Disney's Twist Villains: Worst to Best
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
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Never expected this video to blow up the way it did (thank you!) but it does mean I'll be haunted by some of these dated takes:
-Way too harsh on Goob, I don't know why now I put him on the bottom, all things considered he's done well, but I think at the time I found him more annoying than funny.
-Should have included Atlantis and Syndrome,
-I say it doesn't matter if it guessable and then spend too much time analyzing if it's guessable.
-Everyone brings up Hans'face at that moment being misleading but I think it makes sense for it to be read as 'Wow this is going to be easier than I thought'
Was that "Rainbow Factory" I heard?
H A H
What would be your updated ranking if you added Rourke, and Syndrome and took into account your less harsh feelings on Goob?
The Disney Corporation itself is the biggest twist villain.
True including Mickey Mouse itself
Disney has enough money to make nuclear weapons
I mean yeah
Don't be ridiculous. If it WAS a twist villain, they'd PRETEND to NOT be evil.
*oh shit*
Prince Hans be like:
"Well, the plot decided i'm a villain now, so... Mua ha ha, i guess..."
“I guess” 🤣😅
If he kissed her and it failed, the entire scene would have made much more sense. Anna probably wouldn't marry him if she didn't think he was his true love. So he would have to act fast to maintain his claim
Magentapurple YAP I’m sorry but this made me snort
@@Jonarrthan that's a really good idea
It’s because she ate his sandwich
I love how in Encanto they fool you into thinking their was an actual villain but turns out there was just an emotional obstacle.
Especially since for a good portion of the movie, the characters fool you into believing that Bruno is this "horrifying future teller that makes your goldfish die", when in reality, Bruno is actually a lovely guy, just suffers from a bad case of serial awkwardness
@@puppetpawss Adding onto that is how they didn’t actually make Alma out to be a bad guy either. Sure, the way she treated Mirabel and the rest of the family was wrong and largely the reason why the house became unstable. But her actions were understandable as she was desperate to keep her home and village safe. She just needed to have an honest discussion with her family and realize that she shouldn’t be projecting her own stress and trauma onto them.
@@Cure_Hana Me who is still massively pissed at Alma:
@@puppetpawss stop projecting you into bruno, he wasnt banned of the family bc he was ankward
@@olaf-chan-728
... I never said he was? I know why he was "banished" as you say, doesn't take away the fact that as a person, he was displayed as being kind of awkward.
For the Coco movie. You forgot to mention that Disney ACTUALLY TOLD US that Ernesto de la Cruz WASN'T related to Miguel since the very moment Ernesto was granting his blessing to him. The flower petal ISN'T glowing when he says the words "Miguel, I grant you my blessing". You can see that when Mamá Imelda and Héctor bless the petal, it starts to glow immediately whereas with Ernesto's is not. It's a great detail really covered up when Hector comes in to interrupt dressed as Frida Khalo.
Agreed. There are a lot of great details that lead up to the reveal of Hector as his great great grandfather instead, but because Hector appears to be a liar and a conman(not because he really is, but because he's desperate), we don't consider him and take Miguel's beliefs on Ernesto at face value instead.
Someone who pays attention
*Y E S*
Also when Miguel asks the dog to take him to De La Cruz he immediately goes to Hector.
Also when we get introduce to Hector you can see the golden tooth just like the guitar.
@@theprankingweasel2592 ahhhhh the e isn’t perfectly spaced in the middle ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
In other words: Pixar knows how to do twist villains while Disney doesn't.
Ever since _Wreck-It Ralph_ and *ESPECIALLY* _Frozen,_ Disney has been shoehorning the Plot-Twist villain trope in EVERY one of their Animated films these days where it just becomes repetitive, obvious and predictable and you can thank Pixar's influence (mainly John Lasseter) for making Walt Disney Animation Studios utilizing this in their films these last 6-7 years. Sometimes it works (e.g. King Candy, Te Ka) other times it becomes TOO predictable and cliched (e.g. Hans, Callaghan, Bellwether). 😑
It Still feels baffling for CellSpex to have Bowler Hat Guy (Goob), Callaghan, and Bellwether ranked way below Hans when literally their Plot Twists and motivations were more believable and made the most sense compared to Hans' Plot Twist and Motivations in Frozen IMAO.
I'm hopeful and optimistic, that future Disney animated films from Walt Disney Animation Studios will bring back the classic Disney villain trope that was utilized from the Renaissance era and in their earlier Disney animated films since Snow White, cause we haven't had a classic Disney villain since Dr. Facilier and Mother Gothel respectively.
Yeah, Hans wasn't a good twist villain, but his role was pretty important to show the sisterly love between Elsa and Anna
Except for Zootopia and Turbo
@@noname8354 Even so, Hans being the villain was just an afterthought and a last-minute add-in by the people who made Frozen during the final stages of development for the film.
On top of that, I have to disagree with Cellspex on putting Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether way below Hans cause frankly, Professor Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether's motives and twists were more understandable and believable when compared to Hans motives, regardless if both of their plot twist reveals were too "cliched" and felt more like "Scooby-Doo" than the former. Even Bowler Hat Guy (Goob) should've been put way higher on the list and above Hans if you ask me.
Personally, King Candy/Turbo was one of the few recent Disney villains that was actually handled very well with the Plot Twist when compared to Hans, Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether released after him, as the twist not only shocked the audience but also Felix and Ralph in the film as they thought that Turbo was gone for good up until Vanellope’s glitching revealed King Candy’s true identity. Even Te Ka was also another Disney Plot Twist villain that was also handled very well and right on par with King Candy.
THIS is how I would rank the Disney and Pixar Plot Twist villains from Best to Worst (in my opinion):
1. Lotso
2. Stinky Pete
3. Ernesto De La Cruz
4. King Candy/Turbo
5. Te Fiti/Te Ka
6. Charles Muntz
7. Mr. Waternoose
8. Bowler Hat Guy (Goob)
9. Bellwether
10 Callaghan/Yokai
11. Evelyn Deavor
12. DOR-15
13. Rourke
14. Hans
15. Miles Axelrod
@@Karlsteins You mean Wreck-It Ralph not the Dreamworks movie with the Snail (Turbo)?
The real moral of Disney movies: Scooby-Doo format works best with Scooby-Doo
Oop. That’s the tea
yes
lmao, yes
UNCREATIVE SCREECHING true
Nah, Persona 4 did it pretty well too but that whole game was just Japan making a Scooby-Doo clone.
I acknowledge that Callaghan was a bad twist villain, but his outfit is just insane. Love every bit of it
Honestly Big hero 6 was and still is my favorite Disney movie
poor planned villain, but still a great movie to be sure, likewise with several of the bad villains on the list
And the microbots! I love the angular way they move and flood around, with the unstoppable sense you get from a tsunami or flood but with the strength of metal and the intent of a human consciously attacking you. Perfect stuff of villains
I Loved The Movie, But The Villain Sucked
The villain in his aesthetics, actions, and role as an antagonist is great. It's just who's under the mask that sucks.
i honestly LOVE the turbo/king candy twist. wreck-it ralph came out when i was around 6 or 7 years old, and i fell in love with it instantly. the turbo twist was REALLY effective to little-kid me, and i couldn’t get enough of it. it’s just calm enough to where it can still be in a kid’s movie, but just scary enough to where it scared the hell out of me at that age. something about that scene on vanellope’s car where he’s glitching out and revealing himself all up in her face was just so spooky and fascinating to me, and his status as a twist villain still has a special place in my heart.
I totally agree!! As a kid I was so surprised and I thought the twist was amazing. For a marketed ‘kids’ movie, I think the turbo king twist was perfect
Me too! As a kid I still didn't like him for whatever reason from the beginning. But when it was revealed, I was like: "Woah, he is Turbo? That kinda makes sense! Yes! That's cool!"
It's still somewhat scary to me lol. Not in the same way it was when I was a kid, but it's just so intense and wild that it's almost alarming.
First time I watched it when I was younger I did not see King Candy being Turbo coming at all, the twist hit me right in the face (in the best way possible)!
