Completely needs to add The Great Silence to this list, some of the reasons why: 1) Spaghetti western with scenery completely covered in snow: CHECK 2) Brutal and cynical characters throughout: CHECK 3) Bounty hunters and lawmen challenging each others over law and morality: CHECK 4) Original soundtrack by Ennio Morricone: CHECK 5) The film also wants to be a veiled metaphor for America's violent and racist past: CHECK. Saying that the stories at least are not too similar but I still think The Great Silence packs a much harder punch on a minuscule fraction of Hateful Eight's budget, watch both at all accounts.
@@Charliedont_surf don’t read them. You went looking for this.. I went looking so I didn’t have to watch the video right now but when I have time I’ll hear it from the mans mouth.
+Disabled Anal Agreed... Peckinpah and Kubrick also made a British flicks. I hope Tarantino follows suit in his next movie. and then makes a si-fi picture...opposed to a musical or a comedy film.
+Disabled Anal Perhaps because there are way too many similarities for him to be comfortable with, he already had paid 'homage' big time to Corbucci with his own 'Django'.
There's a Spanish film from 1972 called "Cut-throats Nine", which is for sure he's used some elements from in Hateful Eight aside from the obvious similarity in title.
@@Grandmastergav86 maybe explain why instead of just saying a stupid ass “nope” no one is gonna take you serious doing childish stuff like that. You’re obviously a grown ass man so act like it
I can see a real salute to `Key Largo`...it had a very similar scenario to it with all of these colourful characters locked into one big room.... riding out a storm... while a human storm is erupting right amongst them ....Both Great Movies !!
Why he doesn't directly state his DIRECT INFLUENCE by Sergio Corbucci's The Great Silence is beyond me. The plot points are similar, the setting is similar, the tone is similar.
he is, I remember him saying that Billy Wilder made Anatomy of Murder in one interview, but Anatomy of Murder was directed by Otto Preminger, what he meant what the Witness for the Prosecution from Billy Wilder
Yeah I remember watching it in 07 because i watched hot fuzz 1000 times and in the commentary track Edgar Wright mentions about 100 movies that inspired him and one of the first movies I rented and watched was murder on the Orient express, good Adventure Time homage to it lol
+PK Stryder Yeah 'The Revenant' is a great film, and that's interesting. I will definately have to watch 'The Searchers' again to observe the similarities in it.
The h8 is literally just the Great Silence and the Thing. I am baffled he didnt mention it when it was CLEARLY nothing but a nod to it all the way through.
plzz, if god is out there... don't let tarantino leave hollywood after 10 movies come fucking on, you let michael bay makes 56 transformers piece of shit movies but tarantino only makes 10 :(
I knew the first one was gonna be The Thing! In some ways its practically the same movie. Kurt Russell is stuck in a blizzard with a bunch of untrustworthy people, wondering who done it. Not to mention he uses music from the soundtrack of The Thing too!
I really liked Hateful 8. I think the Ultra Panovision format was unbelievably beautiful. And the cinematography was underrated. But believe it or not, I didn't think Russell was great in this.
Ultra Panavision 70 was the wrongest decision he could have made. By using an anamorphotic lens he couldn't apply a depth of field as it is a trademark of Italian westerns. They mostly use spherical lenses and thus have image compositions with sharp foreground and background in one shot, such as a face closeup and people acting in the background. For Tarantinos attempts of such imagery he had use split lenses which produce sharp foreground in one half of the image while having an unsharp background in this half, with the other half of the image having a sharp background and unsharp foreground. But this sharpness transitions are noticeable throughout the movie, as well as blurred image corners or only partially sharp closups. He could have applied the Italian style with great depth of field by using TODD-AO with modified 4 perf camera, to get his desired aspect ratio of 2.75:1 and maintain 70mm with a spherical lens.
He should have shown the great silence to his actors like he did with django. The reason he didnt do it is that this time actors would had seen a much better movie than his movie.
He's obviously stopped making movies and started making control for the system. His latest movies have clearly been overseen by another motive. His early films were great and I guess he became too popular and cool so he had to be incorporated into the system.
