Hey Raelan and Sarah! So nice to hear your story Sarah! It is so inspirational for me with moderate-severe ME knowing there is hope and wellness out there for us all. So many people think this is it when they get the diagnosis and I'm so glad it isn't the case for everyone 💜 I related to so so much of this especially doing too much and not being able to rest. Big up for the Celery Juice! Life changer
Great interview! Thanks so much! I can relate to what you said Raelan about getting the flu was a break for you. Before I became ill, I was going all the time. At one time I hurt my ankle and felt like it was a break for me to rest, unfortunately after I healed from that I went back to pushing myself, I didn't listen to what my body needed. Thanks so much Sarah for sharing your story! It gives me hope!
@tanyawieczorek6603 im doing so much better. I still have some pain, but I know I will get over it. Im back to living life again. I walk daily, lift weights at the gym 3 days a week and take tahitian dance! I do everything a normal person would do!
@tanyawieczorek6603 i had it for over 8 yrs..I was bedbound at one time for 8 months straight. Fatigue and whole body flu- like pain were my worst symptoms. I did Pain Free You ( he has a youtube channel , all free stuff). It has helped me so much!
Hey Raelan! Thank you so much for all these recovery stories that give us so much hope! I was wondering if it was possible for you to interview someone who has healed from CFS while also having mental illness or other chronic illness? I know it would give more specific hope to others out there like me! 🙂
So much awesomeness! I've been thinking a lot lately about the role of stressful thoughts in terms of my medical condition and recovery. It's stressful enough just having a chronic illness. That's not to say that I believe that stress is the cause of my illness, but this is an excellent example of someone (Sara) reversing things by changing her thought patterns. It would be interesting to know to what extent stress has a role in ME/CFS. We all seem to be high achievers and running on adrenaline. I stress about having this illness, showing up for others, finances, getting through the day, etc... I have come to realize that have zero tolerance for stress. It really hits me hard, often times as hard as physical activity. Always a thought-provoking interview, Raelan! Thanks again!😁
Thank you for the comment Bobbie. I totally agree with what you are saying and can relate 100%. When I moved to England from Azerbaijan and I was finally in a more ‘relaxed’ environment I felt like my bodies ability and willingness to handle stress dropped dramatically and my tolerance was next to nothing as well. I’m so sorry that you are going through this but I have total hope that you will heal and put this difficult time behind you.
Thanks for this! So glad the lightening process worked for you , Sarah! Just shows that we are all different. I have tried many things including this process and will continue to try other approaches, thanks to Raelan’s encouragement! 💜
Love this interview!! I love Sarah's spirit and found myself nodding along the whole time. The the segment around 33:00 is so good. It really resonates! Another wonderful interview. ❤️
Sarah ... the most beautiful soul I happened to get introduced to at the Horizon Gym Muscat... She's one of the reasons I had been to the gym 5 days a week.... she's an inspiration to me to get healthy and feel healthy... Am shocked beyond words to learn that she had been through this health issue... Sending Sarah loads of healing love ♥ and hugs from Muscat...Avantika
Thank you Raelan and Sarah, I love your sincerity and commitment to helping others. I am fully convinced that my CFS is an ANS dysfunction and so a neurological approach is the way to go. I haven't done any programme, preferring instead to create my own daily regime. I'm at the beginning of focusing on it, so not ready to share just yet! However I'm convinced I'll recover. I recommend following Raelan's posting about how she listens inwards and finds out from her body what action she should be taking to regain her health. I have found this tremendously helpful. It might also help people watching this video to decide if the Lightning Process is the programme for them. Many thanks Raelan, I hope you are taking time to give yourself fun and joy.
