I like that Kruber is less worried about the fact that Sienna is a Necromancer and more on the possibility that Sophia is trying to possess her. Shows that he cares more about his friends' well being than their occupation. Also the Saltzpyre transition looking like a pre-boss battle cutscene is funny.
Its like learning one of your friend is on drugs. Kruber is the concerning Bardin is the worried Kerillian is the "You've changed" Saltzpyre is the Disappointed
You do know that Necromancy is the cause of that strange acting. That's why you don't fuck with the veils between life and death, it really fucks up the difference between living and dead.
@@FilipMoncriefSienna always calls everyone "Darling" and never uses "Dear" Also later in the video she calls Markus "Marko" and waves it away when he corrects her
@@FilipMoncriefsienna loved to say the word darling and addresses the crew as such while sofia likes the word dear and addresses the crew in the tower of treachery as such. This is bad because it seems like sofia is possessing of some kind in siennas body and is trying to pretend to be sienna
"A trifling little thing like necromancy" towards Kruber. The same thing that gave him PTSD and survivors guilt? The trifling little thing that drove him to drink? Yeah right, something is definetly off with Sienna.
@@LordVader1094 He did consider Sienna a good friend (I think?) and someone he can trust during their travels together. I'm sure he would freak out a bit more encountering a other necromancer other than Sienna.
@@LordVader1094 This is true. This whole new career is stupid. As if saltzpyre would let a necromancer live, sienna or not, and krubers stance on necromancy is even more extreme.
@@LordVader1094 Quite the opposite, this is very much in character. Kruber has never been the type of guy to let his own struggles affect other people. He's also always been very open minded, willing to give everyone a chance, regardless of how unethical or taboo they may seem...Except for the Pactsworn, obviously. Also let's not forget that Kruber is, by all means, the glue keeping the U5 together. Kruber's main motivation has always been family, or as he calls it "My Folks", and as we all already know, Kruber sees the U5 as his folks, they're his family now...A very disfunctional one but family nontheless. It would've been very out of character if he had rejected Sienna now, after everything they've been through together. + Come on, dude literally has a line showing empathy regarding Sienna's sister's presumed death, literally saying "Family is family innit", it doesn't get any more clear than that.
He grew to trust Sienna and view her as someone close to him, among the rest of the U5 as maybe even a member of the “family”. Only to slowly begin resigning himself to the notion that he was right in the beginning. He so badly didn’t want to be right
I think he really grew to trust Sienna, deep under his usual layer of contempt for wizards. He might have even gotten to see her as a friend and respect her control of her impulses; but this? Necromancy is one of the lowest of lows in Wh
@@Ghostrebel017yeah, the fact hes even considering working with the lady to redeem sienna speaks mountains to the fact that hes more sad shes fallen to necromancy and cares about her
@@stellarkin1232how would they do that exactly? I don't recall the lady "un-necromancy" necromancers. Although, if you have meant possession - might have worked
Everyone had expected Victor to be enraged, and well in the written lore chronicles he did. He knocked out Kerillian when he found out because he knew she would back Sienna up. Then he got into a fight with Bardin, turning his back to Kruber since he believed Kruber would have his back. Instead Kruber believed Sienna is still good and knocked Victor out with a large rock. Since then Victor has been very restrained now knowing that the entire group wouldn't have backed him up in slaying Sienna.
I feel he likely was gunning on Sienna fully redeeming herself. Necromancy is one of the few magics the Empire has the kill on sight order. After all the fact that Saltzpyre put her on trial instead of just killing shows he at least tried to nudge her in the right direction. At least how I see it.
I genuinely wish she had more lines like this instead of just being kind of an ass the whole time, honestly feels unfair to her voice actress with how many good lines the others get.
@@cursedhawkins1305 There is thinking highly of yourself and thinking you're better than the gods, you don't have to think of yourself as bad to see others as good too
@@El_chara There's a difference between thinking highly of yourself and thinking you're just better than EVERYONE else effectively growing an ego in the process! That's how people tend to view Elves in Fantasy and to a degree the same thing for the Eldar in 40K, both are very egotistical all because they had an empire that fell apart.
God.. Saltzpyre is honestly one of the most interesting characters I've ever met. He has quick jabs at friends and foes, he's wise about his thoughts and not some mindless wooden stake for the Order. He feels sorrow for what had happened to Sienna instead of hate. He seems to feel... sorrow but honorable enough to promise a painless death. Also, his picture with his conversion with Sienna makes him just look so damn sad about the change of actions
I'd dare say that's somewhat the point, no? It's been my experience as an adult that most acts that look like hate have a root in love. The "hateful inquisitor" is often trying to protect the innocent from a vampire/witch/demon/werewolf, for example.
^ yeah, and they've gone on record stating that their original careers and DLC careers are the canon careers for each of them. so Saltzpyre, despite his prickly attitude at times, does actually follow the tenets of Sigmar pretty much perfectly to become a Warrior Priest of Sigmar.
@@insaneyoohooCareers 1 and 4 are canon, with 1 being the roles they had post-Ubersreik. Other careers are what-ifs, with one Lohner chronicle attributing this to Tzeentchian trickery.
Ye, I think Kerillians go to Shade and Handmaiden is much more far off. That ain't just careers. Its other elven cultures entirely. Kerillian even changes her skin color to match that.
I think it's because most of the cast isn't sure even what is a Sister of Thorns. But! Necromancer? Saltzpyre? is witch hunter and his job is to hunt people like her. Kruber? he got his regiment killed by necromancer and i'm still surprised how well he is taking it. Bardin? he is a dwarf anything, that even has a possibility to harm his ancestors is suspicious. Kerillian? she is an elf even by this alone she has stronger connection to magic of warhammer world than the rest so she can feel something is off. And Sienna? she knows what she is doing so i'm even more nervous that she got spirit of her sister in head. And what cast knows what Sister of Thorns is? Only Kerillian knows details, rest probably see this career as weird wizard that has more probability to go off, in terms of Imperial Wizards? it's called Tuesday.
Victor's "You have fallen so very, very far." has this tinge of sadness to it. I think up to her new career Saltzpyre has begun to tolerate sienna more and more, the woman turning to necromancy right after Saltz testing and further strengthening his faith (new warrior priest class) in recent updates may drive an even bigger wedge than what they started with all the way back in VT1
Man, it's such a cool concept to have a religious zealot go from hating all things wizard to tolerating one wizard, to trusting said wizard, accepting wizardry as a whole and then being depressed to find out that ultimately he was right all along when he was a zealot.
Bardin is like: "do anything to my ancestors and kins bodies and i will carve your name on a torpedo, are we clear?" Which, to be fair, is perfectly in character for how dwarfs see their ancestors.
I think when he's referring to his deceased loved ones, he might be thinking of his son. But he at least is not crazy enough to want to see his son back via necromancy.
“Agreed. If we don’t stand together, what are we?” It’s nice hearing that from Kerillian. Even as a SoTT, she loves the dysfunctional family that is the Ubersreik five, deep down.
She always did. It's just that up until now she was too insecure to admit it. Kerrilian is very ashamed of herself and troubled on the inside, since she's the reason that Ubersreik got overrun by rats. Her insults are just her way of acting tough so that others don't notice how unbelievably guilty and weak she feels.
@@BIGESTblade It makes me wonder if her... new-found honestly regarding how she views the group is because of Sienna's decision to embrace necromancy, like she feels responsible somehow in putting what is basically her only family in the whole world at risk of shattering because she wasn't there by Sienna's side when it mattered most.
@@amesnfire1098 It's because Sienna is more important to her than her fears. If helping Sieanna means dropping the act, then that's what Kerillian will do. Kerillian really gets too much hate. She doesn't deserve most of it and she doesn't really mean all the crap she's talking. She's not the only one who does it too. Saltzpyre talks crap to everyone except Markus and nobody hates him.
@@BIGESTblade Kerillian talks smack and gets away with it all the time, and is relentless. If people are getting a long and being friendly, she shits on it. Saltzpyre gets a lot of flack back for being the way he is, and he is at least friendly with those who do not challenge his values and morals as much (i.e Kruber and Bardin). Also Saltzpyre at least has a more selfless nature to him, where Kerillian comes off as incredibly selfish and uncaring at surface level, and it takes a long time for the "warmth" to shine through even a little bit. Saltzpyre is not quite as much of a dick as Kerillian is a bitch
To be fair he probably saw others in his profession get corrupted. Maybe thinking about how this has happened so many times and yet here it goes again with one of his companions. And there's nothing to be done about it than put someone out of their misery again.
