The shocking O.J. evidence nobody saw
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2024
- Legendary LAPD detective Tom Lange was one of the first to arrive at the horrific crime scene at Nicole Brown Simpson's condo shortly after the murders. From there, he went to OJ"s house, thinking OJ could be a victim. For the next year, Detective Lange and his partners collected massive amounts of evidence that could have convicted OJ Simpson, but it was NEVER ALLOWED IN THE TRIAL. Lange speaks exclusively with Tom Zenner and Kato Kaelin and lists unknown details of what they found. A receipt for a knife was purchased just weeks before the murder. What OJ told him when he returned from Chicago. OJ's bloody finger. All of this is discussed in scintillating fashion, including how Lange grabbed a phone call, called OJ's cell phone, and proceeded to speak to Simpson during the infamous white Bronco slow-speed chase the world was watching. One Degree of Scandalous: www.youtube.com/@onedegreeofscandalou...
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You have to give OJ credit. He spent the rest of his life searching just about every golf course in the country for the real killer /s
Right?! That guy...no man was ever MORE GUILTY that got off scot-free. Disgusting.
@@shellyrgarcia2205 He sure didn't get off because he was innocent. He got off because of the incompetence of his prosecution.
I don't give that piece of shit nothing...!!! He killed her and got away with it. PERIOD.
@@RockinRobbins13and, because of the absolute ignorance of his jury……
Now he'll have eternity to search for "the real killers" at all the golf courses in Hell.
Whatever history of injustices the jury felt the toward the LAPD, there was no bigger injustice than what that jury did toward Ron and Nicole. Shameful.
As a non American my opinion that black Americans in L.A. cannot think and do the right thing for universal justice is based from their very shameful verdict in this murder trial.
CRIMINAL REALLY
You could have had video of the murder and that jury would still have found him not guilty.
TRUTH
This is what I've been saying for years! I remember this fiasco of a trial and was watching it live with a friend. When we heard the verdict, we were not surprised at all because of that awful, angry/hostile jury. It also didn't help that they chose two of the weakest prosecutors out of the whole office of the district attorney who behaved as if they were being paid off. Those two could've come straight out of a Tijuana courtroom!They should've picked seasoned prosecutors who had tons of trial experience. A perfect prosecuting team would've been the two prosecutors who got Manson & family convicted: Vincent Bugliosi & Stephen Kay. Vincent Bugliosi went on to make a video (available on UA-cam) on the poor performance of the prosecution. It is something to listen to, and I recommend watching it. It's like getting a front row seat to the most bad a*s law school lecture you'll ever hear!
You're absolutely correct Simpson could have took the witness stand got sworn in and confessed to the two murders and that jury still would've said not guilty
They didn’t want more riots. They made it look like they really tried. He was given a path to freedom because “ ca ca can’t we all just get along?”.
Once again,you mean like the countless of videos of white peoples committing crimes against blacks and others and they get no accountability whatsoever!
Who would ever have imagined that these two would be doing a friendly interview together 30 years after they met under those bizarre, tragic circumstances that fateful night. Life is so strange.
Tom and katoes relationship lightly explained from 46 to 48 minute mark
yes indeed my friend, well said. i was thinking the same thing.
yes indeed my friend, well said. i was thinking the same thing.
I get the feeling Lange really dislikes Mark Fuhrman.
For good reason
I never get tired of listening to Tom Lange. Every interview with him is always too short for me. I'm so grateful he's still around keeping it real and protecting the truth of this case.
Yes keeping the lies going ! SMH these guys set oj up and it blu up in there face !!
@@brandonhill1673 You are ridiculous haha
Agreed
@brandonhill1673 don't let your race be the reason you side with a guilty individual. It's ignorant.
@@hnnpuffnstuffJust like Fuhrman & Vaneatter's race was the reason why they planted & contaminated the evidence???
Great job letting Tom Lange talk and not interrupting or sidetracking him. This was fascinating. I hope you do get him back for more interviews.
Thank you. Another great guest is coming on Thursday. Hope you subscribe and come back. T.Z.
You are innocent until proven guilty and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
@marilynfoster1233
Thank you for your comment. So many guests are talked over or side tracked or distracted by hosts. Thinking about NewsNation and such. It is like we are just listening to the two remembering what happened and TZ is having them explain where we would have questions and such. Just a perfect interview technique. Professional. Outstanding job. I am marking this as a watch later so I can share it with people I know who know OJ did it.
Tom Lange told his first lie in this interview when he stated that they went to OJ's house to see if he was ok and he wasn't a suspect. Lol. come on man.
@@Letsdoitla It could have been both, he was a suspect and they were going to find him hanging from the rafters. Did he say he wasn't a suspect? He told Kato even he was a suspect at first, #3. I'm very curious who #2 would have been..
Just the blooddrops from the Bronco to the house/kitchen/upstairs bathroom is amazing evidence.
The fact that it didn't occur to OJ to ask about his children, who were in the condo when he killed Nicole, speaks volumes. The mask slipped - he showed the cops his lack of conscience.
OJ didn't ask about the kids because he knew they were not harmed.
Tom Lange did not tell OJ what had happened to Nicole . he only said that she passed away . Mr. UA-cam Detective.
@@jojojo6147 👍That would be OJ's thinking, but the children were more than harmed, because HE STOLD THEIR MOTHER, FOREVER!
No proof that he did it.
@@kennethrussell1158Wow.
This should be a multi part episode. Tom Lange has a wealth of information about not only OJ but investigations in general.
Totally agree! We need Tom Lange as a recurring guest, he's like a goldmine of information and not just on the OJ case, that's a tiny fraction of the volume of cases he has worked on throughout his career, and let's not forget his Vietnam experiences!
Agree I hope he's called back
What did Mark Fuhrman plead the fifth too?
Thank you! I will get Tom Lange on again soon to talk about serial murder cases! T.Z.
I would appreciate it if Tom would drop the pretense of "We went over the fence [at Rockingham] because we were concerned that OJ was another victim..." Let's just admit that the police followed the blood trail on, in & from his Bronco. The Detectives got away with a warrantless search & seizure. OJ got away with murdering 2 beautiful people.
