this unit saved me in so many ways on my recent multi-state bike tour. I had zero service in the middle of no-where Vermont and had not a care in the world due to the Karoo 2...I had the first one too but this is a much better fit for my set-up. If you want a navigation devise that works off-line just as good as your phone then I cannot recommend this enough.
@@8584zender I got the Karoo 2 a while ago and I couldn't be happier. Best bike computer right now in my opinion (I have owned several in the past including Garmin).
I just made the switch from the roam to karoo2. I like the bigger display because I can see more fields. The battery life and the time of day is automatically on the computer at the top, so it does not use up a field. All the standard features work the same as wahoo. The thing I am disappointed with Karoo 2 is the dasboard/companion app. It does not download all the ride profiles into the app. Wahoo beats the karoo there, hands down. I miss the wahoo power profiles provided at the end of the ride.
@@Zone2Cycling The thing with the karoo is that if enough people request a feature, they literally will do it. I follow the hammerhead forums and you have direct communication with tech support. You will be amazed of how they listen to customers and add features. They do software updates every few weeks.
I haven't even seen this video yet and I'm excited. I avoided pre-ordering until I'd seen some reviews (ie yours!). The only features I care about are good screen, mapping quality, on the fly routing, and ideally knowing gradient profile of upcoming climbs. Fingers crossed!
I have the Karoo 1 had it for ages and love it. Had some great rides using the navigation and I do have upcoming height profile on routes. I have used live tracking many times and worked great. I will be keeping the Karoo 1 as long as possible because I think the big screen is its USP and separates it from other bike computers
The biggest thing that I love about the Karoo2 is the battery life in conjunction with being able to sideload android apps. I have a Garmin Fenix 6S I was using for music and navigation etc previously, but it would absolutely chew through the battery on long rides. 5 hours was the max I could get, but after sideloading Spotify and caching my playlists, I only burned through 7% in an hour. My Aftershokz will die before the Karoo2 will on my longer endurance rides.
@@oliverroberson7946 I like it a lot! Battery life is around the same as my previous Garmin Edge 520. Sometimes it’s 10-12%/hr, sometimes up to 16-18%/hr (Sensors: speed, HR, power, Varia, Di2, no BT phone, brightness 100%)
Usually great reviews, but I found this one lacking. The obvious question was never really addressed - would you, or most people actually prefer this unit over a Wahoo or Garmin?
I was one of the very first to pre-order the karoo2 in August. On Monday I received an email to complete my order. God knows when my device will actually arrive. I hope it’s worth the wait.
Had a discussion with Hammerhead support and a lot of updates are coming! Here’s what they says: - Vo2 max - is on our roadmap, and planned for later - We do have Varia radar, and ANT+ lights will be implemented in the next update. It is ready now for internal tests - We have released our first version on app store in the recent ATG release, and gradully will be expanding based on the riders needs - Power drop out - is highly critical to us, and no hiding the fact that this is an issue. We intend to get a robust sensors connection. - D-fly configuration - is on our roadmap, and planned for later - Once we have our Dashboard build out as analytics tools, this should soon be possible to view the elevation profile. We are workign on it right now, and soon to be moved to development.
Like any software developments, updates are happening at the speed of thoughts. It doesn’t shock me. I understand that full compatibility with any accessories is complicated, takes time and can be updated later on with software update. Most important is that the hardware is 100% ready
Karoo v1 was great, and the reviews of the "beta" v2 a couple months ago also sounded great. That's why I bought it. Now this was the first review of the final version of the product that I came across. Anyhow, this is only available online, so you won't know how good it is until you actually buy and get it. Everything else is nothing but an opinion of such reviewers...
I bought the karoo1 and promptly returned it after learning it doesn't have sound. Company tried as hard to defend it but it is really ridiculous for a navigation device to have no aural alert. Will probably get this one after getting issues with lost satellites on 1030
I missed the pre-order window and I'm no stuck in a position of not having a good nav computer until March or splurging on a different make. And your review ain't making the decision easy, this device is looking very appealing
The "false positive" turn right presented about 8:30min is not a mistake. This is the roundabout, so you cannot go straight cutting the roundabout. I think the navigation worked great.
If you turned right, then that’s incorrect. If it said take 2nd right turn, then that’s correct. Every other GPS, bother cycling and automotive, correctly states/handles this.
