Load Development on a 200 Year Old Shotgun | Hunting with Antique muzzleloaders
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VIDEO CHAPTERS
0:36 - Scott and Son SxS Shotgun Overview
2:47 - Disclaimer
3:12 - Our Turkey Hunting Test Target
3:36 - The Wads and Cards I’m Using - MyFlintlock.com
4:23 - Using antique muzzleloaders
5:18 - First shots - 55gr Square
8:01 - 80gr Square
8:40 - 65gr Square
9:56 - 60gr Square
10:44 - First 4 Targetst compared
11:49 - Thought process for 65gr
12:35 - Trying a lubed cushion wad
18:25 - Trying 1/2 a lubed cushion wad
20:07 - 1/2 lubed wad test comparisons
21:46 - Double Barrel tests
23:33 - Double Barrel Test Results
23:53 - Conclusions
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Try ditching the thick over powder card and cushion wad. Powder, 3 or 4 thin over shot cards, shot, 1 over shot card. Stay with more shot than powder. Cushion wads blow a donut in the middle of your pattern while the over shot cards are light enough to fall away quickly without disturbing the shot pattern. Works on all three of my smoothbores.
I agree. I reload modern hulls with BP the same way.
This is right along with what I've experienced as well.
Cap and Ball channel spoke to some flintlock shotgun competition guys and they use corn meal or something similar over the powder to get the best patterns. Same concept. He did a video on it, definitely worth looking at if you're playing with smoke pole scatter gats
@@joearledge1 I've heard of that. It works well with larger shot like 00 Buck. I've never tried corn meal but some say it works.👍
@@rugerridgefiles pretty sure cap and ball was doing a Turkey load when he talked about it and showed the shooting. Although it may have been a different bird load (quail, dove, duck, ect...), it definitely involved counting tiny birdshot in a circle. Definitely worth a watch
That shotgun is truly a treasure. That Damascus steel is beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
Absolutely!! Stunning!!
Great video!
Hopefully you'll try the "Skychief Load" and video your results. You can read all about it on The Muzzle loading Forum in the smoothbore and hunting subforums.
You'll see a "sticky" in the smoothbore section explaining how to construct the load.
Cliff notes explanation is powder, hard or nitro card, shotload, overshot card, then a saturated full cushion wad ON TOP of the overshot card.
I discovered this loading sequence and many use it for turkeys now with success. The squirrels hate this loading too !!!
Best of luck and please keep putting out the videos for our community!
Thank you! I will be sure to try it!
Skychief, I did try this load and IT DID tighten up my pattern👍🏽 I was skeptical at first until I tried it.
Very beautiful shotgun!
Try using crushed corn instead of the cushion wad. This is what precision shooters use in Europe. The cushion wad tends to push the pellets aside specially on a fuller powder load creating that hollow center pattern
If you will take the thick dry cussion wad and pull it apart into about 6 to 8 thin sections, then put it all back together and load it, then your shot and shot card. The thick cussion wad normally catches up to the shot and spreads it so you miss what you are shooting at. Try it. I am a 77 year old Muzzle Loader hunter who was raised on muzzle loading guns by father and two grandfathers starting at age 12. My experience is something you should use young man. Nice video by the way.
Thanks for the tip!
Love muzzleloading shotguns, right now I am taking my doglock carbine out for the couple times I've turkey hunted, hoping to get back out Sunday morning.
Thank you for sharing both that beautiful shotgun and the process you use. I have several black powder shot guns both muzzle loading and brass shell.
Your videos often give me other things to consider about my processes.
Your presentations are very enjoyable.
Please keep them rolling
I have a 12ga S&S and all I have used is 70g of #3 BP with either #4 or #6 shot 1 1/8 oz. And I have no problem with my patterns.
I have a extremely similar shotgun. mine's a Richards or Richardson. But it was the gun that finally got my wife to like muzzleloaders. She didn't even like it when I got it. but I finally convinced her to shoot it. and now it's the gun that is her favorite muzzleloader
Very fascinating how small changes in the load can make a drastic difference in the shot spread. Excellent video as always!
Try a cork over shot card. It will disintegrate at the shot and not disrupt your pattern
Awesome double barrel!!
Glad you did this video.
Aot of good ideas and different methods from Bothers of Muzzleloading.
Hope to see another video with you trying some of veiwers methods .
Take care stay safe.
