Free will and the age of accountability! What's the deal?
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Frank addresses a question regarding free will and the age of accountability.
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90% Whoever makes these thumbnails needs a raise!!!
i am christ
There is a VIP seat in heaven reserved for the thumbnail guy!
Lol 🤣. They are really good.
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@@sesostris6678 :)
I have to meet this person 😂😂
The thumbnail is the greatest thing I have seen today! Please give that man a raise
Me : waiting for smartest comments about the video
Everyone : thumbnail guy
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@@luisalmeida8275 we're not told about the destiny of pre-accountability life that ends. It's comforting to think they're auto-admitted into Heaven, or that their souls would've been evil & so they were spared punishment by death before sins, or etc. We're told that all see the likelihood of a Creator via considering nature, but by only one Author. We're told that irreversibly Hell-bound lives are created only to serve His overall purpose for the Righteous. We won't know until all is revealed, & even if then, may not retain the understanding when taken into Heaven because every tear will be wiped-away. I expect that our memories will be cleansed, while those who rejected & rebelled will have perfect memories they will not be able to escape.
@@luisalmeida8275 we're told He creates everyone & knows everyone as they're knitted together in their Mother's womb. None but Him give life. He knows most people won't serve Him (pre-Law), obey (Law era), or accept that Jesus is the Messiah (grace, Gentile era). Few are chosen, narrow is the path (One option). Many will perish, wide is their path (many options). Canaanites, Perizzites, Amorites, Egyptians & many others were evil peoples whose fates were certain. Our Clay understanding is that they didn't get a fair shake. G_d's Potter understanding is that whatever He does, it's righteous. Our minds are unable to fully wrap around & embrace that wholeheartedly.
@@luisalmeida8275 Maybe research what life was like before the fall. Some of the thing you're speaking about were one way beforr the fall, different after the fall. As far as we know God could've easily had Cain and Abel born with accountability as you presented but things changed.
Adam came to the knowledge of sin, then was ashamed, hid himself, lied, then blamed not to long and we see pride and murder from Cain. God knows us before we are in the womb. Knows us, not who we are but what we are and places us where we need to be. People forget God could scrap this creation and be Just in doing so...kids and all. If your understanding leaves God Un-Holy it is wrong. Much love friend, hopefully this will help in some way. Jesus Christ is King
@@luisalmeida8275 Well, you also have to think about why God let a baby pass on. God doesn’t let evil happen unless good can come from it. A child should have free will. We learn at our younger ages a lot and our earlier years help us and set up the foundation for who we will be. God can’t just be like “install default mod 1 until child is of age”. That wouldn’t be moral since free will reveals the truth. Again giving a baby a matured brain with intelligence would basically make it a robot. We become who we are by be influenced and experiencing things. I think free will is better than no will.
There would be no use for God to increase a persons lifespan. God knows what the future holds. Most people stay the same after a certain age and they become very stubborn about there beliefs. God knows that if a person is not going to change their minds about him when they are young or in their prime that they don’t want to know God. God is too loving to force someone into his presence. Seek the Lord and you shall find him.
The thumbnail creator needs a raise
@i o it’s just a joke
@i o Welp, looks like 89 out of 90 people who came across this post thought it was funny.
@i o Relax kiddo. It's not that serious.
@i o If your gana use a joke, at least use it right.
It's like now. With participation trophies and safe spaces most don't understand there are consequences for how you live your life.
Wow great comparison
Maybe the age of accountability is when the mind fully begins to process right from wrong.
Yes, but at what age(on average) does this apply?
Conquer Neptune Idk I’d assume there is no set age but rather the second a person gains the understanding of right from wrong they are accountable . If I was to pick an age maybe around 10-13
Abhay Raj babies and young kids excluded but majority/most people gain the understanding around 8+ on average. God i would assume is very reasonable so if someone who is mentally incapable of understanding this concept most likely would be excluded from perishing but depending on how much they sinned would face some sort of punishment just like Christians who fail to live a holy life will suffer loss but not perish. But this topic is very hard to grasp due to lack of information on this in the Bible.
PhOnIXR7 16 seems fair but the thing is I just can’t give good answers on this topic because lack information on it. But however God is running this show I’m sure he’s doing it in a reasonable and fair way.
@PhOnIXR7 I remember doing some things I knew was wrong that I've done in fourth grade. And I would feel really bad about it. I don't know what age a person would be in fourth grade but my guess would be before their teens. When I look back in life. It doesn't matter if you're young old. If you can sense what's right and wrong then they're just as guilty regardless whether they're 9 or 72.
These thumbnails are so good
I mean, if God is outside of time, He already knows your life in a million scenarios, He knows your heart in all of them. King David said "all the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be" (psalms 139). so even when we do not see the outcome, God already knows who we chose to be.
Why can't I ever find the full seminar why do I only see 3 and 4 minute clips? This stuff is too good!
could it be he wants you to go to them in person? i believe hes posted the full presentations a number of times regardless, look up i dont have enough faith to be an atheist presentation.
Isn't the full seminar on in the form of multiple individual clips?
For those questioning people and true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, pray to the Father, ask Him for wisdom, ask Him for understanding and read His Word, the Bible.
Word
A young lad of twelve in my state was strolling along a street in his town when he overheard a cluster of other kids of about his age discussing schools and one actually stating that the eavesdropper’s school was a crappy place. Upset by this, the twelve year old kid walked across to the small crowd and asked the girl who had said this to repeat herself - and she did. Satisfied his hearing had not deceived him, he asked the girl to wait for him, ran off to his house which happened to be nearby and came back with a kitchen knife which he plunged hilt-deep into the girl’s chest right before the horrified eyes of the rest. The poor girl died instantly.
I had the unpleasant duty of prosecuting this case; even though up until my transfer to another zone, the argument before the state High Court was whether the kid at the time of the homicide was up to the age of criminal liability or not.
We had a case near me of 2 14yr old boys that rpd and beat a girl to death with an iron bar.
They were prosecuted as adults, got life.
I can imagine how the thumbnail revived such a horrible memory and listening to this clip about age of accountability. Sigh, God knows best my friend, God knows best 🙏🏼
@@karimlyn1967 god knew best that the girl deserved that?
Nice. Stand up guy this god character.
@@GDKLockout God gave us free will to choose Him or not. We are not robots or else we could not love. For the boy to choose against good is not God's responsibility. As Frank Turek had shared in many of his talks, we are not moist robots bound by materialism... As tragic as the circumstances were, God does permit these situations to happen for accountability of free will. He can't choose for us. That choice is in our hands. That power to choose is our right to exercise, however responsible or irresponsible we may be with it.
@@karimlyn1967 so the girl deserved it because the boy has free will?
