great vid, thank you. I have my father's 1939 mfg. Model 70 chambered in 30.06 cal. Wonderful gun. he bagged many a whitetail with it here in central Pa. Shoots 1 " groups at 100 yards all day long! Stay safe, stay armed,stay free. God bless.
So happy to see this video. I was one of the people to request this info. I inherited this gun Winchester model 70 300 win mag pre 64 that has only had less than 20 shots fired through it. My grandfather was a sniper in the military and bought it the day he left and shot one dear put it in the closet till I found it in 2023 before he died. I also have some original winchester .300 Winchester Magnum ammo 180 grain boxes with a price of $12. Then he gave me his collection of Winchesters all the way down to his first 22 semiautomatic rifle. God bless him. Thank you
I have a number of pre-64's in various configurations and calibers. My favorite is a 300 Magnum (H&H for you youngsters)(second is a std 47 transition in 270). BTW, the 300 Win Mag. Gives no more than 100 fps more vel. With 5-10 grains more powder. The 300 magnum is an awesome hunting caliber.
Thanks again to Andrew for the knowledge dump on this classic. It belonged to a PH from Hot Springs, Arkansas who carried it to Africa many times. That clunky Bausch & Lomb mount and scope are rugged. It was run over in a bean field by a four wheeler and the zero didn’t move. Winchester Fail Safe branded ammo will make clover leafs. Too bad it’s gone but making 300 H&H is a cinch with all the cases based on it.
The 300 Holland & Holland cartridge is out done by others 30 caliber magnum cartridges in velocities. However, it has the attribute that is not often mentioned. That is the cartridge produces more velocity per-grain of powder than other 300 magnum cartridges can. 👍🤔
There are a couple of other advantages to a 300 H&H. It handles heavier bullets better than 300 Win mag, benefitting from a long neck and tapered body designed to handle cordite. The 300 H&H belt is not an ornament unlike 300 Win mag and other derivatives. It headspaces solely on the belt. Derivative cartridges with sharp shoulders end up headspacing on the belt and shoulder simultaneously, sometimes poorly on one. Long range competitors using 300 Win mag are known to sort through brass to get cases that match belt thickness with chamber belt cuts.
What a wealth of knowledge! I have that same scope and mount on a 1951 M70, it's actually a variable power scope. I think it's a 2.5 - 5X best I can tell.
Correct about the scope. B&L made two scopes that were superficially identical, a 4X fixed and a 2.5-5X variable, both with that skinny 1 in. objective tube. I may have fooled Andrew by leaving the dust covers on it, but it definitely has an adjustable power ring. The optical quality is amazing. It’s perfect for this vintage rifle.
I have a Steven's model 38B single shot. 410 shotgun bolt action with removable magazine that takes 2 3/4 & 3" shells smooth bore. Would like to find out any info possible. Keep up the great work.
Nice rifle. The recoil pad is unoriginal, but probably a pleasant upgrade to the steel plate that was originally on it. I wish I could zoom in on the rifle a little better, but it looks like a 1958 you have there. Good history lesson, but the pre 64 model 70 does not have a trigger like the model 52 rimfire. Way different. You may want to brush up on your history lesson here. Regardless, the pre 64 model 70 will always be "the Rifleman's rifle". Damn good rifles. Also, incase you don't know, the pre 64 fwt's were around 6.5 pounds. Since you were saying they are not real lightweight rifles by today's standards. They are great rifles, and the weight is just fine. As a comparison, a typical Tikka superlite weighs about 5.8 pounds, without a scope. As for the 300H&H, it's a cartridge that has all but died. A lot of these 300H&H pre 64's were rechambered to 300WBY magnum. Which is ultimately a better cartridge. You are wrong, that stock has been refinished. It's too splotchy and definitely refinished. Looks like an amateur refinish job to me. Bluing looks original, but can't be 100% sure, since the picture on the computer is not great, and dark. The rifle you are showing is valued around $1,200.00, even with the shortened stock and unoriginal recoil pad. Lets hope it's a true H&H receiver. You aren't showing it very well. You also mention newer production. Those are truly Browning rifles, made in the Philippines now. Good luck with those.. I'd take the pre 64, over any BACO!!
Sir, I am very interested in learning new things about the M70, but this video makes it difficult. You are wearing a black shirt, in front of a black background, showing us a dark wood & blue steel gun, in relatively low light while trying to point out tiny details. I was with you until you start pointing your fingers at a void on my screen.
Still shooting my dad's old model 70 in .264 Winchester mag. He bought in 1959 in Glendive Montana. Still shooting good, and keeps my freezer full.
great vid, thank you. I have my father's 1939 mfg. Model 70 chambered in 30.06 cal. Wonderful gun. he bagged many a whitetail with it here in central Pa. Shoots 1 " groups at 100 yards all day long! Stay safe, stay armed,stay free. God bless.
I inherited a 1961 Model 70 in 30-o6. Going to to the range tomorrow to sight it in!
