... Wait a moment, unlucky 13
I know it's a small detail, but it just speaks to a larger point regarding detail and competent writing in Chibnall's script. They arrive in 1800's China. They make a big point at the start of the episode that they hadn't intended to arrive in 1800's China, and were attempting to go elsewhere. However, despite making this a big part of introducing the Doctor, Dan and Yaz at the start of the episode, The Doctor and Yaz are dressed in period clothing for 1800's China. Why are they dressed like this? They hadn't intended to land here. They didn't know they'd be here. Dan is also dressed like a pirate. Again, they weren't expecting an adventure involving pirates. They had no clue. It's all done purely for the sight gag of Dan, and for cool promo photos of Jodie and Mandip in different outfits. It makes absolutely no sense. There's no reason for any of them to be dressed the way they are, especially after they spend time talking about how they'd arrived in the wrong place and time. It's such sloppy writing and design, and it really winds me up.
There is no such thing as a 'cool promo photo' of Mandippy and Jerdeh. They look woefully uncool whatever they are wearing. This era has been a disaster in every sense - not least of all the costumes! Gotta feel sorry for Dan.
I don't get it at all, part of the fun of the whole "TARDIS ends up in the wrong historical period" is seeing the characters dress up for their intended destination, and thus look completely out of place with their actual location (like how Rose dressed for the 70s in "Tooth and Claw", and had everyone in Victorian Scotland mentioning her being 'naked'). I really don't get why Chibnall didn't take full advantage of this set up and create the hilarious visual of all three of our main characters walking out in stereotypical pirate garb, or something equally ridiculous
Maybe they intended on going to a pirate themed costume party at the beach.
That's really not that complicated. They unexpectedly arrived in 1800's China and, once there, decided to dress for the occasion.
EDIT: Nope, I was wrong - she doesn't check what timezone they're in until she exits the TARDIS. Ancient China may still have been the original target, though they ended a few centuries later than planned...
@@irrevenant3 So they unexpectedly arrived in 1800s China, and despite not knowing this until *_after_* they stepped out of the TARDIS, they went ahead and dressed for the occasion they didn't yet know about? Also, presumably they already knew they'd be getting into some shenanigans with pirates, too?
You're right. It's not complicated at all. It's quite clearly poor writing. It's a screenwriting mistake when a character or characters are written in a scene as already being privy to knowledge the plot has not yet revealed to them. The most famous example is in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, when Kenobi, Anakin, and Padme are chasing Count Dooku. Padme falls out of the ship onto the sand dunes, while Kenobi and Anakin continue the pursuit. The next scene shows Dooku arriving at a hangar bay. The next scene after that cuts back to Padme dusting herself off. She then tells a Clone Trooper, "We've got to get to that hangar and stop Count Dooku before it's too late."
So how does Padme know Dooku went to a hangar? She falls off the ship long before he reaches it.
In the case of LOTSD, the entire thing was written solely for the sake of the gags; it was not in service to the plot or narrative, because if it were, you would do something similar to what was done in _Marco Polo,_ where the TARDIS crew don period-appropriate clothing AFTER they discover where/when they are.
Very well said.
I have seen some people ask why Yas being gay and being killed off is different on twitter so I thought I would give my 2 cents here.
Bill was a character who happened to be gay, it was one of the first things were learn about her but isn't the only thing about her. We go though Season 10 with her and learn so much about her. In thin ice we see her anger at learning the doctor kills people only to grow as a character and realise he doesn't do it because he doesn't care but because sometimes he has to and she respects how much he values human life after he put them in danger to punch a racist. We then see her do things to save the doctors life in The Pyramid at the End of the World She unknowingly gives up earth to the monks just to save his sight, she tries to correct her mistake in the next episode and helps the doctor revert it. We see the pain she goes though living knowing earth's history is changed and how strongly she stays to her morals, going so far as to try kill the doctor when she is made to believe he wants to stop her. By the time we see her turned into a cyberman in World Enough and Time we care for Bill. She has grown as a character, she has been shown to save the doctors life.
Yas on the other hand hasn't had this. Her closest thing to growth is demons of the punjab where she goes from "tell me the story" to "I already know it" or learning her backstory in Can you Hear me. Her being gay also comes out of nowhere as we see glimpses of her being romantically interested in Ryan in S11. While of course she could be Bi if it was planned you would have expected to see similar scenes like that between her and the doctor and have her conflicted, the same way Amy was between Rory and the doctor in Amy's Choice.
When it comes down to it Yas can be explained in full as a police officer who travels with the doctor and is gay. Bill couldn't. While you could say "Bill serves chips and is gay" you would be massively missing much of her character.
Bill is a character who dies but happened to be gay while Yas is a gay character who dies.
Of course you could dismiss this but with Chibnal having already done one scene where a character says "I'm gay" and gets killed the "kill the gays" trope feels like it will be repeated.
