"We must avoid conflict with China" | Is The British Military in Crisis?
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- The state of the Britain's armed forces has come under serious scrutiny after a series of embarrassing mishaps, raising concerns about whether they're in crisis.
Recent failures, such as the inability of the aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales to set sail for a NATO exercise and the Trident nuclear missile misfire, have highlighted the challenges facing British forces.
To shed light on the situation, Defence Editor Jerome Starkey from The Sun is joined by experts Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, Major General Chip Chapman, and General Lord Richard Dannatt to discuss the state of the UK's armed forces.
Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of the Royal Tank Regiment and chemical weapons expert, expresses his concerns about the adequacy of resources for the British Army. He emphasizes the growing threats facing the military, particularly from state-on-state conflicts and the need for a strong deterrent. Hamish points out that the current military capabilities are not suited for the challenges the country faces, especially in deterring adversaries like Russia and China.
Former Chief of the General Staff, General Lord Dannatt, provides historical context on defence spending and the importance of deterrence. Drawing parallels to the rise of Hitler in the 1930s, Lord Dannatt highlights the need for adequate resources to maintain a strong deterrent. He also reflects on his time leading the army during the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, noting the challenges of maintaining operations with limited resources.
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I personally think that the greatest threat to us is our government, and growing forces within😢
Couldn't agree more.
Your spot on but fake mainstream media doesn't want us to know that as they fool the sheep with there lies and propaganda
Precisely and they will want us at war to make room for the new comers
Which is why they want to train a civilian army.....can't have that threat running around untrained !
Its called sending them in as non cannon fodder to keep the pop high at sustainable levels .At least they won't have to worry about buying a house , well not the ones given free to 16k plus illegal immigrants
Even if China were to take back Taiwan by force, what has that got to do with UK?
Very true.
These warmongers are troublesome.
Because they won't have access to the chips they need. Biden has already said the US will bomb the fabrication plants if the Chinese attempt to get it or do get it. Say's a lot about the mindset.
Well everyone says Taiwan belongs to China even UK, so why is everyone brown nosing other peoples backyard? Americans and Europeans kids want to die in a Chinese family fight?
They will control the South China sea and dictate the terms of trade passing through including Europe's trade interests. So yeah, it's got everything to do with everyone including the UK.
@@patrickt49 thats a bit of a stretch. That literally means everypart of the ocean where ships can go any country can interfere because it may affect their trade. UK is no longer powerful enough to dictate to others their set of rules. But, you shouldn't worry even when China is angry they never colonised others.
The enemy is here in Britain .
“What I found out when I got into No. 10 is, I thought that if I got to the top of the tree, I would be able to implement those conservative policies… And what I discovered was that I was not holding the levers. The levers were held by the Bank of England, by the Office of Budget Responsibility, they weren’t held by the Prime Minister or the Chancellor…” Britain's Ex-Prime Minister Liz Truss, speaking on Steve Bannon's 'War Room'. Tells you everything.
Over there in Washington.
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The Indian agent who toes in line with Modi's China policy at the expense of the UK
Muslim forces and shariah laws within.
Our government given billions to Ukraine but they cannot look after our own soldiers family so many homeless soldiers living on street throughout the UK. Sad life.
same as in the States
Ever hear of HIAR ? It is an international Muslim charity that is providing meal assistance to the homeless population in Louisville Kentucky. The poor people in the US are getting foreign aid. Perhaps they might also be persuaded to tend to Britain ?
Importantly, politicians must fill up their pockets first with the expense of our tax payer left, not even scraps left for our army personnel . So sad 😢
Same in the USA
No NATO country is different. They justify it saying that Ukraine is fighting for all of you. Honestly, this is questionable. The way this conflict looks seems to be highly controlled from "above"
Just don’t follow the Americans blindly, and you should be safe. To be frank, the Russian or the Chinese don’t give a damn to you because you don’t pose a threat to them at all.
The only threat to UK is USA, NATO, EU and Israel.
Live Peacefully with your neighbours and you should be safe.
YOUR BEHAVIOUR is your security.
Stop your belligerent behaviour.
Only War Mongrels want wars.
I don't understand why you British people always like to belittle your own country. As a foreigner, I think the UK is the most powerful country in Europe.
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@@smokk-zs9kj thinking something is so does not make it reality . sometimes when am high i think the sky is made out of marshmallows but it aint so 😂😂
The British should be more worried about their Parliament being taken over by the Indians then worry about the Russian who are far away.
