Why I'll never buy a Samsung TV
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This is one of the reasons why my next TV will be a monitor. No more smart TVs. You can easily put a dongle.
Yep, that's how I've essentially used "tv" since the late 90's - (ht)pc (or dvr functionality like sagetv), consoles etc hooked to tv. For the most part firmware updates are also unnecessary - I'd imagine most of these "ads" won't display without being connected to the internet, which is unnecessary for a monitor.
Give me a good display (low input lag, ghosting, contrast, DC or high-pwm rate dimming, etc), and I can do the rest myself. Hoping for a reasonable basic display if/when we get microLED in affordable sizes and prices.
Samsung service menu (accessible from old remotes, or IR-blasters on phones) "may" be able to disable this ad function.
Most of the time you'll pay at least twice as much money for a monitor and buying beyond perhaps 50" isn't really even possible. Plus, there's nothing saying that monitor manufacturers won't pull their own shenanigans at an moment.
I propose that more people just rake the manufacturers over the coals via social media at every possible opportunity. For whatever reason, it seems that Twitter pretty much rules everything today.
Especially since most dongles are way faster than the craptactic processors/software most smart TVs actually run. But if you use a dongle, it doesn’t actually need to be a monitor to skip the smart tv interface.
Yes same or Projector
@@nebulous962 - funny you mentioned projectors. My dad has one and uses it as his daily driver.
Non-skippable ads are an abomination. Keep fighting, Louis; we consumers need you.
@@catsbyondrepair I hope you get the 43 minute unskippable ad I got
@@catsbyondrepair oh I thought I payed for a TV, and cable for the shows, my bad. How many adds does the multimillionaire company needs to pay a minimum wage programmer to add a source signal menu to my tv?
IM CONSOOOMING
All ads you mean.
"You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy."
Welcome to the world of liberal progressives
@@Lasertrac sorry but as a liberal progressive we are quite against elites owning everything....
Collective ownership doesn't include personal property, just real estate.
The elites hijacked the concept and sold it to themselves.
@@Lasertrac and fyi 'right to repair' is a liberal agenda...
If the government says 'no' and you say 'yes' you are a liberal.
@@bmanagement4657 your logical fallacy is the no true scotsman. you cant call yourself a "liberal progressive" in 2021 and pretend to fight for freedom of choice and the little guy yet you share the same views as the establishment, the media, social media, hollywood, big tech who all censor anyone who disagrees with you.
who are you kidding? you ARE the elites. why do you think blue collar working stiffs are predominantly right wing? is it clicking in your brain yet?
"Collective ownership doesn't include personal property, just real estate. " spoken like a true commie. "collective ownership only counts where it doesn't inconvenience me"
so "progressive" you want to force the same failed ideas from the previous century in a new age hoping this time it would be different.
@@bmanagement4657 "If the government says 'no' and you say 'yes' you are a liberal." except for mask mandates, taking the jab, what kind of car you can drive, what kind of lightbulbs you can use, who you bake wedding cakes for, what gun you can own. cancel culture. should i go on?
riding on the coattails of people who believed in freedom more than your generation is pathetic. sorry, but the liberal "progressive" or whatever label you want to call yourself lost the argument about being in favor of the joe every man and personal freedom when you soyjaks crammed cov.id regulations down the american peoples throats.
There really needs to be a hard backlash and pushback against these practices.
^HA
@owo グーチmoshi :) I have an LG Smart TV that doesn't really advertise to me, but it has its own advertising ID so I am sure it's collecting data. I normally just plug in my laptop and watch stuff over HDMI. The one thing that irritates me is the constant prompts to update the TV's software.
There should plus the price of paying for service and longevity of product
Will not happen. People already have the options to have all nice things without this abuse. But they are not willing to even install Linux to get it, they rather opt into this practices than to think themselves and learn something new.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy”.
Klaus Schwab ‘World Economic Forum’
That’s insane. Many people would not realize this prior to making their purchase. Thank you from bringing this to light. What a bunch of BS
^BS please
Stick with LG, they have better TVs anyway.
HA!
@@09f9 Ah, find the 5G antenna inside it and either desolder it, or cut the tracks. Of course it'll probably brick itself if it can't phone home for 30 days. Sod it. Just stick with the old sets, keep your old sets if you buy a new one, so they don't end up smashed on landfills. Keep them because one day a lower-res smaller TV will be a better choice than a bigger cheaper one that demands you bend over for it's endoscope attachment every morning, so Kelloggs can check you're eating their cereal (every 5th cornflake has a chip on it).
Or else just switch the damn thing off, haven't watched TV for years. The Internet is entertaining enough, and torrents seem to finally be the indestructible way of sharing video, so get your TV that way.
The screenshot is from a section where samsung offers free movies with ads around it. You have to go out of your way to get there. Samsung tvs don't have ads, I've used tizen since release and haven't seen a single ad on the base TV hud
If I don’t actually own it, then the makers should give the device to me for FREE. Don’t ask customers to pay a single penny.
If I don't own it, they should pay me retail rent for keeping their market portal in my house.
I think that kind of business model will come in future.
Get a free TV and for one hour of entertainment you will have to watch 2 hours of ads. ^HA
@@GhostsOfSparta The world's turning into Black Mirror fast enough...I bet it'll be 3 hours of ads to 1 hour of TV. :|
Isn't microsoft already doing that with the XBox?
Facebook is doing something like this with their VR headset. They're selling their headsets practically at cost just in order to get control over your entertainment.
It’s pretty sad that right to own is even a question that needs to be asked.
You will own nothing and be happy.
Say hello to communism
Imagine telling someone from the 00s and early 10s that they will need to regularly run virus scans on their television if they don't want their contact information and identity stolen.
Ah, antivirus software, another entire business that sales snake oil. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Samsung just put out that statement because they get money from McAfee or one of the others to advertise buying their snake oil software for their TVs.
If someone doesn’t know, antivirus software isn’t particularly well or securely designed (which I find ironic) regularly breaks the security of other software (e.g. browsers) and often opens your system up with more attack vectors (mostly bugs in the parsing of files that can lead to remote code execution attacks). Of course it also runs with elevated privileges so the attackers code will execute with system level privileges. Feeling safer already?