Everyone had expected Victor to be enraged, and well in the written lore chronicles he did. He knocked out Kerillian when he found out because he knew she would back Sienna up. Then he got into a fight with Bardin, turning his back to Kruber since he believed Kruber would have his back. Instead Kruber believed Sienna is still good and knocked Victor out with a large rock. Since then Victor has been very restrained now knowing that the entire group wouldn't have backed him up in slaying Sienna.
I have a strange suspision that Sienna and Sofia are merged... One line, where she starts with "Dear" and abruptly stops to correct herself. Perhaps dead Sofia is harassing Sienna in death.
My guess? I believe Sofia' soul may have taken over Sienna' body. As we know enough Nagash can do all kinds of shittery. It seems a better idea, than Sofia masquerading as Sienna. That and as we know from Lore - changing Winds of Magic isn't an easy snap of the fingers. It does 'look' and 'feel' that Sofia is in Sienna - whether as a passenger or driver. Even Salty Vic and Kruber have worries about such possibility.
Yeah, that line where she calls Markus "Marko" and then pretends it was HIS idea when he corrects her? That feels telling, too Also, "both more herself and less herself" DEFINITELY feels like maybe someone putting on a show of really really definitely being the real Sienna for sure, why would you doubt it? And I think her sister would probably know her well enough to do some convincing acting...
Its sad gameplay-wise too when you saw Necromancer 1-shot Chaos Warrior I didnt get to play her yet but seeing she 1-shot any kind of elites and special and her getting top dmg dealt after she just join halfway through a mission also worries me about the balance of the game too
You are overreacting a bit. I play her and the dwarf in our group outdamages me all the time, and i cant oneshot CW (tho i didnt build for burst damage that seriously yet) It is strong, but not too much@@northaz3922
Like everyone else has said, shes totally possessed. Not only with the "dea-darling", bit, but her voice in general just sounds...wrong. I cant place it, but she doesnt sound exactly like Sienna should.
And even after all of that they still care for her and want to have Sienna back, that moment of Salz and Kruber, to put the power of Sigmar and lileath(the lady) together and move her away from Necromancy is grate in showing that. Old Witch Hunter dos get soft in a proper way.
Well he is a Sigmar Supremacist after all, calling aid for anything else than him is just...well heresy xd Like he have a hard time "tolerating" the other gods worship in the imperium like Taal. But yes, seems that he is on the edge on this one to get his....khem khem "prisoner" back.
He tried to end her if it was not for Kruber. Lore: You see, I didn’t find out until later that the rest of the Five had skimped on some of the details of how they found Sienna. The halo of blue-green flame about her body. The skeletons that burst from the snows to attack them when they drew nearer. Protecting her, or so Kerillian said, drawn by her mutterings. Not that a handful of rotten bones had any chance against my lot, but that’s scant consolation. There’s a word for the sort of wizard who raises the dead, even unconscious, and it ain’t a nice one. It gets worse. Saltzpyre, who more than anyone knows a necromancer when he sees one, would have put Sienna out of our collective misery then and there but for the others. Knowing that Kerillian would never stand for it, he clobbered her first - making a lie of one of my recent assertions, I suppose - then squared off against Bardin. Would have been the end of the Ubersreik Five then and there but for one miscalculation on Salty’s part. Given how a necromancer did for Kruber’s old regiment back in the day, he assumed Markus would be right behind him. And he was, in a manner of speaking. With a rock. Turns out it takes more than labels and superstition to shake Kruber’s friendship once it’s earned. Good for him.
Not full possession, but like a molding of the two straight down the middle in one body. Both powers remain prevalent, with a bit of a mix in personality. Either way, they're right to be cautious since they may be twins, but Sofia path has more ass behind it
Do you think there will be more in getting rid of her? After all it was hinted that we may get more stuff involving her. Unless they meant Sofia possessing Sienna was it.. which would be disappointing.
Saltzpyre is literally considering seeking the Lady’s help for dealing with Sienna. Given that he’s a warrior priest now, and that he’s probably heard numerous times from Kerillian that the Lady is Lileath, the fact he’s considering this speaks volumes as to his desperation.
Genuinely surprised that Victor didint go nuts with rage in his conversation with necromancer sienna. God damn... its kinda sad... it seems like Victor was slowly gaining trust with Sienna over time, only for it to be broken in the end...😢
A recent lohner chronicle states that when they first found Sienna as a necromancer he did in fact go nuts with rage, 1-shotting elf, blocked by dwarf, and KO'd by Kruber. Only after they took the unconscious Saltz and Sienna back home were they able to talk through stuff.
@@aetherblackbolt1301 He's probably had time to realize that if he acts and kills Sienna then the U5 is over. At best Salty would be exiled from the group and forced to return to his witch-hunter order (as a self-proclaimed warrior of sigmar no less) while Markus, Kerillian, & Bardin try desperately to continue their work without his leadership + two people down.
@@amesnfire1098 funny enough Saltzpyre has the physical manifestations to prove to them that he was legitimately chosen to be a Warrior Priest of Sigmar, though knowing Warhammer, his order would probably still chalk it up to Chaos fuckery.
Victor eventually realised he's forced to play the Great Game, so he knows that killing Sienna means killing the Ubersreich Five and that means losing the Empire. Which he, as a Sigmarite, can't afford.
Everyone is so far reacting as I expected. Kruber, while he has a bad past with necromancers, cares a lot about his friends/comrades wellbeing. Which he shows in his lines. He also copes with his trauma by just going "well, it is what it is" or sidelining it with other things (drinking, cheering others up, making jokes, changing the topic.) Bardin, he respects her still but magic is magic to him, as long as she is on their side he doesnt really care. Kerilian being quite disdraught about it and mad at Sienna, as she is the only one she considers very close in this group (and even calling her a friend in her talk now). And Saltzpyre, he grew closer to Sienna and got to trust her. He thought that his beliefs may have been wrong.. just to be proven that they were right. He's not mad, not really upset, just very sad about it. Because deep down, he wanted to believe that he was wrong. But only got proven right in the end..
I understand warhammer 40k is not meant to be a happy place but damn these slowly growing friends was a bright spark in the end of the world. Honestly I see why people mock 40k sometimes by going GRIMDARK, sometimes it gets to silly yeeting baby levels of evil for no reason :/
Saltz was actually fucking livid when he found out. Full up wanted to kill her right there, but realized rather suddenly that *no one* would back him up if he tried. Seems he mellowed out and is now less angry and more depressed about the situation. I imagine that if Sienna doesn't shape up, he won't hesitate to grant her Sigmar's mercy.
@@wolfclunas4736 I think it's partly due to the line about twins and necromancers that Kruber brought up, he likely figures there's a lot more at play than just Sienna losing it. In Warhammer, especially Fantasy, twins are said to share one soul, by killing her twin, the soul has been reunited within Sienna and both sides are struggling to be dominant as one is corrupted and the other not. Saltzpyre likely believes and very likely HOPES that something can be done.
I hope we get a map where we 'redeem' Sienna like the party discuss. Maybe not rid her of necromancy, but exorcise Sofia from Sienna at the very least. Could be a good way to have a Bretonnia themed map.
Exorcise Sofia. Give sienna back her sienna-y voice lines as we also get her coming to terms with her sister corrupting her magic and her having trouble channeling Aqshy anymore. It'd be great.
I wonder what that would mean. Does that mean these lines we were hearing are deleted and instead only reference when Sienna and Sophia were one? That means whoever bought necromancer after said mission would only hear mentions of this dialogue. I feel like the more realistic take is that Sienna dies. Whether it be herself, Sophia, or Saltzpyre
@@bruhman3649 i'd imagine there might be some sort of trigger or condition implemented to make sure the old voicelines are still around, but only BEFORE you free sienna from sofia in the new mission
These saltzpyre interactions have to be some of my favorites in the game. He almost sounds heart broken on what she’s become, he probably came to respect her and began to understand that she’s just a woman with fire powers and not an evil witch. God the Ubersriek 5 are incredible characters.
@@nameless6159there's enough content. The point is characters. In dark there's none, its no name characters, that have interesting interactions with others, but still, its no name vs no name. So they just can't have any relationship.