Better the indians than the peaceful one's .
Good one 🤭🤣🤣🤣
even less China
The last time i visited london, i thought i was in Pakistan😂
@@dawg929
More like India, even the Prime Minister is from India.
British forces would last a week against Russia
but the British ego wud 😂
Our History tells a different story!!!
That long?
That long!
@@user-fu4iw5dx3fExactly, remember the charge of the Light Brigade. We shown them,...didn't we
The UK is belligerent way way above its capabilities. Underestimating Russia is another major fault. But then, the Bear is only a threat if you keep poking it, as the UK does.
Arrogance and old colonial mentality keeps the British in a self delusional state of superiority compared to the rapidly improving and better equipped armies of the so called enemies.
First of all Russia isn’t a bear, it’s a country like any other. Just because you liken your country with an animal doesn’t somehow give it said animals qualities. Second, how is Britain “poking” Russia? It’s giving a country weapons, kind of like Russia does all over the world. Perhaps if Russia refused all the weapons it’s receiving from Iran and North Korea you’d have a point but while Russia is the second largest arms exporter in the world you really don’t.
@@popscratchie3985 the brits think they are as powerful as americans but they clearly aren't.
Oh grow up, it's an analogy just like the American eagle or the British lion.
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@@ragnarlothbrok2538 The Brits don’t need to be as powerful as the Americans as long as they’re allies, that’s the purpose of article 5.
Feed your citizens, stop the migrant crossings, stop dreaming of fighting a war.
China is not an aggresive nation. China does not invade other countries, China does not seek military conflicts with her neighbours and certainly not with far away lands such as Britain. Britain needs a military, especially naval, force to keep the country safe and not a force poised for invasions or sorting out distant preoblems.
I believe their neighbours disagree.
@@Enoo-Wynnjust spats. Still, China always dialogues with them. The West only seeks to divide and attack
Then why do they want Taiwan?
Taiwan is part of china. @@Imagineering100
@@Imagineering100why did the UK want to keep the Falklands?
Y UK&US always talk about war instead of investing and developing?
Poeple are call them warmonger for a reason.
Too many pen pushers getting ridiculous wages is the problem with most institutions in the UK.
We have more Admirals (41) sailing desks than we have major surface warships
Same all over the Western nations.
British army, with only one combat ready division, has 4 four star journals.
US Marine corps has less 4 star generals than that yet many times bigger than both British army and RAF combined
You got no chance raising an army to fight someplace else. You might be lucky to raise it if the mainland is actually under threat, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'd defend my home, but what's left to defend in the UK? All people do is complain and push down our native men. You expect them to fight? lol
Less than 50% of the under 30 yr olds are white British...'pushed down' is an understatement with regards how we are treated.
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1. Conflict with China is definitely not a win-win situation.
2 . Seeing China's rise should not annoy and anger any country because China's efforts to improve its technology , economy and military strengths are solely for self-defense.
3. The history tells us that China was invaded and tortured by many countries for very long time . China has no intention to revenge but instead it always implements the policy of mutual respect , peaceful co-existence , mutual prosperity , etc.
4. The current world situation is so chaotic and in danger. Why should many countries just think of
creating unrest? Do not forget that human life span is rather short. Is it worth to continuously torture and create suffering for ourselves ?
Because the west controlled by a group of warmongers for centuries....
You are wrong they are invaded the world silently
British still wanting to regain its former glory: Pipe dreams. Period.
the West hate competition
Very, very true. If only these western warmongers have your intelligence. Life for us humans is so short,really don't make sense to be difficult to others and ourselves. War causes pain to both parties
UK winding china up is like a hamster picking fight with a rottweiler....those clowns in parliament needs to be unemployed.
I am astonished! We have not felt the full effect of Brexit yet and we want to pick a fight with China thousands of miles away. Can anyone explain why China would want to interfere with our democratic process? Are we doing the bidding of our masters or a diversion because we have messed the prospect of our young people?
@@ansa336 . you are a clever man. agree
And it will be Australia and America doing the fighting in the pacific again, just like 70 years ago
China and Europe do not have any conflicts of strategic or practical interests. On the contrary, they are complementary in economic and other fields. If Europeans think China is a threat, I think it is the message sent by the United States.
