Hi Matt, thanks for sharing. I actually watched your first review of this device and then other devices as well before I decided to purchase the Karoo 2 about 9 months ago. I’ve been very happy with the device. I ride once a week (in Thailand), 60-75 KM, moving time 3-4.5 hrs and elapsed time around 5-6 hrs. I usually have the screen brightness around 50-60%, using maps & navigation around 80% of time during a ride. At the end of the ride, the remaining battery would be around 60%, so no issues with the battery life for me with the types of ride that I do. Pricing wise, 9 months ago I thought it was the most value for money compared to Garmin 830 and Wahoo Roam, but I do understand it might better compare it to Garmin 1030. What I love about the device: 1) the screen is so big and clear for navigation 2) the functionalities and menus are so intuitive (this is my first bike computer with GPS navigation) 3) easily connected to Komoot and Strava 4) The dashboard is simple, and I use it primary for updating the maps from Komoot while I use Strava for analysis of my ride 5) the climber feature is amazing before and during a climb 6) perhaps not directly about the device, but their support team is truly amazing. I had two tech issues which I didn’t know how to solve (duplicated routes from Komoot and re-routing with navigation not moving along my current location) both times their support team replies to my inquiries very quickly, and offered quick and easy instructions on how to solve my issues 7) the constant updates make me feel like I’m getting a better device every 2 weeks 8) how easy it is to connect with various sensors. I have a Garmin Varia and Giant dual sensors connected to it. Just turn on or activate the sensors, then it is so easy to find them on the device, then connect! 9) last (I think) but not least the way I can custom the profiles with maps and data pages, and how they simulate like on a real ride before I decide which one I want 10) the re-routing feature is very quick and helpful when I’m off courses. What I don’t like or perhaps opportunities for improvement: 1) the turn by turn notifications and Garmin Varia alert for a vehicle coming up from behind are with the same beeping sound (not sure how it works on other devices), but would be great if it could be by different sound 2) the USB-C plug/cover. You’re right, so small it is easy to loose. I lost my after 7 months (not sure whether I should be proud that I held on to it for so long). There should be a way to attach it to the device by a cord, but I have solved this by buying the plug/cover in bulk just in case I loose it again 3) since I live outside US, it has been very difficult to find a silicone case for protection against dropping it Very few things to dislike for the way that I use this device. You can check out my Strava profile (www.strava.com/athletes/tmuadchaiyaphum)to see how it has been used since November’21.
Wow, amazing feedback. I really think this info will help others as they navigate their buying decision. Thank you for taking the time to write this up. 👌
Ok, super sorry that I keep calling the Hammerhead Climber feature "Climb Pro". Climb Pro is Garmin's climbing feature and Climber is what Hammerhead calls their feature. Sorry I mixed this up while talking. There's probably more mistakes. Let me know below 👇🏻
The Bolt v2 is a solid option. All else being equal I tend to gravitate towards simple devices that just get the job done. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Totally agree. I just need a reliable GPS device that displays some basic stats of my ride and a worry-free battery life is a must. Don't want any "advanced" feature that I rarely use. Also, I'm always suspicious of updates and frequent updates is annoying (even Wahoo's update cycle a bit annoying), because often, update fixes things and breaks others, especially when you introduce new features. That said, Wahoo devices, for what they offer, are overpriced in my country. I'll stick with my Bolt v1 until it dies. (I love the customizable LEDs and the fact that battery lasts even with the backlit on all day. Useful stuff don't need to be high tech.)
Cant just choose an address and go?!!! The most basic of functions that one would purchase abd expect this to do. In actual fact most of the GP computere do not... Why?
I wonder if the engineers are thinking people are intending to use this to make more cycling routes as apposed to using this for more traditional address look up and routing. 🤷♂️
Are there any solid rumors of a Karoo 3 or anything? I haven’t heard anything recently. I’d probably go with the 840 but it’s a hard call at this point.
I don't own the device, so I am going to write in speculation on what I saw mentioned. Given, the device is built on top of android operating system, which is not battery efficient by nature, it should be expected to see a reduction in battery life. Android is built for a wide range of category for devices, so it makes it very difficult to fine tune the balance of performance and battery life for all devices. It is like comparing Windows to Mac, Mac has better battery life than most Windows laptops but Mac OS is tuned only for hardware that Mac's use. In general, computers don't handle extreme heat very efficiently, so I would expect that there would be some lost of battery health when it comes to these bike computers as well.
Good comparison Nick! It’s a great cycling computer in my opinion. And I love the amount of updates it gets. It has been a bit so maybe Hammerhead will update the Karoo 3 hardware at some point. 🤷🏻♂️
Good review. I'm a Karoo user since the first version. I've also used multiple Garmin services and the Wahoo Bolt. I think the Karoo has more to offer in the future than the other devices. Yes it's always evolving but with the OS being Android there are fewer limits on capabilities. The cons of the device is very accurate the biggest being battery life but you can use battery saver mode and almost double the battery life per charge. The screen is easily the kink in the armor when it comes to battery life. I'm using your link to get the rubber covers. I agree the cover should be connected to the device from the start. Sweat can easily ruin the device. I personally like their device locking system but I don't want to buy all knew mounts. 🤷🏽♂️ So I keep up with that adapter. But like many I've broken my Karoo mount due to material non-impact failure. Funny that the dashboard has somewhat improved over the years, but it's very limited when compared to others. I assume Karoo knows most uses a third party app or service so why bother. I think an app would improve the speed of using the various settings but not a deal breaker. How often does one go do diving into the settings? I will say that the Chrome browser extension is hands down one of the best if not the best mapping features of any cycling computer. The ability to one click and have a route that's on screen saved is perfection!! I'm a techy so I'm looking forward to what else Hammerhead will bring. Yes it's not perfect, but it is interesting. Great review and looking forward to more videos.