I'm here because of the thumbnail... straight up fire
I will respect Frank during this discussion. He was honest and told the crowd that he doesn't know the answer. That's something I can agree with.
What would be your best guess about the matter? I'm guessing the innocent don't need choice like the rebellious would. If your spouse left you for another, it would be a sin to kidnap your spouse from whomever they went to. She would need to choose to come back. If ur toddler on the other hand wanders away from you, it's not like they are turning their back on you in any manner. You'd still scoop (kidnap) them up before they get hurt and it wouldn't be sin. The child is innocent of their wanderings while the spouse is unfaithful in theirs. Neither are protected from death, and yet only one can rebel. From my view, choice is important for it's purpose but we can't stretch choice beyond its purpose. There are so many things we don't put choice on a pedestal for, this issue could be just a natural.
@@arcguardian Well unfortunately there isn't a particular scripture in the Bible that states: "this is the age of accountability." We can only infer or like you said "guess" what may be so.
I don't completely agree with the comparison in your story.
One of my nieces, when she was about 2-3, she could definitely understand me when I said "No" to her.
Plenty of instances when I would look her in the eye and say "No" and she would still make the choice to disobey.
How do we know when one should be held accountable for disobedience? It's a tough avenue to venture.
Grace and Truth is Christ Jesus.
The law is death but was necessary to learn and knowledge
Jesus fulfilled the law in Grace and Truth
The law of Love and mercy
Love the Lord God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind and all your strength.
Love your neighbor as yourself
No greater law than those 2
@@mustachemac5229 I had a slightly different take. I think Dr. Turek is tiptoeing around the problem of whether babies automatically go to heaven. He wants to say "yes", because of the modern interpretation of David's remark about his infant son, but it seems to me that he doesn't feel comfortable saying "babies go to heaven" because he knows that the consequence of that opinion is that it is better to kill babies then to risk having them lose their faith as adults.
@@mustachemac5229 age of accountability is when you can understand it. Again His Word has all the answers but only if you choose to believe it:
Romans 2:14-16
King James Version
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
God's will and our will work in conjunction with one another. God chooses us and we choose Him in return. It's a mutual exchange. His life for ours and our life for Him in return. The offer goes to all people to accept or reject by the free will He wills us to have. It's spelled out here perfectly in the proclamation of the birth of Christ. He is for "all people".
"And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:10-11
The greatest news ever.
Amen.
Hey, Jesus Christ saves and He loves you😁✝️
Indeed.
God is good!
Maybe it’s because I am not a father yet but if my child was immortal until the age of 10 I would not start caring about them until... the age of 10
I feel like it would make us lackadaisical about our own children🤷🏽♂️💯
As a father of 3 I disagree. The only way you could hold that belief is either not caring about your children or* living in constant hope that your kid dies before they turn 10.
I didn't have free will until I met Jesus I was a slave to sin & the world without understanding.
JESUS IS LORD & ALIVE!!!
✝️💕🏃🌎💨
Frank looks so tired here... I hope he's ok.
He’s been doing apologetics for years. I also notice sometimes he’s there late at night in some of these events so I bet he is tired.
He’s tired of defending positions he knows are false
@@guitarplyr327 and I wonder when you'll get tired of being such an amazing, caring and loving human being!!
@@VeNeRaGe I won’t
@@guitarplyr327 all right. You have the right to choose after all.
Came for the thumbnail. Stayed for the word 🔥🔥
I'm just trying to figure out how people were ever able to ask a question of a public speaker...before they had "smart phones"...to "remind" them...of what they wanted to ask....
I still use cue cards to bring up questions if I'm attending a seminar and there are questions that we can ask.
Paper pages.
They used paper.
And before that they used clay tablets. Except the occasional slow student who used stone carvings.
I swear, Frank has answered the question this guy asked DOZENS of times.
Just look it up first before you ask!
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw
It's me, the guy that started all of this.
Hint: I'm an old guy who predates all this "technology". And y'all, that younger generation (I have two daughters, one 35, the other 25) are as comfortable with that stuff as I made positively miserable by it all.
And it is even the language. You said you had "written it down". The word "writing," for me, will always mean written, by hand, with pencil or pen, on a piece of paper. But I do understand that saying I am now "writing a response" is much easier and yes, every bit as accurate as "I am now inputting data into my computer in order to asnwer your comment". So there is truth but there is also being pendantic and...I avoid that rabbit hole the older I get.
But then again, you also belong to a generation that is allowed to ask questions...of a speaker...after he/she talks. See? That's me, asking another question: When did THAT start?
Oh, but you did indeed ask THE question that gets right to the heart of the matter and I think you knew that when you asked...which is, I think, why you asked it.
I've been having that little discussion since the mid-late '70s and I'm still waiting to find one person, other than me, who makes the distinction between "will" and "choice". One of those can indeed be "free". The other is not.
Stenson, you stay safe and be well. You are, I hope, the beginning to a return of young people who are polite, courteous, and inquistive.
God is all powerful.
God is present everywhere at all times.
God knows all things at all times.
God cannot make a mistake
God has endowed you with free will
God can revoke your free will
any time he feels like it.
Given Yahweh's infinite power and control over you
how much free will do you have?
Merry Christmas 🕯🕯🕯🕯🐾🐾😻🕯🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
Christmas is the devil holiday
@@yhwhhelpme7161 Evidence for that?
Famous comedy show < Frank Turek's Thumbnails
But on a serious note, it makes sense that there is an age of accountability, because good luck finding a 2-month-old looking at someone with lust.
Age of accountability doesn’t refer to whether children have the capacity to sin. Lust may not be on a 2-year-old’s mind, but selfishness, anger, rebellion are certainly within the scope of their behavior. Age of accountability refers to their understanding of the sin they are committing and its consequences. If a toddler can’t understand the concept of death, by extension they also cannot understand that “the wages of sin is death.”
A two-month old looks at breasts differently than I do.
@@spencergsmith This is a fantastic point. When I was 10 or 11, I knew what was right or wrong and knew my actions had consequences, so I was at the age of accountability. But I still sinned, and as such was accountable for my actions. Imho, if a child is old enough to use the age of accountability as an excuse for their bad behavior, then they are definitely accountable for their actions.
Maaaan thumbnails keep getting better and better 🤣
Our will is bound and salvation is by grace.
The satisfactory answer found in scripture is 20. Look for a video titled "Age of Accountability: The Answer | Bible Questions & Answers" from Pastor-Lawyer David Reid of Columbus OH
One word , WILL . Everything happens according to his will
Why would Jesus suggest we pray, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." if everything happens according to his will?
@@jackjunk5495 Read the Bible and find out😉
@@jackjunk5495 for mans benefit. If its His will to happen, He will put it into ur heart to pray. If its not His will for man, man must pray even though Your Will Be Done
So people who are in hell are there because He willed it?
