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I know this video is almost two years old but those are the Mordian Iron GUard, not the Preatorians. Please report to your nearest Commissar and bring exact change for the bolter round. ;)
In my local gw store they hold a get together every month where you can play or paint and we have only 1 guard player from what I know and I have seen his guard take on new chaos knights and chaos marines with little to no casualties. The hammer of the emperor rule for guard is somehow keeping up with 9th edition and I love how lore accurate that is for the guard being so hardy and full of tricks that they can out shoot any army.
Guard player here there’s basically only 1 build that’s competitive and it’s mech guard. So lots of tanks with some infantry… hopefully the new codex makes more units viable lol. I’m proud of my fellow guard commander keep it up!! 👏
What’s the channel? Mordian Glory? He ran meme armies in tournaments and 300 conscripts did surprisingly well. About as well as nothing but Leman Russ tanks did. Around 50% win rate on both.
As a competitive guard player, as laughable as that is, guard are decent. their shooting on paper is incredible you can insta kill knights with one tank in one shot. Bit in reality there so swingy. How many shots do i get? Roll a dice mostlikely going to get half, hitting with half the dice as BS4+ army wide, damage is a dice roll D6 or d3. You find in your shooting phase you either do amazingly or just fail to kill anything. If guard some more reliable ways to do flat damage and hit better then it would be way better
I play guard in Tournments. Notice I didn’t say I played Guard competitivly. I’ve been in 5 RTT/GT this year and have one last one for this year in 3weeks. It’s a difficult slog.
Showed Mordians when you were talking about Praetorians 😮😂 Forgivable since they were just a head swap after the display “battle at big toof river”. Loved the video, so much nostalgia, keep it up.
Came here to say this. The Praetorians were created for the Massacre at Big Toof River, and were a limited release (I was there when it happened!). They were a pith-helmeted swap of the Mordian Iron Guard, which was the formal dress Imperial Guard regiment!
Love my Praetorians was lucky enough to be in the hobby during the release. Can you remember the WD battle report with the farm. Using Ratskins as militia. Good old days :)
My complaint about Space Marines always getting the spotlight is that it creates a positive feedback loop. Space Marines get the most consistent updates and the coolest new toys first. So they get the cool toy, people buy it, and they make more. The rest of the armies get left behind with less players, so they get less toys, less players, less toys, less players, less toys, less players, less toys. Meanwhile even I, an Ork player, owns a space marine army because I wanted something new and shiny
But Marines also usually get the worst codices and if their codex is good, then only for a little while. The few very special chapters, like my beloved SW, sometimes have it a little better than the generic, but ultimately share the same fate. The Marine codex is absolute shit thanks to the power creep and not updated 8th ED supplements and is at a crushing 31% winrate with some chapters, like Imperial Fists, in the twentiees. A saying from a Space Wolf Wolf Guard in a novel to an Ultramarine Cpt. after they dueled each other fits well here: "You are all shiny, have all those new and fancy stuff, all those new toys, but you do not know how to fight. You are pathetic. So hush now, go back to your time frozen father and keep polishing your armour and medals."
I play craftworld and we got Dark Reapers and their phoenix lord as a new shiny toy. Happens to be (arguably) the worst unit in the codex. And the phoenix lord Maugen ra is low on the rankings between pheonix lords aswell :S
Space marines are the mascots of GW right now. GW also knows that the marines are one of the primary reasons people get into 40k to begin with. After all, what’s the first thing you think about if you think about 40k
I actually love the original sentinel for one reason, it was designed by Michael Perry! What an inspiration to see how far HE has come in a couple decades. It's so easy to forget that anyone is going to be a little clumsy at first, but practice will even you out
its actually smart and of its time, those little 70's egg cars like the BMW Isetta and MS K200 were considered a precursor of what futuristic cars would be, hes basically got one of those and put it on some pretty cool robot legs for the time, Respect! i really like it too, just doesnt fit todays aesthetic
Glad to see you giving Guard some love, Unsure if just being baited, but I can't help but take it. Those were Mordian Iron Guard not Praetorian Guard sculpts. Which you coincidentally forgot to include. But more importantly, Guard for me have always been one of the most open factions to make into your own. They are a kitbashers dream army.
I'm actually overjoyed they didn't touch my Catachan with the new models. Those cadians are going to be $55 for a 10 squad where as the catachans are still one of the most affordable units in the store. While I like the 3d sculpts out there, I feel like those sly Stallone guardsmen have a hilarious charm
Unlikely sadly. Cadians going to be the guard poster boys and girls for a while I expect. Your only real hope is probably fw now that plastic kreig exist.
My first 40.000 army was Imperial Guard - consisting of a combination of Shocktroops of Cadia and Tallarn Desert Raiders ;) And oh my... what a journey this was in the last 26 years 😃
Damn, being called old because I remember the various regiment kits hit me in the ouchies. My favourite regiment were the Forge World Elysian Drop Troopers, who went back to that Starship Troopers aesthetic. Something about air cav just made me tingle in places. Shame I never collected them, if I was to do some guard I would look at seeing about getting some of the original models and maybe filling them out with 3rd party stuff.
Bro, I remember knowing the Elysians were being sold years ago when I didn't get into the hobby. Now when I choose to start my Guard army I found out they're not in production anymore. 😔 Absolute shame they dropped the other Regiment lines to favor the Cadians more.
I still believe that they could do most of the regiments using two different sets of bodies (one with coat, one with trousers) and upgrade sprues with heads and arms. It is still more than what space marines need, but it could work
Gw could have solved some of the problems if they had taken a similar approach as they did with the space marines with the upgrade sprues. Sell one kit per unit, with a generic uniform as the standard with cadian included in the box and then a series of small sprues sold to change the heads, shoulders etc to different regiments, giving them extra bits to give them heraldry for the flashier regiments. If plastic wasn't viable, fw resin could have been used like they do now for horus heresy. It would not have pleased everyone of course, but it would make it viable for gw.
I don't play 40K but If I did I'd play the guard, no question about it. The Guard are my favourite 40K faction and I think a big part of that is exactly what you said, the charm and the humour. Dawn of War also further exposed me to the units they had on offer and I quickly fell in love with their adherence to mass production and standard issue units and equipment. Gotta love that the commanders needing a whole retinue of guards to match the other factions HQ's, its a lovely touch that helps immerse you into the ideology of the guard.
As a fan of Astra Militarum I completely agree. I've long wanted to field a full army of Mordian Iron Guard. I think it would be easy to create upgrade spues of heads and arms like you said. It would be easy to work it into the lore too. The cadian style uniforms were so durable it became the galactic standard, but units like the mordians and firstborn chose to maintain their distinctive uniform colors and headgear. Further, they need to make a second tempestus scions kit. I tried making an army of them but they're rather boring with only five different poses
I really, really hope that Catachans will receive new kits, too. The infantry squad is from the early 90s and got a minor updated in the late 90s. Somewhere between 2001 and 2003 the Command Squad and Heavy Weapon Team got their plastic release, too. And they discontinued selling all the metal miniatures except the characters. Furthermore they released the coolest and best upgrade kit for tanks, the Catachan one. It had tons of awesome and great stuff to really let any Guard vehicle look like a Catachan one. Furthermore FW released a brass sprue with jungle plants (it was hellish to work with, but cool). Unfortunately the last two were discontinued in 2006 and they sold what was left. If someone really deserves some love and treatment, its the Catachans. Those deeply loyal Rambos are waiting for decades now to get a new and great miniatures and even those that were never made, but are part of the lore. Like the Catachan Devils or the Catachan lizard cavallry (huge and damn scary four to 6 footed lizard like creatures, clad in armour, with several rows of rather sharp teath, extremly dangerous claws etc. Such a creature is even for a Space Marine a heavy match). And GW released Marbo, then Seargent Ripper and lastly the Catachan Colonel (inspred btw by a well know Halo character), are all fantastic casts and really show what GW could do with them. So let's hope, by the Emporer, that GW will do it!
