General Lesley McNair - Unsung Architect of the US Army and his death in Operation Cobra

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  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 2 роки тому +7

    When McNair was first touting the towed anti-tank gun, the bazooka wasn't around, and the recoilless rifle was still a futuristic weapon. There were even guided anti-tank missiles being tried out at the end of the war. Don't underestimate how radically war changed between 1939 and 1945. The FAC (Forward Air Controller) rode in tanks--jeeps were no protection--that was a Pete Quesada innovation, putting aircraft band radios in a lead tank with an experienced pilot to call in close air support. Back in 1939 the US Army Air Corps (the USAAF didn't exist yet) was in the "hell no, we won't go" on close air support. By 1944, success in a shooting war required combined arms and using aviation in close air support. The bazooka was a short-range weapon of limited effectiveness, but even though "can't kill a Tiger" was what the American infantry thought of their anti-tank rocket launcher, German tankers were "they're gonna kill us with their rocket guns!" At the end of the war a rocket from the bazooka was a better tank killer than the 37mm anti-tank gun shell--not a perfect killer, but when there were enough bazookas all firing at the few German tanks, it was enough to ruin a German counterattack.
    Anti-tank weapons of all sorts were far more useful against German bunkers and weapon emplacements--mainly because the Americans were on the offensive. Using lightly armored tank destroyers as assault guns or instead of tanks happened because tank destroyers were available in quantity. Sometimes tanks and tank destroyers were used as self-propelled artillery. Bazookas were frequently used in city fighting to route German snipers or to destroy the ever-present German machine gun bunkers because the bazooka was attached at platoon and squad level and despite the SCR-536 at platoon level, the bazooka was able to respond faster to the bunker barring progress than calling back for a tank or an air strike or a bunch of artillery.
    Besides, in 1939 the 37mm gun was regarded as adequate for anti-tank work even though there were tanks that 37mm shells bounced off--but the 75mm and bigger guns in the anti-tank role were more than a crew of six could manhandle into position and the 37mm could use a jeep (quarter-ton truck) as a prime mover, but the bigger guns might need a 2-1/2-ton truck for mobility and for carrying enough anti-tank shells. Battlefield evolution rendered concepts that were valid at war's beginning counterproductive at the end of the war. Evaluate the Big Picture when looking at the tank destroyer command. One weapon system slated for the tank destroyer command was the M8 armored car with its "powerful" 37mm cannon--by the time it was on the front in large numbers, the 37mm gun was all but useless against tanks--still quite capable of taking out enemy halftracks and armored cars and emplaced anti-tank guns within the 37mm gun's range (500 yards, possibly 1000 yards if the target could be located visually at that distance).
    archive.org/details/Infantry_Weapons_and_Thier_Effects

  • @theshaggyhistorian845
    @theshaggyhistorian845 2 роки тому +2

    Spot on comment, @WW2TV. McNair wasn't out cheerleading for a particular branch, materiel solution, or method, but was concerned with solid analysis to make the best decisions possible.

  • @militarymarch3006
    @militarymarch3006 2 роки тому +3

    His belief in streamlined Tables of Organization (to include the triangular division) and fighting against "empire building" by unit commanders is also spot on; the U.S. Army still hasn't learned THAT lesson!

    • @jephrokimbo9050
      @jephrokimbo9050 Рік тому

      so glad that I am NOT the only one who has continued to say this especially after 27.5+ years of service.

  • @danielhammersley2869
    @danielhammersley2869 2 роки тому +4

    Superb comeback after 2-weeks, Woody! LTC Calhoun is a gem, and a must return guest of the highest caliber!

  • @georgecooksey8216
    @georgecooksey8216 2 місяці тому

    Excellent discussion. Thanks to Paul and to Lt. Col. Calhoun for his service and this fine presentation.

