Glad to see a fellow sportsman who appreciates the 300 H&H. I own a 100% original 1950 M70 in 300 H&H, the barrel just says 300 Magnum . It shoots 180 grain Sierra soft point boat tails using 68 grains of IMR 4350 at 3050 fps. Optics are vintage Boush and Lomb Balvar 2.5-8 with their quick detach plunger mount bases. Shoots sub MOA
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 I had another 1952 Model 70 300 H&H monte carlo first year the smothest action ever. I let a buddy use it deer hunting and he got his first deer with it so I sold it to him. As Charlie Brown would say Uggg. It sure was a 100% beauty too.
I have a 700 Classic Remington, in .300 H&H on layaway. I sold my pre 64 to my nephew, but I found that I had to get another Holland Super 30 so that I could sleep at night. Beautiful review, well spoken and filled with good sense.
Objectively, the 700 is a fine rifle. I had a 721 in 300 H&H for awhile and now have a pre 64 model 70. In my opinion, the model 70 is a much better rifle, but I have never been able to warm too much to the Remington rifle. I guess I am just biased.
I have always loved the lore of the 300 H&H. I have recently begun acquiring Ruger #1's in odd or classic calibers for my collection. A couple of months back I was able to purchase an unfired 2014 Ruger #1 in 300 h&H gorgeous rifle and let's just say it is now slightly fired. Absolutely love it!
refreshing to hear you talk down these 1000 yard “hunters “ . Nothing pisses me off more . So many animals get injured and walk off to suffer and die all to feed some a-holes ego . I hunt with a 325wsm and my favourite …the 35 Whelen . Both capable 400 and under cartridges . Great video 👍
An vietnam vet approached me while I was shooting my 300 H& H at the rifle range. He told me that the 300 H&H was a favored sniper rifle in the Vietnam war. I also have a pre 64 Winchester model 70. Mine was made in 1959. It’s all original and shot like a champ! I hit a small target from 120 yds out and nailed it! I love this rifle!
Awesome truthful review! You and I obviously have a lot in common...We both love Win 70's, Leupold scopes, Warne rings/bases, and old "proven" cartridges!! Well done sir!
I’ve got a Remington model 700 Classic in 300 H and H, that I bought new in 1984. It will never be traded or sold. It is my favorite 30 caliber cartridge. I’ve reloaded it for many years, but in the last 4-5 years I’ve been using Nosler 180 grain factory ammo with great results. Thanks for an excellent video.
That rifle is a treasure. I see them on gun racks at gun shows here in Texas quite regular but no one is buying unless it is an old fart like me that sees the value and nostalgia in these older pre64's. I have my eye on a 50's model but I know I will never come up with $1800 for it, but I can dream huh? Wonderful review done right.
I love your rifle! My grandfather also hunted with a 50's vintage Model 70 300H&H. One of my cousins inherited it when he passed, and it hasn't seen the light of day since! One of these days he will need money, and I'll be ready!
If you cannot free this 300 H&H, Its a lot of fun finding and resurrecting pre64 model 70's. Parts are getting scarce - but that just makes it all the more fulfilling!
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 2 years later update. Got tired of waiting for my cousin to sell, so I went and found a twin to it. Got a 1950 model 70 "300 Magnum", traded a vx6 scope for it. Can't wait to hunt with it this year.
No amount of convincing will change my mind that the H&H is the most inherently accurate, and smoothest feeder outta all the .30 magnums. It’s a nostalgic round that’s as relevant today as any. 👍🏻
I have a 1955 model 70, in this caliber and it is exceptionally accurate with elk loads in 180 grains. Just a pleasure to shoot. It is now in the possession of my oldest grandson. Very easy to reload. With the gentle slope in the shoulder, you are unlikely to ever get a stuck case.
1950 Model 70 300 H&H with B&L Balvar 2 1/2-8 tapered cross hairs with B&L quick detach plunger mount. Shoots 180gr. Sierra SPBT @3100 fps With 68 grains IMR 4350. Zero @ 200yds minus 36 @ 500yds. Like you said a true classic beauty.
You are right. The recoil of the 300 H&H is not near as bad as a .338 or a .375 after watching you shoot your rifle. Superb video on this wonderful round that I have always admired but never owned nor could afford such a rifle.
Hey Pardner ! 👋 greetings from Henderson NV. I will tell you one thing , the 300 H/H is the most versatile and de lux ,fanciest caliber in the world 🌎 I will be saving money soon to own one ! Love your videos . You are a top notch shooting guy ! With a ton of knowledge.
"Target practice on live animals". Veery well put. I have rubbed some people the wrong way at my local range by saying basically the same thing to...more than one owner of a 5000$ 6.5 creedmoor "hunting rig". Complete with 32x nightforce. More money than sence usually.
Good argument for the .300 H&H. I've owned an M-70 in .300 Win Mag. I loved it, but it was much more gun than I ever needed in the woods of Kentucky. I'd have been happy with the H&H, since I reload almost exclusively but you don't find them on gunstore shelves. You gotta love the history and legacy of the H&H round though. Good on you for your love of the 300 H&H.
According to my info; the tapered cartridge case gives a more complete powder burn upon ignition. It also has a quicker extraction time for that reason.A .30/'o6 improved will ALMOST duplicate the 300 H&H's ballistics.
Great video. I own pre-64 Model 70 in 300hh. In fact i have owned two. It is an impressive round. The one I kept has a Leupold LPS 2.5x10 on it with Talley steel bases. With handloads I can put five shots in one hole off the bags at 100 yards. Even with the steel buttplate on the factory stock, recoil is nothin.
I still hunt with a 300 H&H in a PreWar Model 70, I have a Leopold 3.5x10 40mm CDS I reload with it Nosler 180AB with a Stiff load of IMR 4350. It’s my Big Gun for Elk & Bears. Deer and Antelope.264 Win Mag
I've always wanted one of the 300H&H M70's but they're pretty scarce. I'm not too worried about ammo concerns because I own a couple of 22lr's for fun at the range. Currently, I own M70's in 257 Roberts, 270Win, 7x57, and a 375H&H. A 300H&H would fit right in the ol gun safe. Browning made a 300H&H within the last few years so maybe I'll run across one when I have the money. That rifle of yours, your grandfather's, was gorgeous. Some people freak out over refurbishing old rifles but when done tastefully, keeping a good rifle in the field is always a rewarding experience. Enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing!