@@helotaxi Yes they came out together with the release of the 3rd edition 1998. However the squad already existed, just mostly in parts and metal miniatures. In early 2000s they released the Command Squad and Heavy Weapons team in plastic, too.
Other than what the others said about the Mordian/Pretorian thing, excellent vid. One addition: According to comments on some of the releases and the big live stream, they have been hinting that alternative regiment upgrade sprues will be a thing, like the 30k ones for the Space Marines.
Yeah, sorta. But less Forge World, and less scouring the internet for out of print models (unless you indulge personal preference). So that may balance out. Not a perfect solution, but as Jay says, they are at least trying.
The guard have been a mainstay of my collection since the release of the Praetorians (for which I have a company) and thanks to the second hand market I have figures that go back to the original Imperial Army range. The first plastic guard (and the accompanying metal bodies with plastic arms and weapons) were just being released when I first began playing 40k.
My first miniatures I bought were the rogue trader plastic imperial guard. Still have them and I pulled one out the other day to give it a refresh paint job, gave me a lot of nostalgic memories.
I am one of the few Imperial Guard players with a full metal army (Vostroyan). Ever since 6th edition, it was downhill for everything that wasn’t Cadian. Nowadays I play the Vostroyans as Imperial Army in Warhammer 30K.
I've also got a lot of Vostroyans, sold a few hundred Cadians to fund that project. The Crusade also includes another few hundred infantry from 3 other regiments and I'm hoping for something good with this new book
@@bradwad that's fair enough, that was always the weakness of the pewter lines. But imagine how unfair it would be to cadia if those pewter lines all got full plastic support? They needed to curb us somehow haha
2:37 - 2003* They came out just after the Eye of Terror campaign with the new 3.5 Guard book just before 4th edition. 7:56 - Not the Praetorians, They're the Mordian Iron Guard.
I'm fortunate enough to have one of the top 25 Imperial Guard players (globally, according to ITC tournament rankings) play tournaments in my local scene. He's a really cool guy and manages to do consistently well with something like 120 Whiteshields Conscripts, a mountain of out-of-line-of-site shooting, and a good 5 or 6 Leeman Russ tanks in various configurations, and I've gained quite a few insights into the Guard through conversation and competition. They're not a bad army, right now. Really. Auto-wounding on 6s to hit with 240+ lasgun shots is not nothing. Their biggest problem really, truly is that GW may not hate them, but they don't care enough about them to treat them right. They're not a showpiece army. Space Marines (loyalist or chaos) are sort of the poster boys of the showpiece army; they get the first codex every time, they get all sorts of new models, they get the attention to make them less same-y from version to version, all that. Tau, to a certain extent, are a showpiece army; who can deny that an army of giant robots and mech suits on the tabletop is cool? But Guard? Guard are a morass of infantry and a wall of tanks, and even their cool things are just... Bland compared to everyone else's. For GW to fix the Imperial Guard, they need to reinvent their identity. They need to become a showpiece army to get the love, and they need to get the love to become a showpiece army. Also, I laughed way too hard at "The Egg".
As an old time ex-guard player (ditched them for Custodes at the beginning of 8th Edition, as they lost all their flavour) I have to say: New guard players do not realize how LUCKY they are. Think about it this way: Back in 2nd Edition when these Guard regiments came out, the sample 1500 point IG list in the Codex contained the following: Cadian HQ squad (Officer, 2 Meltaguns, Missile Launcher Team, Psyker, Chimera for 423 points), Cadian IG Squad (Flamer and Heavy Bolter), Cadian Heavy Weapons squad (2 Autocannons and Heavy Bolter), 5 Ratling Snipers, Leman Russ, Catachan Command squad (Officer, Lascannon, Heavy Bolter, Psyker), Catachan IG Squad (Plasma Gun, Missile Launcher), 5 Rough Riders. That is 41 METAL miniatures, 2 Tanks, 5 Cavalry and 6 wheeled metal heavy Weapons. But when 3rd Edition was released in 1998 the only Plastic kit we had was: none. Catachans came Later in 1998-2000. And your average IG army of 1500 points looked like: HQ Squad of 5 for the mandatory HQ (About 150 points including the Missile Launcher and Meltaguns) It could bring up to 5 Heavy weapon Squads as part of it's platoon (About 100 points for 2 Autocannons and a Heavy Bolter). 2 Infantry Platoons of at least 25 figures: An 5 men Command Squad and 2 Infantry Squads. Will cost you 155 points without upgrades, or 222 points with (2 Plasma + Missile Launcher and 2 times Flamer+Missile Launcher). But realistically you would want at least 3 Platoons of 3 Infantry Squads each. So realistically you are now lugging around about 120 metal figures, 14 wheeled metal heavy weapons and your 2 Tanks. So playing Guard just became a huge workout. Yes, it was less painful with the Catachan and Cadian plastic kits, but older players did not have that many squads lying around, as they never needed them for 2nd Edition...
It would be very easy to make kits that built multiple regiments. Cadian uniforms before they added the knee pads were basically the same as Mordian uniforms. Use the same bodies with an armor plate you can attach to the front. Have Talaran heads with shawls that hand over the top of the torso. Krieg, Steel Legion, and Valhalla could all be in one box with multiple head sets and some odd bits. Vostroyan are a little harder, but you could give them their own kit and throw in bits for some new as yet unexplored regiments that build off of similarly medieval armor. Catachans need a new kit, you could include bits for a more generic "scout infantry look" with optional cloaks, and then you just need a head swap and a dagger pin for the Ghosts. 4 kits is a lot, but the Guard infantry kits do a lot of duty, it's one kit that represents multiple units, and this system would give players 12 different options. I've been saying this since at least 6th edition, and GW's models have only been getting better over time. They could do it, but it's only going to get harder as they introduce more units, like the field batteries, that have Cadians as the only option.
I think other regiments will get full ranges over time. Cadia survived because they were the best selling of the old regiments and because they had a plastic range. If you'd have asked 12 months ago which is more likely that we get some new guard regiments or an entire army range of Squats I think most people would have said the guard... so who knows what can happen? I mean they have brought back Attilan Rough Riders and a unit of DKoK in plastic which at one point looked pretty inconceivable. In the wider picture we got a complete refresh of Horus Heresy, Sisters of Battle got a complete army, Ad Mech got a complete army, we have knights of both types and by next year we will have 3 of the 4 main Chaos god affiliated legions with unique units and Primarchs so GW is clearly not that afraid of trying stuff. These are things that people would have said will never happen. Even stuff like different army books for smaller SM Chapters and the Custodes were at one time considered impossible.
It's a shame they discontinued the other guard regiments mini production. I've been using bolt action soviet winter infantry models for my Valhallan Regiment. It works as a proxy for the scale. All you need are lasguns.
I was at my local game store playing a game of AoS with my dad and there was a full chaos knight centered army against guard. The guard absolutely GLOBALLED the chaos within two battle rounds
I love the Imperial Guard, but they do tend to get wrecked. Back in 2nd edition you could have entire Platoons of Rough Riders, or Heavy Weapon Squads, every squad could take special Veteran Skill that no other army could take, and every Platoon or Army Command Squad would allow you an off-board artillery barrage every turn. 3rd edition nerfed them pretty hard with the new Force Organization chart putting tight limits like removing Rough Rider Platoons as an options, and putting Ogryn, Ratling, and Stormtrooper squads(not platoons) in the 0-3 elite slots for your whole army. I remember 3.5 Imperial Guard got doctrines and new flyers. Imperial Guard with Vendetta gunships, and either free Infilitration or a 4+ armor Save, Deep Strike for your whole army was amazing. Aside from that brief period of 3.5 army doctrines as a whole the Guard didnt change too much between 3-7th editions. Command Squads gained special orders, a lot of new tank variants came out, but no new strategies besides Swarms and Tanks. It actually kind of ruined the Guard as they lost all of the diversity, like what happened to the 3.5 feral world imperial guardsmen with swords and laspistols(Kanak Skull Takers), the airborne regiments(Elysian Drop Troops), Carapace Guardsmen(Vostrayan Firstborn), or the Infilitrator armies(Tanith First and Only)? I heard 9th-10th edition actually nerfed the Imperial Guard vehicles, while also buffing the whole Tau army.
