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Pixar's Coco was seriously my first date option to my current relationship! So naturally, it's pretty near and dear to my heart... And totally not some kind of bias that makes me say: THIS IS THE BEST PIXAR MOVIE. But I truly do adore it. And what is the best scene in the runtime? What is the scene that forever changed Coco for it's classic plot twist and elevation of stakes? Why it's the one where we finally learn of Ernesto De La Cruz's secret. The flashback Miguel causes between him, and Hector...
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... Such a wholesome movie. If you forget about all the dead people in it.
I feel it's also worth pointing out that when Imelda said "Miguel, I give you my blessing..." the marigold petal she was holding immediately began glowing, but when Ernesto said the exact same thing, the petal he held did not glow, foreshadowing the fact that Miguel wasn't actually related to De La Cruz.
OMG YES! It was probably the first thing I realized in the moment he gave Miguel the petal. It was soooooo good
I noticed it too when I first watched Coco.
i noticed that when i watched it the second time, and i was like "...HOW DID I _JUST_ NOTICE THAT??"
This! I caught that the first time I watched, and when the petal didn't glow I was like "Wait a damn second..."
@@allura9163 I actually thought it was an animation mistake the first time around. It was a great foreshadowing detail that also checked off all of the other tropes had de la Cruz been his relative.
I love how Mama Imelda doesn't forgive Hector for supposedly abandoning her and Coco right away, but seems to have forgiven him by the time of the ending in the afterlife some time later. Even though Hector left through no fault of his own, it's realistic that Imelda would need more time to warm up to him again.
They even show this in a very subtle way!
Throughout the movie, Hector was barefoot to show his isolation from the family. By the end, he's wearing a new pair of shoes.
Exactly and that’s what people seem to overlook, you can’t just get over thinking your love abandoned you and your child just like that. That anger doesn’t go away after so many generations have passed. It takes time. Also the fact that Hector still left in the first place even if he did try to go back
@@videohistory722 Also because the family literally makes shoes
@@donutmaxgaming9674...that was my point
@@videohistory722 Oh
The worst thing about Ernesto’s movie is that the character he plays immediately figures out that it’s poison and he beats the bad guy. This is basically his way of posthumously _mocking_ Hector as naive and stupid for trusting him when it happened in real life.
In most other stories where a flawed villain kills someone close to them, they hate themselves for it and desperately try to justify it as a necessary sacrifice. Ernesto not only has no shame or regret whatsoever for what he did, but through making this movie he’s basically _bragging_ about it.
Which makes the twist villain twist not really feel like a twist. It's just an extension of his already established character. It's a retroactive twist and that's genius writing.
I saw it as Ernesto's "justification" of his deed. A way for him to fool himself into believing that Hector could have and should have detected the poison and walked away, if he'd been a hero. But because Hector didn't, it must mean that he wasn't a hero and so deserved to die. Because a real hero would have found the way out. "If I had been wrong, he would have prevented it."
@@Codraroll "Cool motive, still murder"
Not only that, it really shows just how cold and ruthless he is when Miguel says " you cant do this, I'm your grandson" and his reply is a dismissive "And Hector was my best friend." statement with no emotion.
@@supermellow1x265 even in the end Hector isn't even thinking about his own state of being even though he's so close to fading. His only concern is Miguel's safety. Meanwhile even after supposedly thinking he killed a CHILD Cruz just puts on a nice little facade to the audience before realizing they know. That's just twisted. Shows how different they are and makes you wonder how they ever could've been friends.
One of the other reasons I love this scene, is it gives so much more context with Hector as a character. Up until now, Hector has been typecasted as the “comic relief” the sidekick whose job it is to help the protagonist reach their goals and navigate the world. Hector is silly, doesn’t seem to be taken seriously by anyone, and as an audience, we’ve laughed at his misfortune since the start.
At the entrance to the Land of the Dead, we learn that not everyone can cross the bridge through Hector’s failure; played off as a joke and a simple “darn flower bridge.” We learn if Hector’s death as “he choked on some chorizo” and even as he says “I got food poisoning,” we laugh, because it’s a stupid way to die. We’re out into the idea that Hector’s a clown, made to laugh at. This continues and we (and Miguel) disregard Hector when he says “I played with your great grandpa and taught him everything he knows,” “no manches” (no way). When Hector shows up again after the fight, we think he’s going to turn against Miguel…but then…th truth comes out.
This clown…this sidekick…this strange skeleton who died of “chocking chorizo”, was betrayed, murdered, and silenced by De la Cruz. As Miguel gets the revelation, so do we, and it garners much more sympathy and empathy than previous because…we were like Miguel. We disregarded Hector, focused on meeting the elusive De la Cruz, laughed at the poor skeleton man’s misfortune, when he was the victim of the “hero.”
i never thought a comic relief character like Hector would be taken seriously because it does add context and layers to the plot.
Ya love to see it
/also choking on a chorizo is a seggs joke
Just like Bing bong from inside out
I love that. Taking the character who, in any other animated film, would simply be the goofy sidekick character, and sneakily making him central to the plot. It's REALLY hard to write a goofy character who is also GENUINELY sympathetic and serious at the same time.
I love that Ernesto's downfall was his own ego. The movie plays in his mansion because he finds what he actually did back then as his greatest achievement. If it weren't for his ego then his secret might have still lurked in the shadows.
well deserved defeat.
Not to mention later, when he gloats about what he did because "No cameras are on me, I am free to be who I am", only for there to actually be a camera on him, so when he returns to his loving audience who he knows can see him do no wrong, he finds himself in for a big shock, to the point that when he is defeated in the same way he died, the crowd is cheering.
I love how this scene plays out, like it slowly dawns on Hector the same speed it does the audience. I also love in general how respectfully this movie portrays Mexican culture, and the ending is impossible not to tear up at.
It's one of my favorite scenes from Pixar for that reason. It's like slow build up, and it almost feels like YOU'RE making those SAME expressions he is and then BAM it clicks and I dunno you're just IN that moment with them. It's brilliant animation and writing. Man when he yells "I just wanted to go home" that just HITS hard. He wasn't even mad about the MURDER he was mad about the fact that him being murdered separated him from his family, in obviously both life and death. Damn.