Hi. I'm new here and bingeing on all the health recovery stories on the playlist! Thank you for this interview, Raelan, and for sharing your recovery story, Sarah. 💛 I'm so happy that you have both recovered. 😊 @ Sarah Dreyer if you see this comment, can you please tell me if you had to do anything to rid your body of the mould toxicity. I am currently doing a mycotoxins detox since having a test reveal that I have mycotoxins in my body. I have been chronically fatigued for nearly 5 years now. Thank you. 🙏
TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Meet Sarah Dreyer 00:57 Sara’s life before ME/CFS 04:03 How Sarah got ME/CFS 13:50 What the doctors had to say 16:26 How Sarah managed finances while unwell 18:21 What supplements Sarah found helpful 21:06 The diet that works for Sarah 24:17 The final thing that got Sarah back to 100% health 32:22 Barriers to considering recovery options 38:00 Dealing with the trauma of ME/CFS post recovery 40:09 What Sarah’s taken away from all of this 42:39 How to reach Sarah
Raelan, you’re doing a GREAT job! Why does it seem like the recovery stories are from people outside the U.S.? Do you think the American culture impedes recovery? I am on my recovery journey. Thank you! Angel
Hey Angel! That's an interesting question...and I wish I had an answer. I'm sure there are many recovery stories in the US as well, unfortunately there isn't a databank or anything so for me - I am interviewing people that I connect with on Instagram, which is an international community. I do wonder what countries are having the best success rates with recovery?
I was wondering the same thing, but I sadly believe the U.s. Loves to push meds because of big pharma and all the money to be made, they'd rather keep us sick and many doctors don't want to do the research for these conditions and or it won't make them much money🤷♀️
I've been wondering the same thing, so glad you asked Raelan this question! I think the American culture in general is MUCH less healthy than other countries so I think it takes much longer for us to heal because our generational ill health goes back so much further. Also I think because of this Americans generally tend to have more than one type of chronic illness, definitely complicating the healing process. I myself have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome but also have Bipolar, PMDD (Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder), and Fibromyalgia. A lot of things recommended for healing only Chronic Fatigue Syndrome don't tend to work with having other serious chronic illnesses, such as melatonin for sleep, as on the label it will tell you not to use melatonin if you have a depressive disorder, which both Bipolar and PMDD are, and I found out the hard way that is true! Also you have to be so careful with any supplements you take that might work for CFS alone because it might flare up one of the other illnesses, such as taking a natural antidepressant such as SAM-E, when you also have Bipolar you can't take that without also taking a natural mood stabilizer such as Lithium Orotate or it could throw you into a horrible hypomanic or manic episode!
i did The LP and I also felt really good by day 3 BUT on getting home ...down hill pretty quick and no sustained progress in any symptoms :(:( SO bummed . It was almost like an adrenalin/placebo effect. I would feel better too after I spoke to the coach on the phine but then after one day PEM and back to symptoms again. Worked for my young friend tho.
What was it that was keeping her bedbound? For me it is extreme whole body muscle weakness that means I can’t hold my head up on my neck or my body upright that started suddenly after a virus in 1996, spasticity along whole spine and body, feeling like have severe concussion, vertigo etc etc. I can’t even find a position that is bearable to lie on. I have severe depersonalisation. I have done meditation etc for decades. I always assume I will get better and before I got this severe I always assumed I could do things and did them only to get worse again. I already love myself.
It sounds like you've done a great job on the mental aspect of healing! It sounds like your CFS needs the physical body health approach now. I have healed SO MUCH over the years by being as impeccable as possible with my health and that's what's REALLY been changing things for me. Before I started working on my health to heal my chronic and mental illnesses, I took the more mind approach and don't get me wrong, it did help a lot, I had a horrible childhood and it helped so much with healing from that, but once I started focusing on healing my body thru lifestyle changes is when I started seeing the REAL progress in my illnesses! The first huge change I saw was when I stopped dumping toxins on my head in the form of shampoo! Once I stopped using conventional shampoo and conditioner, I no longer had my severe suicidal bipolar depressive episodes! Every time I cut out more and more chemicals in the products I used on my body, in my home, in my food (hello USDA Certified Organic!) and the more I delved into the world of raw foods, raw fermented foods, sprouted foods, juicing, detoxing inn general, the more and more improvement I see! I get discouraged sometimes because it's been a 7 year long healing journey for me so far, but during that time I've also had so, incredibly much unavoidable stress, which greatly hinders the healing process! I didn't start my recovery journey until after I was pregnant with my 3rd child (in a 4 year time span!) so if you're able to do all these healing things while your single and with getting rid of any stress that's avoidable, I believe you could heal much quicker than me!
Why? CFS is a neurological problem. If you can impact your neurology with conscious thoughts, it’s a very direct way of getting it done... in a way, wether if you progress through diet or through graded exercise or whatever, your neurology changes and you become more hopeful as you’re able to engage in more symptom free activities and your world, which is so small begins to expand. It’s all brain training dude
@@6473n64m19 - Some people may get better with the The Lighting Process but a survey by the Norwegian ME Association has shown that 50% of the participants with ME/CFS ended up worse off than when they started. Not to mention the huge cost of the program itself that makes it inaccessible to a large subset of people.