Underrated comment
I do agree with Bill being.. a character as opposed to Yaz, but that last line to 12 when she's just like "you know im gay right? Yeah wanted you to know". That line was pretty shit and it was already well established to everyone. No way near as bad as anything Chibbs but still a really awkward presentation
I don't even know that Yas can be explained as a police officer. It has never, ever, ever been relevant to the plot. Ever
@@abbymitchell5948 Yeah, Moffat couldn't write a gay character to save his life. The only real reason I liked Bill was because Pearl Mackie brought some actual charisma to her performance. She was likeable in spite of the script, not because of it
Yas doesn't even have that, I'm sorry to say but I don't find Mandip Gill to be a very good actress. She says her lines and emotes accordingly, but there's no personality to any of it
The problem too - Yaz is the longest running companion in the modern era, but I feel we has more characterisation of Rose in the first montage of 1x01 than we ever have Yaz in 3 seasons now. The sad part is that I’m not even exaggerating, I genuinely think that
Finally someone said how this whole Thasmin is actually quite an abusive relationship and Yaz basically abandoned her family and job for a person that otherwise treats her like trash. I'm so baffled on how this is celebrated as this great romance of the decade, because honestly it just makes me sick to the stomach. And then the show has the nerve to tell us how Yaz is greater than all other companions ever. It really felt insulting.
But guess at least shippers got something. Twitter has blown over the whole thasmin scenes so yay... *looks at actual overnight figures* oh... awkward....
chibnalls gotta appease the twitter weirdos, since they're the only ones who enjoy the show nowadays.
It's woke pandering. You don't need captivating stories to make them happy, just titles and identities being shoehorned into places with no thought of plausibility gets them clapping like seals.
@@BradTheThird oh go away, don't get in the way of people making valid criticisms.
Ah yes, Yaz being such a great companion by phasing into the background and murdering for the doctor, something that would anger previous incarnations.
@@finnstewart4747 It's a valid complaint
Let's not mention the ratings either. beaten by a repeat of the Antiques Roadshow on BBC2.
I have to say Chibnall is a very talented writer. He can make any subject, any period in time and space completely boring.
Yaz has all the personality of a boulder and the lack of chemistry is astonishing.
The next special looks like the usual Chibnall car-crash in the making. Throw in every villain ever and some old characters and ultimately have a ham-fisted, confused and hectic episode. So glad the Chibnall era is almost over.
Got me in the first half not gonna lie
Not true
He makes the endings entertaining when they don’t put a “next time”
It does legitimately take talent to have a concept as limitless as Doctor Who's and consistently bore the audience beyond belief. You can literally do any and everything, how is it this bad? Other dimensions, literal witches, werewolves, vampires, the self proclaimed devil, and so forth. Heaven Sent made me interested in an episode where the only two characters were the Doctor and a slow moving piece of cloth for crying out loud.
I do say, I at least appreciate he's leaving after only 3 series. I was terrified of him following the precedent and staying for two Incarnations of the Doctor.
Talented??? Hah! What a joke! That fat lard will go down in history as the dumb fuck that killed this great franchise (and jodie shat on its grave)
@@vullord666 The BBC have been hiring writers like this for a few years now. Remember their series "Troy". They managed to make the Trojan wars as dull as dishwater.
To see how this show is going is honestly so depressing. I love doctor who. It obsessed my child and early adult life. I feel wronged by Chibnall every stupid episode. Especially because I truly believe Jodie Whitaker had a phenomenal chance of being the first female doctor! Bad writing equals bar acting and story lines and it’s genuinely not even funny. It’s just sad.
its at the point where I have to believe saying he's doing it on purpose is actually giving benefit of the doubt because no way is anyone just this bad at his job for this long. I feel like even an amateur would at some go "hey people seem to really hate this, I should try practicing some of that subtext people keep saying I lack" or just hire some better writers. Youd do SOMETHING different eventually wouldnt you? We'd see effort SOMEWHERE?
I agree
He overuses villains horribly and and ruins the reputation of good villains by putting them in another copy paste episode
And the best episode in the season had nothing to do with him (writing wise) as well (it was the castle episode)
I've mostly been keeping up with DW thru abridged videos and stuff on YT, but I've stopped watching full episodes around the time 12 regenerated cuz of how much people were panning the new stuff. I do hope to come back to the series as a dedicated watcher one day, but right now, it seems more hard to be a New Who fan than ever.
Chris Chibnall doesn't care. He's just rushing out scripts till he leaves. Doctor Who needs a massive overhaul.
We need RTD back ASAP.
“Till he leaves” more like forced to resign. Every showrunner thus far has stayed for at least 2 Doctors. Chibnall only got one if you don’t count the Fugitive Doctor. And he clearly wanted to stay longer, but now due to piss poor ratings and utterly abysmal fan approval, he’s definitely being forced to go.
@@Im_Evie_Now Nah OP is much closer to the truth. He’s not been forced out, he was openly reluctant to take the job on to start with and here we are. The earliest respectable (in industry) opportunity to take leave.
@@aloysiusthefish7076 You’re probably right. But I would’ve really liked it if he were forced to leave a lot sooner.
@@aloysiusthefish7076 nah you don't keep a show runner on if his era is the most hated. He was definitely forced out in the same way Capaldi was forced out by the BBC
My favourite part was how they saw the guy give the sea devil the ship after seeing the ship the sea devils had in the future which was identical and then still not figuring out what happened to the ship till they were told. Beautiful writing.
I know, right?