I haven't tried it, but someone told me using cornmeal between powder and shot improved his pattern 50%. Also have heard that a thick wad on top of the shot tightens things up a lot.
Awesome video. My grandpa had a similar rig he loved to dove hunt with. You always knew when he was out there with all the smoke. Hahaha. As I remember it, he always did pretty good. That gun was torn up in a tornado years ago. Damn I miss him.
Thanks again for the video.
Super video!!! For the last year and a half I thought maybe you did not know about shotguns. I have 4 shotguns, two are original from the 1830-40’s, and two are Pedersolis in 20 and 12 gauge. All of my guns shoot the best patterns using only two over powder wads and no fillers. The cylinder bored guns shoot all shoot like they have modified chokes even at 30 yards!!! Only problem is during a dove shoot you have to swab the bores after every six shots because the fouling gets kind of nasty. Wish everyone would try a M/L shotgun, as there is absolutely nothing more fun than hunting with one of these great guns!!! Thanks again for a very fun and interesting video, as always…………..
I have an original drisket 14 gauge and I've been looking for years now for more load development information. Thanks to everything black powder for shouting this channel out.
Double barrel hunting shotguns usually have a tighter choke on the left barrel and that one is typically used for longer range since it tends to give tighter patterns with birdshot and sometimes with buckshot too.
Thank you! I'll factor that into the next video!
Try a shot cup over the powder wad and then a over shot wad. I know it is a modern thingy but it does help a lot.
Since the law changed and black powder firearms are obtainable without a license, I was thinking about getting one. Buying a Hawken kit seemed like a fun project and that's how I found your videos. I'm glad that the kits were sold out because I fell in love with Pedersoli shotguns. I got one in thr mail, on it's way to me so the timing of this video is perfect. I can't wait to get it.
Heres how the oldtimers did it.
Start with the square load. A shot collumn as tall as the bore diameter and an equal volume of powder.
Shoot a pattern at the distance you think your turkey will present itself.
Do you have enough shot in the kill zone? If not add a little more shot and shoot again until you like your pattern.
Then shoot a steel soup can. Does the shot penetrate the can or does it bounce off? If it doesn't penetrate the can, add a little more powder and shoot again.
If it will penetrate a steel soup can it will kill small game.
Do this until you get a load that fills the pattern and has killing velocity.
Thanks for the video.
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Try sheep wool for over powder wad ive used it for hunting ,even made a a cushion wad maker fro. A 1x6 , made a cutter from a pipe to cut cardboard and cereal boxes for turkey i go with wool for over the powder and a load of shot and paper shot cup i make and wool on top sometimes i use a patch of cloth that is lubed as a shot cup both works fine in my shotgun,now with the cushion wads i make i use new paper wetted and mixed to a paste and fill the holes in the 1x6 and then cut them with a razor blade when dry
I was watching a video the other day and they were skeet shooting with a gun similar to yours and they were using corn meal over the powder and seemed to get some nice groupings....May want to look it up. Look up Montana black powder shooting
Hey Ethan,. Great video. It's good you're doing this. The old shotgun gurus are getting to be few and far between. When I encounterd the "donut choke" ( as the guys in my bp club call it), I tried changing up load combinations with little change, like you. I finally reasoned (or wondered) that maybe some of the shot was embedding in my lubed wad (1/2 wad) . To change this, i put an overshot card on top of my wad before loading shot and topping with overshot card. My shot patterns improved quite well and I was crushing clay targets in sporting clays, keeping at 65 gr and 1 oz of shot for a load in a 12 ga.
I have been using muzzleloading shotguns since the late 1960s, I gave up using felt wads a long time ago, just one over powder wad and over shot wad is what I use. Lovely old gun by the way, I was working for Westley Richards when I first got interested in muzzleloading.
Thanks for the tip! Glad you enjoy your muzzleloaders too!
I have one very similar but much less ornate. My research showed JC Scott made a couple different grades. Without seeing any other examples I thought mine was the finer grade as it is beautifully done, but now I’m not so sure. It does shoot great patterns and is the only fouling piece I use anymore.
Muzzleloading shotguns are the most versatile firearm available. You can hunt any type of game with one of these. I own a pedersoli 10gauge with the screw in chokes. The extra full chokes work great for turkey. The improved cylinder works well for round ball. The sky is the limit for anything in between. I have a diablo slug mold that i have not used yet. Africa's big five?
