It's interesting. Flash clearly has habits that are indicative of the best in the world. However, because he's out of practice, those habits aren't good for him. He can't play like the best in the world because he currently isn't, so that's getting in the way of some of the stronger elements of his play. Pinpoint losses mount while his macro is amazing. His strategy is fine enough considering his knowledge base, but it's not quite modern. It's really interesting to watch.
This is an actual comment made by someone who saw Flash in a very early tournament. People were laughing at him because Flash was pretty cheesy back then. Well they're not laughing now.
Jaedong cut drones and had a razor-thin defense of 9 pressure mutas just to tech rush defilers by the 10.5 minute mark. He was down 10+ drones for most of the game but still managed to make it work. That was real impressive, he made it look easy. Defilers OP lmao
it's mindblowing that this game had only 17 minutes on the timer at the end considering how far the tech, upgrades, and unit counts got on both sides, both players played SO FAST. this is a speedrunner vs speedrunner battle. finally the jd vs flash we wanted to see. impressive
This feels like a very "traditional" ZvT style by JD with very fast tech, very few mutas and lings - maybe as a reaction to seeing Flash's low rax count with his ling scout at 4:18 Seems like the more modern style is to battle the M&M on the map which requires replacing killed mutas and delaying tech, but maybe that's just a reaction to the more rax-heavy styles from Terran
It's a common tactic for pro terran players, it rarely works but sometimes it does big damage. Flash did not play all that well this game compared to what I'm used to seeing..and the dong was firing on all cylinders killing every single vessel. Honestly the strongest BC play I've seen in ZvT is when the terran uses 3 BCs and hits with an eraser at the same time at a different base.
That was soooooo one-sided! JD blocked literally everything Flash did. Read him like a book! That had to be such a painful moment when Flash moved out for his timing push and slammed straight into that dark swarm wall. After that all he did was roam, never actually threatened any of JD's bases!
Once the muta count got reduced to 6 at 12:30, what stops terran from taking a third and fourth base simultaneously or building them at home ready to float over for when it's safe?
The Terrans should be called Zerg in this game: being able to leisurely sit in the easily defendable position, massing thing then just steamroll. Even though JD played balls to the wall and did it perfectly stretching thin, even sacrificing worker production, if Flash didn’t lose so much vessels Flash would’ve won or it would be much closer. Ridiculous.
So much greed with those vessels but man that last Zerg attack was just on its face so terrifying. WAY too much ultras running up, seriously just type GG.
I'm not sure if it's a lack of practice or wrist injury but Flash is no where near what he was before. I've seen better plays from some of the less known players on the channel.
The only prominent mistake I could agree on is loosing to much vessels: Flash would have won or the game would be much closer is those vessels stayed alive longer
(Spoilers within) Obviously I couldn’t do any better, or even half as good, but as a regular spectator it felt like a very sloppy management of vessels and BC’s towards the end tipped the balance
Considering that it’s much easier to keep vessels alive than to kill those there wasn’t any balance to begin with: Terran has 7-8+ vessels on the field additionally to the standard for the time in a game ground army - Zerg loses.
Dark Swarm blocks ranged attacks, but it only blocks the 'direct hit' part. The AoE portion of attacks (which is weaker than the direct hit for a siege tank or archon etc) will still hit. Burrowed Lurkers under Swarm VS. Tanks are a bit of a weird case in particular: Depending on the angle of attack between the Tank and Lurker-Under-Swarm , the tank splash could hit cleanly or it could miss ENTIRELY. It's just some StarCraft jank which I am 100% sure was not intended by the developers, but it's what we've got.
Sometimes. They all talk, watch each others streams, know each other IRL. Maybe they don’t literally know, but sometimes the build order, the type of harass, etc might be indicative of a certain player. They’ve been teammates at certain points, or rivals. Game has been in full swing since ‘98, it’s a long time. Kind of like, if you and your family played chess but you couldn’t see your opponent, you could probably tell that this is your dad playing and this is your mom. They may be similar in skill level, but your dad plays super aggressive and your mom is more a generalist. You’ve been playing them for 20 years so you can just feel it. Sure your mom can throw an aggressive game in there, so you may be wrong. But, after playing each of them 10 times, you can guess who is who.