That Model 70 in 7x57 must be a sweet rifle, I'm hoping either Winchester will bring back the chambering or I'll finally run across a good used one. Is it a Pre 64?
@@willrowell3218 My 7x57 was one of the South Carolina FN featherweight models. I bought it for my daughter because it's easier on the shoulder. It has a Swarovski 1.25-4x24 and Talley rings. Luckily, it handles both 139 & 175 grain bullets like a champ. I prefer the 175's because they drop animals in their tracks!
The only magnum I own is a pre 64 model 70 in .300 H&H. I bought it in Newfoundland years ago when a “.300 magnum” was advertised in a local paper. It was a late 1950s rifle that reportedly was bought by a Bell Island ferry captain. It came with two boxes of Winchester Western cartridges that were bought with the rifle, of which only 8 were fired. It had never had a scope mounted, but I mounted a fixed Leopold 6X in Weaver rings to be period accurate. I’ve shot two NL moose with 190 grain Hornady bullets as that what I had. Bang / flop. I don’t use it often as I don’t need the power and range often but it is a beauty when I need it, or just decide to use it. It is the best handling and shooting pre-64 model 70 that I’ve owned and I’ve owned a few. I tend to favour 180 grain Nosler partitions now @2900 fps which is a moderate load but it shoots amazing and just plain works. Long live the Super .30!!
Great video. Very educational and all the info is presented in a very clear, no-nonsense and unbiased fashion. But what I appreciate most is the fact that you’re not beating around the bush in regards to extreme-long-range-hunting. Most channels are reluctant to speak out on this subject, they don’t wanna “offend” anyone with their opinion (no matter how just that opinion may be) as not to lose any views/subscribers. It’s refreshing to see someone who isn’t afraid to call it “target-practice on living animals”, suggests to some of his viewers to put some more time and effort in their hunt...or even tells them to get their ass in shape.
Forgot to add that opening day, October, 12, 2019 I shot the biggest Blacktail anyone in my hunting party has ever seen. When I checked the zero of my brand new .270 near camp in freezing temperatures it miss fired twice. I always bring a spare which is my "Old Reliable" Pre-64 M-70 in .300 H&H! Love that rifle! It certainly did the job!
I sure wish the 300 h&h was still produced. I’d love to be an owner of one. It looks like the h&h mag does better with heavier bullets as well with the much longer neck and case. I think a 30-06 or a practical 300 mag paired with a 375 h&h is a absolutely perfect pairing for Alaska big game hunting
I just bought a brand new one this weekend!!! Ruger number 1. I think it will be fine for moose and caribou. I just have to practice reloading it fast. Even without shooting it it yet I have no buyers remorse lol I did somewhat with my winny 70 in 375 H&H bit that passed fast lol. I so over the moon 🌙 about this cartridge and rifle!!!
This was some awesome information. Never been around the 300 H+H mag. First owned a Sako 300 win mag then got the new model 70 300 wsm the year it was born. Always with 3.5x10x50 Leupold scope for Alaska as a hunter and guide. Trapper scotty,Alaskan
I always assumed the magnum actions were longer/heavier. They aren't. Pre-64s use the same receiver, bolt diameter and length, and action screw spacing. There is more machining of the receiver for the magnum cartridge, which actually makes it lighter..I'm going to be ordering a Mcmillan "Mcwoody" stock for my 1955 H&H shortly and hope to get it out in the field again this fall. Love the old .300 H&H! Thanks for the great content.
I have three, 300's, The win mag, The wby mag, and the H&H. The 300 H&H is the most efficient , Best accuracy and less recoil than the rest. The modern 30 mags don't do anything better than the old H&H. It's just like the old 270 WCF, They can't improve on that one either. By the way Nosler Accubonds are the most accurate bullets in all my rifles. Great video and I agree that shots beyond 500 yards should be on paper only. Just bought another 300 H&H in a REM 721/26'' barrel, Should be a shooter. Think I'll bed it and install a Timney/Calvin elite on it set at 8oz and a good Leupold. Happy, Happy!
Wow. Great job on a truthful and realistic look at the 300 h&h. Im left handed so theres not a wide selection out there so I stick to traditional leverguns, a few single shots, and the Ruger GSR 308 lefty and a lefty Ruger compact rifle in 338RCM. These are good enough for elk and deer. I can only dream of how smooth feeding your old 300h&h.
Thank you for this video! I´m about to make a 300HH based on a very good Mauser 98 action with an excellent South African Musgrave barrel and wood stock. Hope to obtain as good result as you did with your Grandfather rifle. Your video is as good as always, to the point from the hunter point of view.
I inherited a Winchester Model 70 pre 64...and recently found a Remington 721 also chambered for 300 H&H... I am surprised you didn't mention the Remington offering. Both have been rarely shot..like new even though they are almost 100 years old
I just put a Remington 700 classic in .300 H & H Magnum on deposit, even got a box of ammo with it. I've been a fan of the gun for about 20 years but never really jumped on one until today.
TY 1 l agree. For a hand loader the .3006 is still the most well balanced versatile cartridge out there. There is the law of “diminishing returns which means that anything over 2900 to 3000 fps is just meaning less numbers.With the modern powders and bullets like Barnes 165 grn. TSX. The .3006 Spring field is the ultimate in accuraccy shootability and plain knock down power.Extremely well balanced cartridge just like 7x57 Mauser. Thank you🇨🇦🤠
The "magnum" receiver on a Pre64 model 70 300 H&H is actually lighter than that of the 300 win mag. They start out as the same size chunk of billet and more material is removed for the full length magnum case. Two model 70s with the same barrel and driving the same bullet at the same speed will recoil in proportion to powder charge and receiver weight. Where the 300H&H picks up a slight edge in recoil is from the fact that it uses less powder than the win mag to reach a given velocity.