The Guard do need a little more flavour. The Cadians (current scupt) were generic and should have had some alternative sprues to turn them into different styles. A long winter coat, a scarfed head, lighter or heavier armour, bare arms, slightly different lasguns, etc. Just something to do different than a StarShip trooper knockoff
As a new player thanks to the new Kill Team, I have started a collection of Imperial Guard. I find the models to be pretty cool and I enjoy building and painting them.
How dare you forget about the Tanith First and Only sir! You could get them once upon a time too as normal guardsmen. Same with missing the Mordians. :D However you're very right, the other regiments really deserve more attention from GW as ranges.
really appreciate letting us know where to get other model ranges to fill in for the imperial guard. and yes I'm planning on collecting them. for the same reasons you gave
I could see “upgrade sprue” of regiments, but there’s no way they’re ever going back to full blown regiments of all kinds. They’ve settled in the Cadia style and will stick to it, long after that world is extinguished (oh wait….) I just think of it as a rebranding that all the regiments get issued the same gear these days.
I have 3x of those 'Eggs' and back then I was really eggcited about them. I half-heartedly collected Guard in those Rogue Trader days, the first plastic guard etc but stopped due to my historic gaming enthusiasm (and lack of funds, GW has always been pricey) About 2006 I was hooked by those new plastic Cadians, and the metal command figures I still think are some of GWs finest designs. Thanks to Ebay and the numerous independent sellers I was able to go bananas collecting Cadians for a few years culminating in a huge collection of figures (including 3x Baneblades and 1x Shadowsword). I still prefer older figures (the 'Heroic Scale' as they are called) to the new designs (Although the new models are excellent I must say).
in december i will do a catachan/victoria miniatures "island of doctor moreau" kill team build and i think i will record it for the first time you are such an inspiration!! keep on rocking
Love the guard. If GW brings back the other regiments or even their metal sculpts I’d probably try and get my hands on them to have every regiment of the guard. And if not I’ll find them elsewhere. Plus who knows rumours say krieg will get their range refresh in plastic in 10th edition that might mean a range refresh for each regiment each edition. Maybe we will get catch and next? Would be really cool to have a Catachan vs Tyranids in a Kill Team in the jungle with the Catachan having a range refresh. Like the kasarkin did. Maybe they will also get their elites the Catachan devils like the cadian kasarkin and the krieg grenadiers. I would very much like that for each regiment hat comes back and for all of them and more to come like Jopall, Mordant Acid Dogs, etc. But it is but a dream a dream of a hopeful guardsman player.
The guard is comming back. A lot of people are hating but man. Astra militarum is top dawg right now. Y’all see that new Scion kill team. For the emperor!!!!
Imperial Guard was my first faction and is still my main faction! They are definitely unwieldy in terms of the regiments. But even though I have to downsize the amount of Cadian and Catachan I own, and truly start painting my guard, I will rep them forever! The IG do work and I have had some awesome moments of that!
I miss Pete Haines! He wrote both the 3rd edition Guard Codex and the 3rd Edition Chaos Space Marine codex and both are better than anything they've put out since...Customizable with every unit being a viable option!
The perks with the guard like space marines is is that you can paint any colour scheme. You just lose out on the fun different details. Maybe some add on packs so yes can kit bash cadians would work? I have some lovely old school iron guard abd desert raiders that I have stripped so to enjoy repainting as a grown up. I’m going to go maaaaaaad with speed paints
I've had a massive Valhallan army for a long time. I added to it a few years ago when GW did their made to order Valhallans. One of my favorite armies and it looks awesome on the table.
Since they just released a sneak peek of the return of the Attilan Rough Riders, I believe they are going to slowly re-release these regiments as plastic kits. I also read that they were bringing back the build your own regiment rules that were in 3rd edition.
I played guard in 2nd edition. Used to win alot in the shop games against other people as no-one knew how to fight them as everyone moved on from Space marines as a first army to Eldar or Chaos.
The plastic Sentinel kit came out when the plastic Cadians and Catachans were released in 3rd ed (early 2000s). I have a sealed box of 20 Cadians dated 2003 in my collection of shame. The armored version with lascannon (metal upgrade bits) were part of the Armageddon Steel Legion release around 2004.
I remember getting my mars pattern sentinels in a multipack without any foot sloggers. I don't remember a plastic Armageddon release in the early 2000s while i was still playing
Goodness you make me feel old. My Guard army has one of the early 'egg' sentinals, a ton of talarn and the original metal cadians plus a squad or two of the first storm troopers and rough riders. Squad valhallans too.
I made an effort to collect guard and space Marines in the 90s. I loved all the models but wasn't aware back then that you were encouraged to have only one type of guard to fill out the ranks as it were. The pith helmeted Praetorian is a favorite (but to convert now would cost a fortune). I wish there was a way to create a cool regiment like you can with creating chapters of space Marines.
I like the idea of instead of making a billion regiments, do "template" kits. All your trench coat regiments with their special gear with some trench coat bodies to make DKOK, Vostroyans, and Vallhallans, and short coats for regiments like the tallarn and and steel legion, maybe even a 'dress coat' style infanytry for mordian-style armies. Add in a head upgrade sprue for maccabian jannisaries for your cadian base sporue, and a kit for catachans and penal legion regiments, and you're well on your way to have a flavorful range of regiments without having to have 30 different kits for each specific special regiment, just 3-5ish.
My second army was/is the Imperial Guard. All Cadians with that one Octarius DKOK squad and a hidden squad of Brood Brothers. This new refresh has me setting aside the Blood Angels for the first time since the Devastation of Baal. Im cautiously optimistic but rough riders makes me hopeful for some flavour
I liked the upgrade sprue, I wish they extended the kreig range and refreshed the catachan, just the 10 man squad needed changing. The command squad and heavy weapons still hold up
I have been a loyalist Guard since I started in 1996 The biggest problem with Imperial Guard is it is expensive to collect 2000 pts of every variation / foot , mech , tank or Hy-brid to future proof yourself from rules changes . 9th started out as , then progressed : 1) 300+ foot , mortar pits , 9 Bullgryn and full pay load Manticores 2) 300+ foot , mortar pits , 2x5 Crusaders and full pay load Manticores 3) 200 + foot with a Marauder Destroyer / Bomber 4) tank , mech and Manticores with 3 tank aces 5) Scions with 5 Taurox Primes 6) Hy-brid / 3 tank aces Demolishers , mortar , x100 troops , Basilisks 7) 300+ foot , mortar pits , white shields , full pay load Basilisks 8) pure Hybrid ==> Demolishers , mortar pits , x100 troops , Basilisks 9) Hy-brid with Bane blade variant 10 ) Codex time
Once again, I'm amazed at the amount of research work this little video must've take ! Hell, just the historical facts behind the IG must represent a HUGE chunk of time ! Very impressive Jay ! And thanks again for sharing this passion with epidemic passion and love
Mordian Guard infantry kit with optional epaulettes would go a long way and allow for some head swaps to make Praetorians and plenty of other Regiments just like that.
I think if games workshop is going to bring back any of the old regiments with an upgraded kit I would prefer the Elysian drop troopers. A squad of jetpack equipped to drop troops it's going to be super useful regardless of what your strategy is with the guard.
