Ground Zero Victory Mosque?
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"Ground Zero Victory Mosque?" is a clip from The Atheist Experience #672 ("Viewer Calls") with Matt Dillahunty and Jeff Dee: blip.tv/file/4062884
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"Then go away." I think I'll just say that at the end of every argument I ever have.
Excellent clip, one of the finest on the subject! Just pure gold.
"I think all religious buildings are in bad taste for pretty much the same reasons but they're not illegal and its really not an issue" spot on
Once again, Matt expresses why he's my absolute favorite
There is one kind of material sharp enough to cut any red tape. It is called money.
Excellent job guys!
"then go away."
best line ever.
Three cheers for Matt and the crew
I fucking love Matt. That elbow from the sky when he cut the guy off was beautiful.
"Is that a victory Church?"
"Not at all."
"Then go away." Click.
"Then go away."
Amazing.
"then go away" *ends call*
owned
you guys truly are the voice of reason!!
Thanks for sharing!
That was the best hang up I've ever seen. Awesome.
"Then go away."
"Then go away" *click* fucking magic!
"Then go away!"
That was great.
Nice video. Please upload more atheist experience-s, love this show!
Reactions to the news is also fine imo. Always good to share rational thinking with the ppl!!!
"If a church is built within five blocks of an abortion clinic that was bombed by a christian, is that then a Victory Church?" OWNED point blank. Bravo Matt you are my hero
"By late 2008, St. Nicholas and the Port Authority had reached a tentative agreement for the church to give up its 1,200-square-foot site at 155 Cedar Street in exchange for 130 Liberty Street, a bigger site half a block away.
Six months later, the Port Authority said negotiations ended because St. Nicholas demanded too much money and approval power over a vehicle security center beneath the sites. Port Authority spokesman Stephen Sigmund said the church can return to its original location."
LOL! "Then go away." *click* I love you, Matt!
The CREW! WE LOVE YOU!
"Then go away."
Haha beautiful
Love how he just machettes that dudes reasoning of it being a victory mosque.
"Then Go Away"....I cracked up so hard
Just want to say thank you for the video. Regards and have a skilful life. Pinge
Matt being brilliant, as usual.
And you are unreasonable if you think he is soft. He is reasonable, not soft.
@ Jeff Dee:
Yes, yes, yes, YES!!!
*Standing up with hands in the air*
Exactly!!!
@ciaochowbella "Actually, we should have rebuilt the WTC in order to thumb our noses at them."
We can still do so, in the exact location, and we could even use some of the rubble, and even then we could still allow the building of this mosque, since they're two blocks away from each other... We could even build about 3 or four of the tower complexes and still have enough room for both.
@Dakayrus
He is not saying that he knows that the money is coming from terrorists. He is saying that accepting money made from terrorism is wrong, and that it is important to know where the money for the victory mosque is coming from. HUGE DIFFERENCE!
The follow post is concerning the church at Ground Zero
The text is from a Huffington Post story by Nicole Neroulias on 8-23-2010
"...Denise saying that I'm going to be tortured forever is in bad taste but you won't hear me saying Denise's church can't have a building there..."
QFT. That's all I have to say on the issue.
Other than love the show guys. Thanks for being on UA-cam so the world can watch.
Well put Jeff!
have you guys been away for a while - i haven't seen your videos for a while.
@lyntonio Notice the question mark at the end of my sentence: "So your sample space is one?" I can only ascertain what you have mentioned as the basis of your conclusion. However, even so, we're still talking about 1.5 million people who represent a considerable amount of diversity in their culture, attitudes, and relationship with their religion.
"If a Christian church is built five blocks away from an abortion clinic that was bombed by a Christian is that a victory church?"
"Not at all"
"Then go away."
EPIC WIN
There is only one truth out there. When the end comes you'll regret being wrong. Say what you want you'll still be wrong. You were warned time and again.
@Kwinnky: Appeal to sense of "people are probably going to vandalize your building" is. I was trying to avoid appearing to advocate vandalism without wasting many of the characters available to me.