  • @davidlavigne207
    @davidlavigne207 2 роки тому +2

    I am a bit behind the schedule, but this was a great introduction into the life of a true soldier and an unappreciated officer. I liked the fact that Mark brings out how this man quietly did the work in researching and documenting the facts of how he came to his conclusions and opinions. One thing I noticed was that he also didn't back down from views that were controversial at the time. His was an example of what is called moral courage-an important trait for a leader to have. The fact that General Marshall thought well of him speaks for itself, as he was not one to suffer fools well.
    Outstanding program!

  • @reiniergroeneveld7801
    @reiniergroeneveld7801 2 роки тому +9

    Very interesting discussion on McNair. Certainly deserves a follow up show!

  • @dave3156
    @dave3156 2 роки тому +9

    Excellent program to re-start WW2TV! Very impressed with Gen McNair. If he designed our mobilization plans, he did a helluva job! Fighting in two theaters with dramatically different equipment requirements speaks to the plan he developed. Would really like to have LTC Calhoun on again regarding armor development since Dad was a WWII tanker. Thanks to LTC Calhoun for a great presentation. Paul great job on lining him up for the channel!!!!

  • @patm8622
    @patm8622 2 роки тому +11

    Yet again #WW2TV hits the spot. Great show highlighting the career and accomplishments of a man few will have heard of. General McNair strikes me as someone who is seriously underrated in a similar way to General Hobart of " Hobart's funnies " fame. #WW2

  • @militarymarch3006
    @militarymarch3006 2 роки тому +2

    As an armor officer (ret), I'll express the opinion that artillery officers are some of the brightest, brilliant innovators in the Army.

    • @jephrokimbo9050
      @jephrokimbo9050 Рік тому

      Thank You Sir! Was an Artillery Officer myself who served 27.5+ years of service in the Active Duty component, the Reserves and finished out in the Army National Guard. Had the privilege and Honor of working with infantry, armor, aviation, air defense, engineer and military police units.

  • @scottgrimwood8868
    @scottgrimwood8868 2 роки тому +7

    What an amazing way to restart WW2TV after a two week break! LTC Calhoun gave an incredible presentation on General Leslie McNair. I learned so much today about a man that gave so much to the US Army and his country.

  • @alandean3472
    @alandean3472 2 роки тому +3

    Great to have WW2TV back and a very interesting and detailed episode !

  • @1089maul
    @1089maul 2 роки тому +5

    Paul/Mark, As I said in the side bar, fantastic presentation! I had never heard of General McNair but feel now that I almost know him. Very interesting subject! Regards, Bob

    • @WW2TV
      @WW2TV  2 роки тому

      Many thanks!

  • @guypenrose5477
    @guypenrose5477 2 роки тому +2

    Another great program and what a great guest. Really enjoyed this.

  • @stevej8005
    @stevej8005 2 роки тому +1

    Fascinating show about McNair, a great presentation as I knew so little about him. The extra discussions and sidebar comments about the use (or ill-advised misuse) of heavy bombers for close air support were a real bonus.

  • @stephencook41
    @stephencook41 2 роки тому +1

    Just caught up with this Woody and was superb! Really impressive stuff this. Learnt so, so much.

  • @KevinJones-yh2jb
    @KevinJones-yh2jb 2 роки тому +1

    Wow what an in-depth presentation from Mark, such an eye opener for me someone I had never heard of, top notch thanks Paul and Mark

  • @staxmarshall
    @staxmarshall 2 роки тому +3

    I found it interesting at 41:00 when Mark described the effect of an artillery technique the Americans began to utilize in North Africa that he referred to as "mass adjustable fire", which made the Germans think they had been subjected to "automatic artillery".
    Right now, I am nearing the end of having read back to back, "Fire and Fortitude" and "Island Infernos", the first two volumes from the unfinished trilogy by John C. McManus on the U.S. Army in the Pacific. I can't place where, but I think I recall an instance mentioned of the Japanese thinking the Americans had used "automatic artillery" against them due to the specialized concentration of fire.

    • @bobleicht5295
      @bobleicht5295 2 роки тому +1

      Have just finished the Bougainville campaign in ‘Island Infernos’ and saw the same remark by a POW. The amount of FA, mortar, air, and naval ordnance delivered by US forces is almost impossible to believe.