@@0DanteMayCry0 The lack of content is the most criticized thing about the game, again, the lack of characters is a reason to not be as loved like Vermintide but its theme is different and if I remember correctly, being a nobody in the world was one of the thing that people liked because its 40k
Slow appearance on screen, bossfight music... I have a strong feeling that an adaptation of the relationship and the final duel between Victor and Sienna would attract more attention from the community than the fight between Karl Franz and Archaon.
@@insaneyoohoo The defaults and DLC classes are canon i belive. Some, like Slayer or for Kruber Hunter, Unchained, Shade are what they "could" become. But ultimately they end up as the DLC classes i think seen how they all had cinematics
@@captainburnos2828 True i did not consider that (completely forgot Chaos Wastes even had a trailer). Still i think its intended that they ended up as the DLC classes, for most its where they "find themselves". Well except Sienna. Maybe the timeline is different and they embark on the Chaos Pillgrimage first and then become those DLC classes after aquiring the scroll thing in the Citadel of Eternity ? Then again Chaos Wastes as a whole seems like a completely seperate thing, perhaps also a "what if" scenario and "not canon"
@@insaneyoohooAs I understand, they’re all alternate timelines for the sequel. They were all their respective default careers following the events of Vermintide 1, then either stayed with that career or went another path.
8:58 This right here is just absolutely heart-rending. I can FEEL the mood of the conversation. These are two people who, against all odds, managed to form a strong camaraderie - a solid relationship which none of the two will admit to enjoying, even though they do. And it all just crumbles. These two human beings know that they can no longer coexist, that one will die at the hands of another. Saltzpyre WILL murder Sienna, granting her mercy is ultimately betraying the principles that drive Victor's existence. And yet. And yet, when Sienna tauningly asks if Victor's "merciful, painless death" should make her feel better, Victor still lets out the words that show that he still cares. He still wonders if he could make his friend feel better at a very dark time. And Sienna humbly reassures him that she understands, and does feel a bit better. That despite it all, something is still down there, a sweet bit of friendship built on constant suffering, endured together - and it will make no difference at the end. Heart. Rending.
This exact conversation legitimately put a tear down my throat. Sienna's under Sofia, somehow, or maybe both of the sisters thanks Viktor, wich is even more heartbreaking
I was told that this career wasn't Sienna, but rather her sister being playable. --I have been lied to.-- i guess there is a spark of truth to it if Markus is right.
You see, I didn’t find out until later that the rest of the Five had skimped on some of the details of how they found Sienna. The halo of blue-green flame about her body. The skeletons that burst from the snows to attack them when they drew nearer. Protecting her, or so Kerillian said, drawn by her mutterings. Not that a handful of rotten bones had any chance against my lot, but that’s scant consolation. There’s a word for the sort of wizard who raises the dead, even unconscious, and it ain’t a nice one. It gets worse. Saltzpyre, who more than anyone knows a necromancer when he sees one, would have put Sienna out of our collective misery then and there but for the others. Knowing that Kerillian would never stand for it, he clobbered her first - making a lie of one of my recent assertions, I suppose - then squared off against Bardin. Would have been the end of the Ubersreik Five then and there but for one miscalculation on Salty’s part. Given how a necromancer did for Kruber’s old regiment back in the day, he assumed Markus would be right behind him. And he was, in a manner of speaking. With a rock. Turns out it takes more than labels and superstition to shake Kruber’s friendship once it’s earned. Good for him.
Aw man, Salts sounds so sad and dissapointed, telling the already crazy, unpredictable, killer flame crack granny that she went so down even whe he already considered her a threat (almost a friend). It punched my guts
Love that little touch of when everything fades out at 10:42, the only thing that stays on the screen is the word "possess", and the white lettering fades into a soulfire green. Very eerie, well done!
I do apreciate the use of When you're evil. One of my favourite songs. Perhaps we will get a mission to excursise her? I find the dialogue of channeling both Sigmar and the Lady for a common cause facinating.
I love the Saltzpyer segment! It’s so characteristically accurate to how their encounter in the Keep might feel, extremely well done, all praise to you @Janfon1
10:33 This is so well written, as it implies that Saltzpyre actually tolerates her out of generosity more than anything else and that he doesn't see this as getting "soft" at the same time. Interesting, for a witch hunter.
I’d… like to see you animate what happened when they found Sienna in the snow. Saltz’s eyes retreating into the shadow of his hat, as he cold-clocks Kerillian and turns his guns on Bardin and Sienna, only to get knocked out by Kruber with a heavy stone, leaving the dwarf and azumgi to cart their collective unconscious forms back to the keep. Honestly, I think you’d absolutely nail that, given what I know of your work.
@@CaptainPellaeon Lohner’s Diaries. It’s like lore blurbs that tell you a little of what’s happening outside of the stuff you see and hear in the keep and on missions.
You can catch some of the dialogue in the final mission of the chapter where you assist with liberating a dwarf fortress. The mission starts with your ship crashing in a storm and through the mission you get tidbits of dialogue referencing their fight. I was wanting to see more about it.
It's heartbreaking how...*sad* Saltzpyre sounds. It's as if he's already trying to come to terms with it--Sienna's taken a path that might never be undone. He sees it as only a matter of time before he has to kill someone he'd begun to see as a true friend.
Man, I love how you can feel their suspicion and concern, both for Sienna and to their personal goals and values. These writers and actors could make a great WH show if given a chance
Timestamps: 00:00 Markus Kruber 02:21 Bardin Goreksson 04:06 Kerillian 06:36 Franz Lohner 07:34 Victor Saltzpyre 10:50 Group conversations 14:42 Outro Music used: The Talking Book - The Fallen Silent Hill - Innocent Moon Voltaire - When You're Evil Hungry Ghosts - Three Sisters Pyre - The Eight Scribes (Acoustic White Lute edition)
Nah man, nagash went from being a psycho to being a divine psycho with the best hat in any fantasy setting around, guys got it made. Necromancy only ends in tragedy for people who have morals and lack style.
Listening to a few of these and, is it just me or does Sienna even sound a bit.... Smoother??? Idk, My Fire witch usually has that gruff to her voice. Sienna you better kick Sophia's ass.
Noticed this too, was very put off by it. If Sofia hasn't fully possessed Sienna, she's at the very least being haunted by her or maybe even fighting for control over her own body. Very interested to see how it all unfolds
Necromancy is the way for those who want power... Or someone who is desperate. For example, Frederick van Hull. He was a noble man who chose the path of necromancy as a last resort in the war with the Skaven. Gelman Gorst became a necromancer in a fit of despair when the disease took his whole family and he became obsessed with the idea of resurrection, which Manfred said goodbye to. Heinrich Kemmler was an ordinary peasant son. This already says a lot, being an ordinary person in the world of Warhammer is a sentence. And Henry decided from childhood to solve the problem of death. As for Sienna, she is most likely possessed by the spirit of Sofia (I'm more than sure Sienna is possessed by Sofia's spirit. With a lot of overheating, she often says - "No, all this is not right. It shouldn't be like this." As if after a long contact with magic, Sofia loosens her grip). But, at the same time, the End of Time has come - the world is collapsing and going crazy, she has lost her last relative and all her friends have changed a lot (in their new careers). All this can break many of us, but Sienna is persistent and could decide on a "last resort", like Balthazar Gelt. Yes, necromancy can be used in the name of good (like Balthazar and Frederick), but all "good necromancers" always end badly...
Gelt murdered an Elector Count, a bunch of Imperial solders, and almost got the Emperor killed by using Necromancy. He's not someone to look up to in this case...
@@PLpatriot999 Well of course. But i would have hoped for better circumstances for the 5 than having one of the members be replaced by a fucking necromancer.
In the end all undead and humankind did stand together against chaos because it was a fight for pure survival. All limits were off. Altdorf was defended with armies from nagash until the end.
@@nalrashidoand even if they did win they’d instantly have to deal with Nagash trying to pull making everyone a mindless thrall again and he’d probably win
I love how perceptive Kruber is despite him being considered a bit of a dullard by his compatriots and his overall simple approach to life. Man was the one to sniff out what's wrong with Siena when the paranoid witch hunter and the elf didn't even consider it.
I can imagine Bardin was referring to his son when saying he does want to see his lost loved ones again, but not in an extremely unnatural manner. The dwarf has his priorities in check, at least.
*Saltzpyre* straight-up suggesting a Holy Warrior Tag-Team to _redeem_ Sienna is honestly the single most unexpected character turn I've ever seen in Warhammer after 20 years in the hobby.