@@6473n64m19 nothing wrong with brain training. Lightening process, reverse therapy, gupta, joe dispenza etc. The reason I was disappointed to hear the lightning process in the video not because the lightening process doesn't work but I've tried multiple brain rewire programs with minimal success. So for me as important as brain training is its not massive part of the puzzle for me personally but you go ahead and try the lightning process. Good luck 👍
leahvibes irreversible?... I don’t care what “the latest guidelines” stay, if you think that steadily increasing your activity at some point or another will lead to “ irreversible damage” have fun being sick forever with that shit attitude
@@ill-fatedinsect3350 that is what in my opinion makes this whole thing so dodgy. Noone who really wants to help makes money out of sick people. Anything above 200 for one Weekend is a ripoff in my opinion. I can understand that something is charged, but not 650 £
Celery juice is great for digestion. There's science behind celery. Medical Medium just realized no one knew about it and made up a hokie story. He's got good advice but it's nothing new. It's great for people who don't know anything about nutrition, he kinda takes the guesswork out.
Many thanks for bringing about mind-body awareness!!! I wish that others would perhaps be a bit more open-minded, and perhaps believe in themselves a little more as well
Absolutely Nick! I agree with you because that ultimately is the first and most important step in overcoming anything. Thank you so much for your message.
leahvibes I’m really sorry that you went through that, on top of you’re already pre-existing health issues... it must have been really traumatic, so much so that your brain, which is amazing, would do anything to protect you... including going into a permanent fight/flight/freeze state in order to keep you safe... Do you really think that it is the carbon monoxide, several years later, that is still inside your body making you sick? Or for some, is it a virus that just never is cured? Or for others, a perpetual mold reaction? This is silliness, as if you were to put several people in your position, in my position, or in other people’s circumstances where they got CFS, they may have not have ended up getting it... Why? Not because of some fault of our bodies, the opposite in fact, the mechanisms that are meant to protect us are working SO well, that it shoots us these horrible and nasty symptoms to keep us safe.... because, what is pain? What are symptoms? They indicate danger... So, do I say it’s all in the mind? No! But it is all in the brain, and the brain perpetually makes adaptations to circulation, digestion, metabolism, energy production and so on... The brain’s power to create insane levels of misery, to keep you distracted, is beyond anything a virus, or mold or whatever could do to you. It is you, that is ignorant for not coming to this realization. I’m sure, just like virtually all of us, there has been plenty of anxiety, perfectionism, goodism, trauma, self-doubt, self-esteem issues and or abandonment issues in your life, prior to your condition. I’m sure that the misery of the condition, further perpetuated these deep and dark feelings.... The way out is to turn down that stress response, and it doesn’t go away by doing nothing. I almost recovered at one point, went from struggling to stand for more than 10 minutes at a time to having symptom-free days filled with exercise in about 2-3 weeks time. How I did that was, I understood the “phantom” nature of my symptoms, and pushed on confidently despite them, as exercise does not cause CFS realapses, your physical emergency response at the time of the exercise does... exercise is healthy. Unfortunately, as I dove back into full time work too quickly, I hadn’t sorted out the kind of traits that lead to my CFS in the first place, and I’m back at square one (although I’m back at the gym for the first time in awhile).... this is why training like the lightning process works, it helps you tell your brain that it’s safe. It’s not bullshit, it is Psychoneuroimmunology.... My whole point is that you just see that CFS is generated by the brain, and it is a reversible process. You are not broken. If you decide that you are, then you are. Also, look back at your life leading up to illness, you will find that you have been “building” chronic illness for awhile, I know that I had.... I hope this helps, take care and be well
leahvibes I hope you read this... I’m sorry that I made you feel the way that you do about my comments, it was not my goal to make you feel shitty... But I just have to ask you: Is this movie that you are playing in your head, this one about you going through this event and being forever damaged and being able to never recover, is it a helpful one? Does it make you feel good? Does it give you hope? I sincerely hope that you change that line of thinking and understand that there IS hope for you to recover and reclaim your life, as thousands around you have with this terrible condition. I’m trying to get you to see that you CAN fix this, you CAN get better... I don’t see anything cruel in this, perhaps my delivery which was somewhat insensitive (personally, it comes from my experience on forums, which is overly negative and makes my blood boil)... you CAN do this. Stop analyzing so much and start channeling that part of yourself that IS well.