@Michael Murphy he has a good eye for mining other movies, but... I dunno. When I watch one of his movies I always feel like I'm watching somebody else's movie. Here's Leone, here's Peckinpah, etc etc
Feel like me and QT have grown apart. Loved everything up to kill bill vol 1 but feel everything after is just kinda ok. don't worry about it Quentin. it's probably not you, it's me.
@@paulconway384 totally agree. Love Tarantino. Just call it like I see it.. Everything he does is an idea he got from another movie. He talks about it all the time..
Why did he list off 5 random movies as opposed to those he actually plagiarzed?: The Rebel (vintage tv show, 'Fair Game' episode') Laredo (vintage tv show, 'The Newcomers' episode') Samurai II: Duel at Ichijoji Temple Stagecoach The Great Silence
+Tomie Suenami One thing, if you plagiarize 5 films, that ain't no longer plagiarization. Two, If you haven't seen The Agatha Christie movie, then you have NO idea where he got inspiration from. The plot is so similar to "and then there were none"
loran1212 It ain't? Well, I was visited again last night, I think. It has been a while since I have had an experience with my "star friend". Last night was not one of them. I woke up to see quite a short being at the foot of my bed, just one. They were standing at the right side and they were maybe a foot taller than my bed, so about 3.5 feet tall. I don't remember much it's very in and out, which seems to happen quite a lot when this happens to me. I could never get a clear view of anything more than the outline, and as I was staring trying to see it was like my lights went out, which is also a common thing to happen to me during these visits. As I kept staring a very small light appeared that was very bright. It was on the upper side of the being's chest. It was like the light entranced me. I tried to get out of my bed to go up to it, and it was very difficult to move, it felt like I was moving very slowly, sort of like I was fighting to walk, and as I got up to it my eyes closed and all I could do was move my legs very slowly, so I stuck my right foot out to try to touch it, and I believe I brushed the being's foot. It was very cold, not like human skin. It felt much smoother and more rubbery than human skin as well. As soon as that happened I blacked out and woke up. When I woke up a little bit over an hour had gone by, and this is the most memorable experience I have had with "lost time".
Despite the title, it seems pretty clear from the way the video was cut together that the interviewer posed the films he thought might have had an influence, and Tarantino reacted to his suggestions.
I don't think he succeeded in having the paranoia bounce off the walls and into the audience. In fact I did not feel any particular tension inside that house and I know he meant for it to feel claustrophobic. I sat almost front row in the cinema to feel maximally engulfed by it but just did not feel it. There are many reasons for that, I could point out but that's a longer story. Mainly it has to do with the backstory and the mystery not being particularly significant in terms of the theme which leaves the characters a little bit like talking heads dangling in the wind. The theme is mostly spoken - it is not strongly present in the actual actions of the drama or the plot development and it is not deepened much by getting to know the characters. What is really the significance of the whole story of the outlaw gang, except that it brought some people to the house?
True! Even I thought the plot fell short in terms of building tension to the brim or giving feelings of claustrophobia in any way. However, the dialogue seemed very suitable for this type of movie. Many people thought the dialogue was repetitive but I thought there was some real rhythm to it that made it feel almost like poetry. I think QT made a snap decision to make this movie after the reading that took place and didn't think it through if any more plot elements need be modified or added to build the tension. Having said this, on a second viewing at home, I actually really enjoyed the movie as it is and didn't really feel compelled to look at any shortcomings.