Vostroyans and Steel Legion were not part of the 94 release. Pretorans came in 97 (from the Battle of Big toof River). Steel Legion came in 2000 with the Armageddon campaign and Vostroyans came with 4th edition (post 2004)
I always like the normal groud pounder types more than ulta elites. Havent really played proper since 4th but i started in 3rd ed with mix of catachan plastics with a some metal. ive collected a few other smaller force just for fun but never played them. my second biggest 40k army is orks which i only started on in the last few years. Guard are my faves though. Punching daemon princes and avatars in the scrote with a powerfist wielding colonel was always highly satisfying. not to mention the leman russ variants. couple of minor corrections. like others have mentioned, you mixed up mordian and praetorian. next came the steel legion with the armageddon campaign , then last metal kit was the vostroyans which i think came out with cities of death. Also , Leman Russ was a thing!, Just not as he is now. Check page 27 of your rogue trader book. like the rest of the marines he got a lore hefty reboot with 2nd ed.
All the Imperial guard need is the ability to spawn more reinforcements for destroyed infantry units to show the endless stream of meat for the grinder, it doesn't need a million special rules, basic orders are fine.
I absolutely love the guard and use them for everything 40k, kill team, it doesn’t matter. And it’s because of this quote right here. For that weak sack of flesh that you so gleefully mock is no super soldier, no immortal warrior, no creature cursed by chaos like you. He is a man, an imperial guardsmen drawn from some forgotten corner of the Imperium to fight for his species and for the safety of the people he loves. He is a factory worker, a farmer, a storekeeper, a father, a brother, a son, a mere man. And against creatures like you, teeming and numberless, powered by the very will of thirsting gods......... He holds the line. He has held the line for ten thousand Years.
The only thing that keeps me from even thinking of playing guard is the regiment I would want to play is no longer in print, and when it was, it was super expensive. If GW brought back Elysian Drop Troops and put the in plastic, I would have a Guard army. It would be easyish too, the base troops are just a head swap and a grav chute from being Cadians.
That old sentinel kit your talking about, has been around since 3rd edition, refreshed with the metal upgrades to make Armored sentinels, then further updated to the all plastic dual kit it is currently, since the more rounded sentinels haven't been released yet. Also in your history of sentinels you kindly forgot about the Elysian drop sentinel and the the forgeworld power lifter sentinel.
I own the entire range of metal, Rogue Trader era Imperial Guard, and I still play them to this day. I remember the last time I hit the table at a 40K event, one of the players approached me and said, "Dude, your miniatures are ANCIENT!" I didn't know whether to be insulted or proud. My Imperial Guard models were older than most of the people participating in the event. 😆
For the record, Leman Russ WAS a guy from the begining, but he wasn't a Space Marine, and he wrote the Codex Astartes, so arguably not even the same character.
Three sets of plastic troops, Cadian with upgrade sprues to make mordian iron guard or praetorian guard. A catachan set, and a deathkorp of krieg set with upgrade sprues for valhallan ice warriors
I saw this on my living room TV, so I’m commenting on my phone today, and I was shocked seeing this, and realized that, if I had those older guardsmen models, along with “Only Way”, and Solar Auxilia, then I can do a prologue campaign based on the Siege of Terra lol 🤣 But finding those miniatures will be a nightmare, so I’ll either have to build them from scratch, kit bash, or try my luck online, either way, it will be an epic prologue for sure… 😂
When the Vostroyan Firstborn were released I loved how different they looked from the standard Guard soldiers while still being very obviously Guardsmen. Too bad they were all metal, if they'd been plastic they'd have been both less expensive and more customizable. Still my favorite looking regiment though.
I am no businessman, but I feel like they should have created a generic guard sprue(s) with torsos, legs, etc. Then make a box for each regiment with said sprue. Included in each separate regiment box would be a small upgrade sprue to turn those generic guardsmen into a specific regiment. They could also sell these upgrade sprues separately and include them in other kits like the heavy weapon teams. I guess we probably wouldn't get the super unique models but I think it's a good compromise.
You missed the “dirty dozen” of the Imperial Guard with the the 13th Penal Legion (originally in the 3rd Ed as either a Special Veteran Guard squad in your normal list OR as a twelve independent character army)
They get the single coolest lore books I've ever read. Knock down drag out slug fests of battles, to operator shit infiltration missions. They have also been expanding them for 40k, and they kick ass. I recommend the minka lesk novels and steel tread are good.
I’d really like to play a paratrooper type guard army (light infantry, few vehicles, only squad automatic weapons and maybe mortar teams) and for kit I’d like them to look more like modern us soldiers with lasguns.
The new Guard designs are much easier to kitbash. The Cadian shoulder pads are starting to resemble Krieg ones, Cadians are using wider varieties of lasguns, and GW seems to be honing the unique design elements of each regiment down to just a few big but easily swappable pieces.
First collected Warhammer when all the other guard regiments existed, I had mostly Mordian and my Bro had Pretorian, this was around 1997-2001. Just getting back into the hobby within the last year and really disappointed at the complete lack of Guard or still using the same models as 25 years ago! I ended up making myself a small 500 point army of Roane Deepers made mostly from WW2 kits with lasguns. Sad that the Guard have gone backwards in the time I have been away. 😞
To be honest, I've never been tempted by any version of the guard, being drawn to the more outlandish elements of the setting (first army: Nids). I think the best comprise people will get (from gw, otherwise proxying from other companies is far better for everyone) is upgrade sprues (though it will mean everyone is wearing the same trousers). Still, can't see guard ever making a starter set, current rumours are space marines vs nids (which I hope are true as that'll be my chance to start a new nid force)
The absurdity only feels properly absurd if there's a 'straight man' to contrast it against. If *every* soldier is a genehanced superman in a fusion-powered supersuit with an automatic rocket-propelled grenade cannon worshipped by the technology monks of space then that just becomes the norm. I love the absurdity of 40K, but without some poor bastard in a flak jacket to gaze at it in horror as it is about to roll over him it doesn't feel absurd enough.
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I know this video is almost two years old but those are the Mordian Iron GUard, not the Preatorians. Please report to your nearest Commissar and bring exact change for the bolter round. ;)
In my local gw store they hold a get together every month where you can play or paint and we have only 1 guard player from what I know and I have seen his guard take on new chaos knights and chaos marines with little to no casualties. The hammer of the emperor rule for guard is somehow keeping up with 9th edition and I love how lore accurate that is for the guard being so hardy and full of tricks that they can out shoot any army.
Tanks lots of tanks that is how
Guard player here there’s basically only 1 build that’s competitive and it’s mech guard. So lots of tanks with some infantry… hopefully the new codex makes more units viable lol. I’m proud of my fellow guard commander keep it up!! 👏
What’s the channel? Mordian Glory? He ran meme armies in tournaments and 300 conscripts did surprisingly well. About as well as nothing but Leman Russ tanks did. Around 50% win rate on both.
As a competitive guard player, as laughable as that is, guard are decent. their shooting on paper is incredible you can insta kill knights with one tank in one shot. Bit in reality there so swingy. How many shots do i get? Roll a dice mostlikely going to get half, hitting with half the dice as BS4+ army wide, damage is a dice roll D6 or d3. You find in your shooting phase you either do amazingly or just fail to kill anything. If guard some more reliable ways to do flat damage and hit better then it would be way better
I play guard in Tournments. Notice I didn’t say I played Guard competitivly. I’ve been in 5 RTT/GT this year and have one last one for this year in 3weeks. It’s a difficult slog.
Showed Mordians when you were talking about Praetorians 😮😂
Forgivable since they were just a head swap after the display “battle at big toof river”.
Loved the video, so much nostalgia, keep it up.
Came here to say this. The Praetorians were created for the Massacre at Big Toof River, and were a limited release (I was there when it happened!). They were a pith-helmeted swap of the Mordian Iron Guard, which was the formal dress Imperial Guard regiment!
Noticed the same thing.
No one tell Mordian Glory.
Love my Praetorians was lucky enough to be in the hobby during the release. Can you remember the WD battle report with the farm. Using Ratskins as militia. Good old days :)
@@colossaladventure3077 what I wouldn't give for new guard for either of them. sigh...
hahah i laughed when MIG popped up as preds... i still got my old pred squads kinda sad gw killed off preds and the mig
My complaint about Space Marines always getting the spotlight is that it creates a positive feedback loop.