Vincent Bugalosi, who never lost a murder case, said in his book Outrage, that when your blood is found at the crime scene it is an open and shut case.
Your blood 🩸 is at the scene. You have a cut. Their blood is in your bronco and in your house.
This was the stupidest most spiteful jury ever.
Not really when the prosecutions main witness pleads the 5th ifche planted evidence game over lol
@@Eastvanucks
Context of the questions asked.
Take away that witness and you still have his blood at the scene,the victims blood in his vehicle, his blood and the victims blood on the glove and on the socks found in his bedroom.
@@athena_the_hun1097 Well said and I fully agree with you. That jury wanted pay back for Rodney King at any cost, even if it meant setting a double murderer free. I am honestly surprised that the law allows this form of "justice". Also the double jeopardy law is even more nonsensical. We have literally got video tape of multiple jurors saying it was pay back for Rodney King and they didn't do any deliberating as they had already made their mind up, and the less than 4 hours of deliberation was a stalling tactic to deceive people into thinking they were considering the evidence. Surely in any sane world of justice that would be enough to order an immediate retrial due to the jury being in contempt of court?
Bugliosi was way ahead of his time. It's a tragedy that such a great mind and the best prosecutor we will ever know has since passed. What I liked about Bugliosi's style is that he went purely on the facts without injecting bias and put together one heck of a convincing argument to even the most biased and incompetent jury in the world like the OJ jury. What a missed opportunity in the DA not having Bugliosi come out of retirement to try this case for the prosecution. I still stand by my belief that even though he wouldn't have gotten a guilty verdict and the result would have been the same, he would have completely nullified all the lies and conspiracy nonsense theories by the defense which, because of the grade F effort from the team of Marcia Clark and Chris Darden, have left the OJ case open to these theories decades later. With Bugliosi, the world audience would come away with a strong impression of his guilt and not a bunch of lingering questions of police screw ups and a conspiracy to frame OJ Simpson.
I had the honor of meeting Mr. Lange at a party at a residence of a friend of mine. He is a genuine gentleman. Unpretentious, affable and humorous. Of course I had to say “ You’ve probably been asked this question a hundred times, but do you think OJ did it ?”without hesitation he said “ of course he did it”.
absolutely he did it. The prosecution fucked up badly !
also the jury fucked up badly
@@squadric7722 True. The jury is ultimately to blame for this miscarriage of justice.
I still wonder to this day why Clark and Darden allowed OJ to stand in front of the jury and try on the gloves. They had an opportunity to have him try on the gloves before they were put before the jury and they didn’t do it. It made no sense. I’ve been around a lot of police officers and lawyers and lawyers don’t ask questions that they don’t already know the answer to.
@@suziwilliams2754 Darden was goaded into it by Bailey. I suggest you read the back story on it. Bailey basically said to Darden that if he didn't get OJ to try on the gloves then he would and Darden took the bait. It showed the inexperience and incompetence of the prosecution. Lightweights going up against heavyweights.
Wow ! Hearing the reality of how the conversation went down when they first called OJ to tell him his wife is dead in her home and he does'nt even ask HOW and worse does'nt even ask about his own CHILDREN -is beyond revealing . This in review is pure gold . Love Detective Lange .
Thanks for the comment! Much appreciated. Hope you keep coming back every week for more great shows. T.Z.
@@TZScandal I agree that THAT is an early tell. But, is it possible the question was presented to OJ in such a way as to warrant the response he gave? Such as, "something has happened to your ex."
That was the perhaps the first most telling response. Think about having to book a plane and make a flight that takes a few hours to return home. That’s at least a 3-1/2 hour timespan. You never wondered for one minute or gave any thought to how and why she was murdered? You never gave thought to your children, where they were and most importantly, are they safe?
That as well as brutally killing their mom and and another guy ourside on the sidewalk where his kids were alsleep shows us all what a psychopath he was……
@@TZScandal Also, how did he know which ex-wife was dead.......how come he did not ask which one it was?
I was 23 during this trial and now at 54 i still couldn't fathom how he was found not guilty. Then today I see footage of a juror interview where the woman clearly stated that 90% of the jurors thought he was guilty but they voted not guilty out of revenge for the Rodney King beating. When she was asked how she felt about doing that after the fact she just threw up her hands like oh well..what a slap in the face of Ron and Nicole's family and Americans in general. To this day that verdict grinds my gears and no doubt OJ knew hed be making news after death again.He probably died with a smile. It definitely doesn't change how people feel about this trial or him. To me closure will never happen in this regard.
I was 25 watching from Denmark on cnn
If you want to know how he was found not guilty, read Vince Bugliosi's Outrage. An F- prosecution of a famous wealthy defendant.
If they thought he was guilty and let him go free then they should all be held liable and prosecuted.
The fact the DNA was tampered with meant it should have never got too trial. Wouldn’t have today. Fact is DNA was messed with so it’s impossible to trial
I don't think so. State did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt and that's how our system is set up and worked back then. Defense shot holes in everything they did. Heck Casey Anthony was guilty too right?? Thing is nowadays social media keyboard warriors like to jump and yell, scream and whine about what they think should happen and then jurors are compromised by that in terms of backlash and threats. That's not how our system is supposed to work, esp not 100% on circumstantial like some cases nowadays. We have gone down a very slippery slope bc God forbid you're at the wrong place wrong time lol, youre done even if you didnt do jack.
Semper Fidelis
Always seemed that Kayo was so purely honest.
I love hearing him all these years later.
That is s false. Kato said NOTHING to help convict OJ....Kato didn't speak up for years.
Judge Ito was the ringmaster of the circus. He never had control of his courtroom.
And all those clocks
people were sending him!
He should’ve been disbarred. Displaying gifts from fans on the actual bench.
If he was the ringmaster, he would have had control.......
He didn't need to have control. He gave up all his control to his master and his ex boss Mr Cochran to start his racist conspiracy theories. The ringmaster was Mr Cochran.