How do you even run an Anti-Virus on your TV ?
@@terrata1 If it's Android tv then they're gonna put a full fledged tv manager application with junk cleaner and antivirus scanner in it. So stop buying smart tv or Just don't use its android based service...your phone is enough. Watch cable or satellite tv or Chromecast it....just don't connect your tv with the internet.
This started with dvds, when you tried to skip ads to the film menu it would say 'prohibited by disk' - a problem only faced by paying customers. No wonder piracy was rife.
Those DVD ads were movie premier ads not general ads and that was from the get-go of any DVD player.
Thats why the first thing I did with a newly purchased DVD was to rip it.
One of the many reasons I prefer LaserDiscs
The famous "BTO vulnerability" - "better than original". It always irks me that legitimate users are the ones that are punished with anti-piracy messages. Also, has anyone in history ever been sued for showing a home use DVD on an oil rig?
@@danieldaniels7571 LaserDisc is for rookies. VHS is where it's at!
My cousin returned his. When they asked why, he told them it was defective and kept running ads. They were confused until someone who actually knew the product clued in and said most of them do that now. Cuz told them he did not buy a tv so it could feed him ads, give me my money back. We ended up mounting his old plasma tv back where it was. Complete waste of a Saturday.
Tell him to look for a "display" instead of a television. It's like having a non-smart TV.
@@infinityryvus Sceptor still sells dumb TVs. Makes sense as the started as a monitor company.
to be honest a basic 1080p plasma does 90% of the job. alot of new age tv stuff is marketing crap
Ali 32bit yes. I still use my ten year old LG 50". I've had to recap the ps twice, but otherwise it works just fine as a video display. I'll probably have to recap Cuz' plasma as it was starting to have power on issues: the reason he was looking at a new TV.
@@steen8156 what is going on there that you need to replace caps so often
I considered myself a tech enthusiast until years ago when I saw how badly designed things are; this is just user-hostile. I'll never own a smart TV.
User-hostile is the new trend.
Wouldn't surprise me if they stop making regular TV sets.
Keep in mind: things are _not_ badly designed. They are well designed for their purpose - it's just that their purpose is no longer _you._
@@KillahMate If the purpose of the product isn't the user, then it's badly designed.
@@watamatafoyu I think I'd say that it's more that we are not the users here. We're more like part of the product.
I've been researching new TVs lately, wanting to replace my 12 yr old plasma for no other reason than it's not new and shiny. This makes me appreciate my "dumb" TV more than ever.
@KAPT Kipper good point. I currently run everything through my receiver to work around the minimal hdmi ports
The combo of HA and BS is such a nice cherry ontop. Almost comical, I loved that intentional or not.
I can imagine his tweet, " BS? Is this some sort of inside joke?"
Samsung: "We are completely serious about the concerns of our customers, none of this is should be construed as malice JFC"
"Enjoy your new TV" SMD
I'd have loved it even more if the guy's name was something like Fred Ulrich
Completely intentional
I guess Fred Urban was at lunch.
In Futurama, advertisers found a way to show their products in your dreams, and everyone accepts it as a part of life. It'll only be a matter of time before that joke about invasive ads become a reality :/
The second thing that will be done once we can influence dreams, after its invention of course
Not the dream quote, but one of my fav and still very relevant.
Fry : I just saw something incredibly cool! A big, floating ball that lit up with every color of the rainbow, plus some new ones that were so beautiful I fell to my knees and cried.
Amy Wong : Was it out in front of Discount Shoe Outlet?
Fry : Yeah.
Amy Wong : They have a college kid wear that to attract customers.
Fry : Well, I don't care if it was some dork in a costume. For one brief moment, I felt the heartbeat of creation, and it was one with my own.
Amy Wong : Big deal.
Bender : We all feel like that all the time. You don't hear us gassing on about it.
Here is the dream one.
Leela: Didn't you have ad's in the 20th century?
Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines. And movies. And at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No siree!
@@Greg501- wha- what's the first thing 😳
Futurama's writers are smart. That joke was probably a logical extrapolation of what was th norm back when the show was airing in the 2000s.
In the same vein, some printers may seem to have a low price, but they get you on the price of the ink. These same printers won't print in black if one of the color tanks is empty. And it's not really empty.
One better: Epson C40UX unexpectedly stops printing with a cryptic error message once the "waste ink" cube of felt is considered (by the internal counters) to be full of ink, until you either manage to drag it to a "service center" or you Google the error code, locate and download the service tool, and reset the fucking counter (without ever touching the felt cube) yourself. Joy!
Or, won't print without their brand of ink.
Worked at an office max. Some printers have long ink lines that get purged between power cycles/calibration/whatever. Printheads need to be run once a week to keep from clogging. When you start any print a bit of ink gets pushed out to clear the pores and it's likely too much. Inside the cartridge the ink is kept in bags, which may be necessary but it's usual to open them and recover 15-30% of the capacity. Ebay resellers do this, the manufacturer certainly does this when you recycle your old ink.
Go back 10-20 years and it's more likely you'll open a printer and find multiple motors and non proprietary components that you don't need their software to use. It's extremely cost optimized now and printers can be broken down into a heap of plastic, some metal rods, and a motor, essentially waste for the landfill. I would compare it to old CRTs that get trashed at record rates.
Replace ink? Nah. Just replace the damn printer for less
When in doubt, go commercial. Digital signage screens are just glorified “dumb TVs”. Most are even better than regular TVs since they include amplified speaker jacks and are rated for 16/7 or 24/7 operation!
I just installed 9 TVs for commercial use in an office.
Only "smart" feature which might be used there is casting.
The rest will be through computers.
Ummm... Sometimes those TV's are crap. We have one in a meeting room at work and it is so grainy that I can't actually read the text on it if the text is the size of normal closed captioning. Also the frame rate doesn't need to be as high so it may have different electronics that aren't made for video content and rather signage. You still have to be careful. I actually helped my parents pick out a new tv 2 years ago and my mom was going for a smart tv and I stopped her and told her to get the cheaper Sceptre which didn't have any "smart" features at the time.
the screens of 99.9% of commerical units unless you're going really high end are far worse than even cheaper TV models because you're not going to be streaming 4k or 8k content on them but putting out slides with charts and shit the majority of the time. Refresh rate,resolution, dimming, brightness everything is just far far worse.