Space Marines get the most consistent updates and the coolest new toys first. So they get the cool toy, people buy it, and they make more. The rest of the armies get left behind with less players, so they get less toys, less players, less toys, less players, less toys, less players, less toys. Meanwhile even I, an Ork player, owns a space marine army because I wanted something new and shiny
But Marines also usually get the worst codices and if their codex is good, then only for a little while. The few very special chapters, like my beloved SW, sometimes have it a little better than the generic, but ultimately share the same fate. The Marine codex is absolute shit thanks to the power creep and not updated 8th ED supplements and is at a crushing 31% winrate with some chapters, like Imperial Fists, in the twentiees.
A saying from a Space Wolf Wolf Guard in a novel to an Ultramarine Cpt. after they dueled each other fits well here: "You are all shiny, have all those new and fancy stuff, all those new toys, but you do not know how to fight. You are pathetic. So hush now, go back to your time frozen father and keep polishing your armour and medals."
Me, a casual Tyranid player: I got one new model and my codex made people refuse to play with me.
I play craftworld and we got Dark Reapers and their phoenix lord as a new shiny toy. Happens to be (arguably) the worst unit in the codex. And the phoenix lord Maugen ra is low on the rankings between pheonix lords aswell :S
@@Enja_Near Fully justified, who like to play with bugs afterall, besides Orcs?
#kappa
Space marines are the mascots of GW right now. GW also knows that the marines are one of the primary reasons people get into 40k to begin with. After all, what’s the first thing you think about if you think about 40k
I actually love the original sentinel for one reason, it was designed by Michael Perry! What an inspiration to see how far HE has come in a couple decades. It's so easy to forget that anyone is going to be a little clumsy at first, but practice will even you out
its actually smart and of its time, those little 70's egg cars like the BMW Isetta and MS K200 were considered a precursor of what futuristic cars would be, hes basically got one of those and put it on some pretty cool robot legs for the time, Respect! i really like it too, just doesnt fit todays aesthetic
Thought it was a model for sonic the hedgehog
Glad to see you giving Guard some love, Unsure if just being baited, but I can't help but take it. Those were Mordian Iron Guard not Praetorian Guard sculpts. Which you coincidentally forgot to include. But more importantly, Guard for me have always been one of the most open factions to make into your own. They are a kitbashers dream army.
I sometimes wonder what a kitbasher would have more fun with, Guard or Orks?
As a Catachan player, I just hope we get SOMETHING unique for us in the new codex because it's not like we're getting a new infantry range lol
Since reptilian overlords and hardcore miniatures picked up GW slack, no need to bother.
I'm actually overjoyed they didn't touch my Catachan with the new models. Those cadians are going to be $55 for a 10 squad where as the catachans are still one of the most affordable units in the store.
While I like the 3d sculpts out there, I feel like those sly Stallone guardsmen have a hilarious charm
@@Chris-cv1yh They look like they partied like it was 1999.
@@Chris-cv1yh I'd prefer to pay more so that my models dont have gorilla hands.
Unlikely sadly. Cadians going to be the guard poster boys and girls for a while I expect. Your only real hope is probably fw now that plastic kreig exist.
My first 40.000 army was Imperial Guard - consisting of a combination of Shocktroops of Cadia and Tallarn Desert Raiders ;) And oh my... what a journey this was in the last 26 years 😃
-The Imperial Army-
-The Astra Militarum-
*THE WALL OF GUNS*
Damn, being called old because I remember the various regiment kits hit me in the ouchies. My favourite regiment were the Forge World Elysian Drop Troopers, who went back to that Starship Troopers aesthetic. Something about air cav just made me tingle in places. Shame I never collected them, if I was to do some guard I would look at seeing about getting some of the original models and maybe filling them out with 3rd party stuff.
I felt part of my soul leave my body when he threw out the date the plastic Cadians released. That JUST happened, I swear!
Bro, I remember knowing the Elysians were being sold years ago when I didn't get into the hobby. Now when I choose to start my Guard army I found out they're not in production anymore. 😔 Absolute shame they dropped the other Regiment lines to favor the Cadians more.
Plastic Cadians are actually a bit older than that, they came out with our 2003 codex for 3rd ed
I still believe that they could do most of the regiments using two different sets of bodies (one with coat, one with trousers) and upgrade sprues with heads and arms.
It is still more than what space marines need, but it could work
Theres gravis, phobos and tacticus in primaris alone, give me two types of guard body James Workshop!
I think it would be easy to do, PLEASE GAMES WORKSHOP!!
P L E A S E !!
@@ono1381 Krieg and Cadians and Catachan
Gw could have solved some of the problems if they had taken a similar approach as they did with the space marines with the upgrade sprues. Sell one kit per unit, with a generic uniform as the standard with cadian included in the box and then a series of small sprues sold to change the heads, shoulders etc to different regiments, giving them extra bits to give them heraldry for the flashier regiments. If plastic wasn't viable, fw resin could have been used like they do now for horus heresy. It would not have pleased everyone of course, but it would make it viable for gw.
I don't play 40K but If I did I'd play the guard, no question about it. The Guard are my favourite 40K faction and I think a big part of that is exactly what you said, the charm and the humour. Dawn of War also further exposed me to the units they had on offer and I quickly fell in love with their adherence to mass production and standard issue units and equipment. Gotta love that the commanders needing a whole retinue of guards to match the other factions HQ's, its a lovely touch that helps immerse you into the ideology of the guard.
As a fan of Astra Militarum I completely agree. I've long wanted to field a full army of Mordian Iron Guard. I think it would be easy to create upgrade spues of heads and arms like you said.
It would be easy to work it into the lore too. The cadian style uniforms were so durable it became the galactic standard, but units like the mordians and firstborn chose to maintain their distinctive uniform colors and headgear.
Further, they need to make a second tempestus scions kit. I tried making an army of them but they're rather boring with only five different poses
I really, really hope that Catachans will receive new kits, too. The infantry squad is from the early 90s and got a minor updated in the late 90s. Somewhere between 2001 and 2003 the Command Squad and Heavy Weapon Team got their plastic release, too. And they discontinued selling all the metal miniatures except the characters. Furthermore they released the coolest and best upgrade kit for tanks, the Catachan one. It had tons of awesome and great stuff to really let any Guard vehicle look like a Catachan one. Furthermore FW released a brass sprue with jungle plants (it was hellish to work with, but cool). Unfortunately the last two were discontinued in 2006 and they sold what was left.
If someone really deserves some love and treatment, its the Catachans. Those deeply loyal Rambos are waiting for decades now to get a new and great miniatures and even those that were never made, but are part of the lore. Like the Catachan Devils or the Catachan lizard cavallry (huge and damn scary four to 6 footed lizard like creatures, clad in armour, with several rows of rather sharp teath, extremly dangerous claws etc. Such a creature is even for a Space Marine a heavy match).
And GW released Marbo, then Seargent Ripper and lastly the Catachan Colonel (inspred btw by a well know Halo character), are all fantastic casts and really show what GW could do with them. So let's hope, by the Emporer, that GW will do it!
Plastic Catachans came out the same time as plastic Cadians which was in 3rd edition, early 2000's.
@@helotaxi Yes they came out together with the release of the 3rd edition 1998. However the squad already existed, just mostly in parts and metal miniatures.
In early 2000s they released the Command Squad and Heavy Weapons team in plastic, too.
Other than what the others said about the Mordian/Pretorian thing, excellent vid. One addition: According to comments on some of the releases and the big live stream, they have been hinting that alternative regiment upgrade sprues will be a thing, like the 30k ones for the Space Marines.
That would make one of the more expensive armies to collect...even more expensive
Yeah, sorta. But less Forge World, and less scouring the internet for out of print models (unless you indulge personal preference). So that may balance out. Not a perfect solution, but as Jay says, they are at least trying.
The guard have been a mainstay of my collection since the release of the Praetorians (for which I have a company) and thanks to the second hand market I have figures that go back to the original Imperial Army range. The first plastic guard (and the accompanying metal bodies with plastic arms and weapons) were just being released when I first began playing 40k.