I am fortunate to have 2 Super.30 Rifles. Sako and an FN Browning. I would love to find a pre '64 M70, but I believe they were made for only one year. Expensive for sure! Love the cartridge. I shoot it more than the .300 Win. Mag M70 I have.
The 300 win mag was only made for one year not the 300 H&H! But still hard to find caliber. 60+ year gun collector and always have my eyes out for another beautiful rifle to take under my wings to care for🤔😳
Awesome video on a pretty sweet cartridge, how about a video on 7x57 Mauser and WDM Bell? I know you talked about Bell in the Authors video but it would be very interesting to hear more history behind the 7x57.
Excellent! I like your 5 shot groups as 3-shot groups can be miseading. I live in Alaska and shoot a .270 and 300 H & H Remington 700. For the 300 H &H I reload Barnes TTSX 180gr with IMR 4831. Factory ammo is pretty expensive in Alaska >$75 for 300 H &H 180gr accubonds, so I reload instead.
I hunted with a guy new to deer hunting. Wonderful guy. Dude bought a 338 Lapua to shoot whitetails in an area where they don't get more than 180 pounds. Shots may be far, but mostly they are 250 yards or less. He killed a nice buck at 175 yds with it and was up set it ran 10 yards before it died. He hit it back of the lungs/ liver. I hate to see what would have happened if he hit heavy bone. Most people don't understand what they need and what works. Gun writers don't do the general public any favors either today. They all seem to butt kiss the major companies to get free hunting trips
300 H&H brass sold by Nosler, is manufactured in Sweden 🇸🇪. In other words, its Norma brass. I confirmed this with a tech a Nosler. Nosler and Norma have a very close relationship, and Norma still manufactures some European oddball (300H&H) calibers for them. Norma doesn’t prep and sort the brass though. That’s done by Nosler.
Desert Dog Outdoors - Btw, I just bought some Hornady brass for the 300 H&H. It consistently mics .001” more than Norma brass. Norma brass mics .012” and Hornady .013”.
You might look for the brass that says Norma on it because it’s less money then their brass that says Nosler and is the same brass but a lot less money😳
I like your stock on your 300H-H I just bought a a pre 64 in a 300 H-H it is going to be nice for elk hunting the one i am getting has a old old Bushnell scope that probably was on it when it was new back in 1954 also bueller mounts
Hunted al sorts of game all over the US, and I have to say that past experiences tell me that anything over 500 yards is target practice. With that said, in extreme cases I would shoot past 500 when I have no cover. In mountainous terrain sometimes. I’ve used 300 to 340 weatherby on elk to big bears and in the later the power to anchor big bears is very much needed and appreciated. The 300 H&H is a great cartridge, but in soy cases though small I prefer the big boys. Good vid
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The 300 win mag is still a great cartridge, performance is always relative. If a 300H&H outperforms its younger sibling then that makes it a fantastic cartridge!
It does, but requires a 375 H&H length magnum receiver. As rifle manufactures raced to produce the cheapest rifles in the mid 60's, the 300WM was an obvious winner to keep production costs down. Like I said, anything that throws a 180gr projectile over 3000fps is going to kill and shoot flat. Both cartridges do this.
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Would you be willing to share some of your Barnes bullets load data? I currently shoot 180 grain Nosler's with Norma MRP powder in my Pre-64 M-70 .300 H&H which works well of course, but I would like to come up with some non lead loads just in case. Mine is an original factory rife that has been glass bedded, free floated and had the trigger done. Excellent video sir, keep them coming!
Start by trying the the 175gr LRX with H4831sc at .040-.045" off the lands. Nosler brass and magnum primers. Run an OCW test to find the best powder charge, then tweak seating depth to fine tune the load. I bet you find an incredible load with that combo.
Since reloading data for the 300 H&H is hard to come by, especially with newer powders and bullets, I thought I’d share this. "A few years ago my friend Charlie Sisk, the well-known custom riflesmith from Texas, built a heavy-barreled .300 H&H and shot the rifle with half-a-dozen handloads in his indoor range. He then rechambered the same barrel for the .300 WSM and tried the same powders and bullets. Muzzle velocities and strain-gauge pressures were carefully recorded. Guess what ? The results turned out to be practically identical in every way, despite the extreme differences in case shape. The reason for this coincidence is simple: The powder capacity of both cases is practically identical". -- John Barsness, The Big Book of Gun Gack: The Hunter's Guide to Handloading Rifle Cartridges, 2015. Remember to always start a few grains below maximum.
Yep, I've stated this numerous times in my own findings. I missed that quote from John Barsness, but I 100% agree (thanks for sharing that). The 300 H&H is my favorite magnum because it feeds so smooth, is super efficient, doesn't need really slow powders, and is just cool as hell. But I will also concede that the 300wsm is the most "practical" 30-caliber magnum.
I have read the same quote but think something was left out. Say for instance, you built a 26 inch barrel chambered for the 300 H&H magnum, and then wanted to rechamber it to 300 WSM. looking at the case dimensions, I don't see how this could be possible with the exact same barrel and still end up with the exact same 26 inch barrel. I can see having a 26 inch barrel in 257 Roberts and being able to rechamber it for the 25-06 and still having the exact same 26 inch barrel, but I don't see how you could possibly convert a 300 H&H chamber to a 300 WSM.
@@fedup3582 I’m not completely understanding your question, but let me say this. No one is going to rechamber a 300 H&H into a 300 WSM. The former is a magnum actio, and the latter is a short action.
@@falba1492 you are not understanding my question because I didn't ask a question. I made a comment about your comment where you stated Charlie Sisk made a 300 H&H barrel, shot it, then rechambered the same barrel to 300 WSM and got the same ballistics out of the WSM as he did the H&H , from the same barrel.
I had a chance,years ago,of buying a mint condition Belgian Browning,with a Mauser action,for $800.I kick myself,every time I think about.The action was butter smooth,and the whole gun,was just sweet.Ive owned a 300 Winchester Mag,and liked it,but I really want to get a H&H.Ive been wanting one for 30 years,but just kept buying other ones,but I want to save up and buy one,or have one built.