On our Samsung TV they enabled the ads about one year after we purchased it (when it was released), so reviews couldn't even negatively remark these ads.
Can't you use an external Roku or similar and just use the TV as a monitor?
I have an LG and don't recall seeing any ads. Admittedly it's been less than a year, so it's possible they will try to shove ads in the future.
@@mapl3mage I have a 2 year old lg 49” 4K and have yet to see any adds
@@HamishMcIntosh that's great to know, thanks!
@@mapl3mage I have an LG TV and LG will install promoted apps automatically. They also randomly enable interpolation, and the setting will show it's disabled, but you actually have to toggle it for it to be really disabled. This is with auto-updates disabled. You have little control over the TV settings. On the upside though, it tells you if you're looking at HDR or not.
Economists: Advertisements exist to sell products.
Advertisements: You're enjoying your new TV, but wouldn't you like a new TV for your new TV?
The purpose of advertising is to convince people to buy things they don't need.
😂😂😂
Vertaxis Nemo YES, YES
Hahahaha
Reminds me of the washing machine ads I'm getting, regularly
From the company where I bought my washing machine ~2 years ago, with a 5 year warranty 😆
If it failed, I wouldn't _buy_ a new one.
And if I have to replace it within 10 years, then I got bamboozled with shit quality, so then I'd absolutely **not** buy another one from that vendor, ever 🤣
Nowadays, a lot of advertising is actually not even intended to sell products directly. It's actually to promote brand recognition, if Apple (as an example) bombards you with ads 24/7 that just remind you that Apple exists, next time you want to buy a new phone, the first thing to come to your mind will be Apple. Other brands will have less headspace in your brain.
This is honestly something that Congress or the courts really need to bring up. But then again I'd be willing to bet some are totally on board with the Great Reset.
I have seen this on a few TVs I purchased over the last few years, solution is easy enough: Don't connect them to wifi. Mine are paired with HTPC's, so I'm only using the HDMI input anyways. This obviously won't help if you bought them for smart features though. Basically, if you buy a TV for it's smart capabilities, be ready to pay with your data or eyeballs.
Facts!
I remember when cable TV came out. The big selling point of cable was there were no commercials whatsoever. Is was purely subscription based. What a mess of advertising we have now.
I keep telling people this. I'm old enough to remember it but everyone is so brain washed they don't believe it.
I used to pay for the benefits of cable, but it just kept getting more and more expensive with more and more ads. Now they are just pushing more and more of us away every day.
@@OneAdam12Adam im only in my 20s and this is the first im hearing of this because its all ive ever known. there really used to be no ads on cable?
@@billiamc3281 Of course.. the purpose of ads was free broadcast. Does it makes sense to you paying twice?
Walgreens just replaced a bunch of their frozen food section glass doors with televisions so they can play ads down the entire aisle as you walk down at... And so I will never shop at Walgreens now and encourage other people not to.
A simple way to protest this, albeit very douchey for the energy infrastructure/environment, would be to leave the fridge kicked open at every walgreens. One month with a $10,000 electric bill would quickly change management's mind on this measure.
Its like minority report
@@rossmanngroup 😂 that is indeed a douchey move though quite funny at the same time
It's the same shit at the gas pumps that's slowly been creeping more and more into being the norm for the last few years. Can't even pay for (and be screwed by the prices of) GASOLINE without also being propositioned and slowly brainwashed to spend even MORE money, everywhere you turn. It's like friggin' Inception.
i struggle to see how this can be effective...must be a large percentage of the population in your area that are functionally retarded
I've recently played Cyberpunk 2077. And there is this tiny detail - where when you park your car and get out of it, all the interior gauges / monitors start displaying ads. Guys, I don't think we need to wait till 2077. We're already there.
I am surprised they didn't release a DLC where after you pay you get the finished version :D.
Let me tell you something even worse (imo) :
Someone I my family bought a Samsung TV less than an year ago. Now they needed to move not to far away, but in another country. Their current TV provider doesn't use a set top box, but an app for Samsung TV store. Now the fun part: because they bought the physical TV in another country, they cannot access the store to download the app to watch regular, local TV channels. Resetting to factory defaults didn't help. Samsung says you basically can't use their store on a TV from another country.
"Samsung even recommends that you run antivirus and malware checking on your TV regularly."
Fwiw I'd argue that unremovable banner ads in the menus is a form of malware.
I never thought I'd see the day that a TV needs antivirus and malware scans...
I suppose, if you can't stop your TV from automatically attaching to your dumbass neighbor's wide-open wifi, the next option would be to block their ad servers at the router, or connect to the internet through a Pi-Hole.
@@dashcamandy2242 Duh... "smart TV" is just another way of saying "flatscreen with a computer built in". And the ONLY safe computer is one which isn't running at all, or at the very least have NO connection to the outside world... like the Internet.
A TV should need anti-malware only as much as a thermos needs atari games built in to it.
Smart TV aka giant non-touch screen Android tablet
I'm fine with Samsung owning my TV, as long as I get it for free. I would also appreciate it if they'd pay me monthly to have it.
yes please. my mind space isnt free
I really wish companies that want to go to a rental model would understand this. If you pay up-front, it's no longer theirs.
Yeah fuck them. You want my data? Pay for it.
That's how it's should be when they show ads.
😂😂
Now that there is a trend for advertising to pay for everything - how much do manufacturers increase the price of everything to cover their marketing costs? To advertise a product a manufacturer has to pay a content distributor - and that has to be a cost that is included in a product list price. or within a subscription. It is a form of hidden taxation in fact.
I had no idea this was going on. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'm never buying a Samsung television until they abandon this practice.
I recently bought a new TV here in New Zealand. Judged things "just right" and got a 4K 55-inch "dumb" set for about US$250 -- just before the prices skyrocketed as a result of the chip shortage. It is not at all smart and in my setup it acts as just a dumb monitor. I don't watch broadcast TV (life is far too short). Netflix, Disney+ and Amazon Prime are handled by my Chromecast (no ads) and my large archive of ripped DVD/BluRay disks are handled by a Rasberry Pi running Kodi. A BluRay player takes care of the few disks I've yet to rip.