I like how Judge Ito is now the culprit of allowing OJ to walk. Laughable. The prosecutors didn’t know how to look at the evidence. It was obvious there were actually two killers! The prosecutors fired the Coroner Henry Lee, person that performed the autopsy, because he said it was obviously two killers!!! The wounds were made by two separate type of knives. Stop blaming the judge you idiots.
Please do more Interviews with Tom & Kato. Excellent interview. Much respect for Tom! It’s a shame none of this was brought to light.
Thank you! Kato is on every week - we have a great guest this week. Hope you subscribe! T.Z.
You are innocent until proven guilty and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
Yes we gotta have Tom Lange on many more times. We're literally scratching the surface here with his knowledge.
The jury should be found, drawn, and quartered for the injustice they allowed that day.
The whole thing with the glove at the trial...OJ was acting, smirking, putting on a show. If it had been me, and they wanted me to put on a glove that had my dead spouse's blood on it, I would have been sobbing. I would have been totally freaked out that the murderer had worn these very gloves when they killed my spouse. My reaction would have been horror, not smirking.
Well said. Thank you! T.Z.
Yes, he was disgusting
An now on is in heaven with his 40 white Virgin. Sucks don't it🤭 Glenn did it💯💯🤔🧐
Good point.
My question about the glove was always.......how much salt had OJ been consuming before that part of the trial.
Tom Lange, Marine Police Officer, Class Act
Very true! He doesn't get enough credit for what he has accomplished! A Bronze Star in Vietnam as a sergeant in the United States Marine Corps followed by decades of solving high profile homicide and burglary cases. He's the definition of a legend.
Listening to this makes me more certain that the prosecution absolutely imploded this case.
Tom Lang and Kato Kaelin together in the same interview room. This video gets my thumbs up.
Very cool duo together. Kato has always seemed like a good human being ...its great to see him in a position where he shows so well. Det. Lange also earned the Bronze star in the United States Marine Corps. That says a lot about the type of person he is.
We will take it. Much appreciated! Hope you come back every week. T.Z.
Amazing interview!
Tom was the only respectable cop in this case.
Lies. All lies. Tom is a racist. Kato is a bum
Lange is a legend. Plainspoken, sharp and fair.
Kato is just a doll, boyish charm and never presumptive, the media was brutal to him and he stayed true to himself. Love him.
Yes
Him and Larry the father of Anna Nicole Smith’s daughter.He stayed true to his daughter and Nicole’s memory.
❤Amen❤
He’s a free loading loser
Thank you for the comment! I hope you subscribe and keep watching. T.Z.
I think the world of Tom Lang and his no nonsense approach. He's an amazing individual and detective. Kato conducts himself very well through this case and especially did so as a young man who was blindsided. A great show, Tom.
Yep. It was Det. Mark Fuhrman that caused the problems.
The evidence was BEYOND OVERWHELMING and the jury was ridiculously ignorant.
@@johnlayman2482they lost the car because the jury was black and they made it about race..when they heard recordings of the racist cops it was t about the murder it was about color.OJ clearly did it
Racism came back after this .Blacks are the scurge of America
Yes Tom Lange is a legend, a huge asset to the LAPD throughout his career and also an asset to his country for serving in Vietnam and getting the Bronze Star. Whilst Fuhrman didn't plant evidence during the OJ crime scene investigation, he absolutely wasn't a good police officer based on his comments on tape and it's a shame he was directly involved in identifying the glove at Bundy and Rockingham as that allowed the defense to play up their racist conspiracy theory.
The one tthing this case proves without a doubt is that you can absolutely count on people to not do the right thing. People suck.
What a sharp mind this detective still has at 79 years old!! Incredible ...
He just exudes order. He's a stud. Thanks for the comment. T.Z.
Kato is incredible in that he is not credible.
Tom Lange is PHENOMEMAL, and always was at his job.
Did any of you ever watch the trial with this effing dolt?? This leech doesn’t deserve any respect or recognition.
😂 Not so sharp. 13:26 He called Bob Kardashian "Frank"
Judge Ito was in WAY over his head on this case. People forget how useless he was. Intimidated by the defense and allowing a kangaroo court to occur
I'm going to try to get Ito on the show. Thanks for watching. T.Z.
@@TZScandal That would be quite a catch Tom Z! Would love to see former Judge Lance Ito on your show. I haven't seen any interviews with him since he retired. Also Marcia Clark, Alan Dershowitz and Dr Michael Baden would also be great guests to have to get a wider perspective on what happened.
Totally agree with you that Ito was in way over his head. He seemed preoccupied with the news media coverage and having cameras in his court room allowed the defence to play up to the cameras, making a mockery of the justice system. Also something else about Ito not many people know is that while Cochran was the Assistant D.A. for Los Angeles County, one of Cochran's subordinates was Lance Ito which explains the power dynamic in the court room with Cochran having a lot of free reign to do as he pleased and Ito green lighted it all. I have to wonder if Ito staying out of the media spotlight all these years is perhaps some embarrassment over the way he handled the trial of the century.
I hope Christopher Darden gets in and can do a better job as judge.
Ito was a disaster & a disgrace to the bench 😡
I remember the trial. He's right about how the cops were more on trial than the murderer.
This case should of been a slam dunk, because of all the
evidence it’s so sad that the Goldman and Brown families didn’t get justice.
All you need is a black jury.
The start of defund the police mentality……
All the planted evidence...
@@GrapeApe66No that came many years later once video evidence of criminal cops began. Cell phones = every cops nightmare.
@@Deontjie Don't forget Mark Furhman, he did his part to ensure an acquittal.
I think what amazes me about Tom Lange is just how sharp his memory is at 79 years old and how much he recalls from when he investigated these murders back in 1994. Heck, I could listen to Tom Lange tell stories all day long and not just about the OJ case, I want to hear about his other cases too including Wonderland, his cases when he worked as a PI after retiring from the LAPD and also perhaps to get his insights on some current cases and cold cases? I would like to hear him explain his analysis on the JonBenet Ramsey case. Hope you can get him to come on your show as a regular guest, he's a truly legendary detective!
Lange said in another interview that he suspects one of the Benet family members.