Saltzpyre's dialogue is so good, he went from being fervourous to completely losing all hope on Sienna with her necromancy. Also Pyre's soundtrack is a fantastic choice.
Thanks a bunch for once more uploading this type of content Janfon ! :) I've been really curious about all these voice lines - and you made their introduction so much better with all the settings and music ! The dramatic shift to Saltzpyre, the comedy with Bardin, the group chat and the like all made this a really enjoyable video to watch :D Keep up your amazing and holy work and I do hope to see more ! :)
Victor had one job with Sienna, and now he has to become the villain in order to finish it. Just like how Sienna’s evil other forced her to begin this transition.
I feel like it would be extremely unlikely given it's the end times, it would go against the fourth career which so far have all been the "final" states of the characters, and it would probably be really weird to script in a mission but I really hope we see some sort of plotline/map series involving an exorcism of sofia. I get that it's kind of the point but it feels like she doesn't deserve that bad of a fate.
They have Kruber WAY too chill with a necromancer being near him. He has PTSD from one killing his whole regiment and it doesn't come out at all here. Kerellian's more upset than him. It's bizarre.
@@xCheatahHow is it coping? He sounds like Sienna's taken up a bad drinking habit when he talks, not raising LITERAL CORPSES, or that she's now the same type of mage that wiped out his regiment.
This is mentioned in Lohners Chronicles, where Saltzpyre tried to kill Sienna upon their discovery of her in the middle of a ritual and knocks out Kerillian and almost Bardin, and assumed that because of his past, Kruber would be behind him, and he was... With a rock. Lohner states that: "Turns out it takes more than labels and superstition to shake Kruber’s friendship once it’s earned. Good for him."
Poor Saltzpyre. The man finally broke out of a depressing spiral into madness, only to be confronted with someone he'd come to trust and care about become something he's sworn to destroy. He sounds so defeated and desperate.
Every opinion on the matter : Markus : He think it's sus, not really concerned about his old PTSD (strangely) but more about Sienna and a spy among us ! Bardin : Don't like it but approve her choice. Kerrilian : She hate it ! Lohner : Think she overstepped in her magic. Victor : Ready to do his duty as a witch hunter but hold it because he care about Sienna.
On Markus' PTSD he's also had skaven (Ubersreik, his family, literally everything in the game), beastmen (fully prepared to die to blow up the warpstone), Sofia's tower shenanigans, and so on. I figured he's probably more worried about Sienna than yet *another* item to add to his list.
Saltzpyre looks and sounds like he was fully ready to draw steel, depending on how the conversation went. Under the stern and dutiful facade, he is very human.
I love how after the line at 01:03 finished up I paused the video to do a Mike Stoklasa impression of "No one is ever really gone" resumed the video and then you edited that line in perfectly. I was laughing my ass off. Thank you so much.
Yoooo! Amazing use of music to set the tone! and thanks for compiling these as usual!! I got super excited when I recognize Voltaire, he's so underrated imo.
i like how in 13:20 Saltzpyre implies the possibility of possession is actually *more* worrying to him then her just going full necromancy. Perhaps because it means that the right and moral solution to the problem is now significantly more complicated.
I like that Kruber is less worried about the fact that Sienna is a Necromancer and more on the possibility that Sophia is trying to possess her. Shows that he cares more about his friends' well being than their occupation.
Also the Saltzpyre transition looking like a pre-boss battle cutscene is funny.
I have gigantic judgment dynamic intros with that transision.
@@sauronplugawy3866 And Dark Souls music. Don't forget that.
Its like learning one of your friend is on drugs.
Kruber is the concerning
Bardin is the worried
Kerillian is the "You've changed"
Saltzpyre is the Disappointed
I think there's a chance she's not possessed and shes sofia disguised as sienna
You do know that Necromancy is the cause of that strange acting. That's why you don't fuck with the veils between life and death, it really fucks up the difference between living and dead.
Sienna: *becomes a necromancer*
The other characters: *genuine concern*
Victor: *loads gun with sad intent*
True actually, he tried to kill her when they found her
Saltz sounds like he desperately wants to old-yeller Sienna
"Dea- darling" oh shes so possessed by Sofia its so over.
Oh SHIT
How so? I don’t really understand this line tbh
@@FilipMoncriefSienna always calls everyone "Darling" and never uses "Dear"
Also later in the video she calls Markus "Marko" and waves it away when he corrects her
@@FilipMoncriefsienna loved to say the word darling and addresses the crew as such while sofia likes the word dear and addresses the crew in the tower of treachery as such. This is bad because it seems like sofia is possessing of some kind in siennas body and is trying to pretend to be sienna
@@crabhm5537 oh I never noticed it on that map. Nice.
"A trifling little thing like necromancy" towards Kruber. The same thing that gave him PTSD and survivors guilt? The trifling little thing that drove him to drink? Yeah right, something is definetly off with Sienna.
Honestly Kruber's out of character, he doesn't seem appropriately upset given his past with Necromancers.
@@LordVader1094 He did consider Sienna a good friend (I think?) and someone he can trust during their travels together. I'm sure he would freak out a bit more encountering a other necromancer other than Sienna.
@@LordVader1094 This is true. This whole new career is stupid. As if saltzpyre would let a necromancer live, sienna or not, and krubers stance on necromancy is even more extreme.
Hmph... yeah... "Sienna"
@@LordVader1094 Quite the opposite, this is very much in character. Kruber has never been the type of guy to let his own struggles affect other people. He's also always been very open minded, willing to give everyone a chance, regardless of how unethical or taboo they may seem...Except for the Pactsworn, obviously.
Also let's not forget that Kruber is, by all means, the glue keeping the U5 together. Kruber's main motivation has always been family, or as he calls it "My Folks", and as we all already know, Kruber sees the U5 as his folks, they're his family now...A very disfunctional one but family nontheless. It would've been very out of character if he had rejected Sienna now, after everything they've been through together.
+ Come on, dude literally has a line showing empathy regarding Sienna's sister's presumed death, literally saying "Family is family innit", it doesn't get any more clear than that.
actually fucking depressing about saltzpyre, my poor boy, he sounds so defeated
He went through the whole enemies-to-lovers slow burn only to get stopped right before the finish line by her evil sister, I'd be depressed too.
He grew to trust Sienna and view her as someone close to him, among the rest of the U5 as maybe even a member of the “family”. Only to slowly begin resigning himself to the notion that he was right in the beginning. He so badly didn’t want to be right
Saltzpyre sounds more disappointed than angry. Somehow that seems worse.
Seems he's greatly saddened.
I think he really grew to trust Sienna, deep under his usual layer of contempt for wizards. He might have even gotten to see her as a friend and respect her control of her impulses; but this? Necromancy is one of the lowest of lows in Wh
@@Ghostrebel017yeah, the fact hes even considering working with the lady to redeem sienna speaks mountains to the fact that hes more sad shes fallen to necromancy and cares about her
@@stellarkin1232how would they do that exactly?
I don't recall the lady "un-necromancy" necromancers.
Although, if you have meant possession - might have worked
Everyone had expected Victor to be enraged, and well in the written lore chronicles he did. He knocked out Kerillian when he found out because he knew she would back Sienna up. Then he got into a fight with Bardin, turning his back to Kruber since he believed Kruber would have his back. Instead Kruber believed Sienna is still good and knocked Victor out with a large rock. Since then Victor has been very restrained now knowing that the entire group wouldn't have backed him up in slaying Sienna.
Saltzpire wanting so bad redeem Sienna that he's willing to call on The Lady's help is kinda neat
Saltz seems genuinely sad about what Sienna has become
Yeah, it sounded like thst for me too
That's what got to me as well. He doesn't sound angry. Just genuine sadness...
Nah, he's not sad, just disapointed
I feel he likely was gunning on Sienna fully redeeming herself. Necromancy is one of the few magics the Empire has the kill on sight order. After all the fact that Saltzpyre put her on trial instead of just killing shows he at least tried to nudge her in the right direction. At least how I see it.
He's going to judge her and shoot her in the head.
Even after everything she's done for the crew
I like how Sienna's turn to necromancy is what forces Kerillian to admit she actually wants to be with the mayflies and considers them comrades
I genuinely wish she had more lines like this instead of just being kind of an ass the whole time, honestly feels unfair to her voice actress with how many good lines the others get.
@@Kozmokast Do remember that Elves still think highly of themselves.