Now I use my Charleville, at 69 cal. I use 75 gr of 2F powder, with 1 .5 oz. shot usually #4. I also split the lubed wad, but use both pieces, capping the shot with the other half, as opposed to the shot card. So much can change things. Good luck and thanks for sharing!
Can't help you on this one a ton here because there so many different ideas going in individuals. Being 14 gauge does not lend itself to some my own methodology. I may have missed it but is there any choke in each barrel? This may sound a bit odd but here it goes anyway. The bore diameter of a 14 gauge is .693. In the past I have used paper coin rolls as a quick shot holder for faster reloads. (As in premeasured shot rather than pouring lead for each shot.) Now the diameter of a dime is .705. Slightly over bore. However a over powder card inside the paper roll fold bottom of the roll to the card and a dab of glue. When ready run the paper hull( for a lack of a better word) down the bore, then your shot, followed by a shot card. Though not ideal it may help contain the shot a little longer. Like a hull. Not sure it will work, but your not losing any thing by trying. That me thinking outside the box.
Mountain man
My grandfather had a old double barrel cap lock and I have it now in my collection. My grandfather was born in 1892 and he said the double barrel was his fathers shot gun. It's in great shape and has those dings in the foregrip and stock. The point of the matter is my grandfather loaded his powder and then the powder wad and he made a round dowel rod that was at the end of the dowel rod it had a hole drilled going into the end of the dowel rod and the dowel rod was just small than the barrel and was that size for one and a quarter inch straight and the rest of the rod was just a little bigger. Well he would cut grocery store paper bags to the right size and he let the paper stick over the end of the dowel rod with the hole in the end and he would roll the paper bag he cut for two raps and then tuck the other end in the hole in the end of the dowel rod and the other end was about one and a half longer than the shot load .he slipped the paper tube off the rod and measure his bird shot pellets and then lightly twist or fold the top over. It reminded me of a cardboard daisy bb tube. He then slipped it in the top of the barrel and added the shot cover wad and pressed it down with his ram rod. The brown paper from the grocery store bags helped hold a nice tight pattern and he had a dowel rod for full choke and one for modified bore. I set there watching him do that making those paper shot tubes and filling them and I probably asked enough questions about what and why he did that and he thought me a lot and I was only 10 year's old in 1974 . But all the paper shot tubes he filled went in a wooden box that held 15 shot tubes and the block of wood was maple with holes drilled in it and the paper shot tubes stuck up half inch higher than the block of wood with the holes for the shot tubes and he had made a lid for that box with just a little bit larger holes and the lid had hinges and a latch on the front of the shot holder and a leather strap that went over his shoulder and the shot box at waist length. I used the old double barrel and I remember everything my grandfather thought me and he said if you want a longer shot distance just give it another rap of paper or two raps more. He hunted turkey with that old black powder double barrel shotgun and I have to say it held a pretty tight group because the turkeys head was pretty bad shape.P.S the paper is going to hold your shot together further and the powder wad want be blowing a hole through the center of your shot and looking like a donut 🍩 pattern on your target or the turkey 🦃 the paper will hold your shot together like a shot gun wading more like modern day shells .
I can't wait to get my percussion sxs into the field. Gotta re solder the barrel ribs first.
I have done quite a bit of patterning with my vintage 12 gauge muzzle loader with cylinder barrels. Here is how I load....I use 1FG black powder as this has been proven to produce much better patterns in the larger bore guns such as 12 and 10 gauges. Then I place a wad of tightly packed wasp nest over the powder followed by two cards cut from waxed milk cartons....followed by more shot than power...followed by a single card....then the out of the box thing....a fiber wad saturated with vegetable oil...I use olive...this is the "Sky Chief" recipe which works for most guns and no one including me knows why. Also, Google, VM Starr, an old time SD gunsmith and black powder shotgun shooter and hunter. Every gun is different....enjoy and stay safe!
Good evening from Syracuse NY brother and everyone else
Very cool. New sub here. Recently I inherited a muzzke loading double bbl. Was my 3rd great grandfathers. Some of the markings are "perkins" and london fine twist". I believe it to be 14ga based on micrometer readings at the muzzles. Its in really nice condition but Iam so new to all of this muzzle loading stuff. Hoping to learn more here.
Another excellent video! I love hunting with my Dixie (Pedersoli) 10 gauge and have used it as my primary hunting shotgun for almost 35 years. Mainly on pheasant, but I use it occasionally for ducks and geese as well. One distinct advantage in these "modern" shotguns from Pedersoli is that they are bored "small" - mine is actually an 11 gauge. This allows us to use modern shot cups and wads intended for use inside of a 10 gauge shell. I've found that using just the cup end, cutting off the "cushion" end, really tightens up patterns.