Not popping up the map is a deal breaker for me, I recall the Edge 800 (I think) didn’t pop-up the map at launch and Garmin quickly added that feature back (as they removed it), for the reasons given Ray, I always come back to this point.... you would never buy a car GPS with a hidden map, they missed the obvious here in my humble opinion
I agree. It's more important to know you're going the right way than keeping any other data on screen. I'll see how much it bothers me when mine arrives. I emailed Hammerhead in September about this and got this reply ; "You’re totally right, this would be a valuable feature for us to add and I too personally feel the same. I have already forwarded this whole email conversation to the Product team and have added your vote for this feature request. Your feedback is enormously valuable to us and we always value those who are keen to give us their feedback. Please keep providing regular insights and suggestions. We appreciate you taking the time to do so. Let me know if you have any further questions. Best Regards, Hari Hammerhead" The thing is you should buy a product for what it can do now, not what they might implement in the future as nothing is guaranteed
33rd like. Should like more. Amazing content as ever. I'm hating on my new washed out Edge 1030 plus screen, probably yet another defective unit, crashed day one at end well used Strava segment, literally out box never touched, sync'd and ridden. Thanks Garmin
Delaying ordering will definitely help increase supply in March, think of all those potential Christmas and new years customers that will buy something else in the meantime. 🤔
Thanks! I'm not sure if I'll get a video knocked out - but I did recently publish an in-depth post on it: www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/10/wattbike-smart-review.html
Breaking my heart with that Atom review (erg mode 😢) after a 20 week wait in the UK but the truth hurts haha! I’ve had it 3 weeks now. Pros - racing/free riding using Ant plus the gears are very responsive and I use the wattbike app at the same time to be able to see the gears. Solid piece of kit so sprinting feels very good and it looks fairly cool as well. Cons- embarrassingly it took a week to realise that using Bluetooth (to be able to see the gears) It was acting as a dummy trainer/non smart so wasn’t able to feel any resistance!!! I use a brand new gaming laptop as well with windows 10 and I’m seeing over people online are having the same with no resistance. Not sure if you’ve come across this yet and any fixes? Or maybe the simple answer is just use Ant plus. I’m not even going to attempt to use Erg mode in its current state 😭.
The maps are excellent in my area - very twisty, lots of interlacing trails (Gatineau Park, National Capital Region, Canada). And whatever the source for the trails is it shows things like little side trails that google maps and even Strava doesn't have in their dataset.This is quite material for winter riding when you don't want to spend too much time backtracking your fat bike on foot :) But that may be the issue: these maps are great for this specific area, but the dataset and maps may not be that good elsewhere. I don't really travel to MTB destinations to know any better - even in a normal year, much less in the current conditions.
3 Questions: My Plan voor 2024: bikepacking 1500km through Spain and Portugal. 80-120km/day. Strong sunlight. I don't bring a laptop. I make all routes on iPhone in Komoot. 1/Can I transfer routes from iPhone to Karoo while on the road without wifi connection? 2/ Can I change my route during a trip without wifi connection? 3/ Is K2 usable in hard sunlight?
IMO the K2, like the K1 is nice, but unless I’m missing something substantive, absent the touchscreen, I haven’t seen enough transitional engineering to move me off my Wahoo Elemnt... 🤷🏽♂️
I do have the Karoo 1. It's somewhat of a mixed feeling. The Zwift companion app while on the Kickr is nice, and I like the Stava integration (when it works- segments are really limited). But battery life is just a pain in the ass and sometimes the sensor integration is buggy. Still thinking about switching to the Roam or the 1030 plus. Regarding the Karoo 2- that shipping/pre order thing is really a draw back...
Very helpful just got my Karoo 2. A replacement for the original model as the usb charger port failed :( Still cant get a spare port and ribbon cable due to COVID-19!
Great video! How do you deal with adhoc route changes or spontaneous waypoint additions? I only know the "Place Pin" feature where you can move around on the map, place the pin and navigate there while you are actually in navigation mode already. But this is quite cumbersome if you don't know where you are...
Thanks for the review. Would you recommend it over Garmin 830 or the Elemnt Roam? I want to get a new computer but waiting until March for the Karoo 2 seems unlikely, so I might go for some of the other two.
Hi a few questions related to ultra cycling. 1) does it work in continuing rain, have had garmins than freaked out when they got wet and was practically useless? 2) can you charge the device while riding, it is pretty important as my rides easily outlasts the battery time? 3) does the navigations work without the phone connection?
I'm curious about the rain resistance as well, the fact that touchscreens have trouble working when wet is the reason I tend to gravitate towards a Wahoo, because buttons will work for 99,9% of the time.
