Kirchhoff EQ Crazy Mistakes and Constant EQ Explained
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2023
- Crazy Kirchhoff EQ Mistakes & Constant EQ is Explained. After you get a Mixing Tutorial on the Constant type of equalizer, we will measure the best EQ plugin on the market to prove that Kirchhoff EQ plugin its incorrect design. SSL E and SSL G EQ curves' as well! To Attend a free trial Class of this Mixing Course online send email to: mixingcourse@andrewzeleno.com
In This Video We Will Talk About:
This EQ is for 1 year on the market and became the most popular EQ plugin. But seems like I'm the only one who noticed these crazy mistakes in its design. Also you will learn something what you may not know: What Constant EQ is. We will compare SSL E VS SSL G and we will check how completely wrong Kirchhoff EQ emulates these classic EQ. BUT! About Most important mistakes you will find out from the video! Measuring is included!
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Hi, I am glad You are back with lots of videos and with TONS of unique valuable information!!
Thanks!
A podcast with Andrew and Dan Worrell would be gold
pffff!!! I'm also impressed that nobody noticed this. It just shows how little knowledge any audio engineer has! Thanks for the video!
Glad it was helpful!
That was a great explanation with an Eisberg! I like it very much)) Although we studied all these nuances in Andrew's course, it will always not be superfluous to repeat this knowledge and learn something new. I didn't even know that such an equalizer appeared in the past year, because I work mainly with SSL 😎🤠🎸
Thanks Rommy!
Mind blown... no wonder I was so skeptical about this equalizer... Thanks for making it clearly Andrew
Glad it was helpful for you!
Great to see a new video, Andrew. Excellent explanation as always!
Thanks Hugo! Always nice to hear from a former student!
Hi!! Great to see your video coming more often !!
Hi Ashot! Nice to hear from you. How are things going?
The guy I trust in audio engineering! Thanks my man!
Thanks my friend!
Thanks for this video! You are my favorite youtuber actually! Your explanation and knowledge arw something else!
Wow, thanks!
Thank you Andrew as always for breaking it down and for providing such useful information. Absolutely appreciate all the testing you always do. I'm surprised about Kirchhoff EQ but it's great to know and understand the tools. Thank you for doing it!
Always great to hear from you!
Always the most analytical and accurate information on the web!!!! I graduated this mans course. It changed the way I make decisions. I understanding what I am doing and why! It really helps when you truly have a good understanding of equalizers and curves. I know when I grab G vs E why it sounds better or worse and which curve is best for the task at hand! AZ is the man!!!!!
Almost spit my coffee at 20:15 man lol. Thank you for this explanation! I did not really understand the constant EQ concept nor the difference between G & E, now it all clicks!
You are welcome. I will start making videos on UA-cam again in the middle of December, subscribe and hit a notification bell if you like.
It was huge! Thanks for so detailed measuring! You aee thw best teacher!
You're very welcome!
great video ! Andrey, thank you very much! be sure to go to a free, trial class to make sure that the course is awesome
Hi Serzh! Glad to hear from a former student! I appreciate your constant support even after you finish the course!
As always excellent explanation!!! I´m in the course and i don´t regret one single day!!
Great break down Andrew. Thanks
Thanks man!
Great stuff as always!
Thanks!
Taking Andrews course was the best thing I ever did! The man has changed my like to enjoy mixing again. What I love about the course that he is straight forward! And he will keep it 💯! His strategy of getting to know the tool you work with is on another level! Real talk! He’s definitely a HuGE Game changer!
Glad to hear that!
Great visual explanation!
Tanks Miguel! See you on Friday at the class.
Hi From USA - great job on your channel and the course sounds good. On the website where Kirchhoff EQ is advertised it says, "* No non-linear behaviors were modeled. All vintage filter types only contain ideal linear parts of their physical model.". I don't know what they mean by "ideal linear parts". I was under the impression that people like those modeled classic EQ's for their unique filter curve response, along with other aspects (sorry if that's a poor description). Instead I suppose it's possible we're talking about Kirchhoff simply modeling something about phase response, but using linear filter curves as a starting point? TBH I have no idea... For comparison I found this in the DMG Equilibrium manual, that also has some analog EQ models: "Analogue provides the same cumulative minimum phase response as hardware. Zero-latency analogue uses only the tail portion of the impulse response, thus allowing for zero latency but at the cost of phase accuracy at higher frequencies. Minimum phase applies a transformation to reduce the phase delay as far as possible." As regards setting the top setting to Analog mode, this is what the manual says about it: "Generally, every type of digital filter has its corresponding analogue prototype. You can imagine the concept of "analogue prototype" as what an ideal filter behaves like at an infinite sample rate. It is obvious that the sample rate is limited in the digital world, thus there are differences between the digital implementation and its analogue prototype. The Analogue Prototype Simulation is to compensate the difference on amplitude and phase at the expense of processor intensity and latency."