This is such fantastic feedback Dre V! Thanks so much for taking the time to write it up. I do really like this device but didn’t want to paint it as a perfect device. I honestly think Hammerhead is the company Garmin might fear most on the bike computer front. Their development cycles are smoking!!! Thanks so much for watching and commenting 🙌
@@StephanieLuff it depends on what you want to track. Socially I use Strava as almost everyone uses it. For analyzing my ride data I use intervals.ICU, I load my workouts/training plan onto Trainingpeaks, as it will download to the Karoo automatically. For the basics I would recommend Strava or the Hammerhead dashboard to just keep a record of your rides.
@@StephanieLuff - I'd hold off on installing third party apps unless there's something specific that you need but I would suggest linking it with third part apps like Kamoot, Strava, TrainingPeaks etc. Best of luck and let me know what you think when you get it!!!
Omg you must have been dying in the editing room and realizing you reversed the titling of the climbing function! And haha there’s a pinned comment about it. From a viewers perspective it is actual of zero big deal bc you explain it so well and anyone watching for this device knows the difference
But in all fun: It’s hilarious to watch. Like so funny. I’m laughing so hard (and yet not at all missing the points being made - even though I’m not a cyclist I think it’s super cool that it guesstimates the direction you’re heading and you don’t have to deal with uploading a route, that is my problem with Garmin’s “Climber” function :))
@@fitgearhunter - Oh I hate this feeling of messing up something over and over again like this. But I don't hate it enough to go back and re-record that section of video. I'll just live with that feeling of stupidity as a consequence. 🤦♂️
@@mlegrand seriously, man, it was no big deal. But as a fellow person creating videos it was freaking hilarious! In the most genuine and pure and innocent way (that only we can understand): Hilarious. The number of times the word “Climber” popped up on the bottom of the screen just made me laugh so hard. Sorry, I’m not in any way poking fun at what might be your pain I am just trying to make light of the situation because the continent was truly fantastic, and I do not cycle!
I have been a Polar user for a short time in the grand scheme of things, around one and a half year from now, but from that time and my personal experience, it looks like they are starting to change on that aspect with their current releases. I have had a Polar Vantage M2 during my time with Polar and during that time it surely has received updates: received a couple of firmware updates related to bug fixes and stability, received additional languages support, and new features as well, like notifications during training and sleep wise, They are surely not perfect, and their release cycle is insanely slower compared to companies like these, but they are surely moving on the right track from what it seems. I am planning to change my Vantage M2 in the upcoming months, and it is probably going to be another Polar watch, probably the Grit X Pro should they have not launched an update on that line yet, because I like their metrics, the ecosystem and the support I have received over the years.
The two week update cycle is cra cray! I once dismissed a really good lap on a local climb. I was so angry! okay what witchcraft is happening at 2:40 with the unboxing. THERE ARE NO HANDS!!!??? The first Hammerhead was THICK (heavy) Was the dropping part of QC? THANK GOODNESS there are audio queues. That was the biggest let down and why I sent back the first one. YOU MOUNTAINBIKE WITHOUT GLOVES!?!?? Hehehe, Climber v Climb Pro. Names are dumb! Uffa! That battery life is ROUGH. I love my 1030's ability to put the screen to sleep. Extends battery life by a lot! Ohhhh, would you show the world your bike room set up!? Or maybe just me- I'm curious! (the "I lost the Garmin connector" remark made me think of this!) Super fair assessment, great job! Tough to do a review of somethng that keeps changing. I completely agree
My bike room is a bit ugly so I tend not to show it much. I recently have been doing stuff in the garage also. I’m thinking I need an entire film studio where we could have bike trainers set up and a few different sets. This YT channel is such a smart investment 💰
So I just bought Garmin edge explore 2 as my first bike computer and I am soooo annoyed from it. It so slow....and unintuitive. Thinking to send it back....You think Karoo 2 for mtb is not the best? I mean for me is important navigation....using GPX from Trialforks or Komoot will be possible or? And second feature I need Is heart rate monitor ... except of that I want smooth experience.
TrailForks is on Garmin devices and I think Wahoo just added it to their computers. I don’t know that it’s available as smoothly for the Karoo 2. Heart rate monitors should be equally smooth on any of these devices. Just search and pair it. If you’re just biking with it, I’d probably go for something affordable. I made a video on two cheap HRM here on this channel. Keep me posted on what you end up doing and how it all works out! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Which bike computer would you choose Matt??? if you had no money limit, and if you had around Us.450 as budget???. Im a triathlon enthusiast but often enjoy some MTB rides
If you’re into MTBing, I’d probably pick up some sort of Garmin. They have a few more mountain bike specific features that I like. The 830 and 530 are getting a bit old in the product cycle, so I’d look at rumor sites for the next iterations. 840/540 presumably. 🤷🏻♂️ Garmin hasn’t mentioned anything to me (I don’t speculate if they’ve mentioned something to me, and I’m speculating) But I’d probably hold out for the 840 if you can wait a bit.