On SaiyanKCM's channel he casted 7 games between Flash and Jaedong a few days ago. This game was among them if I remember correctly. Flash won the series 5-2. So although Flash is experimenting quite a bit and not in the greatest form, he's heading in the right direction.
@@Winnetou17 tanks can be good (it does give you an avenue to pressure a camping zerg under swarm ) but yeah, too many vessels lost, too little done with the tanks to justify the investment
@@theSato I don't remember the game enough to say, what I tried to do was simply a joke in the same manner. He said BC being a capital mistake, and BCs are capital ships. As in, it was a capital mistake not because it was a very big mistake, but becase the BCs are capital-level. I couldn't find a rank that would be fitting for a science vessel, so I used a tank instead :D
Request: ignore this Adrian guy. Only cast worthwhile Flash games, not every single one. These soooo many players and games that are awesome, even without Flash in them.
Spoilers This game made me so frustrated with Flashes army usage... no cover with wraits or goliaths for the vessals or the battlecruisers... no firebats for darkswarm... no scv's with army to repair ANYTHING or make forward bunkers to hold favorable chokes and highground... Not to say Im better as a player, just wanted a bit more counterplay than being a punching bag for zerg. Hate to see zerg get their cinematic satisfaction. 😢 😡
Artosis has been hype-ing Flash's comeback massively, like really a lot, and i believe that he is basically jinxing the hell out of Flash, which explains why he is losing 90% of the games since he came back.
Wow, you really put a lot of faith in the idea of jinxing. You know a more reasonable explanation is that he's rusty and getting back into shape. Also keep in mind that he's in the top 10 on the ladder which means he's actually winning most of his games.
@@abstractdaddy1384 top 10 on the ladder and in most of the match's that arty's uploaded of him he is not just losing, he is being schooled, even jaedong is destroying him and i dont know if you havent been watching closely, as of the last 7/8 years, jaedong became the worst ex-pro starcraft player in history, he just cant win against anyone....
@@abstractdaddy1384 He could be, Artosis is the most famous commentator SC1 in the world, his word echo to every SC1 player on this planet, and with the way he made many announcements about Flash's return, its possible that Flash felt the pressure of being called: "THE GREATEST SC1 PLAYER IN HISTORY IS COMING BACK" numerous times.
@@StoicFlame The Korean's don't give a crap about Artosis. Also, everybody in the brood war scene is talking about Flash coming back. If you're just talking about "pressure" and "expectations" possibly having an effect on his gameplay, that's not "jinxing". Furthermore, to think that Flash's losses at this point in time is do to him feeling pressure is absurdly ridiculous. He's literally just playing games on the ladder and as far as he knows, nobody even knows it's him that they are playing. There's NO pressure other than just the normal pressure one feels when trying to win a ladder game. Once again, whatever "poor" play you think he has right now(didn't he beat jaedong in the previous 2 games?) is obviously explainable by the fact that he's getting back into shape again, and not because he's feeling pressure from people hyping him or "jinxes". I'm just saying, your original comment was silly.
@@dagadagad EMP doesn't kill P. EMP isn't even commonly used unless P goes arbiters. The reason T can go mass vessels in TvZ is because bio doesn't need much gas at all. In TvP mech is obviously used over bio due to Psi Storm, so all the gas goes towards extra factories, and tanks and goliaths.
When he said he misspoke before, I thought he was going to address having said "beating a horse with a dead stick".
Thought it was clear he meant to say it incorrectly, sort of putting extra emphasis on the sentiment.
Arty doesn't admit to English mistakes. He's been mispronouncing Dragoon and Zealot his whole life without apology.
It's interesting. Flash clearly has habits that are indicative of the best in the world. However, because he's out of practice, those habits aren't good for him. He can't play like the best in the world because he currently isn't, so that's getting in the way of some of the stronger elements of his play.
Pinpoint losses mount while his macro is amazing. His strategy is fine enough considering his knowledge base, but it's not quite modern.