This is the best and most detailed SSL eq comparison ever. Thank you
Thanks. Check my latest upload. Hope UA-cam gives you a recommendation.
The funny thing is when these EQ came out, i did't give them any time to check it out, because i already was in mixing course by Andrew, you learn in the course fundamentals knoledge about Soundmixing so that you don't care what comes out, cause you can do same job with every stock EQ plugin.
Tool still matters. But how you do it is much more important.
I like so much your analysis , nice nice material
Thanks man!
Mindblowing stuff man! You are at the totally different level than others! And your teaching skills are amazing too!
Thank you so much 😀
I graduated from his course! It's the best one IMO.
Picked up the trial to check this myself a few months from this video date. Still like this with no difference in the curves. Crazy. Thanks for this great work man! Subbed! ❤ 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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@@AndrewZeleno1 Excellent. I will!
Great video as always AZ.
Thanks Malik! Always a pleasure to hear from a former student!
Thanks for checking this out for us and sharing! I've been using the Kirchhoff a lot lately and love the "swiss pocket knife" EQ options... This is really sobering though...
Yes. Their SSL curves are emulated incorrectly.
Hahaha. Funny stuff for sure! You are completely right! Thanks master!
Glad you enjoyed it
I love your videos .
Thanks!
It says it right in the manual . They'r not analog emulation of the vintage units in the plug-in . Rather just the hardware model look. Don't know why they would even bother if they don't emulate. I like the eq still . I don't use those hardware face plate . The only thing it emulates is the way the hardware looks. LOL.
But let's be honest. They should not call it SSL if it has completely wrong curves.
Thanks for watching! As I said I bought it for myself as a digital EQ. But analog emulations are fake for sure.
Ok, then that should explain things!! Also Andrew, you did not explore the different options (2x O.S, different phase responses, etc.)
Well Done my friend
For sure this video is not sponsored by Kirchhoff 😂😂😂
Great content as always!
I don't have any video sponsored by somebody. Even Sonarworks one gave me their product but asked for the honest review.
Very interesting !
thanks!
Proportional Q, yep, you're 100% correct, Andrew! I'm pretty sure API EQ's also work this way.
Absolutely! Check my latest upload.
Revealing. Thanks.
awesome! so which one do you prefer? which is your favorite eq for vocals?
It's a long story to put it in the comment. Also "favorite" is a beginner approach. For me it's about what and why. Then what tool to use is chosen naturally.
Great analysis. I think it would have been even better to use Plugin Doctor to compare the actual curves of all the plugins side by side. So the SSL Channelstrip 2 is a 9000 J as well?
I always thought analog curve emulation in this plugin was a bs marketing thing. as you said, if I want narrow curves I would just go for a digital eq. it could be implemented better, though. pulsar massive for instance did it right: you have the graphic eq but since its a proper analog emulation (that, unlike kirchhoff, also adds saturation) you can't make narrow curves and steep cuts
Thanks for sharing and for watching!
Как всегда холодный инженерный подход, за что и люблю этот канал! Я пока что не хватаюсь за все плагины сразу, пока что решил приноровиться к Системе 1 и использую в качестве эквалайзера просто цифровой Pro-Q3. Ну а спустя время уже буду на аналоговые эмуляции постепенно переходить
Привет! Мой совет - обзаведись эмуляциями компрессора 1176 хотя бы, без них тяжело начинать. 1176 очень быстрый, но Feedback компрессор, очень отличается от обычной цифровой компрессии и приятно красит звук, для вокала часто идеален. Но у него ручки атаки и релиза работают в инверсии, правда, так что надо иметь это в виду.
@@TransistorLSD Так речь про эквалайзер. Все эти эмуляции у меня есть
Did they ever fix these issues at Three Body/m@Plugin Alliance?
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О, теперь я вас могу понять когда вы говорите на английском. У яндекс браузера сейчас есть синхронный перевод видео с помощью нейросетей. И довольно не дурной перевод. Крутяк. А вам спасибо!