Can I tell the device what kind of roads I want to use for rerouting? I think garmin does not allow that and sent me on some gravel roads with my road bike.
Wow that oncoming car at 9:38 was a bit close...you have such things as minimum distances in The Netherlands? Oh and I cancelled my pre-order of this. Went for a Garmin 1030 instead coz I couldn't wait that long coz they had pre-order delays.
I ordered the Karoo 2 about a month ago with the gift card thing they offered for $579CDN just visited their site and it shows the cost at $840CDN. Did they increase the price by $300CDN or am I seeing this wrong? That's a lot for this unit, I was ok paying $579 but no thanks for $840. They best ship my for the price I ordered.
Now I have a Garmin Edge 820 with Open Streetmap AND map Fietsenknooppunt. Easy for easy rides. Is that on the Karoo 2 also possible ?? I orded one in december..
To be clear this does not come with any sensors. I went to the website and could not find any that might come with in any bundle. Could not find a customer service number to call.
What am I missing on specific computer vs using cyclemeter on my iPhone? In almost every case you’ll bring the phone with you, so why not just make use of the speed/screen/etc of the single device? Honest question. Why go with the second device as well?
apparently bumps and riding destroys optical stabilisation on more recent phones. But more generally, it's the battery life - with my Garmin, I've logged 8 hours+ rides wtih GPS AND screen on all the time. Now try that with the smallest iPhone, say iPhone 12 mini.
I often wonder this myself. IPhone doesn't have Ant+ though. Samsung does . The apps though are not as good as the default software you get on the dedicated cycling computers
@@lechprotean destroying the optics doesn't sound great at all, I'll consider that. As for battery, I've mounted a small usb battery pack directly under my stem and use a short charging cable to my phone on a QuadLock - it works very well!
@@tomar5e115 That's where I'm not sure I agree, even in Ray's videos, the new Karoo 2 doesn't seem to be super speedy at changing screens - I feel like that sort of lag would be annoying. The phones are so fast! I'm using cyclemeter which I find works very well. I do sometimes use ridewithgps for turn by turn directions too - it calls them out audibly. I want to be convinced to get a Karoo/other device, just can't seem to make the switch, especially when I'm going to have to carry my phone in my pocket regardless.
Hi Ray, familiar surrondings :) Question: I've a Wahoo Elmnt and was wondering if the K2 would be an upgrade for me. I find the Elmnt a bit lagging during routing on rides. Also rerouting on the fly is a pain. This summer I'm going to the Alps on my own and would like to know if switching to the K2 is a good idea. Greetings from The Netherlands
Im new to buying one of these devices.....I am super interested in buying one of these but maybe it is a stupid question, but, would I need to buy a power meter for my crank also after buying this? Does it give you power output etc? TIA!
@@Dcrainmaker maybe features is the wrong word, but I miss the customizability of the workout screen. I always ride with a powermeter but I’d rather know my heartrate than my cadence. When you finish an interval while you are on a different screen than the workout screen, you will get a notification about your last interval, but you don’t get a notification about which target you need to hit on the interval that just started. So you will have to swipe back to your workout screen to see the target. They are all small things, I know. But they are also things that just work on Garmin or Wahoo. I feel like there is a lot of potential but also still a lot of work. I will probably keep my Karoo 2 because of the great map and routing system, I just hope the possibilities with workouts will expand soon.
Why are these high end cycling computers all touch screen? I love my elemnt bolt for not having touch screen but actual buttons. When you are sweating or doing a big effort its always better to have actual buttons. I don't get why people pick a smartphone like design over a sober functional lay out which just does what it's for
Living in Denmark ordering K2 in US gives me heavy import tax and 25% vat. Can you recommend any Dutch dealer that will ship to Denmark? Great feed, thanks.
Could you point out or compare maps information/ details like contour lines for Mtb routing, I don’t think Karoo has contour map lines, Do any other bike computers have? Are Garmin or wahoo maps better data set? Mtb vs Road Bike Computers ?
My two questions are, can i use it like car navman, i.e. pit in a destination and it takes me there with off route corrections? Two can you get a wahoo to hamerhead adapter?
Is it worth it compared to a small and/or rugged Android phone in a proper mount (e.g. Palm Phone), running Strava and whatever goodness you can get from the Play Store? I think not.... but would have liked your take on it.