You are so right. I spent an hour with him when I drove him to the studio. I wish I had taped that. He's a stud. Thanks for the comment. T.Z.
@@TZScandal which family member?
he thanks you for telling everyone his age good work
@@americangirl4410
the brother.
Well at least OJ can rest easy knowing Nicole and Ron’s killer is dead!!!
Good comment! Thanks for watching. T.Z.
😂
Because this comment hasn't been made a million times. Lol
Which golf course was the killler finally found at? 😉
Norm Macdonald vibes!!!!😂😂😂😂
OJ stated in an interview that he kept a knife under his Bronco seat as a means of protection. So the fact that they found no knife in the Bronco, counterintuitively, is a problem for OJ (beyond all the blood evidence).
I don’t think that particular issue was ever brought up officially. (I may be wrong).
Can’t ever overlook the blood… no matter the knife in Bronco claims.
Just finished watching the Netflix special a few days ago. Adding this interview after the fact, I respect both of these guys here. I’m a native of Los Angeles. Great interview.
Life is short, even though OJ didn't pay for his crime on this side of eternity. He has fallen into the hands of the final judge, Justice will be done.
The all knowing creator.
- Almost 30 years later both Kato Kaelin & Tom Lange look great 👍🏼
Agreed. They are aging well. Thanks. T.Z.
It’s hard to believe it’s been 30 years. My daughter was 6 weeks old when this happened. I met Denise Brown in 2001 at the casino I worked at. She and her boyfriend sat at my bar. I knew she looked familiar but what I noticed first is the necklace she was wearing. She had worn it everyday through the trial.
Kato is such a sweetheart it seems anyway. Yes they are aging very well. Both look great.
Well, they look 30 years older, that's for sure. I'm 65 and I sure as hell do.
Yeah with all the money they made off of OJ they should look good 😅
Cockran said in an interview he told Darden to not put Furhman on the stand, it would be a mistake. The prosecution ignored that tip, forewarning.
The defense had Furhman on tape, he took the 5 th, he put a stain on himself, and his police force, their evidence was viewed as disreputable.
The prosecution had no choice but to put Fuhrman on the stand. They had no idea he would plead the 5th in advance of his taking the stand. They had to put him on as he identified the bloody gloves at both crime scenes and the blood spot on the Bronco. The mistake the prosecution made was not doing some damage control by presenting the Fuhrman tapes in advance of the defense and mitigating that with positives Fuhrman had done for the black community including helping to free a black man wrongly accused of murder. The problem was they left all of that out and the defense had free reign to attack Fuhrman with all of these credibility issues. This was pure incompetence on the part of Marcia Clark and Chris Darden. Bugliosi would never have made those mistakes.
The jury knowingly let a double murderer walk free.
So many interviews have been blown up and exaggerated. Finally an interview that was matter of fact and believable. Thank you Tom Lange for serving your community.
His account of everything that happened, the evidence & his theory has never changed. He knew OJ did it & has not backed down once.
You are innocent until proven guilty and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
Lange was known to be the naive, while Fuhrman and Vannater ran the corruption circus
Lange is one stubborn cop. They never EVER interviewed Jason, who was protected. Jason was the murderer but never initially intended, but led to it because of the big mouthed Nicole. THIS IS WHAT LED TO HER DEATH. Then...that poor bastard Ron showed up then you have to kill the witness.....i.e..."HEY-HEY-HEY".
ITS THAT SIMPLE
@@houdennyhoudenny6777 They couldn't interview him as he lawyered up and was prevented from talking. How does that make Lange a "stubborn cop"? He did a great job under the circumstances he was put under. You say Jason was the murderer however there is zero evidence supporting that, but it seems you easily bought the Bill Dear theory, nice job. Also you claim Nicole's big mouth led to her murder which is not only false, but highly insensitive and disrespectful to Nicole's family. Simple should be your middle name, you clearly misunderstood everything about this case.
Earned a whole new respect for Kato!
My dude is just a regular and very bright gentleman. Much respect to him!
Thank you. I'll pass the compliment on to Kato! Hope you keep watching. T.Z.
kato was a mooch and hes full of bs
Hey tell Kato I said Hi too lol…I think he sounds like a good dude too, keep rockin Kato
Great interview btw, Lange is awesome and always liked Kato
@@bettyahlheitt8812Thank you. Kato was a leech. Period
100% Compelling just hearing you guys talk about all those details that had escaped the publics knowledge for all these years! Amazing, Tom you are one hell of a Detective and you have earned the admiration of many! Kato, so wonderful to hear you’re doing well n to see you on here lookin like u haven’t aged a day! I just found this channel today bc your guest caught my eye! New Subscriber here! Much ❤️ and Respect from Northern Idaho!
I like Kato, and always find him to be kind, humble, in each interview.
Great comment. Thank you! T.Z.
In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo, OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
@onedegreeofscandalous In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo, OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
But he was a spy for OJ. How else would he live there for free.
I thought Kato was a joke when all of this happened with OJ. He's actually really sharp and pretty together. It makes me feel bad for judging him so harshly.
Agreed. I blame the media picturing him as ditzy (for lack of a better word)!
He wasn't being exactly helpful tho
It was also what the defense wanted us to think .They wanted to discount anything he said.
Exactly, he was lampooned and made fun of. But he really is a decent guy, caught up in LA b.s. and a crazy murder
That's because Kato was a different guy then. Kinda lost because he was a coke head. Now he's all grown up😊
‼‼Wow! Case closed, for sure.
Excellent interview & the fastest 57 min video, too. I didn't want the talk to end.
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I'm a L .A. Native that has played "Cat & Mouse" with L.A.P.D., including Detectives. As far as Cops go, Detective Tom Lange is really a Good Man and Good Cop, that despite all of the vile and wickedness in/of L.A.P.D., He is fair & about getting the "Bad Guy".
Tom’s such a stand-up guy. Literally exudes integrity with every word. I’m sad that his great work on this case got so messed up by Marcia and the DA’s office
We need a whole police force like Tom Lange. If only... Appreciate you comment. Hope you keep watching. T.Z.
