Although a lot can be learned watching Fed's forehand and backhand during practice, it doesn' t really show the dynamics of a truly great FH/BH. What i want to see is the slowmotion of Fed's Forehand and Backhand Winners during actual tour play. There the footwork, spin, racket position, etc. is at its best. That is just so interesting to see and imitate!
I love how people always admire Nadal's forehand saying it has so much power and spin, completely forgetting that he plays a large headsize tweener style racket, which is designed to produce power and spin, supported by a full bed of RPM Blast, a string which is extremely spin friendly. Federer on the other hand plays with natural gut (very powerful but not spin friendly) in the mains (which are mostly responsible for topspin and slice) and Alu power rough in the crosses and with a 90 sq inch sized racket designed for control and he plays almost as much spin as Nadal, but even more power. This suggests just how incredible his technique is on the forehand.
This suggests how ignorant you are. Natural gut gives much more better feeling than synthetic gut. Also Federer uses 22 kg tension on the mains and 20.5 kg tension on the crosses while Nadal is using 25 kg in both mains and crosses (lower tension increases power). And Nadal's racket is not designed for powerful groundstrokes, but for heavy topspin ones (telling it by experience), while Federer's racket gives easy power, not spin though. And people admire Nadal's forehand as much as Federer's, if not less.
δ I've played with both rackets... The APD gives much more power (and especially spin), I have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, Federer plays natural gut which has a better feel... And this has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. The smaller Headsize will provide considerably less power, even with this 'soft' setup. And sorry, me being ignorant? I just commented on my observation that lately people tend to admire Nadal's forehand a lot, saying it is more effective than Federer's (my experience must not coincide with yours mind you). And another thing, Federer's racket has a much smaller sweet spot, which makes it less cohesive for shots with heavy spin, or generally hitting the ball cleanly, especially at a pros level. Taking all this into consideration I expressed my opinion on how incredible Federer's forehand is; I don't see the ignorance in that.
ninisgreekronaldo Federer 's forehand IS incredible, i don't defy that. I just give some stats that help Federer very much. As for the APD, it's up to the hand of the player. That's my sense. That APD help nothing on power. Fed's racket and string set up help him give power and Nadal's racket and string set up help him give spin. As for the sweet spot, Federer doesn't hit the ball at the center of the racket, which provides the best possible feeling, but closer to the dead spot, which provides even more power. This shot will be successful only if the player has a good feeling, which feeling is given by the natural gut (and the natural talent of the player of course). All the other players hit the ball at the center of the racket.
δ I'll tell you this much: I used to play the APD and I strung a full bed of pro hurricane tour at 27 kg. Pro hurricane tour provides less power than RPM Blast and it still was a hugely powerful setup, so powerful in fact that I recently switched rackets as I felt I was losing my range from time to time. When I hit the Pro Staff 90, not only was it difficult to hit cleanly, it also was difficult to play powerfully. Swinging flat on the ball with the APD resulted in an uncontrollable homerun, whereas the PS90 was still very much controllable and cohesive to such shots. The APD is very cohesive to hitting spin because it is powerful. It generally is designed for players that play a heavy spin, which implies less moving through the ball and more brushing it upwards. Imagine a low powered racket that produces so much spin for such a player; each shot would land in the service box. Also, though the swingweight and plowthrough of the PS90 make it easy to swing through the ball (create power) the small sweetspot makes it immensely difficult to hit with spin. The incredible thing about Federer's forehand is not only its power (and I never said that), but its diversity. To play such whippy shots with so much spin and with such a difficult racket and string setup as well is incredibly impressive. If you've ever seen Fed's forehand from the rear view, you'll see the ball arch extremely which shows just how much spin is on the ball. About your comment that Fed doesn't strike the ball in the middle, I never observed that, but you may be right, I don't know. All I know is that he is one of the few players who plays his forehand with his arm fully extended if possible, which gives him that great access to spin and power but requires incredible timing and coordination, another thing I greatly admire.
ninisgreekronaldo It's difficult to play powerfully because it's difficult to have a good control with the Pro Staff 90 because it's not very forgiving. On the other hand APD is a very forgiving racket. With the Pro Staff 90 you 'll have a great or an awful shot, and nothing in between. Also APD helps topspin because it has a lite swing. Test APD and PS90 by hitting with a western forehand grip. Also, Federer gives spin with this racket because he uses too much the wrist. If another player, it would end up with a wrist injury. He just has a very flexible wrist. Everyone admires Fed's forehand more than Nadal's. It's considered to be technically better. Nadal's forehand though causes more trouble due to the high topspin rate in all of the shot. It causes problem's to the backhand of his oponnents.