@@MarkNOTW hell is in only 2 or 3 English bible translations out of 100 English. The word or concept of HELL is not in the Hebrew or Jewish scriptures manuscripts or Torah.
Started from the Latin Vulgate in 900 AD not before that.
The Gospel is not of torcher and hatred towards mankind.
Research it
Carnal is physical
Spirit is life
Those who worship God must in spirit n truth
“He made the world this way after the fall”
I have a few questions about this.
1- Did the animals were “thrown” away from the garden with us? Because if they WERE in the garden, why the hell do they have sharp teeth and claws, and their body being able to presses animal cells way better than vegetal cells if they wouldn’t need any of that if they were in the garden? It probably has implications about evolution
2- Did death became just after the “Fall”?
3- Do animals have soul?
Check out the koala bear! As a herbivore, the koala only eats eucalyptus. However, they have big, sharp fangs to get through the bark. We can't be certain of the carnivore's original diet pre-fall, but it may have been similar to that of the koala in that they may have needed to tear into certain plants or even roots to get their meal.
I think the kid’s question means, if God puts us here to make a choice for Him, and many people die before getting to make that choice, doesn’t that make Christianity look like it doesn’t make sense, maybe we just die randomly and go nowhere afterwards. Dying before the “age of accountability “ seems to defeat the whole ‘logical’ purpose of Christianity.
Isaiah 7:15-16 = the age of accountability is determined individually. Age of military service & etc were specific; eg: Numbers 1:3&45.
My theory is that children who die before they come to the point of being capable of understanding morality and the gospel do go to heaven, however at the end of the millennial period they will be raised up alongside those who are awaiting the second death, and will be afforded the opportunity to grow to the point that they are mature enough to understand morality and the gospel which they will hear, and then it will be incumbent upon them at that time to make a decision so as to ultimately determine their fate.
To give into the natural man, is to be a robot controlled by emotions.
But to do the right thing when tempted to do wrong, is free will.
God created everyone with the ability to choose the right thing, regardless of the situation.
Great answers 👍
I am a christian and my muslim environment always say to me "the Bible is changed.". That is their only way to escape, but is it true? Please, help me.
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw oh this is true
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw Thank you so much, Mister, you really helped me. Know I am fully eqquiped with all knowledge of God against false muslim teachings because of you :)) thank you
It seemed like he was asking whats the point of someone who dies befire the age of accountability even being born because if we're here to be tested and choose jesus but die before we're even at an age to take the test then whats the point of them being born if thats litwrally the whole point of us being here
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw I know ive heard I think from him in a video say that being in this fallen state is how he shows his redeeming qualities and gives us the chance to choose him . there was alot more to it than that but honestly I dont remember it enough id butcher the answer. Someone had asked why this scenario basically instead of everything just being perfect to begin with , maybe we wouldnt truly understand how wonderful things in a perfect state are and how much God loves us with out first seeing how awful things could be , man just destroys itsself and we see how much we need God to keep things in perfect order we can't do it ourselves I think the state of this world proves that.idk maybe I'm wrong just a thought. Kind of like kids don't appreciate and see how much their parents do and love them. Feed, clothed ,housed , loved take that away and that kid would have their world come crashing down and realise how much they need their parents. I know not all kids have that so I guess you could even say a child whos been with out and then getting that would appreciate it so much more . when I was a kid I had alot just handed to me then we hit financial issues when my dad left ,constantly worrying about money ,keeping the house having electric. I never truly apreciated those things til after and never realised how much I needed my mom and how much she did for us and loved us . I know these are lesser issues compared to the original question but maybe its something like that
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw why would he model the Earth in what way?
Proverbs 20, 11 Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.
@Ed Carson
Mr Carson some of us men grew up quicker than others.
I don't think Age of Accountability is a Biblical concept. In spite of the passage in Isaiah, which is geared toward the prophecy concerning Jesus (the verse before talks about the virgin birth of Immanuel), there is no other doctrine that indicates just because children do not know right from wrong that they are innocent of the wages of sin. It's pretty clear that the wages of sin is death, and that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (why would "all" mean "all....but not kids?").
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Even humans do this. The phrase "ignorance of the law is no excuse" means that if I speed and say, "But gee officer, I didn't know"....odds are I'm still getting a ticket. It also implies that if cognition between right and wrong is the prerequisite for guilt, then we should simply keep our children ignorant of God's law: then they would all be saved because they never knew right from wrong other than in some vague moral sense. They could just follow man's law and never worship God, trust in him, love him, or be found in anyway responsible for transgressing the 1st three commandments. I think that's pretty obviously dangerous theology.
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The problem when we try to put our human understanding on all of this is we think kids are innocent (anyone out there with kids can attest this isn't true!) and do not deserve punishment. Well....the Bible is clear: ALL HAVE SINNED. There is no one righteous: no not one. Why do we say "all" doesn't mean ALL? Why do we redefine "no one"? That's the bad news....
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The good news is Jesus reconciled THE WORLD unto himself, which also includes....children. Babies. The mentally retarded who may never "know right from wrong" regardless of how old they are. The Alzheimer's patient who forgets right from wrong. The person with garden variety dementia who forgets morality.
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What I believe is what the Bible teaches. #1 the Word of God never returns without fulfilling it's purpose. #2 babies are capable of responding to human voices, even in the womb (John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth's womb) #3 God's grace is greater than man's limitations. Ergo, by hearing the word of God (even in utero), babies can encounter and respond to God's word and can be saved according to his good and gracious will. Not because of some age of accountability man tries to shoe-horn into scripture based on our faulty assumptions.
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If Age of accountability is a doctrine, then we have many, MANY unanswered questions vs. the blessed assurance of God's mercy and grace.
People don't go to hell because they've sinned otherwise we all would be doomed there. They go to hell for rejecting the gospel. Can children understand a gospel therefore have the ability to chose it or reject it?
Gods mercy and love endureth forever.
Age of accountability is a church doctrine from the traditions of man.
How do you reconcile the possibility of a baby's response to the Word of God in some inchoate form, with your Scripture's celebration of infanticide (Psalm 137 : 9)? Would those babies have been given the opportunity to hear the Word of God before they were slaughtered?
These videos are very insightful. Frank your content is generally very thought provoking.
I do wonder though why in the discussion of free will the reformed position of the bondage of the will is seldom put forward. Maybe it's because I haven't watched enough Videos, or I just see the Q+A so didn't get the whole talk.
Martin Luther(and Augustine before him) put forward the idea that the will is in bondage to sin. That is humanity's whole being, including the will, is in bondage to sin. I don't know the references off hand, but it is Biblical.
In addition to this people make choices based on desire. You choose left or right because you desire left or right more than the other. According to this position humans can't/won't choose God because they don't desire him. Im not sure if its can't/won't, either way the end result is humanity refusing to choose God in their sin.