Same! First time watching i fell in love with the visuals and everything. I was worried that they did something wrong that i can't see as i am not mexican or from any hispanic decent. So it is hard for me to tell whether they disrespect certain cultures or not, but from all i have seen the community was happy with coco which makes me happy cause i really love the movie (and honestly besides being interested with everything afterlife i love learning about views of afterlife or paranormal in other cultures so much). When the plot twist came it was this awesome but weird moment where i realised i had the suspicion but it just then clicked. The whole movie was a rollercoaster of emotion and i love rewatching it everytime. It's one of my favorite disney movies and imo truly underrated.
Sorry if this is a longer "rant" about how much i love this movie lol
The final scene where Miguel is singing to Coco is absolutely heartwrenching. I don't understand how anyone could not be moved by that.
@@calycalyps0 as someone who is mexican, it's absolutely a film i show to anyone i can because of how accurate and how amazingly it respects my culture.
@sunraes i love that! Thanks haha :D
One of the many reasons why I adore "Coco" is that it's not afraid to tackle dark subjects such as death, grief and pain, but doesn't talk down to its target audience, since they understand that they're smart enough to comprehend the complex, deep messages.
i agreed with you 100%. What are your thoughts on Ernesto De La Cruz as a twist villain because i thought it was well handled.
Another movie that talks about death,grief and pain that handle it well (in my opinion) is big hero 6
Yeah and you truly feel the emotions too. It's so well written and underrated
I watched this a few years ago. It's still one of the best movies ive ever seen
Or maybe it’s the fact that death is not a dark subject
What one has to remember, is this is right around the time where Disney AND Pixar were going IN on the twist villain plot. This easily could've soured things for the movie, since audiences were tired of it. With other Disney/Pixar twist villains at the time, the villain persona is SO out of character from the façade they had on, when the reveal happens, you're just left scratching your head.
But here, this is just something that actually makes sense as it's just a natural extension of de la Cruz's narcissistic personality of which we get showered in examples throughout the movie before actually meeting him. Not to mention, this is technically a retroactive twist. He's already done his evil. He's already on top. Again it's not like most other twist villains who wanted to GET to the top. He was already there in life AND death because of his crime. We're just witnessing the fallout of that act. It's rather genius when you think about it.
Also I love that when Miguel is thrown into the cenote, his immediate instinct is to run to Hector for comfort. It's a nice touch considering we still at the moment thought that this is just a stranger to Miguel. However, through the movie we see him behave in a much more familial type way towards Miguel, so we don't question the child. Hector has to be going through it, but his first thought isn't about himself, but this child who again at the time, he didn't know. He just instinctively comforts. There's a TON of subtle hints and details thrown in throughout the movie that MAYBE Miguel and Hector are the ones related, and not Cruz and Miguel, that you only catch on another watch. Another hint is that when Cruz gives Miguel his blessing, the marigold petal didn't glow. I didn't even comprehend that at the time, I was just trying to process the scene that came after.
I love movies like that, where every watch you see something new.
This is something I've thought before.
I usually like to compare bad and good twist villains to ice cream, because ice cream twist, where vanilla represents "good" and chocolate represents "bad" (because vanilla and chocolate are the basic bitch flavors and I like vanilla more than chocolate).
A twist villain done well starts the story showing their vanilla side. They clearly don't appear to be evil, since the elements that make them villainous haven't been demonstrated yet. As the movie continues you can start to shift the perspective, showing more of the chocolate that can later lead into their full-blown villainy. They still aren't villains yet, at this point you only see hints of chocolate that aren't worrying on their own. When the twist happens the perspective shifts dramatically, as we see just how far the chocolate runs through this twist. The vanilla side that made them appear wholly good is visible and still present, but now overshadowed by chocolate.
Waternoose is an example of this done well. Monsters, Inc. starts off with Waternoose appearing truly benevolent, a boss who cares about his employees and is concerned about the future of his company and the upcoming energy crisis. It isn't apparent yet, but we've already seen the first hints of chocolate that will become prominent later. He's concerned about the future of his company and the upcoming energy crisis, but once our perspective shifts we learn that he's *much* more concerned than he first appears, and will do whatever is necessary to buy more time. He doesn't like doing what he has to do, but he'll do it nonetheless. Waternoose hasn't changed, even as he kidnaps children and harvests them for power he does so for the same reasons that earlier on didn't appear worrying.
Bad twist villains like Hans or the racer guy in Turbo are the exact opposite. Where Waternoose is a true twist, a blending of good and evil traits that can pass as wholly benevolent with the right perspective, Hans is either pure vanilla or pure chocolate with no inbetween. We start off the story with Hans appearing wholly benevolent, because at this point he is. When he later turns, this isn't a shift of perspective giving us a new understanding of Hans. The new Hans has no traits in common with the old one, there's no carryover between their motivations that you can use to draw parallels. This isn't a twist, this is just taking my vanilla, replacing it with chocolate, and saying "psyche"! There's nothing interesting about this, its just stealing my ice cream!
@HugeDisneyFan holy Christ I didn't think of THAT detail my god this movie is so good with the subtly.
@@calsalitra4689 another great example is King Andrias from Amphibia. Even when he is committing crimes, his true "vanilla" personality is just as visible as his "chocolate" motivations
@HugeDisneyFan they recognized him because they have seen him last year on the day of the dead when they visited the family. Ernesto (and Hector for that matter) can't recognize him cause they have never seen him. It also took the family some time to recognize Miguel because it has been a whole year, ked has grown some.
@@calsalitra4689 That's a really good analysis and works well here with De La Cruz too. Throughout the movie, even up to the reveal, you see hints of him being not quite wholly good. Mostly again, egomaniacal. He saves Miguel yes, but in that "this gonna make me look good" way not cause he cared. Had he been a parent, he'd be that type who only saw the child as an extension of themself, not a wholly separate person who will have their own thoughts and goals and path to take.
I’m glad that Pixar at least did a twist villain way better than most of that era
A common pitfall with Hans, Bellweather and Disney’s other twist villains is that when the twist happens, the friendly front they put on is revealed to be a complete act that doesn't represent at all what they're really like. So they're essentially two different characters, and the "real" one only shows up in the last third so we never really get to know them. The only major exception to this is probably Lotso from Toy Story 3, but only because the twist/reveal happens much earlier in the film, so his real personality is more fleshed out than his fake one.