It's really interesting to watch.
This Flash fellow has a lot of potential. I think he could be a future Bonjwa with enough practice
Could be the new Slayer Boxer for all we know
🤣🤣
This is an actual comment made by someone who saw Flash in a very early tournament. People were laughing at him because Flash was pretty cheesy back then. Well they're not laughing now.
Flash would've won.
Jaedong cut drones and had a razor-thin defense of 9 pressure mutas just to tech rush defilers by the 10.5 minute mark. He was down 10+ drones for most of the game but still managed to make it work. That was real impressive, he made it look easy. Defilers OP lmao
The duality of jaedong's playstyle lol, when it works it looks so clean, when it doesn't he looks like a complete amateur lmao
Defilers really are OP against terran because basically almost everything terran does to fight is a ranged attack
it's mindblowing that this game had only 17 minutes on the timer at the end considering how far the tech, upgrades, and unit counts got on both sides, both players played SO FAST. this is a speedrunner vs speedrunner battle. finally the jd vs flash we wanted to see. impressive
This feels like a very "traditional" ZvT style by JD with very fast tech, very few mutas and lings - maybe as a reaction to seeing Flash's low rax count with his ling scout at 4:18
Seems like the more modern style is to battle the M&M on the map which requires replacing killed mutas and delaying tech, but maybe that's just a reaction to the more rax-heavy styles from Terran
Why send out two battlecruisers alone to get easily killed? It would have been better to send the marine army as well to kill that base.
It's a common tactic for pro terran players, it rarely works but sometimes it does big damage. Flash did not play all that well this game compared to what I'm used to seeing..and the dong was firing on all cylinders killing every single vessel. Honestly the strongest BC play I've seen in ZvT is when the terran uses 3 BCs and hits with an eraser at the same time at a different base.
Jaedong vs Flash and Artosis casting? At this point all that is missing is a GOM Player to complete the nostalgia trip
I love these Flash vs Jaedong games!!
I got spoiled. I don't see the typical spoiler blocker comment, so here's one.
Titanic sinks
I clicked to say thank you and also got spoiled. Snape kills Dumbledore
Flash beat Snow 4-0 the last time they played in ASL
Quit whining
You guide others to a treasure you cannot posess
now it's 5 games in a row. hopefully next game it will be 8 games in a row and so on.
That was soooooo one-sided! JD blocked literally everything Flash did. Read him like a book! That had to be such a painful moment when Flash moved out for his timing push and slammed straight into that dark swarm wall. After that all he did was roam, never actually threatened any of JD's bases!
hey Arty thank you for your hard work
Good morning RT
Thank you Artosis for your work !
Loving the casts
You say “Flash” I say “how high”!
RATM bobby
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
Oh boy, five in a row... great stuff!
Mooooore flash + artosis! ❤
enjoying... please, continue.
Love flash games as he evolves
Just in time !
Once the muta count got reduced to 6 at 12:30, what stops terran from taking a third and fourth base simultaneously or building them at home ready to float over for when it's safe?
Means giving up map control since they have to protect the expansion from incoming harass while also defending your natural.
Hope more to come
Arty: Domanding, meaning commanding and dominant only more efficient ;P
Is flash's mech focus maybe related to wrist injury concerns?
Cheering for JD!
I love both so much but if i had to Pick one to root for it has to be Jaedong
I will watch all of the flash games. Moar plz
Still think the zerg that skips the muta dance makes your opponent waste loads of minerals on turrets
The Terrans should be called Zerg in this game:
being able to leisurely sit in the easily defendable position, massing thing then just steamroll.
Even though JD played balls to the wall and did it perfectly stretching thin, even sacrificing worker production, if Flash didn’t lose so much vessels Flash would’ve won or it would be much closer.
Ridiculous.
copium comment
@@theSato elaborate or worthless
So much greed with those vessels but man that last Zerg attack was just on its face so terrifying. WAY too much ultras running up, seriously just type GG.
Flash flash would've flash.