Europeans should have a rational self-understanding. Europe is a Europe for Europeans, rather than fighting for the interests of Americans. Just like the Russia-Ukraine war, it hurt Europe but benefited the United States. European funds and industries have been transferred to the United States, and Europe has imported American energy at high prices. America replaces large Russian gas stations exclusive to Europe.
Why is the UK still kiss America’s rear ended?
Western countries - always talking about conflicts and war with China.
China - always talking about economy, building ties, infrastructure building, trades, improvements with other nations.
While most young English people getting drunk,taking drugs and play games the Chinese are recruiting and training their nation how to be fine soldiers
lol most are eating rats still
@@goldenbrown0 LOL...why u r sound so sour?
*i don't remember CHINA planning to attack U.K, both Countries are not even Neighbors, how would they fight? 😂*
China would never attack the UK. They hate British food. Why would they stake their lives for porridge and black pudding, which they deem disgusting?
Remember the story the frog who blew up his belly?
Britain used to be the "global power" like the US today, fighting way above its weight looting everyone around the world, along the way got so much air in its body and self esteem.
Even though after the puncture it degenerates back to its own self, the frog looks into the mirror still sees a big long shadow of itself that it thinks represents its importance in the world. So there's still a chance the frog loses its mind and croaks really loud.
As a chinese, the only thing might be of interest for me to attack UK, may be to get back the relics still kept in the British Museum? Otherwise, err ... sorry nothing of value or threat to consider to justify any effort.
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Stop poking our noses into things we can't handle then.
Who wants to fight for a Country that’s been given away. The Political parties have done the work for our enemies. We are demoralised and weakened, broken and woke.
Turning men in too women ain’t help us is it 😂
I’m not sure what your talking about mate? It’s some of the fannies turning up from civvy street that’s a challenge to turn into something remotely useful.
DEI
@@user-it7lf7kk8mDEI but ethnic minorities are not joining the army, make that make sense
@@libanalsomali7006 just because they are not joining does not mean the policies are not put in place. The policies are damaging in their own right. Just look at the adverts to join the army ( I know they are only adverts), they don't really inspire confidence, and they are aimed at the wishy washy types who probably wouldn't make good soldiers anyway. But if you discourage the people you really need in order to encourage those who you don't, just to look PC, then it isn't going to end well. Particularly if you are right and minorities and women don't join anyway.
A spiritual curse
I think the biggest elephant in the room that no one gives any discussion to, is the large amount of people in the UK who might well become active enemies.
We have millions of people living here who have no allegiance to the UK, in fact openly despise our laws,customs and culture.
I believe these would actively fight us, depending on our enemy or actively offer support depending on what their reward would be.
To be honest, most British people have always despised our law system and customs. Get the culture bit though.
trash-talk....
Same in the US which is why so many Americans are resistant to giving up their firearms
If your culture is warmongering, yes I don't respect
Yep. The UK is still run as a feudal state, most PMs from a handful of public schools.
We have the money for our defence, but we spend it on hotels, Ukraine and overseas aid. However, we need to stop poking our noses in other peoples conflicts.
You poked your nose happily enough in the aftermath of WWI & WWII.
We shouldn’t have poked our noses in both conflicts.
We don't. The UK's defence spending comes from borrowed money. Plus, there are manpower shortages that money can't fix.
@@NadiaSawicki-lt1ufwe should have left the Europeans to sort it themselves. Many aren't remotely thankful for the second chances they got and many like yourself are actively critical. So sort yourself out next time.
British Military VS china Military , you must be kidding , man.....lol
HAHAHA
On what basis can anyone with a level head makes a comparison between the armed forces of UK and China.
What a joke!!!
@@actevnetthey r still living in 1700🤣🤣😂😂
UK thinks they are still an empire lol
You totally miss the point from a geopolitical point of view. UK is not going to fight China by herself. You can almost utter that same thinking in mid 1930’s, which was prevailing in people and some politicians’ mind.
Look what follows ! Aggressive dictators of the world can smell weakness in opponents’ resolve from thousands of miles away and will take that heavily in their calculation.
@@janneyovertheocean9558it means UK cant stand alone and have tondepend on others. No point to be a sovereign country
The difference between the 1930s and Hitler and now is that in the 1930s the UK was a great power economically providing about 11% of world GDP. Now it is around 3%. There is a core element in the UK which for their own reasons is entirely capable of ignoring such facts. THe UK is 28th in the ranking for per capita GDP PPP. Another fact. What the UK should be about is maximising the wealth of its citizens like Switzerland. Not continuing to act like warmongers as though we were morally and economically superior to everyone else.
