Hey Joe! Just watched your video in the Kirchoff EQ. I've been using it on my mix bus for a while and I love it, but now I've watched your video I might start using it to it's full potential on my individual tracks! Thanks again 👍🏻
Thanks, great presentation. The smoothness can be nothing other than a different curve which does not include some lower hight frequencies, no matter the displays look the same.
Downloaded the demo and I was amazed that it has no time limitations, you only can’t save or load presets(which I don’t mind anyway) and maybe lacking some other features maybe. But it’s pretty usable that I think the demo alone is enough. Plus I can put some really nice picture on the background and customize theme which is pretty cool.. love it!
@@royzturbo Never had an issue with fabfilter so they can have my money anytime. I’m not going to tell you where to put your money, you do whatever you want with it, it’s yours.
@@royzturbo wtf lol?!? I’m just saying this is what i would like pro Q 4 to be which btw emphasizes how good the kirchhoff eq is…. What’s wrong with that? People nowadays be sensitive for the dumbest things…
@@elkolo2857 yeah, for sure. I just think he didn't get what you were saying. Maybe a language barrier?.. But I hear ya. This Eq kinda tops the Fab Filter a bit.
In the free setting, the blue (relative horizontal line) is shorter than the entire (relative) range. Its range (length) becomes adjustable. This has me slightly confused. What if I took the relative & detect horizontal line (blue vs bluish red) and have them overlap, as is the case at 5:31 of this video. It just means it focuses the detection percentage in a position that overlaps the relative detection (which was at first befuddling - these are really just 2 identical functions at this point, aside from being the opposite?.)
Just a small note, I noticed that when you were comparing the AMEK 200 for cramping, you had the 30 khz low pass filter engaged. I think this was part of the steep dropoff, but otherwise great video and thanks. :)
The Kirchoff was actually boosting much less in the high shelf. The slopes of the filters are probably different even if they look the same on the GUI.
I wish someone with better ears than me would listen to Equilibrium by DMG compared to the Kirchhoff (in the high end) and comment. This EQ seems in a sense to be a mix of Equilibrium and Pro Q3 (although Equilibrium doesn't have dynamic equalization, but it does have some really good analog EQ-style filter curves).
Have you tested the cpu usage I'm reading on the page that it should be very light on CPU did you observe this? Especially the combination of dynamic and static EQ bands Thanks!
I did a test with Fabfilter Pro Q3 inside DDMF oversampling at 16x. This way in comparison to Kirchhoff the airiness at the very high end 6-12 k) is very comparable. It took me a lot of listening to really hear much difference. Only when I "popped" my ears (like wen on an airplane) could I discern maybe 10 percent improvement with Kirchhoff 2x oversampling and 117 bit mode. That "airy" band is a critical band for many instruments, electric guitar and vocals being two. Turning those off made it very hard to hear any difference from Pro Q3, and Pro Q3 did quite well if not better with that oversampling jacked up like that. Metaplugin is pure Gold. I'm pretty sure many producers will not be that obsessive but I deal with synthesis techniques and electric guitar, where distortion and saturation are literally a central concern. I'm still interested in getting Kirchhoff EQ, because having its built in high end clarity, and dynamic EQ functions all seems handy.
@@Hexspa I quite like it for oversampling, that's what I use it for mainly, although you can save FX and synth chains in them. I use it for oversampling, especially on saturators, or on synths where something in my chain is saturating, and where synth waveforms are producing square waveforms, or nearly so. Then its unmistakable - I can hear the improvement as clarity in the brightest regions of the sound. My ears are not great either, but I imagine we're talking about some foldback aliasing but I could be wrong. I recently started using DDMF's grand EQ in minimal phase mode because it does a better job than my other EQ's on acoustic pianos. It compares to Crave EQ - both are good.
@@cachelesssociety5187 Hmm, square waves. That makes sense. I've notice myself that oversampling changes how synths sound, and of course distortions and other things. Using reaper, I have this feature available to me also. The idea of saving FX chains is cool but, not to sound like a fanboy, reaper is making progress there too. Of course, Metaplugin makes these features portable. Seems like you're really into EQs. I've been using MAutoDynamicEQ and it's pretty good. ProQ3 has some tempting features and Acustica updated Gold (vintage Neve) recently so that's been keeping me busy. Do you have any insights into my choices? :)
@@Hexspa I haven't gotten very far into Acustica - its on my list at some point. For guitar I'm using the DDMF Grand EQ because of that minimum phase setting - it only takes 32 samples of latency if I remember correctly. Crave EQ takes 48 on the similar setting. I tried these 2 EQ's compared to a bunch of others when trying to compensate for some unwanted very upper frequency range stuff on certain Pianoteq piano models. It was then that I really became convinced that there's something to the phase settings (linear, minimum, etc.) but of course as a guitarist I can't have more than about 15 ms of latency,. Possibly the other EQ's can all do well with their greater latency, I didn't test that.