I'm not sure if it's a lack of practice or wrist injury but Flash is no where near what he was before. I've seen better plays from some of the less known players on the channel.
Age is also a factor.
The only prominent mistake I could agree on is loosing to much vessels: Flash would have won or the game would be much closer is those vessels stayed alive longer
The dong is just playing with his food
Flash’s tanks would have tanked
What a provocative title!
this the type of shit you like before watching
(Spoilers within) Obviously I couldn’t do any better, or even half as good, but as a regular spectator it felt like a very sloppy management of vessels and BC’s towards the end tipped the balance
Considering that it’s much easier to keep vessels alive than to kill those there wasn’t any balance to begin with: Terran has 7-8+ vessels on the field additionally to the standard for the time in a game ground army - Zerg loses.
If the title of an article is a question the answer is no. RIP Flash tank build.
Flash May the Best but there is lots of rust to clean up to be in good shape it looks like
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 good shit!
Terran has to push early with marine-medic. Late game, it is almost impossible to deal with the swarm.
I can go both ways:
Late game it’s almost impossible to deal with the swarm of vessels
There is mid-game firebat push that beats the early darkswarm - let's see when it will be explored..
Losing all 5 marines just destroyed flash’s map control which meant JD felt like no pressure all game lol
Battlecruisers seem like even more of a meme than ultras were in early LOTV, I don't think I've ever seen them be useful at the pro level 🤔
hmm i wonder what jd gonna "demanding" flash 🤔
One day this “flash” character might be as good as scan
Snipe master. GGs
12:15 how did a unit die there lol
some of the siege tanks splash damage will actually go through dark swarm. its minimal, but its there.
Dark Swarm blocks ranged attacks, but it only blocks the 'direct hit' part. The AoE portion of attacks (which is weaker than the direct hit for a siege tank or archon etc) will still hit.
Burrowed Lurkers under Swarm VS. Tanks are a bit of a weird case in particular: Depending on the angle of attack between the Tank and Lurker-Under-Swarm , the tank splash could hit cleanly or it could miss ENTIRELY. It's just some StarCraft jank which I am 100% sure was not intended by the developers, but it's what we've got.
@@theSato Better put than I, well done.
When players like this match on the ladder do they know at the time who the other person is?
Sometimes. They all talk, watch each others streams, know each other IRL.
Maybe they don’t literally know, but sometimes the build order, the type of harass, etc might be indicative of a certain player.
They’ve been teammates at certain points, or rivals. Game has been in full swing since ‘98, it’s a long time.
Kind of like, if you and your family played chess but you couldn’t see your opponent, you could probably tell that this is your dad playing and this is your mom. They may be similar in skill level, but your dad plays super aggressive and your mom is more a generalist. You’ve been playing them for 20 years so you can just feel it.
Sure your mom can throw an aggressive game in there, so you may be wrong. But, after playing each of them 10 times, you can guess who is who.
Never thought I could EVER say this but flash looked so sloppy losing the vessels and tanks so easily.
On SaiyanKCM's channel he casted 7 games between Flash and Jaedong a few days ago. This game was among them if I remember correctly. Flash won the series 5-2. So although Flash is experimenting quite a bit and not in the greatest form, he's heading in the right direction.
Gonna munch all games
Making BC instead of vessels was a capital mistake
Compared to making tanks instead of bio, that was only a cruiser mistake.
@@Winnetou17 tanks can be good (it does give you an avenue to pressure a camping zerg under swarm ) but yeah, too many vessels lost, too little done with the tanks to justify the investment
@@theSato I don't remember the game enough to say, what I tried to do was simply a joke in the same manner.
He said BC being a capital mistake, and BCs are capital ships. As in, it was a capital mistake not because it was a very big mistake, but becase the BCs are capital-level.
I couldn't find a rank that would be fitting for a science vessel, so I used a tank instead :D
More like "Flash-in-the-pan"
Flash games for the win
Flash trying his old builds to understand for himself why they are not working anymore 😉
FINAL FLASH
Rush said that this terran played bad and theres no way its Flash . Shows that flash is just starting to practice
FLASH WILL CHANGE THE META
Flash getting spanked.