Because of this in order to choose God the Holy Spirit has to be at work in you to regenerate you in order for you to choose God. That is God changes your desires. If God didn't give people a new heart then they would not ultimately choose him. God had to to choose those he would save according to the mercy he chose to give of his own accord. This is Scriptural under the doctrine of election.
I realise that Ihave way oversimplified this position, as well as not giving the Scriptires for it, mostly because I don't know them off hand.
Now my question is How does this position, which is backed by Scripture, fit into the idea of free will? Does free will even exist? Why do we not discuss God choosing when we discuss free will?
Even though a 2-3-4 year old sins? That sin isn’t imputed to them. Still innocent. But when a child is old enough to KNOW they are lying, stealing etc….. then the sin IS imputed to them,and at that point become guilty before the LORD.and they need to repent and be born again,
In exactly what way is our will untethered? It would seem what a clarification as to what we our untethered from is required to sustain the idea of "free will".
Everyone laughing at the thumbnail but surely I’m not the only one not laughing at a knife in a toddlers hand... ha.
Senseiii🙌
God made the earth this way to glorify Himself in giving mercy to wretched sinners in their salvation and giving justice to other wretched sinners in their damnation
God created the earth and it was good. Humans chose sin over obedience and because of our sin the earth was cursed.
@@LPH-11 I agree and would only add that in eternity past it was Gods foreordained plan that humanity would fall and that he would send a savior to redeem a people for Himself. In other words, the fall did not catch God off guard. He knew it would happen. And had a plan in eternity past to glorify His Son by it.
@@cjfoster4179 This is all His plan. A lot of things will remain a mystery because of our finite minds. I think when we meet our maker we will immediately fully understand that this was His perfect plan and it couldn't have happened any other way. In our understanding and not understanding it's our trust and faith in God that we can know His plan is perfect. We should thank Him everyday for His long suffering, patience, mercy grace and His sacrificial love for us through His Son that one day we will be with Him for eternity. God Bless my friend!
I think a better question is:"Since we all sinned and deserve condemnation and death, why did God send His Son to die for us and rescue us from our sins?". That would put things into better perspective...
Exactly. When god could have simple said “I forgive you”
He came and died and rose again to defeat death, which is the wages of sin.
@@MarkNOTW but everyone dies so...?
@@guitarplyr327 before you go trolling Christians, how about learn the gospel. If you knew the gospel then you’d know the importance of his life,death, and resurrection.
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw sins which he created? How nice of him.
The thumbnails ❤️
From 0:28 thru 0:35 the observation pertains more to Americans than maybe any other Peoples. We're wearing teenager clothing thru to our 80's - sneakers, jeans, message T-shirts, fad haircuts, fad everything else. Eg: See other Cross Examined productions where Ravi Zacharias was consistently the only man dressed as an adult. The civilian peace officer, conversely, almost always wears sneakers & denim jeans & makes sure his badge is visible to the audience & camera. It's being deemed delayed-adulthood &/or prolonged-adolescence. The situation began w/the earlier Baby Boomers who became the counter-culture anti-traditionalists. They refused to grow-up. Youth Pastors nowadays wear skinny-jeans & look like muffins atop vertical skewers. Grey, blue, white-haired, partially-bald or fully - Pastors wear kids clothes while teaching. EnVogue now are boyish Pastors' voices with the sound of puberty.
The Gospel
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Hey christmas is coming up nd I was hoping one of u guys would get me 'I don't have enough faith to be an atheist' as a gift, no?
@Patrick Parkrr ...of faith.
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw hehe, I'm 16 'unfortunately'😂it was a joke when I asked but I would like the book, thanks 4 asking tho
Happy Christmas, thumbnail guy!
Why do you assume it’s a guy?
@@guitarplyr327 C'mon. Ease up a little.
Happy Christmas!
@Eric Drye, Why do you assume LeBron James is the GOAT?
To answer that question simply. God created everyone for his purpose. And that purpose is according to his will. We don't understand clearly that will but as believers we should understand that everything happens for a reason. And sometimes people leave us because it's time for them and not us
Hang on. No one asked to be created or was shown how they would spend eternity based on their decisions in life. However your God knew exactly how it would turn out for every soul
Please pray for my grandma🙏🏻 she has cancer 😣
I'm sure he still never got his question answered....
+Cross Examined Not sure Frank is understanding the question.. think the point is hes saying is if many die before the age of accountability, why did God create things in such a way that people can die before of age of accountability, before they can choose, if the whole reason he gave free will was so we could choose to receive His love? Could the answer be what Geisler suggests, that they can choose in the afterlife?
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw Yea he looked fried or tired by then, im guessing it was the end of the night too. Sure thing man, glad to see you chimed in. Riffing off his answer though, how could God preserve free will and make sure no babies or children die before the age of accountability? Could the necessary implication be He can either make robots and have total control over choices of robots by wiring everything to where they dont die, but then this wouldnt be a moral universe and this question would lose significance because its only inanimate robotic objects "dying" not sentient moral agents.. or He can create us with free will and part of preserving free will means He creates the possibility for the greatest good, love, to be able to be reciprocated, but creating us this way necessitates we can either use or misuse free will and bad things like child deaths occur? Good question btw God bless you too.
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw As a former calvinist, what leads you to believe that Calvinism is true? i'm not sure about choices of babies in the afterlife is true, but something to consider. Am lead to believe this is only a possible explanation that makes more sense if one is coming from more calvinistic, determinist or even moderate calvinist leanings. What lead you to ask the question of Frank btw? Maybe hearing clarification of that would help address it?
@@CollinAllsup-vu1dw K but are you looking for consistency or truth? Could it be something can be consistent, but consistently wrong, correct? 1- All lebanese people have pink tails 2- Jack is lebanese 3- Therefore Jack has a pink tail, is consistent and is a valid logical argument/syllogism, but its completely absurd/not actually true right? While consistency is a test for falsity in that if its inconsistent then its false, but just because its consistent, that doesnt make it true. Or put another way all truth is consistent, but just because something is consistent, that doesnt mean its true. Could it be Calvinism be simply consistent because its a simplistic cartoon answer to a topic we have little info about that takes a lot of research and study to get to the truth concerning?