So happy to see this video. I was one of the people to request this info. I inherited this gun Winchester model 70 300 win mag pre 64 that has only had less than 20 shots fired through it. My grandfather was a sniper in the military and bought it the day he left and shot one dear put it in the closet till I found it in 2023 before he died. I also have some original winchester .300 Winchester Magnum ammo 180 grain boxes with a price of $12. Then he gave me his collection of Winchesters all the way down to his first 22 semiautomatic rifle. God bless him. Thank you
I have a number of pre-64's in various configurations and calibers. My favorite is a 300 Magnum (H&H for you youngsters)(second is a std 47 transition in 270). BTW, the 300 Win Mag. Gives no more than 100 fps more vel. With 5-10 grains more powder. The 300 magnum is an awesome hunting caliber.
I have 2. One is a 1950, and one is 1962, and boy, can they shoot 🤠
Thanks again to Andrew for the knowledge dump on this classic. It belonged to a PH from Hot Springs, Arkansas who carried it to Africa many times. That clunky Bausch & Lomb mount and scope are rugged. It was run over in a bean field by a four wheeler and the zero didn’t move. Winchester Fail Safe branded ammo will make clover leafs. Too bad it’s gone but making 300 H&H is a cinch with all the cases based on it.
My favorite rifle is one of these model 70 pre 64 in the 300 H&H the one I have is one of the most accurate rifles I’ve ever shot
The 300 Holland & Holland cartridge is out done by others 30 caliber magnum cartridges in velocities. However, it has the attribute that is not often mentioned. That is the cartridge produces more velocity per-grain of powder than other 300 magnum cartridges can. 👍🤔
There are a couple of other advantages to a 300 H&H. It handles heavier bullets better than 300 Win mag, benefitting from a long neck and tapered body designed to handle cordite. The 300 H&H belt is not an ornament unlike 300 Win mag and other derivatives. It headspaces solely on the belt. Derivative cartridges with sharp shoulders end up headspacing on the belt and shoulder simultaneously, sometimes poorly on one. Long range competitors using 300 Win mag are known to sort through brass to get cases that match belt thickness with chamber belt cuts.
What a wealth of knowledge! I have that same scope and mount on a 1951 M70, it's actually a variable power scope. I think it's a 2.5 - 5X best I can tell.
Correct about the scope. B&L made two scopes that were superficially identical, a 4X fixed and a 2.5-5X variable, both with that skinny 1 in. objective tube. I may have fooled Andrew by leaving the dust covers on it, but it definitely has an adjustable power ring. The optical quality is amazing. It’s perfect for this vintage rifle.
I have a Steven's model 38B single shot. 410 shotgun bolt action with removable magazine that takes 2 3/4 & 3" shells smooth bore. Would like to find out any info possible. Keep up the great work.
I'd like to see you do episodes on a Winchester 21 and an A.H. Fox
Definitely would. Getting an example of those is the hard part.
Nice rifle. The recoil pad is unoriginal, but probably a pleasant upgrade to the steel plate that was originally on it. I wish I could zoom in on the rifle a little better, but it looks like a 1958 you have there. Good history lesson, but the pre 64 model 70 does not have a trigger like the model 52 rimfire. Way different. You may want to brush up on your history lesson here. Regardless, the pre 64 model 70 will always be "the Rifleman's rifle". Damn good rifles. Also, incase you don't know, the pre 64 fwt's were around 6.5 pounds. Since you were saying they are not real lightweight rifles by today's standards. They are great rifles, and the weight is just fine. As a comparison, a typical Tikka superlite weighs about 5.8 pounds, without a scope. As for the 300H&H, it's a cartridge that has all but died. A lot of these 300H&H pre 64's were rechambered to 300WBY magnum. Which is ultimately a better cartridge. You are wrong, that stock has been refinished. It's too splotchy and definitely refinished. Looks like an amateur refinish job to me. Bluing looks original, but can't be 100% sure, since the picture on the computer is not great, and dark. The rifle you are showing is valued around $1,200.00, even with the shortened stock and unoriginal recoil pad. Lets hope it's a true H&H receiver. You aren't showing it very well. You also mention newer production. Those are truly Browning rifles, made in the Philippines now. Good luck with those.. I'd take the pre 64, over any BACO!!
They didn't have the metallurgy heat treatment back then. With the unsupported cartridge case head, this as a weak action.
If the same rifle (1956 ) was rechambered to 300 Winchester Magnum where does that put it in the market place ?
Takes it out of collector consideration, so sub-$1000 probably.
@@BTORange thank you, pretty much what I was thinking. Great review on their history.
I meant to say in 270 win. For both
Well sence averybody is saying how they got one mine came from my great grandfather 1952 in 3006
Sir, I am very interested in learning new things about the M70, but this video makes it difficult. You are wearing a black shirt, in front of a black background, showing us a dark wood & blue steel gun, in relatively low light while trying to point out tiny details. I was with you until you start pointing your fingers at a void on my screen.
Yeah. Very poorly lit.