It was like a chekovs gun
There is the theory about Turbo that makes him a nastier villain than we first saw. The theory is that King Candy was a proper character in the game "Sugar Rush," but when Turbo entered the game, he rewrote King Candy's code, taking over his body, thus "killing" the character. We all know that Vanellope was a princess, so... he had killed her father, and posed as him, while making everyone else in the game forget who she was. That's dark.
Wow. I wish Disney did this instead
@Ba Ba Well, it supposes the existence of another character in the game, which was basically murdered by Turbo. Then Turbo stripped off his skin and wore it. More or less..
"You are my father."
"No, I killed your father."
"What?"
Damn I'm scared
..d a n g. That's my headcanon now. Too badass of a theory to not.
“You wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses, would you?”
[smacks him with his glasses]
………indeed he would, yes.
"you hit a guy *with* glasses...well played,"
@@merninjamarshmallow The best line in a great movie.
"you hit a guy WITH glasses.... Well played"
That goes through my head every morning. I hit myself with my glasses alot. 😂
@@kifflom498 that line is worth more than your life
My boyfriend was all for all the puns in this movie. "You good sire? "Yeah, he just glazed me."
When i think of perfect villains, waternoose is always my go to. He’s realistic, he didn’t do anything just because he was angry or wanted revenger or anything, he believed he was doing what’s best and took it way too far. And boy was he not afraid of going too far. His story makes the movie one of my all tome favorites (plus many other parts, love this movie). His design, motivation, and dialogue were amazing and he was just such a good villain that the whole movie wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good without that twist. Other movies have twists for fun or shock, but his twist really made the movie amazing
Villains like him are the best. Villains that feel completely justified and right in their actions. Thanos is one, Chester Campbell is another. They feel like the heroes in their own stories.
That's why I love him too, you get fooled that Randall is the one the main antagonist when Waternoose is the one pulling the strings.
"I'LL KIDNAP A THOUSAND CHILDREN BEFORE I LET THIS COMPANY DIE"
Didn't see it coming at all myself.
I agree. And we really have to drive home how impressive it is that Disney managed to make a gray, bumpy skinned crab spider with five eyes look like a doting grandfather and kind boss who’s friendly with and understanding of his employees. Truly impressive
Imo the turbo reveal gave him SO much more motivation and backup on his uncaring behaviour suddenly.
He HAS caused the death of 2 games. He HAS lied to everyone just to KEEP what HE has stolen again!
The Turbo reveal gave him the solid ground to stand on as to why he was evil and why he risks everything to keep Vanelope away.
He was number one. He had the pride to poison him. The jealousy to drive him.
It solidified his reasoning and also provided setting that he could actually be defeated
That makes sense, thanks!
I will add just a little aside that there was a TINY reference to Vanellope's identity in the movie as well, which was when Ralph mentions that King Candy is into pink when he sees his castle and King Candy mentions it's salmon very heatedly before changing the subject.
The princess dress Vanellope wears is the same color later in the movie when she finally crosses the finish line.
A nod to all of this is early in the castle scene where King Candy becomes unglued over Ralph going turbo and possibly taking away all that he has done. With the verdict of having him leave immediately or get thrown into the dungeon.
Later with Ralph still there giving him the medal to not only sway him but get him to stop mucking about and leave. Which he does momentarily.
Another great motivator for turbo is that he is also regarded as the black sheep among video game characters to the point where his actions are used as a cautionary tale to deter others.
But instead of bettering themselves as a person, they lie, manipulate and scheme their way into a new life, still being the egomaniac he is.
This also contrasts with Ralph who is the cause for the space bug Armageddon but grows as a person and fixes their mistakes in the end.
Turbo is one of the best
I didn’t even notice just how many twist villains there are in Disney movies until now.
A lot of these are Pixar movies, not Disney
Chicken Little Pixar is owned by Disney. They are referred to as "Disney Pixar" movies
Alex Or Whatever - I only thought of the three in the thumbnail.
If anything, that goes to show how most of them fit very naturally to the point you wouldn't even think of them as a twist villain.
Ukuleila That’s true. It just rubbed me the wrong way for some reason but I understand
The fact that her name is “Evelyn Deavor” Is like naming a villain “Baddy McBadface”
Or a villain "Cruella DeVille." Oh wait...
Well there's also Victor von Doom for Roger Rabbit lol.
It’s only obvious if you see it written, which most people don’t
well now that i think about it that makes me stupid because when i watched it most people i was with told me her name was just evelyn
I’m shaking
You know, not only did Anna have less chemistry with Kristoff, they were missing something else as well! A PROPER DUET! Think about it. Hans and Anna have "Love is an Open Door" which is an absolute bop, and what do she and Kristoff get? People ad-libbing a song on the spot begging Anna to fuck this guy while the two smile at each other awkwardly. That and "Lost in the Woods" is all they have! And in a world where core, character-defining moments happen through song???? It just sort of communicates to the audience that, "oh yeah, you shouldn't marry a guy you just met. However, you should also leave yourself open to the possibility your first real relationship might not be your last." Like I always got the impression (before the second movie came out) that Anna and Kristoff would probably share a very happy five years together before mutually breaking up as it became obvious the two lacked the necessary communication skills, common interests, and ambition to really make it till Marriage, you know? Like even after they get married I'm not convinced they'll stay together forever or get divorced or what. All I know is that Kristoff kinda feels like....... settling. I mean seriously what do they have in common?
We don’t get enough of their connections and I’m sure they have stuff in common. Plus opposites attract
Yeah like Anna meets Hans at a party and they immediately hit it off meanwhile Anna finds this crusty ass dude isn’t eh middle of the woods who she almost immediately cannot relate to at all and is weirded out by him
The troll song was so bad and had absolutely no romantics
Opposites don’t attract half as well as people like to think
It would be cooler if Hans would try to turn Anna against Elsa. Like using the abuse tactics so we gradually see that he is the villan. Anna would be torn and would have to choose, in the end helping her sister and breaking the abusive cycle.
Anna and Kristoff were going to have a duet in frozen 2 but they deleted that scene
Ima get real deep but yeah so in Hand and Anna’s relationship it was CARRIED by its song and rhythmic flow other then there actually care and feelings towards eachother.
However with kristoff and Anna they had chemistry in my opinion as they went through tough times with eachother which in a way kinda bonded them together as the song didn’t have to carry them in the relationship it was much more realistic based.
( BTW IT WOULD STILL BE NICE FOR THEM TO HAVE A DUET BUT WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT JUST BCUZ THEY WERE AWKWARD AND DIDNT HAVE A MUSICAL PIECE TGTHR DOESNT ME THEY DIDNT HAVE CHEMISTY OR THEY WERENT A GOOD DISNEY COUPLE )
I actually really liked Doris (Bowler Hair). From my perspective he was always more of a Doofenshmirtz and was never meant to be taken seriously/was bound to fail. I find him hilarious and charming in his own way. I do agree tho that that hate part at the end kinda just came out of thin air but other than that the movie is great and I could (and have) rewatch it a million times and not yet bored.
Every time I watch that movie, I get to the end and just go "Oh, that's it? That was the epic climax? Well, alright then."
As a Mexican trust me those mariachi clothes are bulky.
They add layers to a man
Mr. Anderson - Catholic professional monster hunter
O n i o n
truuu tho
Facts
Facts
character: "hi, my name is mister evil mcevil evil face and I'm definately a good guy."
Protagonist: "yeah sure, you seem like a good person and I totally won't regret this"
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kabob 007 How did I guess it’d be the ProZD skit?
Well there is also the second muppet movie
Oh. Is that you Marik Ishtar?
“Your name is mister... bad guy?”
“Actually, it’s pronounced “badgey.” It’s French.”
“Oh, yeah, that makes sense.”
I actually really like classic evil villains sometimes. I’m a theatre kid so the drama of it all really speaks to me. I actually am not a huge fan of Disney’s whole “Villain Redemption” thing they’re starting to do, or at least I don’t like who they’re doing it with. With Maleficent I didn’t mind so much because we had no idea what her motives or reasonings were in the original Sleeping beauty. Cruella Devil on the other hand… her whole thing is black and white, there is no gray area. Plus, do we really wanna give more of a story to a lady to just wants to wear puppies? Why not think about Scar of Ursula, who already have supper interesting plots in their original movies that would be really interesting to explore, power greed family revenge, those are things I can get on board with… that was kind of a tangent lol
There's one extremely good "Villain redemption" Disney movie, before it was done to death (I agree with you on that): Kuzko. The vilain is the protagonist, and his redemption arc is brilliantly done in this friendship buddy movie! Love that movie, so fun.