Federer's technique is actually harder to copy. He has a very fast wrist action and also his arm is fully stretched at the contact point which implies very good timing which is difficult to achieve for recreational players.
But Djokovic's style has higher physical conditioning demand. Most recreational players aren't strong enough to play like him. While Federer's techniques are less physically demanding, and we can even copy some of his shots.
lol djokers western forehand is in no way the best. its simply a defensive "moonball" forehand much like murray/nadal. At least nadal covers this with tremendous racket head speed to get some court penetration.
LMAO recreational players have no where near the cover/wrist action/timing needed to compare to federer's technique. If anything copying federer's eastern based grip and style is worse. He makes it look easy; that's partially why he's considered the greatest. Djokovic uses the more modern semi western. Although fed changes grip based on the shot he wants to hit, there is no reason to ever think it's easier to replicate fed over djoko.
Roger need more high preparation for the forehand , and low preparation for backhand , also need to accentuate de 45% angle body rotation . Djokovic have better style . I always had played like Roger, but we need to improve always .
lol god no... federer has much more racket head speed and penetration than djokers full western forehand. Nadal and Fed have the greatest forehands of all time without a doubt. Djoker wins with endurance and a great backhand.
I could watch these videos all day
Me too, me too :):)
Same
I would love to see a side by side comparison/analise between his techniques changing over the your till now.
Thanks! gonna watch this everyday.
Although a lot can be learned watching Fed's forehand and backhand during practice, it doesn' t really show the dynamics of a truly great FH/BH. What i want to see is the slowmotion of Fed's Forehand and Backhand Winners during actual tour play. There the footwork, spin, racket position, etc. is at its best. That is just so interesting to see and imitate!
nice footage. thank you!
Dude, Fed has the best forehand on tour :S
I love how people always admire Nadal's forehand saying it has so much power and spin, completely forgetting that he plays a large headsize tweener style racket, which is designed to produce power and spin, supported by a full bed of RPM Blast, a string which is extremely spin friendly. Federer on the other hand plays with natural gut (very powerful but not spin friendly) in the mains (which are mostly responsible for topspin and slice) and Alu power rough in the crosses and with a 90 sq inch sized racket designed for control and he plays almost as much spin as Nadal, but even more power. This suggests just how incredible his technique is on the forehand.
This suggests how ignorant you are. Natural gut gives much more better feeling than synthetic gut. Also Federer uses 22 kg tension on the mains and 20.5 kg tension on the crosses while Nadal is using 25 kg in both mains and crosses (lower tension increases power). And Nadal's racket is not designed for powerful groundstrokes, but for heavy topspin ones (telling it by experience), while Federer's racket gives easy power, not spin though.
And people admire Nadal's forehand as much as Federer's, if not less.
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I've played with both rackets... The APD gives much more power (and especially spin), I have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, Federer plays natural gut which has a better feel... And this has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. The smaller Headsize will provide considerably less power, even with this 'soft' setup. And sorry, me being ignorant? I just commented on my observation that lately people tend to admire Nadal's forehand a lot, saying it is more effective than Federer's (my experience must not coincide with yours mind you). And another thing, Federer's racket has a much smaller sweet spot, which makes it less cohesive for shots with heavy spin, or generally hitting the ball cleanly, especially at a pros level. Taking all this into consideration I expressed my opinion on how incredible Federer's forehand is; I don't see the ignorance in that.
ninisgreekronaldo Federer 's forehand IS incredible, i don't defy that. I just give some stats that help Federer very much. As for the APD, it's up to the hand of the player. That's my sense. That APD help nothing on power. Fed's racket and string set up help him give power and Nadal's racket and string set up help him give spin.