The only one pushing war is NATO. Fk around in someone's front yard and they defend themselves.
I have always thought that the main reason for WW2 was the harsh and unfair conditions put on Germany after WW1, at the Treaty of Versailles.
While the WW1 started for very obscure reasons. The English media were filled with war propaganda against Germany then, surely a large part of the reason for that war.
By the way, the same kind of war propaganda against Russia now profligate the Western media.
The parallel is striking!
Why do 90% of British Army units spend more time learning the difference between monosexual, pansexual and spectrasexual than they do on the rifle range if conflict is likely?
Chinese saying "the best war won is a war won without figthing"
Why bother . Become neutral and grow up . We can’t afford this . the country is bankrupt and no way out of this debt .
But we have grown up watching marvel, positioned ourselves as heroes of the world...
Uk has only 40 tanks in total 😂😂😂😂😂
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Ssssssh, don't say it so loud.
and they strip prince of wales to fix queen elizabeth....
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Stripped the husband to fix the wife? 🤣🤣🤣
really, UK you lying GB only 4 the probably get rid of the old stuff they gonna order new stuff ..
All the UK military put together cannot even fill Wembley Stadium.. yet we talk like a superpower.
The UK is a superpower
@@mersifullwolf4054 America's little poodle
@@sexynelson100 don’t embarrass yourself Ivan 🤣😂🤣😂
Liccle poodles ran away from Afghanistan as soon as the Yanks left 😂😂😂
@@mersifullwolf4054 He's right UK is a US lapdog/puppet
Russia didn't bring 600,000 to Ukraine. They brought much less than that. And that's a fact.
True, it was only 300,000
The Russian started the Special Operation with 95,000men . They then increased it to 191K. If Russia had wanted to invade Ukraine, it would have sent in 1m men.
@@Aransa-Khan having watched this special operation from the beginning, without once referring to MSM or other untrustworthy home newscasts, once can say that these desk-wallahs (who have zero real battlefield experience), know nothing at all about Russia, their hidden weaponry and, indeed, the weapons they do have currently. It is a formidable array. The Russians are the best equipped, most battle-hardened military force on earth today. Britain is the opposite, having run the nation's military capability into the ground over several decades, looks increasingly like 'The Mouse that Roared' - if you ever saw that Peter Sellers movie?
400 000 dead or wounded so far and they have there now 500 000. where u got those numbers?
@@ronnyrudeboy7461currently Russia fields 250-300,000 depending on how you count. Defense Minister Shoiugiu announced plans for another two divisions. putin is looking for another round of drafts. However they aren't as efficient as UK.
Why would UK think of itself being threaten by China. China has always said UK is not comparable to China and not a threat or interested to against UK but become frienda only. Its like would a human label say rabbit as a threat to attack rabbit?
That man in the dark suit is a propagandist,for an army man he sounds stupid. Why would Russia just up and attack England or France or Germany for that matter without any provocation?.
Very true, Russia and China are not threats. It's the other way round.
Russia has more land and resource than anybody else on this planet. it is the resource they are after. they didn't get very far after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin put a stop to it and rebuilt. that's why he is their biggest enemy.
Dont bully countries that can kick our arse,doesn't look good on the world stage.🤣
I think that currently our forces would be defeated in battle by the English ladies football team, let alone China?
Good point and even they were runners up
Not nearly as good as the rep , both .
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Lions led by donkeys,not the generals but the politicians!
Let's not kid ourselves, most senior officers are just politicians in uniform.
As a small tiny island I would definitely avoid conflict with a country of 1.4 billion population and a world economy!🤣
Hearing these 2 generals waffle makes me feel sick not got a clue!
Britain should just behave as what a waning mid level nation would do , stop interfering in others' affairs and be humble, then no one will bother you, let alone conquer you. In fact just watch out being eaten up from within in 1 or 2 generations' time. Rishi is just a starter course of more to come
Day dreamers responsible for the current situation in Ukraine continue to tell us Russia is an enemy we can fight. It’s so sad.
Don't ever mess with China.
Perhaps if NATO hadn't tip.toed up to the Russian border they wouldn't have been in the situation thyee in now. Pull back from the border and you solve the problem
That's not the US wants.
don't expect the government to show up an save u from the disaster they have made so much effort to cause.
That is a good point. They have just announced £31 million to protect themselves. Try getting protection from public funds if you need it on your local housing estate.