A great cartridge. Extremely accurate and as easy to shoot as the 30-06 but with more reach. Besides it’s a sexy-looking sleek cartridge. The Jessica Rabbit of cartridges! Ha, ha!
Nope, I load my own. I saw some boxes of Hornady 300H&H ammo at Sportsmans Warehouse, but Haven't seen the Barnes Vortx ammo for that cartridge in a couple years. If you own a 300H&H, I suggest you reload; factory ammo is a little on the weak side for this cartridge.
I feel personally attacked lol I love my 300wby. I do shoot it in a Mark V 10 pound rifle with its stock muzzle break so the recoil isn’t bad at all. That being said, it’s cool to see what kicked off these .30 cal magnums, I’d definitely trade you my mark v for that 300 H&H 😅
I have a pre 65 Winchester 300 H&H model 70 in mint condition. All original. I’ve had such a hard time finding ammo in Canada for this I was forced to buy a 308. Is there anywhere where this ammo is available?
I also have a Winchester Model 70 from 1947 that I inherited from my father. I haven’t fired it in years but would like to find more ammunition for it.
Here in South-Africa the 300H&H has a cult following. I have a custom built 26'' barrel with a Oberndorf Mauser 98 on Turkish walnut. I have handloaded all sorts of bullets and velocities over the last 13 years. I have shot anything from a jackal, wart-hog to kudu and eland. In a very weird situation I once had to take a cape buffalo down. One shot, with old Winchester Super X 220grn(Silver tip). I get extremely small groups. My conclusion after a while was to settle on monolithic bullets. The premium conventional bullets such as Nosler Accubond(big fan of Nosler), simply could not contain the terminal velocity/energy. The 180grn's grouped best at 3100fs. For a long time I used mono's such as Barnes TTSX 150grn @3200fs. My go to hunting combo now is 180grn Mono 's such as Barnes TSX or TTSX at 3045fs.Since I have been using mono's, I have not been able to retrieve a single bullet, all were through and through. Even Eland bulls shot through the front blades and vitals. As an African hunter I can tell you that the 300H&H does not negotiate with its prey!!! thanks for the vid it is excellent.
The case configuration was definitely a plus back in 1912 when the cartridge was introduced. Hot temperatures combined with powder that was not temperature stable could lead to higher pressure causing extraction problems. Having said that ( and I know that some people will call me a fudd,) the. 30-'06 will do anything that the .300 H&H will do, as long as you are 100 yards closer.
great vid bro , when something is needed more than the great 30 06 which is not necessary it will fit tbe bill , like I told you recently , write a book , you da man !!!!!!
Any .308 caliber rifle bullet will work with your 300H&H loads (assuming you are taking about "BULLETS" and not "CARTRIDGES"), but I recommend weights from 168gr to 200gr.
Glad to see a fellow sportsman who appreciates the 300 H&H. I own a 100% original 1950 M70 in 300 H&H, the barrel just says 300 Magnum . It shoots 180 grain Sierra soft point boat tails using 68 grains of IMR 4350 at 3050 fps. Optics are vintage Boush and Lomb Balvar 2.5-8 with their quick detach plunger mount bases. Shoots sub MOA
It is fantastic that you are using the old H&H instead of letting it rot in a safe.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 I had another 1952 Model 70 300 H&H monte carlo first year the smothest action ever. I let a buddy use it deer hunting and he got his first deer with it so I sold it to him. As Charlie Brown would say Uggg. It sure was a 100% beauty too.
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Do you know someone manufacturing non-lead ammo for 300 H&H?
Thank in advance for your feedback
I have a 1952 Model 70 in 300 H&H. It has shot a lot of deer and a caribou. Wouldn't part with it.
I have a 700 Classic Remington, in .300 H&H on layaway. I sold my pre 64 to my nephew, but I found that I had to get another Holland Super 30 so that I could sleep at night. Beautiful review, well spoken and filled with good sense.
Objectively, the 700 is a fine rifle. I had a 721 in 300 H&H for awhile and now have a pre 64 model 70. In my opinion, the model 70 is a much better rifle, but I have never been able to warm too much to the Remington rifle. I guess I am just biased.
@@fedup3582 I don't like them either.I had a 1952 Model 70 in 300 H&H with a nice Vortex scope, til I figured my Nephew needed it more than I do.
I have always loved the lore of the 300 H&H. I have recently begun acquiring Ruger #1's in odd or classic calibers for my collection. A couple of months back I was able to purchase an unfired 2014
Ruger #1 in 300 h&H gorgeous rifle and let's just say it is now slightly fired. Absolutely love it!
refreshing to hear you talk down these 1000 yard “hunters “ . Nothing pisses me off more . So many animals get injured and walk off to suffer and die all to feed some a-holes ego . I hunt with a 325wsm and my favourite …the 35 Whelen . Both capable 400 and under cartridges . Great video 👍
An vietnam vet approached me while I was shooting my 300 H& H at the rifle range. He told me that the 300 H&H was a favored sniper rifle in the Vietnam war. I also have a pre 64 Winchester model 70. Mine was made in 1959. It’s all original and shot like a champ! I hit a small target from 120 yds out and nailed it! I love this rifle!
Awesome truthful review! You and I obviously have a lot in common...We both love Win 70's, Leupold scopes, Warne rings/bases, and old "proven" cartridges!! Well done sir!
I’ve got a Remington model 700 Classic in 300 H and H, that I bought new in 1984. It will never be traded or sold. It is my favorite 30 caliber cartridge. I’ve reloaded it for many years, but in the last 4-5 years I’ve been using Nosler 180 grain factory ammo with great results. Thanks for an excellent video.
Expertly cycles the entire magazine and says, “I’d have to agree with that.”
Awesome!
Gonna share this video with my brother who inherited this model from my dad. A 1953/54 Connecticut model.
That rifle is a treasure. I see them on gun racks at gun shows here in Texas quite regular but no one is buying unless it is an old fart like me that sees the value and nostalgia in these older pre64's. I have my eye on a 50's model but I know I will never come up with $1800 for it, but I can dream huh? Wonderful review done right.