@@cursedhawkins1305 There is thinking highly of yourself and thinking you're better than the gods, you don't have to think of yourself as bad to see others as good too
@@El_chara There's a difference between thinking highly of yourself and thinking you're just better than EVERYONE else effectively growing an ego in the process! That's how people tend to view Elves in Fantasy and to a degree the same thing for the Eldar in 40K, both are very egotistical all because they had an empire that fell apart.
God.. Saltzpyre is honestly one of the most interesting characters I've ever met. He has quick jabs at friends and foes, he's wise about his thoughts and not some mindless wooden stake for the Order. He feels sorrow for what had happened to Sienna instead of hate. He seems to feel... sorrow but honorable enough to promise a painless death.
Also, his picture with his conversion with Sienna makes him just look so damn sad about the change of actions
I'd dare say that's somewhat the point, no?
It's been my experience as an adult that most acts that look like hate have a root in love.
The "hateful inquisitor" is often trying to protect the innocent from a vampire/witch/demon/werewolf, for example.
@@Newsandjy
One must do the most awful of acts to protect the things most dear to them.
He clearly has a pure heart and truly serves Sigmar unlike the inquisition, since he was chosen as one of Sigmars own warriors.
^ yeah, and they've gone on record stating that their original careers and DLC careers are the canon careers for each of them. so Saltzpyre, despite his prickly attitude at times, does actually follow the tenets of Sigmar pretty much perfectly to become a Warrior Priest of Sigmar.
@@JondarKorricso kruber really is related to the french? Thats....genuinely more horrifying then sienna
SHE'S TOTALLY POSSESSED
IT'S SO OVER
Either possessed or sharing with a passenger driver. Both are not that great options.
@@chanalan7670WE'RE GETTING TO THE END OF U5 NOOOOO
Nah I’d say she is fighting it off
Its sad seeing the very good sienna-kerillian relationship they had before falling apart
How do the careers work again in canon? Are all of them canon but just in different orders, or are they just possible paths the characters can take?
@@insaneyoohooCareers 1 and 4 are canon, with 1 being the roles they had post-Ubersreik. Other careers are what-ifs, with one Lohner chronicle attributing this to Tzeentchian trickery.
To be fair though, Kerillian still calls Sienna friend in dialogue with the others.
Ye, I think Kerillians go to Shade and Handmaiden is much more far off. That ain't just careers. Its other elven cultures entirely. Kerillian even changes her skin color to match that.
@@H240909 Career 4 refers to DLC careers, LOL.
I love how the Necromancer career gets more suspicion, fear and disapproval than the Sister of Thorns xD
cause its kerillian. need i say more?
I think it's because most of the cast isn't sure even what is a Sister of Thorns. But! Necromancer? Saltzpyre? is witch hunter and his job is to hunt people like her. Kruber? he got his regiment killed by necromancer and i'm still surprised how well he is taking it. Bardin? he is a dwarf anything, that even has a possibility to harm his ancestors is suspicious. Kerillian? she is an elf even by this alone she has stronger connection to magic of warhammer world than the rest so she can feel something is off. And Sienna? she knows what she is doing so i'm even more nervous that she got spirit of her sister in head.
And what cast knows what Sister of Thorns is? Only Kerillian knows details, rest probably see this career as weird wizard that has more probability to go off, in terms of Imperial Wizards? it's called Tuesday.
Kerillian was bad already, she just turned badder
@@andriosgustav5578she was nicer and mysterious in the first game.
In the second she's angry and desperate
@@andriosgustav5578What Kerillian is fine? How could you not like her?
Victor's "You have fallen so very, very far." has this tinge of sadness to it. I think up to her new career Saltzpyre has begun to tolerate sienna more and more, the woman turning to necromancy right after Saltz testing and further strengthening his faith (new warrior priest class) in recent updates may drive an even bigger wedge than what they started with all the way back in VT1
Man, it's such a cool concept to have a religious zealot go from hating all things wizard to tolerating one wizard, to trusting said wizard, accepting wizardry as a whole and then being depressed to find out that ultimately he was right all along when he was a zealot.
It made all that path pointless on his development, all for nothing or to start over again
He did not tolerate her. He tried to kill her and she only survived because Kruber knocked him out.
Welcome to the End Times, @@IMFERMO. It is an ongoing theme
He used to have fury and wrath for his ennemies.
Now one of those ennemy is his former friend, he can only have saddness for her.
Bardin is like: "do anything to my ancestors and kins bodies and i will carve your name on a torpedo, are we clear?"
Which, to be fair, is perfectly in character for how dwarfs see their ancestors.
I think when he's referring to his deceased loved ones, he might be thinking of his son. But he at least is not crazy enough to want to see his son back via necromancy.
@@noelwym123no sane Dwarf is
“Agreed. If we don’t stand together, what are we?”
It’s nice hearing that from Kerillian. Even as a SoTT, she loves the dysfunctional family that is the Ubersreik five, deep down.
She always did. It's just that up until now she was too insecure to admit it. Kerrilian is very ashamed of herself and troubled on the inside, since she's the reason that Ubersreik got overrun by rats. Her insults are just her way of acting tough so that others don't notice how unbelievably guilty and weak she feels.
@@BIGESTblade She just needs a big group hug and she'll be ok :)
@@BIGESTblade It makes me wonder if her... new-found honestly regarding how she views the group is because of Sienna's decision to embrace necromancy, like she feels responsible somehow in putting what is basically her only family in the whole world at risk of shattering because she wasn't there by Sienna's side when it mattered most.
@@amesnfire1098 It's because Sienna is more important to her than her fears. If helping Sieanna means dropping the act, then that's what Kerillian will do. Kerillian really gets too much hate. She doesn't deserve most of it and she doesn't really mean all the crap she's talking.
She's not the only one who does it too. Saltzpyre talks crap to everyone except Markus and nobody hates him.
@@BIGESTblade Kerillian talks smack and gets away with it all the time, and is relentless. If people are getting a long and being friendly, she shits on it. Saltzpyre gets a lot of flack back for being the way he is, and he is at least friendly with those who do not challenge his values and morals as much (i.e Kruber and Bardin). Also Saltzpyre at least has a more selfless nature to him, where Kerillian comes off as incredibly selfish and uncaring at surface level, and it takes a long time for the "warmth" to shine through even a little bit.
Saltzpyre is not quite as much of a dick as Kerillian is a bitch
Saltzpyre not being angry is quite… unsettling
He just sounds so... *Disappointed* and *Sad.*
Not a lot of right to be angry, considering he mistook Be'lakor for Sigmar.
To be fair he probably saw others in his profession get corrupted. Maybe thinking about how this has happened so many times and yet here it goes again with one of his companions. And there's nothing to be done about it than put someone out of their misery again.
Everyone had expected Victor to be enraged, and well in the written lore chronicles he did. He knocked out Kerillian when he found out because he knew she would back Sienna up. Then he got into a fight with Bardin, turning his back to Kruber since he believed Kruber would have his back. Instead Kruber believed Sienna is still good and knocked Victor out with a large rock. Since then Victor has been very restrained now knowing that the entire group wouldn't have backed him up in slaying Sienna.
I dont like it.
I have a strange suspision that Sienna and Sofia are merged... One line, where she starts with "Dear" and abruptly stops to correct herself. Perhaps dead Sofia is harassing Sienna in death.
so do the characters themselves
My guess? I believe Sofia' soul may have taken over Sienna' body. As we know enough Nagash can do all kinds of shittery. It seems a better idea, than Sofia masquerading as Sienna.
That and as we know from Lore - changing Winds of Magic isn't an easy snap of the fingers. It does 'look' and 'feel' that Sofia is in Sienna - whether as a passenger or driver.
Even Salty Vic and Kruber have worries about such possibility.
Yeah, that line where she calls Markus "Marko" and then pretends it was HIS idea when he corrects her? That feels telling, too
Also, "both more herself and less herself" DEFINITELY feels like maybe someone putting on a show of really really definitely being the real Sienna for sure, why would you doubt it? And I think her sister would probably know her well enough to do some convincing acting...
They who Bargains with Spirits, Tends to Leave with more then they bargained for.
@@mrgreen6980during the end times, didn't nagash's tomfoolery enable all wizards of the empire to perform necromancy with at least some proficiency?
Gameplay-wise, this must be a lot of fun. Lorewise, this is depressing, WHY SIENNA WHY!?
I don't think it's Sienna's fault. It's her sister Sophia pulling the strings from the dead
That's definitely not Sienna anymore.