But what makes twist villains like Ernesto or Charles Muntz from Up work so well is that they’re not really _faking_ their charismatic demeanours from earlier. They’re genuinely hospitable and even friendly to the protagonists rather than manipulating or using them, but when the things they value are threatened, their more unhinged and cruel sides come to light. We’re not really seeing the "real" them, we’re just seeing a different side to them that was always there.
While the typical twist villains are probably easier for kids to process, I really appreciate the nuance in the idea that even people with sincerely good qualities can still be capable of committing atrocities, without even thinking that they’re wrong.
@@superfanmusicmaker Thank you, this may actually help me write better villains
@@superfanmusicmaker Lotsos motivations also make much more sense. Bellweathers hell turn is not only out of nowhere but suggests she didnt actually think about her plan very much
@@superfanmusicmaker That's so true. They're both charismatic villains that will use politeness and honey to get what they want. But, in their eyes anybody opposed is a threat. And threats have to be dealt with. It's a very simple archetype that works very, very well for making somebody sympathetic do a brilliant heel-turn dive.
And I especially love it with Ernesto because there's large implications throughout the film. Mr. "I don't need to arrive to rehearsals", Mr. "I never knew I had a family, but I will show this boy off to everyone because it gives me more clout", Mr. "Not only was I a brilliant musician, but I made so many films starring myself, and in my mansion I have them playing constantly as a background noise of my achievements". He clearly has an ego, and that kind of confidence makes people think they can get away with, well, murder.
Honestly, my favorite twist villain was Turbo from Wreck it Ralph
My favorite thing about Coco is the fact that Miguel is in fact the main character, but the central narrative is a father-daughter love story that teaches the importance of family, and it’s told so powerfully
Of course he’s just our vehicle to witness the events
It's really brilliant, because Miguel IS the one to have the character arc, but it's through Hector's obsession with his family, and his choice of family OVER music that fundamentally changes Miguel's mind. And in the end, with the new revelation about Hector's true demise, the family also repents and has their own arc, ultimately realizing that there IS a place for music in their lives without having to sacrifice family.
It's honestly perfect, and I'm so sad this movie didn't get the attention it deserved.
@@SeraphsWitness it did, it’s a very well praised Pixar classic now
@@Nic_2751 I don't know about that, it depends how you quantify it. It's at #15 on box office numbers for Pixar movies, below some pretty average titles like WALL-E, Brave, and Monsters University. It certainly didn't blow the roof off like some Disney blockbusters like Frozen.
For me, it's a Top 5 movie. I'd even put it at #1 if I was pressed.
@@SeraphsWitness you did not call the masterpiece of WALL•E average
Fun fact: This situation actually happened irl. Not like this movie, but in the aspect of a guy with a huge ego murdered someone and got away with it.
He got so cocky, that he wrote a murder mystery book where the plot was a "perfect" murder case. The only problem was that he used exact details that was not only similar to the murder he committed, but he used so much detail that it was stuff only the police knew about the case.
One of the cops who investigated it read his book and immediately pieced it together because they still remembered the case after years.
And that's how he was caught. He openly bragged about the murder.
If its not hard. Can you tell who it was?
@@shadowclaw7210 I dont remember who it was so I tried to look it up....
Turns out there's a lot of people who did this.
One guy's wife went missing, and a year later he wrote a manuscript about seven ways he would have murdered her, and it wasn't until he moved out that police got the evidence they needed to prove he did it (which was her body he cemented behind the walls).
Another was like a chinese serial killer who left clues to the murders in his novels, and i think i found one about a woman who murdered her husband and wrote a book called 'how to murder your husband' (but im not sure if the book came first and she worked off what she researched to do it or if it came after and she's writing what actually happened).
Bro, I didn't even realize how common this was compared to when I thought it was just one guy being a cocky dumbass.
This reminds me of when OJ Simpson who the book if I did it (If he had killed his ex and Ron goldman) and tried to publish it...thankfully it was denied.
this sounds very familiar. i may have read a comment not long ago almost similar to this story saying "someone committed murder, and another person wrote a book about it. the murder was found because they complained of how unrealistic and wrong the murder was narrated in the book"
I remember that story too
I adore the detail of how Ernesto took Hector's guitar right before he died. He grabbed it just in time to prevent Hector from bringing the guitar with him into the afterlife.
Is that who it works?
@@shadowclaw7210 in the end, when Miguel is playing his guitar, Hector comes up behind him & sticks his hand in it, pulling the "ghost" of the guitar from it. While Ernesto had a real guitar, Hector would still have the real guitar too, but in ghost form. I think Ernesto thought ahead. He wanted to make sure he was forgotten in this life, and the next. Judging by how the family easily knew how to sent him back, this might not be the first time that a living person made it to the underworld. And that person told the story to humans. A firm believer in the afterlife like everyone else, he made sure that by taking the guitar, and spreading lies, his secret will never be learned, even in death.
(Part 2 of first comment) You also see this in the movie The Book of Life. They left offerings on the Graves on their loved ones, favorite food & drinks. And the dead, Back for Dios De La Muertes, reached for it, pulling out the "ghosts" so they could eat it.
Yeah, maybe that's why the guitar is cursed in the first place. It was stolen while it's owner was in the process of dying, then was present when the thief was crushed to death by a massive bell. After all that, I'd be surprised if it wasn't cursed!
@@lonelyronin2428 I've always wondered how these traditions square with the very Catholic roots of Mexican family. Are they syncretistic practices from native central American cultures or something?
I notice there's definitely Catholic imagery in Coco but clearly none of this film is based on biblical theology. I'm wondering where it comes from or how seriously it's actually taken in Mexico. I believe the grandmother even does the sign of the cross at one point.
The sad thing when you really think about it, is Ernesto probably wouldn't be entirely forgotten even after the truth is discovered. In the real world a documentary would be made of him. He might be disgraced, but he won't ever really be forgotten. His memory lives in infamy now, but there's always those who would be fascinated and intrigued by his story, and still honor him.