Karthik Nair On one hand I agree with you that there is always a certain style and musicality to his dialogue. But I also felt like in this movie it just lacked the context of tension and underlying drama that normally pulls his dialogue taut and gives it meaning and direction. I would not say I did not enjoy the movie, and I have rewatched it numerous times. But I do find it long in the tooth. It has pacing, theme and character problems. The duration is not justified by what it builds. Too much filler and too little use of it. In fact it does not really build. It just wanders, chatting as we go about off-screen and more often than not past issues. The problem is that there is basically almost no thematic relevance to the plot. The characters are postulated as drivers of some bigger meaning, but even though there is a bunch of them - they are actually more like tonal variations of the same basic, more or less psychpathic character. This tries to be an analytical drama where within a short time a significant past comes crashing down and everything changes. Like Oedipus or A Dolls House. But there is no real significance to the connection between that past and what goes down in that house. It's just that some of the people there rather accidentally share - or so we are told - some kind of past. Is this past very important? Not really. Does it relate to the socalled "mystery"? not at all, the killing of the people at Minnies was just a practical necessity to get the gang installed. Is the gang important then? Not really. How about the person they want to save? Not really. Then what about the bounty hunter who caught her? Not essential to the theme either. We just need a turnkey to fight. The various backstories just play out in a rather meaningless "who dies first" thing revolving around a mystery that is significant of exactly what? Nothing really. A gang of outlaws came around to save one of their members. The outlaw story has no significance to the civil war or racial themes. It's just a spaghetti western framework that fails to be a spaghetti western because it had nod character resonance and a mystery that is really not a very good mystery and which is not really played or resolved as a mystery either. The strongest themes occur between the military civil war participants where race and american history is touched upon. This does not tie in with the gang story though. At best there is a bit of light "dilemma" about Minnie being racist of Mexicans. But it's chatty and superficial. In fact the whole civil war story has nothing to do with the gang situation or the mystery. I am sure they are there to provide underlying tension. But it is not there. So when the two final bastards agree to at least hang the third female bastard. What is really being said? Not not much, except "real bastards gotta hang and other bastards hang real bastards". Now we can get all "symbolic" and talk about how she represents the history of violence to women" and stuff like that. We can do that with many of the themes and say "but it's historical - there were outlaw gangs after the war". Who cares. These things are not being developed in the movie. They just sit there as people drone on about personal preference or the vagaries of war and race. So when finally the (fake) Lincoln letter rings out, melodramatically - what have we learned? that we should be more sensitive, better people? That America needs to come to terms with a past full of bastards? Sure - something like that. But are these themes developed through anything but a lot of talk and some random deaths in this movie? No. Do the selected backstories unfold key dimensions of the civil war in a way that makes the essence of that past come to life? Very arguable. When we are dealing with high literature - a lot of talk can be a virtue in stage productions. In cinema - talking heads is usually the death of plot, story and character.
Great analysis! Do you feel that this is perhaps one negative effect of his type of so called collage cinema? The characters might as well have been taken straight off 10 different sources, not to mention the plot points and individual scenes. When it usually works in his movies, the blank spaces are coloured in. And do you think it could have still been a great movie without any Civil War storyline or any insightful or foreshadowing comment on America as such?
Mas eu sou um cinéfilo culto, ao contrário de ti, que pelos vistos de cinema não entendes absolutamente nada. Nem tu, nem ninguém me vai ensinar nada sobre cinema. Tens razão, influência, é diferente de plágio. Todos os cineastas se influenciam uns aos outros. Sempre foi assim. Mas o Tarantino não é somente influenciado, rouba descaradamente. Vai aprender primeiro antes de vires ladrar. Ou então escolhe quem não perceba nada do que está a falar. Dedica-te à culinária ou assim. O cinema não é a tua praia.
Completely needs to add The Great Silence to this list, some of the reasons why:
1) Spaghetti western with scenery completely covered in snow: CHECK
2) Brutal and cynical characters throughout: CHECK
3) Bounty hunters and lawmen challenging each others over law and morality: CHECK
4) Original soundtrack by Ennio Morricone: CHECK
5) The film also wants to be a veiled metaphor for America's violent and racist past: CHECK.
Saying that the stories at least are not too similar but I still think The Great Silence packs a much harder punch on a minuscule fraction of Hateful Eight's budget, watch both at all accounts.
+Professicchio thank you! I'll definitely watch it.
+Professicchio Ok settle down there.
Excellent film! You are right on the $$$
It's not a metaphor of Americas past, its just Americas past
The stagecoach scene is also remeniscent of the great silence
#6 The Great Silence - Morricone score, snow-bound Rockies setting, bounty hunters, dead bodies on stagecoach, bleak tone.
Yeah I was wondering where that one was. Seems like one to definitely watch before the hateful eight
Agreed,I really thought he would mention that one ....
Avoid mild spoilers, here's the list:
1. The Thing (1982)
2.The While Bunch (1969)
3. Murder on the Orient Express (1974)
4. Hombre (1967)
5. Khartoum (1966)
The Wild* Bunch
The Wild Bunch is the greatest western ever made.
Why spoil it. I hate UA-cam commenters
Beowulf Scott same
@@Charliedont_surf don’t read them. You went looking for this.. I went looking so I didn’t have to watch the video right now but when I have time I’ll hear it from the mans mouth.