I'm not doubting people's stories on this channel, but I don't always believe they have ME. I mean, it's hardly been researched at all so there's probably lots of different illnesses falling under the umbrella of "ME." Also it would be responsible to mention that LP has been shown one of the therapies to cause the most amount of adverse effects, along with GET.
Sadly the lightning process didn’t work for me among so many things I have tried on all levels. Still working on recovery, haven’t found the key yet...
I'm sorry to hear that it didn't work for you. Good for you though for being open minded and persevering and trying so many new things! I really hope you find your key soon 💛
@@RaelanAgle thank you yes me too! It’s been over 12 years and I’m so fed up of being so ill all the time I must get better! Recovery is such hard work but being ill also is. I’ll persevere Til I regain my health
Keep doing the LP's some times it takes a while before you start seeing change. Keep doing them an even call the main office and speak to someone that may be able to help you tweak something in the way you're doing it
Not to judge, but the LP seminor introduces the praticising of the technique the second day and so actually you recovered in 2 days. LP talks about neuroplasticity and switching of the fight or flight. It is a conditioned respons. So changing neuro pathways take at least 60 days...
Hi Nick, so once cutting out gluten, my body didn’t want it again so if I eat something with it I don’t feel my best, however, I can handle it better than I could when I had CFS. Hope this makes sense lol
One half of me is like, wow that sounds amazing! I want to try it. The other half is like it sounds dodgy! Its a rip off! So wonder how much it costs? Because anyone who really wants to help wont make money out of sick people. And only people who want to rip people off will ask, well how much is your health worth to you? I think most people with CFS/ME have financial problems already.
Okay so I found a very interesting article about it: www.netdoctor.co.uk/healthy-living/wellbeing/news/a28910/lightning-process-me-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/
That’s why I give out information for free. I want to help people. To be honest it was the best money I have ever spent in my life. I started working again a few months after doing the LP so in my opinion I would have paid even more. You cannot put a price on getting your life and health back.
@@sarahdreyer171 but for many it makes their healthstatus even worse. So for them it was a huge amount of money that was waisted. And that Phrase"how much is your health worth to you" is exactly my point. I find it almost an extortion. Either you pay a huge amount of money or you stay sick for ever. Doesnt sound any good to me. If it workes great, but then it would be only fair to say, if it worked give what is was worth to you. And if it didnt, then only pay the cover costs. Anything what is way beyond coverage cost is rip off in my opinion. Thats just taking advantage of peoples miserable situation. And 650£ on average for 3 days for something that might work...???
@@sarahdreyer171 I dont know, I havent done it, ist just what I have read. Like I dont want to say its something that doesnt work, I am sure for many it does and thats great. I am just not happy about the price.
Thank you for posting this interview Raelan. So, Sarah went from being bed bound to full recovery in three days and not a single MECFS symptom since? Very difficult to believe. Raelan this may sound cynical but I'm concerned that channels such as yours are being "targeted" by people who have some sort of outside interest in the lightning process and use your channel's time as a sort of sales testimonial. These "miracle instant cure" stories are just too far fetched. Just my .02.
I do not gain anything from sharing my story. I am not a Lightning Process practitioner nor do I work for them in anyway. I’m sorry that you have doubts but I will continue to share my story because I WANT to HELP. Of course it took some time to fully build my physical strength but going for a 15 minute walk after the second day of doing the LP brought more joy than you can imagine. I understand your concern and I fully appreciate what you are saying but it saddens me that I openly share personal details of my life and get a comment like this. Have you even looked at my Instagram account? I literally give out so much of my own time and energy to try and help as many people as I can. I’m sorry that you cannot see my sincerity.
I get the skepticism because it seems too good to be true but I've talked to quite a few people who have recovered by using brain retraining so I'm grateful for the opportunity to get these stories out. And I actually found Sarah and reached out to her - not the other way around!