Leman Russ was literally in the Rogue Trader rulebook! He was the founder of the Space Wolves back then but this was before he was a primarch.
My first miniatures I bought were the rogue trader plastic imperial guard. Still have them and I pulled one out the other day to give it a refresh paint job, gave me a lot of nostalgic memories.
I am one of the few Imperial Guard players with a full metal army (Vostroyan). Ever since 6th edition, it was downhill for everything that wasn’t Cadian. Nowadays I play the Vostroyans as Imperial Army in Warhammer 30K.
I've also got a lot of Vostroyans, sold a few hundred Cadians to fund that project. The Crusade also includes another few hundred infantry from 3 other regiments and I'm hoping for something good with this new book
Not enough variety in the vostroyan I had the 100ish quid army box for my bday and it was pretty much it
@@bradwad that's fair enough, that was always the weakness of the pewter lines. But imagine how unfair it would be to cadia if those pewter lines all got full plastic support? They needed to curb us somehow haha
2:37 - 2003* They came out just after the Eye of Terror campaign with the new 3.5 Guard book just before 4th edition.
7:56 - Not the Praetorians, They're the Mordian Iron Guard.
I'm fortunate enough to have one of the top 25 Imperial Guard players (globally, according to ITC tournament rankings) play tournaments in my local scene. He's a really cool guy and manages to do consistently well with something like 120 Whiteshields Conscripts, a mountain of out-of-line-of-site shooting, and a good 5 or 6 Leeman Russ tanks in various configurations, and I've gained quite a few insights into the Guard through conversation and competition. They're not a bad army, right now. Really. Auto-wounding on 6s to hit with 240+ lasgun shots is not nothing. Their biggest problem really, truly is that GW may not hate them, but they don't care enough about them to treat them right. They're not a showpiece army. Space Marines (loyalist or chaos) are sort of the poster boys of the showpiece army; they get the first codex every time, they get all sorts of new models, they get the attention to make them less same-y from version to version, all that. Tau, to a certain extent, are a showpiece army; who can deny that an army of giant robots and mech suits on the tabletop is cool? But Guard? Guard are a morass of infantry and a wall of tanks, and even their cool things are just... Bland compared to everyone else's. For GW to fix the Imperial Guard, they need to reinvent their identity. They need to become a showpiece army to get the love, and they need to get the love to become a showpiece army.
Also, I laughed way too hard at "The Egg".
As an old time ex-guard player (ditched them for Custodes at the beginning of 8th Edition, as they lost all their flavour) I have to say: New guard players do not realize how LUCKY they are.
Think about it this way:
Back in 2nd Edition when these Guard regiments came out, the sample 1500 point IG list in the Codex contained the following: Cadian HQ squad (Officer, 2 Meltaguns, Missile Launcher Team, Psyker, Chimera for 423 points), Cadian IG Squad (Flamer and Heavy Bolter), Cadian Heavy Weapons squad (2 Autocannons and Heavy Bolter), 5 Ratling Snipers, Leman Russ, Catachan Command squad (Officer, Lascannon, Heavy Bolter, Psyker), Catachan IG Squad (Plasma Gun, Missile Launcher), 5 Rough Riders. That is 41 METAL miniatures, 2 Tanks, 5 Cavalry and 6 wheeled metal heavy Weapons.
But when 3rd Edition was released in 1998 the only Plastic kit we had was: none. Catachans came Later in 1998-2000.
And your average IG army of 1500 points looked like:
HQ Squad of 5 for the mandatory HQ (About 150 points including the Missile Launcher and Meltaguns) It could bring up to 5 Heavy weapon Squads as part of it's platoon (About 100 points for 2 Autocannons and a Heavy Bolter).
2 Infantry Platoons of at least 25 figures: An 5 men Command Squad and 2 Infantry Squads. Will cost you 155 points without upgrades, or 222 points with (2 Plasma + Missile Launcher and 2 times Flamer+Missile Launcher).
But realistically you would want at least 3 Platoons of 3 Infantry Squads each. So realistically you are now lugging around about 120 metal figures, 14 wheeled metal heavy weapons and your 2 Tanks. So playing Guard just became a huge workout. Yes, it was less painful with the Catachan and Cadian plastic kits, but older players did not have that many squads lying around, as they never needed them for 2nd Edition...
It would be very easy to make kits that built multiple regiments. Cadian uniforms before they added the knee pads were basically the same as Mordian uniforms. Use the same bodies with an armor plate you can attach to the front. Have Talaran heads with shawls that hand over the top of the torso.
Krieg, Steel Legion, and Valhalla could all be in one box with multiple head sets and some odd bits.
Vostroyan are a little harder, but you could give them their own kit and throw in bits for some new as yet unexplored regiments that build off of similarly medieval armor.
Catachans need a new kit, you could include bits for a more generic "scout infantry look" with optional cloaks, and then you just need a head swap and a dagger pin for the Ghosts.
4 kits is a lot, but the Guard infantry kits do a lot of duty, it's one kit that represents multiple units, and this system would give players 12 different options.
I've been saying this since at least 6th edition, and GW's models have only been getting better over time. They could do it, but it's only going to get harder as they introduce more units, like the field batteries, that have Cadians as the only option.
I think other regiments will get full ranges over time. Cadia survived because they were the best selling of the old regiments and because they had a plastic range. If you'd have asked 12 months ago which is more likely that we get some new guard regiments or an entire army range of Squats I think most people would have said the guard... so who knows what can happen? I mean they have brought back Attilan Rough Riders and a unit of DKoK in plastic which at one point looked pretty inconceivable. In the wider picture we got a complete refresh of Horus Heresy, Sisters of Battle got a complete army, Ad Mech got a complete army, we have knights of both types and by next year we will have 3 of the 4 main Chaos god affiliated legions with unique units and Primarchs so GW is clearly not that afraid of trying stuff. These are things that people would have said will never happen. Even stuff like different army books for smaller SM Chapters and the Custodes were at one time considered impossible.
I love the guard so much. I find the little grunts relatable and love collecting them. No fucking clue how to use them or what any of their gear is.
It's a shame they discontinued the other guard regiments mini production. I've been using bolt action soviet winter infantry models for my Valhallan Regiment. It works as a proxy for the scale. All you need are lasguns.
I was at my local game store playing a game of AoS with my dad and there was a full chaos knight centered army against guard.
The guard absolutely GLOBALLED the chaos within two battle rounds
I love the Imperial Guard, but they do tend to get wrecked. Back in 2nd edition you could have entire Platoons of Rough Riders, or Heavy Weapon Squads, every squad could take special Veteran Skill that no other army could take, and every Platoon or Army Command Squad would allow you an off-board artillery barrage every turn.
3rd edition nerfed them pretty hard with the new Force Organization chart putting tight limits like removing Rough Rider Platoons as an options, and putting Ogryn, Ratling, and Stormtrooper squads(not platoons) in the 0-3 elite slots for your whole army.
I remember 3.5 Imperial Guard got doctrines and new flyers. Imperial Guard with Vendetta gunships, and either free Infilitration or a 4+ armor Save, Deep Strike for your whole army was amazing.
Aside from that brief period of 3.5 army doctrines as a whole the Guard didnt change too much between 3-7th editions. Command Squads gained special orders, a lot of new tank variants came out, but no new strategies besides Swarms and Tanks. It actually kind of ruined the Guard as they lost all of the diversity, like what happened to the 3.5 feral world imperial guardsmen with swords and laspistols(Kanak Skull Takers), the airborne regiments(Elysian Drop Troops), Carapace Guardsmen(Vostrayan Firstborn), or the Infilitrator armies(Tanith First and Only)?
I heard 9th-10th edition actually nerfed the Imperial Guard vehicles, while also buffing the whole Tau army.