Technically, he is also a twist vilain for, like, the first 50 seconds of the movie, until the "I'm sorry, you threw off the Emperor's groove" scene! XD
Still I think that the Cruella movie is great. I just view them as two separate canon verses
Ha! Black and white! I get it!
Bro I honestly LOOOOOVE King Candy and his whole deal, his reveal was just so good and everything about him and his actions suddenly made sense when you now know he was actually Turbo.
Everything from why he took over the game to why he wanted to imprison Penelope (both because of the whole 'she's the actual ruler' thing and the fact that she's glitching and that could get the game unplugged erasing all his work) to the whole scene in the coding area.
He's absolutely great I will never think different.
Her name’s Vanellope, not Penelope.
The fact the nod to he actor in Mary Poppins.
Yeah
The thing about twist villian is the fact we don’t time for villain songs
This.
I can't believe I have to give this movie the W here, buut
Hoodwinked pulled if off
Hugh Jara it’s a great movie in writing and wit. The animation is the only thing ‘holding it back.’
Umm, Coco?
you dare have the audacity REMEMBER ME
With Coco, I actually got so caught up with the storyline and colorful settings that I forgot there was supposed to be a villain. For once, I had no suspicion of the actual villain
Yeah, at first I thought it was going to be one of those movies without a villain. But boy, I was wrong.
i was to busy crying
It surprise me at the theater tbh
I had my on the guy I don't know his name the person friend which is cocos dad
Yeah, same
In Moana, I'd never considered Te Fiti/Te Kā to be the villian, much less a twist. The loss of her heart and subsequent rage never made me feel as if she was unjustified in her anger. Haven't watched that movie in a while, but I guess my only impressions of "evil" in the movie were more Moana VS obstacles. Moana's goal is to return the heart, while obstacles prevent her throughout her journey. Her father her entire life telling her the water is forbidden, expectations of the island as future chief, Maui... Interesting!
Coco’s entire plot is so brilliant to me In how seamless and intricate its parts are to keep the mystery and the 2 conflicting Problems Miguel is faced with as compelling as they are without undermining the actual heart of its characters and themes. nothing gets skimped or left wasted; Everything works so well hand in hand and while I wouldn’t consider Ernesto himself a brilliant villain like Frollo or the Joker, the sheer weight of the consequences of his actions is soul crushing and it elevates his overall character far over other Pixar/Disney villains. It’s the kinda thing that never gets tiring or forgettable even when you rewatch the movie and as time goes on which is really hard to do with mystery films but Pixar had done it, they made that special Jack in the box that fits right back into your head before popping out again with devastating but beautiful emotion.
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Elsa: is supposed to be villain
Disney: nah Elsa sing epic song hans is now the villain HAHA
*I know right!* I actually think it would be better for Frozen if it went like it would be originally since Hans sounds suspicious as he's nice to Anna, but actually gets along with her. Elsa has such cool ice powers, which would make her a difficult opponent against Arendelle's soldiers.
Adara N Yup! I agree
Also, are those Madoka Magica playlists in your channel? A person of culture I see~
@@KazuhaEien OMG SOMEONE KNOWS THE ANIME!! I have met an equal! Eeee! Yeah, those are from Madoka Magica! :D
@@sugar9970 sounds like mad magic is going on lol
Disney: Ha ha, Elsa go sing song
Twist villains be like: And worst of all, he could be any one of us. He could be in this very room! He could be you! He could be me! He could even be...
*Right behind you*
DUN
DUN
DUN
DUN
DUNDUNDUNDUNDUN
I sense the Dark Side in you! Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate... leads to suffering.
i was not expecting a tf2 comment omg XD
*SHOOTS THE SPY*
What? It was obvious! He was the twist villain! Watch he'll become evil anytime now...
The formula that I like, is the Studio Ghibli formula approach to villains. In their movies, villains aren't shown to be evil by nature, and instead are shown to be performing evil due to circumstance and the times. They show that villains are just as human as the audience and are shaped by the environment around them. Some Studio Ghibli movies, like Howl's Moving Castle, Princess Mononoke, and Spirited Away even show protagonists and antagonists reconciling when both learn to overcome their trials of being affected by the times.
Love that the top 5 are all Pixar. I know Disney technically owns it, but there’s just something special about Pixar movies and they always knock it out of the park from a storytelling perspective
*"They hated me..."*
*"HEY GOOB WANNA COME OVER MY HOUSE TODAY"*
*"NICE BINDER GOOB"*
😂😂😂
Man Meet The Robinsons deserves more recognition I love that movie so much
Yeah it does deserve more attention
Ikr! Its the best
that was really overdramatic and confusing. the movie itself was good but a hat taking over the world because one kid over reacted? i agree with celly thats just ridicuolous
Honestly, that scene was a mood.
Sometimes, you're so caught up in your own misery that you can't tell when someone being nice is genuine or not.
I can't be the only one that thinks Bowler Hat Guy both looks and acts like a Doofenschmirtz wannabe, tragic backstories and everything.
Literally all these twist movies tricked me. I’m just stupid lol.
Same
Yeah same here
Me fourth
Stupid together strong
@@yesiplayviola.dealwithit.7427 ape together stromg
I remember audibly gasping during the Hans reveal. Not only because he seemed like such a milk-toast good guy, but even the voice actor tended to play protagonists and "good guy" roles. They literally bamboozled us from the very beginning 😭😭
He will always be at the top of my list because of the audible shock that happened to me and others in the movie theatre.
Ernesto de la Cruz is, to me, one of the greatest twist villains of all time. I had no idea until the reveal, while for other things, I could usually guess. And rewatching the film gives so many damn hints to the fact that I was like "Wow, they actually planned this really well." while Hans was just making a villain for no reason(theres no fucking way that smile he gave Anna after she left him the first time was a scheming villain smile, lol.)
My theory is that he just snapped after he realized he could become king if Anna and Elsa were dead, watch his face in the scene where another man is worried and telling Hans how if Anna and Elsa die then Hans is first in line
There is one way to identify a villain immediately:
- If their song is a bop to listen to over and over again
True
"Mother Knows Best" and "Friends on the Other Side" are two of the best Disney songs imo.
“Over and over again!”
Cofefe Naomh Be prepared
@@cofefenaomh hell yeah😂
The biggest twist villain is cell doing a second part
Gasp
Dear god..
SO EVIL
Dragon Ball Z?
You arse, I saw this comment and got red misled, you just pulled a twist on a twist on me
I think the Turbo reveal wasn't so much about the _who_ as it was the _why._ It provides a key piece of the puzzle as to why King Candy seems to be going to such great lengths to eliminate Vanellope from Sugar Rush: it's because he's actually Turbo, a psychopathic narcissist obsessed with always being the center of attention, no matter how much damage his quest for adoration causes. The later reveal that Vanellope is the true ruler of Sugar Rush completes the puzzle by explaining why it was specifically her that Turbo was targeting.
The biggest twist of all, for me, was how shockingly bad Wreck it Ralph 2 was compared to the first movie. When people say it's basically The Emoji Movie, but slightly less terrible, they're really not far off the mark.
The top two have one thing in common that the others lack: Consistency. Maybe not of their behavior, but certainly of their motivation.
Waternoose is the best because he undergoes NO CHARACTER TRANSFORMATION during the reveal. His motivation is what he clearly stated right from the beginning, and best of all, he is REMORSEFUL for his villainous actions.
Stinky Pete, meanwhile, undergoes a BEHAVIORAL transformation, but not necessarily a character transformation. He goes from being calm and pragmatic to angry and unyielding. Which is a completely believable transition.
Where Disney and present-day Pixar falter is in trying to have their villains be surprise villains AND classic villains. Which is to say that, when they are outed as the villain, they suddenly start behaving in completely different ways.