@@sarahdreyer171 Sarah - Your desire to help others may be quite sincere. If it is, then it would be helpful to acknowledge the Lightning process is a controversial and costly treatment that works for some and not for others. There is certainly a risk that it might work for someone else and it also might not. That should be acknowledged in interviews such as this one. You mentioned in the interview that you did a lot of research prior to making your treatment decision. I would think that research would have uncovered those facts. Strudelworm's link below mentions the ME association does not currently recommend the LP - did you read that during your research? So a better approach might have been to say "after my research I knew going in that this process may or may not work. It has both proponents and critics." If you had said that your interview would have more credibility. You also mention at 26:17 that on the third day of the lightning process you were jumping on the trampoline and totally recovered. But above you are saying it took some time to build your physical strength. It also would have been helpful to detail the amount of time it took to build your physical strength, how you did that and how long that took after completing the LP. Complete recovery by the third day and having to take time afterwards to build your strength are two different things. This risk applies to all treatments for MECFS - not just the LP. Graded exercise therapy has both proponents and critics as well. And I'm sure any/all other treatments do too since there is no magic bullet for this illness. Always best to present both sides. Otherwise as Raelan said it just seems too good to be true.
@@RaelanAgle Hi from Germany 🤗, i am bedridden now over 4 years ,it's a nightmare and i live alone😢 I have lyme and coinfektions. Have you heard that it also helps for Lyme?
I agree I got so sick of supplements and noticed zero difference when I stopped! Depending on your blood type some people thrive more on some meat! It’s good to know what type you are! One mans food is another mans poison!
I love listening to your talk Raelan.🥰 But this Sarah one sounds all too good to be true how long ago did she recover because it only sounded like maybe 6 months of so I'd be waiting for the crash
"This Sarah" is a real person Paula. The people who share stories are human and Sarah seems like a wonderful one. We should be building one another up and cheering one another on. Please consider that the people who take time to share their stories for free do so from love. I assume you're coming from a good place, but please consider how putting your fears on someone else isn't helpful. I know most people wait a year or so and enjoy their lives before sharing their story (and many people who chose not to share their recovery story), but I think it's wonderful that Sarah is sharing hers here to inspire others.
Hi Paula, I personally know Sarah from many years ago when she used to live in Oman whom I met through her sister, she used to be part of our friend's group and we used to all always hang out. I assure you, she is extremely energetic, good spirited and always always positive! It is exactly as she says, "let's go for it!" attitude. Seeing this video shocked me, even though we lost touch for many many years but remain social media friends now; I assure you, she is not the type to "lie" or make up this story. So no, this is most certainly not "all too good to be true", and I can most definitely vouch for her!
@@sarahdreyer171 Miss you too Sarah! I hope you and Kimmy are doing well, it's insane where life has taken us all, but it's always amazing to see where your path has lead you, and I'm just glad that it has turned out great after all despite its challenges :)
Hey Raelan and Sarah! So nice to hear your story Sarah! It is so inspirational for me with moderate-severe ME knowing there is hope and wellness out there for us all. So many people think this is it when they get the diagnosis and I'm so glad it isn't the case for everyone 💜 I related to so so much of this especially doing too much and not being able to rest. Big up for the Celery Juice! Life changer
Thank you for the kind words Emily!! Sending you lots of love 💕
Celery juice makes all my muscles go flaccid and collapse as most foods do.
Great interview! Thanks so much! I can relate to what you said Raelan about getting the flu was a break for you. Before I became ill, I was going all the time. At one time I hurt my ankle and felt like it was a break for me to rest, unfortunately after I healed from that I went back to pushing myself, I didn't listen to what my body needed. Thanks so much Sarah for sharing your story! It gives me hope!
How are you doing now?
@tanyawieczorek6603 im doing so much better. I still have some pain, but I know I will get over it. Im back to living life again. I walk daily, lift weights at the gym 3 days a week and take tahitian dance! I do everything a normal person would do!
@kathystoner5239 how long did you have CFS for? What were your worst symptoms?
That's awesome that you're so much better 🤩
@tanyawieczorek6603 i had it for over 8 yrs..I was bedbound at one time for 8 months straight. Fatigue and whole body flu- like pain were my worst symptoms. I did Pain Free You ( he has a youtube channel , all free stuff). It has helped me so much!