Maybe that's a special kind of purgatory, having to live on in the afterlife with everyone hating you.
See, that’s why this is true poetic justice. Everyone will remember Ernesto but everyone in the underworld will also know and leave him under that bell. Forever. He won’t fade because someone will always remember him. Brutal but that’s okay lol
@SeraphsWitness Book of Life? edit: oof i just remembered it was called Land of The Forgotten xd
I doubt it, give it about 5-7 years
But also he's trapped under that bell, the entirety of the afterlife saw the live show broadcast, they know what he did, they even cheered when he was slingshotted
This movie holds a special place in my heart...
I'm a German, and my partner is from Mexico.
It made mea learn quite a few things about his culture, and ask even more questions, until we agreed that we want to mix our cultures together, and if we ever end up with kids, raise them knowing both.
The reveal scene in Coco was one of my favorites, I saw it coming, but it was just done so well...
If I hadn't known the trope of a kid looking for missing family, only to find out they were there all along, I wouldn't have known that Hector was related to Miguel and not Ernesto, and Ernesto having poisoned him actually took me by surprise.
Only on a second watch, did I notice the hint at there having been foul play involved in an earlier scene, when Hector says that he died of food poisoning...
The Incredibles might be good, but I think Coco actually overtook it as my favorite Pixar movie.
Just for the amazing visuals alone, but also, because they remind me of my partner's colourful nature.
i was shocked with the reveal scene.
Ernesto always reminded me of Charles Muntz from Up. Both are role models that are revealed to be psychopathic, all their work stolen from someone else. And that dead stare
Both of those villains provide an important lesson for young people, especially in the age of social media.
At least Charles Muntz had reason to be obsessing over restoring his image. He just took it too far, which makes him a great villain.
Also Muntz never was a bad guy he just became a villan because he went insane from all the years he spend at that jungle, meanwhile Ernesto was fully 100% aware of what he was doing was wrong and did it ethir way
It’s funny that Ernesto basically kind of confessed to committing murder kind of like how rappers do in their songs 😂
I never thought about it that way, but that's hilarious!
dumb murderers, amirite? if youre going to commit a crime, at least dont try and expose yourself
RIP Darnell Simmons
One of the murderers of basketball player Michael Jordan's father, the late James Raymond Jordan Sr. July 31, 1936 - July 23, 1993. Actually recorded himself rapping about him and his friend shooting someone to steal his stuff. The idiot was even stupid enough to wear Michael's ring in the rapp video.
egotistical people think no one is a smart as them
One minor detail is in the beginning when we see Miguel knock over the picture and reveals the guitar, the guitar has one gold tooth on the bridge. Hector is the only character that has a golden tooth to my knowledge in the movie. So from the very beginning it foreshadows his great great grandfather.
Another detail, when Imelda was giving her blessing the petal glowed as soon as she said his name, but when Ernesto did there was no glow.
Plus Ernesto already had poison, how long was he planning to kill his 'friend'?
The poison could have been a pesticide that they had in the place they were staying at the time. I've heard of a lot of murders in the early 20th century and before that were poisonings through putting rat or ant poison into food.
@@PhoenixRising87
Still he poisoned Hector without hesitation, as soon as he realized he was dead set on going home.
I’m going to guess that Hector had been discussing leaving and going home for some time with Ernesto and, according to supplemental material, it was getting close to Christmas so Ernesto might have been prepared for Hector to give up and return home early.
@@PhoenixRising87 I remember some post that said Hector's symptoms sounded like arsenic poisoning to the person writing. I was impressed and a little skeptical that such a short scene could have given anyone that much of a clue, but if Ernesto had decades of fame before dying in the early 1940s, that murder might have happened back when people still used arsenic in way too many household items (most famously green wallpaper, but also much more). It's possible in that case that Ernesto could have gotten ahold of some fairly easily and quickly--within a day or two, anyway.
You know, Ernesto could’ve still gotten away with his crime of murdering Hector and still informed Imelda that her husband died during the tour. I mean, in the Land of the Dead, everyone jokes how Hector died “from chocking on a churro”, which is the lie Ernesto used to cover up poisoning Hector, so he could have used it when writing a letter to Imelda to inform her how her husband died. I mean, Ernesto obviously had some interaction with his friend’s wife at some point during the tour and didn’t think that she’d be concerned about her husband’s whereabouts. If Ernesto had just told Imelda her husband died and still used his lie to cover up him being the cause of his death, Imelda wouldn’t have gotten the assumption her husband abandoned her and daughter to pursue his music career and shut him out from her life in the first place. So, thanks to Ernesto, Hector was disowned by his own wife and descendants for 96 years because he didn’t think of his best friend’s wife.
And yes, I know, the reason why… Because there’d be no story then.
Yes, he could've told Imelda Hector died. But remember, that would mean informing others that he died, which could lead to people being suspicious of him (he was the last person Hector was with), especially if he continued to use his dead friends songs (Coco had the letters as evidence). This was before he was famous, so he had no money or power to get himself out of it, informing her was too risky.
@@anib8863 But still despicable of him, nonetheless. And like I’ve mentioned, he used the lie of him choking on the churro to avoid his friend realizing he had poisoned him, so he could have still used it to avoid drawing suspicion.
@@hunterolaughlin Ernesto killed Hector because he wanted to use his songs, even if he got away with murder Imelda would no doubt be furious if she learned he was taking credit for her late husbands work and definetelly tell everyone she knew.
Ernesto doesn't care about anyone but himself, so for him the safest option was to hide the body and never tell anyone what happened.
@@anib8863 Like I mentioned, I am aware it’s for the sake of the plot nonetheless cause the Riveras asides from Miguel and Coco, wouldn’t have had a disdain or ban on music.
@@anib8863 Plus, you are right Ernesto only cares about himself. I even feel like his annual parties he holds in his mansion on Dia De Los Muertos just before his Sunrise Spectacular Concert is a representation of his egotistical side as he only holds the parties and concerts in celebration of himself. I mean, look at the way his mansion is decorated with screens playing his movies and how he has a room where he stores all his gifts he’s received over all the years from his fans’ offrendas. I also feel like he invites famous deceased Mexican celebrities like Jorge Negrete, Pedro Infante, El Santo, etc. just so cause it gives him the excuse to hang out with other famous Mexican celebrities. I don’t think he holds any mutual friendships with any of them. Similar to how Randall only joined Roar Omega Roar just so he could get in with the popular “cool” kids in Monsters University.