I did run phones until now ... and I ordered a Karoo. I had to run at least 2 apps .. one for navigating, one for the sensors and if it rains you have no option than leave them in the bag... Cause you either have a water proof mount (which is either ugly or only available for expensive phones) or a water proof phone ... Which is also expensive
Hi, did you use the K2 in darkness? The K1 was a blinding nightmare on my winter commuts. Are there any touch input lags and can i upload any openstreefmap map tiles?
Are profiles also map to a strava user? I found out that no gps does this atm (or maybe I'm wrong) but I like to share my gps unit to my girlfriend or roommate sometimes when they want to have an indoor training session, unfortunately it always auto syncs to my strava and I have to export/delete it/share it with them/they upload it on their strava everytime manually. I wish you could just switch a profile, that new profile would be mapped to new sensors (for their bike) but also a different strava profile (for their activities). Let me know if my question is unclear ^^
I like how the main "problems" with the Karoo 2 is things that can be updated via software updates. Makes the foundation really strong to build on.
this unit saved me in so many ways on my recent multi-state bike tour. I had zero service in the middle of no-where Vermont and had not a care in the world due to the Karoo 2...I had the first one too but this is a much better fit for my set-up. If you want a navigation devise that works off-line just as good as your phone then I cannot recommend this enough.
Karoo 2 vs wahoo roam please !!
just get the garmin 830. dont mess around with boutique brands for something like this.
@@8584zender I got the Karoo 2 a while ago and I couldn't be happier. Best bike computer right now in my opinion (I have owned several in the past including Garmin).
I just made the switch from the roam to karoo2. I like the bigger display because I can see more fields. The battery life and the time of day is automatically on the computer at the top, so it does not use up a field. All the standard features work the same as wahoo. The thing I am disappointed with Karoo 2 is the dasboard/companion app. It does not download all the ride profiles into the app. Wahoo beats the karoo there, hands down. I miss the wahoo power profiles provided at the end of the ride.
@@Zone2Cycling The thing with the karoo is that if enough people request a feature, they literally will do it. I follow the hammerhead forums and you have direct communication with tech support. You will be amazed of how they listen to customers and add features. They do software updates every few weeks.
I haven't even seen this video yet and I'm excited. I avoided pre-ordering until I'd seen some reviews (ie yours!). The only features I care about are good screen, mapping quality, on the fly routing, and ideally knowing gradient profile of upcoming climbs. Fingers crossed!
I have the Karoo 1 had it for ages and love it. Had some great rides using the navigation and I do have upcoming height profile on routes. I have used live tracking many times and worked great. I will be keeping the Karoo 1 as long as possible because I think the big screen is its USP and separates it from other bike computers
The biggest thing that I love about the Karoo2 is the battery life in conjunction with being able to sideload android apps. I have a Garmin Fenix 6S I was using for music and navigation etc previously, but it would absolutely chew through the battery on long rides. 5 hours was the max I could get, but after sideloading Spotify and caching my playlists, I only burned through 7% in an hour. My Aftershokz will die before the Karoo2 will on my longer endurance rides.
I ordered mine 4 days ago and received it yesterday (no pre-order). Amazing piece of tech!
How do you like it? What it the battery life like?
@@oliverroberson7946 I like it a lot! Battery life is around the same as my previous Garmin Edge 520. Sometimes it’s 10-12%/hr, sometimes up to 16-18%/hr (Sensors: speed, HR, power, Varia, Di2, no BT phone, brightness 100%)
Usually great reviews, but I found this one lacking. The obvious question was never really addressed - would you, or most people actually prefer this unit over a Wahoo or Garmin?
Just finalized my pre order to a delivery in a few weeks. Stoked.
Woot!
I was one of the very first to pre-order the karoo2 in August. On Monday I received an email to complete my order. God knows when my device will actually arrive. I hope it’s worth the wait.
Had a discussion with Hammerhead support and a lot of updates are coming! Here’s what they says:
- Vo2 max - is on our roadmap, and planned for later
- We do have Varia radar, and ANT+ lights will be implemented in the next update. It is ready now for internal tests
- We have released our first version on app store in the recent ATG release, and gradully will be expanding based on the riders needs
- Power drop out - is highly critical to us, and no hiding the fact that this is an issue. We intend to get a robust sensors connection.
- D-fly configuration - is on our roadmap, and planned for later
- Once we have our Dashboard build out as analytics tools, this should soon be possible to view the elevation profile. We are workign on it right now, and soon to be moved to development.