The Guard do need a little more flavour. The Cadians (current scupt) were generic and should have had some alternative sprues to turn them into different styles. A long winter coat, a scarfed head, lighter or heavier armour, bare arms, slightly different lasguns, etc. Just something to do different than a StarShip trooper knockoff
As a krieg player. I NEED MORE PLASTIC KRIEGSMAN. PLEASE JAMES WORKSHOP PLEASE
As a new player thanks to the new Kill Team, I have started a collection of Imperial Guard. I find the models to be pretty cool and I enjoy building and painting them.
They are incredible, I got big colonial marine vibes from them as I was putting them together.
Really cool video going through the evolution of a faction model range. Please do more
How dare you forget about the Tanith First and Only sir! You could get them once upon a time too as normal guardsmen. Same with missing the Mordians. :D However you're very right, the other regiments really deserve more attention from GW as ranges.
really appreciate letting us know where to get other model ranges to fill in for the imperial guard. and yes I'm planning on collecting them. for the same reasons you gave
I could see “upgrade sprue” of regiments, but there’s no way they’re ever going back to full blown regiments of all kinds. They’ve settled in the Cadia style and will stick to it, long after that world is extinguished (oh wait….)
I just think of it as a rebranding that all the regiments get issued the same gear these days.
At least is something
Great Video. I still have my original Guard from WAAAAAY back in the day made from pewter.
There is always a part of me that wants 120+ troopers just flooding the table.
I used to field an all infantry IG force back in 3rd and into 4th. 120 minis at 1500pts. Half plastic Cadians. Half metal Vahallans.
@@helotaxi maybe some day, that is a lot of painting.
Great video. Really accurate history really well summarised !!
I have 3x of those 'Eggs' and back then I was really eggcited about them. I half-heartedly collected Guard in those Rogue Trader days, the first plastic guard etc but stopped due to my historic gaming enthusiasm (and lack of funds, GW has always been pricey) About 2006 I was hooked by those new plastic Cadians, and the metal command figures I still think are some of GWs finest designs. Thanks to Ebay and the numerous independent sellers I was able to go bananas collecting Cadians for a few years culminating in a huge collection of figures (including 3x Baneblades and 1x Shadowsword). I still prefer older figures (the 'Heroic Scale' as they are called) to the new designs (Although the new models are excellent I must say).
id love to collect the death korps of krieg but they need to get more plastic models on games workshop, the forge world ones are way to pricey for me.
in december i will do a catachan/victoria miniatures "island of doctor moreau" kill team build and i think i will record it for the first time you are such an inspiration!! keep on rocking
Love the guard. If GW brings back the other regiments or even their metal sculpts I’d probably try and get my hands on them to have every regiment of the guard. And if not I’ll find them elsewhere. Plus who knows rumours say krieg will get their range refresh in plastic in 10th edition that might mean a range refresh for each regiment each edition. Maybe we will get catch and next? Would be really cool to have a Catachan vs Tyranids in a Kill Team in the jungle with the Catachan having a range refresh. Like the kasarkin did. Maybe they will also get their elites the Catachan devils like the cadian kasarkin and the krieg grenadiers. I would very much like that for each regiment hat comes back and for all of them and more to come like Jopall, Mordant Acid Dogs, etc. But it is but a dream a dream of a hopeful guardsman player.
The guard is comming back. A lot of people are hating but man. Astra militarum is top dawg right now. Y’all see that new Scion kill team. For the emperor!!!!
Imperial Guard was my first faction and is still my main faction! They are definitely unwieldy in terms of the regiments. But even though I have to downsize the amount of Cadian and Catachan I own, and truly start painting my guard, I will rep them forever! The IG do work and I have had some awesome moments of that!
I remember getting really excited when I first saw that picture of 'The Egg'!
I miss Pete Haines! He wrote both the 3rd edition Guard Codex and the 3rd Edition Chaos Space Marine codex and both are better than anything they've put out since...Customizable with every unit being a viable option!
The perks with the guard like space marines is is that you can paint any colour scheme. You just lose out on the fun different details. Maybe some add on packs so yes can kit bash cadians would work? I have some lovely old school iron guard abd desert raiders that I have stripped so to enjoy repainting as a grown up. I’m going to go maaaaaaad with speed paints
I've had a massive Valhallan army for a long time. I added to it a few years ago when GW did their made to order Valhallans. One of my favorite armies and it looks awesome on the table.
I love being able to wake up to coffee and EOB 3 out of 5 work days!
Always remember, The planet broke before the Guard did.
Tanks for this video
Since they just released a sneak peek of the return of the Attilan Rough Riders, I believe they are going to slowly re-release these regiments as plastic kits. I also read that they were bringing back the build your own regiment rules that were in 3rd edition.
3D printing is the way. But yeah, would love to see a modern GW take on the unique regiments.
I played guard in 2nd edition. Used to win alot in the shop games against other people as no-one knew how to fight them as everyone moved on from Space marines as a first army to Eldar or Chaos.
The plastic Sentinel kit came out when the plastic Cadians and Catachans were released in 3rd ed (early 2000s). I have a sealed box of 20 Cadians dated 2003 in my collection of shame. The armored version with lascannon (metal upgrade bits) were part of the Armageddon Steel Legion release around 2004.
I remember getting my mars pattern sentinels in a multipack without any foot sloggers. I don't remember a plastic Armageddon release in the early 2000s while i was still playing
Imperial guard are really cool! Buuut I’m indifferent to cadians. If they released Valhallans though… I would buy a whole army in a second
But the horses, won't anyone think of the horses!!
I can really recommend the wargames Atlantik plastic sprues! Many nice bits to play around with;)
Goodness you make me feel old. My Guard army has one of the early 'egg' sentinals, a ton of talarn and the original metal cadians plus a squad or two of the first storm troopers and rough riders. Squad valhallans too.
I made an effort to collect guard and space Marines in the 90s. I loved all the models but wasn't aware back then that you were encouraged to have only one type of guard to fill out the ranks as it were.
The pith helmeted Praetorian is a favorite (but to convert now would cost a fortune). I wish there was a way to create a cool regiment like you can with creating chapters of space Marines.
Have a look at Wargames Atlantic Bulldogs kit and Victoria Miniatures Victorian Guard Range. Whilst not the original Praetorians they do come close
Great video, but hey I have all of the old guard and still use them and love when people say where did you get those.😇🙏🇺🇸
I like the idea of instead of making a billion regiments, do "template" kits. All your trench coat regiments with their special gear with some trench coat bodies to make DKOK, Vostroyans, and Vallhallans, and short coats for regiments like the tallarn and and steel legion, maybe even a 'dress coat' style infanytry for mordian-style armies. Add in a head upgrade sprue for maccabian jannisaries for your cadian base sporue, and a kit for catachans and penal legion regiments, and you're well on your way to have a flavorful range of regiments without having to have 30 different kits for each specific special regiment, just 3-5ish.
I had one of the egg sentinels.
Also, you said Praetorian Guard (& mentioned pith helmets), but pictured the Mordian Iron Guard.
Old sentinel.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Yes.
"The wield artillery pieces"
Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong
The actual most common defenders are the planetary millitia, imperial guard are elite versions of those that only like one in ten qualify for.
I’m fairly new. So of course I play Blueberries, about 3000 painted so far.
But yeah I’d play Gaurd. Especially cool if they came in V10 release box.
My second army was/is the Imperial Guard. All Cadians with that one Octarius DKOK squad and a hidden squad of Brood Brothers. This new refresh has me setting aside the Blood Angels for the first time since the Devastation of Baal. Im cautiously optimistic but rough riders makes me hopeful for some flavour
I liked the upgrade sprue, I wish they extended the kreig range and refreshed the catachan, just the 10 man squad needed changing. The command squad and heavy weapons still hold up
Hey, I had the Raumjager stand-in for Steel Legion too! Still gotta build them tho...
I have been a loyalist Guard since I started in 1996
The biggest problem with Imperial Guard is it is expensive to collect 2000 pts of every variation / foot , mech , tank or Hy-brid to future proof yourself from rules changes .