Why does it look so much like Fab Filter man. Seems like they would have been a bit more original. Plus, I dont see much that one does that the other doesn't. I also heard most of the analog models were wrong on the EQ curves have they fixed that yet?
Reminder: the Kirchhoff was set to 117 Bits while the presonus EQ remain at its default (64 bits?). Oversampling on the Kirchhoff is turned off, the PreSonus is the default so it could be on or off.
The Kirchhoff was actually set to 64-bit processing like the stock EQ - the 117 bit button would be lit up if it was engaged. The stock EQ does have oversampling, but that shouldn't really matter that much with a shelf. I suspect the stock EQ would cramp with a bell filter and no oversampling.
So I just wanna play devil‘s advocate and say as cool as this is I don’t have nearly enough time to menu dive through different EQ curves. I’m happy to stick with fab filter, split EQ and the handful of other analog emulation EQ’s I already have. Amazing stuff though!
@@GreenLightSound It's very clean, but also has excellent circuit level emulation character EQs. It's pultec emulation is fantastic. It does not have any dynamic features. However for that I went to Sonible:SmartEQ/SmartComp which is spectral comp which is amazing. I AB'd that against Melda Spectral Dynamics and Sonible was more transparent.
The Sibilance has the energy in Pro EQ. The Kirchhoff sounds duller. May have to boost it much more than the Pro EQ for it to have the top end lift the Pro EQ has.
flavor of the month, how bad are people tracking their recordings that EQs need all this? In a world where most new mixes are horribly overprocessed we throw more processing options into the mix. People waste too much time and money on plug-ins and you can't even resell them. Buy outboard gear you can get incredible mixes once you learn how to use them, they are nice to look at and you can get your money back out of them when you resell them. I see no end in sight with people needing the next great plug-in month after month wasting money, some people I know have hundreds if not close to a thousand plug-ins, by the time they find what they are looking for I am half way done with my mix. Tools are supposed to make work easier and most plug-ins do make mixing easier, but having a huge selection to choose from and learning how to use them correctly serves no real purpose.
Can you really tell me that hardware junkies don't do the same thing? The only difference being the cost of the equipment is so high that they can't afford more until next year. Who's to say that new mixes are overprocessed? If people like to listen to it, the engineer did exactly as much as they needed.
There is a whole generation out there where most of them would not even know how to integrate outboard gear into their usb/thunderbold interface set-up . . but there is also a whole new generation out there that is able to deliver good sounding mixes without external gear
My man still lives in The Beatles era. As someone from a third world country, plugin is the only thing I can rely on my productions because it's convenient and cheap. You must know that someone doesn't have the same privilege as you to buy those fancy ass hardware, heck my daily meals from breakfast to dinner usually cost less than $5
It's hard to get excited about new digital EQs these days, but this one is special.
Hey Joe! Just watched your video in the Kirchoff EQ. I've been using it on my mix bus for a while and I love it, but now I've watched your video I might start using it to it's full potential on my individual tracks! Thanks again 👍🏻
Thanks, great presentation. The smoothness can be nothing other than a different curve which does not include some lower hight frequencies, no matter the displays look the same.
Downloaded the demo and I was amazed that it has no time limitations, you only can’t save or load presets(which I don’t mind anyway) and maybe lacking some other features maybe. But it’s pretty usable that I think the demo alone is enough. Plus I can put some really nice picture on the background and customize theme which is pretty cool.. love it!
i was sold after using this only for a short time... love it
this eq is crazy!!!!! gonna try it out!!!!
Thank you for this in-depth tutorial.
This is exactly everything i want Pro Q4 to be
Why? Don't give people that treat their customers poorly money. This company is better and so is their product.
@@royzturbo Never had an issue with fabfilter so they can have my money anytime. I’m not going to tell you where to put your money, you do whatever you want with it, it’s yours.
You just like advocating a competitors product on someone else's video. Sounds like you should listen to your own advice mate.
@@royzturbo wtf lol?!? I’m just saying this is what i would like pro Q 4 to be which btw emphasizes how good the kirchhoff eq is…. What’s wrong with that?
People nowadays be sensitive for the dumbest things…
@@elkolo2857 yeah, for sure. I just think he didn't get what you were saying. Maybe a language barrier?.. But I hear ya. This Eq kinda tops the Fab Filter a bit.
Awesome review man. Peace
Yes Yes!!! The Best EQ in the world!!!!