Hans would have been on level with Waternoose if, at that moment in the plot, he let out a heavy sigh and said "I really hoped it wouldn't come to this..."
As would Bellwether if she'd chased after Judy pleading her case a-la "Judy, please! Let me explain! I know this looks bad... And yeah, it's bad. But this isn't about power or prejudice -- it's about trying to deal with a terrible situation in the least terrible way possible!"
But nope, as soon as they're outed, they start talking just like Scar, Jafar, Maleficent, and all those other bad guys that you knew were bad right from the start.
That's why they suck. They become completely different characters, and it's never believable.
I've come to see that as an ongoing failure on Disney's part to trust their audiences to be able to handle uncomfortable human evil stemning from understandable, if not sympathetic reasons for being the way they are, and thus rendering it tragic should they befall to an ending their villains more often than not do.
The film that kind of crystallized this idea for me was Maleficent. I went into it expecting some kind of deconstruction or origin story, that would explore the villain of the Sleeping Beauty as a flawed human being, who'd have taken enough of wrong choises in life to eventually lead her down the path of becoming the mistress of all evil. The actual film was a rude awakening as to how monumental order of credit too much I was giving to Disney by expecting anything close to that. Apparently them applying any sympathetic qualities onto Maleficent just had to come in tandem with making her character into someone completely unrecognizable from the dark fairy of the original animated film and for good measure they also decided to remove any potential moral nuance from the new film's conflict by simply moving the goalpost of irredeemable moustache curling evil from Maleficent onto king Stefan, who's new reimagined version ended up as a one-dimensional raving madman, seemingly just so we wouldn't have to feel bad at the pospect of him inevitably getting the usual Disney-villain treatment with gravity by the end.
Waternoose is such a good twist villain, that I always forget he's the villain.
Not to mention Waternoose was willing to make Randall, Mike, and Sulley mainly the latter two be the scapegoats for the conspiracy on kidnapping Boo when he hired the CDA just so he can continue doing his illegal activities hidden while at the same time leaving no witnesses. Eventually, Mike, Sulley and Boo outsmarted him when they trick him into the simulation room and Mike replays Waternoose's: _"I'll kidnap a thousand Children before I let this Company die!!"_ causing him to get arrested instead.
Other than that, most people ONLY remember Waternoose for his plot twist and his quote that got him arrested, but Randall seems to be the Pixar villain everyone will associate as the villain of the film, instead of Waternoose.
LIZZIE!!!
I had forgot it up until she mentioned it, even when she showed him I was still doubting it
Me too.
Not much of a fan of Waternoose. I love Randall more.
I do agree that Waternoose is a good twist villain though. Never knew he was truly evil.
I think Hans's sideburns gave away he was a villain 😂
Lol same
It was the lack of a bad guy and the pairing of Kristoff with Anna that made it clear they were gonna need a plot device to get rid of Hans. Bc there was no solid villain as the movie moved towards the end, it was getting more & more obvious what Hans role was.
YourMajesty143 excuse me sir, but does duke of Weaseltown sound familiar?. He was the villain, there was no need for a twist.
15:53
Ok but I've actually heard an explanation on why Hans gets a bad reputation in the villains book, but can make sense
I saw it on tik tok I do not remember who talked about it but I'll sum up what I can remember:
Hans has ways wanted to have a place to rule
And he actually intended on marrying Elsa in the first place
But he met Anna first
That smile was genuine at first
And as he revealed in Love is An Open Door, he was tired of being shut out just like Anna
But he ask to marry Anna because he wants to get close to Elsa, who is becoming queen
And he was going to settle for prince, until Elsa refused to give them her blessing
This is where his arc starts
He begins the subtle manipulation on Anna so she begins to think highly of him and not her sister
But the act that really pushed him to the edge was Anna leaving Arendell in his charge
He realized how much power he could have
So his new plan was to kill both sisters tp keep it
But he only kept Elsa alive when he left to appeal to "Anna's wishes" to prove that he cares for her to the audience and the guards
Sure, they could've tried a little harder on the twist, but I feel this explanation worked out for me
wow dude, literally I have the polar opposite opinion on goob, he is my #1 twist villain because in a movie primarily about comedy i could literally never imagine a better motivation for a villain than "i was so pathetic at baseball as a kid that i decided to dedicate my entire life to hating my super successful roomate" and i find him absolutely hilarious. I can see where you're coming from though, mostly because the hat does tend to suck the fun out of the movie for a while, but i usually think of them seperately. And man, when goob leaves at the end of the movie without a word you can just feel that he's finally going to reflect on everything and its a strangely powerful moment coming from the character.
What really annoys me about Hans is that Disney acts like he’s the most evil Disney villain ever
cough cough Frollo
They wanted him to come off as a douchebag after he was revealed so the viewers would hate him more
@@tasha1955I agree, frollo is hands down the most evil disney/movie villain of all time, the song hellfire explains it all.
@@johntimothyvalenzuela8146 I agree as well.
@@tasha1955 What about Bill Cipher and Horned King? I know they aren't realistic villains like Frollo, but they definitely are more evil since all they desire is chaos and destruction. In any case all 3 of these villains make Hans look like a wimp
PLOT TWIST: THE TWIST VILLAIN IS ACTUALLY THE HERO AND EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE IS TRYING TO KILL THEM!
Honestly a movie about this kind of twist would be awesome!
Oh so like the twist from that one indie game Braid?
This kind of reminds me of Borderlands
Mega mind? Kinda?
You mean the first season of westworld?
I think it was hard to see King Candy to be the main villain, but it was impossible to see Mayor Bellwether being the main villain. Bellwether is probably the most surprising twist. And Ernesto being a very close second surprising twist.
And the twist of Te Ka being Te Fiti was surprising as well!
Personally, I saw the Big Hero 6 twist coming a mile away for 2 simple reasons: We already had a mentor figure in the form of Tadashi, so having a second one in Callaghan made no sense plot-wise. The second reason is how the story seemed to be going out of its way to make the business man as evil and underhanded as possible. The fact that the movie wanted to reminded me every 5 minutes that he was a less than honorable business man made me suspicious; the writers (at least for me) made their misdirection way too obvious.
Edit: Yes we should bring back the theatrical villains. They don't need to be in every single movie, but if I can get one good villain song a year I'd be thrilled.
the twist was strange but it was the first ever movie little me ever saw in a theater so its got a special place in my heart
Man I can’t believe that waluigis hat became the twist villain in meet the robinsons
Nathan Lol
The villain being Waluigi's hat would make a killer Super Mario game
*Dick Dastardly
@@vadifadoms Like a reverse Super Mario Odyssey? Awesome!
waluigi stole cappy and made cappy turn into a bowler hat
"that I think gets a little too much flack."
*Schaffrillas:* THAT WAS YOUR MISCALCULATION!
man, don't know if these two get on with each other but i'd love to see a collaboration.
Ah, a person of culture as well, I see.
XD
I also WATCH schaffrillas. good guy. I'll keep an eye on him.....
That was his steak!
You know what I was thinking was going to happen in Incredibles 2? That Evenlyn's brother, Winston, I think, was going to be the villain. He was SO much IN LOVE with the concept of being a hero, that I thought it was going to eventually take over his life and he became obsessed with it. Going so far as to keeping the Incredibles family captive and being a villain just so that he can relive the days of heroes being apart of society. And that same society still arguing over whether if the world needs them again because since they were banned, crime was running amuck and people had nearly lost control of law and order (Gotham. Okay not to that extent but yeah...). So thus leading to the family being on different sides of the argument - do they as supers obey the law because you set a good example and want to be a good citizen or do you break it because the justice system is failing and is being unfair? But instead we got wash, rinse, repeat, "twist villain" because Disney likes to insult our intelligence. But hey, the concept of Screenslaver was cool, that little girl holding the sign was creepy.
I half-wish Screenslaver was his own villain and the main villain, my only gripe with that idea would be the movie turning into an anti-tech preach fest
He was actually originally going to be the main villain of the film, you can find concept art of it online!
@@tinybubble330 He would’ve made such a great twist villain.
I thought so too, and I'm kinda surprised not many others had the same train of thought!?!?