Пожалуйста! Приходите на курс. Есть бесплатное пробное.
does kirschhoff do frequency unmasking ,like pro q 3?i
So which eq is better... the kirchhoff or the fabfilter pro q-3?
i dont know what flaws you would fine but red rock pultec eq is my go to plugin now...and i dont think i gonna change it anytime soon
Thanks for sharing!
Why do I always feel like Andrews disappointed in me
Can you explain? :) I didn't understand the comment.
Andrew, you rock.... 'Are you serious?!' LOL
Too much hype nowadays, and it's all marketing bs.
SSL curves fore sure.
Subbed
Thanks! Enjoy!
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Y’all out there! Enjoy this in-depth analysis because you won’t find content like this anywhere else. Andrew will find the very last nuance of anything related to audio. Accessing his knowledge is one email away! 🤙🏼
Thanks Diego! Good to hear from my student! See you on Thursday!
Im freaking glad im not the only person who thinks like that about this marketing attack with this plugin. Yes it is a big mistake. This is without doubt encouraging this mind set of tryin and tryin and tryin eq...by eq..by eq and never finish your job. Thats the first thing I noticed when deciding to try it out. I was like ; I deleted tons of plugins because wanted to make my workflow easier and this plugin its taking back to the fuckarounditis syndrome.
Interesting name for the syndrome :)
That's whistleblowing !
They embark super narrow Q's to tame your warnings !
Thanks!
Добрый день. Не могли бы вы сделать видео про обстановку комнаты басовыми или другими ловушками для студийной работы?)
На первом и втором месяце моего курса идет паралельно с основными темами сведения и мастеринга тема Студийный сетап. Я бы за эту тему заплатил бы 100 тыщ долларов если бы был бы моим студентом.
Спасибо За разъяснение)Конечно сейчас фаб фильтр лидирует как не крути)))
Scandalous 🧐...I love being a nerd maaan 🤣
Hi. Check my latest upload. Hope UA-cam gives you a recommendation.
Nice catch! You don't get this quality content watching White Sea play with knobs.
Thanks! My channel is about real audio engineering.
At least the Kirchoff doesn't sound plastic like FF Pro Q3, or so some youtubers claim:)))
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Thanks Mike! See you in the class on Firday!
This is what I loved about your teaching during your course Andrew Sir, your so amazing at explaining the minute nuances that no one explains, Im a proud sound engineer today, thanks for your precious guidance, a client of mine was number one on the jazz i tunes American charts a month back, very proud student of yours. If you have a passion for sound engineering then look no further, Andrew is the perfect mentor you are looking for, He will make you learn how to make n take your own decisions like a true sound engineer should.
Hehey Garfield. Nice to see you. It's been a while.
Hi Sir, yes it has, been busy honing my craft, all thanks to you, for all those precious moments, always keeping an eye out for the goodies you put out
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Здравствуйте, ваш курс еще актуальный?
да. есть группа для русскоговорящих. если для вас еще актуально напишите мне имейл.
Did they get it right with their other modeled curves?
I think it's enough to what I showed in the video :)
@@AndrewZeleno1 Depends. It could be the the case that most curves are like the originals and they only messed up SSL. Or it could be that they made mistakes with many models.
Приветствую 🖖 какие лучше приобрести наушники для занятий.?
То как оборудований комнаты нет , мониторов нет. Я отдаю предпочтение к Beyerdynamic DT 880 (32 Ohm) какой ваш был бы совет ?
Если вам кто-то ответит на такой вопрос названием модели - знайте он полный аматор. Мониторинг так не выбирается. На первом и втором месяце моего курса идет паралельно с основными темами сведения и мастеринга тема Студийный сетап. Я бы за эту тему заплатил бы 100 тыщ долларов если бы был бы моим студентом.
Здравствуйте, хочу записаться на ваш курс. Есть такая возможность?
да. если еще актуально, напишите мне имейл. под видео есть мои контакты.
Similarly SSL Native Channel Strip 2 E curves are not narrow enough to be like the proper SSL E curves. Another thing no one seems to talk about. The E curves on Native Channel Strip 2 even on the narrowest setting are like the same as neutral Q on other E's
They fix it right
Wouldn't it make a bigger difference if you switched it to Analog mode?
The NBA model is definitely my favorite
Basketball is my thing. I was a captain of the school's team and we got the title.
@@AndrewZeleno1 I love basketball too. I've never played at your level but I do enjoy hooping with friends. Great video btw. I love when people call out that type of bs
plugin is ok. Their SSL EQs are strange.