I love your rifle! My grandfather also hunted with a 50's vintage Model 70 300H&H. One of my cousins inherited it when he passed, and it hasn't seen the light of day since! One of these days he will need money, and I'll be ready!
Get it out of jail, freshen it up, and get it out in the field where that classic rifle really wants to be.
If you cannot free this 300 H&H, Its a lot of fun finding and resurrecting pre64 model 70's. Parts are getting scarce - but that just makes it all the more fulfilling!
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 2 years later update. Got tired of waiting for my cousin to sell, so I went and found a twin to it. Got a 1950 model 70 "300 Magnum", traded a vx6 scope for it. Can't wait to hunt with it this year.
No amount of convincing will change my mind that the H&H is the most inherently accurate, and smoothest feeder outta all the .30 magnums. It’s a nostalgic round that’s as relevant today as any. 👍🏻
I have a 1955 model 70, in this caliber and it is exceptionally accurate with elk loads in 180 grains. Just a pleasure to shoot. It is now in the possession of my oldest grandson. Very easy to reload. With the gentle slope in the shoulder, you are unlikely to ever get a stuck case.
1950 Model 70 300 H&H with B&L Balvar 2 1/2-8 tapered cross hairs with B&L quick detach plunger mount. Shoots 180gr. Sierra SPBT @3100 fps With 68 grains IMR 4350. Zero @ 200yds minus 36 @ 500yds. Like you said a true classic beauty.
You are right. The recoil of the 300 H&H is not near as bad as a .338 or a .375 after watching you shoot your rifle. Superb video on this wonderful round that I have always admired but never owned nor could afford such a rifle.
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Well said Sir! From South Africa.
Hey Pardner ! 👋 greetings from Henderson NV. I will tell you one thing , the 300 H/H is the most versatile and de lux ,fanciest caliber in the world 🌎 I will be saving money soon to own one ! Love your videos . You are a top notch shooting guy ! With a ton of knowledge.
Grandpa's rifle will always have the super cool factor no matter what ❤️
"Target practice on live animals". Veery well put. I have rubbed some people the wrong way at my local range by saying basically the same thing to...more than one owner of a 5000$ 6.5 creedmoor "hunting rig". Complete with 32x nightforce. More money than sence usually.
Good argument for the .300 H&H. I've owned an M-70 in .300 Win Mag. I loved it, but it was much more gun than I ever needed in the woods of Kentucky. I'd have been happy with the H&H, since I reload almost exclusively but you don't find them on gunstore shelves. You gotta love the history and legacy of the H&H round though. Good on you for your love of the 300 H&H.
It's legacy lives on, since it is the parent of most belted .30 cal. magnums. Even so, the offspring haven't stolen all it's thunder.
I used to own a Remington 721 chambered in 300 H&H and I have to admit it was very pleasant to shoot I wished I never sold it.
According to my info; the tapered cartridge case gives a more complete powder burn upon ignition. It also has a quicker extraction time for that reason.A .30/'o6 improved will ALMOST duplicate the 300 H&H's ballistics.
Brilliant. Greetings from South Africa.
That stock is beautiful!
Awesome video as usual. You have a dream rifle collection going on. I too own most of the rifles and calibers you show so well. You do us proud!
Great video. I own pre-64 Model 70 in 300hh. In fact i have owned two. It is an impressive round. The one I kept has a Leupold LPS 2.5x10 on it with Talley steel bases. With handloads I can put five shots in one hole off the bags at 100 yards. Even with the steel buttplate on the factory stock, recoil is nothin.
I still hunt with a 300 H&H in a PreWar Model 70, I have a Leopold 3.5x10 40mm CDS I reload with it Nosler 180AB with a Stiff load of IMR 4350. It’s my Big Gun for Elk & Bears. Deer and Antelope.264 Win Mag
Great gun, great cartridge, great bullet, great powder, great scope.
I've always wanted one of the 300H&H M70's but they're pretty scarce. I'm not too worried about ammo concerns because I own a couple of 22lr's for fun at the range. Currently, I own M70's in 257 Roberts, 270Win, 7x57, and a 375H&H. A 300H&H would fit right in the ol gun safe. Browning made a 300H&H within the last few years so maybe I'll run across one when I have the money.
That rifle of yours, your grandfather's, was gorgeous. Some people freak out over refurbishing old rifles but when done tastefully, keeping a good rifle in the field is always a rewarding experience.
Enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing!
That Model 70 in 7x57 must be a sweet rifle, I'm hoping either Winchester will bring back the chambering or I'll finally run across a good used one. Is it a Pre 64?
@@willrowell3218 My 7x57 was one of the South Carolina FN featherweight models. I bought it for my daughter because it's easier on the shoulder. It has a Swarovski 1.25-4x24 and Talley rings. Luckily, it handles both 139 & 175 grain bullets like a champ. I prefer the 175's because they drop animals in their tracks!
The only magnum I own is a pre 64 model 70 in .300 H&H. I bought it in Newfoundland years ago when a “.300 magnum” was advertised in a local paper. It was a late 1950s rifle that reportedly was bought by a Bell Island ferry captain. It came with two boxes of Winchester Western cartridges that were bought with the rifle, of which only 8 were fired. It had never had a scope mounted, but I mounted a fixed Leopold 6X in Weaver rings to be period accurate. I’ve shot two NL moose with 190 grain Hornady bullets as that what I had. Bang / flop. I don’t use it often as I don’t need the power and range often but it is a beauty when I need it, or just decide to use it. It is the best handling and shooting pre-64 model 70 that I’ve owned and I’ve owned a few. I tend to favour 180 grain Nosler partitions now @2900 fps which is a moderate load but it shoots amazing and just plain works. Long live the Super .30!!
Great video- learned quite a lot about iconic H&H. .300 WSM hunter
Weee I just picked me up one in a Ruger number 1 I’m over the moon to start hunting with it!!!
Great video. Very educational and all the info is presented in a very clear, no-nonsense and unbiased fashion.