No ads to be seen anywhere... and because I've ripped most of my DVDs/BluRay disks I don't even get that annoying crap they add to those disks... you know _"you wouldn't download a handbag..."_ etc. The only annoying thing is that Amazon Prime keeps advertising its own content before it plays a video *I* have decided to watch. Even that is unacceptable.
but its a big screen way bigger than ipad or monitor
4k dumb?! it exists??? NAME IT. please, I really don't want a smart tv but its near impossible to find anything else
What version of PI are you using?
Every time you rip a movie from the disc you bought, you take away this extra's job. He keeps getting laid off because of you. The producer can sense when you put the disc in your computer tray and begins looking at the extra.
@@BungieStudios And it's the same guy.
Don't these people think about this same guy's life?
Why don't you have empathy!!!
Samsung quietly introduced this on their smart phones. I experienced it first hand and was quite frankly shocked to see advertisements on a device I paid for in full outright. Seems that has worked it’s way onto their tvs as no one noticed it on the smartphones
Oh, I noticed it. Rooted the phone and extracted all their crap. Now, I don't even consider their phones when it's time for a new one.
Windows also puts adds in the start menu... It's horrible. But at least you _can_ remove them.
Love or hate Apple, but they simply don’t do this. Maybe some “suggestions” on iCloud storage options, but never a straight up ad for a product they don’t own.
@@AndreSomers But you can't uninstall the Cortana spyware.
@@WooferCooker Ehem... YET!
7:15 I'm not sure what you did to make your monitor creep into the shot and then back away, but it made me laugh.
Thanks iv learned something today, and that's is the would is goin crazy, thanks for your video, I didn't even realise this and I was looking at a new TV last night 👌🏻
This was my number one complaint about the Xbox one when I purchased it… seeing ads on the Home Screen on a device that I purchased over a service I paid a monthly fee for, put me over the the top. I saw an ad for shoes and immediately turned the Xbox off. That night I went down the rabbit hole and set up an adblocking dns server, etc. It was the final straw that pushed my lazy butt into getting a little bit more serious about what I tolerated from all of the tech giants.
I opted out on 'extended features' on my Sony smart tv after I realized that all they did was overlay ads on tv shows lol. Not that I watch tv nowadays, tv channels are full of ads also. All I use on it is the Netflix app and external hdmi for my mac.
Things I don't ever want on my TVs:
-Any ability to send data upstream to the corporate overlord
-Any sort of camera
-Ads
-A user account or any other PII (face scans, fingerprints, voice print, password)
Exactly, at no point does my tv need to upload.
Same with my toaster. F the "internet of things".
Do you have a smartphone?
@@Nah_Bohdi Remember the true name: "The Internet Of Things That Should NOT Be On The Internet."
I repeat, do you guys by a chance use a smartphone? It had all of the mentioned things, and more!
I'm guessing in the future you'll be able to pay 9.99 a month for no ads.
100%
Just like UA-cam!
Thanks for the heads up. I will be looking at other options as I currently need a new tele-screen.
"You will own nothing and be happy."
- World Economic Forum
I honestly thought that the WEF is a UN-esque thing, maybe even a division of the WTO or some economic organisation. But their whole Davos thing and sponsors brought light to how it's just an optics/messaging organisation for the mega rich and corporations. Fuck em lol.
Yeah, I'd bet they even meant it both ways in that we will be so damn broke we won't own anything and what we will "have in our physical possession" will be under direct control of someone else and therefore, owned by them.
Have all those people who praise that unholy phrase shot, all of them. In the afterlife they will be happy.
Communism v2
Was about to comment this
This is why a TV will ever only be a HDMI display for other devices, like a PC, media players, consoles and a receiver
They will start putting ads on monitors in the future too if no law puts a stop to this.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they add software to analyze what you are viewing at some point so they can 'improve' your experience. The world is becoming a strange place and spies are everywhere these days.
I buy TVs for work all the time and it is getting genuinely difficult to get large scale TVs without "smart" garbage foisted on you. I'm not far away from going to commercial screens by someone like Planar even thought they're 3x the price.
@@gearyae My Sharp is set to input HDMI3 and stays that way, I never see anything else on it
@@timvangenechten5258 This assumes an online-only requirement will fly with customers.
Yep this is how you do it. Do not connect the TV to the internet and only use it as a monitor. Firmware update should be done by USB.
Very informative, much appreciated.
I recently purchased a Hisense TV and love it, however, ive also noticed it seems to do something the old TV didnt, and that is display the Channel DOG in the corner in a large size. We should be able to turn that off also!
I still use a Galaxy S7 for my phone. I have no need to upgrade. It has a headphone jack, SD slot, average sized S model smartphone, and when specs are compared to any of Samsung's budget phones within the past few years it still holds up over all of them. Maybe when they release a budget phone with higher dpi, resolution, camera megapixils, while still keeping a headphone jack and sd slot I'll upgrade.
2:15 "If you didn't pay full price, if you got a coupon for 200 or 500 off and they're advertising to you, fine" The issue I see with this is that if it gets considered an acceptable reason to display ads on your TV, every manufacturer is just going to raise the price by $200-$500 and then constantly have the TV on "s ale" by that amount so they can make every model sold an "ad supported" model.
Yeah, in my opinion it is not acceptable under any circumstance. It's not even my TV and I'm disgusted.
And it wouldn't be so bad if the data caps weren't still a thing for a lot of users... of course, it'd still be bad, obviously.
Thumbs up - thinking the same way
"you will own nothing and be happy"...
I also think that this is a people's fault kind of - right now people should show the finger to any company doing that and not buy anything from them. But they are not doing that... This is being seen everywhere and mostly in games for a long time now
@@SuRmUs2 The problem is people tend to be complacent and don't care about something until it personally effects them. The vast majority complain about those who are always "whining" about DRM for example until it finally bites them in the ass one day.... and then they realize nobody listens to them when they change their mind that DRM is bad. This is just one example, but the world is full of such cases where people just don't care about something until it personally effects them.