Like any software developments, updates are happening at the speed of thoughts. It doesn’t shock me. I understand that full compatibility with any accessories is complicated, takes time and can be updated later on with software update. Most important is that the hardware is 100% ready
Finally bought mine today (not pre-order) and was wondering who was dropping a detailed review... DCR, ofc 👍
Why would you buy without knowing if its even good?...
Karoo v1 was great, and the reviews of the "beta" v2 a couple months ago also sounded great. That's why I bought it.
Now this was the first review of the final version of the product that I came across.
Anyhow, this is only available online, so you won't know how good it is until you actually buy and get it. Everything else is nothing but an opinion of such reviewers...
@@kidShibuya you have a 45-days return policy if you don't like it
Just in time for my Christmas stocking list :) I’m looking forward to your future ride and navigation reviews
Really stoked! I should be in the next 'wave' 😀 ... Thanks again for IMHO The best reviews out there!
I bought the karoo1 and promptly returned it after learning it doesn't have sound. Company tried as hard to defend it but it is really ridiculous for a navigation device to have no aural alert. Will probably get this one after getting issues with lost satellites on 1030
I missed the pre-order window and I'm no stuck in a position of not having a good nav computer until March or splurging on a different make. And your review ain't making the decision easy, this device is looking very appealing
The website says pre-orders will ship in January (while supplies last). Maybe there is still time!
9:13 alright, who in 2021 is still hunting for Strava segments? it was fun for the first season they made this feature
I have loads of live segments that I'm still trying to beat my PR. Why would I not?
Being able to accumulate zwift miles while riding outdoors is the golden feature
😆
Finally a reason to ride outside!
The "false positive" turn right presented about 8:30min is not a mistake. This is the roundabout, so you cannot go straight cutting the roundabout. I think the navigation worked great.
If you turned right, then that’s incorrect. If it said take 2nd right turn, then that’s correct. Every other GPS, bother cycling and automotive, correctly states/handles this.
This is an amazing tool! Quick and easy!
Are there sw updates available since the release?
Would be interested if they made something small like a 530 for mountain biking
Plus they offer a 45-days return policy. I pre-ordered it after my gf asked if I would sell her my Karoo 1 when she saw the annoucement of the v2 😄🥰
By the time March comes around for new orders, they will be close to moving onto Karoo 3 and another form factor.
Not popping up the map is a deal breaker for me, I recall the Edge 800 (I think) didn’t pop-up the map at launch and Garmin quickly added that feature back (as they removed it), for the reasons given Ray, I always come back to this point.... you would never buy a car GPS with a hidden map, they missed the obvious here in my humble opinion
I agree. It's more important to know you're going the right way than keeping any other data on screen. I'll see how much it bothers me when mine arrives. I emailed Hammerhead in September about this and got this reply ;
"You’re totally right, this would be a valuable feature for us to add and I too personally feel the same. I have already forwarded this whole email conversation to the Product team and have added your vote for this feature request.
Your feedback is enormously valuable to us and we always value those who are keen to give us their feedback.
Please keep providing regular insights and suggestions. We appreciate you taking the time to do so.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Best Regards,
Hari
Hammerhead"
The thing is you should buy a product for what it can do now, not what they might implement in the future as nothing is guaranteed
@@reynoldsclan5183 So did they ever add this feature?
Been waiting for it
First!
Great review!
Damn I just thought about the Karoo2 😅😂 Timing is perfect!!!!
See...I can read your thoughts. 😂
Haha just ordered yesterday.. now I’ve come here to cry. Buyer’s remorse.
And I just cancelled my preorder😀
Can you do another head to head of all the bike computers
Very tempted now!
@@Dcrainmaker please!!! Roam vs karoo
@@FRamirez1A And the new Bolt v2, because it appears to be very similar to the Roam.
@@Stoney3K I got the karoo 2. I couldn't be happier with my decision!
33rd like. Should like more. Amazing content as ever. I'm hating on my new washed out Edge 1030 plus screen, probably yet another defective unit, crashed day one at end well used Strava segment, literally out box never touched, sync'd and ridden. Thanks Garmin
Delaying ordering will definitely help increase supply in March, think of all those potential Christmas and new years customers that will buy something else in the meantime. 🤔
Hey Ray, wrong tags... Whacked that like button anyway.
Uh oh - wrong tags? Where?
@@Dcrainmaker says wahoo / rival in description
@@Dcrainmaker #WahooRival #Wahoo #Rival right at the top :)
@@lifeincycling Ahhh...phew! Quick and easy fix. Copy/paste of my standard link failure! Thanks!