Hey Raelan! Thank you so much for all these recovery stories that give us so much hope! I was wondering if it was possible for you to interview someone who has healed from CFS while also having mental illness or other chronic illness? I know it would give more specific hope to others out there like me! 🙂
That is a great suggestion, Cassandra! Thank you and sending love to you ❤️
So much awesomeness! I've been thinking a lot lately about the role of stressful thoughts in terms of my medical condition and recovery. It's stressful enough just having a chronic illness. That's not to say that I believe that stress is the cause of my illness, but this is an excellent example of someone (Sara) reversing things by changing her thought patterns. It would be interesting to know to what extent stress has a role in ME/CFS. We all seem to be high achievers and running on adrenaline. I stress about having this illness, showing up for others, finances, getting through the day, etc... I have come to realize that have zero tolerance for stress. It really hits me hard, often times as hard as physical activity. Always a thought-provoking interview, Raelan! Thanks again!😁
So glad you enjoyed it, Bobbie!
Thank you for the comment Bobbie. I totally agree with what you are saying and can relate 100%. When I moved to England from Azerbaijan and I was finally in a more ‘relaxed’ environment I felt like my bodies ability and willingness to handle stress dropped dramatically and my tolerance was next to nothing as well. I’m so sorry that you are going through this but I have total hope that you will heal and put this difficult time behind you.
@@sarahdreyer171 Right back at you, Sarah! Thanks for reaching out! 😁
Thanks for this! So glad the lightening process worked for you , Sarah! Just shows that we are all different. I have tried many things including this process and will continue to try other approaches, thanks to Raelan’s encouragement! 💜
Love this interview!! I love Sarah's spirit and found myself nodding along the whole time. The the segment around 33:00 is so good. It really resonates! Another wonderful interview. ❤️
Thank you sweetheart
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it, Liz!
Thanks so much. Great video so pleased to hear about Sarah's recovery. Will reach out to Sarah to find out about the practitioner you worked with.
Wonderful!
Thank you for reaching out to me Stephanie. I have replied to your message on Instagram. I hope that you are having a wonderful day 💕
Sarah ... the most beautiful soul I happened to get introduced to at the Horizon Gym Muscat... She's one of the reasons I had been to the gym 5 days a week.... she's an inspiration to me to get healthy and feel healthy... Am shocked beyond words to learn that she had been through this health issue... Sending Sarah loads of healing love ♥ and hugs from Muscat...Avantika
This means the world to me. Thank you Avantika for the kind, loving and supportive words. I wish I could give you a hug 🤗 sending all my love
This was an amazing interview, thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it, Claire!
Thank you Raelan and Sarah, I love your sincerity and commitment to helping others. I am fully convinced that my CFS is an ANS dysfunction and so a neurological approach is the way to go. I haven't done any programme, preferring instead to create my own daily regime. I'm at the beginning of focusing on it, so not ready to share just yet! However I'm convinced I'll recover. I recommend following Raelan's posting about how she listens inwards and finds out from her body what action she should be taking to regain her health. I have found this tremendously helpful. It might also help people watching this video to decide if the Lightning Process is the programme for them. Many thanks Raelan, I hope you are taking time to give yourself fun and joy.
Thank you both
Where can I find the 4-hour Lightning Process audio book she mentions at 25:52? I saw the LP Intro book on amazon....but really need audio...
Thank you so much Sarah and Raelan ❤️❤️❤️❤️ (i regonize so much about being to active 🙈💘) bless you beautiful strong womans 💘✨💪🧘🏻♀️
Glad you enjoyed this, Janna! 💛
Thank you so much for your lovely message Janna! Sending you lots of love 💕
Hi. I'm new here and bingeing on all the health recovery stories on the playlist!
Thank you for this interview, Raelan, and for sharing your recovery story, Sarah. 💛
I'm so happy that you have both recovered. 😊
@ Sarah Dreyer if you see this comment, can you please tell me if you had to do anything to rid your body of the mould toxicity. I am currently doing a mycotoxins detox since having a test reveal that I have mycotoxins in my body. I have been chronically fatigued for nearly 5 years now. Thank you. 🙏
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Meet Sarah Dreyer
00:57 Sara’s life before ME/CFS
04:03 How Sarah got ME/CFS
13:50 What the doctors had to say
16:26 How Sarah managed finances while unwell
18:21 What supplements Sarah found helpful
21:06 The diet that works for Sarah
24:17 The final thing that got Sarah back to 100% health
32:22 Barriers to considering recovery options
38:00 Dealing with the trauma of ME/CFS post recovery
40:09 What Sarah’s taken away from all of this
42:39 How to reach Sarah
Raelan, you’re doing a GREAT job! Why does it seem like the recovery stories are from people outside the U.S.? Do you think the American culture impedes recovery? I am on my recovery journey. Thank you! Angel
Hey Angel! That's an interesting question...and I wish I had an answer. I'm sure there are many recovery stories in the US as well, unfortunately there isn't a databank or anything so for me - I am interviewing people that I connect with on Instagram, which is an international community. I do wonder what countries are having the best success rates with recovery?