There is also the issue that there is a LOT of shit going on in the world right now, and some people don't have the luxury to worry about "little things" like this since the possible loss of their job/house is on the line. I mean, who would care that a phone is not repairable when they have to worry about being homeless? It's no coincidence that in the last two years companies have gotten FAR bolder with such anti-consumer practices than before.
Phillips did it first. They patented and sold TV's that have a "feature" which prohibits people from switching channel, lowering volume or powering the device off, during ad breaks. And people just accepted that as "oh well that's how things are these days, we just go in the kitchen during that time".
That's just disgusting.
"I want a refund. It's defective. It won't turn off when I hit the power button."
power off at the wall here, then id send the thing back,
@@theamerican7080 You mean open it and randomly apply 240V to parts?
Otherwise I don't see what it would do other than running the TV.
How did they justify that?
"Right to own" is exactly why I'll never subscribe to music streaming services.
I never buy anything that allows anyone else to have any control over it after the payment. None of that "just disappears from your library one day" bullshit. It's all on my PC. You don't get to touch it anymore.
Spotify is quite decent if you listen a lot btw. After all I find almost anything there with superb quality. Can listen to it even while on a train with low coverage (not a fast one).
I am tv shopping tonite. I see most Amazon reviews are quite negative about the remote/UI/non intuitive nature of their new TV’s…especially if 4K. Add ads on top of that and am seeing they futility of a smart TV. Perhaps I will just jam my fire stick in the side of a 1080p monitor and hope the aspect ratio works out. Thanks Louis for helping me see the light and for doing what you do.
As it is now, I find "normal" commercial television repugnant. The advertising is like acid in my eyes. The thought of watching a news broadcast is tantamount to torture now.
I am constantly amazed at the technological advances in televisions and other unpatented devices, yet for all the advancements, I think humanity is not any better off from the supposed improvements. Built in obsolescence, unrepairable products, lack of true ownership... Corporations have gotten completely out of control.
I am still just waiting for the first corporation to declare itself a nation like in Shadowrun. When that happens, the dystopian corporate future will have arrived.
"first corporation to declare itself a nation" - Facebook went most of the way there already.
@@mariushusejacobsen3221 I'm more figuring Amazon, but it's an arms race for that either way.
The advertising was already stupid and irritating before, but now they have added a lot of politics to it as well.
I like the Shadowrun reference... Your underlying point is spot on. I think the issue is due to a dumbed-down society. Too many stupid people who use the "if you've got nothing to hide then it shouldn't be a problem" argument about personal data harvesting, and are too stupid to get their heads around the dangers of corporate monopolies (if it means they get a "bargain" on Amazon then they don't care if Amazon acts badly). They are prepared to throw away our rights without having the slightest understanding of how, historically, our rights were hard fought won. I also agree about advertising: I hate it. I allow very little advertising into my life in any form. But most people are moronic zombies who don't even think about issues like this. They just consume. And unfortunately this is only going to get worse before it gets any better. If it ever does get better. Most politicians (and corporations) WANT a dumb society. The less informed you are the more susceptible you are to sales/propaganda.
If you're THE Tyler Durden; STOP peddling propaganda!
If you're not THE Tyler Durden, I'd change your screen name. If it's your real life name, you can legally change it...
So even when Louis is talking about smart TVs, he is still talking about real estate _(that is the real estate taken up by ads on the screen)._
That's what happens when he tries to talk about televisions on a real estate channel.
@@InventorZahranHow long will it take untill he starts talking about occupied bikelanes, during a PCIe-lane boardrepair?
And when will he compare lightning dongles to outdoor dining sheds?
@@sasjadevries It's NYC, so some PP buses have rubber tires.
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I was really happy with hardware that Lidl sold. Now they sell a drill without battery, for the same price.
They expect you to buy a $20 battery separately, as well as a separate charger.
But I expect, a lot less people are going to buy that stuff, and it looks like it's lying around in the store a lot longer.
Oh ... I prefer a drill with power chords. They're stronger and there's always a wall socket nearby anyway.
For me it started with a Sears washer i bought in the early 2000s. They had this feature for diagnostics if the washer failed. I got "weirded out" by it when Sears started sending me emails advertising their extended warranties and newer models when the chip started throwing errors but still ran. I refused to use their service because they hounded me for years but luckily they sold off that repair business and subsequently closed a few years later.
My favorite example of this is the Samsung "smart" Samsung washing machines. Where if it does everything possible to get you to install Samsung's bullshit application for controlling it. And, if you really don't want to, if anything goes wrong, it doesn't give you an error code. It demands that you install the application to get the error code via the application.
What's the catch? The application for controlling the washing machine requires a ridiculous number of permissions, including access to your dialer, contacts, and a bunch of other stuff that it has no business asking for.
It sucks you can't even buy a freaking dashcam these days without finding out (after you open it) that it's completely non-functional with installing an app with permissions you would never accept. I bought one that needed an app (it has no screen at all), and it REQUIRES that you give it access to run a VPN on your phone. So they need ALL my mobile traffic routed through their servers to set up a dashcam? Eff that. That's why I keep my old phones and use one with nothing personal on it just for this purpose. And uninstall the app immediately after as well. Hell, the McDonald's app requires access to your contacts. Immediate uninstall. And they have their poor employees all greet you at the drive-though with "will you be using our app today?" No. No I most certainly will not.
@@ShawnMilo I would have just returned that dash cam and bought another one. There's quite a few reputable ones that don't require an app.
@@NiSE_Rafter ....for now. You must be quite young. It's simply a sign of things to come. "just buy something else" is merely a stopgap solution when the opposition has is incredible profits for the corporations involved.
After all, why just sell a product once when you can force the installation or an application that will spy on you so they can sell that data as well?
And, it's not as if opting out of the data collection will do much. Take Samsung applications preloaded on your phone. They can be told to not collect until you're blue in the tits, but they rely on Google Analytics. So, if you opt out, they can always just get that data from Google instead. And it's completely above board because they didn't collect the information from you.
Mucked up!
rooting and installing xprivacy is just so frustrating but very eye opening to see when apps ask for all these insane permissions!