@@TZScandal I just found you, love your content! Thanks for the info you’re providing
So does Mark Fuhrman too huh?
@@TZScandal I agree totally. I have watched interviews with Lange and Vannatter and it's clear as day to me that they both did their jobs properly with honesty and integrity but got blamed for things they didn't do wrong, especially when they accused Vannatter of planting blood from OJ on the back gate and sock. I mean give me a break!! We're talking about an elite Robbery Homicide LAPD detective who had been on the force for 30 years who was about to retire, and the defence would have us believe that he wanted to nail OJ so badly that he would put his life and career on the line and risk the death penalty by planting evidence in a capital murder case??!! It's insane!! These guys should have been given accolades for the hard work they did on this case, especially that 30 minute interview with OJ which Marcia couldn't be bothered to use which was crucial evidence of his guilt, but was used successfully by Petrocelli in the civil trial. Tom Lange, you're a living legend and a credit to law enforcement worldwide, and Phil Vannatter, we know you're resting in a better place right now, thank you for your dedication to serving your country with distinction in Vietnam and the LAPD, rest in peace sir!
@@sksimmons1336 Fuhrman was a mixed bag, I think he and his partner Brad Roberts did some good detective work on the OJ case, as they found the blood trail up OJ's driveway, the blood on the Bronco door, the glove etc, but Fuhrman's past racism cannot be ignored. What he said was vile and cannot be excused. Nonetheless, I think it would be good if Tom Z (@onedegreeofscandalous) could get Fuhrman and Lange together on one of these shows so they can discuss their differences. I especially want to know why Fuhrman seemed to think there was a bloody fingerprint on the gate as he indicated in his notes but didn't bother to tell anybody, not even the criminalist at the scene so that the fingerprint could be preserved and instead just wrote it one of the many pages of his notes. That seems like either a lie by Fuhrman to make himself appear better than Lange and Vannatter (as he was probably bitter that they took over the investigation from him and his partner), or, incompetence or laziness on Fuhrman's part. Personally, I believe what Lange said in that there were never any fingerprints on the gate and it was most likely a smudge mark as the experts went over that gate thoroughly for fingerprints and didn't find any.
I worked on an lapd lieutenants house right after the trial. He was in the house the next day and said there was blood everywhere including the shower. GUILTY
So much evidence ignored. Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribe. T.Z.
@@TZScandal he didn't mention a lot, including clothes in the washing machine, etc
Yeah, OJ should have been drenched in Nicole's and Ron's blood. Were their blood found in the Bronco and in OJs house? Or was it's just OJ's blood?
Hearsay... Where's the pictures "?? Cop's lie ,,like a rug. Matter fact all Men lie.
@@lynnhubbard844You do understand that you can get the blood from the wall.Washing machine close everywhere.You can't hire blood
This was a very fascinating and most informative interview.
This is an AMAZING interview! Thank you so much!
I've been watching Kato and Tom speak on this case in some capacity or another for 30 years. They feel like old friends now, cozy and comfortable to be around. Well done, gents.
Thank you for the great comment! Appreciate it. T.Z.
These 30 yrs have went by really fast! All this seems like it happened yesterday.
Every interview I see about this case just further cements my view on OJs guilt. Unreal.
Well yes!
Great comment. Thank you. Hope you keep watching. T.Z.
Of course! OJ was guilty and got off for reasons unrelated to the evidence at trial. Even on juror admitted on camera it was pay back for Rodney King! If this case was tried today OJ wouldn't have walked free.
Everyone in the world knows the butcher got free because of a joke of a justice system and stupid jurors who did not understand DNA or forensic evidence! How the lawyers who defended him sleep at night ,still escapes me. In every normal country with all that INSANELY overwhelming forensic evidence,the slaughterer would have been sentenced to life prison. But in America, the racial circus and everything that had nothing to do with the two innocents murdered, came to play. We in other countries watched lauging via tears ,disgusted and dismayed . This case was a sham of US justice.
@@El-vi6lg you are very well spoken and your points are valid in my opinion.If we were married and you were charged with a serious crime,i would want the "dream team" defending you, regardless of guilt.Its your right and id rather you home,guilty or not,as long as you don't kill me of course.O.J got a mulligan,a free pass,it happens because all the barely human criminals "rights were being abused".While im being wildly inappropriate Ron and Nicole were not people I miss.She was a gold digging opportunist and one needs only look at Fred Goldman to see where was headed.I wish OJ would have stopped at Fred's house that night.
OJ would NEVER KILL HIMSELF!!
HE WAS THE BIGGEST NARCISSIST EVER!!! OJ IS THE ONLY PERSON HE EVER CARED ABOUT PERIOD!!! The world is a bit gentler when he finally left this 🌎.
🩷 RIP Nicole & Ron🩵
That was one of the better shows on the OJ's case I have watched
Thank You Guys
JT
Thanks. Hope you subscribe. Allan Park next week! T.Z.
What a great interview - nothing but respect for these men. It’s good to hear the unmuddied truth.
Kudos to you for getting Detective Tom Lange on, he still looks just as sharp as he did 29 years ago. I've been watching his testimonies from February 1995 on the "OJ Trial Uncut" channel, and it's amazing that he remembers so much of the evidence in such great detail (not to mention the evidence that wasn't even used)!
Thank you. I appreciate it. Tom is so good. I'll get him back, and the topic will be the serial killers he tracked down. There were a lot! T.Z.
@@TZScandalI know you or kato asked if he thought OJ went to kill her that night. It was strongly suggested through my research OJ was high on coke that night. To me he obviously went to kill her because he had the knife on him present. If it was to just stalk the knife would have remained in the bronco or at home. How could he survive a battle with Ron who knew marital arts and only escape with one cut? He would have been enraged and superhuman on that type of rage and substance. Detective testing him was once bronco chase was done and that was 5 days after the murders. That substance would have cleared his system by then. It was widely known OJ loved to party but hated it when Nicole did. I also thought it was proven upon leaving his home after returning from the recital before he stopped to murder her, he had made a stop at his dealer. Almost certain that rage and that ability to not be phased by Ron's physical ability was him very high and amped up on coke. No one brings a knife unless they've got a plan to use it IMO. Great interview!