But what I appreciate most is the fact that you’re not beating around the bush in regards to extreme-long-range-hunting. Most channels are reluctant to speak out on this subject, they don’t wanna “offend” anyone with their opinion (no matter how just that opinion may be) as not to lose any views/subscribers.
It’s refreshing to see someone who isn’t afraid to call it “target-practice on living animals”, suggests to some of his viewers to put some more time and effort in their hunt...or even tells them to get their ass in shape.
Forgot to add that opening day, October, 12, 2019 I shot the biggest Blacktail anyone in my hunting party has ever seen. When I checked the zero of my brand new .270 near camp in freezing temperatures it miss fired twice. I always bring a spare which is my "Old Reliable" Pre-64 M-70 in .300 H&H! Love that rifle! It certainly did the job!
I sure wish the 300 h&h was still produced. I’d love to be an owner of one. It looks like the h&h mag does better with heavier bullets as well with the much longer neck and case. I think a 30-06 or a practical 300 mag paired with a 375 h&h is a absolutely perfect pairing for Alaska big game hunting
I just bought a brand new one this weekend!!! Ruger number 1. I think it will be fine for moose and caribou. I just have to practice reloading it fast. Even without shooting it it yet I have no buyers remorse lol I did somewhat with my winny 70 in 375 H&H bit that passed fast lol. I so over the moon 🌙 about this cartridge and rifle!!!
I love my 1947 Win. Mod. 70 .300 H&H.
This was some awesome information. Never been around the 300 H+H mag. First owned a Sako 300 win mag then got the new model 70 300 wsm the year it was born. Always with 3.5x10x50 Leupold scope for Alaska as a hunter and guide. Trapper scotty,Alaskan
Really appreciate the well worded, video. Thank you sir . Gentleman and a scholar 👍🏽
I always assumed the magnum actions were longer/heavier. They aren't. Pre-64s use the same receiver, bolt diameter and length, and action screw spacing. There is more machining of the receiver for the magnum cartridge, which actually makes it lighter..I'm going to be ordering a Mcmillan "Mcwoody" stock for my 1955 H&H shortly and hope to get it out in the field again this fall. Love the old .300 H&H! Thanks for the great content.
Excellent video man. I personally own a 300 H&H Magnum, and learned a lot through the video. Keep it up man🤘.
I have one too in Enfield action. Starting to learn how to reload it. Sometimes, I wish it were 30-06!
.375 hh for the win.
Just a quick note that might be of interest. A south african gun maker called Musgrave chambers their factory firearms in this caliber.
Although not available here in the States, I completely forgot about Musgrave. Love those rifles built on a VZ-24 action!!!
Mine is a re-chambered 1917 Eddystone Enfield.
@@wyomarine6341 Am considering taking my 300 H/H on out to to .300Wthby; but can't really see why; xcept for ammo availability.
Awesome 👍 beautiful rifle and great classic cartridge. Thanks for sharing
I have three, 300's, The win mag, The wby mag, and the H&H. The 300 H&H is the most efficient , Best accuracy and less recoil than the rest. The modern 30 mags don't do anything better than the old H&H. It's just like the old 270 WCF, They can't improve on that one either. By the way Nosler Accubonds are the most accurate bullets in all my rifles. Great video and I agree that shots beyond 500 yards should be on paper only. Just bought another 300 H&H in a REM 721/26'' barrel, Should be a shooter. Think I'll bed it and install a Timney/Calvin elite on it set at 8oz and a good Leupold. Happy, Happy!
Having shot, hunted, and loaded all of those rounds; I agree. The old H&H never really was improved upon.
I agree. I have the .300Win and have had the .300WBY but if Winchester brought out the Model 70 again in .300H&H I’d be all over it.
Exacy very efficient cartrige and has a shove I stead of a kick
Beautiful caliber and gun, congratulation.
Wow. Great job on a truthful and realistic look at the 300 h&h. Im left handed so theres not a wide selection out there so I stick to traditional leverguns, a few single shots, and the Ruger GSR 308 lefty and a lefty Ruger compact rifle in 338RCM. These are good enough for elk and deer. I can only dream of how smooth feeding your old 300h&h.
Gorgeous rifle. You are so right about the smooth feeding of that cartridge.
It is a caliber that deserves a resurgence. It’s a great round.
Very well explained and interesting thanks
Yup the 300 H&H is one of the best big game cartridges ever.
I agree.
And an ALL-AROUND bigger game cartridge it also is ; all the way up to lions and tigers.
Thank you for this video! I´m about to make a 300HH based on a very good Mauser 98 action with an excellent South African Musgrave barrel and wood stock. Hope to obtain as good result as you did with your Grandfather rifle. Your video is as good as always, to the point from the hunter point of view.
I inherited a Winchester Model 70 pre 64...and recently found a Remington 721 also chambered for 300 H&H... I am surprised you didn't mention the Remington offering. Both have been rarely shot..like new even though they are almost 100 years old
Maybe because the 700 rem is not a control round feed but the model 70 is CRF and that’s what he hunts with.
I just put a Remington 700 classic in .300 H & H Magnum on deposit, even got a box of ammo with it. I've been a fan of the gun for about 20 years but never really jumped on one until today.
Good choice on the classic 300 H&H I have one you Weill love it!
same here but due to lack of money (wife,kids,cars,booze,) you know the usual!
love my .300 H&H, got it as I can reload up or down from a 30-06, and can get some nice ammo already made.
That basically sums it up. The 300H&H is a flatter shooting 30-06 that has almost the same recoil.
It can be loaded down to use as a deer rifle? I want one rifle that can do a lot. Thanks for any info.
30-06 is the best all around rifle IF you are a skilled reloader. Bullet tech and availability today is fantastic. That H&H is beautiful though...