When I was a kid, I have seen this Dutch series called (translated) "Let the fish watch TV" ("Laat de Vissen maar TV Kijken") where the story line was utterly absurd. In the story, it was compulsory to watch TV all day long. So you had even a small TV mounted on your bike, etc. (this was mid '80s) Kids had to find ways to cheat so they could do kids stuff like playing outside etc. Just to fool the grown-ups into believing they were watching TV as they should.
Now, I'm not so sure anymore whether this still is an absurd idea of a movie plot, or becoming reality.
@@gorak9000 That or it was conditioning all along.
I have an LG OLED TV. It has some "Smart" something or other built-in. I dunno, I just don't connect it to the internet. Seems simple enough.
Louis, I love your channel for several reasons, but I find it most helpful for me to stay up on the latest technology trends. My dad is an example of what happens when you fall behind, and he's too old to catch back up. Thanks for the content!
I had to watch commercials for decades until the advent of DVRs. I'm not going back! What Mr. Rossman described is an absolute purchase killer.
Not if you hook up a gaming console. I never see a ad on my tv. I have a Samsung smart tv.
Louis just made a professional version of my Dad bitching at the new TV in his recliner.
It is very interesting to see that the companies concerned are doing their best not to say that they own the product once you bought it..... If they did it could probably be considered a rental/lease agreement and they would be liable for repair and maintenance! At some stage this is going to end up in court and either decision is going to have a major negative Impact on the producer
Excellent video bro !!!! completely agreed
Seems like they haven't realized yet that TV is close to dead, and we'll have adblockers everywhere.
oh they know and they are scared.
Until they come to me on my terms on how I want to be advertised to, I will not accept it at all, period.
Yeah, I haven't watched any real TV in the classic sense for about 15 years. If I use a television, it's merely as a glorified monitor. All the smartness is in the media player device which I installed with open source software containing zero ads.
@@alexanderthomas2660 fellow there. I'm in the process of moving to Arch Linux rn.
Thankfully a ton of my suites I use are already FOSS or are supported on Linux.
Until they stop the services from working unless you disable the adblocker 😠
@@OutOfNamesToChoose tbh if they did that I would stop using them.
we are constantly just bombarded with ads on a day to day basis, it's dehumanizing.
Couldn't agree with you more! Love your videos! Say hi to your gorgeous black kitty!
A while back (not sure if they still do) In the UK, garages that sells 4x4 vehicles with spare wheel at the back, sell also spare wheel cover. Some are free. These covers have the garage name, address and telephone on it. So you are buying a brand new car advertising that garage..
Another garage sell used cars with their garage logo name on the back of vehicle next the car models name. It's a crap logo as well.
As about the Samsung TV. Totally agree.
Just wait until they broadcast ads into your dreams like Futurama called it back in 1999.
I'm totally down for some Lightspeed Briefs.
Ok, I am WAITING for that day to happen so I can take my dream camera in there and film myself trolling the SHIT out of them. Bring it on, you stupid rubber cucumbers!
Hypno-Toad when?
Or Blip-verts like in Max Headroom back in the 80s. They only triggered spontaneous combustion in a small percentage of viewers, so they were fine. /s
Opperating systems installed on hardware is something you should own too. And if they don't want to give you the software. You should have the ability to install another os if you want. Just like your pc.
The problem i see is that big companies are bullying you into giving in.
NEVER let them stick the tip in.
1) I can understand locked down software in the business model consoles use, but that by itself is predatory (see printers).
2) Vizio has been sued for GPL violations.
GNU/linux all the way!
That, and the hardware being as limited is why I pity Mac users. At least with a machine designed
to run Windows you can replace anything that's not a proprietary part
@@RadikAlice Other than the W11 fiasco, there typically isn't any need to specifically design a machine to run wine-dows, so most hardware is just general purpose. M$ got at least that much right
@@233kosta Yeah, sorry.
Even when trying to get that point across the difference is so stark I have a tough time mentally decoupling their OS from the hardware
Hey Louis, check out the Motorola One 5G Ace. It's still a tad bit on the chunky side, but it does have a microSD card slot and a headphone jack too while also being a seriously awesome phone on a budget...the only things you're missing out on if you're into them is wireless charging and I think OTG does not work on this phone model.
Coming from a video game and movie collecting background, which is now 50% digital download/or streamed (you pay a small fee "forever"), I could have have told you a couple of years ago, that all companies were looking at this route.
I told people to keep their physical copies...
_"It's one thing for the programming itself to come with ads..."_
Is it? If I pay for cable, why must I see ads? Little wonder cord-cutting is accelerating...
I think in most situations your payment goes to the cable provider. The ads are for programing creators. You could get some channels for free over the air since the ads pay for the programming for those channels.
@@spidythe Not necessarily. The ABC (the definite article, you might say) has zero ads, due to being entirely publicly funded, to the tune of around AUD$800M per year. It's beloved by the Australian public, and a sure-fire way for the politicians to get a metaphorical flamethrower fired in their direction is to suggest privatising it.
@@spidythe way back when cable TV started, people said, "why should I paid for TV programs when I can watch it for free?" The cable companies replied, "so you can watch it commercial free." They were like Netflix is today. They paid content creators from the subscription fees.
Doesn't matter if you 'cut the cord' even the streaming services are starting to put ads into the service you pay for. Especially Hulu I hate Hulu.
Cable tv was created for the purpose of not seeing commercials. You paid a sub to compensate. Now here we are watching 60 minute programs that are really only 30 minutes.
I’m “that guy” still using a Panasonic CRT TV because it still works great.
AIWA CRT FTW. Works fine for me. HD is incredibly overrated - I'm not watching pictures move for their resolution...
Good on you ! Don't you just love quality hardware ?
I used a Toshiba Bomba crt until 2017, now I just have a Dell monitor with a Chromecast.
I'm still rocking a Panasonic plasma, one of the last ones they made (2013). Still going strong, and contrast is better than any LCD TV set out there. I won't upgrade until OLED TVs come down in price.
@@HaggardPillockHD *Hang in there. Your Pana Plasma is a gem.*
My phone (Assurance U693CL android 9) has today2news popping up every day and I can't stop it. This video reminds me of that. Thanks for listening.