2 things not mentioned
1. The changing of the tone of Remember Me is very important not just to show that Ernesto doesnt care about the song in any meaningful way but by making it a more bombastic song it makes it about him. The song being upbeat and cheery is about Ernesto wanting people to remember HIM and that he is with them in a very self aggrandizing way. Where as when the song is soft and relaxed it is very much about Coco and Hectors family. As a lullaby it is about remembering that her father is always thinking about her. This illustrates the importance of tone in music.
2. If you watch the memory where Hector is trying to leave the height and power dynamic are framed towards hector. It shows him as taller and more in charge. Showing that their relationship is obviously weighted in Hectors favor as opposed to earlier in the film where Ernesto is taller and more powerful compared to the Hector when Ernesto takes the picture. Showing how the Dynamic was changed through duplicitous action instead of Talent.
Nobody going to talk about the fact that Ernesto was holding Miguel in front of himself not in a protective grasp kind of way but to put Miguel between him and Hector to protect himself. It’s super subtle but it’s so good
He kinda mentioned that in the video.
It's such a clever twist, and really well foreshadowed too - everything from the petal not glowing, to Ernesto seeming puzzled and confused by the idea of having a descendent, because surely he would *remember* having had a wife and kid when he was alive. (In life I'm betting he was probably a womaniser who never settled down - it would fit his personality - so his first thought was probably something along the lines of "huh, so one of my old girlfriends got pregnant and didn't tell me"). As for me, I was suspicious of him at first because he's so clean-cut and self possessed, especially compared to the adorably dorky Hector - and we all know which kind of character Pixar always prefers for its heroes. 😜
Ernesto's blank death glare to Miguel scared the hell outta me when I first watched it---and it still does.
it's genuinely unnerving
I recall my Spanish teacher in high school showed us this movie during one of our class. It was the first time I’ve seen it and it was truly amazing the best Pixar twist I’ve ever seen
yes siree.
My Spanish teacher also did this 😂💖
Both of my Spanish teachers did
Watching this movie, it never struck me as odd or disturbing that Miguel is in the Land of the DEAD until this moment. Seeing Ernesto’s eyes just pierce through the screen makes it so disturbing.
the worse is that this CGI character's blank stare dosen't even come CLOSE to some blank stares I had on me by some live stone cold/intimidating people in the past.
it makes me shiver every time i watch this movie
I think that might have been the filmmakers' intention. Remember, this movie is told through Miguel's (a child's) eyes. Throughout the film, the Land of the Dead was seen as a colorful, magical place. Since Miguel is still young, his mind hasn't fully grasped the concept of death being so absolute. And he already (briefly) escaped the Land of the Dead before so he probably thought he could escape just as easily after Ernesto gave his blessing. So when he learned of Ernesto's true identity (a fraud and murderer) and was tossed into that pit, it finally struck Miguel that he was seemingly past the point of no return.
I love the small detail of the petal not glowing when Ernesto says “I give you my blessing.” It’s seems like a subtle foreshadow to Ernesto not really being Miguel’s great-great-grandfather. I don’t see anyone talking about it.
For the record: the movies were playing on a loop. That was part of the whole party experience. The only luck was that exact scene playing out right when Miguel mentions it.
And Hector wouldn’t even be at the mansion normally. It was really just a bad day for Ernesto.
11:19
De la Cruz: “you don’t think I kill him do you?”
Miguel: “no”
De la Cruz:🗿
Lmao
I would rather say that the scene which changes Coco is Everyone knows Juanita scene. We see musical skills of Hector and that even in the afterlife is the final death:being forgotten by everyone, which leads to clou of the film: memories.
Also departure of Chicharrón is depressing for Hector as he knows he soon will be in the same position.
I still can't believe a Pixar movie had legitimate (assumed) tequila in it.
It's spicy water
Kids 🤓
Or Mezcal who knows
The mother in Turning Red accused a kid of using drugs, I’m sure nothing is shocking anymore lol
gotta stay true to latino culture
This movie is far too underrated. That scene where you realize "Remember Me" was written to be rubato, for his daughter who he never got to see... it's a work of art in screenwriting and music all at once.
I watched Coco for the first time as a Marine Corps Officer in my late twenties, overseas and surrounded by other Marine Corps Officers - several of whom had seen extensive combat... If you can make it through that film without crying, you are a monster.
The look on de la Cruz’s face when he said, “do you?” ( 11:17 ) always gives me chills. It’s so cold and intimidating. Great job to the animators
I have to say Coco had a better plot twist than Frozen, Big Hero 6 and Zootopia combined.
I was shocked that they outwardly told us that Ernesto MURDERED Hector. I remember thinking in the theater that it was dark for a kids movie.
Murder and death is in a lot of kids' movies actually. This wasn't too bad.
"A taste of the real world" they call it.
This movie came out shortly after my mother died in a hard battle against cancer. I went to the cinema with my sisters and I really cried my heart out with this movie. Since, I kinda blocked it out of my mind and this video just reminded me every last bit of emotion, but in a more soft and less painfull way. Now I really understand, all that grief I felt finally came to an end and Dazz just made me realice it. I've been struggling a bit this year, so I don't really thought about it, but it feels warm in some way.
Maybe Dazz will never see this comment but, anyways, Thanks you so much for making me realice all of this.
Trully, muchísimas gracias Dazz.
Something I just noticed is when Ernesto holds the flower petal to Miguel, it doesn't light up at all like when it does when Mama Imelda holds it to him.
I'm really surprised that you mentioned the light from the pool reflecting onto Ernesto towards the end of the video because throughout the entire scene, Ernesto was the one reflecting the most green out of the three characters on screen which I thought would have been very obvious to point out
The thing for me about Coco's song is that Remember Me was Hector's promise to come back to his family
I hate how Mama Imelda's grief was the only thing keeping her family from knowing the truth. Ernesto was running around with her husband's guitar, singing the perverted lullaby he wrote for their daughter and more than likely other songs they did together, if she had just not completely shut music out of her life, she may have found out a lot sooner that her husband was murdered and wouldn't have let him get away with it for three whole generations. Not knocking grief or trauma responses, it's just frustrating to think about.