9th started out as , then progressed :
1) 300+ foot , mortar pits , 9 Bullgryn and full pay load Manticores
2) 300+ foot , mortar pits , 2x5 Crusaders and full pay load Manticores
3) 200 + foot with a Marauder Destroyer / Bomber
4) tank , mech and Manticores with 3 tank aces
5) Scions with 5 Taurox Primes
6) Hy-brid / 3 tank aces Demolishers , mortar , x100 troops , Basilisks
7) 300+ foot , mortar pits , white shields , full pay load Basilisks
8) pure Hybrid ==> Demolishers , mortar pits , x100 troops , Basilisks
9) Hy-brid with Bane blade variant
10 ) Codex time
Once again, I'm amazed at the amount of research work this little video must've take ! Hell, just the historical facts behind the IG must represent a HUGE chunk of time ! Very impressive Jay ! And thanks again for sharing this passion with epidemic passion and love
Mordian Guard infantry kit with optional epaulettes would go a long way and allow for some head swaps to make Praetorians and plenty of other Regiments just like that.
I think if games workshop is going to bring back any of the old regiments with an upgraded kit I would prefer the Elysian drop troopers. A squad of jetpack equipped to drop troops it's going to be super useful regardless of what your strategy is with the guard.
Vostroyans and Steel Legion were not part of the 94 release. Pretorans came in 97 (from the Battle of Big toof River). Steel Legion came in 2000 with the Armageddon campaign and Vostroyans came with 4th edition (post 2004)
AM will be getting a new big tank soon, and it have been leaked that the starter for 10th will be Blood Angels vs Tyranids.
I always like the normal groud pounder types more than ulta elites. Havent really played proper since 4th but i started in 3rd ed with mix of catachan plastics with a some metal. ive collected a few other smaller force just for fun but never played them. my second biggest 40k army is orks which i only started on in the last few years. Guard are my faves though. Punching daemon princes and avatars in the scrote with a powerfist wielding colonel was always highly satisfying. not to mention the leman russ variants.
couple of minor corrections. like others have mentioned, you mixed up mordian and praetorian. next came the steel legion with the armageddon campaign , then last metal kit was the vostroyans which i think came out with cities of death. Also , Leman Russ was a thing!, Just not as he is now. Check page 27 of your rogue trader book. like the rest of the marines he got a lore hefty reboot with 2nd ed.
Catachan need their own bike squad. except instead of using heavy clunky space marine bikes, they need some 90s 250cc 2 strokes with flame throwers.
Guard was my first army back in the day! I'll always have a soft spot for em
All the Imperial guard need is the ability to spawn more reinforcements for destroyed infantry units to show the endless stream of meat for the grinder, it doesn't need a million special rules, basic orders are fine.
I absolutely love the guard and use them for everything 40k, kill team, it doesn’t matter. And it’s because of this quote right here.
For that weak sack of flesh that you so gleefully mock is no super soldier, no immortal warrior, no creature cursed by chaos like you. He is a man, an imperial guardsmen drawn from some forgotten corner of the Imperium to fight for his species and for the safety of the people he loves. He is a factory worker, a farmer, a storekeeper, a father, a brother, a son, a mere man. And against creatures like you, teeming and numberless, powered by the very will of thirsting gods......... He holds the line. He has held the line for ten thousand Years.
The only thing that keeps me from even thinking of playing guard is the regiment I would want to play is no longer in print, and when it was, it was super expensive. If GW brought back Elysian Drop Troops and put the in plastic, I would have a Guard army. It would be easyish too, the base troops are just a head swap and a grav chute from being Cadians.
That old sentinel kit your talking about, has been around since 3rd edition, refreshed with the metal upgrades to make Armored sentinels, then further updated to the all plastic dual kit it is currently, since the more rounded sentinels haven't been released yet. Also in your history of sentinels you kindly forgot about the Elysian drop sentinel and the the forgeworld power lifter sentinel.
There's just something great about fielding 9 russes and your local store won't let you play again
I own the entire range of metal, Rogue Trader era Imperial Guard, and I still play them to this day. I remember the last time I hit the table at a 40K event, one of the players approached me and said, "Dude, your miniatures are ANCIENT!" I didn't know whether to be insulted or proud. My Imperial Guard models were older than most of the people participating in the event. 😆
For the record, Leman Russ WAS a guy from the begining, but he wasn't a Space Marine, and he wrote the Codex Astartes, so arguably not even the same character.
Three sets of plastic troops, Cadian with upgrade sprues to make mordian iron guard or praetorian guard. A catachan set, and a deathkorp of krieg set with upgrade sprues for valhallan ice warriors
I saw this on my living room TV, so I’m commenting on my phone today, and I was shocked seeing this, and realized that, if I had those older guardsmen models, along with “Only Way”, and Solar Auxilia, then I can do a prologue campaign based on the Siege of Terra lol 🤣
But finding those miniatures will be a nightmare, so I’ll either have to build them from scratch, kit bash, or try my luck online, either way, it will be an epic prologue for sure… 😂
I love the idea of giving us the different regiments via Kill Team! Kills two guardsman with one stone
When the Vostroyan Firstborn were released I loved how different they looked from the standard Guard soldiers while still being very obviously Guardsmen. Too bad they were all metal, if they'd been plastic they'd have been both less expensive and more customizable. Still my favorite looking regiment though.
I am no businessman, but I feel like they should have created a generic guard sprue(s) with torsos, legs, etc. Then make a box for each regiment with said sprue. Included in each separate regiment box would be a small upgrade sprue to turn those generic guardsmen into a specific regiment. They could also sell these upgrade sprues separately and include them in other kits like the heavy weapon teams. I guess we probably wouldn't get the super unique models but I think it's a good compromise.
You missed the “dirty dozen” of the Imperial Guard with the the 13th Penal Legion (originally in the 3rd Ed as either a Special Veteran Guard squad in your normal list OR as a twelve independent character army)
They get the single coolest lore books I've ever read. Knock down drag out slug fests of battles, to operator shit infiltration missions. They have also been expanding them for 40k, and they kick ass. I recommend the minka lesk novels and steel tread are good.
I always liked guard. I I've been talked into trying to build a Guard army converted to be a T'au Empire Gue'vesa army. I'll do it one unit at a time.
I’d really like to play a paratrooper type guard army (light infantry, few vehicles, only squad automatic weapons and maybe mortar teams) and for kit I’d like them to look more like modern us soldiers with lasguns.
The new Guard designs are much easier to kitbash. The Cadian shoulder pads are starting to resemble Krieg ones, Cadians are using wider varieties of lasguns, and GW seems to be honing the unique design elements of each regiment down to just a few big but easily swappable pieces.
Unless they're monopose and the bits fit together at weird angles making 3rd party bits virtually un-useable on them
First collected Warhammer when all the other guard regiments existed, I had mostly Mordian and my Bro had Pretorian, this was around 1997-2001. Just getting back into the hobby within the last year and really disappointed at the complete lack of Guard or still using the same models as 25 years ago! I ended up making myself a small 500 point army of Roane Deepers made mostly from WW2 kits with lasguns. Sad that the Guard have gone backwards in the time I have been away. 😞
To be honest, I've never been tempted by any version of the guard, being drawn to the more outlandish elements of the setting (first army: Nids). I think the best comprise people will get (from gw, otherwise proxying from other companies is far better for everyone) is upgrade sprues (though it will mean everyone is wearing the same trousers).
Still, can't see guard ever making a starter set, current rumours are space marines vs nids (which I hope are true as that'll be my chance to start a new nid force)
The absurdity only feels properly absurd if there's a 'straight man' to contrast it against. If *every* soldier is a genehanced superman in a fusion-powered supersuit with an automatic rocket-propelled grenade cannon worshipped by the technology monks of space then that just becomes the norm. I love the absurdity of 40K, but without some poor bastard in a flak jacket to gaze at it in horror as it is about to roll over him it doesn't feel absurd enough.