I don't always watch your videos, but seeing the title just made me write this: here in Latvia, the latvian translations for Samsung ads are horrendous - and it's been going on for some 2-3 years now. Almost to the point where you might think a person who has never held a phone, a computer, a camera in hands, or been closer than 10 meters to a TV or washing machine (absolute ignorance of any related proper terms), has fed the English text into a seventies fax machine and gotten the result which he/she then happily submitted to the customer - the official distrubutor/representative of the giant Samsung in Latvia. Truly amazing. And Samsung does not seem to care the slightest. How do you say WELL DONE in (south) korean?
World Economic Forum: "You will own nothing, and be happy."
Consoooomers: "That's bad. OK, welllp, I'm off to the store to lease my yearly smartphone."
No its, Im off to the store to buy my new iphone
@@OM-bs7of are you really buying that iPhone when the software you're allowed to run on it, and the modifications/repairs you're allowed to perform on it are dictated by the company who sold it to you? If they stop shipping software updates or refuse to sell you a replacement component, you're the proud new owner of a $1000 brick. That's what OP means by "lease", it's hyperbole highlighting the spurious nature of most EULAs/TOS.
@@tissuepaper9962 BINGO. Even if you pay cash, it's still a lease for the reason(s) you stated. People have a hard time grasping this, or are just in denial.
@@tissuepaper9962 Yeah, That's pretty accurate. Same issue everywhere. EULA and ToS are some of the most archaiac schemes ever. Take Videogames, For example. Even if you bought the full copy, And then modify it, You have to trust the good nature of the game publisher to not take the 'mod' you made down and then file a cease-and-desist against you. That actually happens so often with GTA mods. Glad mobile manufacturers haven't got the tip yet.
@@tissuepaper9962 not only that, telecoms in Canada have actually moved to a lease model for phones.
"What Im starting to realize is that more more and more companies dont want you to own anything!" - Louis
It almost sounds like they want you to own nothing and be happy 🤔😬
Yup like the demon Klaus Schwab.
You'll own nothing, and they'll be happy.
@@rickjames5176 More like the Bond villain he appears to be.
Not owning things wouldn’t be a major problem if it didn’t cost you. A lot of people would get a TV that was half the price that served adds to you but the problem is they want you to pay FULL PRICE for a TV that serves adds to you that you don’t own!
Jokes on them, already there
Thank you for your update.
2 years ago Samsung upgraded our music app and added Spotify. It never had Shitify before, or any advertisments. It was the best music phone app I had used until then. They engineered the update so that I could not reinstall the backup of the original source either by APK or a full system reset. I posted, called, and reviewed the app many, many times letting them know how dissatisfied I was, especially as I paid full cash price for my S9. Everytime Samsung tells me one of it's built-in apps has an update I refuse the update and add to it's review that I have no idea what advertisements or spyware they are going to jam on my phone. It's also why I won't buy a new Samsung phone.
Thanks for the lesson in consumer ethics.
It's like when my friend jokes that the show is interrupting his commercials.
We have a local broadcaster on which a 90 minute film can literally run 3 hours due to the amount of advertising. I’m so glad I have other options, so I don’t have to waste my time watching inane adverts.
Radio stations are worse. I swear, there is an equal amount of commercials to the content, whether it’s music or news.
One local station played three consecutive hours of ads shortly after it had an unannounced format change.
@@ian1352 - They are trying to chase away the few viewers they have left.
@@ABCEasyas-- i am not sure whats worse, the ads which are half of the radio station, or the music which is so intellectualy dumbed down with low tier pop music that it amazes me people watch it
i'm buying a house right now and recently realized that even once i finish making mortgage payment in 30 years and i "own" it, i'm really just renting it from the government because i have to keep paying taxes on it literally forever. it made me depressed.
@MrHolyKindness of course they are - if it's abandoned the government gets nothing. if you're on it, they get your taxes every year - and you can be sure they'll base those taxes on a much higher value than anyone would actually pay for it!
Wait until Samsung get into the house market and start fitting it with virtual windows. Look out on an alpine landscape... a tropical beach... Papa Johns, just 300 yards from your front door, and we deliver...
@asdfasdf I'm going to have to agree with this bc you ave some cases where a person has property but is now retired and doesn't get a huge check anymore. Perhaps his property tax and school tax should be reduced or he should pay 0$.
your comparing apples to oranges on this one... a mortgage is bank loan for a house that you have to pay anywhere from 15 to 30 years until its paid in full.. property taxes is a once a year fee that is "supposed to " help fund your local community... you know building roads, schools etc...
@@dougcha1538 i'm not comparing them at all. i'm saying that once i've paid off the mortgage and i own the house, i still don't really own it if i have to pay the government for it every year for the rest of eternity.
Then they wonder why piracy is such a huge problem (the methods to get content legitimately are chock full of adds, the hardware presents you with adds despite paying for the device up front, repairs cost almost as much as a new device and take multiple months AND they make it as difficult as possible for normal people to attempt repair themselves).
Wow...this video is so eye opening. I appreciate these videos so much. I learn a lot from them. I'm to the point where I'm considering "downgrading" to a "dumb" tv because I'm so tired of all the crap these companies are doing. I am very pro physical media, owning your software/movies/devices, etc. Hell I haven't watched "traditional" tv for probably the last couple of years of so. I watch my stuff either on my phone, computer, and some stuff via like Pluto TV anymore. But even that is getting old (Pluto TV I mean) because of the constant ads. I used ad blocker where I can (computer/phone) and I wish one existed for the TV too. My phone still has an SD card slot and Headphone jack and I don't want to give it up.
Wait until they put 30 sec ads when u try to adjust the brightness
I just use a computer monitor. And if they ever start putting ads on my computer monitor I will just order an LCD panel and glue it to a piece of plywood.
The plywood will come with targeted ads and a EULA
@@jonasfrito2 Probably, in the form of you have to sign up to the hardware stores social media accounts or something. Subscribe to their newsletter. Download their app and scan it at the checkout. Etc.
"checking for malware on a television"
i honestly never thought i would hear about this phrase being stated unironically
I bought a new TV about 3-4 years ago and went to some trouble to find a non-smart TV (live in a small town) and then hooked it up to a small PC (intel NUC, running linux) works great, I'm in control.
Alright, FrameWork, time to build a TV. My body is ready.
Your body is ready? Bend over for the price.