Right but what does that answer imply? Where are the mechanics of how it works? We dont choose or have free will? Who's saying this, a nature, Gods decrees, or the self? God doesnt make love the point, the highest ethic and goal,? If in calvinism no one does anything because its their natures that do it based on their desires and God gives, the desires made to be there based on His decrees ie God is the efficient cause of evil actions He hates (wut??), how can anyone be held accountable if God and natures are the source and cause of actions, not individual selfs? How can you have such a thing as love and even responsibility without free will, in a world where prior internal wiring and external causes beyond the self ie God and His decrees are the source of actions? What does James 3 say is the efficient cause of actions/what causes the boat to move, the rudder of a ship/the material cause/the material concerning whats being caused, the manufacturer of the ships parts/God, or the captain/self? Could it be every verse concerning moral actions say its the self that is the cause of ones actions not ones nature and not God or His decrees, because free will is self evident and undeniable? Could it be you must cause your own action to ask if you have free will or not or even to deny you have free will? Could it be the only way one could conclude compatablism/determinism/all acts are caused by another is by assuming its true and reading it into the text while reinterpreting verses clearly speaking about free will in a determinism fashion? i can see why someone looking for mere consistency and or looking to avoid personal responsibility would lean towards this but why would someone seeking truth?
But if youre looking for a consistent answer could it be the consistent free will answer, at least one answer could be they choose in the afterlife because they didnt have the ability to choose beforehand? If all youre looking for is mere consistency then you should find this persuasive, but is it true? i dont know. i can see most clearly we have free will because its literally actually undeniable/self, something you cant get wrong because its necessarily implied even in denials of it, i can see less clearly in scripture but clearly enough theres an age of accountability because free will and awareness must be built up/developed to a point one is aware enough to be held accountable for their actions, those like David are encouraged their dead child will be in heaven and we can trust Gods judgment. But i believe all one can do is make informed inferences and educated guesses about how this works because its mechanics arent spelled out. i personally dont have an issue with this because im neither calvinist, molinist nor arminian, and dont see a violation with Him creating the world as a moral world to allow for the possibility of a genuinely reciprocated loving response and Him granting eternal life to those that couldnt choose in this life because their will wasn't violated due to how their awareness wasnt developed enough to be violated, He could have only allowed this to happen to those He knew would have chosen Him and or He gives a choice for them to select this in heaven similar to how the angels had it while being in His presence (as a few reasons). Maybe this is why He brings up their angels in heaven because they're like angels prior to the age of accountability, the reason there such strong and harsh condemnation about harming children? Aside from that it seems clear there's an age of accountability but how could there be such a thing in calvinism? If theyre "responsible" because they have corrupted natures, not because of secondary causes of evil choices, but its done in spite of their choices, what would it matter if they were 2, 7 or 46? Could it be calvin said it pleases God to condemn and doom people from the womb, even though they had not done anything good or bad? So i believe im confused on why calvinism could be persuasive to you if you believe in the age of accountability. i got the answer concerning them choosing in the afterlife partially from Turek in the book Chosen But Free, so was he unable to answer or he was just tired/fried by the end of the night? What do you think ?
I kinda think that hey, if he has a time for where he gives each person a choice to make... It's either there is no "age of accountability"(and that simply shows how horrible evil is, taking lives away), or you'd think that maybe they'd live in a similar place, up 'til that time, then have their choice to make. 'least those are the two competing hypotheses I have atm. What do you think? (whoever reads)
I don’t really see how Turek’s explanation answers the question.
He’s asking what’s the point in the freewill model when some people don’t have to make that choice, and they still automatically go to heaven? Is it really fair?
Maybe babies are judged like everyone, based on what they know and what they’ve done... which usually isn’t much. Maybe it’s not just about freewill but what sins you’ve committed with your freewill?
+Just One Time Good question. Maybe they choose in the afterlife like angels did with requisite knowledge? But i believe this is part of it because its sin that disqualifies you but what sins have babies done and if they have no fully developed awareness to be able to be held accountable, how is the will being violated if they go to heaven prior to the age of accountability?
+Just One Time Good question. Maybe they choose in the afterlife like angels did with requisite knowledge? But i believe this is part of it because its sin that disqualifies you but what sins have babies done and if they have no fully developed awareness to be able to be held accountable, how is the will being violated if they go to heaven prior to the age of accountability?
Not sure if + or @ works now as a tag for a response hmm
I’ve heard Frank’s answer about those who never heard. That the universe could be organized in a way so that only those who would positively respond do actually hear the gospel. But that’s contrary to Matthew 11: 20-24
Key word “Could be” he made that clear “Could be” not that it is
@@tinanikkillz8570 Yeah but as a Christian apologist he should acknowledge when a theory contradicts scripture
I have a problem with the Age of Accountability. If someone goes to Heaven if they die before a certain age, wouldn't it be a blessing to kill a child before they reached that age to assure they go to Heaven? Wouldn't it be even better to not have children at all? I hope this question makes sense.
It would be better, if God didn’t give us salvation. People aren’t forced to go to Hell; they select that destination for themselves. To prevent someone from making the wrong choice by preventing or destroying their existence is the wrong solution to this problem.
It makes sense. I think the problem is not with the age of accountability, but with the rejection of the resurrection. Once you accept that dead people are dead until the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, a lot of these issues fade away. (Acts 24:15)
To me, the only thing that makes sense is predestination. God decides for his own devine purposes who will go to Heaven and who will go to Hell. Anything else has too many logical problems. There are some problems with Predestination, but not as many as with free choice.
@@Robertwct17 predestination makes God the author of wickedness, which makes him wicked by definition. What is the problem with free choice?
@@heyalun the biggest problem to me is what happens to people who die without ever having been exposed to Jesus Christ? There is no free choice there. Do they go to Heaven or Hell? I have never seen a satisfactory analysis of that.
accountability would be when your conscience about what you say and do is right or wrong
Why is there a picture of Cutco knives in the thumbnail?
I dont claim to know exactly what the age of accountability is, it probably varies depending on intelligence etc, but it's not 7 or 8. It's much younger.
Lee strobel tells a story at the end of "the case for Christ." After seeing the change in her father's life, his 4 year old daughter tells her Mother, "Mommy I want God to do for me what he did for Daddy." She initiated that conversation at only 4.
And as the father of 3 children I can assure you, knowledge of right and wrong is given to us very early.
The age of accountability doctrine is created from a single verse which Frank Turek mentioned. It's never a good idea to create a doctrine from a single verse when the verse is unclear, or could have different meanings.
If I remember correctly, Frank Turek believes in the idea of an "inherited sin nature" which is a misunderstanding of Romans 5:12-14. This inherited sin nature doctrine means that we are punished for Adam's sin, not for the sin we commit. We are punished for who we are, not what we do. So, it follows that people who don't know right from wrong are sent to Hell because they are not being punished by their actions anyway.
You are a fool. The age of accountability is when a person has knowledge of sin.
@@Christ_died_for_your_sins_777. Yes, but my point was that god condemns people for their sin nature (from a misunderstanding of Romans) not for their actions. So, it doesn't matter if people know they are sinning or not. They are condemned for their spiritual biology.
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 My understanding of the age of accountability is the belief that God saves all those who die never having possessed the ability to make a decision for or against Christ.