@24:32 Lange is talking about sociopaths but he says many of them can control it. It's not control. It's the right circumstances triggering them that makes a sociopath murder. Nearly all of the millions of sociopaths that live among us are capable of murder. They just need that trigger. OJ, saw a young, white, attractive guy show up to Nicole's, which he paid the rent for. He was angry because friends had told him of Goldman driving Nicole's car, he also paid for. That triggered him. If Goldman didn't walk up at that moment, OJ may never have murdered anyone, but he always would have been capable of it.
This was your best interview! Always like listening to Tom L! Thanks Tom Z!
Thanks for the comment. T.Z. Limo Driver Allan Park on the episode today. Subscribe to .www.youtube.com/@TZScandal
The fact the venue wasn't changed is mind boggling
It was, to downtown L.A. , from predominantly white Brentwood.
@@mikeballard8404 It should have stayed in Brentwood. Biggest mistake of the whole case by Gil Garcetti.
That was the first problem - the venue WAS changed from Brentwood to LA county - his actual peers in Brentwood would have had no problem convicting him.
@@MmeO Should have been in Santa Monica.--then ALL felonies West of La Cienega were tried in Santa Monica. DA wanted trial to be in their building--but used excuse of poor security in SM..
It wouldnt have mattered. OJ was HUGE and black jurors would have set him free no matter what....unless he killed THEIR children, that is.
Then it'd be a different story.
Anyone who lives in colder climates and had soaking wet all leather gloves either from rain or snow, knows that when dried and you try to pull the gloves on again, it will be almost impossible.
The jury from southern CA were not familiar with this.
As a retired OR/RN, blood can wet and then when dry on absorbent materials leaving a crustier feeling that water does not leave.
Therefore water VS blood. Blood on leather gloves would be highly difficult to stretch compared to gloves soaked in water.
Very inciteful! Appreciate the comment. Hope you keep watching. T.Z.
I was listening on the radio to the trial while I was working and when they offered him the gloves to put on, I thought "are you frigging kidding me?. Any nincompoop could make these gloves look too small! Total screwed up presentation by the DA's.
Plus he splayed out his fingers as trying the gloves on to make it even more difficult to get the ruined leather to work properly! It should have been highlighted that any gloves would change size once wet and dried !!
@@vickihandel3620 plus impossible with the disposable glove underneath it
At least OJ went to his grave knowing his wife's killer was dead.
The more that you listen to Lange the more you see the weakness in the skills of the LAPD investigators. And yes mall cops is a good descriptor.
I will say that Tom Lange is my all time favorite detective.
Same! Tom Lange is incredibly sharp, great memory and so cool and collected, a consummate professional who did a great job on this case and many other cases.
?? All time favorite, What? he's not a musician or an actor, you follow detectives?
@@philwright2480 So what? You think people can only have favorite musicians and actors? Get a grip!
Thank you for the comment. Detective Lange is an icon! Hope you subscribe and keep watching. T.Z
@@philwright2480 Yes I do! 🔍
I’m so glad I came across your channel. What an amazing interview. I already found Mr. Kaelin to be a sincere, open person and witness, but having Mr. Lange on and finding out many things the public wasn’t privy to was great. Thank you.
Thank you so much and I hope you are a regular to the channel. I'll keep getting great guests and let them tell their stories. Appreciate you watching. T.Z.
Me too, and I Subscribed!!!
The look on Mr Kardashians face spoke volumes.
If i was on that jury , there's no way in hell that im voting not guilty. He did it.
I took criminal law in high school for 2 yrs. My teacher was pushing me to be lawyer. When I found out that attorneys can take important evidence away I was disgusted and immediately knew our system was flawed. I decided then I'll never be a lawyer. I couldn't live with myself.
Great comment. You'd think those that are supposed to uphold the law always would. Thanks for watching. T.Z.
What kind of high school teaches criminal law, was it a private fee paying school
What important evidence did the attorneys “take away”? What about detectives mishandling evidence? Your comment doesn’t make much sense. I don’t think you understand the rules of evidence.
@@BruceLee-fd7uwI took a class called "street law" in public high school. It was an elective like ceramics, photography, sculpting, painting, etc.
@@acefromspace2727 she doesn't know what she's talking about lol
Thank you Detective Lang for all your service. You’re a stand-up man too!
Well said. Cheers to all our first responders and military! Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribe. T.Z.
Yes Detective Lange is a legend, a man who has served his country with distinction for decades through Vietnam to the LAPD. He did his job properly during the OJ case and has always been straight up about the facts and his involvement, he hasn't deviated at all. His recollection of the events is incredibly sharp given he's now 79 years old! A truly great man!
@@Romulan2469 I agree!
Lol. Yeah, thank you for all of your racism
@@jolenesimon6123 It seems you are getting your wires crossed and probably not your first rodeo I would imagine. Lange wasn't being racist at all. It seems you have confused Lange with Fuhrman.
My god I LOOOOVE that I found these interviews today, subbing! Kato is great!
Fascinating, thank you.
The world owes Kato an apology.
Well said! Thanks for the comment. T.Z.
Agreed and I think most importantly Marcia does. In fact she owes a lot of people including Tom and Kato an apology.
absolutley
I don't owe him shit..... in this country, rich people can buy white privilege
Oh, 100%!!!
Judge Ito was a big blame and the reason for the absolute circus the trial became because he allowed so much nonsense to go on in the courtroom. Ito loved the cameras, and thought that he was a celebrity himself.
Great comment. I am going to try to get Ito on the show. Hope you subscribe and come back. T.Z.
@@TZScandal Ito's wife worked as a police officer for LAPD, remember the whole drama about that with Ito's speech?
Kato was and is a genuine, honest and talented man.
Kato was a bum actually....lived off OJ....
@@duduchief A bum who's more well known then you'll ever be.
First time seeing or listening.
Informative and interesting.
Good work.
Golfed with Mr Lange in Fla in the early 2000s. After about 4 holes I broke the silence and asked him how they lost the conviction. He said with that jury, the cops knew they were in trouble. I didn't follow the case but my wife recorded every hour of the trial. When I came home the day of the "verdict", she was devastated and crying:( Prayers for the Goldman and Brown families!!