@@statinskill hes GeoStreber, not Ben Dover
This will probably begin to become a thing if things keep going the way they are. I honestly believe it. People just need to wake up and push BACK as opposed to being apathetic, or too distracted, etc. to even be bothered. We ALL honestly have more power than we tend to think that we do when pertaining to many issues like this one. Louis has said this countless times in a lot of his videos. All it generally takes is enough of us to actively push back, with our wallets, our time and our attention and most of these predatory ideas being pushed down from above would straight up dissolve, just like that.
@@statinskill The framework laptop is actually very reasonably priced overall. What are you going on about? $999 base spec $1399 top end is better then a lot of devices with a similar form factor, without the aspect of being instant e-waste.
@@statinskill im ready
Watching this video on a 2011 Panasonic plasma TV. Many years after the UA-cam app stopped working. Nivida shield does the job well. Commenting on a handset I bought independently of the sim card. Still have CS4 on my 2014 self built desktop PC.
Modern TVs are loss leaders.
I pretty much use the internet and tv the same way ! I’ve also talked to people about these issues that are happening and most people think it’s normal and okay !
Over ten years ago I quit upgrading my Adobe software because they went to subscriptions. I saw it as unfair and a money grab. I didn't want to support this concept or the company.
*Adobe became a ravenous monster.*
Next up for tv's you'll need to have the television connected to the internet or it wont let you use the HDMI ports, which is for "security reasons"
But think of the children!
Exactly! Just like Canon's printers not allowing you to scan if it's low on ink.
They are only waiting for Apple to do it first, as usual
And then they'll wonder why so many are being returned.
Shhh don't give them any ideas
Louis sos un grande! Gracias por difundir tantas verdades
Well that was very interesting, I had never heard of this before with TV's. I have two Samsung TV's, both old and not of the "smart" variety, they connect to the aerial on the chimney stack. Having watched this I will not be buying a smart TV anytime soon. I also watch TV and catch-up on my desktop PC.
Oh by the way, rtings tells you whether a TV has ads and if so, how many. Just one of many reasons to use rtings while buying tech
Good shout out. I used em for my 2013 55in Samsung and they are an invaluable resource
In the meanwhile this is the reason I'm more than willing to pay money to ad blockers. Isn't it ironic? But you gotta fight fire with fire, and I'd much rather support an open source project that tries to reverse engineer ads, so that they can block it on your devices. That's right to repair.
My current TVs have only been connected to the internet while checking for firmware updates a few times.. No ads other than what comes from TV stations over cable, and those I skip with my DVR.
I do streaming via A Roku box, which doesn't insert ads anywhere (yet).
PiHole is your friend... Take some control back... Great vid, sir!
The consumer market is riddled with subscriptions and “free” stuff riddled with ads everywhere because they’re realized it’s more profitable.
Yeah, gaming is getting shitter too cause of this practices and gambling built in
Actually many are turned off to the products advertised. That reduces the product dollars used to buy advertising.
It´s funny, how people still get baited by "free" stuff, even when they´ve already learned a million times, that there´s nothing really "free".
@@Morpheus-pt3wq dumb people being dumb, more news at 20:00
The pervasive spread of ads to every device we own is one of the reasons I decided to "build" my own router/gateway out of an old PC. With a custom OS and plenty of processing power I can run my own adblocker software on it, even set very specific rules to block certain devices to reach certain websites.
To a Samsung TV, the domain which services her ads is simply offline. I might not get the UI real state back, but they're not getting my data either.
Eventually most routers will have "adblock" functionality/options built into them. All it is needed is for one company to start doing it for the competition to follow.
This is like Greek to me but I'm super envious of your set up. Nice work.
Fahrenheit 451
@@ingulari3977 From what he is describing he is either running pfSense with pfBlockerNG or something similar with a piHole. You can build a pfSense router out of a micro ITX board and an x86 processor that supports AES NI instructions or just buy a Netgate appliance. piHole as the name implies you can just run on a Raspberry Pi.
Pihole, if you are curious
I use Piehole as well. Super effective against ads on our TV's and even in app ads on android/iphone
A bit like how I remember downloading Microsofts official minesweeper game from their store, in an operating system that I payed them for, for a game that was available in xp... only to find adds in it. That was one of the final straws before I came to Linux.
What's crazy is how many dystopian Futures show us just constantly berated with ads no matter where we go...
I was at Chili's one day and from where I was sitting you could see the whole row of their automated Waiters across the line and anyone that wasn't being used for playing games was just pushing ads.
It just reminds me of how we're just quickly running into this dystopian future of monetization of every part of our existence.
I miss the days when my GPS didn't give me ads to gas stations- that also have ads on the gas pumps
It is very annoying going to get gas and see ads for 5 minutes cause the pump is slow as a snail.
Speedway?
BP, Shell, and Chevron as well
Google Maps doesn't give me ads to gas stations.
It's going to get to a point where you will need a subscription for each household member to use the bathroom in your own house.
People will buy a new home with biometric toilet scans.
However, if Auntie Jemima comes to visit for a few days, you'll end up paying a $3.99 Toilet Rental fee, as she is not part of the household.
My god what a world that would be
Luis, You are 💯% right and it is really disheartening as a consumer. Paul Newman is rolling over in his grave.
My plasma (!) shows no ads. If I was thinking about upgrading (well, I wasn't really) then I certainly am not now!
It runs great, nice and clear. It plays nice with my VHS player (unlike my old LCD).
They apparently chew power, but hey- I am not paying the power bill!
The biggest problem is that these mega corporations will always have enough money to drive competitors without these business models out of business or straight up buy them. There is no free market competition that stops this. Until your representatives actually ENFORCE the laws these things will keep happening. There are already plenty of privacy laws, but they are not enforced as they should be. I haven't used my TV in almost 3 years. Maybe it is worth money since it comes without Ads.
This is exactly why big companies also love high taxes on businesses and lots of regulations, they are big enough to be able to afford all of the extra costs involved while new small businesses can't get off the ground and therefore end up never competing, making the bigger ones even bigger.
@@user-qp6lj6gu7s NO businesses like regulation or high taxes. NONE. Most of them expect a free ride as deadbeats, while sucking up profits from those who do pay taxes.