I can't believe that he didn't mention "The Great Silence"
+Disabled Anal Agreed...
Peckinpah and Kubrick also made a British flicks. I hope Tarantino
follows suit in his next movie. and then makes a si-fi
picture...opposed to a musical or a comedy film.
+Disabled Anal Perhaps because there are way too many similarities for him to be comfortable with, he already had paid 'homage' big time to Corbucci with his own 'Django'.
for u, how do u describe John Carpenter's ''The thing"?
I watched "The Great Silence" a week ago. HOLY CRAP, the similarities are insane!
I knew he wouldn't admit to stealing from Corbucci's grave again.
There's a Spanish film from 1972 called "Cut-throats Nine", which is for sure he's used some elements from in Hateful Eight aside from the obvious similarity in title.
The Thing(1982) is one of my favorite movies of all time
Tarantino is a gem of cinema, a true Cinephile.
......nope
@@Grandmastergav86 Wdym nope
@@Grandmastergav86 He is a great filmmaker, just deal with it
@@Grandmastergav86 maybe explain why instead of just saying a stupid ass “nope” no one is gonna take you serious doing childish stuff like that. You’re obviously a grown ass man so act like it
Hombre made the list. One of my favorite westerns for 25 years. Surprised Cutthroats Nine (1971) wasn't on here....
The Thing is the greatest horror movie ever! I knew I loved you Quentin Tarantino!
Indeed.
Wow! The Thing is one of my favorites! I never thought of the parallels. So cool..
He doesn't mention it by name, though does mention claustrophobic westerns in general, but I'd recommend Day of the Outlaw. Top notch winter western.
I can see a real salute to `Key Largo`...it had a very similar scenario to it with all of these colourful characters locked into one big room.... riding out a storm... while a human storm is erupting right amongst them ....Both Great Movies !!
He mentioned Key Largo in a conversation with Nolan.
The Wild Bunch is awesome, required viewing for anyone with a passing interest in the genre
I fucking love Quentin Tarantino
i don't get how people disliked hateful eight. great movie.
I love you, Tarantino.
Cevahir Ileri 😂
Who doesn't?
Yes, we all knoooooooowwww
The dude's everywhere
Curious, how do you love someone you don't know personally??? I find that extremely funny.
The song used that isn't from The Good The Bad And The Ugly is A.F.Lavagnino - Sfida a Rio Bravo from The Hateful 8 trailer.
how did the horse do that? amazing
I love you, Quentin.
Just stooooooooop
Why he doesn't directly state his DIRECT INFLUENCE by Sergio Corbucci's The Great Silence is beyond me. The plot points are similar, the setting is similar, the tone is similar.
Surprised that he had never seen Murder on the Orient Express until recently! Guess he is human after all!
he is, I remember him saying that Billy Wilder made Anatomy of Murder in one interview, but Anatomy of Murder was directed by Otto Preminger, what he meant what the Witness for the Prosecution from Billy Wilder
Yeah I remember watching it in 07 because i watched hot fuzz 1000 times and in the commentary track Edgar Wright mentions about 100 movies that inspired him and one of the first movies I rented and watched was murder on the Orient express, good Adventure Time homage to it lol
I fucking love The Thing!!!
moi aussi j'adore the thing
Go and fuck
The greatest remake, ever! 99.9 remakes fail.
That black horse in Hombre, should've wona oscar
The opening scene is very similar to the one of "A Man Called Sledge"
Why no mention of The Great Silence?
Quentin: "Hombre and The Hatefull Eight do have similar dialogue"
Poster: *shows a scene from Hombre without a dialogue
Right away I knew it was based off the Thing which is my favorite film
I know everyone said it but The great silence is probably the biggest one as far as aspects of the movie, especially the stage coach scene
Amazing great new Tarantino- love it!
You are a genius in your field Quentin.
impressive interview
I would like to know who are some of Quentin Tarentino's Favorite Books and Authors?
Elmore Leonard
This movie reminded me of John Ford's "Stagecoach" in so many ways.
+Alex Chia I got that vibe too.
+PK Stryder I don't know if you've seen "the Revenant" yet, but there is definitely some John Ford's "the Searchers" in there.