@@AndrewZeleno1 yeah yeah I was referring to that particular option
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That may explain why I didn't like the sound of the emulations 😊
Последнее видео 7 месяцев назад. Вы еще будете снимать для ютуб?
Конечно. Я преподавал. Новое видео в середне декабря.
I did this for a while bunch of EQ's and they were all off really badly.
how does the wiess softube compare to this bad boy?? anyone??
They are very different even from the tone itself. The way it shifts phase etc. Softube is a decent company even though I will show their mistakes in plugins in one of the new videos.
@@AndrewZeleno1 well what eq plugin do you recommend with few mistakes?
comment!
did they update this?
As I stopped being interested in this plugin after I found out these nuances I wouldn't check any updates on it. But I checked it one time in Summer and it wasn't updated.
Thanks. I will not use it. I prefer Fab Filter or Izotop
I bought it recently😢
I tried to return it to Plugin Alliance. They don't refund. Instead they go against special nations not allowing them to buy plugins. And even though I'm a Ukrainian I find it strange that they ban Belorussians for example for Russian invasion. But not banning Americans for many countries invasions. Double standards. So instead of doing decent plugins they work on politics.
Это видео может стать шпаргалкой для тех, кто будет создавать новые eq😂
Это видео для вас, чтоб вы поняли что вам нужен мой курс :) Потьому что он на голову выше всего что есть. Как видите мы даже плагин разобрали
You should design plugins.
18:37 - totaly krejzi sajko XD
haha. Glad somebody noticed my expression!
@@AndrewZeleno1 you made my day 😂😂😂
It's a shame that my previous video didn't get views. It's a real deal video. About a Fader. Check it out.
@@AndrewZeleno1 ok. I'll check today.
here damn buy a new expensive plugin, and it will be even worse than the old one. Andrey, a low bow for such reviews, they save money and time, which is the most expensive! it costs $125!
Hi Andrey! Glad to hear from a former student! Everybody, check his UA-cam channel. He is an amazing composer!
And on top of that, I’ve heard that apparently it uses more CPU than Fabfilter, and people have been having trouble using it on every track. PA is still consistently pricing it around $100 USD minimum without vouchers.
Здравствуйте, у Вас есть курс на русском языке?
Естественно. Пишите наимейл. Он указан в описании и первом приклрепленном коменте
да, есть группа на русском языке.
I'd like to hear what Kirchhoff has to say about this! Deny it probably.
What's the point in what they would say? We see the very proper measuring here. I tried and got the same results.
Who knows. But is it about what they say? It's about the factual curves which I examined in the video. And they are NOT SSLs.
Great information. i will take what i learned from this video but also with the realization that you didn't switch the plugin to linear phase or activate oversampling or any of the other advanced features that may have effected the curve results. Also if in not mistaking the Kirchhoff EQ is only copying the curves and not emulating the analogue circuits so there is no harmonic distortion which would also effect the shape of the curves. In conclusion, I agree with your study for what it is while taking those other things into account as well being sure to use this plugin properly and for the purpose its intended, not for analogue emulations. Thanks for taking the time to educate and teach and bring awareness. I hope everyone else is able take this information, analyze it and apply it properly.
Really? SSL is not linear phase and he didn't engage Linear phase too. Also "Kirchhoff EQ is only copying the curves and not emulating the analogue circuits" the video is about the curves. Don't make excuses for the plugin.
I don't talk about saturation in the video. It's exactly about the curves/ They call it SSL E, SSL G. But those curve not only unmatched to the real SSL EQ. It's even the different type. Watch my explanation about a constant EQ VS Vintage EQ.
@@AndrewZeleno1 But you did not measure the curves in any advanced feature, did you? No, you did not!
How about nachat' oochit' English epta?
Мои английский превосходный. IELTS 9. Я преподаю на английском и никто не жалуются. Кроме русских с комплексом неполноценности. В Канаде все с акцентом и никого это не парит. Кроме тех кто живет в России. Вам же нужно прикинутся что вы не русские и местные. Любой психолог вам скажет это комплекс неполноценности.
i didnt find kirchhoff to be very musical sounding... i went back to sonnox oxford eq
I kind of ok with this EQ. I have like 100 EQ plugins. Everyone has some application. But Kirchhoff EQ SSLs are completely incorrect.
@@AndrewZeleno1 would love it if you took a look at Acustica Audio Sand which is their SSL emulation.... Sounds super in my opinion but you are the SSL dude it would be nice if say something about it
А на русском можно
This plugin is a joke. From the copycat interface to these "analog" features