Thanks for such a detailed explanation.
You're welcome!
In the free setting, the blue (relative horizontal line) is shorter than the entire (relative) range. Its range (length) becomes adjustable. This has me slightly confused. What if I took the relative & detect horizontal line (blue vs bluish red) and have them overlap, as is the case at 5:31 of this video. It just means it focuses the detection percentage in a position that overlaps the relative detection (which was at first befuddling - these are really just 2 identical functions at this point, aside from being the opposite?.)
could u show how to do the dynamic part in studio one for kick and bass..the set up
me to, I like it so much, it's the last eq on my channels to make the finalize
how does it compare to the studio one stock eq ? in plugin doctor
Have you ever used the plugin doctor for the volcano proQ3 series? What was the verdict?
Any alternatives to plug-in Doctor for pro tools?
How can u able to see graphical view of analog eq?
Just a small note, I noticed that when you were comparing the AMEK 200 for cramping, you had the 30 khz low pass filter engaged. I think this was part of the steep dropoff, but otherwise great video and thanks. :)
Good catch, but unfortunately I tested it out and the filter doesn't change the cramping at all.
I wished this had a match eq function like fabfilter proq3..
Have you compared meldas automatic eq to fabfilter?
The Kirchoff was actually boosting much less in the high shelf. The slopes of the filters are probably different even if they look the same on the GUI.
9:00 did you try enabling vector text?
2:15 why do engineers want linear phase for high frequencies?
You bet it is!
7:46 💯 12:18 nice
Wow, I like my ProQ3 but this EQ does a lot more. Might be my new go to.
It's becoming mine!
What are the extras on this apart from proQ features? Thanks.
I wish someone with better ears than me would listen to Equilibrium by DMG compared to the Kirchhoff (in the high end) and comment. This EQ seems in a sense to be a mix of Equilibrium and Pro Q3 (although Equilibrium doesn't have dynamic equalization, but it does have some really good analog EQ-style filter curves).
Have you tested the cpu usage I'm reading on the page that it should be very light on CPU did you observe this?
Especially the combination of dynamic and static EQ bands
Thanks!
Very CPU friendly, even with several dynamic bands engaged along with static filters. You could easily use this all over a mix.
I did a test with Fabfilter Pro Q3 inside DDMF oversampling at 16x. This way in comparison to Kirchhoff the airiness at the very high end 6-12 k) is very comparable. It took me a lot of listening to really hear much difference. Only when I "popped" my ears (like wen on an airplane) could I discern maybe 10 percent improvement with Kirchhoff 2x oversampling and 117 bit mode. That "airy" band is a critical band for many instruments, electric guitar and vocals being two. Turning those off made it very hard to hear any difference from Pro Q3, and Pro Q3 did quite well if not better with that oversampling jacked up like that. Metaplugin is pure Gold. I'm pretty sure many producers will not be that obsessive but I deal with synthesis techniques and electric guitar, where distortion and saturation are literally a central concern. I'm still interested in getting Kirchhoff EQ, because having its built in high end clarity, and dynamic EQ functions all seems handy.
You like metaplugin for oversampling?
@@Hexspa I quite like it for oversampling, that's what I use it for mainly, although you can save FX and synth chains in them. I use it for oversampling, especially on saturators, or on synths where something in my chain is saturating, and where synth waveforms are producing square waveforms, or nearly so. Then its unmistakable - I can hear the improvement as clarity in the brightest regions of the sound. My ears are not great either, but I imagine we're talking about some foldback aliasing but I could be wrong. I recently started using DDMF's grand EQ in minimal phase mode because it does a better job than my other EQ's on acoustic pianos. It compares to Crave EQ - both are good.
@@cachelesssociety5187 Hmm, square waves. That makes sense. I've notice myself that oversampling changes how synths sound, and of course distortions and other things. Using reaper, I have this feature available to me also. The idea of saving FX chains is cool but, not to sound like a fanboy, reaper is making progress there too. Of course, Metaplugin makes these features portable.
Seems like you're really into EQs. I've been using MAutoDynamicEQ and it's pretty good. ProQ3 has some tempting features and Acustica updated Gold (vintage Neve) recently so that's been keeping me busy. Do you have any insights into my choices? :)
@@Hexspa I haven't gotten very far into Acustica - its on my list at some point. For guitar I'm using the DDMF Grand EQ because of that minimum phase setting - it only takes 32 samples of latency if I remember correctly. Crave EQ takes 48 on the similar setting. I tried these 2 EQ's compared to a bunch of others when trying to compensate for some unwanted very upper frequency range stuff on certain Pianoteq piano models. It was then that I really became convinced that there's something to the phase settings (linear, minimum, etc.) but of course as a guitarist I can't have more than about 15 ms of latency,. Possibly the other EQ's can all do well with their greater latency, I didn't test that.