+PK Stryder Yeah 'The Revenant' is a great film, and that's interesting. I will definately have to watch 'The Searchers' again to observe the similarities in it.
Love how they used the Good, Bad, and Ugly theme for all 5 of the picks yet none of the movies in the dollars trilogy were listed
Check out the Episode of The Rebel which he based the whole movie on.
Just realised what was missing from The Hateful Eight.... Margaret Rutherford.
The Great Silence ?
What's the name of that song at the beginning?
Uly Med sfida a rio bravo
HorridDave Thanks mate...
Key Largo?
The h8 is literally just the Great Silence and the Thing. I am baffled he didnt mention it when it was CLEARLY nothing but a nod to it all the way through.
I really hope he does a sci fi one day. Like an inglorious bastards meets blade runner.
Why do all of his movies have western or 50's music in.
LJK Designs LTD Because it's what he loves, also 1970's soul music
Very good artist.
plzz, if god is out there... don't let tarantino leave hollywood after 10 movies come fucking on, you let michael bay makes 56 transformers piece of shit movies but tarantino only makes 10 :(
Came here mainly to see if he would mention The Great Silence but judging by the first couple comments I don’t need to watch the full video.
No Cutthroats 9?
what about the bad effect of exploding blood
man shoots a leg, blood explodes out of chest
what movie did you get that from?
lol
exactly
Probably inspired from ''For a Few Dollars More'', when Clint shoots floor and hits person instead lol
I knew the first one was gonna be The Thing! In some ways its practically the same movie. Kurt Russell is stuck in a blizzard with a bunch of untrustworthy people, wondering who done it. Not to mention he uses music from the soundtrack of The Thing too!
I really liked Hateful 8. I think the Ultra Panovision format was unbelievably beautiful. And the cinematography was underrated.
But believe it or not, I didn't think Russell was great in this.
Ultra Panavision 70 was the wrongest decision he could have made.
By using an anamorphotic lens he couldn't apply a depth of field as it is a trademark of Italian westerns.
They mostly use spherical lenses and thus have image compositions with sharp foreground and background in one shot, such as a face closeup and people acting in the background.
For Tarantinos attempts of such imagery he had use split lenses which produce sharp foreground in one half of the image while having an unsharp background in this half, with the other half of the image having a sharp background and unsharp foreground.
But this sharpness transitions are noticeable throughout the movie, as well as blurred image corners or only partially sharp closups.
He could have applied the Italian style with great depth of field by using TODD-AO with modified 4 perf camera, to get his desired aspect ratio of 2.75:1 and maintain 70mm with a spherical lens.
I tried to do the music to once upon a time in America but he made some bad choices
weird not picking The Great Silence , is the obvious one to pick here.
Cos it s too obvious
refreshing to see an interview where QT isn't coked out of his mind
+Asi9Concubine he's probably exhausted from all the press and traveling...thank god
+AsinineConcubine You're just trolling, aren't you? If you knew anything about being 'coked out', you'd know Tarantino has nothing to do with it.
Tarantino in different interview tell different things.
he looks so irish italian
It reminds me of The Thing meets 12 Angry Men.
oui oui
I just can't raise my right eyebrow, only the left one?
thought he would say Rio Bravo for claustrophobic reasons.
nobody shot a movie with that lens in 50 years!?
He should have shown the great silence to his actors like he did with django. The reason he didnt do it is that this time actors would had seen a much better movie than his movie.
He's obviously stopped making movies and started making control for the system. His latest movies have clearly been overseen by another motive. His early films were great and I guess he became too popular and cool so he had to be incorporated into the system.
How can 12 Angry Men not be on the list?
Brilliant movie! so analytical
funny, he didn't mention The Great Silence
Tarantino's movies is a last breath of Hollywood. Like there is almost nothing to watch now, all industry has failed
True. I haven't watched a Hollywood movie in years. Absolute garbage.
Battle royal da poison scène
Great influences, but apart from Reservoir Dogs & Pulp Fiction, I find his movies really subpar
@Michael Murphy he has a good eye for mining other movies, but... I dunno. When I watch one of his movies I always feel like I'm watching somebody else's movie. Here's Leone, here's Peckinpah, etc etc
"mise en son"
Five movies to see INSTEAD of the Hateful Eight
Cut Throats Nine + the Great Silence = The Hateful Eight
Feel like me and QT have grown apart. Loved everything up to kill bill vol 1 but feel everything after is just kinda ok. don't worry about it Quentin. it's probably not you, it's me.