But, well, being a 14 gauge, you don't have that option. You have to stick with traditional wads. I continue to use traditional wads the vast majority of the time as well, feeling as though these modern plastic examples are kind of "cheating". So, with these restraints, how do we tighten patterns? I read of a few tricks in Sam Fadala's original book on muzzle loading (dating from the '70's). One that worked for me was simply eliminating the cushion wad altogether. It appears as though it might be what blows that "donut hole" in the middle of the pattern. You saw improvement with a half wad - now try it with no cushion at all. As another step further down this same path, try eliminating that big thick over powder wad... Sounds crazy, but we still use a wad, obviously. Just use two over shot wads as your over powder wad, with no cushion wad. The idea is to have as little mass and momentum in the wads as possible, so when they exit the muzzle they don't continue on as far in the flight of the shot, instead "fluttering" to ground as soon as possible.
Anyway, a couple of different ideas to try. That's half the fun of this whole thing, isn't it?
Man thank you so much the only video ive found that answered all my load questions outstanding! God bless you
ETHAN my grandfather used a forstner drill bit for cutting the holes out in the maple block of wood and a little bit bigger one for the lid of the shell holder so it would open and close easily
I’m sure we all appreciate the safety tips in the past and some of the present. Thank you for not goin over loading techniques of a muzzleloader at an exhausting repetitive bore!! Your audience are well above the entry level of muzzleloading. For those who aren’t check out prior ones. I’d try cutting that wad more, it’s blowing a hole in your pattern from carrying to far.
Another thing that you might try is using a bit more shot to powder. A few gentlemen from British Military Forums recommended to me that I go with a half ounce of shot per dram. 55 grains is two drams so you would use one ounce of shot. It’s a little more shot than powder by volume and goes against many of the videos I’ve seen which say equal amounts of both by volume, but I’ve had great results with it.
Try the Skycheif load powder over powder card shot then the cushion wad over the shot.
Every gun is different, but diagnosis of pattern flaws is fairly straightforward. I think shot pellets are embedding in your half cushion wad and making it heavy enough to blow through the pattern. Also your overshot card can be deflecting part of the cloud and cause the dense strings with big gaps. I tried Steve Sell's method that works in HIS double and had good results: Nitro card over the powder, half a cushion wad, then an overshot wad, then the shot, then a thin cork wad over the shot. Or you could try what works in my flint trade gun: A triple-square load of 85 grains 3F, same measure of corn meal, same measure of shot, and a soda carton overshot wad. Someone recommended cracked corn (buy it at the feed store) between powder and shot and I bet that works too. You want a load column that deforms the shot the least and wads that interfere the least with the shot cloud.
Wow! What a great video. Talk about listening to feedback. I suggested this a short time ago. You answered me it sounded like fun and you'd try to get to it. Well here it is. Thank you. I hope you get a giant long beard with that fine double scatter gun!
Beautiful shotgun! I would not hunt with those patterns though. You can definitely do better. I improved my patterns with the Skychief load in my 20g fowler. 70g 2f Powder, 1/3 of a Nitro Card, 1 1/8 oz of #5 Shot, thin over powder card, Fiber cushion wad soaked in olive oil. I am planning to try paper shot cups and using cornmeal to see if that will improve it further.
Thanks so much Jack! Always appreciate your feedback
Man I'm jealous. I'd give my left big toe to own and shoot one. Thank you for sharing this wonderful piece of history with us. Double down on the shot
i usually reduce my powder load or increase the shot when I want a tighter group (I'm no expert and you probably already know that lol but just thought I'd say it). I would try 60/65 grains of powder and 75-85 grains of shot (you could even up it to 90 depending on how far you're reaching out). The problem is you keep going up on the shot AND powder - u should keep the powder at 55-65 grains ;-)
Also that bag is awesome dude do u have a video on how it was made or who made it? How is the shot held (is there a horn or is it just a pocket sewn in?)
I am not as fussed about percussion firearms but I do like the shotguns.
It's a very nice piece.