Yeah, like, a young hero (or Winston) so desperately wants to relive(or just to see it at all) the superhero days that they cause more destruction so that the government sees that they need supers again
I think many issues with Frozen were fixed in the musical (RIP). Kristoff and Anna met before the journey up the mountain, and then had more time to build a really sweet, awkward relationship. Hans' motivations are also way more obvious, but still vague enough for his betrayal to be realistic. I've only seen it a couple times, but enough to know that the musical was a spectacular show and was robbed.
The point of “bowler hat guy” was to show how small actions have big affects. And i cried watching him as a villain.
The same went to Professor Callaghan, Bellwether, Buddy Pine (Syndrome) and Evelyn Deavor. That showed how Lewis, Alistair Krei, Lionheart and Mr Incredible were unintentionally jerkasses.
Same! I was so happy when they wanted to adopt him! 😭
Goob wasn't even the villain in the end. Doris was the real villain.
@@SigfriedBigcheeseVanMemelordII Not to mention DOR-15 (Doris) being the actual Twist villain of the film that a few people didn't saw coming.
I honestly would've preferred if Bowler Hat Guy being an Adult version of Goob would be the only plot twist in the film instead of adding another plot twist (DOR-15).
Mood
So fun fact, when Frozen came out I was dating a guy named Haans and we would joke about how he was a Disney villain. Then he lied, cheated, and emotionally manipulated, making him actually the twist villain. That’s probably the only funny thing to come out of that, it was very toxic.
He just doesn't know when jokes goes to far
Well, hope you find someone else better! 💙
...well that escalated quickly
Tayonna Elca Hodges was gonna say “Phineas and ferb fans” but Dr Doofenshmirtz first name is Heinz not Hans
@@Tay-rm6db uhhhhh someone germanic????
although evelyn deavor as a twist villain was lackluster, the character design (wide eyed innocence versus narrow skepticism, gradually outfit changes to more black and white) and the visual motifs (being shown in lights versus in shadows) are both very neat notes that i hadn’t noticed when watching! maybe not so good for a *twist* villain, but pretty cool nonetheless!
One other thing that makes King Candy’s talk with Ralph seem believable is that, it’s partially true. The part about Venelopie’s glitching making players want to pull the game seems plausible, and Venelopie not being able to leave Sugar Rush because of her glitch status is 100% true. Just more a reason why I love King Candy as a villain.
I think Syndrom is an interesting point because he's not so much a twist to the audience, but he is a serious twist for Mr Incredible himself.
So dramatic irony but in a weird way
Well, the point is that twist villains work on protagonist who found out the person who used to be good back then turned into a monster now, but not the audience as the villain knows what to do while the hero wasn't looking or never realized. Imagine that a person who happened to be your friend turned into an enemy you have fought. Maybe the cause of being the villain is the effect that come from the accidents, natural causes, or even the hero who is to blame.
Probably how Evelyn's brother felt in Incredibles 2 (What was his name, Winston? I forget)
@@seandabest4329 Winston Deavor
22:44 Mariachi outfits exaggerate masculine characteristics, such as overdeveloped shoulders and chest. You need the cultural understanding to catch it, so the man in the photo's "stockiness" is more in-joke than mislead.
I think the reveal that King Candy was Turbo was exceptional. They introduced the character of Turbo as seemingly a throwaway character only used as a reason why it was wrong to game jump. This made it so there was no way it could've been seen coming because Turbo isn't even really a character yet, just a plot device. The thing is, it makes perfect sense with the character of King Candy and flows so well. It's also revealed in such a chilling way with the glitching in between Turbo and King Candy that it's also an incredibly well-animated sequence.
Nice analysis and I agree! I knew King Candy had bad intentions, but him being Turbo didn’t cross my mind. I thought him glitching was terrifying at first, but I really liked the detail and thought put it!
And then when he fused with the Cybug.
“I would thank you, but I think I’m just going to kill you.”
“Let’s watch her DIE together, shall we?!”
i really like the glitching too. Because throughout the movie, he was getting everyone to hate on Penelope because "she was a glitch" when in reality, he was really the glitch (who glitched her out in the first place)
I think she was referring to that at 4:05 . No one expected turbo, and it was just disguised as an old story, when it turns completely relevant
I was youre 469th like, nice. And also that was totally what i thought too! This villain was so perfectly put together and when it was revealed that King Candy was Turbo it somehow made total sense!
11:50 he is also inspired in a... "character", of the original fable. A magic mirror that will change it's personality to reflect on who is interacting with him. All the way up to his twist reveal, he switches personalities according to who he is interacting with, he is goof with goof characters, assertive against that prussian dwarf, he seen to share the pain of the downthrodden when the ice starts injring the population... and then you throw all that outside the window when he goes "nah, you can just die". I think a better reveal would be for him to give the kiss, but it doesn't work, because none of his emotions are real, they are just a mockery of whoever he is interacting with... in the original fable, the mirror was actually broken, but a fragment of it falls on the villain's eye, which makes he behave like that without even noticing what he is trully doing, which could also be a shocking reveal for himself, to realize he is not what he thinks he is
I do love the “Hans is the mirror” interpretation the best for his character actually. The best part is, he starts to reveal who he really is when looking out the window. He reflects who he is looking at, and on the window he is looking at the reflection of himself. He also finally takes his gloves off, symbolically dropping the “mask” he had been putting on.
Someone once said that maybe the trolls put a curse on Hans after their whole song ‘Fixer-upper’, because he seemed pretty alright before that song, and that's not him doing that, he just can't stop himself.
Bowler hat guy is a masterpiece of a character, him being goob and holding that grudge his whole life is such a great part of the story and it takes a true movie lover to understand him.
I personally liked gabby gabby’s character, she wasn’t exactly a “villain” to me but the fact that she just wanted to fix her voice box so she could get the attention of harmony was sort of heartwarming
She is kinda like ghost from AntMan 2
shes selfish
@@JazzStation95 Plus she was willing to give Woody the voice box back when she got rejected and wants to redeem herself (unlike Lotso).
What's actually creepy in that movie are her, umm... well.... are they henchmen? sidekicks? I don't exactly know what to call them.
Steven Martin her dummy’s
They literally named a character Evil Endeavor and expected no one to figure it out
Wow... so Endeavor did become evil after all.... no wonder he abused Shoto and the brother that is most likely Dabi.....
(BTW I do know that Endeavor was a word before MHA)
@@KazuhaEien I thought the same thing loo
I don't think they intended her to be a surprise, much like the first incredibles
I actually never noticed it when i watched it
I thought the brother was going to be the villain, so I guess it worked.
Coco was such a good movie, it was beautiful, the story was amazing, the characters were spectacular, and the ending was the perfect bittersweet way to wrap up the the entire movie and I loved it. Also all the extended family reminded me of my Hispanic side of the family especially grandma Coco, overall I think the writers did well to capture the energy of the household
Goob from Meet the Robinsons is literally Dr Doofenshmirtz.
doctor doofenshmirtz was much better and more developed tbh
@@squawkietalkie56 i don't know, i thought Goob was pretty funny. I don't think he's a villain that should be taken seriously in terms of character, but more of a antagonist who is fun to watch
Ohhh he is, life changed.
*HAHA!!! Perry the Platypus!!! You have fallen into my trap!!! Now you will witness the firing of my...*
*TURN-MYSELF-INTO-A-DEPRESSED-EMO-FROM-THE-OVER-EXAGERATED-YET-VERY-BEAUTIFUL-DISNEY-FUTURE-ANATOR...!!!!!*
But edgy and with a hat
Fun fact:
The reason that Hans's actions are so misleading is that originally, he wasn't supposed to be the villain. Elsa was supposed to be that. But then the writers decided that the song "Let it go" was too empowering for a villain, so they turned her into one of the good guys, and, not wanting to give up on a bad guy completely, they made Hans the villain instead. This decision was made only a few months before they finished creating the movie and since they didn't want to start all over again, they just used some of the old footage instead of creating new ones. Hence, the many plot holes in that twist.
And that was one of the dumbest creative choices Disney has ever made. It's so baffling how it managed to become so damn successful and popular worldwide despite it's many, many severe problems that ultimately prevent it from being one of Disney's best animated films of all time. Instead, it ended up becoming Disney worst and most overrated animated film of all time along with it's sequel. It really should've flopped had everyone known better, if you ask me.