Steeleye 2112 Django Unchained was amazing though
his pronounciation of "mise en scene" actually me cringe
I don't like Tarantino' movies after pulp fiction but I absolutely love his passion of Italian directors!!!
Drink some fucking water, for the love of god.
+Dr Zombie you can drink the water, let him make the movies
+Dr Zombie Watch the movie Full Tilt Boogie, its the making of From Dusk Till Dawn. QT drinks lots and lots of water.
I love Tarantino, but for him to compare Hateful 8 to The Wild Bunch is bullshit.
Tarantino is no doubt a great director, but also king of the reboot/rip-off artist
At least his reboots aren't the woke garbage that Hollywood spews out lately 😂
@@paulconway384 totally agree. Love Tarantino. Just call it like I see it.. Everything he does is an idea he got from another movie. He talks about it all the time..
Funny how some fanboys whine when a movie they love isn't mentioned. Know-it-all crybabies...
The real influence was notcmention
THE GREAT SILENCE.
Not really mr kinski
How to steal from better movies
I liked most Tarantino movies, but I thought The Hateful Eight sucked.
Why did he list off 5 random movies as opposed to those he actually plagiarzed?:
The Rebel (vintage tv show, 'Fair Game' episode')
Laredo (vintage tv show, 'The Newcomers' episode')
Samurai II: Duel at Ichijoji Temple
Stagecoach
The Great Silence
+Tomie Suenami One thing, if you plagiarize 5 films, that ain't no longer plagiarization. Two, If you haven't seen The Agatha Christie movie, then you have NO idea where he got inspiration from. The plot is so similar to "and then there were none"
loran1212 It ain't? Well, I was visited again last night, I think. It has been a while since I have had an experience with my "star friend". Last night was not one of them. I woke up to see quite a short being at the foot of my bed, just one. They were standing at the right side and they were maybe a foot taller than my bed, so about 3.5 feet tall. I don't remember much it's very in and out, which seems to happen quite a lot when this happens to me. I could never get a clear view of anything more than the outline, and as I was staring trying to see it was like my lights went out, which is also a common thing to happen to me during these visits. As I kept staring a very small light appeared that was very bright. It was on the upper side of the being's chest. It was like the light entranced me. I tried to get out of my bed to go up to it, and it was very difficult to move, it felt like I was moving very slowly, sort of like I was fighting to walk, and as I got up to it my eyes closed and all I could do was move my legs very slowly, so I stuck my right foot out to try to touch it, and I believe I brushed the being's foot. It was very cold, not like human skin. It felt much smoother and more rubbery than human skin as well. As soon as that happened I blacked out and woke up. When I woke up a little bit over an hour had gone by, and this is the most memorable experience I have had with "lost time".
Despite the title, it seems pretty clear from the way the video was cut together that the interviewer posed the films he thought might have had an influence, and Tarantino reacted to his suggestions.
Quinton Tarantino
Guy Ritchie
Martin Scorsese
3 of the best ever
And Peckinpah.
I don't think he succeeded in having the paranoia bounce off the walls and into the audience. In fact I did not feel any particular tension inside that house and I know he meant for it to feel claustrophobic. I sat almost front row in the cinema to feel maximally engulfed by it but just did not feel it. There are many reasons for that, I could point out but that's a longer story. Mainly it has to do with the backstory and the mystery not being particularly significant in terms of the theme which leaves the characters a little bit like talking heads dangling in the wind. The theme is mostly spoken - it is not strongly present in the actual actions of the drama or the plot development and it is not deepened much by getting to know the characters. What is really the significance of the whole story of the outlaw gang, except that it brought some people to the house?
True! Even I thought the plot fell short in terms of building tension to the brim or giving feelings of claustrophobia in any way. However, the dialogue seemed very suitable for this type of movie. Many people thought the dialogue was repetitive but I thought there was some real rhythm to it that made it feel almost like poetry. I think QT made a snap decision to make this movie after the reading that took place and didn't think it through if any more plot elements need be modified or added to build the tension. Having said this, on a second viewing at home, I actually really enjoyed the movie as it is and didn't really feel compelled to look at any shortcomings.