Its sad gameplay-wise too when you saw Necromancer 1-shot Chaos Warrior
I didnt get to play her yet but seeing she 1-shot any kind of elites and special and her getting top dmg dealt after she just join halfway through a mission also worries me about the balance of the game too
That's just dlc jank. Grailnight was op on release. Give time to let the hype down and she will become mid tier.
You are overreacting a bit. I play her and the dwarf in our group outdamages me all the time, and i cant oneshot CW (tho i didnt build for burst damage that seriously yet) It is strong, but not too much@@northaz3922
Sienna pulling the "But Markus drank bath water" has got to be top tier.
Timestamp?
@@prich03823:43
The screen fading with just the teal "possess" remaining is actually fucking peak
Very quaint innit
Like everyone else has said, shes totally possessed. Not only with the "dea-darling", bit, but her voice in general just sounds...wrong. I cant place it, but she doesnt sound exactly like Sienna should.
at 9:15 she does sound a bit more Sienna, to me at least
Usually she sounds honest, in the new dialogue she sounds very dismissive and deceptive.. 🥲 auntie... why..
And even after all of that they still care for her and want to have Sienna back, that moment of Salz and Kruber, to put the power of Sigmar and lileath(the lady) together and move her away from Necromancy is grate in showing that. Old Witch Hunter dos get soft in a proper way.
It might help with supposed possession.
The way he says "The Lady" like he is being forced to swallow a bug 😂.
Saltz really is desperate isn't he?
Well he is a Sigmar Supremacist after all, calling aid for anything else than him is just...well heresy xd Like he have a hard time "tolerating" the other gods worship in the imperium like Taal. But yes, seems that he is on the edge on this one to get his....khem khem "prisoner" back.
dude i was expecting saltzpyre to go nuts
but the dialogue between two was very heart warming
and saltzpyre seems so sad and heartbroken and caring
He tried to end her if it was not for Kruber.
Lore:
You see, I didn’t find out until later that the rest of the Five had skimped on some of the details of how they found Sienna. The halo of blue-green flame about her body. The skeletons that burst from the snows to attack them when they drew nearer. Protecting her, or so Kerillian said, drawn by her mutterings. Not that a handful of rotten bones had any chance against my lot, but that’s scant consolation. There’s a word for the sort of wizard who raises the dead, even unconscious, and it ain’t a nice one.
It gets worse. Saltzpyre, who more than anyone knows a necromancer when he sees one, would have put Sienna out of our collective misery then and there but for the others. Knowing that Kerillian would never stand for it, he clobbered her first - making a lie of one of my recent assertions, I suppose - then squared off against Bardin. Would have been the end of the Ubersreik Five then and there but for one miscalculation on Salty’s part. Given how a necromancer did for Kruber’s old regiment back in the day, he assumed Markus would be right behind him. And he was, in a manner of speaking. With a rock.
Turns out it takes more than labels and superstition to shake Kruber’s friendship once it’s earned. Good for him.
This hasn’t exactly disproved my head cannon that Sofia is possessing sienna
Reinforces it in fact
I personally think it’s less possession and more being influenced by Sophia
Not full possession, but like a molding of the two straight down the middle in one body. Both powers remain prevalent, with a bit of a mix in personality. Either way, they're right to be cautious since they may be twins, but Sofia path has more ass behind it
@@JosekTheNecromancerthe proces of possession can just take long
Do you think there will be more in getting rid of her? After all it was hinted that we may get more stuff involving her. Unless they meant Sofia possessing Sienna was it.. which would be disappointing.
Saltzpyre is literally considering seeking the Lady’s help for dealing with Sienna. Given that he’s a warrior priest now, and that he’s probably heard numerous times from Kerillian that the Lady is Lileath, the fact he’s considering this speaks volumes as to his desperation.
It really shows how much thought and effort he's putting into this last ditch effort to help Sienna before the end.
8:16 Poor Saltzpyre, he truly cares about his comrades.
Genuinely surprised that Victor didint go nuts with rage in his conversation with necromancer sienna. God damn... its kinda sad... it seems like Victor was slowly gaining trust with Sienna over time, only for it to be broken in the end...😢
A recent lohner chronicle states that when they first found Sienna as a necromancer he did in fact go nuts with rage, 1-shotting elf, blocked by dwarf, and KO'd by Kruber. Only after they took the unconscious Saltz and Sienna back home were they able to talk through stuff.
@@aetherblackbolt1301 He's probably had time to realize that if he acts and kills Sienna then the U5 is over. At best Salty would be exiled from the group and forced to return to his witch-hunter order (as a self-proclaimed warrior of sigmar no less) while Markus, Kerillian, & Bardin try desperately to continue their work without his leadership + two people down.
@@amesnfire1098 funny enough Saltzpyre has the physical manifestations to prove to them that he was legitimately chosen to be a Warrior Priest of Sigmar, though knowing Warhammer, his order would probably still chalk it up to Chaos fuckery.
Victor eventually realised he's forced to play the Great Game, so he knows that killing Sienna means killing the Ubersreich Five and that means losing the Empire.
Which he, as a Sigmarite, can't afford.
Everyone is so far reacting as I expected. Kruber, while he has a bad past with necromancers, cares a lot about his friends/comrades wellbeing. Which he shows in his lines.
He also copes with his trauma by just going "well, it is what it is" or sidelining it with other things (drinking, cheering others up, making jokes, changing the topic.)
Bardin, he respects her still but magic is magic to him, as long as she is on their side he doesnt really care.
Kerilian being quite disdraught about it and mad at Sienna, as she is the only one she considers very close in this group (and even calling her a friend in her talk now).
And Saltzpyre, he grew closer to Sienna and got to trust her. He thought that his beliefs may have been wrong.. just to be proven that they were right. He's not mad, not really upset, just very sad about it. Because deep down, he wanted to believe that he was wrong. But only got proven right in the end..
I understand warhammer 40k is not meant to be a happy place but damn these slowly growing friends was a bright spark in the end of the world.
Honestly I see why people mock 40k sometimes by going GRIMDARK, sometimes it gets to silly yeeting baby levels of evil for no reason :/
@@MithrilRoshiThis is Warhammer fantasy, not 40k
Saltz was actually fucking livid when he found out. Full up wanted to kill her right there, but realized rather suddenly that *no one* would back him up if he tried.
Seems he mellowed out and is now less angry and more depressed about the situation. I imagine that if Sienna doesn't shape up, he won't hesitate to grant her Sigmar's mercy.
@@wolfclunas4736 I think it's partly due to the line about twins and necromancers that Kruber brought up, he likely figures there's a lot more at play than just Sienna losing it. In Warhammer, especially Fantasy, twins are said to share one soul, by killing her twin, the soul has been reunited within Sienna and both sides are struggling to be dominant as one is corrupted and the other not. Saltzpyre likely believes and very likely HOPES that something can be done.
I hope we get a map where we 'redeem' Sienna like the party discuss. Maybe not rid her of necromancy, but exorcise Sofia from Sienna at the very least. Could be a good way to have a Bretonnia themed map.
Exorcise Sofia. Give sienna back her sienna-y voice lines as we also get her coming to terms with her sister corrupting her magic and her having trouble channeling Aqshy anymore. It'd be great.
Ngl I'd be okay with just a Bretonnian map; but continuing Sienna & Markus' story-lines would be a nice bonus.
I wonder what that would mean. Does that mean these lines we were hearing are deleted and instead only reference when Sienna and Sophia were one? That means whoever bought necromancer after said mission would only hear mentions of this dialogue. I feel like the more realistic take is that Sienna dies. Whether it be herself, Sophia, or Saltzpyre
@@bruhman3649 i'd imagine there might be some sort of trigger or condition implemented to make sure the old voicelines are still around, but only BEFORE you free sienna from sofia in the new mission
These saltzpyre interactions have to be some of my favorites in the game. He almost sounds heart broken on what she’s become, he probably came to respect her and began to understand that she’s just a woman with fire powers and not an evil witch.
God the Ubersriek 5 are incredible characters.
It's definitely one reason why VT2 is so loved in the community compared to DT in my opinion.
There's no characters to care about in the latter.
@@amesnfire1098I'm pretty sure DT not being as loved is due to lack of content, not necessarily the characters, but it is a factor to it, yes
@@nameless6159there's enough content. The point is characters. In dark there's none, its no name characters, that have interesting interactions with others, but still, its no name vs no name. So they just can't have any relationship.