@@1992disney Since most Disney viewers are children, I doubt they'll realized most of the errors in the movie.
1992disney the only reason why frozen is popular is because one of their characters has ice powers and a catchy song to go with the character if u ask me.
@@misschocoholic2126 Disney movies aren't just for kids, you know. Walt himself said so. I'm an adult who loves Disney too. But Disney movies like Frozen & Frozen 2 only appeal towards kids and not smart adults like me as well. I mean, the parents are the ones who spend their money to take their kids to see crappy and style-over-substance animated movies like Frozen & Frozen 2. And Disney always judges a movie's actual quality and worth by how much money it made at the box-office and not by it's audience reception, which is just plain stupid, ignorant, and biased. Profit is the only thing Disney really cares about now.
@@maisondecait Well that's part of the reason. Others include being woke and "progressive" with feminist and misandrist propaganda, being self-aware by mocking the Disney Princess formula just for being "sexist", having painfully-modernized music, lyrics, dialogue, and humor, the many "firsts" such as true love is family and not just romance and the main focus between sisters, and so much more.
When you started talking about the chemistry between Hans and Anna I instantly began imagining multiple different ways Frozen could have gone
I really like Hans is a twist villain because I can relate to having a someone who seems handsome and charming and who's completely manipulative as a boyfriend.I have felt Anna's betral.
King Candy wasn’t the best villain twist in my opinion, but when he turned out to be Turbo....
Mind blown.
He's an awesome villain cuz he had TWO twists: being a villain and being Turbo.
It’s ashamed that the sequel doesn’t even mention him at all nor the concept of going turbo. I mean the fact that Vanellope when decided to ditch her own game or doing something that causes the game to get plugged off like interfering with the gamer’s controllers just for her own selfish desire and is never called out once for going turbo
@@xanderg.1070 IKR? And what's more infuriating is her excuse that "nobody will notice she's gone because there's plenty of other racers." B*tch, please! She's the main character of her game! Everyone will eventually notice she's gone, and the game will get unplugged anyway, making the entire trip to the internet, the entire plot, and the ENTIRE MOVIE, completely null, void and a pointless waste of time!
@@cintronproductions9430 FINALLY someone points this out! Even if they don't think the game is broken, she's easily the most popular part of the game. Heck, I'd argue that she's borderline the ONLY reason people still play the game. I mean, at the time of RBTI, it's canonically been in the arcade for 21 years! And eventually (by which I mean "immediately") people will stop playing the game, leading it to be unplugged.
Oh, and don't think there wouldn't be any other way to combat Vanellope's boredom. Ralph could easily build her more shortcuts, heck, he could probably build entire new tracks with enough time. Not in broad daylight, though - after hours, when the arcade is CLOSED and there's no one PLAYING. During open hours, she'll race with the others. She doesn't like it? Guess what, honey! You made a willing commitment as the president of this place - get off your ass and commit to it! Then as soon as the arcade closes, race on brand new tracks to your heart's content. Just as long as you don't *deliberately drive against the person playing the game* then you should be fine.
Whew, that was a long one. Rant over.
@@applebee28 OMG, you are so right. So, so right. And here's yet another crappy thing I noticed. Ok, so in the first movie they make a big deal about how Ralph is an integral part of the game despite his status, and without him, the game is in danger of being unplugged. Here? Nah, Felix can just "cover for Ralph" so that Ralph can go to the Internet. What!? They don't even explain how he covers for Ralph, and if he can cover for Ralph, why wasn't that done in the first one? It feels like they just pulled that convenience out of their ass just to allow the plot to advance. 🤦♂️
I just realized King Candy's "multiple phases" is similar to actual videogame final bosses having multiple phases. If that was intentional writing then that's honestly amazing.
King Candy: This isn't even my final form!
Very interesting! I never thought of that!
But what if they made a King Candy boss fight?
I guess there would be no need since he literally said “welcome to the boss level” and he did have some fighting moves as a candy bug so... all Disney would have to do is make a video game adaptation... to a movie about video games.
Cant wait for the kingdom hearts 4 world with him as the boss fight lol
Yeah and he was always a villan the twist was that he was turbo! It’s why I loved wreck it Ralph
Te-Ka also works as a reverse twist villain when you know that most Polynesian islands were formed by volcanos and the thing about volcanos forming land is that after the lava has time to cool into rock and break down, the land itself becomes *extremely* fertile which allows it to be the lush green beauty we associate with the islands
The flow from clips 7:03 to 7:05 was beautiful.
Imagine if the Cabbage Guy in Avatar: TLA was secretly the Firelord the whole time
That’s basically what half those villains are
Dude, that actually would have been pretty epic, not gonna lie! 😂
The man was just trying to sell cabbages, give him a break, and his cabbages were destroyed countless occasions like his will to live
Cabbagelord has had enough. Death to benders, glory to cabbages!
The cabbage bender will rise and triumph over all!
He was the cabbage bender, more powerful than lord ozai
"And for Disney's still... only time travel film?"
*Sad Cinderella III noises*
*screeches*
:(
Theres an cinderella 3?!?!?!
@@jokesarefunny4237 Yes, and it's way better than it has any right to be.
@@jokesarefunny4237 bruh I didn’t know there was a 2
There actually was a theory about Hans shortly after Frozen's release. The movie was supposedly an adaptation of Hans Christian Anderson's story Snow Queen, before the writing of Let It Go. Some people thought that Hans was the human version of the mirror from the older story. This also explained his constant character changes whenever he interacted with other characters, before him talking his gloves off in the betrayal scene and revealing his true colours.
I just thought this was an interesting theory lol
There is actually a fan theory that Hans wasn't a villain to begin with. At the start of the movie, he seems like a charming and kindhearted person. But he doesn't do anything villainous until AFTER Anna and Kristoff are done with their visit from the trolls. They're "Love Trolls." And basically forced Anna to be with Kristoff. So they probably (most definitely) put a curse on Hans, and turned him into something that wasn't initial. And like you said... Hans had a better interaction with Anna then Kristoff ever did. So there's that, too.
Callaghan may not be a great villain, but he does look very sick with his trench-coat and micro-bots
Agree. The only reason I like him is because of his cool design and how he uses the micro-bots.
ikr we should probably take him to the doctor
I think with Callaghan they should’ve made him more interesting or sinister early on so his personality and backstory would be as good as his look and tech. Or they could’ve foreshadowed/replaced Callaghan with Tadashi as a villain being controlled with the microbots to still connect to Hiro
I liked him until he took the mask off. His design is awesome just like the rest of the movie. I have yet to see a fictional city as visually interesting as San Fransokyo.
They aren't his micro-bots
My big brother had a point when he called Evelyn's motives "weak." He said "it's like blowing up a grocery store for not selling cheese because the cheese factory wouldn't make cheese." Superheroes weren't there because the government banned them.
That's why Nando v movies motivation made more, she didn't hate heroes , she hated tv because it caused her father death
also there were very low chances of the superheroes being legal again, it was much easier framing them from the beginning than what Evelyn tried to do
@2A11 Sabreen Heinz's motives makes more sense tbh
It’s not that she hated supers for not being there, it’s that she hated them for convincing people like her parents to rely on them, which is what led to their death because her dad thought he could contact the super to save them instead of hiding and calling the police. They made people complacent, which is the crux of the Screenslaver’s monologue playing while Elastigirl was tracking him down. So she felt wounded by people’s reliance on supers and didn’t want them to return. And honestly, she may have had SOME right points. People really did get complacent, and life moved on fine without supers, save for Syndrome’s supervillainous weaponry.
Her plan was fucking stupid though.
Yes
I never minded the 180 personallity twist, in fact, I loved it. So much so i use it in my own stories and characters (I roleplay online with friends), and it works really well. To me, it showed "This character is done with wearing the carefully crafted mask they've built and no loger care if they're seen as they really are, a monster". It could either show desparation to acheve their goal, underestimating their opponent (the protagonists), or a strategic reveal. I've seen some crazy things and been friends with some crazy people, so believe me, the 180 shift is something that can happen with a person *if they're given a reason*. Think of Mother Gothel; she had a total personallity flip but it was because being nice wasnt working anymore. She still had the same goal and she was still the same person, but we were seeing a different side of them.