Quality review as usual DC! A viable alternative to Wahoo and Garmin.
Side note will you be doing a video on the new wattbike atom next generation?
Thanks! I'm not sure if I'll get a video knocked out - but I did recently publish an in-depth post on it: www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/10/wattbike-smart-review.html
Breaking my heart with that Atom review (erg mode 😢) after a 20 week wait in the UK but the truth hurts haha!
I’ve had it 3 weeks now.
Pros - racing/free riding using Ant plus the gears are very responsive and I use the wattbike app at the same time to be able to see the gears. Solid piece of kit so sprinting feels very good and it looks fairly cool as well.
Cons- embarrassingly it took a week to realise that using Bluetooth (to be able to see the gears) It was acting as a dummy trainer/non smart so wasn’t able to feel any resistance!!!
I use a brand new gaming laptop as well with windows 10 and I’m seeing over people online are having the same with no resistance.
Not sure if you’ve come across this yet and any fixes? Or maybe the simple answer is just use Ant plus.
I’m not even going to attempt to use Erg mode in its current state 😭.
Is this the only bike computer that uses USB-C? As crazy as it sounds, that is a very attractive feature.
Are the maps any good for mountain biking?
The maps are excellent in my area - very twisty, lots of interlacing trails (Gatineau Park, National Capital Region, Canada). And whatever the source for the trails is it shows things like little side trails that google maps and even Strava doesn't have in their dataset.This is quite material for winter riding when you don't want to spend too much time backtracking your fat bike on foot :)
But that may be the issue: these maps are great for this specific area, but the dataset and maps may not be that good elsewhere. I don't really travel to MTB destinations to know any better - even in a normal year, much less in the current conditions.
You've been in the Netherlands too long if you think that's the size of a cheeseburger.
Haha...true. Not Amreicana!
In Dutch standards, it’s a cheeseburger.
in france its called a royale with cheese
@@aapocketz What do they call a Whopper?
Are we talking about Pulp Fiction movie ?
3 Questions: My Plan voor 2024: bikepacking 1500km through Spain and Portugal. 80-120km/day. Strong sunlight. I don't bring a laptop. I make all routes on iPhone in Komoot. 1/Can I transfer routes from iPhone to Karoo while on the road without wifi connection? 2/ Can I change my route during a trip without wifi connection? 3/ Is K2 usable in hard sunlight?
I love it
Any bet there is going to be a Karoo3?? And do you use a Karoo2 as your gps device??
Wait, double cheese burger and side-loaded netflix? This bike computer sounds too good to believe. ;)
Mmm...bacon cheseburgers.
IMO the K2, like the K1 is nice, but unless I’m missing something substantive, absent the touchscreen, I haven’t seen enough transitional engineering to move me off my Wahoo Elemnt... 🤷🏽♂️
I do have the Karoo 1. It's somewhat of a mixed feeling. The Zwift companion app while on the Kickr is nice, and I like the Stava integration (when it works- segments are really limited). But battery life is just a pain in the ass and sometimes the sensor integration is buggy. Still thinking about switching to the Roam or the 1030 plus. Regarding the Karoo 2- that shipping/pre order thing is really a draw back...
Would be cool if you could squeeze up to 15h run time using just the navigation, before the need to recharge
Any hints on when the Karoo 3 could be released?
Which is a better device ? Wahoo elemnt roam or Karoo 2
Very helpful just got my Karoo 2. A replacement for the original model as the usb charger port failed :( Still cant get a spare port and ribbon cable due to COVID-19!
Can you do outdoor workouts at all or do you know if this is coming? Everything else has me sold.
You can do outdoor workouts - no problems there. Just only via TrainingPeaks.
@@Dcrainmaker How does it compare to Garmin 1030. ?
Great video!
How do you deal with adhoc route changes or spontaneous waypoint additions? I only know the "Place Pin" feature where you can move around on the map, place the pin and navigate there while you are actually in navigation mode already. But this is quite cumbersome if you don't know where you are...
Thanks for the review. Would you recommend it over Garmin 830 or the Elemnt Roam? I want to get a new computer but waiting until March for the Karoo 2 seems unlikely, so I might go for some of the other two.
The processor lag in the moving map is such a killer for a seemingly solid and well rounded device. It’s unbearable.
Does it actually have an integration with the Varia radar? Something like the Garmin devices have on the side of the screen?