@@ruperttristanblythe7512 yep. it's scandalous.
@@ruperttristanblythe7512 we the public do already have protection though,
and we've already paid for it, many times over, it's our beloved and valiant M.O.D.
if politicians had kept the marauding hordes on the other side of the Channel,
they wouldn't all be in the danger they are.
it's not rocket surgery. they were warned often enough about what was happening.
thus, either they are as thick as pigshit, or it's deliberate, criminal behavior.
the news blackouts/cover-ups to hide the scale of the crisis from the public
indicate that they knew exactly what they were doing. it couldn't have happened by accident.
alas, it'll probably turn out to be the public's fault though, somehow...
Why the need to fight someone 8,000 miles away? That colored PM must be crazy.
Because Modi hates China. PM is an Indian agent, so he toes in line with Indian government policy on China issues at expense of UK.
not just the coloured one..... all the white ones before him as well
In the first place, why are the Brits thinking that they will get into a conflict with China? China and the UK are so far apart, where does this notion of a conflict with China come from? The Brits should take care of their own country and stop supporting the Americans in dominating the world.
因为英国侵略过中国 清朝和民国
掠夺了10000000万亿吨黄金和白银 文物。古董 国宝
Little Britten poking the bear poking the dragon. It’s comical.
the lion turned into a cub
You can't expect the Americans to fight our battles all the time.
Not if we want to win. 😂
America is on no position either to fight those battles. They can’t recruit, they are making overly complex hugely expensive equipment that needs far too much maintenance and burns just as brightly and easily as cheaper tanks.
Yeah after all in ww 1 and 2 uk had Germany well defeated before the US came in and prolonged the war lol
Against gov led wars before you go into whose better .Not for standing armies as were the founders of America .
@@dudeyfeb88coach The Yanks funded the Notsees and allies. They are no ally of ours. Never have been, never will.
The fact that a British talking about this issue is absurd, since UK is not even qualified to have conflict with China. UK's choice, either way, does not matter China.
He starts by stating that : Russia lost almost 3000 tanks and they are now fielding t55 and 62 and this gentleman wants me to take him seriously . For god sake you don't need this propaganda here when you're having a serious discussion about a potential adversary
You are right but Russia is not a potential enemy the British are making them into one.
Its true
All the young people now are in further education studying useless subjects
NATO has experience in fighting against insurgents without either air force nor air defences. And they didn't do very well in those conflicts. Afghanistan a case in point.
The might of UK and US 'air power' can't even defeat the Houties' blockade of Israel.
They are getting humiliated in Ukraine and instead of accepting defeat, talk about endless unwinnable war.
What these 'experts' fail to accept is that there is no desire for pointless war.
Nato is 3rd rate and the UK is a tier 3 nation inside it.
No successful missile test in over a decade. Laughing stock. 😢
We need to avoid conflict with everyone! Isn’t that what we pay politicians to do? Next time they want to go to War, I suggested they go instead of sending Soldiers!
Are these guests demented enough to believe the UK could win against Russia? You can tell the warriors with real battle field experience and those who only sat behind desks.
All these guests are Generals ect,what do you know??.......
@@MyScotty7what do they know? Fighting week military forces in Africa and middle East is not enough experience to fight Russia army
@@stevenwilliams3015These old generals are showing their arrogance and old self delusional colonial mentality of British superiority which prevents them from recognising the improved abilities and modernized weapons of their so called enemies.
@@MyScotty7more to the point, what do you know?
Yes, demented and florid with booze.
British army deployed in Australia to do what exactly, who is it trying to intimidate there????
So why are we doing dirty jobs in Ukraine!
China isnt the one sailing war ships through the English channel, so who is the one threatening who?
Sun Tzu a Chinese General and philosopher said “it is best for a country to have an army and no need to use it than for a country not to have an army but a need for an army.”
Im not interested in fighting for this country, for so many reasons.
You will be more likely fighting for Ukraine or Israel...
@@markuc the way it is lately, prob be Islam. I’m absolutely gutted with how my country is turning into a 3rd world nation. Thanks to woke US imported politics
still living in the past
Why is no one in government listening😡
lmao, America had the longest period of time under Trump as POTUS without going to war. . . also what the hell is wrong with a leader of a country looking after his own citizens first? . . . let's face it the UK leaders have the UK people way down the list of priorities.