Thanks for the review! Soo, as you're saying there are better options for mountainbikers, what would you recommend? Looking for something that really helps me figure out the right way to go on those weird trail crossroads that can have like 6+ paths.
@@mlegrand thank you! I just checked out trailforks since I first heard from it just now, but it doesn't really know any of the trails in my area so I guess I'll stay with komoot planning. The Edge 840 still looks good though. Is the almost twice as high price as the karoo2 justified?
@@silvie4518 - If you can get a good price on the Karoo 2 than I would go for it. It was on sale here in the US for $250 a few weeks back but now seems to be back up at $400. I think I'd get the 840 if it's $50 difference but the K2 if it were a $200 difference. My theory is that Hammer Head is discounting the K2 because they're getting ready to release the Karoo 3 but I have no idea. I haven't heard any rumors and it's a weird time to release a new product. 🤷♂. I guess it's one more thing to keep in mind while buying.
@@mlegrand yah the karoo 2 is 250€ whereas the edge 840 is 450€. Just really wanna get it right this time - I seem to have no sense of direction and need to get something that keeps me from riding in confused circles, after being unhappy with phone mounts and komoot, and then the Bosch Nyon (that literally sends me in circles sometimes).
I tend to recommend the Garmin 530 because of the mountain bike specific metrics that it provides. Have a look at see what you think. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Yes, that’s not great at all. 🤦♂️ I wonder if there’s any more they could adjust via software updates. It’s an interesting device and has tons of potential. Thanks for the feedback Steve 👍
I’ve had this and the 1030+, there is really only one thing that gives me pause: live tracking requiring a SIM card. I know it’s a functionality issue in that this thing is running android and it thinks it’s a phone so it REQUIRES an app that would allow it to transmit locations to some other device and vise versa. I’ve traded emails with their tech team about it and they say it’s on their list for later this year. It kind of makes me want to grab it and use it occasionally. Anyone have a good suggestion for a dirt cheap SIM card option? I’m sure as hell not throwing a Verizon sim in there. The battery only gave me an issue on a century ride. Running with tracking, navigation, and normal connected accessories killed my battery in like 4 hours. I will say that having the radar running and constantly pinging the computer was probably the culprit, but it does speak to the battery issue. I’m really considering trying it again and then using my 1030+ for long days. The reality is the garmin has the opposite problems: lasts a long time but you have to shoot someone in the leg to get them to release a software update and be damned if something new shows up.
I believe the usb port is watertight. I don't think there's much risk of getting water in the device without the plug (unless you submerge the device).
I’ve only heard of one guy who had water damage from that due to rain. So maybe it’s not a big deal but that port seems very odd to me the way it’s designed. I figure I’ll play it safe. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Good call Josh! I have a slight issue with the way I mount it and getting access to that USB-C port. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
At this point I would just like my karoo2 to work as it should. Sometimes after an update it won’t turn on. Annoying, but there is a way to wake it up. My biggest issue is that I can’t create a route. The unit allows me to drop one pin then that’s it. As far as needing to buy a new device when the battery dies, well, I’m not worried because I’ll never buy another Karoo.
Oh man, so sorry you’re having such a hard time with this device. I haven’t had the update issue that you’re talking about. I’m guessing that’s super frustrating. 😟 Lithium Ion batteries tend to start degrading after about 2 years. I think you’ll have some very interesting options. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Awesome vid, thanks. Any input on the latest issue: no way of dissmissing nor shutting up a Karoo2 that wants you to get back to your original route? As my rides usually involve lots of improvisation, that’s a major turnoff for me, from a bicycle computer that otherwise seems great!
The Hammer Head team will most likely fix it within a few weeks. They’re pretty good about that kind of stuff. So maybe wait to purchase until it’s fixed? Did you see this device on mega discount? Looks good. Although this could be some sort deal before they make the Karoo 3. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand It is on substantial discount right now! The dilemma is real, as a Karoo 3 has got to be around the corner since SRAM has now acquired the brand. I’d expect them to release a new version better aligned with the company’s style.
Double check that you're not in battery saver mode. Pull down the quick menu from the top of the screen to check. Overall, I haven't been super impressed with the battery of the Karoo 2 but I also haven't been doing any mega long rides lately. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand thanks that fixed it working on live track got sim for it but it dont show the route for people i share it with still trying to figue it out
I enjoy all your videos even being just a runner guy, why don't use a regular smartphone with a good case and all instead of these kind of devices?? i am thinking in my 13PM, with very large screen, huge battery life, IP68 etc.... i guess there will be an app for that too right? i don't get the point of having a specific device for this, but as i said i am just a runner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s just kind of nice having a dedicated device for cycling. It is possible but most phones don’t have Ant+ for example. (Power meter connection, etc) I also worry about wearing out phone battery life and I need my phone to work in case I have any bike issue or need to call for help. I guess same could be said for running. I coach high school kids that just use their phones to time their runs but I still prefer a dedicated watch. Seems much more glance-able. Thanks Alex!!!
Wish I would have watched this video before I ordered Karoo 2. I think its going back. I havent used it yet.. but I ride all mtb trails only.. no road cycling. I disliked the mount from the get-go. Anyways helpful quality content here! Thank you. Subbed.