About all I can say is call the turkey in closer. You've almost done every combination that you can think of so choose the one that has the best pattern and call it in closer. By the way I meant to tell you that is one more beautiful shotgun you have there. That will be a great heirloom. I have a double barrel shotgun with almost the same identical markings on them which looks like Damascus steel pattern. I have not been able to pinpoint the age but I do know that it's between late 18 and early early 1900. I was told to only shoot black powder which means that I either load my own shells because it shoots shotgun shells or I can use the adapter that I have to muzzle load it plus I have cut down some shells in order to muzzle load it also. I don't know if you ever saw Dave Canterbury muzzleloading his little modern single shot shotgun but I can shoot it that way also which can be done out in the field as necessary. Again you have a beautiful shotgun.
Great video. My .62/20 gauge gives best pattern with 100gr FFg + op card + 2oz #5 + os card. I can never get cushion wad loads to pattern as tightly. The old fusil barks with that load, but have taken turkeys out to 29 paces. Good luck out there.
Excellent video! I have an old Navy Arms / Outta 12 gauge SxS shotgun. It's nowhere near as nice as that shotgun, however, she's a shooter! I've taken more game with that shotgun than all my other guns combined. More importantly, I've had more fun, and more cherished memories afield with that shotgun , than all my guns combined. Really like your channel!
Love your channel . maybe change brand of powder. I have a north West Indian Trades gun, 62 caliber. I got the exact some results as you. I use bore butter lube. Oh , I went to 7.5 shot, it got better , I used 75 gr powder , sq load. Have fun. Cheers.
Cool shotgun sir , good luck on your turkey hunting.
That's a gorgeous shotgun! Really cool video! I have a reproduction 12 gauge percussion double barrel that I've never fired. I'd be interested in taking it to the range and working up a load like you're doing here. I especially like how you request comments/suggestions for what/how to do it better. I'll be watching the comments as well for tips. Please keep us posted on how you do and good luck on your hunt!
Try making little bore size shot cups made of cut up 3X5 index cards. These tightened up my patterns admirably.
Thank you, I'll give that a shot.
Ethan, you need to do all your tests for both barrels. The barrels are likely different chokes. Each barrel is it's own animal so to speak.
Thank you! I'll start some testing!
Good point! Yes, Ethan, one should be choked cylinder (typically the right) and the other choked improved cylinder
There's a guy that goes by the username "Skychief" who has a strange sounding load that many people swear by. Do a search on skychief load. I have shot m/l shotguns a lot and have found the more shot than powder idea worked the best. Also, I don't use a cushion wad anymore just a hard card under the shot. M/L shotgun always brings over the spectators. Lots of fun for everyone.
Ethan, GREAT video! I just picked up a fowler that I will be trying this with and it was perfect to see you go through the process. Please video any of your other tests as I find this very informative. In any case let us know what you find out and results. Thanks!
Thank you Hazcat, I'll be sure to do so.
Cushion wads can blow a pattern. Read V.M. Starr's "The Muzzleloading Shotgun"...it can be found online, it's a little short thing. It could possibly even be another subject for a video. That is a great condition W.C. Scott!! I'm refurbishing an original English double here in the shop, and oh boy, is it worse for wear, but it's going to be new when it comes out, perhaps after I pull my hair out a little, but it's going to be nice. Slow going, as I'm juggling projects, the Charleville, and two more double breechloaders. Can't wait to pattern it. I take on too much at once, but that's just me I guess. But I work as I listen to this channel.
Thank you so much Keith! I'll jump right on the reading and your tips!
Nice patern on barrels. Try cornmeal instead of fiber wad. Equal to shot by valum
Adding a card over the cusionwad helps ALOT, sometimes shot upsets into the cushion and distorts the wad and gas seal is lost
Thank you!
WOW? Funny! I thought "my Roosters" sounded funny today, but it's Your's I heard from a different direction than I should at the same time.
I just got my great great grandfather's a few days ago. Just out of curiosity how much one of these usually would be
This is the real gun that won the west. Every farmer had one from 1830's to the early 1890's. In the Oregon trail period this gun was carried by everyone. You could buy a used gun in the 1840's and 50's for $6 to $12.
I belive you should try the other barrel, they were designed to zero with each other at a particular distance...
amazing video thank you ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I almost wonder if you would see a difference if you pre-packaged the shot in paper like a piece of hard candy in a wrapper, or in coin rolls. It would make field loading a little easier not having to measure shot, but it may possibly tighten patterns slightly as it would act like a shot cup maybe possibly...