As for the sweet spot, Federer doesn't hit the ball at the center of the racket, which provides the best possible feeling, but closer to the dead spot, which provides even more power. This shot will be successful only if the player has a good feeling, which feeling is given by the natural gut (and the natural talent of the player of course). All the other players hit the ball at the center of the racket.
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I'll tell you this much: I used to play the APD and I strung a full bed of pro hurricane tour at 27 kg. Pro hurricane tour provides less power than RPM Blast and it still was a hugely powerful setup, so powerful in fact that I recently switched rackets as I felt I was losing my range from time to time. When I hit the Pro Staff 90, not only was it difficult to hit cleanly, it also was difficult to play powerfully. Swinging flat on the ball with the APD resulted in an uncontrollable homerun, whereas the PS90 was still very much controllable and cohesive to such shots. The APD is very cohesive to hitting spin because it is powerful. It generally is designed for players that play a heavy spin, which implies less moving through the ball and more brushing it upwards. Imagine a low powered racket that produces so much spin for such a player; each shot would land in the service box. Also, though the swingweight and plowthrough of the PS90 make it easy to swing through the ball (create power) the small sweetspot makes it immensely difficult to hit with spin. The incredible thing about Federer's forehand is not only its power (and I never said that), but its diversity. To play such whippy shots with so much spin and with such a difficult racket and string setup as well is incredibly impressive. If you've ever seen Fed's forehand from the rear view, you'll see the ball arch extremely which shows just how much spin is on the ball. About your comment that Fed doesn't strike the ball in the middle, I never observed that, but you may be right, I don't know. All I know is that he is one of the few players who plays his forehand with his arm fully extended if possible, which gives him that great access to spin and power but requires incredible timing and coordination, another thing I greatly admire.
ninisgreekronaldo It's difficult to play powerfully because it's difficult to have a good control with the Pro Staff 90 because it's not very forgiving. On the other hand APD is a very forgiving racket. With the Pro Staff 90 you 'll have a great or an awful shot, and nothing in between.
Also APD helps topspin because it has a lite swing. Test APD and PS90 by hitting with a western forehand grip. Also, Federer gives spin with this racket because he uses too much the wrist. If another player, it would end up with a wrist injury. He just has a very flexible wrist.
Everyone admires Fed's forehand more than Nadal's. It's considered to be technically better. Nadal's forehand though causes more trouble due to the high topspin rate in all of the shot. It causes problem's to the backhand of his oponnents.
Federer's technique is actually harder to copy. He has a very fast wrist action and also his arm is fully stretched at the contact point which implies very good timing which is difficult to achieve for recreational players.
I like the video
But Djokovic's style has higher physical conditioning demand. Most recreational players aren't strong enough to play like him. While Federer's techniques are less physically demanding, and we can even copy some of his shots.
The guy on the other side of the net can hit some balls as well!
Sara Errani in the other court!
4:00 schiavone on the other court? Haha.
Fed should just work on backhands when sparring. It'll give him more angles for that muscle memory...
it was schiavone actually.
lol djokers western forehand is in no way the best. its simply a defensive "moonball" forehand much like murray/nadal. At least nadal covers this with tremendous racket head speed to get some court penetration.
ラケット変えて良かったね。
LMAO recreational players have no where near the cover/wrist action/timing needed to compare to federer's technique. If anything copying federer's eastern based grip and style is worse. He makes it look easy; that's partially why he's considered the greatest.
Djokovic uses the more modern semi western. Although fed changes grip based on the shot he wants to hit, there is no reason to ever think it's easier to replicate fed over djoko.
Roger need more high preparation for the forehand , and low preparation for backhand , also need to accentuate de 45% angle body rotation . Djokovic have better style . I always had played like Roger, but we need to improve always .
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who's that hot chick on the background? white midrift :)
lol god no... federer has much more racket head speed and penetration than djokers full western forehand. Nadal and Fed have the greatest forehands of all time without a doubt. Djoker wins with endurance and a great backhand.
At least say Nadal. Novak does not even have a chance at best forehand on tour.
Dude Your mother , Federer had the best forehand when he was young , not now . Djokovic have the best forehand in tour .
but djkovic´s style is boring, roger´s is not.
Boring and Deffensive.