Amazes me that white people never share same sorrow for Trayvon Martin and countless other black’s innocently killed. Ron and Nicole got more justice than all other people killed in LA county that day. The justice system had an unlimited budget to prosecute Simpson. Blame the black jurors but never the all white jurors who convicted blacks everyday
In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo, OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
How was his golf game?
@@Romulan2469 steady:) I got him by one or two:)
Prosecutor here. Pardon the way i must type here:
What mr lange meant to say was that black ppl will acquit another somewhat black-ish looking person of clearly and obviously merdering two Yt ppl. As soon as they saw several BW on the jury they knew at least 1 or 2 would vote with vengeance for that time Rodney went 100mph drunk down the freeway through stoplights and then assaulted police and then the last two minutes where the police subdued his 6’5” 280lb inebriated frame with clubs, which was videoed.
The looting that happened after, bee ell imm, etc…. What mr lange meant to say, and what i can say seeing defendants all day, is that there is a direct ccskynn kullurr + immorality correlation, on the bench, in the jury, in the hood, in their “schools” and in their generations and homeland. It’s all obvious and we all know it.
Make a birdie for me
Love, love, love Tom Lange. I kept UA-cam searching for his name to see any new interviews since OJ's passing. Glad I found this one.
Thank you! Hope you subscribe to the channel. More awesome guests lined up, including this Thursday! T.Z.
In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo, OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
Great interview!! Just discovered this channel and looking forward to watching it grow
Great interview.....left me wanting to hear more
Great episode! I was a kid when this happened. I remember hearing about the murders when my father was telling my brother (a football fan) that OJs wife was killed. This was the day after and before OJ was the main suspect. In my Elementary school class, we watched the verdict. Even as a kid I was surprised by it. As you've mentioned, anyone who lived in 94/95 who was old enough to remember, can tell you this was EVERYWHERE on the news. There's been nothing like it since.
I feel like if this had happened today, cellphones would have played a huge part in determining location, and text messages for evidence.
Unfortunately if the prosecutor was still motivated by political issues, might be difficult to prove the case even then. She wouldn't allow witnesses who saw OJ leaving the area of Nicole's house to testify. Wait too many important pieces of evidence were not allowed in by the prosecutor.
I was working for the NBC station in Chicago back then. People couldn't get enough of the story. Thanks for watching! Appreciate it. T.Z.
I heard a news station the other day say this trial was the beginning of Reality TV as we know it.
I remember feeling so sorry for Kato during the trial. He looked so likeable and innocent on the stand and they weren't too nice to the guy at times.
And it was the prosecutor who was doing it! She was playing to the jury's racism. How did that work out for her? She treated the cops like crap too and her reputation suffered as a result
I remember that very very well You're very much correct
that was the prosecution but also the defense, he was just himself and got in the middle of something he didn't bargain for, pulled in both directions.
They were tough on him but never diminished his spirit. Thanks for the comment. T.Z.
Don’t feel sorry for him. He became a millionaire over this case and before it he was just a couch bum looking for a place to lay his head.
Hello from Orange County. My family and I were living in Encino when this all went down. I was 15 at the time and I’ll never forget watching that Bronco chase. The trial was all everyone was talking about. I only got to see bits and pieces of it but my parents followed it from Day 1! My Stepdad and Mom went over to the house on Bundy and got some camcorder footage a day or so later. By then, they’d cleaned up a lot of the scene but they could still see bloodstains in the cracks of the tile at the front entrance to Nicole’s place… My stepdad is a Clinical Scientist who specializes in Microbiology. He deals with blood all day every day and he knew for a fact that the blood evidence wasn’t tampered with. There’s a coagulant called EDTA that they put in those viles when they collect blood from crime scenes. Had anyone tampered with it, it would’ve been obvious because the blood would’ve coagulated and there would’ve been chunks of OJ’s coagulated blood and the blood would’ve broke down much faster. The DNA evidence should’ve been a slam dunk guilty verdict but the jury was a bunch of ignorant, jaded people. DNA testing was still fairly new at the time too. When they brought the DNA specialist in, most people were pretty lost until Marcia Clark asked her to break it down so it was easier to understand and even then, the jury was clueless.
The trial really was a circus and one big sh*t show. Poor Nicole and Ron. I will never forget the case. Nicole was my Mom’s age, she was just 3 weeks older than my Mom, so that hit home for me right away… Thinking about Nicole’s kids asleep in the house is so eerie. The fact that OJ could do something like that to the mother of his own children then left knowing they were asleep and left alone at the scene really shows his true character. I’m just glad that they didn’t witness it and that none of them were the ones to discover the horrific scene! My heart goes out to all of them, the kids, the Browns and the Goldmans. It’s hard to believe it’s been 30 years.
Thanks to Tom for taking the time to speak and thanks to you and Kato for all the work you put into this!
👏
How did your stepdad and mom get access to the crime scene just a day or so later??? That crime scene was secured for a long time after the murders.
Fascinating love the channel thank you for keeping it real.
Thank you for a great show. I was case obsessed from 94 and beyond-from Huntington Beach. I love, love, love Tom Lange.
Thank you for the great comment. Keep coming back for new shows every week - and I'll get Tom Lange on again. T.Z.
Tom Lange is a decent man and true professional
well said! Thank you. T.Z.
Do you tuck him in at night ?
Top notch!
😂😂😂
Stand up guy no BS in him
Great show. Bring Marcia, Furman, Chris, Judge Ito, the Goldman's, and everyone else.
I remember this case growing up. Always thought OJ was the actor who committed the murders. I believe he was definitely helped. What stood out to me was the utter happiness outside the court when OJ was found innocent. Such a disgraceful act which did not take into consideration that two people were murdered. What a disgrace!!
I watched the entire trial live on tv, always felt he did it. Love these 2 guests!!❤️❤️.
Thanks so much! The stories are as fascinating now as ever. Appreciate you watching. T.Z.
Same.