Good Show 👍
Good job🔥💪👍🙏🤝💯
I just bought a double barrel shotgun that looks like yours at a swapmeet missing the side plates and hamers looks like the barrels need resolved just want to make a wall hanger out of it
Powder no wad corn meal shot and then over shot card no card over powder only corn meal. You will see 65 percent shot on target.try it
Nice shotgun . Have you seen 11 bang bang using money rolls I haven't tried it yet but I'm going too 🤠
I know that it's not traditional, but modern plastic wads would keep the shot together longer for a more tighter pattern. Finding a good fit may be a problem, though.
I year good things about them. Thanks for the idea.
What powder are you shooting? Because I noticed it doesn't smoke.
Nice gun
Have you ever tried 70 grains of FFF? It's the equivalent of an ounce
Nice piece, and better than most! ;)
You need to just shoot without the cushion wad at all. Or try cutting it down to 1/4 thicknesses or more. After that… try cutting it into 4 or more layers and try that.
Got a double barrel shotgun from my Great Grandpa. He had horn tip , hollowed to the right volume. He said, equal powder and shot. Use cardboard punch out, for wads.
Shoots great! Its almost like size of a coach gun.
I use A LOT LESS powder than what you use. But each gun is different! With mine. You add even a LITTLE more powder. It will jump up and KICK THE HELL OUT OF YOU! KNOW That for a FACT!
I found reloading shotgun shell that slower was better for accuracy on geese. Factory 1600 missed but 1350 was right on point
I have a Scott & Son shotgun. It looks nearly identical to the one on your video. I've been trying to research its history, and I'm told it's no relation to WC Scott. Can you give me any information?
i think your dealing with pattern spread in the right way by experimenting. muzzleloading shotguns tend to have their own personalities. v.m. starr would be a good source of information. .
I’d like a better pattern. I use less powder and more shot. In my 10 gauge I use 100 grains of powder with 1 5/8 oz play load if #6’s. Sixteen grains less of FG than a square load.
I’ve been on a 2 year quest to find a REASONABLY priced side by side muzzle loader. My father-in-law has an 8 gauge with Damascus barrels but he won’t let go of it! So it’s literally a “from my cold dead hands” gun for him unfortunately ahahah.
They can be tough to find, I see repros going for more than I got this for. Keep an eye out.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading lol yeah it’s crazy! Why would I pay $1,200 for a new one when I could find an original, probably custom made one for $200-$600?! Lol
I keep finding fixer uppers for $200 at gun shows and the local muzzle loader shop, but they seem like daunting projects when I work full time and have kids in sports! Lol
cheeky i know but have you had a watch of cap and ball's shotgun videos on his youtube channel, he has some realy good shotgun content and load development help.
Trying to find the right shot powder load can be nerve racking.
Keep doing what you are doing. All guns are different. You will get a better. Cushion wad make holes in your pattern lose them .get good at calling.get close.
i think the lubed wad is blowing through the shot load creating a donut effect
Try putting some ripped up hornet nest material over the powder and a card wad over shot.I also heard less powder and more shot gives a better pattern.
Little heavier shot. Number 4
Evthen not a big muzzloader shotgun guy. I say it should do job if you do your part in call in a bird close. Modern muzzloader shotgun use moder choke tubes if I'm right ? Might some look into down the road.
Definitely. I'd love to find a flintlock fowler with a turkey choke in it before the next season.
I hope you see this message what is the nipple thread size on that double barrel I have one made by the same company I can't seem to find nipples tried several
Your second target shot you have a classic hole punched in your pattern because the cushion-wad flew out faster than your shot and knocked the center out of the pattern. You basically shot a doughnut. I’ve seen other people cut their cushion was into several thin layers and load them all one at a time. This makes them come apart and catch the air and slow down much faster so it don’t fly faster than your lead shot and push a hole in the middle of your pattern. Hope this helps you kill Turkeys. 🦃
Try wasp nest it will get rid of the hole
If they worked 200 years ago to hunt turkey it will work now. The turkey hasn't changed.
The donut patron is because too high of a powder measure with not enough lead
You never said how much lead you're shooting.
I think it's a nice looking gun for being more than 2 hundred years old...
Put in the powder of felt wad With an over the shot card wandered looped on the bottom of it. Put that on your Powder periadd in another felt.
P*** babies.. felt wide over the babies.
. Use the 60 grand powder mixture. 1/4 outshot, be amazed.
ditch the cusion wad
Try cornmeal instead of a wad
Good idea.