    • @staxmarshall
      @staxmarshall 2 роки тому

      @@bobleicht5295 Yes, that helped me find it. Chapter 3 "Consolidation". Page 116 in my copy of the book.
      "..The artillery was so suffocating that some Japanese soldiers ascribed to it almost mythical qualities. One captured diary revealed the belief on the part of its author - common among Axis soldiers in all theaters - that the Americans possessed automatic artillery.."

  • @amnucc
    @amnucc 2 роки тому +1

    Darn having to go back to the office, I'm missing the live shows.
    I'd heard of McNair, but never knew he had such an outsized impact on the US Army war effort.
    I hate missing the chance to ask questions and chat with friends.

  • @woodylee9780
    @woodylee9780 2 роки тому +5

    Great show guys! I learned so much about McNair in this presentation.

    • @WW2TV
      @WW2TV  2 роки тому

      Our pleasure!

  • @jimwatts5192
    @jimwatts5192 2 роки тому +2

    Howdy folks. Dr Calhoun’s outstanding lecture on Gen McNair is one of the best shows ever on WW2TV. Incredible info and insights in to an unsung hero known for his untimely death. McNair needs more study. The 9th USAAF and the 2nd Tac need more love.

  • @michaeldepaul7676
    @michaeldepaul7676 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting presentation. Thank you.

  • @eatenvik
    @eatenvik 2 місяці тому

    Great episode, allot of gems on this youtube channel

  • @Chiller01
    @Chiller01 2 роки тому +2

    Great presentation. I was surprised actually at the small number of friendly fire casualties during the bombardment as well. I’ve heard McNair’s name related to tank development but his career is extraordinarily broad.

  • @TheVigilant109
    @TheVigilant109 2 роки тому +1

    Wonderful presentation. Thank you. I learned a lot with this presentation. Look forward to hearing more from Mark.

  • @jimwatts914
    @jimwatts914 6 місяців тому

    Howdy folks! Impressive presentation on an often neglected US general. This is the type of show that has made the legend of WW2TV. Great work Colonel and Woody too.

  • @jeremyphillips6373
    @jeremyphillips6373 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent presentation. This challenged my preconceived opinion of General McNair.

  • @Bob_Betker
    @Bob_Betker 2 роки тому +1

    Just had a chance to watch the video, I found it extremely interesting. I definitely would like to see a video discussing McNair's time as CG, Army Ground Forces.

  • @boofather
    @boofather 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent thanks

  • @philbosworth3789
    @philbosworth3789 2 роки тому +2

    A great presentation form Mark. I never knew McNair was involved with so many sectors of the military; I thought he was just the TD & Armour guy. Another presentation from Mark covering McNair's in that side of things would be great.

  • @bobleicht5295
    @bobleicht5295 2 роки тому +2

    ‘SAMS’ is the US Army’s School of Advanced Military Studies, an intensive year of study after an officer’s tour at the Command and Staff College. As LTC Calhoun noted, he and his classmates would be utilized as operational planners on high level staffs upon graduation. The USAF has created a similar program for its Airmen.

  • @morganhale3434
    @morganhale3434 2 роки тому +3

    Another great topic and show. Bravo!!! I read about the development of US Army doctrine between the wars and the familiar names show up. Gen McNair sounds familiar to me but nothing really special comes to mind. I was just fascinated by the whole topic considering the constraints on the US military that only the British Commonwealth and Imperial Japan could truly understand. Only the Battle of Britain was a defensive action for Britain. Every other campaign was an expeditionary force or an offensive action by sea.

  • @davidk7324
    @davidk7324 2 роки тому

    Kudos to all, this was a fantastic show. I learned a great deal.

  • @jonrettich-ff4gj
    @jonrettich-ff4gj Рік тому

    Would wish to know more about his personality. Brilliant and recognized but enigmatic as a person. Thank you so much I always wanted to know more about him

  • @lisajuliettekatnic9149
    @lisajuliettekatnic9149 Рік тому

    Incredible to learn the archivist felt the map w McNair’s blood stains was an enormous treasure to discover!