TY 1 l agree. For a hand loader the .3006 is still the most well balanced versatile cartridge out there. There is the law of “diminishing returns which means that anything over 2900 to 3000 fps is just meaning less numbers.With the modern powders and bullets like Barnes 165 grn. TSX. The .3006 Spring field is the ultimate in accuraccy shootability and plain knock down power.Extremely well balanced cartridge just like 7x57 Mauser. Thank you🇨🇦🤠
The "magnum" receiver on a Pre64 model 70 300 H&H is actually lighter than that of the 300 win mag. They start out as the same size chunk of billet and more material is removed for the full length magnum case. Two model 70s with the same barrel and driving the same bullet at the same speed will recoil in proportion to powder charge and receiver weight. Where the 300H&H picks up a slight edge in recoil is from the fact that it uses less powder than the win mag to reach a given velocity.
Great video sir!
Yes, great video. I checked for availability of the 300 H&H in the Ruger #1. One failed to sell at auction twice. Wish I had one.
I am fortunate to have 2 Super.30 Rifles. Sako and an FN Browning. I would love to find a pre '64 M70, but I believe they were made for only one year. Expensive for sure! Love the cartridge. I shoot it more than the .300 Win. Mag M70 I have.
The 300 win mag was only made for one year not the 300 H&H! But still hard to find caliber. 60+ year gun collector and always have my eyes out for another beautiful rifle to take under my wings to care for🤔😳
That some seriously impressive accuracy for such a pretty gun!
I love both my 375 and 300 H&H rifles.
Awesome video on a pretty sweet cartridge, how about a video on 7x57 Mauser and WDM Bell? I know you talked about Bell in the Authors video but it would be very interesting to hear more history behind the 7x57.
Excellent! I like your 5 shot groups as 3-shot groups can be miseading. I live in Alaska and shoot a .270 and 300 H & H Remington 700. For the 300 H &H I reload Barnes TTSX 180gr with IMR 4831. Factory ammo is pretty expensive in Alaska >$75 for 300 H &H 180gr accubonds, so I reload instead.
If you get the opportunity, try the 175gr Barnes LRX. You get the same TTSX performance, but my groups shrank significantly.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Thanks! Do you seat the LRX 50/1000" from the lands?
@@RetrieverTrainingAlone my 300 H&H barrel likes around. 040" off the lands.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 THANKS!
My r700 .300hh was my grandfathers in Alaska as well
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I hunted with a guy new to deer hunting. Wonderful guy. Dude bought a 338 Lapua to shoot whitetails in an area where they don't get more than 180 pounds. Shots may be far, but mostly they are 250 yards or less. He killed a nice buck at 175 yds with it and was up set it ran 10 yards before it died. He hit it back of the lungs/ liver. I hate to see what would have happened if he hit heavy bone. Most people don't understand what they need and what works. Gun writers don't do the general public any favors either today. They all seem to butt kiss the major companies to get free hunting trips
300 H&H brass sold by Nosler, is manufactured in Sweden 🇸🇪. In other words, its Norma brass. I confirmed this with a tech a Nosler. Nosler and Norma have a very close relationship, and Norma still manufactures some European oddball (300H&H) calibers for them. Norma doesn’t prep and sort the brass though. That’s done by Nosler.
This would explain the exceptional quality.
Desert Dog Outdoors - Btw, I just bought some Hornady brass for the 300 H&H. It consistently mics .001” more than Norma brass. Norma brass mics .012” and Hornady .013”.
You might look for the brass that says Norma on it because it’s less money then their brass that says Nosler and is the same brass but a lot less money😳
@@edwardabrams4972 With 300 H&H, sometimes you just have to buy what’s available. You don’t always have a choice these days.
I like your stock on your 300H-H I just bought a a pre 64 in a 300 H-H it is going to be nice for elk hunting the one i am getting has a old old Bushnell scope that probably was on it when it was new back in 1954 also bueller mounts
Scott , mine is a 1955 vintage m70 and it does an outstanding job on elk
Was just given a beautiful 1955 M70 in 300 H&H beautiful old rifle fun to shoot!
I like your style!
Hunted al sorts of game all over the US, and I have to say that past experiences tell me that anything over 500 yards is target practice. With that said, in extreme cases I would shoot past 500 when I have no cover. In mountainous terrain sometimes. I’ve used 300 to 340 weatherby on elk to big bears and in the later the power to anchor big bears is very much needed and appreciated. The 300 H&H is a great cartridge, but in soy cases though small I prefer the big boys. Good vid
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Love my Model 721 in 300 H&H
The 300 win mag is still a great cartridge, performance is always relative. If a 300H&H outperforms its younger sibling then that makes it a fantastic cartridge!
It does, but requires a 375 H&H length magnum receiver. As rifle manufactures raced to produce the cheapest rifles in the mid 60's, the 300WM was an obvious winner to keep production costs down. Like I said, anything that throws a 180gr projectile over 3000fps is going to kill and shoot flat. Both cartridges do this.
Thanks to the author. The best channel about hunting, weapons and ammo. I really like the author's logical thinking, his evidence of his point of view on the questions posed. Sorry for my English, I'm Ukrainian. After the Victory over Russia, we will also enjoy hunting
That is a beautiful rifle . Really cool
Excellent video ,absolutely spot on.I don't no why Winchester went down the route of the short magnum ,some say that is the reason they went broke!
In theory; a "short burn" cartridge doesn't waste powder, and produces a quicker burn. However; Black Powder does too.
Love your videos tell it like it is
Would you be willing to share some of your Barnes bullets load data? I currently shoot 180 grain Nosler's with Norma MRP powder in my Pre-64 M-70 .300 H&H which works well of course, but I would like to come up with some non lead loads just in case. Mine is an original factory rife that has been glass bedded, free floated and had the trigger done. Excellent video sir, keep them coming!
Start by trying the the 175gr LRX with H4831sc at .040-.045" off the lands. Nosler brass and magnum primers. Run an OCW test to find the best powder charge, then tweak seating depth to fine tune the load. I bet you find an incredible load with that combo.
I'm with you DD. I'm old school and ill take an H&H over all the 300 pre-Madonna's.
Love my 300h&h and my 375h&h both amazing rounds
Since reloading data for the 300 H&H is hard to come by, especially with newer powders and bullets, I thought I’d share this.