When a show can’t even do “pirate queen” properly, you know it’s a waste. Just watch Lynda Barron in the 5th Doctor’s “Enlightenment”. Now THAT is how to do Pirate Queen 🤣
IKR? Didn't even mention her entire massive fleet (hence the "Queen") just made her seem like any random captain, who is acting from a position of weakness to save her children when the real person made the Emperor bend to her will...And to add insult to injury THEN completely overshadows her with yet another Captain who is much more relevant to the plot (Was he historical as well? I can't find anything on him, google just returns Korean pop stars with similar names)!
'Enlightenment' is my fav Peter Davison episode because of Lynda's character. Trivia - she also appeared as a shop girl in a Matt Smith episode years later.
12:43 _"The Doctor even references Megamind, of all things"_ - I doubt Chibnall got it from Megamind, even if the reference is used there as well. The 'reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated' line is actually a very famous quote attributed to Mark Twain, albeit apocryphally. It was Twain's alleged response on seeing his prematurely-published obituary in the paper.
Doesn't one of the characters in one of his novels say this as well, when attending his own funeral?
@@HandofOmega Not sure, but the quote certainly pre-dates Megamind by more than a century :)
I like Megamind, it was great unlike this episode, and I'm saying this as someone who enjoys watching Chibnall era.
Thank you, I was gonna say
@@HandofOmega Maybe, but he wrote it circa 1897 when a newspaper published a repory of his death by accident
Chibnall's scene-setting dialogue goes something like this -
"This is the most dangerous Villain in the Universe" - we get a bad guy with teeth on his face.
"This is the most dangerous Planet in the Universe" - the team is attacked by some sheets off a washing line.
"You are the most amazing person I have ever met" - to a feckless Companion who has a talent for gaping.
Russell T. we need you now.
Sorry I didn't mean to be so cruel to Yaz. She seemed as stunned as many actors appearing in Chibnall's Doctor Who were at how bad the plots and dialogue were.
I was happy to see the Sea Devil's Mario Jump. It informed me ASAP how low to set my expectations. So the bad editing, the lame combat scenes, the terrible characterizations of the supporting cast, didn't hit me as bad.
The fact this episode made Warriors of the Deep look somewhat competent by comparison really says a lot. For all that stories faults, it’s at least watchable, what in the ever living hell happened to the editing here? It's like half the episode was missing.
There should have been another way...
It makes perfect sense. Make a good episode, and what have you got? A single good episode. That's not enough to save an entire show's run. But make a mind-bogglingly terrible episode, and now you've got an *entire season* of episodes that now look like masterpieces in comparison.
Warriors of the Deep is GENIUS compared to this Shit
Okay but Warriors was great, Legend is just a bad joke
Warriors also has the benefit of one of the funniest cliffhangers in existence
The Sea Devils did have a plan.
It was just the same plan Team Aqua had summoning Kyogre, who also appeared in this episode
Omg yes!! I thought exactly the same haha!!!
Oof
Anyone else feel like jodie really didnt want to say the line "not a bad date am I? "
It felt forced. Honestly it's kinda jarring that they had 3 seasons together and not once did they have any signs of being more then just "fam" but now all of sudden they have feelings that only appeared near the end of their time together. What a mess in my opinion
Tbh when she said that i was confused
Like what dose she mean by date?
No one says that unless it was a literal date
I would believe loveable friend,lover,cutie, girlfriend (can mean both ways),companion (since be a good twist on the wording) and so much more but saying date.....that feels temporary like when your prosecuted (cause your either guilty or not guilty but aren't forever a prosecutor)
Hell be funny if this relationship was expanded (maybe in flux) then doctor says "am i sexy" like just be open
Thos this is the same 13th doctor who is "socially akward" get can't comfort graim about his cancer fears and just walks away like it was a joke
This is same actresses was full of emotions in broadchurch is now directed like a literal dumb blond who "hype" and "with it" but only serious when no one cares
Hell i can believe captain jack and doctor gay relationship as they act like a married couple even being with jack on his last day as face of boe like a husband holding his lover in his arms
@@CometStar100 What's weird is that Jodie and Mandip actually have great chemistry when not in character, which you can see in a lot of the behind the scenes footage. Maybe it's the writing (it definitely is), but it's frankly shocking that none of that warmth and friendliness is ever shown onscreen between the Doctor and Yaz
@@christianwise637 ^^^ This, so much. Its odd and equally frustrating.
My initial takes from watching it: "How do you make a high seas pirate adventure in China boring?" "FFS magnetic pole reversal apocalypse is old 2012 Nibiru shite" "Does no one bat an eye at Dan making a quip after wasting half a dozen fellow earthlings? Because yes Sea Devils are earthlings too."
Pole reversals are real, definitely not old "2012 Nibiru shite", but won't be the cause of any sort of mass extinctions, as noted they occur often enough. Trouble is that there is so much New Age, internet conspiracy "Nibiru shite" (good phrase that!) that some people actually believe it, just as with alien abductions, Annunaki crapola, Atlantis and so much more.
@@owenshebbeare2999 I'm well aware they happen that's why the apocalypse part is there
I'm so worried for the centenary special. Ace is my favourite classic companion and I've wanted her to return for years, but I wanted it to be done by a competent writer who woild handle such an iconic character properly, but after this episode, thenpoor handling of Kate Stewart in Flux and everything else that the centenary special has crammed into it, I'm worried Ace won't get the return she deserves, and will instead be uesd for nostalgia and nothing else, and Ace deserves better than Chibnalls sloppy seconds
My feeling about Tegan’s return!! God help us!!!