Even under trump, the US was still all over the world meddling in other nations' affairs. There were still special ops/black ops running around in africa, you'd just know they were there when body bags arrive in the US and they can't hide that soldiers died in this so and so country that nobody even knew they were there at all. the US was still offering millions for maduro's head that had mercenaries go and try to outseat him from his administration, the US explained the botched coup by saying it wasn't them and that it was just an enterprsing move by a former US special force member. Okaaaay. They were there in Ukraine for years training Ukraine soldiers to fight Russia. They were there in taiwan arming and training them too. Trump also ordered bombings on 7 middle east and african nations like his predecessors who ordered the bombings under the "War On Terror". Admittedly, Trumps did not come close to the Obama who had dropped 26,172 bombs in seven countries just in his last year alone, the year he received the Nobel Prize for peace, lol.
Anyway, Trump was still part of the long-lasting way of agression by the US. Ex-president Carter said the US is the most war-like nation in all history and starting from the birth of the nation, it only enjoyed 4 years of complete peace in all that 250 (thereabouts) years of existence, and no it isn't Trumps term, lol.
Beat Russia? Are you guys delusional? Or gone mental?
If we had the enemy at the gates they wouid be more preoccupied with what pronouns they wont to be called . DEI is demoralising the military. My son in the nayy and spn in law wobt to oeave and they arent alone they are leaving in droves. Pay and accommodation are two areas where morale is low. My daugter cant get a dentist for her children they live in military accomodation
Military families in the UK depend on the NHS so having dental issues will be the same challenge as everyone else. The serving member will have access to Military Dentists and DRs. A lot of the housing stock is old and not well maintained and has similar issues to civilian market rental accommodation (mould etc). It is still heavily subsidised however this is also becoming more expensive and will be in line with the civilian sector soon enough. These issues coupled with non competitive pay are causing some to look elsewhere (certainly not leaving in droves). If the recruitment timeline was shortened the churn would be more sustainable.
@@markturner6755 not leaving in droves? The army was 113,000 strong and over manned in 2010, its about 75,000 now and undermanned too. The standards, unit cohesion and morale have all dropped since then as well.
The wise thing the UK can do is keep her nose off China/Taiwan, which is an internal affair! Do the right thing improving your own problems at home which is aplenty and need massive investments and efforts!
Hypocrisy: The Brits say "We must avoid conflict w/ China" and then sends a British aircraft carrier to the South China Sea.
But but but ...at least the British army has plenty of diversity 😉
diversity is wealth
The problem is that the liberal western countries and democracies have turned their citizens and populations into weaklings, when Chinese, European and Slavs are tough and gritty and battle hardened
In a war neither side really wins
The British talking about wars around the world is ridiculous😅
@@markucThe French are talking about sending troops to Ukraine, nothing against them but we seen what happened to them during WW2 against a smaller German army. And right before WW2 the French was the most powerful military in Europe with more troops, tanks, planes, ships. Artillery you name it. The Germans were just meaner and more ferocious and outsmarted and out toughed the French
Given the current state of our armed forces, I'd recommend not upsetting grandma at this point.
Is 'avoid conflict with China' in the tile a click bait? I am looking for this through the video, anyone can tell when did they talk about it? Thanks
They never really talk about. Click bait.
We must avoid conflict with the US and Germany as well !
Why that UK has to pick a fight w/ China in the first place ?
UK should try to keep distance from its Warmonger big brother where possible .
"Help Ukraine so they can defeat Russia". ??
The Ukraine army trained and equiped by NATO since 2014 has been nearly wiped out. Unnecessarily, I may add.
The main threat is withi, not outside.
A few weeks ago, they were saying we should worry about conflict with Russia.
And now, we have to worry about avoiding conflict with China?
This hyperbole regarding 'possible' international conflicts isn't going to help.
The problem has been building over the last few years. Social extremes, Lack of incentives, under funding... the list goes on.
We have a very long way to climb back up to the respected military presence we were. Frankly, I can't even see it happening...
Oh goodness, these guys still thinking the Russians are still equipped with old equipment and not a threat. Where did these guys come from and where did they get their information from? Legacy news?
How can we have aconflict with China,we have hardly any army .😅
China will just use their territorial army only. They reserve their regulars for uncle Sam.
The UK have about 138,000 in its armed forces, the same amount Ukraine lost after a few months of the Ukraine-Russia war.
Who'd sacrifice their life for this basket case of a country. Chinese or Russian rule could scarcely be worse than what we've got now, or are facing under Liebour.