Well, I actually like this computer quite a bit. It's obviously not the perfect device but it's not bad at all. I would say that Garmin does tend to have more mountain bike features in their Edge cycling computers. And Garmin is over due for an update to the 530 and 830. Thank you for watching, subscribing and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I'm thinking of jumping on the Hammerhead bandwagon as the tabs broke on my Garmin, and honestly having an easily replaced adapter seems like a nice feature
Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. These little plugs are cheap. I think you'll like Hammerhead. Although Garmin is overdue for an update and I'm very curious to see what they'll do next. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Ugggg, touch screens and rain. 🤦♂️ I think all touch screens should have button options that cover 100% of the functionality and can lock. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
thank you Matt for this! funny for my garmin 810 the rubber for the on/off rubber is gone.. but i have a silcon case... i am using it until it dies great editing of the climber
Awesome review. I have no interest in biking other than 30 min a week on paved trails, but I watch bc you do such a great job explaining it all. The screen looks awesome honestly. You did an absolutely fantastic job describing all of the pros and cons in full, and with such detail that applied to regular life. Genius add in w the solution on the port - that’s super useful. And ugh yes so well said the high up CTO person that is going to die on a hill w a concept that doesn’t make logical sense. I felt that way about Polar’s backlight issues for the longest time. And last - your video editing and intros are just so stellar, your transitions. It’s amazing I can’t do much of any of those things with my standard iMovie editing ha ha. And post post script - thank you so much for posting a video at 10 o’clock at night so that I can pause working on my tax returns for a little device detail goodness :)
Wow, thank you Joaquin!!! I have been seeing this computer on sale recently. I’m curious if Hammer Head has something new coming out soon. I haven’t seen any rumors but it’s got to happen at some point. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand I agree. Snagged one on sale which I’m prolly gonna return. The mnt bike features on Garmin 840 are game changing for me. As well as the training features….
I have just bought a Karoo 2 and I have , in general, set it up sucessfully . However one thing that annoys me about it is the fact that already i have lost the little rubber spud to stop the rain and dampness getting into the apparatus . Could it not be attached? A good honest opinion of the karoo and thank you .
Just did my first ride today with the K2 and I miss my Wahoo Bolt V2 already. 1st complain- my ride today did not automatically sync with the Sram app, I had to dl and upload the ride to my Sram app. Also, the AXS gearing is not showing up on the Sram app (not sure if this is on my part, if not, hopefully this will get fixed now that Sram acquired Hammerhead) 2nd complain- pretty much just like the 1st one, the ride did not sync to my Specialized App. Still learning how to use the device. Definitely getting the USB cover with the strap. Also, does anyone know where can I get a GoPro mount that will attached to the K2 mount? ✌🏼
I haven’t seen a GoPro mount for this mount yet. I also had the Bolt V2. That’s a great little device. This K2 is very different. I’d suggest you be patient on some of the syncing issues. I do think you’ll enjoy this device. It’s not perfect but it’s got some really impressive features. Let me know what you think as you keep using it. 👍
@@mlegrand I have 45 days to try it out. We’ll see what happens. The screen looks nice tho. My first ride was on a trail that surrounded by redwood trees, so there wasn’t much sunlight on the trail. The screen was so bright in the middle of nowhere lol!
Hi Matt! Great review! :) One little observation, according to Hammerhead the unit is waterproof without the rubbercap. I think at first they don't even include it in the package, they put it in because of user demand. And an of topic question, will you test the Polar Pacer Pro?
Yes, but I’ve read some people that have had water damage in this way. 😬 So I’d be hesitant. I am testing the Polar Pacer Pro! I wasn’t able to post a review on Wednesday because the unit was lost in the mail and I hadn’t had enough testing time. My initial thoughts are that it’s pretty good. If you like Polar, this is a good affordable option. Running Power, swimming, and all the other Polar goodness like sleep tracking. 👌 I’ll try to get an initial review out as soon as possible. Thanks!
Hi Matt, thanks for sharing. I actually watched your first review of this device and then other devices as well before I decided to purchase the Karoo 2 about 9 months ago.
I’ve been very happy with the device. I ride once a week (in Thailand), 60-75 KM, moving time 3-4.5 hrs and elapsed time around 5-6 hrs. I usually have the screen brightness around 50-60%, using maps & navigation around 80% of time during a ride. At the end of the ride, the remaining battery would be around 60%, so no issues with the battery life for me with the types of ride that I do.
Pricing wise, 9 months ago I thought it was the most value for money compared to Garmin 830 and Wahoo Roam, but I do understand it might better compare it to Garmin 1030.
What I love about the device:
1) the screen is so big and clear for navigation
2) the functionalities and menus are so intuitive (this is my first bike computer with GPS navigation)
3) easily connected to Komoot and Strava
4) The dashboard is simple, and I use it primary for updating the maps from Komoot while I use Strava for analysis of my ride
5) the climber feature is amazing before and during a climb
6) perhaps not directly about the device, but their support team is truly amazing. I had two tech issues which I didn’t know how to solve (duplicated routes from Komoot and re-routing with navigation not moving along my current location) both times their support team replies to my inquiries very quickly, and offered quick and easy instructions on how to solve my issues
7) the constant updates make me feel like I’m getting a better device every 2 weeks
8) how easy it is to connect with various sensors. I have a Garmin Varia and Giant dual sensors connected to it. Just turn on or activate the sensors, then it is so easy to find them on the device, then connect!