@@Criv016 What amazes me is that Janet spent years actively turning down Big Finish, then finally relenting only to find out it was loads of fun. She gets one offer to come back to TV and there is no moment of looking at what we know will be a shit script where she goes..."No thanks, pass."
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry
People can make fun of "There should have been another way" all they want but at least the fifth Doctor cared when he Massacred the Sea Devils - 13 just went off to a beach to a chat about her repressed lust
Planet of the Dead is Citizen Kane compared to this episode. Not even 1 Bernard of excitement energy.
throughout the episode I kept frustratedly thinking “You haven’t earned this” to basically every ‘emotional’ beat and the plot points too
Donna will always be the “most important woman in the universe” that will never be taken from us!!
I fucking despise this era of the show, its embarrassing that people might have this as their only reference for what this show is like
You’ll live.
@@aloysiusthefish7076 yes we will but the doctor won't unless rtd saves this dumpster fire
The BBC had a golden show on its hands, cited in several other geeky series. Nowadays it's something so forgettable that it's sad.
It’s not helped that each season nowadays feels like there’s a year gap in between release
This special feels like there were 13 minutes of cut content from it that made it remotely understandable with any degree of flow.
*checks runtime*
O H .
Ace and Tegan are Returning: *:D*
Written by Chris Chibnall: *>:(*
I'd like to add: The actress who plays the Pirate Queen is actually a really good actress, but it's clear that she was given a rubbish script and didn't particularly care to try and salvage anything
That usually seems to be the trend with Chris Chibnall scripts
Spot on!
What's so astonishing and disappointing is that Chibnall appears to have learned NOTHING WHATSOEVER from the criticisms the show's received, right from the very start of The Woman Who Fell to Earth.
Absolutely nothing.
He can't possibly be unaware of all the things that have been said about the show, and yet here he is, three years later, doing exactly the same things over and over again.
It's either staggering arrogance or mind-boggling stupidity. Or both.
this☝️lol
Either that or he’s an energy vampire.
@@mgthestrange9098 LOL! There is something a bit Colin Robinson-y about him, isn't there? ;-)
@@katarinabrunk8698 ;)
Arrogance. He was told and made some comment that he was the show runner. HATE HIM for what he has done. Prick
Flux’s relative quality is beginning to feel like a long forgotten memory with stories like this being released. Can’t say I agree with the sea devil design though, not the best classic redesign but I think it looked really good for the most part.
They probably tried to keep it similar to the original to appeal to the classic fans, still they could have done something original with the design, maybe go full lovecraftian with their appearance
Flux was a boring waste of time. At least this is entertainingly bad.
I still don't know what the hell was going on in Flux
The Sea Devils design was good but for some reason they didn't come across as scary to me....
@@hotdog1214 yeah they didn’t for me either. I don’t think the sea devils are scary in concept though, nor are they something that could be scary if executed differently.
Episodes like this (eras... like this) make me wonder why we need to practice writing if you're allowed to be showrunner without needing to understand basics like show dont tell. It makes me bitter and frustrated for ever putting in the effort. Writing something deep and meaningful and consistent is really really hard, but even Chibnalls best episodes immidiately go for exposition over nuance with no interest in making it make sense. I dont believe they ever redrafted once and just expect you to feel things because they tell you to. It isnt bad because the stories are dumb, its bad because this seems to be exactly what chibnall wants.
OK, to be fair on the 'Why is Dan dressed like this beforehand?' issue, they WERE looking for the lost pirate treasure so it makes some sense. But you're bang on with most things here
the other side of the point is that the doctor and yaz are also in 1800s chinese garb when... they were expecting a pirate treaure hunt, as you say
"Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated" is a (mis)quote of Mark Twain, and has been used extensively since 1897. For all his faults there's no way any reasonable person could accuse Chibnal of trying to be hip or pandering to the Tiktok generation by including this line.
Rumpole of the Bailey still wins with the immortal version "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. It was suggested I had kicked the bucket, whereas I had merely turned a little pail".
And you just know that Chinballs felt really clever for using that ancient quote.
LOL yeah attributing that to Megamind is… hilarious
Me as a classic sea devil fan: look how they massacred my boi
Personally I like that the Sea Devils look a little goofy, but I can see why not everyone likes that. The Sea Devils have some of my favourite designs of any creatures in the series and I’ve gone out of my way to find merch specifically for them just because I think they look neat. Personally I’m not a huge fan of the Silurian redesign because while it definitely looks a lot better, they don’t feel like the Silurians to me, which is why I was excited that the Sea Devils looked very similar to their original counterparts. The Sea Devils have always looked goofy and I can’t imagine them not looking goofy so I struggle to take points off of the episode for that, but the Mario jump was definitely too much even for me.
Imagine if Yaz turns out to have been a Cyberman or something that thought she was human all along in the same way we saw Bill as human because she thought she was or Oswin when she thought she was and the reason Yaz is "such an impressive young woman"/"one of the best people [The Doctor's] ever met" is because she's been refusing her programming all this time and she's the only one that doesn't know she's been doing it.
This doesn't work at all obvs with the amount of people that have never said anything, but would be a helluva twist.