That is careless talk, easily exploited by our enemies.
I agree. I think people here still seem to think that we live in the land of freedom and democracy. I grew up in the 80s and 90s…that was real freedom. They have taken those freedoms one by one. We live in an authoritarian state now. I would lift a bar to defend here. There’s nothing left to defend.
Russian can’t be that difficult to grasp. I can already speak bits of Chinese I picked up from the casinos
Labour
Basket case of a country is right. The People of Scotland recognised this a decade ago. Westminster is full of self-serving crooks!
All those empty heads in government 😢
If peoples kept talking 'War' rather than innovation, technology or education, don't see how the British will grow in the next 10 years. Shamed
We have a woke generation who wants to do TikTok videos and change their genders bring back national service
Blame their parents
@@1Pandemooniumnot just them, education and propaganda
What do you think National Service would accomplish? The Armed Forces are stretched as they are they haven’t got the personnel or resources to sort out the country’s social problems!
Yes , not Gov , media and gov education .But yes ,the parents should not have had kids .
The married heterosexual family unit is the bedrock of a functioning society. Successive governments over the last three decades have sought to destroy this concept.
in the usa they fly their flag proud.we get told to lower ours except if its isis or palestinian flags then its ok, drove through london yesterday and palestinian flags were flying even on backstreets at the same time a chip shop owner got told to paint out the union jack. tells you loads about the mayor of londonistan and our police and govt doesnt it
These 3 were all high up in the military when the numbers and equipment started to diminish. They should have spoke and challenged it then when they were responsible.
They sat on their hands to protect their pensions.
@@PhlegmwahnThat’s incorrect, both Lord Dannett and Chip were outspoken when serving. Lord Dannett is a straight talker and a soldiers soldier.
@@markturner6755 You are incorrect. They were in charge! Were they not? Last 30 years? If not, who were in charge?
there's just no money...... the country is broke
I find it slightly disconcerting that we can openly discuss our military deficiencies like this. Or is this part of an elaborate bluff ?
No, the British army is well documented as being on its knees.
well they want to do this and that but the country is broker than broke
Those days are Over for The United States and it's Brother The UK to Intimidate The world meanwhile China was planning learning Innovating and. Building it's Industry, it's Construction , it's Relationship with Other Countries
1/3 of the defence budget, for the next 8 years.
Will be used to replace the nuclear deterrents.
You can’t expect any military to be adequately prepared.
When 1/3 of its budget is consumed, before they can spend it!
UK vs China Dragon, 1.4 billion, 1 flick. Lol
Invest in a white flag .
Peaceful surrender, I agree. I’m voting for Vladimir Putin. He can’t be more corrupt than the Tory’s
Or rainbow 🌈 tactics.
With under investment from this government the army is in a terrible state rumours that currently only 40 tanks are mechanically sound.
Therefore charity starts @home while recent wars delivered diminished results.
Tories ruined this country
Labour did started with tony Blair mate
There solution bring back Boris lol seriously you could not make it up 😅
Blair and france/islam
Believing in a government who tells you there looking after you and keeping you safe...IS THE PROBLEM..
It was already on a downward trajectory. This started in the early 2000s if not before.
British forces couldn't defend a dish of fish and chips, from a hungry beggar.
Nothing about internal defense.
The real danger is within, wake up
the UK is thousands of Km from China-why would there be a 'conflict' between them in these times? its not the 19th century anymore fellas.
Who are these people? Are they qualified to be there? It's a pantomime show. Ukraine defeating Russia is like non-nuclear Mexico defeating the US.
Isn't Mexico successfully supporting the invasion of the US ?
I’m not going to listen to anyone talking about suicidal ideation
They keep talking about Russian loses, what about Ukrainian loses, they started with an army of 1/2 million troops and huge military and financial aid from the West. They still asking for more money or they lose the war.
Rishi Sunak is the greatest threat to the UK with his back handers to outsource all the UK work to India including making his families rich at the expense of the UK economy.
It is an absolute disgrace that our servicemen have to put up with inferior accommodation whilst an enormous amount of money is spent on housing illegal immigrants from alien countries to whom we owe nothing. Essential that recruitment is brought back in-house, they have the knowledge of priorities which are required of servicemen.
We should be trading with China, not seeking confrontations. What are the benefits of starting a war? What threats are we facing from Russia and China?
losing the world hegemony, that's the point.
No one wants to be in a rainbow army
what military? All the services fit in a football stadium