Request: Cast just FlaSh games, cast FlaSh games only, forget about all games but those where FlaSh is playing. Thanks
Request: ignore this Adrian guy. Only cast worthwhile Flash games, not every single one. These soooo many players and games that are awesome, even without Flash in them.
Jaedong vs Flash games are so good they basically ruin every other brood war game for me.
Sock mirror burrow sir
Spoilers
This game made me so frustrated with Flashes army usage... no cover with wraits or goliaths for the vessals or the battlecruisers... no firebats for darkswarm... no scv's with army to repair ANYTHING or make forward bunkers to hold favorable chokes and highground...
Not to say Im better as a player, just wanted a bit more counterplay than being a punching bag for zerg. Hate to see zerg get their cinematic satisfaction.
😢 😡
Artosis reads comments on the toilet. I make comments on the toilet. UA-cam is weird.
Toilet to toilet communication.
Good game
Flash wood of one
SCALOUU KOUJJJJJJJJJJJ
Flash's macro and late game is second to none
He looks a little rusty. But flashes worst game ever still wouldn't be my best . He will get there
Flash would have won
:)
Artosis has been hype-ing Flash's comeback massively, like really a lot, and i believe that he is basically jinxing the hell out of Flash, which explains why he is losing 90% of the games since he came back.
Wow, you really put a lot of faith in the idea of jinxing.
You know a more reasonable explanation is that he's rusty and getting back into shape. Also keep in mind that he's in the top 10 on the ladder which means he's actually winning most of his games.
@@abstractdaddy1384 top 10 on the ladder and in most of the match's that arty's uploaded of him he is not just losing, he is being schooled, even jaedong is destroying him
and i dont know if you havent been watching closely, as of the last 7/8 years, jaedong became the worst ex-pro starcraft player in history, he just cant win against anyone....
@@StoicFlame
Let's not forget you said Flash is losing because Artosis is jinxing him lol.
@@abstractdaddy1384 He could be, Artosis is the most famous commentator SC1 in the world, his word echo to every SC1 player on this planet, and with the way he made many announcements about Flash's return, its possible that Flash felt the pressure of being called: "THE GREATEST SC1 PLAYER IN HISTORY IS COMING BACK" numerous times.
@@StoicFlame
The Korean's don't give a crap about Artosis.
Also, everybody in the brood war scene is talking about Flash coming back. If you're just talking about "pressure" and "expectations" possibly having an effect on his gameplay, that's not "jinxing".
Furthermore, to think that Flash's losses at this point in time is do to him feeling pressure is absurdly ridiculous. He's literally just playing games on the ladder and as far as he knows, nobody even knows it's him that they are playing. There's NO pressure other than just the normal pressure one feels when trying to win a ladder game.
Once again, whatever "poor" play you think he has right now(didn't he beat jaedong in the previous 2 games?) is obviously explainable by the fact that he's getting back into shape again, and not because he's feeling pressure from people hyping him or "jinxes".
I'm just saying, your original comment was silly.
Flash
This isn't flash.
Lol hella late, other casters covered the whole series
Based on the last few days, Flash fuqn sucks
Overrated?
Zerg is just stupidly OP now.
Psionic storm kills zerg. Dark swarm kills terran. EMP kills protoss. Classical rock paper scissors.
Emp kills protoss, irradiate kills zerg, terran is the most op
@@dagadagad EMP doesn't kill P. EMP isn't even commonly used unless P goes arbiters. The reason T can go mass vessels in TvZ is because bio doesn't need much gas at all. In TvP mech is obviously used over bio due to Psi Storm, so all the gas goes towards extra factories, and tanks and goliaths.
now? the game hasn't changed
Gaaaaaaay
This is not Flash, I don't know who that was, but that wasn't anything like his style of play.
This is Flash. But hes rusty a bit.
The pros are all attesting that it is Flash, as well as referencing the hotkey layout on the replays, which is incredibly difficult to spoof.
His early greed was certainly like him. But throwing so many vessels... yeah, have me question a bit too.