@Zeddicus Zorrander, Are you an agnostic theist?
@@Mike00513 I am not convinced a god exists. I am a former Christian who took my religion seriously. But when I saw reality did not line up with my view of god, and I saw god being immoral in the Bible, i rejected Christianity.
I dont know if you answer questions from your UA-cam followers but I cant come to your meetings. I dont live nearby. But, if God can create something out of nothing, can he make something nothing? Essentially removing them from existence? And if so, why doesn't he do that to Lucifer instead of throwing him in the lake of fire? Or would that go against his nature seeing as how he is a God of life?
Where in the Bible does it say that our purpose is to choose God? If that view is wrong, then there's no argument
Thumbnails on these are genius
Fastest I've ever clicked a video
Allow me to give an interpretation. God knew us before the earth was formed and he knew who would accept him and who wouldn't. In God's wisdom he allows the wicked to live long lives, giving themselves maximum opportunities to repent. Then in the judgment they will know that they were given every opportunity, but obstinately chose their own way. Yet those children who died young, are already known of God to be His.
For the righteous, any moment can be their last on this earth, as God seeks to spare us from heartbreak to come.
I believe that there is an age of accountability but I don’t think you can be dogmatic about it.
Amazing how God can call a mulligan for people who die young, but can't do so for adults.
There is only the illusion of free will if God can ultimately do whatever he wants regardless of our own choice. If you believe God answers prayers or that he performs miracles, then we are only as free to choose as he wants us to be.
There are many paths to take and we travel these paths from the choices we make. If we pray for a miracle, God can let it come through if He pleases. We chose to pray...now it's God's choice wether or not to grant that miracle. His choice depends on wether or not the time is right and the later effects. If God should grant us our every choice of desire, He would no longer be a just God, but just supm like a genie.
@@ahliyahbrown7802 right, so what you just said reiterated my point; there would be no “free will” if God existed. Only the illusion. After all, our lives would ultimately play out the way he wanted them to and not the way we might wish them to.
@@Tennethums1 If someone gave you the score for a football game that they watched but you haven't, while watching the game, even though you know the outcome, your knowledge will not affect what the players did to achieve that outcome.
@@ahliyahbrown7802 no, but if God decides that an attempted field goal will be successful when it wouldn’t have been otherwise then no matter what play that player chose...he would succeed per Gods wishes.
That’s not free will. That’s being Gods puppet.
You simply cannot have free will and hold the belief that God intervenes, answers prayers, etc.
Period.
@@Tennethums1 If God answers prayers didn't we choose to pray? That's the choice, to have Him intervene through prayer.
Tbh... (From personal experiences)...I have always been a Christian. But I did have my choices. God might let me know that it's going to lead me down a bad path. It's fun so I don't listen. Then whenever I'm at crossroads I realize that He knew...but I didn't listen. I made my choice so I paid the consequences.
That one time I was cutting a glue seal with scissors...God said not to but I did anyways. I made that choice and the outcome was very expected. Why, cause I was warned yet chose not to heed. Almost sliced my finger off. Didn't even bother wincing. These are our choices. He knows what will happen if you take path one, two, three, or four.
Frank that's not in Isaiah 8 its Isaiah 7:16, but anyways this is fabulous
Some interesting tidbits here, but the discussion on "free will" is horrible. Huge swaths of Scripture are glossed over which clearly teach that as fallen (pre-fall Adam and Eve had a morally free will) humans our moral will is now bound in sin...in fact we are dead in sin and by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2). Making true, uncoerced choices (which we do make according to what we desire) is NOT the same as a morally free will that will choose the highest good - God. This is why a person must be born again/regenerated by a Sovereign act of God the Holy Spirit in order to even see the kingdom of heaven (John 3). David said he was born in iniquity (Ps 51), for example. The whole "age of accountability" teaching doesn't square with the teaching of original sin inherited from our natural father Adam.
Wonder if he meant to put CUTCO knives
No. David did not know of the resurrection or even life in God's kingdom. No. Plain language understanding. David expected simply to be buried with his deceased son. Are you aware of Martin Luther's "Bondage of the Will"?
At a certain age we humans are accountable for our sins when we become aware at teen age
My 4 year old knowingly lies to me. Does she deserve to go to hell?
@@guitarplyr327 she is young and still learning but when she hits pueberty and is aware that lying hurts people and stuff. But teach her about sin and right and wrong
@@coolguy9709 so should teenagers be tried as adults?
@@guitarplyr327 depends if they are 16
@@coolguy9709 some 16 year olds are not tried as adults
The free will I had before conversion was based on my sin nature alone. It’s was when God came to me and made me alive while I was dead in my sin that I could will to choose Him. The glory belongs all to God alone.
We are saved by grace through faith. Faith comes by hearing the gospel. Faith to believe doesnt come from God.
@@MarkNOTW I believe it does brother. Unless God grants you the faith and changes your heart you cannot believe. Paul reminds us that we were hostile to the things of God. We were the enemies of God. The children of the devil. It is God who saves us it is a gift from God.
@@tommasolombardi3520
*_"Unless God grants you the faith and changes your heart you cannot believe."_*
Do you even understand the implications of your claim?
You're making God out to be someone that decides on His own who will believe in Him and who will not - thus making the case that those who go to 'heaven' only go to 'heaven' because God gave them the faith required for it, whereas those that go to 'hell' only go to 'hell' because God refused to give them the faith required to go to 'heaven'. This makes God who Satan accuses Him of being: _evil._ It also means we have no free will to choose God for ourselves or not. And if we have no free will concerning whether we decide to believe in God or not and if we have no free will in whether we sin or not; then we are not to blame for the things we do, regardless of what we do. And so if we have no free will, then God is unjust for deciding what we do and then punish us for doing what He forced us to do because it's not what He wants us to do.
The sheer foolishness of this claim is unbelievable and proves that you most likely haven't thought about this at all; or it proves that your intellectual ability is so low that you cannot actually understand the implications of your own claims. Whatever the case is: think again, think further and think better.
*_"Paul reminds us that we were hostile to the things of God. We were the enemies of God. The children of the devil."_*
Paul wrote this almost 2,000 years ago to people who grew up hating the true God; Paul did not speak to 21st century Christians who have learned from early childhood to love and obey God. And the only time Paul ever accused someone of being "a son of the devil" is when he confronted a Jewish magician and false prophet named Bar-Jesus (Acts 13:4-12). You cannot therefore apply this to everyone in the world almost 2,000 years later.
@@CrippledSuns Exactly!
@NicoCoco Yes. Praise the Lord who provided a way unto salvation, who saved us by His grace when we heard the gospel and chose to believe! Eph 2:8-9
It comes down to sin. God created this world good, humans choose sin over obedience. The earth was cursed because of our sin.