9) last (I think) but not least the way I can custom the profiles with maps and data pages, and how they simulate like on a real ride before I decide which one I want
10) the re-routing feature is very quick and helpful when I’m off courses.
What I don’t like or perhaps opportunities for improvement:
1) the turn by turn notifications and Garmin Varia alert for a vehicle coming up from behind are with the same beeping sound (not sure how it works on other devices), but would be great if it could be by different sound
2) the USB-C plug/cover. You’re right, so small it is easy to loose. I lost my after 7 months (not sure whether I should be proud that I held on to it for so long). There should be a way to attach it to the device by a cord, but I have solved this by buying the plug/cover in bulk just in case I loose it again
3) since I live outside US, it has been very difficult to find a silicone case for protection against dropping it
Very few things to dislike for the way that I use this device.
You can check out my Strava profile (www.strava.com/athletes/tmuadchaiyaphum)to see how it has been used since November’21.
Wow, amazing feedback. I really think this info will help others as they navigate their buying decision. Thank you for taking the time to write this up. 👌
Ok, super sorry that I keep calling the Hammerhead Climber feature "Climb Pro". Climb Pro is Garmin's climbing feature and Climber is what Hammerhead calls their feature. Sorry I mixed this up while talking. There's probably more mistakes. Let me know below 👇🏻
I thought the bottom left corrections were funny, they were on cue
@@ryan_sankar - Thanks Ryan! I wish I didn't have to make them but that's how it goes making these videos. 🤷🏻♂️
I have the wahoo bolt v2 just for simplicity. No need to waste time jerking with the fancy features and spend more time riding.
The Bolt v2 is a solid option. All else being equal I tend to gravitate towards simple devices that just get the job done. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Totally agree. I just need a reliable GPS device that displays some basic stats of my ride and a worry-free battery life is a must. Don't want any "advanced" feature that I rarely use. Also, I'm always suspicious of updates and frequent updates is annoying (even Wahoo's update cycle a bit annoying), because often, update fixes things and breaks others, especially when you introduce new features. That said, Wahoo devices, for what they offer, are overpriced in my country. I'll stick with my Bolt v1 until it dies. (I love the customizable LEDs and the fact that battery lasts even with the backlit on all day. Useful stuff don't need to be high tech.)
Cant just choose an address and go?!!! The most basic of functions that one would purchase abd expect this to do. In actual fact most of the GP computere do not... Why?
I wonder if the engineers are thinking people are intending to use this to make more cycling routes as apposed to using this for more traditional address look up and routing. 🤷♂️
Which bike computers would you recommend for mountain biking/trail riding?
The Garmin 840. 👌
Think that the Karoo 2 is worth getting now vs waiting for a new karoo or just getting the Garmin 840?
Are there any solid rumors of a Karoo 3 or anything? I haven’t heard anything recently. I’d probably go with the 840 but it’s a hard call at this point.
I don't own the device, so I am going to write in speculation on what I saw mentioned. Given, the device is built on top of android operating system, which is not battery efficient by nature, it should be expected to see a reduction in battery life. Android is built for a wide range of category for devices, so it makes it very difficult to fine tune the balance of performance and battery life for all devices. It is like comparing Windows to Mac, Mac has better battery life than most Windows laptops but Mac OS is tuned only for hardware that Mac's use. In general, computers don't handle extreme heat very efficiently, so I would expect that there would be some lost of battery health when it comes to these bike computers as well.
Good comparison Nick! It’s a great cycling computer in my opinion. And I love the amount of updates it gets. It has been a bit so maybe Hammerhead will update the Karoo 3 hardware at some point. 🤷🏻♂️
Good review. I'm a Karoo user since the first version. I've also used multiple Garmin services and the Wahoo Bolt. I think the Karoo has more to offer in the future than the other devices. Yes it's always evolving but with the OS being Android there are fewer limits on capabilities.
The cons of the device is very accurate the biggest being battery life but you can use battery saver mode and almost double the battery life per charge. The screen is easily the kink in the armor when it comes to battery life.
I'm using your link to get the rubber covers. I agree the cover should be connected to the device from the start. Sweat can easily ruin the device.
I personally like their device locking system but I don't want to buy all knew mounts. 🤷🏽♂️ So I keep up with that adapter. But like many I've broken my Karoo mount due to material non-impact failure.
Funny that the dashboard has somewhat improved over the years, but it's very limited when compared to others. I assume Karoo knows most uses a third party app or service so why bother. I think an app would improve the speed of using the various settings but not a deal breaker. How often does one go do diving into the settings? I will say that the Chrome browser extension is hands down one of the best if not the best mapping features of any cycling computer. The ability to one click and have a route that's on screen saved is perfection!!
I'm a techy so I'm looking forward to what else Hammerhead will bring. Yes it's not perfect, but it is interesting.
Great review and looking forward to more videos.
This is such fantastic feedback Dre V! Thanks so much for taking the time to write it up. I do really like this device but didn’t want to paint it as a perfect device. I honestly think Hammerhead is the company Garmin might fear most on the bike computer front. Their development cycles are smoking!!! Thanks so much for watching and commenting 🙌
Which third party app is the best? I have my first Karoo on the way!
@@StephanieLuff it depends on what you want to track. Socially I use Strava as almost everyone uses it. For analyzing my ride data I use intervals.ICU, I load my workouts/training plan onto Trainingpeaks, as it will download to the Karoo automatically. For the basics I would recommend Strava or the Hammerhead dashboard to just keep a record of your rides.