@@0DanteMayCry0 The lack of content is the most criticized thing about the game, again, the lack of characters is a reason to not be as loved like Vermintide but its theme is different and if I remember correctly, being a nobody in the world was one of the thing that people liked because its 40k
It's so sad they threw out great characters in favour of nameless nobodies in Darktide.
Saltzpyre be wanting to do an "I can fix her".
5:42 new favorite Kerillian quote
Kinda pained my hearth. I love Necromancer class but I definitely prefer old Sienna's character.
@@michastasinski2985wdym? She's still the same?
@@wealthybone2990she's supposedly possessed by her sister.
Like, it's not the same Sienna, Sofia seems to pull some strings there
@@FirstLast-wk3kc If you mean it like then I guess but she doesn't seem fully possessed but maybe influenced? Idk.
@@wealthybone2990 i ve meant something like that
Slow appearance on screen, bossfight music... I have a strong feeling that an adaptation of the relationship and the final duel between Victor and Sienna would attract more attention from the community than the fight between Karl Franz and Archaon.
Devs didn't want us Sienna mains having a 4th class, so now we have a new character lol
Sucks knowing that Sienna isn't Sienna anymore.
How do the careers work again in canon? Are all of them canon but just in different orders, or are they just possible paths the characters can take?
@@insaneyoohoo The defaults and DLC classes are canon i belive. Some, like Slayer or for Kruber Hunter, Unchained, Shade are what they "could" become. But ultimately they end up as the DLC classes i think seen how they all had cinematics
@@cherryrook8684 Kruber is a foot knight in Chaos Waste trailer...so..I'm not so sure.
@@captainburnos2828 True i did not consider that (completely forgot Chaos Wastes even had a trailer). Still i think its intended that they ended up as the DLC classes, for most its where they "find themselves". Well except Sienna. Maybe the timeline is different and they embark on the Chaos Pillgrimage first and then become those DLC classes after aquiring the scroll thing in the Citadel of Eternity ? Then again Chaos Wastes as a whole seems like a completely seperate thing, perhaps also a "what if" scenario and "not canon"
@@insaneyoohooAs I understand, they’re all alternate timelines for the sequel. They were all their respective default careers following the events of Vermintide 1, then either stayed with that career or went another path.
Kerillian: "Sienna is our friend."
The rest of the group: "Woah, Kerillian said the F-word!"
Saltzpyre pulled up like Low Tier God
Saltzpyre's entrance made me legit go "OHHHH shit!". Bro is squared up like hes about to cast bullet at 7th level right at her head.
8:58
This right here is just absolutely heart-rending. I can FEEL the mood of the conversation. These are two people who, against all odds, managed to form a strong camaraderie - a solid relationship which none of the two will admit to enjoying, even though they do. And it all just crumbles. These two human beings know that they can no longer coexist, that one will die at the hands of another. Saltzpyre WILL murder Sienna, granting her mercy is ultimately betraying the principles that drive Victor's existence.
And yet. And yet, when Sienna tauningly asks if Victor's "merciful, painless death" should make her feel better, Victor still lets out the words that show that he still cares. He still wonders if he could make his friend feel better at a very dark time. And Sienna humbly reassures him that she understands, and does feel a bit better. That despite it all, something is still down there, a sweet bit of friendship built on constant suffering, endured together - and it will make no difference at the end.
Heart. Rending.
This exact conversation legitimately put a tear down my throat. Sienna's under Sofia, somehow, or maybe both of the sisters thanks Viktor, wich is even more heartbreaking
You know you've gone down the slippery slope when even *Kerillian* is making stronger moral arguments than you.
I was told that this career wasn't Sienna, but rather her sister being playable. --I have been lied to.-- i guess there is a spark of truth to it if Markus is right.
This dialogue is quite great, thanks for uploading.
The animations and music you got is definitely something else.
It's very interesting that saltzpyre despite his duty as a witch hunter actually cares about sienna even though she turned to necromancy
You see, I didn’t find out until later that the rest of the Five had skimped on some of the details of how they found Sienna. The halo of blue-green flame about her body. The skeletons that burst from the snows to attack them when they drew nearer. Protecting her, or so Kerillian said, drawn by her mutterings. Not that a handful of rotten bones had any chance against my lot, but that’s scant consolation. There’s a word for the sort of wizard who raises the dead, even unconscious, and it ain’t a nice one.
It gets worse. Saltzpyre, who more than anyone knows a necromancer when he sees one, would have put Sienna out of our collective misery then and there but for the others. Knowing that Kerillian would never stand for it, he clobbered her first - making a lie of one of my recent assertions, I suppose - then squared off against Bardin. Would have been the end of the Ubersreik Five then and there but for one miscalculation on Salty’s part. Given how a necromancer did for Kruber’s old regiment back in the day, he assumed Markus would be right behind him. And he was, in a manner of speaking. With a rock.
Turns out it takes more than labels and superstition to shake Kruber’s friendship once it’s earned. Good for him.
Saltzpyre has serious 'I'm not angry, just disappointed' energy.
I love how this looks like RPG dialogs, reminds me of Pyre and Fire Emblem, for example.
My main inspiration was Pyre, my previous dialogue videos are even more obvious about it
this is...haunting. It shows how close the group has become, and how much it hurts them to consider what is to be
Aw man, Salts sounds so sad and dissapointed, telling the already crazy, unpredictable, killer flame crack granny that she went so down even whe he already considered her a threat (almost a friend). It punched my guts
Love that little touch of when everything fades out at 10:42, the only thing that stays on the screen is the word "possess", and the white lettering fades into a soulfire green. Very eerie, well done!
I do apreciate the use of When you're evil. One of my favourite songs.
Perhaps we will get a mission to excursise her? I find the dialogue of channeling both Sigmar and the Lady for a common cause facinating.
I love the Saltzpyer segment! It’s so characteristically accurate to how their encounter in the Keep might feel, extremely well done, all praise to you @Janfon1
Kerillian catching on to random Sienna's menacing laugh is hilarious 😆
Saltzpyre sounds so sad to see his friend become something he knows will have to become an enemy..
10:33 This is so well written, as it implies that Saltzpyre actually tolerates her out of generosity more than anything else and that he doesn't see this as getting "soft" at the same time. Interesting, for a witch hunter.
I’d… like to see you animate what happened when they found Sienna in the snow. Saltz’s eyes retreating into the shadow of his hat, as he cold-clocks Kerillian and turns his guns on Bardin and Sienna, only to get knocked out by Kruber with a heavy stone, leaving the dwarf and azumgi to cart their collective unconscious forms back to the keep.
Honestly, I think you’d absolutely nail that, given what I know of your work.
What's this from?
@@CaptainPellaeon Lohner’s Diaries. It’s like lore blurbs that tell you a little of what’s happening outside of the stuff you see and hear in the keep and on missions.
You can catch some of the dialogue in the final mission of the chapter where you assist with liberating a dwarf fortress. The mission starts with your ship crashing in a storm and through the mission you get tidbits of dialogue referencing their fight. I was wanting to see more about it.
It's heartbreaking how...*sad* Saltzpyre sounds.
It's as if he's already trying to come to terms with it--Sienna's taken a path that might never be undone. He sees it as only a matter of time before he has to kill someone he'd begun to see as a true friend.
Man, I love how you can feel their suspicion and concern, both for Sienna and to their personal goals and values.
These writers and actors could make a great WH show if given a chance
Timestamps:
00:00 Markus Kruber
02:21 Bardin Goreksson
04:06 Kerillian
06:36 Franz Lohner
07:34 Victor Saltzpyre
10:50 Group conversations
14:42 Outro
Music used:
The Talking Book - The Fallen
Silent Hill - Innocent Moon
Voltaire - When You're Evil
Hungry Ghosts - Three Sisters
Pyre - The Eight Scribes (Acoustic White Lute edition)
of one thing is common with those who practice the dark magic of Necromancy. *No Matter how the path begins, it ends the same way... In Tragedy.*
Nah man, nagash went from being a psycho to being a divine psycho with the best hat in any fantasy setting around, guys got it made. Necromancy only ends in tragedy for people who have morals and lack style.
@@realname8362 well That and he's not that dickhead mannfred.
Listening to a few of these and, is it just me or does Sienna even sound a bit.... Smoother??? Idk, My Fire witch usually has that gruff to her voice.
Sienna you better kick Sophia's ass.