Indeed. Most people will say something along the lines of “so if I don’t accept Jesus, I won’t go to heaven and I’ll end up in hell?” No, you don’t go to heaven because of the fact that we have sinned; Jesus wants to take away that sin from us but because we didn’t let him do that, we inevitably suffer the consequence of those actions.
@@AngelitoHernandizo Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 11:25,26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
God bless my friend!
I like how he glosses over that “ David’s baby died “. Not mentioning that god killed David’s baby and had the baby suffer for seven days for the sins of David ...
Hey now. He didn’t kill his baby. God can’t commit murder. Me merely “transitions” people. Lol
But at the same time David put himself in that situation and God even spared his life by placing the death on the child. Even after the child’s death it had a place in heaven while David remained and suffered the guilt and weight of his sin
@@magnumbeans8030 oh that makes sense! An innocent child was killed so one man could continue to suffer. Praise be to god.
Miguel M “ .. after the child’s death it had a place in heaven ..”. So why are people so opposed to abortion ? Are they just jealous that babies get to skip this testing period on earth and are spared a chance to end up in hell ??
And David didn’t suffer and carry the guilt. He immediately started to eat and got busy on having a replacement baby
@@usray3219 Because abortion is a sin. Life comes from God and He has the right to take it away. You commit murder when you abort your child.
Frank answers about age accountability is not fine..
As i remember in the bible, God will search your heart & knowledge & judges you by that... if you seek Him & live according to his will base on your knowledge..
Remember God is love & justice...
Btw.. yes, thumbnail this times good.. hehehhe.. thumbs up for the thumbnail..
That's one verse, and by that logic an infant that cannot form proper sentences who died will go to hell because he didn't seek God and follow his ways
@@JJustJ-yb9wh nope infant... will go directly to heaven.. heaven belongs to them...
That verse is to people that can think for themselves..
@@daddada2984 that's the same kind of answer that Frank have so what's the problem?
@@JJustJ-yb9wh i didn't hear about the knowledge that you have & judge by it.. that is the problem i think...
God is written in our dna
Consciousness
Morality
The spirit resides in us
People need excuses for everything
God created all things
Other primates have very similar DNA sequence to ours, are conscious and show moral behaviour. Is God written in them too? Can we find other primates in heaven/hell too?
@@FrainBart_main
The only similarity we have is the creator actually our dna is vastly different in code like comparing carrots to whales lol
@@jasongraham8952 So we (humans and other animals) all have a creator but we are the preferred species of God? Tell this to all the people expecting to see their deceased pets in heaven. And none of the animal or plant species have been created as stated in the bible. We are a product of evolution by natural selection.
We share about 97 % of our DNA with chimpanzees, some sources say the figure is as high as about 99 %. Approximately the same overlap can be seen between humans and orangutans or gorillas. These are facts that cannot and should not be dismissed. The similarities are endless, from genes to anatomy to behavioral patterns. The big difference is that we have the mental capabilities to produce imagined realities, religion obviously being one of them.
It sounds like he's essentially asking "How is that fair?"
And the answer is that you weren't ever promised a fair life. The bible says the opposite; you could die at any point, so you better take it seriously and get with God while you're still breathing.
not he question is why some have the ability to choose God and some don't, if Hitler was aborted would he be in heaven?
@@CroElectroStile Yes? Because if he were aborted, he wouldn't have been able to live and commit sin?
@@CroElectroStile It's only in hindsight that we can say Hitler shouldn't have been born. If you had encountered Hitler the day he was born, he would have had every right to live as your own children.
@@ShadowKirbz If you believe that babies go straight to heaven and that as they grow up, they start committing sins and maybe don't pray to the right God, and will therefore run the risk that they don't go to heaven, do you also believe that it would therefore be better to kill babies before they start sinning? After all, that would send them straight to heaven, wouldn't it?
@@hansdemos6510 No? What if we had used that logic on anyone who had invented medicine? Cool, they're in heaven, but you just sabotaged the help they could have provided to people still on earth.
Frank's thumbnail guy/girl needs their own channel!
So how old is the age of accountability?
Isaiah 7:15-16
@@jeffchristie9561 what exactly does verse 16 mean
@@matthewjr.626 per Ryrie NIV Study Bible notes, synopsized & paraphrased - overall, it's a prophecy-timeline of by-when two Nations, eventually known to include Syria's & Judah's territories, would be captured. W/in twelve years of this prophecy, Damascus & Israel were sacked (732-722 BC-BCE). Initially, an unmarried virgin married Isaiah & conceived a child, who was later twelve to fourteen years of age by time this prophecy proved-out. ... Aside from that, it's alluding to when a typical youth of the era could discern morals, or be held accountable. Same age as when Jesus stayed behind at the Synagogue & asked many bright & amazing questions. His Parents didn't notice His absence from their return-migration for three days, also amazingly. Later, three calendar-days in the tomb. Earlier, Jonah was three days in the fish. Interesting stuff!
it's like this dude wants kids to go to hell??, what wouldn't he want to believe i
that it's a good thing that kids and babies who die prematurely go to heaven? even if you didn't choose God explicitly, heaven is the literal best place your soul should ever end up
The thumbnail bro 🤣😂
No such thing as free will.
Rev George
Maybe people who died before the age of accountability will be reborn in the millennium kingdom for them to make their choice again?
Well it wouldn't be "again".
Definitely missing the point. We don't have free will because we have to choose God or do not choose God. We have free will because we are made in the image of God. The knowledge of good and evil allows us to exercise that free will to do either right or wrong. There are countless right choices we can make and countless wrong choices we can make with every discision.
Regardless....Those who die under the age of accountability go to Heaven due to the fact that sin is not attributed to them because Christ took their sins on Himself at the cross. In fact sin isn't attributed to anyone because of that fact.
When someone reaches the age of accountability what determines where they go when they die is whether or not they are reconciled to God. Reconciliation is through belief in the finished work of the cross. Those who believe are imputed the righteousness of Christ. Only those who are deemed righteous, through the blood of Jesus, will become part of the Body of Christ through faith....not of works. Those who are incapable of making that decision are already deemed righteous, but not of their own righteousness. No one will go to Heaven due to their own righteousness.
People do not understand that before Jesus died...everyone went to Hell. Those that were righteous in God's eyes went to a place in Hell called Abraham's Bosom which also was called Paradise by Jesus. When Jesus died and descended to Hell...it was to preach the message of His victory and redeem the righteous dead...taking Paradise out of Hell therefore enlarging Hell. He set the captives free for the righteous dead were still captives in Hell before Jesus's death and resurrection.
The example of David and his baby being in Heaven is false. They were both in Paradise in Hell. Now that Paradise is no longer in Hell...they are still there with all the Old Testament Saints awaiting the First Resurrection. The First Resurrection happens at the end of the Tribulation Period. The Rapture of the Body of Christ is not part of the First Resurrection. The Rapture was a mystery revealed to Paul and will take place before the start of the Tribulation Period.