@@StephanieLuff - I'd hold off on installing third party apps unless there's something specific that you need but I would suggest linking it with third part apps like Kamoot, Strava, TrainingPeaks etc. Best of luck and let me know what you think when you get it!!!
Omg you must have been dying in the editing room and realizing you reversed the titling of the climbing function! And haha there’s a pinned comment about it. From a viewers perspective it is actual of zero big deal bc you explain it so well and anyone watching for this device knows the difference
But in all fun: It’s hilarious to watch. Like so funny. I’m laughing so hard (and yet not at all missing the points being made - even though I’m not a cyclist I think it’s super cool that it guesstimates the direction you’re heading and you don’t have to deal with uploading a route, that is my problem with Garmin’s “Climber” function :))
@@fitgearhunter - Oh I hate this feeling of messing up something over and over again like this. But I don't hate it enough to go back and re-record that section of video. I'll just live with that feeling of stupidity as a consequence. 🤦♂️
@@mlegrand seriously, man, it was no big deal. But as a fellow person creating videos it was freaking hilarious! In the most genuine and pure and innocent way (that only we can understand): Hilarious. The number of times the word “Climber” popped up on the bottom of the screen just made me laugh so hard. Sorry, I’m not in any way poking fun at what might be your pain I am just trying to make light of the situation because the continent was truly fantastic, and I do not cycle!
@@fitgearhunter - Nope no offense taken. I was laughing also at the repeated mistake. Only we get how frustrating these little mistakes can be. 😂
Still kinda interested in this one. Love that they keep updating it. Polar could learn a thing or two from them
Agreed 🙌 Hammerhead also just released a heat map feature that looks pretty interesting. The updates just keep coming. 👍
I have been a Polar user for a short time in the grand scheme of things, around one and a half year from now, but from that time and my personal experience, it looks like they are starting to change on that aspect with their current releases. I have had a Polar Vantage M2 during my time with Polar and during that time it surely has received updates: received a couple of firmware updates related to bug fixes and stability, received additional languages support, and new features as well, like notifications during training and sleep wise,
They are surely not perfect, and their release cycle is insanely slower compared to companies like these, but they are surely moving on the right track from what it seems. I am planning to change my Vantage M2 in the upcoming months, and it is probably going to be another Polar watch, probably the Grit X Pro should they have not launched an update on that line yet, because I like their metrics, the ecosystem and the support I have received over the years.
the usb-c plug now have the cover attached to the device.
Wait really? They’ve done a small design change?
@@mlegrandcan confirm, I just bought one during the sale ($219) and it has the cover attached. Excellent review btw!
@@zacharykuhns6060 - Awesome! Great fix by HH. Thanks for posting this!
The two week update cycle is cra cray!
I once dismissed a really good lap on a local climb. I was so angry!
okay what witchcraft is happening at 2:40 with the unboxing. THERE ARE NO HANDS!!!???
The first Hammerhead was THICK (heavy)
Was the dropping part of QC?
THANK GOODNESS there are audio queues. That was the biggest let down and why I sent back the first one.
YOU MOUNTAINBIKE WITHOUT GLOVES!?!??
Hehehe, Climber v Climb Pro. Names are dumb!
Uffa! That battery life is ROUGH. I love my 1030's ability to put the screen to sleep. Extends battery life by a lot!
Ohhhh, would you show the world your bike room set up!? Or maybe just me- I'm curious! (the "I lost the Garmin connector" remark made me think of this!)
Super fair assessment, great job! Tough to do a review of somethng that keeps changing. I completely agree
My bike room is a bit ugly so I tend not to show it much. I recently have been doing stuff in the garage also. I’m thinking I need an entire film studio where we could have bike trainers set up and a few different sets. This YT channel is such a smart investment 💰
So I just bought Garmin edge explore 2 as my first bike computer and I am soooo annoyed from it. It so slow....and unintuitive. Thinking to send it back....You think Karoo 2 for mtb is not the best? I mean for me is important navigation....using GPX from Trialforks or Komoot will be possible or? And second feature I need Is heart rate monitor ... except of that I want smooth experience.
TrailForks is on Garmin devices and I think Wahoo just added it to their computers. I don’t know that it’s available as smoothly for the Karoo 2. Heart rate monitors should be equally smooth on any of these devices. Just search and pair it. If you’re just biking with it, I’d probably go for something affordable. I made a video on two cheap HRM here on this channel. Keep me posted on what you end up doing and how it all works out! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Which bike computer would you choose Matt??? if you had no money limit, and if you had around Us.450 as budget???. Im a triathlon enthusiast but often enjoy some MTB rides
If you’re into MTBing, I’d probably pick up some sort of Garmin. They have a few more mountain bike specific features that I like. The 830 and 530 are getting a bit old in the product cycle, so I’d look at rumor sites for the next iterations. 840/540 presumably. 🤷🏻♂️ Garmin hasn’t mentioned anything to me (I don’t speculate if they’ve mentioned something to me, and I’m speculating) But I’d probably hold out for the 840 if you can wait a bit.
Thanks for the review! Soo, as you're saying there are better options for mountainbikers, what would you recommend? Looking for something that really helps me figure out the right way to go on those weird trail crossroads that can have like 6+ paths.
I think the Garmin Edge 840 with the Trail Forks app option is the best for mountain biking.