I was wondering the same thing, but I sadly believe the U.s. Loves to push meds because of big pharma and all the money to be made, they'd rather keep us sick and many doctors don't want to do the research for these conditions and or it won't make them much money🤷♀️
@@amandakephart2544 I agree with you Amanda!
I've been wondering the same thing, so glad you asked Raelan this question! I think the American culture in general is MUCH less healthy than other countries so I think it takes much longer for us to heal because our generational ill health goes back so much further. Also I think because of this Americans generally tend to have more than one type of chronic illness, definitely complicating the healing process. I myself have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome but also have Bipolar, PMDD (Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder), and Fibromyalgia. A lot of things recommended for healing only Chronic Fatigue Syndrome don't tend to work with having other serious chronic illnesses, such as melatonin for sleep, as on the label it will tell you not to use melatonin if you have a depressive disorder, which both Bipolar and PMDD are, and I found out the hard way that is true! Also you have to be so careful with any supplements you take that might work for CFS alone because it might flare up one of the other illnesses, such as taking a natural antidepressant such as SAM-E, when you also have Bipolar you can't take that without also taking a natural mood stabilizer such as Lithium Orotate or it could throw you into a horrible hypomanic or manic episode!
Good question! I noticed this to!
Sarah
What specifically from the Lightning method helped you the most with CFS?
Great one . 💓
I have recovered also
Amazing! That is so wonderful to hear.
what have you done ?
How ?
i did The LP and I also felt really good by day 3 BUT on getting home ...down hill pretty quick and no sustained progress in any symptoms :(:( SO bummed . It was almost like an adrenalin/placebo effect. I would feel better too after I spoke to the coach on the phine but then after one day PEM and back to symptoms again. Worked for my young friend tho.
What exactly are the treatments or things it gets you to do?
I am not a type A, perfectionist, hyperactive, workaholic and I have had me/cfs and fibromyalgia for 17 years.
What was it that was keeping her bedbound?
For me it is extreme whole body muscle weakness that means I can’t hold my head up on my neck or my body upright that started suddenly after a virus in 1996, spasticity along whole spine and body, feeling like have severe concussion, vertigo etc etc.
I can’t even find a position that is bearable to lie on.
I have severe depersonalisation.
I have done meditation etc for decades.
I always assume I will get better and before I got this severe I always assumed I could do things and did them only to get worse again.
I already love myself.
It sounds like you've done a great job on the mental aspect of healing! It sounds like your CFS needs the physical body health approach now. I have healed SO MUCH over the years by being as impeccable as possible with my health and that's what's REALLY been changing things for me. Before I started working on my health to heal my chronic and mental illnesses, I took the more mind approach and don't get me wrong, it did help a lot, I had a horrible childhood and it helped so much with healing from that, but once I started focusing on healing my body thru lifestyle changes is when I started seeing the REAL progress in my illnesses! The first huge change I saw was when I stopped dumping toxins on my head in the form of shampoo! Once I stopped using conventional shampoo and conditioner, I no longer had my severe suicidal bipolar depressive episodes! Every time I cut out more and more chemicals in the products I used on my body, in my home, in my food (hello USDA Certified Organic!) and the more I delved into the world of raw foods, raw fermented foods, sprouted foods, juicing, detoxing inn general, the more and more improvement I see! I get discouraged sometimes because it's been a 7 year long healing journey for me so far, but during that time I've also had so, incredibly much unavoidable stress, which greatly hinders the healing process! I didn't start my recovery journey until after I was pregnant with my 3rd child (in a 4 year time span!) so if you're able to do all these healing things while your single and with getting rid of any stress that's avoidable, I believe you could heal much quicker than me!
I don’t think I have it but I’m always tired , I sleep so badly at night and during the day I’m so tired ...
Sarah, how long has it been since you did the Lightning Process?
Hello dear, it’s been 6 months now
I could not understand the product she took to recover. She said it so fast. Something “ protease”? Please clarify this. Thank you.