"A few years ago my friend Charlie Sisk, the well-known custom riflesmith from Texas, built a heavy-barreled .300 H&H and shot the rifle with half-a-dozen handloads in his indoor range. He then rechambered the same barrel for the .300 WSM and tried the same powders and bullets. Muzzle velocities and strain-gauge pressures were carefully recorded. Guess what ? The results turned out to be practically identical in every way, despite the extreme differences in case shape. The reason for this coincidence is simple: The powder capacity of both cases is practically identical". -- John Barsness, The Big Book of Gun Gack: The Hunter's Guide to Handloading Rifle Cartridges, 2015.
Remember to always start a few grains below maximum.
Yep, I've stated this numerous times in my own findings. I missed that quote from John Barsness, but I 100% agree (thanks for sharing that). The 300 H&H is my favorite magnum because it feeds so smooth, is super efficient, doesn't need really slow powders, and is just cool as hell. But I will also concede that the 300wsm is the most "practical" 30-caliber magnum.
I have read the same quote but think something was left out. Say for instance, you built a 26 inch barrel chambered for the 300 H&H magnum, and then wanted to rechamber it to 300 WSM. looking at the case dimensions, I don't see how this could be possible with the exact same barrel and still end up with the exact same 26 inch barrel. I can see having a 26 inch barrel in 257 Roberts and being able to rechamber it for the 25-06 and still having the exact same 26 inch barrel, but I don't see how you could possibly convert a 300 H&H chamber to a 300 WSM.
@@fedup3582 I’m not completely understanding your question, but let me say this. No one is going to rechamber a 300 H&H into a 300 WSM. The former is a magnum actio, and the latter is a short action.
@@falba1492 you are not understanding my question because I didn't ask a question. I made a comment about your comment where you stated Charlie Sisk made a 300 H&H barrel, shot it, then rechambered the same barrel to 300 WSM and got the same ballistics out of the WSM as he did the H&H , from the same barrel.
@@falba1492 and I know exactly what a 300 H&H is and what a 300 WSM is, I have owned and used multiples of both for years now.
I had a chance,years ago,of buying a mint condition Belgian Browning,with a Mauser action,for $800.I kick myself,every time I think about.The action was butter smooth,and the whole gun,was just sweet.Ive owned a 300 Winchester Mag,and liked it,but I really want to get a H&H.Ive been wanting one for 30 years,but just kept buying other ones,but I want to save up and buy one,or have one built.
Dog of the Desert: Another great video. Thank you!
I have started a .300 H&H build on a cut & welded Arisaka action. Maybe I will get it done this year.
A great cartridge. Extremely accurate and as easy to shoot as the 30-06 but with more reach. Besides it’s a sexy-looking sleek cartridge. The Jessica Rabbit of cartridges! Ha, ha!
That is a damn fine rifle
What a treasure you have there !!
Great video and rifle. I have one in supergrade. Love that stock. Did you shave much weight by using that stock over the original.
Beautiful rifle!
DD- Getting ready to go on Safari, any ideas where to get 300 HH Barnes LRX ammo ? Thanks, love the vids!
Nope, I load my own. I saw some boxes of Hornady 300H&H ammo at Sportsmans Warehouse, but Haven't seen the Barnes Vortx ammo for that cartridge in a couple years. If you own a 300H&H, I suggest you reload; factory ammo is a little on the weak side for this cartridge.
I love my 300 H&H. I thought about engraving "belly and hooves" on it! It's accurate and effective
if its a win mod 70 that would be blasphemy!
I feel personally attacked lol I love my 300wby. I do shoot it in a Mark V 10 pound rifle with its stock muzzle break so the recoil isn’t bad at all. That being said, it’s cool to see what kicked off these .30 cal magnums, I’d definitely trade you my mark v for that 300 H&H 😅
I have a pre 65 Winchester 300 H&H model 70 in mint condition. All original. I’ve had such a hard time finding ammo in Canada for this I was forced to buy a 308. Is there anywhere where this ammo is available?
Can I change the barrel to a 300 win mag. So it can shoot those bullets ?
Love your caliber videos. How about the .270 Win?
I also have a Winchester Model 70 from 1947 that I inherited from my father. I haven’t fired it in years but would like to find more ammunition for it.
Here in South-Africa the 300H&H has a cult following. I have a custom built 26'' barrel with a Oberndorf Mauser 98 on Turkish walnut. I have handloaded all sorts of bullets and velocities over the last 13 years. I have shot anything from a jackal, wart-hog to kudu and eland. In a very weird situation I once had to take a cape buffalo down. One shot, with old Winchester Super X 220grn(Silver tip). I get extremely small groups. My conclusion after a while was to settle on monolithic bullets. The premium conventional bullets such as Nosler Accubond(big fan of Nosler), simply could not contain the terminal velocity/energy. The 180grn's grouped best at 3100fs. For a long time I used mono's such as Barnes TTSX 150grn @3200fs. My go to hunting combo now is 180grn Mono 's such as Barnes TSX or TTSX at 3045fs.Since I have been using mono's, I have not been able to retrieve a single bullet, all were through and through. Even Eland bulls shot through the front blades and vitals. As an African hunter I can tell you that the 300H&H does not negotiate with its prey!!! thanks for the vid it is excellent.
That Model 70 is so gorgeous.
The case configuration was definitely a plus back in 1912 when the cartridge was introduced. Hot temperatures combined with powder that was not temperature stable could lead to higher pressure causing extraction problems. Having said that ( and I know that some people will call me a fudd,) the. 30-'06 will do anything that the .300 H&H will do, as long as you are 100 yards closer.
.....and that increased MPBR is a big asset, especially when recoil is about the same shooting the exact same bullets.
I love that you are shooting your grandfather's gun! That's awesome. I enjoy your videos too. Thanks for putting them out.
great vid bro , when something is needed more than the great 30 06 which is not necessary it will fit tbe bill , like I told you recently , write a book , you da man !!!!!!
I just bought a 70 300 HH Winchester magnum, but can't seem to find the bullets..any help ? Can I substitute any bullets.
Any .308 caliber rifle bullet will work with your 300H&H loads (assuming you are taking about "BULLETS" and not "CARTRIDGES"), but I recommend weights from 168gr to 200gr.