@@mlegrand thank you! I just checked out trailforks since I first heard from it just now, but it doesn't really know any of the trails in my area so I guess I'll stay with komoot planning. The Edge 840 still looks good though. Is the almost twice as high price as the karoo2 justified?
@@silvie4518 - If you can get a good price on the Karoo 2 than I would go for it. It was on sale here in the US for $250 a few weeks back but now seems to be back up at $400. I think I'd get the 840 if it's $50 difference but the K2 if it were a $200 difference. My theory is that Hammer Head is discounting the K2 because they're getting ready to release the Karoo 3 but I have no idea. I haven't heard any rumors and it's a weird time to release a new product. 🤷♂. I guess it's one more thing to keep in mind while buying.
@@mlegrand yah the karoo 2 is 250€ whereas the edge 840 is 450€. Just really wanna get it right this time - I seem to have no sense of direction and need to get something that keeps me from riding in confused circles, after being unhappy with phone mounts and komoot, and then the Bosch Nyon (that literally sends me in circles sometimes).
@@silvie4518 - That’s a damn good price. 👍
What is a recommended GPS-Bike-Computer for mountain biking? Thanks!
I tend to recommend the Garmin 530 because of the mountain bike specific metrics that it provides. Have a look at see what you think. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Love everything except the battery life went on a ride this afternoon with 30% on the dial and it died on me in an hour and a quarter. Thats not good.
Yes, that’s not great at all. 🤦♂️ I wonder if there’s any more they could adjust via software updates. It’s an interesting device and has tons of potential. Thanks for the feedback Steve 👍
I’ve had this and the 1030+, there is really only one thing that gives me pause: live tracking requiring a SIM card. I know it’s a functionality issue in that this thing is running android and it thinks it’s a phone so it REQUIRES an app that would allow it to transmit locations to some other device and vise versa. I’ve traded emails with their tech team about it and they say it’s on their list for later this year.
It kind of makes me want to grab it and use it occasionally. Anyone have a good suggestion for a dirt cheap SIM card option? I’m sure as hell not throwing a Verizon sim in there.
The battery only gave me an issue on a century ride. Running with tracking, navigation, and normal connected accessories killed my battery in like 4 hours. I will say that having the radar running and constantly pinging the computer was probably the culprit, but it does speak to the battery issue. I’m really considering trying it again and then using my 1030+ for long days. The reality is the garmin has the opposite problems: lasts a long time but you have to shoot someone in the leg to get them to release a software update and be damned if something new shows up.
I believe the usb port is watertight. I don't think there's much risk of getting water in the device without the plug (unless you submerge the device).
I’ve only heard of one guy who had water damage from that due to rain. So maybe it’s not a big deal but that port seems very odd to me the way it’s designed. I figure I’ll play it safe. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
hello for the battery
I use a battery bank to get more battery time
Good call Josh! I have a slight issue with the way I mount it and getting access to that USB-C port. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
At this point I would just like my karoo2 to work as it should. Sometimes after an update it won’t turn on. Annoying, but there is a way to wake it up. My biggest issue is that I can’t create a route. The unit allows me to drop one pin then that’s it. As far as needing to buy a new device when the battery dies, well, I’m not worried because I’ll never buy another Karoo.
Oh man, so sorry you’re having such a hard time with this device. I haven’t had the update issue that you’re talking about. I’m guessing that’s super frustrating. 😟
Lithium Ion batteries tend to start degrading after about 2 years. I think you’ll have some very interesting options. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
So, you are saying that the original Hammerhead could be used as an actual hammer in an emergency.
Only if you had enough muscle to pick it up! 😂
Awesome vid, thanks. Any input on the latest issue: no way of dissmissing nor shutting up a Karoo2 that wants you to get back to your original route? As my rides usually involve lots of improvisation, that’s a major turnoff for me, from a bicycle computer that otherwise seems great!
The Hammer Head team will most likely fix it within a few weeks. They’re pretty good about that kind of stuff. So maybe wait to purchase until it’s fixed? Did you see this device on mega discount? Looks good. Although this could be some sort deal before they make the Karoo 3. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand It is on substantial discount right now! The dilemma is real, as a Karoo 3 has got to be around the corner since SRAM has now acquired the brand. I’d expect them to release a new version better aligned with the company’s style.
have they done a udate where it can charge without going to sleep as it useless without beening able to charge while riding
Double check that you're not in battery saver mode. Pull down the quick menu from the top of the screen to check. Overall, I haven't been super impressed with the battery of the Karoo 2 but I also haven't been doing any mega long rides lately. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand thanks that fixed it working on live track got sim for it but it dont show the route for people i share it with still trying to figue it out
I enjoy all your videos even being just a runner guy, why don't use a regular smartphone with a good case and all instead of these kind of devices?? i am thinking in my 13PM, with very large screen, huge battery life, IP68 etc.... i guess there will be an app for that too right? i don't get the point of having a specific device for this, but as i said i am just a runner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s just kind of nice having a dedicated device for cycling. It is possible but most phones don’t have Ant+ for example. (Power meter connection, etc) I also worry about wearing out phone battery life and I need my phone to work in case I have any bike issue or need to call for help.
I guess same could be said for running. I coach high school kids that just use their phones to time their runs but I still prefer a dedicated watch. Seems much more glance-able. Thanks Alex!!!
@@mlegrand thanks for your kind answer!!