If I had a nickel for every lesbian cyberman, I'd have two nickels
This makes me feel sad - I was such a fan since Ninth Doctor's era, I couldn't wait for the next episode to drop for years. Tenth was my Doctor, I liked Eleventh a lot, Twelve was not quite my cup of tea but I still tried to be up to date. I gave Thirteen a try and as much as I wanted to like her run I just couldn't. The characters didn't click with me, I honestly didn't care if they saved the day or even lived or not (while I still get wet eyes from the Tenth and Rose goodbye scene). And now I learn of Doctor's shenaningans from videos like this over actually sitting down and watching an episode and it's just... sad. Great video, thanks for sparing me the effort of watching the episode. Cheers!
Hes coming back! He will save it for sure, david tennant
This one made 0 sense, I had no clue what was going on (Also the Sea Devil doing a Mario Jump made me laugh at how bad it looked)
Also, the fact there wasn't the usual "why cant they share the earth" talk was weird.
Am holding my breath on Ace and Tegan coming back, but I bet it'll be bloated.
It makes me so happy to see the regeneration tease, the nightmare is nearly over. RTD is returning
Until literally this video I had no idea the sea devils already existed (I've only ever watched Eccleston onwards). This would definitely explain, but not excuse, the lack of explanation of what they actually are
I spent so little time watching the show since Chibnall took over or paying attention to any of the news beyond the fact that Chibnall's leaving that I didn't realize Thasmin was a real thing. I genuinely believed it was just a ship certain fans thought was a good idea.
Even without having watched any of the show since the Thirteenth Doctor's first few episodes, I didn't believe there could be a relationship between The Doctor and any of her companions. The fact that there are so many companions on the TARDIS all at the same time simply don't give enough room for any such relationship to grow.
And I do find it insulting to both Rose and River.
I remember growing up I thought the only companion the Doctor could have had a real chance at a relationship with was Romana, they had a shared understanding and lifespan, and chemistry. Which even Kid me could pick up on w/out knowing Lalla and Tom got married IRL. ;)
Zheng Yi Sao in this episode: ‘someone took my crew and sons hostage :(‘
Zheng Yi Sao in real life: ‘I command a pirate fleet of 400 ships, and I have 40,000 men under my command! Not even the Qing can defeat me!’
Also, they got the ages of her children wrong…
I won't lie, the many quick cuts and choppy camera work made this episode laughably bad, especially the intro
RTD's criticism of Loki's bisexual dialogue applies equally well to the treatment of Yas
Chibnall somehow managing to plumb new depth of incompressibility and naffness
Your review is the only review I've watched or read that is 100% how I feel about this episode. Even with Dan and that woman. It's like you read my mind when making this one. I want the behind the scenes Information about this episode. Something seriously went wrong for them to air this dumpster fire of an episode.
Chibnall has left his mark on Who - similar to a skid mark in his white briefs...
I am currently catching up on Series 11, 12 and 13...and...Harbo...your are not exactly elevating my fears
*I think I meant alleviate
@@hernerwerzog9700 Yes thats the correct term
Just skip the entire Chibnall the hack and Whittaker the talentless era. RTD is going to make the whole era non-canon anyway when he takes back over, so watching it is nothing but a waste of time sitting there having Chibnall's personal beliefs preached at you.
@@hernerwerzog9700 you’re able to edit your comment
@@LadyTsunade777 Na, I actually like Jodie as the Doctor. But Chibnall and the writes ruined her potential.
Sometimes I disagree with you. This is one of those instances. This wasn't great, but not nearly the dumpster fire you've described it as.
The stuff I thought was bad was:
Sword fight choreography
Thasmin
Too short runtime
But otherwise, I thought it was fine and mostly enjoyable.
Your commentary about Thasmin is spot on. Thasmin doesn't work for me because I don't believe the Doctor would fall in love with Yaz. I don't buy it at all. She says Yaz is, "one of the most amazing people she's ever known," but we've seen nothing from Yaz to demonstrate that. Not even close.
Gonna file that line away under Capaldi Doctor's view: "Why not just be kind?" and River's line "The Doctor lies."
Me, my brother and my dad (who has been watching since 1963) all agree this is the worst episode of the show each of us have seen. And we have seen them all.
The original sea devils story was the first one I ever saw(I was 6!) And I totally agree with you. The suddenly appearing net trap was the end for me! Aaaaagggggghhhhhhh 😱
That fat ugly green thing that ate people is a far better story then this
I disagree. Chibnall has done far worse.
The Doctor being attracted to women makes sense considering that's who they've been interested in in every other incarnation, so people complaining about it need to think twice about it. Just because her sex has changed doesn't mean her sexuality has.
But as far a her relationship with Yasmin goes, yeah there is absolutely no chemistry between the two at all and the fact it's being forced into existence right at the end of the era of the show is dumb. I could have got on board if it was shown early on and we had time to see chemistry building, but it just doesn't work the way they've done it sadly.
I think it would’ve been more interesting if the Doctor showed an interest in men and was confused or conflicted about it. It could’ve even been just a fun line like ‘oh he’s nice, wait where did that come from!?’
True, but Chibnall deciding to make it be with yet another modern day companion is uninspired. Could've been at least someone from a different time period where the dynamics would be different on what concepts her romantic partner can accept.. or another species altogether given the universe is vast after all. But no.