I would love traditional villains to return because I just want to hear more villain songs because I love them but if Disney is sticking with the moral villain route then I’d be okay with it as long as some films throw in a villain here and there
Disney: Let's make a sneak villain!
Also Disney: Let's call them... "Ivan Tocommitmurder"
I literally laughed out loud 😂
This had no right to be this funny
And Ivan a toilet made out of solid gold, but it's just not in the cards now, is it?
+1 Movie points to you if you get that reference.
Just made my day XD XD
Write that down, write that down!
Zootopia spoilers
I actually found the reveal that those blue flowers made the predators wild a better twist than the twist villain .
Same
@Thomas Light
To be fair, it is a key story item behind the mystery of the attacks: intentional distribution of a psychotic-inducing substance used as means of controlling political narrative.
Zootopia makes for a good setting of a mystery. Beastars is a whole different genre sharing similar themes.
Thomas Light But that was the point, there wasn’t a primal urge, there wasn’t this quintessential thing that made x group more dangerous than the other, it only looked like it was from external bias
Same.
Yeah I agree but I feel like they did that to make it like wolf in sheep’s clothing and show that people aren’t always who they seem like they are
great vid! about what you said about lotso’s shift from his trauma to controlling the daycare; maybe he wanted to keep the other toys down so no one could replace him as a favorite toy again
The heightened chemistry between Hans and Anna was also a manipulation tactic where Hans just seemed to be absolutely in agreement with all of Anna's quirks. IRL, strong chemistry is a good jumping-off point for a solid relationship but that it works better if it builds up over time than if it appears to happen too soon, like with Hans and Anna. It falls in line with the marrying someone you just met trope. Notice that forced chemistry is also a tactic used by dodgy salespersons, scammers, and people who are eager to use others as cash cows, rebound partners, or hookups.
Good point about using external circumstances to force characters together, though.
I personally found Hans’ “twist” extremely predictable. Not only was Disney on a surprise villain kick, but it was obvious that Anna was going to end up with Kristoff: the typical boy and girl go on a journey together and fall in love formula. That meant that Hans had to go, and what’s the easiest way to go about that? Make him the bad guy. I thought King Candy being Turbo, when we already thought he was awful enough as it was, was brilliant.
the trolls would be better twist vellans
Still was a kick in the nards though.
With Hans I mean.
I think Frozen would have been way better if Hans wasn't a villain and the "true love" twist remained the same but true love doesn't blossom in a day. Like Hans is sincere but the kiss doesn't work because they like each other but aren't in love.
@@Moggetslittlesister Would've made better sense if the Duke guy was the villan. I mean, he's right there.
Shout out to Mother Gothel for being a twist villain to the protagonist but not the audience. You get the best of both worlds, both the dramatic reveal and the fun villain song
And she's the villain with such an ominous villain song
ahh yes dramatic irony, Shakespeare would be proud
Mother Gothel was the last traditional villain Disney made before getting obssesed with twist villains. Thankfully, they have gotten over twist villains now, which means they can finally go back to the traditional villains, and also those good old villain songs, those are awesome
I always love appreciating Mother Gothel as a villain. It’s nice to see Disney create a villain that isn’t a constant antagonist in the main character’s life because we can tell that there is some sort of connection and love in the relationship that Gothel had with Rapunzel. Yes we see Gothel as the villain because she stole Rapunzel as a baby for her hair, but we really only see the gravity of her true vain and villainous intentions exposed to Rapunzel as her manipulative affection towards her. Basically, the villain isn’t always the person behind a mask or someone with an evil scheme, they can be someone you love and care for, they can be your family. But you are not always the person/people who love you. With Rapunzel’s side of the story we see how damaging this toxic mother-daughter relationship is to her but this doesn’t always happen in fairy tales, it can happen in real life too and I love that Disney does that: (even toxic relationships can be what make the real villain). If any of that makes sense...
The only thing I don't like about Gothel is that she's awful at fake parenting. If she wanted to live as a young adult for the rest of her life, why couldn't she give Rapunzel a fake birthday and stuff so she wouldn't become too suspicious of the lanterns appearing every year? Why a large tower that's quite close to the kingdom, that she might get out of one day with a stranger?
That aside though, she's pretty good!
Gotta love "Ranbow Factory" as the transition melody. Very fitting for a villain list. :)
I honestly loved the king candy twist when I was little I was old enough to think that he was up to something but when he had that talk with Ralph about how if Penelope became a racer it would be bad for the her and everyone in the game in general it really convinced me and I was truthfully surprised when it was revealed he was the villain also I just thought he was entertaining to watch but that’s kinda my whole view of the movie but yeah that’s my little paragraph on king candy and what I thought of the twist when I first watched it
I miss when we had the obvious, theatrically evil villains who would deceive the hero, but not the audience. We all knew Jafar was evil, and it wasn't too hard to realize he was the old man helping Aladdin, but the _characters_ didn't know. So as the audience, we're thinking "Don't trust him , he's evil!" and the suspense comes from _knowing_ the characters are in danger. It's the old bomb under the table thing, as said by Alfred Hitchcock; If you just have a bomb explode, it isn't going to be very thrilling. But if you have a group of people sitting at a table, and tell the audience that a bomb under the table will explode in ten minutes, and the people in the film don't know it....That is far more suspenseful.
I recently rewatched Atlantis, and Rourke was a great villain because we knew pretty early on that he and the other mercenaries didn’t have *good* intentions, but it’s the lengths he’s willing to go to for money (kill off a civilization and probably sell a super power source to a corrupt leader for big $$$$) that made him so evil, and made the other mercenaries break away from him because they never signed on for killing.
So Milo knew that Rourke was only in it for the money, but by accepting his less-than-altruistic/adventurous intentions he was distracted from realizing just WHAT lengths he would go to for it, which makes his proper reveal effective.
like syndrome
That’s what’s called ‘dramatic irony.’
You would like Stephen King then
Or like emperor palpatine he decived the whole galaxy but not the audience
Disney needs to make a movie where the protagonist slowly becomes the villain, while the villain slowly becomes the protagonist.
Edit: since ive seen people in my replies say that i copied: i didnt, from what i remember, when i made this comment i didnt see the other comment that said something similar to mine, theres 7 billion people on earth, its common to think of the same idea and comment about said idea.
like megamind almost?
@Crystal Odiri Watch "The Nutcracker and the Four Realms"
@@HaakonHawk Fucking loved that twist and movie
The recent Star Wars trilogy would have been more engaging if Kylo Ren/Ben's redemption had run in counterpoint to Rey's, or the 'hero', lapse into the dark. Tehn they could have ended up, in the very end, saving each other. Hurra hurray.
Megamind
Vanellope being the real ruler of sugar rush actually does make sense because it gives Turbo a reason to do literally everything he did. If she wasn't the ruler of sugar rush, why did he replace her specifically? Why did he feel the need to delete her code and make her a glitch? He wouldn't have any reason to do so or forbid her to cross the finish line if she wasn't important. If she was an ordinary racer, then when she crosses the finish line and resets the game she isn't a glitch and everyone remembers her and... nothing happens. Maybe Turbo would look like Turbo again, but if that were the case he'd have no reason to create a liability like "if this one racer crosses the finish line I will lose all my power." Maybe it didn't have any hints or build up, but if you think about it, it's kinda necessary for King Candy to make any sense.