@robertwc82
The building is supposed to be tall, some say it will overlook the area of the collapsed towers. It is also just around the corner. Since the mosque part is at the top that means they can get a good view and really get off by seing what their prayers can result in.
With regards to the "red tape" situation... it is a greek orthodox church that is looking to be rebuilt with public funds, and they already turned down an offer two years ago. They have the permits to rebuild on their old plot. The hold up is over a publicly funded larger church. A basic web search will provide relevant news links.
Hey, I noticed there are multiple versions of the intro song that is played for the AE show clips on youtube. Is one, or all of them available for download somewhere? I really like the track :) They were made by some guy specifically for the show, right?
"Then go away" CLICK.
Now that was a HITCHSLAP!!!
I had no idea the mosque in question was 1) 5 blocks away and 2) further than another pre-existing mosque. You know, that's one thing I really love about this show, I find this program illuminates a lot of various subjects that I held beliefs on and now find myself convinced to change them. Originally I had a lot of misconceptions about the mosque.
Convincing evidence and arguments were presented; beliefs were changed. There, that wasn't so painful now was it? : )
i wanna go to austin just to see this show and eat dinner after
"then go away" LOL!
That was a great bait at the end and the guy just walked right into it ...
"Then get lost" *click*
Made me smile.
You are the true voice of reason. You make me proud, you stole my words. Run for President Matt, Please (I am serious this is not sarcasm)!!!
Well, Thunderf00t made a good point about reciprocity. But then there is a point, one brilliantly put by one comment I read: "Right. Let's defeat the fundamentalists by becoming just like them."
I love Matt so much!!!
@1mandomaker assuming it has a reading room, or your sitting down just having a coffee reading would you think anyone would object?
I'm so glad that Matt has taken the sensible attitude to this, it bucks my hopes to here him condemn Pat Condell.
What Mosque does Jeff refer to at 1:28?
The church referred to is St Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church and it was completely buried by the collapse of WTC 2 in the attack. The "red tape" mentioned - was more to do with the redevelopment of the whole site and paying money for relocation etc.
Good on you for calling Pat Condell, this issue has clearly demonstrated that not all athiests are humanists.
@zodiakranch
No the old building goes down and a new one (taller) is supposed to be erected. The mosque is of course the central part of it. It will be its main attraction.
5:36 oh yeah!
Imagine what it would have been like if they wanted to build a huge church on (or near) ground zero.
@spamvigilante I did address your comment by pointing out the distance doesn't matter. Would it matter if it was one block or 5 blocks away? No, it wouldn't. The outrage would be identical for the exact same reasons they are outraged at 2 blocks away.
"Bad taste" is nothing to base your laws on.
Hmmm, definately a tricky one this.
@MrWizardWithin for some reason i cant post right now
There are some factual errors here.
The building of the mosque at ground zero is to mark a victory, not 'to show they beat us'.
The site is two blocks away, not five.
@DayneAW Not that I am aware of, that's totally my point. If there is no law prohibiting buildings funded by terrorists, then the argument "It's being funded by terrorists!" is irrelevant. If you (I mean generally speaking, not you particularly) don't like it, then speak to your representative to promote a law to prevent that happening.
USA PATRIOT Act, Title III prevents terrorists to get fundings from the USA, but not the other way round.
"then go away" CLICK......that was classic matt
I love when Matt just hangs up on jackasses.
I fucking love when Jeff Dee gets on the show. He is fucking awesome.
@Phoboskomboa, I should spell it out in a blog essay, because there are a great many interesting synergies. For one, it would lure deeply religious people into cyberspace by giving them much better access to that vast body of literature that is related to their scriptures. That might leave them more likely to discover the shady roots of all scriptures, and how they evolved, and go a long way towards educating people out a mindless devotion and into a more philosophical exploration.
@GalneGunnarTV Listen to whole thing carefully. They said that is why there is laws there that prevent that kind of money funneling. The "so what" response was only in response to over seas funding.