Same! I only recently started re-watching the whole case again following OJ's passing. The "OJ Trial Uncut" UA-cam channel has it all uploaded on here in chronological order, fascinating stuff!
He didn’t do it. But he was there
Watch who killed Nicole by Norman pardo
Jill called in the license plate and reported seeing the bronco BEFORE she sold her story. It’s crazy she wasn’t called
Thanks for the comment. Watch for Jill to show up on our show soon! Hope you subscribe and keep coming back.
Agreed, she was a credible witness. Marcia completely missed the ball here with not putting her on. In fact it seemed Marcia would only put on evidence or witnesses that were 100% kosher, which isn't the way a prosecutor should behave. As Tom L rightfully says, if you have evidence you put it all on, you can sanitize it later. If I was on the jury I would not be concerned if Jill had sold her story if it was after she reported seeing the Bronco to the police. Marcia and Chris screwed this case up. Vincent Bugliosi should have been the lead prosecutor on this case, he knew what needed to be done.
The prosecution’s job was to sabotage the case and get OJ off. Once looking through that prism… all their stupid tactics makes sense.
@@Romulan2469and why didn't Chris Darden? He's the fool who demanded he use the glove in court....not even thinking it was soaked with blood and it would've been too small without washing the blood out.
@@Romulan2469 She dropped the ball and ran with things. It was TV gone wild by then. The serious problem with this is they tried to use that as a murder one case eye witness. Just stop right there, she was not a murder one eye witness, she was an eye witness to seeing his Bronco in the area at the time. That is not an eye witness to a murder one, however, it does classify as an eye witness to examine. I wonder if people read the slip here. No use calling her an eye witness unless she witnessed the murder. Get it?
My husband was a deputy and of course we are around a lot of police officers all the time and a lot of retired ones. Their minds are really sharp, even well into their 80s. And they don’t forget details ever!
That’s not what appeared to me when Mark Furman got stand, he forgot that he said that he hated N-words!
@@Blackday1229Remember Furman wasn't on trial! The jurors were interviewed after the trial and even though some didn't want to answer questions, several of them were quite open about this was payback for Rodney King.
If an ex-wife gets murdered, the ex-husband doesn't think of killing himself unless he is guilty.
I could listen to these stories all day. I watched the Bronco chase live and I remember my school stopped everything to let us watch when the verdict came in. Absolutely fascinating stuff.
Thanks so much! Come back every week - we'll keep the great guests and stories coming. T.Z.
The Bronco was for sale on that Vegas Gold & Silver Pawn Shop show some time back. The Seller wanted big money so Rick didn’t buy it.
Yup. I was a sophomore in HS. Our English teacher rolled the TV into our classroom and we watched the chase lol.
It has always been so shocking to me how he left Nicole for the children to possibly find. What kind of human does that?
Psychopaths
A psychopath…
Sociopath , never ever showed remorse of any kind . Not even on his deathbed.
Great comment! Thank you. Hope you keep watching. T.Z
I think the only reason why he didn't kill his kids is cause they didn't witness him do it, if they were not sleeping he would've taken out any witness including his own kids, which is why he had to take out Ron. Ron got there just as it was happening and saw OJ murdering Nicole. These murdering psychopaths like Chris Watts don't care about their kids, they have no empathy whatsoever, and they will take out every and any witness left behind. Justin and Sydney were lucky to be sleeping, pretty sure there would be 4 murdered in that house if they weren't.
There was never a dream team in this case. It was rather legal incompetence.
I’ve been for 16 years a lawyer ( criminal defense lawyer) the worst of the worst are always DA’s, I can tell you… roughly if a case end ups in a acquittal, 6 out of 10 is bad job of the prosecution, 3 out of 10 good job of the defense lawyer ( i’m throwing stones to my own roof), 1 out of 10 bad job of the judge. This case was an easy case, but the DA had to make it a circus, huge publicity, she thought it was going to be her stairway to heaven, and instead of letting the evidence guide the trial, she let her personality, OJ’s, and the circus media play the music… and they f…d up🤷
The jury made it clear that they could have watched the murder and still found him not guilty.
Do you think that was wrong?
Juror;
Shrug
Too much misaligned evidence. Too much planted evidence.
@@TheAlmightyGod1 bs....there was no evidence planted
@@squadric7722 obviously you didn't watch the trial.
@@squadric7722 the issue was Mark Furman getting caught lying on the stand. It was perfectly reasonable for the jury not to believe anything else he said because of that. Of course OJ did it, but the jury was provided with the perfect reason not to convict.
Tom Lange is a great cop and we owe him for his service.
Well said! Hope you subscribe and come back for more great guests. T.Z.
Tom Lange is great, judges not so much.
You are innocent until proven guilty and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
You are innocent until proven guilty and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
Lange, Fuhrman and Vanatter f****d up the case…incompetent and corrupt!! 👎🏾
OJ died without any remorse. Terribly sad that he had no concern for his children.
i really enjoyed listening to this great job guys !!
I am glad to see Kato keep his integrity. I did think he was treated horribly during the trial. It turns out that it was much worse than we knew.
Kato wouldn't tell the full truth of what he knew when he was on the witness stand giving his testimony. Marcia Clark labeled him to be a hostile witness, and announced this to Judge Ito.
Thank you for the comment! I hope you subscribe - another great guest next week! T.Z.
Was a college student in Pomona when the verdict was announced. You could feel the tension in the dorm. I was in my neighbor's room since he had the TV. I was the only Asian in a room full of white guys. The verdict was read. The whole room deflated and there was disbelief. Meanwhile, there was cheering in the lobby over the verdict. It was full black basketball players. Weird and surreal time.
In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and the courts proved him NOT guilty 😊...... soooooooo, OJ is as innocent as white privilege can be. The only problem euro americans have with OJ is that he doesn't have euro white skin 🤔 but euro americans cant accept it
Kato is so likable. Great show. Thanks
Thanks! Allan Park next week. Hope you subscribe. T.Z.
In my opinion, OJ did go there to kill Nicole because he was going to Chicago. I also believe Ron happened upon the scene and tried to stop it. I thought that from the beginning.