Yup! Check out the linked ride-along video and I show it in real-time out on the roads.
So the results, whats better: Garmin 830 vs Wahoo Roam vs Karoo2 ?
I would say, Garmin it's really good, I'm new to Karoo.. I have to learn to use it, but.. I miss my Garmin..
@@rsr9116 i bought Garmin 830 AMD im really happy with this:)
Hi a few questions related to ultra cycling.
1) does it work in continuing rain, have had garmins than freaked out when they got wet and was practically useless?
2) can you charge the device while riding, it is pretty important as my rides easily outlasts the battery time?
3) does the navigations work without the phone connection?
I'm curious about the rain resistance as well, the fact that touchscreens have trouble working when wet is the reason I tend to gravitate towards a Wahoo, because buttons will work for 99,9% of the time.
Can you zoom in and zoom out the upcoming elevation graph? Thanks
The dasboard/companion app needs more data loaded from the karoo2. Currently, it is lacking a lot compared to wahoo.
Can I tell the device what kind of roads I want to use for rerouting? I think garmin does not allow that and sent me on some gravel roads with my road bike.
It don’t have a cover for usb -c Port for mud when i ride mountainbike track
I'm tempted, but I barely use half the features of my 530 as it is.
Climb pro and jump meter make the 530 too much fun, the karoo isn’t in the same league IMO
now the question is this or the Wahoo roam (I'm in need of a new computer)
Wow that oncoming car at 9:38 was a bit close...you have such things as minimum distances in The Netherlands? Oh and I cancelled my pre-order of this. Went for a Garmin 1030 instead coz I couldn't wait that long coz they had pre-order delays.
It's a standard single lane farm road. People here are pretty good about making it all work.
@@Dcrainmaker That's great. We've got a long way to go here Down Under in Oz. Ppl in cars still don't get it.
I ordered the Karoo 2 about a month ago with the gift card thing they offered for $579CDN just visited their site and it shows the cost at $840CDN. Did they increase the price by $300CDN or am I seeing this wrong? That's a lot for this unit, I was ok paying $579 but no thanks for $840. They best ship my for the price I ordered.
Did you try mountainbiking with it too in the forest?
how is it navigating on trails in XC
can i use this without a smartphone? what if i just wanna upload a route from my mac mini?
Now I have a Garmin Edge 820 with Open Streetmap AND map Fietsenknooppunt. Easy for easy rides. Is that on the Karoo 2 also possible ?? I orded one in december..
To be clear this does not come with any sensors. I went to the website and could not find any that might come with in any bundle. Could not find a customer service number to call.
What am I missing on specific computer vs using cyclemeter on my iPhone? In almost every case you’ll bring the phone with you, so why not just make use of the speed/screen/etc of the single device? Honest question. Why go with the second device as well?
apparently bumps and riding destroys optical stabilisation on more recent phones. But more generally, it's the battery life - with my Garmin, I've logged 8 hours+ rides wtih GPS AND screen on all the time. Now try that with the smallest iPhone, say iPhone 12 mini.
I often wonder this myself. IPhone doesn't have Ant+ though. Samsung does . The apps though are not as good as the default software you get on the dedicated cycling computers
@@lechprotean destroying the optics doesn't sound great at all, I'll consider that. As for battery, I've mounted a small usb battery pack directly under my stem and use a short charging cable to my phone on a QuadLock - it works very well!
@@tomar5e115 That's where I'm not sure I agree, even in Ray's videos, the new Karoo 2 doesn't seem to be super speedy at changing screens - I feel like that sort of lag would be annoying. The phones are so fast! I'm using cyclemeter which I find works very well. I do sometimes use ridewithgps for turn by turn directions too - it calls them out audibly. I want to be convinced to get a Karoo/other device, just can't seem to make the switch, especially when I'm going to have to carry my phone in my pocket regardless.
anyone know if/when a Karoo 3 might drop?
9:38 close one
Hi Ray, familiar surrondings :) Question: I've a Wahoo Elmnt and was wondering if the K2 would be an upgrade for me. I find the Elmnt a bit lagging during routing on rides. Also rerouting on the fly is a pain. This summer I'm going to the Alps on my own and would like to know if switching to the K2 is a good idea. Greetings from The Netherlands
Nice video..can we configure miles in km and feet in meter?
I’m really interested in this devices but I still have some issue
Hi dc. Do you recommend buying this one over the 830 from garmin?