@shirehorse9 A mosque is a place where only Muslim worship is conducted. A prayer space is a place where Muslim, Christian, Jewish, and whatever prayer can be conducted. This place has a "500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare services, art exhibitions, bookstore, culinary school, and a food court serving halal dishes." Unlike mosques, churches, and synagogues, this place is actually useful.
@F33bs, I wonder if reading Dr. Humphrey's essay “What shall we tell the children?” changes your mind. It's easy to find. But i'm not anxious to badger anyone.
@Yakslipper Familiar? Do you mean similar to Harris? Actually, I just realized that I was confusing a recent article by Hitchens with the article you are talking about. I have NOT read it yet. However, I'll give it a read at some point. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
5:30
"Is that a victory church?"
"Not at all"
"Then go away *click*"
Fuck yes! That's a great damn point hahaha. I don't trust Islam for the Imam behind Park51 but the more this goes on the more I hope we can all see the protest has been founded on xenophobic religious roots and no others.
THAT WAS SOOOO BADASSS!!!! :D
"Life of Brian" then, go watch that, you'll love it.
Wait what? There is already a mosque that is closer?
@ananiasacts : The fact is that municipalities make decisions ALL THE TIME about what can be built where--often based on the personal aesthetics of the city planners, or hopefully, the interests and desires of the community in general. Acting on a consensus that the majority of the citizens of a town or city think a certain type of building is "inappropriate" in a certain place is done EVERYDAY throughout the country.
The only problem that I have with the Mosque is that the property is tax free. I'd have as much problem with them putting a Church there (or anywhere for that matter.)
Epic win. Glad these guys still have their sanity.
@spamvigilante A) please tell me what is the proper definition of a block (by that I mean, how many feet) B) what is the proper method of determining the starting point to measure the starting point and ending point between "ground zero" and "the mosque" C) if I find your definition/formula's less helpful, and have a ultimately come to a different number of blocks between A and B.....does that change the argument whatsoever?:
C) is the important one.
@chrisose You're right about that, and most people here in the US don't have a clue about that stuff.
If it is a victory mosque, or a mosque teaching sharia law, I think it is indeed disgusting, and it offends me personally. But, we don't change our laws for certain groups just because someone is offended. No one has a "right" not to be offended.
This is why the constitution would have been perfect 'if': "Freedom of 'Personal' Religion" was added!
@Azurewrath232 I have NO idea what you're talking about.
sick video...
completely irrelevant, but... what's the song at the beginning? lol
@slowtoad 'Expect him to profit from the sales of a lot more books in the future thanks to that.'
Full Agreement.
Is it just me or if a terrorist organization pours money into a community center, doesn't it mean they have less money to buy weapons and less resources to cause us grief?
Also, Isn't putting a mosque inside a community center the equivalent of putting a church inside a Walmart? Sounds like they would have to put up with harsh realities in either case.
I agree with you there. The places of worship are indeed icons of ignorance, and thus undesirable. But I would never try to legislate them out of existence.
I think that was a bit of a mean way to end the show. I know he was wrong, but he seemed like a nice enough guy.
"then go away" lol
@Kwinnky: Am I that badly informed? I don't remember any attacks on such buildings being preceded by offers to help them move to safe(r?) locations.
I liked your take much better than Pat Condell's, thank you :)
@Yakslipper Honestly, if that proves your point I must have misunderstood your original point.
I'm digging the FSM. I personally think that it's neccissary to build a mosque near Ground zero. Frankly, I think a mosque should be build ON ground zero. People need to get over it. Businesses have died left and right near ground zero and furthermore, its not just a mosque, its a community center. It is there to promote tolerance. NOTHING would drive the message home better then that.
5:26 go away lmao
@CreativeFreedoms
Thats one of things they plan to include in the center, It will also have a pool
Glad to see these folks from TAA still on the side of rationalism and freedom above all else.
These people *might* be being insensitive, but that's what living in a free society is all about. People are free to be insensitive, the alternative is to live somewhere like Iran.
Matt seems absolutely fried from another day of stupid callers on TAE. I'll bet he had an extra beer at the Pub afterwards.
@Joeybugman .That I agree on..But it will take time for healing to occur..