So what age will my gran be in heaven?
Because I won’t recognise her as a young lady.
Hmm. I have actually thought about something similar to that. I would suppose we will be able to recognize each other but at the same time, have bodies cloaked with immortality and incorruptibility..
@@AngelitoHernandizo
But if she’s a younger lady, I won’t even know her.
Can’t I have her as the nice old lady she was?
@Frank Slim, I don’t have the clear answer to that but you might recognize her from the face resemblance.
@@Mike00513
What if I’m blind?
@Frank Slim, Blindness and defects in the human body’s won’t exist in Heaven for Christianity. Our bodies will be perfect.
Thinking out loud here as I heard a good sermon on this the other day, but I believe you could make the case that kids go to heaven because Jesus died for their sins. Jesus tasted death for “everyone.” Not everyone goes to heaven, but what if kids don’t have capacity to believe because they are too young? Why would they be punished ? I don’t think they would be and God could apply Jesus payment to their account. Now, once children reach the age of accountability(maybe some don’t because of mental issues), they KNOW right from wrong and THEIR sins ((not Adam’s) become countable against them. Our justice system doesn’t send a Juvenile to prison (in most situations) because we understand they are not fully culpable - kids are not held to the same accountability as adults in OUR justice system. So I think the Lord can show grace to these kids (and mentally handicap) because Jesus died for their sins(nature), but once they hit accountability, whatever age that is, or maybe they don’t because they are mentally handicap, they need to have made a decision to accept or reject the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Jesus in every situation gets all of the glory as He should!
Hi, hope you're doing well. The scriptures don't seem to give any direct answers as to what happens to children when they die (or rather anyone who are not capable of making accountable moral decisions), but I believe that based on God's character, purposes and methods described in his word, that no such person will be damned nor even be given eternal life with God without having the opportunity to consciously make that decision. There are potential hints as to what happens in the Bible, but they make a fairly weak case in and of themselves. However, the best possible conclusion that I've been able to come up with (and I'm not the first to think this), whether I'm right or wrong, is that people who die in an unaccountable state are raised to physical life during the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth and are then allowed to grow up to accountability and make a choice at that time. Here are some verses that come closest to approaching this subject:
(Luke 18:16) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
(Matthew 18:10) Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
(2 Samuel 12:22-23) And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? {23} But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
(Zechariah 8:3-5) Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain. {4} Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age. {5} And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.
(Isaiah 65:20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
May God bless you!
What is the age of accountability?...Well, I'm kinda hoping it's like 110 or something. :)
I believe it’s different for every person. A little girl may mature slightly faster than her twin brother and reach that age, while her twin brother may remain ignorant a little longer. Either way, God is perfectly just so no wrong will come to any child who dies earlier than they should
Funny thumbnail lol
If people had free will everyone could just choose to never be: angry, sad, irritated and so on. Instead they could just choose to love their enemy and forgive everyone everything allways by a simple choice.
Free will doesn't mean independant of emotions and hormones. Your body is pushing you to one side, and your spirit is resisting. It has been designed this way as a way to test our true colors.
Resisting and building up our willpower is very important, and that is the reason the Bible says to fast regularly. You are going against your bodily needs, so you can better control them.
God knows it's very difficult for us to resist every time, he doesn't expect perfection from us. This is why we are saved by faith, and not by works. The works are just a proof that you believe, so you try your best to live according to Jesus' instructions out of belief.
This is the whole concept of confession. You confess the things you do wrongly even though you tried, and God forgives.
The world you are describing is probably going to be like that in heaven, where people will have bodies that don't age and no sexual needs, and there will be nothing tempting us to sin there.
So this is just a temporary way of life. We can still make the hard choice, but it is hard, and it is designed to be.
@@dimitrisleo What you stated is a lie. Cause in churches some sins are more accepted than others even if you excuse that the flesh led you to it. The people that live in sin according to christians, by driving one mile over the speed limit regulary are accepted but not those that are sexual deviant once in a while. Hypocracy?
@@dimitrisleo Nowhere in the bible is there summed up a hierarchy among sins yet religion make their own. The reason they do this is the lack of so called free will. This notion makes christians performance focused by "climbing" on others to feel their sin is not as bad as other sins. The cheerleading church members promote their rich egoistic pastor that fly around the world in their own jet, preaching love but do not live by it. I would rather se any sexual deviant person giving from the little they have instead of preaching anything at all. Do you agree?
David’s baby dies and David says “I will go to him, he will not come to me.” 2 Samuel 12: 23 ???
The problem is, King David’s baby didn’t go to heaven!...
Old Testament Jews, including King David, believed when they die the only go to the grave - Sheol! 1 Kings 2:1,2; Joshua 23:14; Deuteronomy 31:16; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:10; John 3:13; John 11:24
; Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27; John 3:3-6
Why would anyone think the Christian god permits free will? There are myriad examples in the bible where he directly interferes with human affairs.
@Eric Drye, As a Christian all I can say is I’m on the fence. Some things in the Bible look like the person had free will to do what they want but in other scenarios it looks 100% predestined.
@@Mike00513 I think your honesty and open questioning is breath of fresh air on these forums. I think it’s hard to say we definitely have free will when it’s clear god does not allow free will in the Bible. To me, I think Frank is dishonest in asserting this.
@Eric Drye, Yes I think that too it’s hard tell if we have free will or if we are predestined. The love argument for free will looks compelling but just with some of the stories in the Bible alone it looks predestined. I don’t Frank Turek is being dishonest I think he just wholeheartedly believes we have free will.
@@guitarplyr327 What?? Almost every page of the Bible has an example of free will. If we dont have free will, then why are we told over and over and over again that in order to be saved, we must believe? If we cant freely believe, then why will God allow some to perish for a choice they couldnt make?? He wouldnt.
@@MarkNOTW ummm Jonah?
God did give everyone a chance to believe or not to believe His son Jesus died and saved us from our sins. So those who die before 7years old below they are not accountable. So above 7years old onward are accountable. That why our job as Christian need to share/spread the gospel.
Good News
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Jesus said I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me though he may die, he shall live. John 11:25
Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6
Amen
This guys real statement is... “ I think it’s unfair that babies die and go to heaven but I have to suffer and choose God. “
His arguments against God is well hidden but he is just complaining about having to suffer the consequences of man’s sin.
Age accountability?
Is the law
What scriptures preaches this law?
Law is the old school master
A foreshadow of great things to come.
Jesus Christ is Grace
Greatest love story
Prove it or preach law
Nonsense cody will decide who lives and who dies. But dr turek will stop him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cody😭😭😭 I wonder when he will be back