I used to really dislike Imelda, and while I don't anymore and actually sympathize with her, it makes no sense to carry the grudge against music to the grave...and after, to the point that she refuses to give Miguel her blessing to go back to the land of the living unless he never plays music again. Like....lady, I get that you're hurting and all, but if it's you descendant's life at stake, esp. when he's just a kid...let it go!
Exactly what I was thinking! If they hadn’t rejected music in their lives, and would have tried to find Hector, they would have realized he wasn’t with Ernesto anymore, and realized something was wrong! Out of Imelda’s own self-imposed ignorance out of grief, she shut herself away from ever possibly learning the truth. And she held onto her hurt and resentment so much, that she never sought him out in the Land of the Dead, to see if she could find out the truth or the “why” he “abandoned” them. And that is truly heartbreaking!
Something iv'e always wondered is why Ernesto has a bottle of poisoned wine sitting there.
The poison was probably from something they already had in that place they were staying in. I've heard of poisoning murders in the early 20th century being done with rat poison, ant poison, and hell, even insecticide found in flypaper.
@@PhoenixRising87 Interesting
Yeah, me too. It’s like he PLANNED on killing Hector all along.
Or how many musicians did Hector kill?
Any body has skeletons in this closet, so, why not poisoned tequila?
Dante was the smartest spirit guide ever, he immediately brought him to his family when he couldn’t make contact with humans. Then when Miguel first said he needs to find his great great grandpa, the dog sniffs him out and finds him instantly
I mean he's taking the petal because he needs that specific flower to send Miguel home and it's just the closest one to him that isn't the floor. I didn't find that as odd as the fact the shot is framed very coldly compared to how warm-toned the rest of the movie is.
I... love the animation when he says "do you?" it's just a very small thing, but the expression he makes is just.... so chilling to me. The way his eyes widen and his mouth moves in smaller ways, it's just such a beautifully animated, nonverbal threat.
Coco is one of my personal favorite Pixar movies. I love the story and animation. And this reveal is so good.
I’ve long touted Coco as my FAVORITE Pixar movie of all of them. I often in my life go back and rewatch the mama coco singing scene just so that I can get a good cry in.
This is still my favorite Pixar movie
Also Ernesto’s petal never glows hinting at there being no connection
I love that in the scene, Ernesto is in cold dark lighting. Blues and greens. But when hector arrives he comes through warm bright lighting!
I love that with all the face close ups in this scene, the reveal of Human hector and seeing his picture held up next to Miguel for that split second you notice how similar they look
I think part of what makes this twist work so well also is that earlier on in the movie when Hector is introduced, he's kind of framed as just a slightly pathetic comic relief character, just some random guy who's down on his luck Miguel ran into, and you see he's clearly borrowed and borrowed from people without ever giving back, leading to people treating him as untrustworthy and a mooch throughout the movie. Traditionally in movies, the comic relief character typically doesn't become more important than that just a comic relief, so when they revealed that Hector is actually the estranged husband of mama Imelda instead of De La Cruz and is central to the movie's conflict, it's surprising in a really satisfying way. At least it was to me. It also reframes his earlier comical attempts at crossing the bridge as tragic instead.
I loved COCO. But after watching a youtube movie review video about it, where it mentioned how the movie became one about feel-good oppression (either by accident or full intent), I COULD NEVER SEE COCO THE SAME WAY.
They mentioned how COCO introduces a flawed system at the beginning of the movie - the checkpoint at the bridge where Hector could not pass, the living situation of the "forgottens" in the slums until they fade and die in their second death while the famous dead lives in luxury. Then contrast that with the end where the audience feel good about the main characters having their happy endings, but ultimately the same flawed oppressive system in the beginning of the movie still lives on. Where the other "forgottens" were still living the same way. Nothing has changed except for this single individual - Hector.
If anyone is interested. Title is "Coco's Feel-Good Oppression" by eliquorice. It is an awesome video, worth watching.
That is a valid reading, and I am all for examining systems of power, but it should be noted that the "flawed oppressive system" is based on the actual beliefs of the people who celebrate the holiday, and even in-universe is enforced just as much, if not more, by natural forces as by the people in the land of the dead. The bridges themselves keep the people with no pictures put up from crossing, the checkpoints in-universe then must be more to improve traffic flow and prevent people from getting hurt trying to cross even if not remembered than they are to actually prevent anyone from leaving the land of the dead. And regardless of how the forgotten are treated in the afterlife, being forgotten will make them fade. I am not an expert, but I also believe in at least some versions of the original myths/cosmology the forgotten are moved physically to a new afterlife until they do eventually fade, and the slums could be a representation of that...
Also, even in-universe, It is reasonable for all of the dead to admire famous people out of a desire to be like them, and remembered by a lot of people for what will likely be a long time. Especially if they had known who the famous person was in life. And it is reasonable for the remembered to not want to associate with the forgotten, because death makes people uncomfortable and I doubt the remembered like seeing reminders of what will eventually happen to them.
And, while in-text it might have been possible to lead some sort of cultural revolution in the treatment of the forgotten by the remembered... that is a little beyond the scope of Miguel's power. He's just a kid, and he has to go home. And beyond that, I personally do not think it would have been very culturally sensitive of pixar to try and change the fundamental cosmology behind a holiday they were making the backdrop/plot of a movie.
Any people who are of a culture which celebrates Dia de los Muertos, please correct me if I got anything wrong ofc.
@@rachelmoody1520
Wall of text ahead. Honestly, the video I mentioned in my original comment explained my point best.
Let's talk about that checkpoint before the bridge. In this universe, the cosmos has already created its own checkpoint [e.g. the bridge not allowing souls whose pictures are not displayed in any ofrendas]. But this afterlife has this system that voluntarily added this checkpoint before the bridge. You say that it was for crowd control, but is that really it?
I think this is just the film creators' way of making the scene more #relatable for the audience, without thinking about what it implies. They could have made this world's bridge wider so there would be no need for control. They could have made the flowers magically lift the souls and transport them to their families. But no they intentionally created the afterlife as something that is close to the real world. And a throwaway comparison for real life [border control] and the made-up afterlife [bridge checkpoint] like this was so haphazardly made that it makes the movie appear sinister if really reflected on.