Depends on how you create the make belief BS.
If you define his heterosexuality as being attached to the opposite sex then it doesn’t make any sense for her to like girls anymore. She should like guys and as another mentioned, it would’ve served the story better and be a comedic element.
But if you define it as liking girls, then she should still like girls. But then you end up with the current modern propaganda crap where the story is forced and makes no sense.
@@autolosss Ohh, with someone from a different time would have been so cool!
@@CheshireSmile98 it was touched on in the Girl in the Fireplace wayyy back in 10s second series, but I would love to see it again because even when I watched that episode as a kid I thought it was an interesting idea. A well-written romance between the doctor & someone from the past/far future is definitely something that could be interesting
Thought it was a bit better than Eve Of The Daleks just before, but I definitely can’t deny all the things you pointed out in this.
Even as a gay person myself Thasmin didn’t get me all that excited to see, in fact to give you an example I recently watched the trailer for Heartstopper on Netflix, a show all about a young gay couple that’s NOT EVEN OUT YET and already just from seeing that I care way more for the 2 main characters Charlie & Nick’s relationship than ever have done over the last fews years for Thirteen & Yaz’s. Not to mention I’d be absolutely lying through my teeth if I said I didn’t go “😬” when I saw the main sea devil do that Mario jump onto the ship and whilst I did get that whole “Make earth a 100% water” part of their plan the rest of it I wasn’t completely clear on.
Honestly to say that RTD will have his work cut out next year when he comes back is a gargantuan understatement, but that all being said though, I do hope they get it just about right at the final hurdle with the centenary special, it’s the very least Jodie deserves after being given what she’s had for these last few years of her life on the show and even that doesn’t end up being the case I’m confident RTD certainly will
the mario jump made me die laughing
then they ran out of budget so just dubbed over "Geronimo" as code for "we teleported!"
The worst line in the whole show was about Yaz being the most amazing companion. When in reality she's one of the worst. Hello, how can you even compare her to River Song??
That's not a Megamind quote exactly, That is a Mark Twain quote. Megamind was also riffing the famous Mark Twain statement.
That mario jump onto the ship was actually IN the episode? You didnt just do a little edit for a laugh?
All I did was add the sound effect
@@HarboWholmes That is unbelievable. I stopped watching the show a while ago, and it's really hard to believe that the level of quality has fallen so dramatically so quickly.
Eve of the Daleks is like Genesis of the Daleks compared to this. Spare a thought for poor little me who, as a blind person, didn’t have the ability to wonder at the CGI. It felt empty and bland and confusing. Even with audio description, I had little idea about WTF was going on..
"Its messier than the casting couch" Jesus these people have loved ones too you know 😂😂
Good review and very accurate. We really have to hope they the show will be saved by a change in sbowrunner.. The whole chibnall era should really be considered non cannon like the Australian k-9 series imo. Even the relative highlights like flux are bad by most standards and only look slightly positive because of how much worse the rest of his episodes have been! Fingers crossed for next year!
I think most fans and the writers will disregard this era. There aren’t any interesting story developments so it’s not hard, and the less you mention the timeless child the less people will remember it. Tbh, not a lot of people watched the episode in the first place, so I’m sure it’ll be fine. You’ll have a clique of fans who force themselves to like it, but even they will get bored eventually. Just let this era gather dust. No one can watch it, no one will even it open it on IPlayer. Let it become a strange little thing standing on a street corner.
@@tobylerone4285 I don't think they will completely disregard this era though, just make a few references here and there.
@@tobylerone4285 This era was too blatantly filled with Continuity Wrecking Balls to really ignore fully, at some point there will have to be a partial or full retcon just to give the series Stakes again.
@@mystery4561 if they wake up after a mushroom trip it would be totally fine to me, just say dream Lord return and retcon the whole incanation
Realistically, the best that would likely happen is the events would still happen but things like Timeless Child will most certainly be retconed as a result of the Matrix be tampered with by the Master. Fortunately, because the writing was so bad, that means any plotline Chibs came up with during his time as show runner can be retconed easier than he himself can retcon, well... anything.
Kinda like the continuity between Cars 2 and 3. Cars 2 still happened, but Cars 3 never bothers to call back to the second movie aside from a few characters cameos here and there. Even then the only plot line they kept from the second movie to the third, is Doc being dead. Which was brought up barely in Cars 2.
It’s truly masterful how you are able to watch three seasons and still not be able to describe any of the characters’ personalities. Chibnall should have a masterclass
I'm going to paraphrase a moment from VEEP to express my feelings about DW these last few years. *Angrily, at Chibnall:* You know what? We may never have another female Doctor because we tried one once and it sucked!
Fair enough, although the concept of a female doctor isn't what made the era or the episode fail. It's the writing, and sometimes the cgi. I'm positive RTD will, and Moffat could have, written a female doctors era well.