  • @815thengineers8
    @815thengineers8 2 роки тому +4

    Has to exact location of LTG McNair's death ever been determined. I have searched for years and it has been a wild goose chase. Thanks

    • @WW2TV
      @WW2TV  2 роки тому +1

      Exact is the sense of within a few hundred yards, but not precise - no

    • @tommietyrrell8143
      @tommietyrrell8143 Рік тому

      Where is the location of mcnairs death?

    • @815thengineers8
      @815thengineers8 7 місяців тому

      Thanks. I found a location alleged to be the site...it's on the D77 at a large farm just south of the D446E3. @@WW2TV

  • @gmdyt1
    @gmdyt1 5 місяців тому

    The logistics situation in the West of Normandy was worse than around Caen for the Germans. It is an underrated part of the story of the German collapse after Cobra.

  • @kegan51
    @kegan51 2 роки тому +1

    This is excellent, more Thomas Hollcombe, Ellis, Simpson, Hodges, Dempsey and O'Conner. A longshot Maj General Hoffmeister who went from Maj. to Maj. General led 5th. CAD.

  • @michaelmulligan0
    @michaelmulligan0 Рік тому

    I had only heard his named mentioned a couple of times (I think by “The Chieftain”) but wow!
    The type of officer all should aspire to be

  • @thomasharrison4554
    @thomasharrison4554 2 роки тому +1

    Like the “GREEN “Book collection of the U.S. Army in WWII on his bookshelf behind him.

  • @usg-647
    @usg-647 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you, Col. Calhoun - great research, presentation & great discussion! Amidst the war hero types and front line commanders, the U.S. military had so many unsung leaders in logistics, training, procurement, converting the U.S. into a world power in the space of a few years. George Marshall, Gen. McNair, also William Leahy.

  • @jonrettich-ff4gj
    @jonrettich-ff4gj 9 місяців тому

    I suspect “dehorning” a rhino tank not all that easy and I don’t see the “horns” as a huge impediment and some could come in handy in other situations, so logical to leave them be and use repair facilities in a more useful immediate way. Always informative and fascinating. As usual a fine presentation stimulates thought. Thank you

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 2 роки тому

    Ken Annakin's "Battle of the Bulge" had one character say "I have a bad feeling about his" long before Star Wars. George Lucas is still a Ken Annakin fan--that's where Annakin Skywalker's first name originated.

  • @ME-xh7zp
    @ME-xh7zp Рік тому

    Someone probably posted already; but McNair report was frequently referenced at ACTS

  • @kenmader2548
    @kenmader2548 2 роки тому +2

    That book. Field guns in France is available on a maz on

  • @paulcalhoun6339
    @paulcalhoun6339 Рік тому

    What a great last name!

  • @johnspurrell1200
    @johnspurrell1200 2 роки тому +1

    Was there ever any opportunity for interservice exchange of information? I wonder what might have developed had a Navy gunnery expert like Lee, been able to spend a week or two with Army Artillery, exchange some observations that might and probably will result in new or different tactics, technques and exercises that probably b

    • @johnspurrell1200
      @johnspurrell1200 2 роки тому

      Could Help both services.?

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 роки тому

      The answer is yes that the services did and indeed still do regularly pass people back and forth for exchange of views on subjects, but the influence is limited to exchanging information that may or may not be used by the other service's own people. The Army wouldn't hire someone like Lee to "educate the Army on how to do Artillery," but someone like Lee could offer his thoughts to Army people, then Army people might use those thoughts to develop their own ideas and later use those ideas for the Army. Thus, the Navy man is only offering information, food for thought, to the Army, but it is the Army guys themselves who create new doctrines or ideas on their own.

  • @michaelmulligan0
    @michaelmulligan0 Рік тому

    Rhino is that the hedge cutter on the front of the tanks?

    • @WW2TV
      @WW2TV  Рік тому +1

      Yes it is

  • @michaelmulligan0
    @michaelmulligan0 Рік тому

    Reference reports by non biased people
    Militaries still to this day suffer this problem