Thinking about it, why do some of the souls in this universe's afterlife have to work as border-control personnels, policemen/policewomen, body guards? It implies that there is a system in this afterlife that is created not by the rules of this universe's cosmos but by the souls themselves. An oppressive system promotes the segregation of the remembered and the forgotten.
The movie introduced the concept of souls bringing the food offering back to the afterlife. They introduced the idea that souls can share the offerings they get. And yet there is a system that keeps the overflowing offerings of the remembered from the reach of the hungry forgottens. This is a direct copy-paste from the real world. Why does the movie have to add this oppressive system without saying anything else about it other than "this thing exists and we think it is bad". The movie took time to explore how the forgottens are oppressed by the system. But by the end of the movie, nothing changes for the forgottens. Only now, Hector gets to be part of the remembered.
So basically, the movie took time to explore the sufferings of the forgottens just so the audience would feel bad for Hector and then feel happy when he is no longer a forgotten. Yet it didn't really plan on saying anything about the oppressive system that perpetuates the suffering that Hector once endured. No plans to change it whatsoever. Which is sinister since its a system that the movie consciously copied from the real world.
@@jholmes553 look, I don't believe in the Day of the dead personally. But the way you're saying what you're saying is kind of rude.
@@funlover163 How is it rude? I was merely critiquing how the movie chose to portay the celebration and not the celebration itself. My issue was on how the movie practised their creative liberty so haphazardly.
I also dont celebrate Dia de los Muertos but my country was colonized by Spain and ruled via Mexico. And in that hundred of years of colonization and control, we did adapt and celebrate a similar tradition on the same day as Dia de los Muertos.
@JHolmes As a person that DOES celebrate Dia de los Muertos, that video does make some valid points, BUT in all honesty us Mexicans couldn't care less if there was some allegory of some of our family trying to cross the border legally/illegally. It's true that there are a lot of us that live in the slums and are forgotten, but we've come to term that it DOES need to be fixed but until it does it just exists and we are taught as kids not to go into those areas. I think one thing to remember about Latino/Mexican culture is that we are happy with ANY representation especially about a holiday so beloved and so celebrated. While different people have their own traditions- fun fact- in smaller towns families lay out cempasuchil flowers (or candles) from their homes to their families' graves, so I think the flower bridge is a great touch for that AND it makes sense why Hector couldn't cross since there were no flowers layed out for him because no one is honoring his life "properly." And the food thing you bring up does make sense as to why the dead should share, but it also makes sense why they would be greedy because most of the time the living family puts food out SOLELY for THEIR dead family and no one else. I've heard about lost souls trying to steal their food and that's why they need their pictures up so that it's like a barrier for that.
He was a twist villian done right.
Good breakdown.
I remember watching the movie with my family (we watched it in Spanish, which to us just sounded better). When Hector came to the realization to what De La Cruz did to him and started explaining what happened, I got chills at the end when he said "desperté muerto."
fun fact, in Mexico Block and Concrete houses are common and almost the norm, so while fires do still happen, they rarely reach the levels they do in USA, cause there is littleplace for the fire to spread too
Something that struck me as weird during the first time I watched this movie was how Ernesto was genuinely surprised that he has a great-great-grandson, like at all. While not explicitly stated, it was heavily implied that Ernesto was a bachelor his whole life. Ernesto’s surprise was the first big hint that he’s not who Miguel thinks he is. How can you have a great-great-grandson if you yourself never had kids? Of course, he could have had one night stands or mistresses while he was alive, but who takes family photos with their mistresses?
That son "who nobody knows about" is a trope in latino patriarchal culture, so no surprise at all here 😂😂
He was supposed to be an idol on the level of Elvis Presley; you really don't think the guy had a groupie for every day of the week? He probably fathered many children without knowing about them (or, you know...caring).
Hey daz, just wanted to say thanks cause these videos are almost exactly what my y12 english literature exam was and watching these was so incredibly helpful! And now I've graduated high school, so thank you!
One of the best twist villain reveals of all time
I like how Dazz looks at every little milasecond of this movie and says that it tells us something
Cuz it tends to do
0:16 I thought the same when the room appeared on scene. All those candles and so much flamable materials around 🤣🤣
I like how you feel betrayed by Ernesto as much as Hector and Miguel
You're really on point with this one, cause I sincerely predicted everything else EXCEPT for this plot twist.
I just recently saw in Spanish class but the movie was in Spanish which felt so right.
A scene i want to be analysed is lilo and stitch 2, stitch dies. While yes stitch does come back to life it shows their relationship in a different light. Stitch came into Lilo’s life when she needed someone the most and while it took him a bit to come around be her friend and family, he brightened her world up so much. Stitch 2 shows us that Lilo impacted stitch much more than simply turning him from bad to good. When stitch starts glitching he becomes scared of himself and doesn’t entirely trust himself to not hurt lilo by the end of the movie that he was going to isolate himself from her. He didn’t want to become evil again, he wanted to keep lilo and his family safe. I’m not a great analyser but this scene changed my look on stitch as a person, how he needed lilo because he didn’t know what was happening to himself. He needed her as much as she needed him in the first movie.
13:27-13:31
I recommend LED Candles
Less of a fire hazard and more co friendly
Coco teaches a lesson about writing Vs Intent
With a change in tone and speed, a song can adopt a completely different identity
Personally I absolutely love Coco, it’s such a great movie that has comedy, action, and feels that hit at all the right beats and Ernesto makes for an amazing villain
Coco’s plotwist caught me off guard and completely shocked me
Coco is definitely nothing short of a masterpiece. I've never seen such incredible writing!!! I think for me the scene that changed Coco was when Miguel finds out that Hector is actually his great great grandfather, but this is pretty close to that.
I love Coco so much I CANT even describe it. I Watch it at least 5 times a week and OmG it’s so well written, the relationships, the characters, the plot, the twist.
way number 1 coco needs more recognition
The way Ernesto said "You don't believe that, do you?", I knew something was up. There was no trust in him after that scene.