Wish I would have watched this video before I ordered Karoo 2. I think its going back. I havent used it yet.. but I ride all mtb trails only.. no road cycling. I disliked the mount from the get-go. Anyways helpful quality content here! Thank you. Subbed.
Well, I actually like this computer quite a bit. It's obviously not the perfect device but it's not bad at all. I would say that Garmin does tend to have more mountain bike features in their Edge cycling computers. And Garmin is over due for an update to the 530 and 830. Thank you for watching, subscribing and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand for someone who rides all trail systems, do you think the karoo 2 is a viable option?
@@tomacheteful - I think it’s a decent option but I think you may prefer access to something like TrailForks on Garmin. 🤷🏻♂️
I'm thinking of jumping on the Hammerhead bandwagon as the tabs broke on my Garmin, and honestly having an easily replaced adapter seems like a nice feature
Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. These little plugs are cheap. I think you'll like Hammerhead. Although Garmin is overdue for an update and I'm very curious to see what they'll do next. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand thanks for the detailed review, it's great to have user experience vs "pro riders who also happen to be investors" 😄
for me 2 drawbacks, the weight and the battery.
forget to mention other important drawback to me, its completely unusable in the rain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ugggg, touch screens and rain. 🤦♂️ I think all touch screens should have button options that cover 100% of the functionality and can lock. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
thank you Matt for this! funny for my garmin 810 the rubber for the on/off rubber is gone.. but i have a silcon case... i am using it until it dies
great editing of the climber
What do you think you’ll switch to after the 810? Maybe see what Garmin does next?
@@mlegrand not sure to be honest between 1030+ and wahoo and maybe the new karoo...
@@bonn1771 - yeah, and I'd expect some interesting announcements in the near future. 👍🏻
Awesome review. I have no interest in biking other than 30 min a week on paved trails, but I watch bc you do such a great job explaining it all.
The screen looks awesome honestly. You did an absolutely fantastic job describing all of the pros and cons in full, and with such detail that applied to regular life.
Genius add in w the solution on the port - that’s super useful.
And ugh yes so well said the high up CTO person that is going to die on a hill w a concept that doesn’t make logical sense. I felt that way about Polar’s backlight issues for the longest time.
And last - your video editing and intros are just so stellar, your transitions. It’s amazing I can’t do much of any of those things with my standard iMovie editing ha ha.
And post post script - thank you so much for posting a video at 10 o’clock at night so that I can pause working on my tax returns for a little device detail goodness :)
Ha! You're so welcome! Get those taxes finished by Monday buddy!!!
@@mlegrand haha will do. Thanks for the welcomed distraction though.
Absolutely love your reviews. Been watching for a while. Now a subscriber. Keep up the great content!
Wow, thank you Joaquin!!! I have been seeing this computer on sale recently. I’m curious if Hammer Head has something new coming out soon. I haven’t seen any rumors but it’s got to happen at some point. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand I agree. Snagged one on sale which I’m prolly gonna return. The mnt bike features on Garmin 840 are game changing for me. As well as the training features….
I have just bought a Karoo 2 and I have , in general, set it up sucessfully . However one thing that annoys me about it is the fact that already i have lost the little rubber spud to stop the rain and dampness getting into the apparatus . Could it not be attached? A good honest opinion of the karoo and thank you .
Yeah, it’s not perfect but it a good device. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Just did my first ride today with the K2 and I miss my Wahoo Bolt V2 already.
1st complain- my ride today did not automatically sync with the Sram app, I had to dl and upload the ride to my Sram app. Also, the AXS gearing is not showing up on the Sram app (not sure if this is on my part, if not, hopefully this will get fixed now that Sram acquired Hammerhead)
2nd complain- pretty much just like the 1st one, the ride did not sync to my Specialized App.
Still learning how to use the device.
Definitely getting the USB cover with the strap.
Also, does anyone know where can I get a GoPro mount that will attached to the K2 mount? ✌🏼
I haven’t seen a GoPro mount for this mount yet. I also had the Bolt V2. That’s a great little device. This K2 is very different. I’d suggest you be patient on some of the syncing issues. I do think you’ll enjoy this device. It’s not perfect but it’s got some really impressive features. Let me know what you think as you keep using it. 👍
@@mlegrand I have 45 days to try it out. We’ll see what happens. The screen looks nice tho. My first ride was on a trail that surrounded by redwood trees, so there wasn’t much sunlight on the trail. The screen was so bright in the middle of nowhere lol!
@@AREMPEE - sounds like an amazing ride! 🙌
Hi Matt! Great review! :) One little observation, according to Hammerhead the unit is waterproof without the rubbercap. I think at first they don't even include it in the package, they put it in because of user demand.
And an of topic question, will you test the Polar Pacer Pro?
Yes, but I’ve read some people that have had water damage in this way. 😬 So I’d be hesitant.
I am testing the Polar Pacer Pro! I wasn’t able to post a review on Wednesday because the unit was lost in the mail and I hadn’t had enough testing time. My initial thoughts are that it’s pretty good. If you like Polar, this is a good affordable option. Running Power, swimming, and all the other Polar goodness like sleep tracking. 👌 I’ll try to get an initial review out as soon as possible. Thanks!
@@mlegrand Sorry I didn't hear about the water damage issue. I never had a Polar, but the Pacer Pro looks like a great watch :)
@@Tamas_Torok - Yeah, this Pacer Pro seems like a good option.