@@Dimension5Productions But that's what I mean. That the Doctor was female shouldn't have ever mattered but it did to all the reactionary, sexist fans. But now they have even more ammo because this era has sucked so much (because of the acting, writing, directing etc.) and the people making the show may never cast a female to play the Doctor ever again because they will conflate or associate this era being so bad, with featuring a female Doctor.
yeah when this was seen as 'controversial' and they effectively pulled a 6th doctor "well i am the doctor whether you like it or not" followed by ... the worst doctor in memory (not necessarily because of jodie OR being female, but given Capaldi could elevate bad scripts and some people were just so used to a male doctor that there was cognitive dissonance, I cant say it helped. I was really excited when jodie was revealed and she looked really cool in capaldis jacket and my main concern was always Chibnall wasnt great in previous eras to begin with) its really hard to do it again and not just look like theyre digging their head in the sand like "no it worked shut up".
Most people agree its the writing not the gender, but the gender was made such a big deal of that its now heavily associated with this era the same way you would think no one would attempt Colin Bakers coat again.
Jodie was shit, the whole era was shit
@@satyasyasatyasya5746 so sexism is why she sucks, not her bad acting , inconsistent morals, cold personality , lack of any distinct personality , she just sucks and she’s terrible but I guess I don’t like becasue she a woman, oh well let’s boil the reason down to the lowest common denominator.
This episode was just a titanic mess. Great video Harbo.
They explained the star thing was a perception thing. Not the stars actually moving. The sea devils were making it hard to navigate.
Looking at the Sea Devils, I suspect they are made from the original mould / a re-sculpt aiming to be identical. They could have reimagined them in the same way they did for the Silurian’s. (Madame Vastra’s makeup is amazing) but nope… and I say that as a fan of the 3rd Doctor’s adventures.
TBF, there wasn't much wrong with John Friedlander's original design. I can understand why the "Bungle Bear from Rainbow" classic Silurians needed a major rehaul - and I really like the NuWho versions - but the SD's were pretty impressive from the get-go.
At the very, very least, some new eyes would've been appreciated. They look like Disneyland mascots
Vastra was cool. I'm glad she didn't get dragged into Chibnall's mess. He'd never shut up about her being a lesbian. Moffat conveyed it with class and humour because he actually knows how to write.
"Good evening. I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time. And this is my wife."
That's all you need. The fact that Vastra was banging Jenny wasn't her entire identity. The scene where she wore her veil as a "judgement" whilst talking to Clara after Smith regenerated into Capaldi was a completely unique facet of her personality and it had absolutely nothing to do with her sexuality.
Steven Moffat's like the George Lucas of Doctor Who. I've always liked him - I'd even go as far as to say he's my favourite screenwriter of all time - but I know he was unappreciated while he was running the show. Fortunately, his work continues to age like fine wine. Except the River Song stuff. Alex Kingston's awesome but River was a Mary Sue and if Alex wasn't so much fun to watch, the character would have been unbearable. However, I think that Moffat's mistakes with River helped him become a better writer in the long run.
@@ftumschk the design was fine in it’s day, but (like JF’s Davros’ mask which even at the time was made from a stiffer material than it could have been due to cost issues) new technology could have lifted it even further without diluting the design.
lol, Moffat design guidance for the silurians was for them to be 'sexy lizards' (tho I feel the sexiness was focused on the women of the species... who can possibly guess why lol)... like, don't get me wrong, I'm sure we would've all enjoyed 'sexy sea turtles', but idk, maybe Moffat's design philosophy isn't something worth emulating. I love the design of the sea devils in this and their original appearance, but it was weird that their mouths barely moved in this episode, coz they made sounds that needs closed lips and their lips never closed - I don't get how they can talk like humans.
I just watched that episode and there is one scene (the first time they go under water) that you can see all of the money got dumped into
Almost there...
One more...
Then he's gone...
Of course the 13th doctor was out of character. She is always out of character.
Edit: I was wrong. She remains an evil, gaslighting, manipulative figure and an excellently written villain.
In the final episode, instead of regenerating, she rips off a mask to reveal... she was The Mistress all along!
@@calebfuller4713 It's not even a plot twist, just confusing.
It feels like Chibnall saw how popular Our Flag Means Death is and thought to himself "the kids like diverse gay pirates. they'll love this!!!" then scrambled to make it work in the Doctor Who universe
Everyone says that the female doctor was a disaster. It might be time to look at what used to work and try that again.
The editing has been a serious problem throughout the Chibnall era. I first noticed the weird choppy disjointed editing all the way back in The Ghost Monument and it has only gotten worse over time. I suspect the best bits of many stories of this era were left on the editing room floor, and some of Jodie's stories may have made a lot more sense if there wasn't a chimpanzee strung out on tequila and shrooms in charge of the editing. This particular piece of garbage I switched off about 18 mins in, it was just a mess
After the way Di treated Dan, does anyone really think he's better off getting back with her? That "course correction" I could do without...(Then again, I actually *liked* "no ship, Sherlock", so what do I know?)
Also, it’s been only 2 episodes since The Vanquishers. In the span of two episodes, Dan went from wanting to see the Universe to wanting to go back to Earth. Why did he even want to go in the first place?
@@ryanmerino5747 to be fair, I think he wanted her to join him. (Confused why she broke up with him as she seemed to enjoy travelling with him)
Small thing but since he is my favourite doctor I just wanna point out ; eleventh doctor didn’t spend thousands of years on trenzalore just 900… idk why I wanted to say that but since I’ve watched series 5-7 so many times I had to point it out lol
it feels like a lot was cut, there's several moments that prove it, like when the old prate guy says that the treasure could still be of use when he hass never been told that the woman pirate needs the treasure for her sons
'Trouble with China over something in this episode' probably doesn't mean anything racist. In fact it's probably far from that. It was probably a realistic portrayal, and given how censor-happy and touchy the Chinese government is, they didn't approve.