Im new to buying one of these devices.....I am super interested in buying one of these but maybe it is a stupid question, but, would I need to buy a power meter for my crank also after buying this? Does it give you power output etc? TIA!
@dcrainmaker could you please recommend a good Garmin mount for Karoo 2 that also fits a gopro mount beneath?
Its a great device for someone who doesn’t do alot of training. As soon as you want to use it for wokrouts you will notice alot of missing features
Which features?
@@Dcrainmaker maybe features is the wrong word, but I miss the customizability of the workout screen. I always ride with a powermeter but I’d rather know my heartrate than my cadence.
When you finish an interval while you are on a different screen than the workout screen, you will get a notification about your last interval, but you don’t get a notification about which target you need to hit on the interval that just started. So you will have to swipe back to your workout screen to see the target.
They are all small things, I know. But they are also things that just work on Garmin or Wahoo.
I feel like there is a lot of potential but also still a lot of work. I will probably keep my Karoo 2 because of the great map and routing system, I just hope the possibilities with workouts will expand soon.
A bunch of solutions looking for problems. The Element Bolt hits all of the marks with intuitive simplicity.
Why are these high end cycling computers all touch screen? I love my elemnt bolt for not having touch screen but actual buttons. When you are sweating or doing a big effort its always better to have actual buttons. I don't get why people pick a smartphone like design over a sober functional lay out which just does what it's for
Living in Denmark ordering K2 in US gives me heavy import tax and 25% vat. Can you recommend any Dutch dealer that will ship to Denmark? Great feed, thanks.
I heard the new updates don't support di2 ?
How does Live Tracking work on the Karoo 2?
he man, cool review. Do you need to put in a simcard or can you just use it without one?thanks in advance
found it! thanks haha
@Dc Rainmaker if you had to choose between the Karoo 2 and a wahoo roam, which would you choose
Any update after whatever updates have been done?
Can you enter an address or destination directly in the Karoo 2?
Could you point out or compare maps information/ details like contour lines for Mtb routing, I don’t think Karoo has contour map lines, Do any other bike computers have? Are Garmin or wahoo maps better data set? Mtb vs Road Bike Computers ?
Any updates on the K2 - Zwift companion app front? The side loaded app hasn’t worked for a month or so now, even after updating it. Thanks!
My two questions are, can i use it like car navman, i.e. pit in a destination and it takes me there with off route corrections?
Two can you get a wahoo to hamerhead adapter?
Wow 👏
Hey Ray. Does the Karoo 2 have a chainring shift alert for Di2 synchronised shifting like Garmin Edge?
So did I get it right that you can have multiple overlapping live segments running at the same time and you just swipe through them?
Yup!
How is the gps accuracy under Trees and in woods VS a 1030 of a.wahoo roam. Have a wahoo and always been too late at turns , say around 20 mtr
Is it worth it compared to a small and/or rugged Android phone in a proper mount (e.g. Palm Phone), running Strava and whatever goodness you can get from the Play Store? I think not.... but would have liked your take on it.
I did run phones until now ... and I ordered a Karoo. I had to run at least 2 apps .. one for navigating, one for the sensors and if it rains you have no option than leave them in the bag... Cause you either have a water proof mount (which is either ugly or only available for expensive phones) or a water proof phone ... Which is also expensive
Hi, did you use the K2 in darkness? The K1 was a blinding nightmare on my winter commuts. Are there any touch input lags and can i upload any openstreefmap map tiles?
Why is this better than my IPhone?
I just moved to Wahoo Elemnt Bolt from Garmin 530 , the screen is small so looking at the Roam or maybe this now as the screen looks good
The wahoo roam is superb easy to use good mapping/turn by turn best battery life
Would you pick it over the wahoo roam?
I have the wahoo roam I think it’s excellent v easy to use, good navigation. But Karoo 2 does look good
80% of the time it works every time. Classic. 10:09
Garmin Edge 850? at 01:50 ;-)
Yup, I'm 2+ generations ahead!
Does it has transreflective screen??
Are profiles also map to a strava user? I found out that no gps does this atm (or maybe I'm wrong) but I like to share my gps unit to my girlfriend or roommate sometimes when they want to have an indoor training session, unfortunately it always auto syncs to my strava and I have to export/delete it/share it with them/they upload it on their strava everytime manually. I wish you could just switch a profile, that new profile would be mapped to new sensors (for their bike) but also a different strava profile (for their activities). Let me know if my question is unclear ^^
7:44 what a psychedelic pavement!