Also, I think King Candy is a great twist villain. Well, he isn't a twist villain... he's a villain with a twist. Turbo is the twist villain because surprise he's King Candy! He's pretty antagonistic the whole movie which gives him time to be a fun villain, but the twist is still great. They have seeds laid out that he's not really meant to be there, and isn't just a character like Taffyta. Like the fact that the castle is pink (which makes sense when we know who the real ruler is meant to be), the fact he can access the code and we see Vanellope's code, hinting at the fact he did something to it, and also Turbo's own story as told by Felix: he's a racer, who left his game to take over another racing game, and Sugar Rush is a racing game. His design also sticks out: an adult, specifically an old man, with a large nose, a different build from the others (thin legs, defined foot shape, large nose, a balloon shaped head), and no clear candy inspiration in his design. We dismiss this in our heads as "well, he's the ruler, his design should stick out" but thinking back, he doesn't fit in with the other racers, because he's from a different game. He wasn't able to change his build, only reskin himself. And I'll be honest, he had me on my first watch with what he told Ralph. The way he delivered it felt genuine, plus what he says makes perfect sense and he's right, she can't leave the game. Vanellope herself says so. If someone thought the game was broken, she would die with it. The only part of his story that isn't true is that if she were to cross the finish line, well she wouldn't be a glitch. But what he says makes it so you can't challenge him on his word because if he's right, the consequences are dire. If you test his theory and he isn't wrong, Vanellope has a good chance of being picked and then dying. He's smart that way, making it the safe option to take his word.
His whole plan is really good and it's likely he told the other racers something similar to what he told Ralph. If Vanellope makes it on the roster and gets chosen, players will think the games busted and make them all homeless. They hate her not just because she's a glitch and supposedly shouldn't exist, but because in their eyes she's willing to risk making all of them homeless for a chance to race. In their eyes, she's selfish and a threat. And because she's a glitch, they probably also see her as not a real person. This secured her as unable to race. He would have succeeded in everything if Ralph hadn't gone to Sugar Rush, or if he just hadn't noticed Vanellope on the side of the game. Or even if Ralph had gotten his medal and went home. His downfall was entirely from stuff he didn't expect to happen nor could control.
Moana did such a great job with the twist! It all makes sense in the movie, and I legit didn’t expect it when I first watched it! It also wasn’t a traditional twist villain, so that also helped.
King Candy: “This isn’t even my final twist.”
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GODDAMNIT THATS SUCH A CONVENIENT PUN
ItzJewel :3 nice
I'm really looking for Wrecking Ralph 3: revenge of C, where he will unlock the Golden form
I’m looking forward to Ralph’s true final form: Rick Astley. They dropped a hint at the end of the last movie, but nobody suspects that he’s really Rick Astley.
“Disney’s worst villain”
*goes straight to callaghan*
That was Disney's mistake
i can understand what he was doing, but he was doing it wrong
but hey he had good character design
Pizzanator 6000 boi (or gurl)!!!! You are correct
Pizzanator 6000 Haha I understood that reference
@@Pizzanator-gp2bb I see what you did there.
I will say that one of the main things that I liked about Bellwether in Zootopia was that she was essentially a foil for the protagonist Judy Hopps. Both have been belittled and underappreciated, but one responds with optimism, while the other gives in to cynical conspiracies. #WildeHoppsForever 😁
I literally knew the villain of incredibles 2 as soon as she was shown on screen. Like it feels very Disney thing to show this “new rookie who loves a main character” and then turns out to be actually the villain plotting revenge.
The original idea of Frozen where Anna had _already married Hans_ sounds way more exciting to me.
Where did you hear that from?
@@sugaryheaven4089 listen to the cut song "Life's too Short" there's a line in there where Elsa says to Anna, "You're a fool who married a stranger" also, in some original concept art, Anna can be seen wearing a wedding dress
Also how Elsa very early on was designed to be the villain snow queen
"For the sake of being a dick"
That line describes SOOO many villains in cinematic history lmao
*bad villains
the great villains are the villains that stand in contrast to the main character, and while the reason for why they became dicks is not as important as in what way they contrast the main characters goals.
It's still never really gonna sell a character if you dont have some form of reason, i can only think of few exceptions to this.
Like the demon from "welcome to demon school iruma-kun" but like, demons, the hole point for devils is they ment to be evil dicks. contrasting Iruma-kun Sigma chad levels, of pure niceness.
Stil even there i kinda find there to be som flaws with the consept of "pure evil"
And how do we even rank evil? max pain? physically or mentally?
If there is no reason for your evil doings, are you even trully doing evil?
the joke is maybe the best example of evil with no reason, as he is just pure chaos.
Yet then again even he has one simple theme: fun.
I supose he is the exeption, but the joker is always the exeption.
@@MouseGoat Totally agreed!I could name a lot more villains that have this characteristics,or even missunderstood ones who even get a redempion,making them an antagonist or anti-hero
Also u ever though of becoming a writer?
@@MouseGoat some villains being villains for no reason are fun though, usually they aren’t good ones but rarely they are.
That actually personifies the Joker. Except he does it on purpose. He takes that as his job.
True but sometimes even those villians who don't have a tragic backstory can still be amazing
Like Malificent or Cruella. They were iconic without any reason to do bad things. (I'm aware of the movies but I don't really want to discuss that lmao)
Thanks for pointing out Anna and Reindeer Boy have -5 chemistry, it drives me crazy lol. As for Hans, I feel a ton of his writing was bad/rushed because Jennifer Lee was projecting soooo hard when writing him, after they switched the villain from Elsa to Hans. He COULD have been really interesting and well-developed, but Jennifer Lee seemed too blind-sided and fueled with spite. She mentioned on Twitter Hans is based off of one of her hated ex-boyfriends, and I think she was trying too hard to "get even" with him via Hans that it bled through into bad writing even into the 2nd movie, where Hans really did NOT need any mention...but they kept bringing him up to make fun of him anyway for like, no reason lol.
That's because Jennifer Lee herself is such a toxic woke feminist with a victim mentality, which explains why the two Frozen movies have anti-male propaganda. That could also be the reason why one of the men that she dated, dumped her. She's already proven herself to be an incompetent writer and filmmaker. Do I even need to bring up the fact that she also wrote the screenplay for the woke box-office disaster that was 2018's A Wrinkle In Time?
10:17 I may just be going to in detail but I'm pretty sure her glasses were foreshadowing since they were blue.
Bellwether being the twist villain of Zootopia would be like if Isabelle from Animal Crossing was a violent killer.
Maybe the DOOM crossover makes more sense.
Isabelle IS a violent killer. In Smash, at least. That fishing rod has claimed the lives of many.
I mean, it would certainly add more character to her, she's just so boring otherwise.
@@Duskool You talking about Isabelle or Bellwether?
Fun Fact about Isabelle: She was a pretty wild teenager, beeing pretty much a rebel and also acting really violently when confronted to the point that there's a term in new leaf that is "Isabelle is going isabellelistic" that some rude villagers can sometimes bring up when telling a story about how the misbehave and Isabelle find out, this is confirm with some conversations with his brother and Tom Nook.
You sir have gotten two comments to the top in the span of minutes. Absolute legend
i could be entirely wrong, but personally i feel like the hans twist was more of a last minute decision once they decided to make elsa good, considering someone needed to fill the villain role
Jana Welch they were gonna originally make Elsa the villain. If you search up “first drafts of Elsa”, you can see how they first drew her to look like a villain
No, i believe he even has an official “birthday” or something in the summer of 2011 or 2012 - a date when they came up with this character and/or finally decided to put him in the movie. He was always a villain as a replacement to Elsa. But him being a twist villain could have been a last minute decision.
@@bananabro1010 that early draft was just the legend of the snow queen, an entirely more interesting story then frozen turned into
at least there's still that one old russian version to enjoy for a snow queen movie
They MUST have done the scene where he meets Anna before making him the villain. That look was NOT a "I'm gonna manipulate you into marrying me and kill your sister" look.
Jana Welch i agree with you dude,it looks a bit too studden “hey don’t marry people you just met they might be a psycho” just to give a surprise,giving an unsatisfactory twist,the duke of wiselton was better as a villain idea,the personification of the fear and hate Elsa should fight,I mean,you can still have Hans trying to kill elza but convinced by the duke of wiselton that this would save Anna,who has a ticking clock near death,that would be a good twist,like waternoose kidnapping boo,he’s not evil,but he has no choice in his perspective,he feel bad for doing this,but it’s his duty that’s a more relatable twist villain
8:31 i think i remember reading somewhere that this move was pretty smart because if you got everyone to love supers again, having them fuck up twice stings more than "the supers just did one thing after being gone for x amount of years"
The thing I love about Stinky Pete is that, on a rewatch, you can see how manipulative he's being. Not just of Woody but of Jessie too