It's probably because of yaz and the doctor. They are pretty homophobic
It wouldn't shock me at all if that's the reason this episode gets censored in China
Sorry but did we forget that china banned time travel in media or is that not a thing anymore?
@@kingkaza idk I don't keep up with what that backwards country does
@@kingkaza They did what?
Time travel is a scientific impossibility.
I think that part of the reason Thirteen didn't want to 'settle down' is because she knows she'll regenerate/even actually die very soon - it's not just an issue with the thing itself. And different Doctors have different personalities I guess
But yeah apart from that nitpick... I fully agree with this, that epsisode was um something-
It felt like a bad 2007 filler episode. Terrible for an EVENT episode made for 2022.
It was worse than the Doctors daughter
How the HELL is YASMIN KHAN the most important person the Doctor's ever met?
Steven Taylor - literally saved the Doctor's life in his first incarnation
Ben Jackson and Polly Wright - first people to see a Time Lord regeneration ever
Jamie McCrimmon - The Doctor's first romantic interest and longest consecutive serving companion
Zoe Heriot - Smarter than the Doctor
Rose Tyler - Looked into the time vortex and dated the Doctor
Martha Jones - Said one word and killed the master forever
Donna Noble - DoctorDonna
Amelia Pond - Mother of the doctors wife
Clara Oswald - Jumped into the doctors timestream to help him
Bill Potts - Helped the doctor even after becoming a cyberman
Fun fact: In the credits of the episode, the creator of the Sea Devil’s name is spelt wrong.
For whatever reason I find that to be one of the funniest things of all. OMG, they can't even get the credits right!
I prefer the old format of the serial. There was plenty of opportunity to build up the tension, allow viewers to understand what was afoot, and you knew what the Doctor's plan was. I think the first downhill step was when they went to the single-episode format.
I haven't watched it and I can't be bothered. I want to still like Dr Who by the time RTD takes over again. I'm closing my eyes and pretending it doesn't exist until then.
One day I'll wake up and the entire Chibnall era will turn out to have been a dream.
I can't even give my opinion on this episode because I fell asleep halfway through it and woke up an hour later wondering what the hell happened
>they made sea devils into cartoonish bug-eyed monsters
>bug-eyed monsters
Sidney would be so pissed. POW-POW-POW.
Thank God this era is almost over
I was so disappointed. Makes me wish those rumours about RTD retconning the entire 13th doctor are true.
15:26 THANK YOU FOR PUTTING MY FEELINGS INTO WORDS! I knew that felt very off about The Doctor's lines and you've summed it up perfectly
That's not a Megamind reference. "The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" is a Mark Twain quote. Megamind was also referencing Mark Twain when they did it
Disappointed isn’t even the right word anymore
Bruh I’d be surprised if the doctor could even regenerate after this era
Flux? Decent? It was utter shit
The last time proper Silurians appeared on Doctor Who. Was in the Peter Davison adventure that featured the Sea Devils
6:37
"It's messier than a casting couch at the end of a working week."
Best quote ever! lol
The fact that The Doctor has the ability to regenerate possibly infinite times now due to not being a Time Lord anymore means that she could have stayed and later regenerated without the guy staying on the ship to die, she could have done it and regenerated and everyone would have lived.
Brutal review but factually correct 😊 I now feel that one of my favourite classic stories “Warriors of the Deep” had been redeemed. 👍🏻
One of the worst things about this episode was when the doctor said that Yaz was better than River. Really? Really Doctor? What a load of written crap.
The plot is like something from the skit Web of Caves
Sea Devil "We shall reshape the earth and melt the ice caps"
The Doctor "What for?"
Sea devil "For POWER"
The Doctor "Power over what?
Sea dEVIL "The Oceans!"
The Doctor "I see. Well alright, I suppose I will try to stop you then."
I had zero reaction to anything in this episode
Like, at least Hungry Earth/Cold Blood was TRYING ffs
Hungry Earth/Cold Blood was basically a retread of Classic Who's "The Silurians", with elements of "The Dæmons" and "The Green Death" thrown in for good measure. Here - God forbid! - Chibnall made the fatal error of using his own ideas.
@@ftumschk I'd argue Cold Blood took the Silurian ideas further (that's not saying much, Chibnall had decades of hindsight to work from)
Here this is a step back. The original Sea Devils at least had something that say whilst being a fucking Navy advert.
And aside from that, how is "Pirate-Sea Devils" that much of a new idea?? All Chibnall does with re-occurring villains is attach a gimmick to them
13:58 It isn't even the lack of screen time that is the problem, just a pure lack of chemistry, and poor writing. I can think of a ton of romances contained within a single episode that I was invested in and were actually convincing thanks to the writing and chemistry. "Under the Lake/Before the Flood" and "Human Nature/The Family of Blood" being prime examples. The two in Voyage of the Damned as well. Hell, even the cold open to "Oxygen" was more convincing and interesting than Yaz & The Doctor.