Her tone is 100% diffrent. Smooth, perhaps even joyful.. Less serious
yeah, definitely sounds more like Sophia, I really hope Fat Shark keeps adding content so we can see where this arc goes!
Noticed this too, was very put off by it. If Sofia hasn't fully possessed Sienna, she's at the very least being haunted by her or maybe even fighting for control over her own body. Very interested to see how it all unfolds
You’d sound smoother from inhaling less smoke too.
Necromancy is the way for those who want power... Or someone who is desperate. For example, Frederick van Hull. He was a noble man who chose the path of necromancy as a last resort in the war with the Skaven. Gelman Gorst became a necromancer in a fit of despair when the disease took his whole family and he became obsessed with the idea of resurrection, which Manfred said goodbye to. Heinrich Kemmler was an ordinary peasant son. This already says a lot, being an ordinary person in the world of Warhammer is a sentence. And Henry decided from childhood to solve the problem of death. As for Sienna, she is most likely possessed by the spirit of Sofia (I'm more than sure Sienna is possessed by Sofia's spirit. With a lot of overheating, she often says - "No, all this is not right. It shouldn't be like this." As if after a long contact with magic, Sofia loosens her grip). But, at the same time, the End of Time has come - the world is collapsing and going crazy, she has lost her last relative and all her friends have changed a lot (in their new careers). All this can break many of us, but Sienna is persistent and could decide on a "last resort", like Balthazar Gelt. Yes, necromancy can be used in the name of good (like Balthazar and Frederick), but all "good necromancers" always end badly...
Gelt murdered an Elector Count, a bunch of Imperial solders, and almost got the Emperor killed by using Necromancy. He's not someone to look up to in this case...
@@LL-Tom Just a little more practice, darling... A little more practice...
This makes me very sad somehow. I hope the story of them doesn't end with this
Sadly due to bullshit more the story ends with the work they are on literally exploding
It ends with archaon winning, destoing the world and it becoming age of sigmar
@@PLpatriot999 It's inevitable at this rate.
@@PLpatriot999the Truest loss is the Empires funny hats
@@PLpatriot999 Well of course. But i would have hoped for better circumstances for the 5 than having one of the members be replaced by a fucking necromancer.
I like the details in Sienna's necromancer outfit, like the amulet (or is it a badge?) Of Khemrian manufacture on her chest.
Oh settra not gonna be happy about that
A hint for future DLC campaign perhaps?
This entire batch feels so sad
Its all tense, but its not from anger
Everyone's just disappointed and worried about their friend
In the end all undead and humankind did stand together against chaos because it was a fight for pure survival. All limits were off. Altdorf was defended with armies from nagash until the end.
@@Overlich Basically. Shit got so bad that Humankind had to stain their honor by relying on Necromancy to get a fighting chance.
@@nalrashidoand even if they did win they’d instantly have to deal with Nagash trying to pull making everyone a mindless thrall again and he’d probably win
I love how perceptive Kruber is despite him being considered a bit of a dullard by his compatriots and his overall simple approach to life. Man was the one to sniff out what's wrong with Siena when the paranoid witch hunter and the elf didn't even consider it.
I can imagine Bardin was referring to his son when saying he does want to see his lost loved ones again, but not in an extremely unnatural manner. The dwarf has his priorities in check, at least.
*Saltzpyre* straight-up suggesting a Holy Warrior Tag-Team to _redeem_ Sienna is honestly the single most unexpected character turn I've ever seen in Warhammer after 20 years in the hobby.
She….sh…… she said friend…… THE END IS NIGH !!!!!!!!! 12:04
"....oh wow, we *ARE* fucked."
the music and animating was really good
Stop it Marco, she is still dear Sof.....Sienna.
Saltzpyre's dialogue is so good, he went from being fervourous to completely losing all hope on Sienna with her necromancy.
Also Pyre's soundtrack is a fantastic choice.
My man's playing Voltaire When You're Evil, what a nostalgia trip for me.
Every U5 went through some faith/magic change while Bardin just started blasting
Thanks a bunch for once more uploading this type of content Janfon ! :)
I've been really curious about all these voice lines - and you made their introduction so much better with all the settings and music !
The dramatic shift to Saltzpyre, the comedy with Bardin, the group chat and the like all made this a really enjoyable video to watch :D
Keep up your amazing and holy work and I do hope to see more ! :)
the beginning of the conversation with Victor looks like start of boss fight
Victor had one job with Sienna, and now he has to become the villain in order to finish it. Just like how Sienna’s evil other forced her to begin this transition.
At 12:04, Kerillian says "uneasy", but the subtitle says "unsure"
I feel like it would be extremely unlikely given it's the end times, it would go against the fourth career which so far have all been the "final" states of the characters, and it would probably be really weird to script in a mission but I really hope we see some sort of plotline/map series involving an exorcism of sofia. I get that it's kind of the point but it feels like she doesn't deserve that bad of a fate.
Good job Jafon
Damn, now i really worried for her
They have Kruber WAY too chill with a necromancer being near him. He has PTSD from one killing his whole regiment and it doesn't come out at all here.
Kerellian's more upset than him. It's bizarre.
could just be the way he copes
@@xCheatahHow is it coping? He sounds like Sienna's taken up a bad drinking habit when he talks, not raising LITERAL CORPSES, or that she's now the same type of mage that wiped out his regiment.
This is mentioned in Lohners Chronicles, where Saltzpyre tried to kill Sienna upon their discovery of her in the middle of a ritual and knocks out Kerillian and almost Bardin, and assumed that because of his past, Kruber would be behind him, and he was... With a rock.
Lohner states that: "Turns out it takes more than labels and superstition to shake Kruber’s friendship once it’s earned. Good for him."
Kruber values his friendships above everything else. His worries about Sienna's well-being eclipse his past trauma.
well he is a grail knight now. I don't think he needs to be afraid of anything lesser than a greater daemon now.
6:20
I died
all while Saltzpyre dialogue revived me and put into grave from laughter again xD awesome
It's good to see when Kerillian drops her ego and manner to show her affection towards her friends.
I'm so glad you put the Plinkett voice in haha. No one's ever really gone!
Poor Victor, he sounds heart broken.
There we go, was waiting for this
07:34 boss theme starts playing
Poor Saltzpyre. The man finally broke out of a depressing spiral into madness, only to be confronted with someone he'd come to trust and care about become something he's sworn to destroy. He sounds so defeated and desperate.
Bardin and Sienna looking at each other after the resurrecting dead dwarf talk is hilarious
3:12
Yeah Sienna ain't Sienna no more. Time to light the pyre or get an exorcist.
Every opinion on the matter :
Markus : He think it's sus, not really concerned about his old PTSD (strangely) but more about Sienna and a spy among us !
Bardin : Don't like it but approve her choice.
Kerrilian : She hate it !
Lohner : Think she overstepped in her magic.
Victor : Ready to do his duty as a witch hunter but hold it because he care about Sienna.
On Markus' PTSD he's also had skaven (Ubersreik, his family, literally everything in the game), beastmen (fully prepared to die to blow up the warpstone), Sofia's tower shenanigans, and so on.
I figured he's probably more worried about Sienna than yet *another* item to add to his list.
Saltzpyre looks and sounds like he was fully ready to draw steel, depending on how the conversation went.
Under the stern and dutiful facade, he is very human.
3:20 Sienna looks so ominous for being so coy . Awesome job bro
I love how after the line at 01:03 finished up I paused the video to do a Mike Stoklasa impression of "No one is ever really gone" resumed the video and then you edited that line in perfectly. I was laughing my ass off. Thank you so much.
Saltzspyre always talked about one day needing to deal with Sienna.
It feels like he's worried that day is coming sooner than he'd like.
Yoooo! Amazing use of music to set the tone! and thanks for compiling these as usual!!
I got super excited when I recognize Voltaire, he's so underrated imo.
Saltzpyre is like that dad that says "I'm not angry, just disappointed".
it hurts.
Absolutely love the way Bardin and Sienna look at each other after she "promised" not to mess with his dead kin. Amazing touch.
I respect and enjoy the extra effort you put in on this.
The appearance of Victor resembles the arrival of some very charismatic hero from a short story. I am amazed to hear his icy statements about this.
i like how in 13:20 Saltzpyre implies the possibility of possession is actually *more* worrying to him then her just going full necromancy. Perhaps because it means that the right and moral solution to the problem is now significantly more complicated.
Oh poor saltzpyre...He sounds so sad at what sienna has become..