Have you compared Kirchhoff vs Maag? I thought that was the top-end king for awhile.
Does this work in logic pro x on mac book pro M1?
I haven't tried it, but it says it supports Logic and Apple chips.
….but even today macOS Ventura is not officially supported. Thats so disappointing
Why does it look so much like Fab Filter man. Seems like they would have been a bit more original. Plus, I dont see much that one does that the other doesn't. I also heard most of the analog models were wrong on the EQ curves have they fixed that yet?
Reminder: the Kirchhoff was set to 117 Bits while the presonus EQ remain at its default (64 bits?). Oversampling on the Kirchhoff is turned off, the PreSonus is the default so it could be on or off.
The Kirchhoff was actually set to 64-bit processing like the stock EQ - the 117 bit button would be lit up if it was engaged. The stock EQ does have oversampling, but that shouldn't really matter that much with a shelf. I suspect the stock EQ would cramp with a bell filter and no oversampling.
12:35 You Must Bypass Kirchhoff-EQ Before Checking Pro-EQ2. but you're not. 😅
Is it a dynamic EQ ?
Yes
So I just wanna play devil‘s advocate and say as cool as this is I don’t have nearly enough time to menu dive through different EQ curves. I’m happy to stick with fab filter, split EQ and the handful of other analog emulation EQ’s I already have. Amazing stuff though!
I foresee this on the pro Q4
Sounds great, but in all my AB it does not beat Equilibrium on sound, in fact, falls short in a few areas. However, UI is definitely better.
I've heard great things about Equilibrium. Haven't tried it yet.
@@GreenLightSound It's very clean, but also has excellent circuit level emulation character EQs. It's pultec emulation is fantastic. It does not have any dynamic features. However for that I went to Sonible:SmartEQ/SmartComp which is spectral comp which is amazing. I AB'd that against Melda Spectral Dynamics and Sonible was more transparent.
If they bring in EQ MATCHING , THEN PROQ3 is in serious trouble
The Sibilance has the energy in Pro EQ. The Kirchhoff sounds duller. May have to boost it much more than the Pro EQ for it to have the top end lift the Pro EQ has.
To my ears the KEQ sounds transparent, the Pro EQ sounds to much distortion in it.
That's the way I hear it too. Pro EQ sounds harsh.
vERzuz SplitEQ?
Haven't tried SplitEQ yet.
@@GreenLightSound OKay.
looks a lot like FF EQ, i'm betting it's developed by people who quit the company lol.
That's a fair bet. I feel similar about Adobe Premiere vs. DaVinci Resolve lol
Unfortunately it is a cpu hog...
Is ur computer a potato? Very light on my setup
Copy past from Fabfilter EQ3
You can’t do that..I think it has to be the same plugins to do that
flavor of the month, how bad are people tracking their recordings that EQs need all this? In a world where most new mixes are horribly overprocessed we throw more processing options into the mix. People waste too much time and money on plug-ins and you can't even resell them. Buy outboard gear you can get incredible mixes once you learn how to use them, they are nice to look at and you can get your money back out of them when you resell them. I see no end in sight with people needing the next great plug-in month after month wasting money, some people I know have hundreds if not close to a thousand plug-ins, by the time they find what they are looking for I am half way done with my mix. Tools are supposed to make work easier and most plug-ins do make mixing easier, but having a huge selection to choose from and learning how to use them correctly serves no real purpose.
It's cool to have a tool able to face any eq situations. That's all.
Can you really tell me that hardware junkies don't do the same thing? The only difference being the cost of the equipment is so high that they can't afford more until next year.
Who's to say that new mixes are overprocessed? If people like to listen to it, the engineer did exactly as much as they needed.
Dude plugins and hardware aren’t that far apart sound wise..and I mix using a hybrid setup..stop the bs!
There is a whole generation out there where most of them would not even know how to integrate outboard gear into their usb/thunderbold interface set-up . . but there is also a whole new generation out there that is able to deliver good sounding mixes without external gear
My man still lives in The Beatles era.
As someone from a third world country, plugin is the only thing I can rely on my productions because it's convenient and cheap. You must know that someone doesn't have the same privilege as you to buy those fancy ass hardware, heck my daily meals from breakfast to dinner usually cost less than $5
Bullshit PARAMETRIC EQ IS THE BEST
uhm? this is a parametric EQ...
You came here to say that? Seriously?
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#RichardBeyShowSoundFX Uhhhhhdahhhhh!
Well we all know you don’t know shit about mixing lol