Karthik Nair
On one hand I agree with you that there is always a certain style and musicality to his dialogue. But I also felt like in this movie it just lacked the context of tension and underlying drama that normally pulls his dialogue taut and gives it meaning and direction. I would not say I did not enjoy the movie, and I have rewatched it numerous times. But I do find it long in the tooth. It has pacing, theme and character problems. The duration is not justified by what it builds. Too much filler and too little use of it. In fact it does not really build. It just wanders, chatting as we go about off-screen and more often than not past issues. The problem is that there is basically almost no thematic relevance to the plot. The characters are postulated as drivers of some bigger meaning, but even though there is a bunch of them - they are actually more like tonal variations of the same basic, more or less psychpathic character.
This tries to be an analytical drama where within a short time a significant past comes crashing down and everything changes. Like Oedipus or A Dolls House. But there is no real significance to the connection between that past and what goes down in that house. It's just that some of the people there rather accidentally share - or so we are told - some kind of past. Is this past very important? Not really. Does it relate to the socalled "mystery"? not at all, the killing of the people at Minnies was just a practical necessity to get the gang installed. Is the gang important then? Not really. How about the person they want to save? Not really. Then what about the bounty hunter who caught her? Not essential to the theme either. We just need a turnkey to fight.
The various backstories just play out in a rather meaningless "who dies first" thing revolving around a mystery that is significant of exactly what? Nothing really. A gang of outlaws came around to save one of their members. The outlaw story has no significance to the civil war or racial themes. It's just a spaghetti western framework that fails to be a spaghetti western because it had nod character resonance and a mystery that is really not a very good mystery and which is not really played or resolved as a mystery either.
The strongest themes occur between the military civil war participants where race and american history is touched upon. This does not tie in with the gang story though. At best there is a bit of light "dilemma" about Minnie being racist of Mexicans. But it's chatty and superficial. In fact the whole civil war story has nothing to do with the gang situation or the mystery. I am sure they are there to provide underlying tension. But it is not there. So when the two final bastards agree to at least hang the third female bastard. What is really being said? Not not much, except "real bastards gotta hang and other bastards hang real bastards".
Now we can get all "symbolic" and talk about how she represents the history of violence to women" and stuff like that. We can do that with many of the themes and say "but it's historical - there were outlaw gangs after the war". Who cares. These things are not being developed in the movie. They just sit there as people drone on about personal preference or the vagaries of war and race.
So when finally the (fake) Lincoln letter rings out, melodramatically - what have we learned? that we should be more sensitive, better people? That America needs to come to terms with a past full of bastards? Sure - something like that. But are these themes developed through anything but a lot of talk and some random deaths in this movie? No. Do the selected backstories unfold key dimensions of the civil war in a way that makes the essence of that past come to life? Very arguable.
When we are dealing with high literature - a lot of talk can be a virtue in stage productions. In cinema - talking heads is usually the death of plot, story and character.
Great analysis! Do you feel that this is perhaps one negative effect of his type of so called collage cinema? The characters might as well have been taken straight off 10 different sources, not to mention the plot points and individual scenes. When it usually works in his movies, the blank spaces are coloured in. And do you think it could have still been a great movie without any Civil War storyline or any insightful or foreshadowing comment on America as such?
This is his worst movie
More like the 5 movies Tarantino ripped off to make The Hateful Eight.
Mas eu sou um cinéfilo culto, ao contrário de ti, que pelos vistos de cinema não entendes absolutamente nada. Nem tu, nem ninguém me vai ensinar nada sobre cinema. Tens razão, influência, é diferente de plágio. Todos os cineastas se influenciam uns aos outros. Sempre foi assim. Mas o Tarantino não é somente influenciado, rouba descaradamente. Vai aprender primeiro antes de vires ladrar. Ou então escolhe quem não perceba nada do que está a falar. Dedica-te à culinária ou assim. O cinema não é a tua praia.
no quentin... just to answer your question, your movie is nowhere near as good as the wild bunch
It's better.
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Hateful 8 is a terrible movie
It's a great film, Brent.
the most overrated and self indulgent director
The Hateful 8 is for me his best film after Reservoir Dogs.
Overrated