It's pretty unnerving with that stare too
Coco is definitely in my top 5... no, Top 3 films of all time. The writing and direction are all so very tight, so perfect; the twist is so impactful without being obvious. The morals and the music, it all jives so perfectly with my soul; the contrast of fame vs legacy, the importance of family, the individual beauty of love and memory, it's all so well made and moves me to tears every time.
Man this movie never gets old. One of my favorites
Anyone else think about how Ernesto just had poison on hand? Hector probably talked about wanting to go visit home soon or the ideas of quitting and going home so Ernesto went and got something to poison him with just in case he did try to leave.
Unless he had it on hand for longer, intending to poison Hector after he wrote enough songs for their career so that he wouldn't have to share the fame and glory with Hector even if he didn't try to go home
Be honest, when I saw the trailer for this movie I thought that Ernesto was Miguel's grandfather. But I was genuinely surprised and shocked that he is not what he seem to be. Then again, pretty sure everyone guess it and I'm a pretty dense dude who enjoy watching a wholesome movie. xD
The beauty of remember me is that since Hector never sang it to anyone but Coco, Ernesto's upbeat quick tempo makes more sense as he had never heard it before
Ernesto; the only decent twist villain in modern movies
These breakdowns are truly fantastic. I never look at stiff like this, analytically about the distance and angles.
Very cool stuff
This movie got me the first time, I admit. I predicted from the beginning that Ernesto was going to turn out to be an egotistical jerk once we actually met him. But then Miguel met him and he seemed so cool, and I was like, "Aw hey look, he's an OK guy, I guess my prediction was wrong!" And then the movie was like HAHAHA ACTUALLY MURDER.
This is why I love twists, because this was a good one
I knew Ernesto was going to be a bad guy as soon as I saw him, but I was so angry when I found out what he had done 😡 . I actually growled in the cinema and a few people looked at me weirdly 🤣
i paused in the middle of this before to rewatch Coco and now i’m back after sobbing
this movie is a master piece, the message it sent to its audience, the story, the music, everything was beautiful. Its such a great movie and one I'll rewatch with my kids when I have them, thank you again Pixar for creating another great masterpiece.
This scene would have been so much more impactful if Miguel didn’t describe the scene of the fake movie and instead we focused on only Hector’s reaction with the movie noises in the background. This would allow us to connect the dots slowly before we get Hector’s explanation instead of being told he gets poisoned. I know you need to explain things for children but there is already plenty of energy and enjoyment for them to enjoy.
I hate Miguel’s explanation of the scene. Its fine that he points out the movie and makes the connection but it would have been so much better if we just had Hector’s reaction to carry the scene along side the background noise of the movie playing.
5:19 It's definitely a *massive* lapse of judgment but in fairness this sort of thing happens more often than you think.
The moment I saw hector I had a feeling he was his great grandfather in middle I thought maybe not but he will have a significant role n during this scene I was sure he's the grandpa yet this scene was super impactful and also made me bawl my eyes out
There’s a small detail that you got wrong
Miguel isn’t retreating to Ernesto’s side for protection from an agitated Hector
Ernesto is actually supposed to be pulling Miguel in front of him to use him as a meat shield to protect himself from a potential threat
It’s supposed to be a subtle hint that Ernesto isn’t actually a good person
I always forget that most people don't always understand the little Spanish words thrown in perio. I love to those little details and I wish I could watch it in Spanish on Disney plus but I don't see that language available on mine
This is basically a "One Villainous Scene" video without that title lol
I cry everytime at the end where they all walk over the bridge and they all have shoes T_T, Hector is the ONLY character that is without shoes and Mgiuels family HIS family for are shoemakers this means they did shoes for him to wellcome him back to the family. Emelda and Hector have a matching purple color scheme, a color symbolizing royalty/heads of a family and or power.
In a certain way about the movie playing in his home, it can mean many things about him. One such meaning is that he plays that movie constantly in his home because he never wants to forget what he did and maybe have a small amount of guilt he did said crime. Another could be he is so proud of having gotten away with that crime to a point he lived a happy successful life without anyone finding out that he keeps it running as a symbol of the moment that turned his life around towards his success in life and never thought that one day the truth will be revealed to everyone even after death.
As for why he made such crime he commited into a movie, it is most likely out of pride since no one ever found out about it. For many people, they may think such events is just a movie and a person like him who has such a successful life and positive personality will never do such a horrible thing.
i love how in this scene (2:58) you can see how the petal does not light up when ernesto says: "i give you my blessing" forshadowing that he isn't Miguels family member
Hector: We had a deal chamaco! 2:59
I have to mention... Transparent models is not a big deal. It's quite common. Just not in big cinema releases like Pixar and Disney
I love the little detail that the marigold petal didn't light up when Ernesto was blessing it. Because he can't do that for Miguel. They're not family.
In México family ties are not relevant for a blessing, but the sincerity of whom give it. By this moment in the movie Ernesto knows well that Miguel is not his grand grand son, so he don't care at all of him.
@@asadabdulqaabir4006 By the rules of the movie, he needs a blessing from his family to go home. It's why Emelda had so much power over him and why he sought Ernesto in the first place. He thought that man was his great grandpa. Ernesto, by the logic of the movie, could not bless Miguel because they aren't family.
I love how Ernesto holds Miguel infront of him when Hector appears almost like a shield. Since he thinks he is just some stranger.
And that look Ernesto gives Miguel when he says "Do you" is terrifying
You can really tell that Ernesto is not only a murderer but an evil character. Murderer somehow felt guilt but he never did. He is still proud he did that to Hector.
I don't know if I'd go as far as saying he was proud; it was just something he did to help him get famous. Which actually makes it all the more disturbing.
I literally rewatched this last night. Great timing!
I don't know what it is about Miguel's design but I just want to squish his lil' face so much.
i cannot describe how much I love this movie
5:25 And Hector wouldn’t have ever seen it normally, since he didn’t go to Ernesto’s mansion very often, if at all, and didn’t seem to watch any of his movies. For Ernesto, this was just a really unlucky day.
the only thing this villain needs is an evil song, but i guess it can be argued that his version of remember me is most despicable once you hear the real song. and in the disney park you can hear a ghostly haunting wicked version of the song