Was so excited for the video until i heard the lightning process lol. Glad it worked for you
Why? CFS is a neurological problem. If you can impact your neurology with conscious thoughts, it’s a very direct way of getting it done... in a way, wether if you progress through diet or through graded exercise or whatever, your neurology changes and you become more hopeful as you’re able to engage in more symptom free activities and your world, which is so small begins to expand. It’s all brain training dude
@@6473n64m19 - Some people may get better with the The Lighting Process but a survey by the Norwegian ME Association has shown that 50% of the participants with ME/CFS ended up worse off than when they started. Not to mention the huge cost of the program itself that makes it inaccessible to a large subset of people.
@@6473n64m19 nothing wrong with brain training. Lightening process, reverse therapy, gupta, joe dispenza etc. The reason I was disappointed to hear the lightning process in the video not because the lightening process doesn't work but I've tried multiple brain rewire programs with minimal success. So for me as important as brain training is its not massive part of the puzzle for me personally but you go ahead and try the lightning process. Good luck 👍
leahvibes irreversible?... I don’t care what “the latest guidelines” stay, if you think that steadily increasing your activity at some point or another will lead to “ irreversible damage” have fun being sick forever with that shit attitude
@@ill-fatedinsect3350 that is what in my opinion makes this whole thing so dodgy. Noone who really wants to help makes money out of sick people. Anything above 200 for one Weekend is a ripoff in my opinion. I can understand that something is charged, but not 650 £
what's the name of the process? I couldn't quite catch the word. 🥲
It's the "Lightening Process" :)
Celery juice is great for digestion. There's science behind celery. Medical Medium just realized no one knew about it and made up a hokie story. He's got good advice but it's nothing new. It's great for people who don't know anything about nutrition, he kinda takes the guesswork out.
I agree 👍🏻
Did You had anixety?
Hi i dont hear what she says about the program. Lactins?
Many thanks for bringing about mind-body awareness!!! I wish that others would perhaps be a bit more open-minded, and perhaps believe in themselves a little more as well
Absolutely Nick! I agree with you because that ultimately is the first and most important step in overcoming anything. Thank you so much for your message.
Totally agree Nick. I'm also recovering from M.E and the link is so pivotal to healing
leahvibes the difference is... although it’s not our fault, as we were not trying to do it intentionally, we caused this...
leahvibes I’m really sorry that you went through that, on top of you’re already pre-existing health issues... it must have been really traumatic, so much so that your brain, which is amazing, would do anything to protect you... including going into a permanent fight/flight/freeze state in order to keep you safe... Do you really think that it is the carbon monoxide, several years later, that is still inside your body making you sick? Or for some, is it a virus that just never is cured? Or for others, a perpetual mold reaction? This is silliness, as if you were to put several people in your position, in my position, or in other people’s circumstances where they got CFS, they may have not have ended up getting it... Why? Not because of some fault of our bodies, the opposite in fact, the mechanisms that are meant to protect us are working SO well, that it shoots us these horrible and nasty symptoms to keep us safe.... because, what is pain? What are symptoms? They indicate danger... So, do I say it’s all in the mind? No! But it is all in the brain, and the brain perpetually makes adaptations to circulation, digestion, metabolism, energy production and so on... The brain’s power to create insane levels of misery, to keep you distracted, is beyond anything a virus, or mold or whatever could do to you. It is you, that is ignorant for not coming to this realization. I’m sure, just like virtually all of us, there has been plenty of anxiety, perfectionism, goodism, trauma, self-doubt, self-esteem issues and or abandonment issues in your life, prior to your condition. I’m sure that the misery of the condition, further perpetuated these deep and dark feelings.... The way out is to turn down that stress response, and it doesn’t go away by doing nothing. I almost recovered at one point, went from struggling to stand for more than 10 minutes at a time to having symptom-free days filled with exercise in about 2-3 weeks time. How I did that was, I understood the “phantom” nature of my symptoms, and pushed on confidently despite them, as exercise does not cause CFS realapses, your physical emergency response at the time of the exercise does... exercise is healthy. Unfortunately, as I dove back into full time work too quickly, I hadn’t sorted out the kind of traits that lead to my CFS in the first place, and I’m back at square one (although I’m back at the gym for the first time in awhile).... this is why training like the lightning process works, it helps you tell your brain that it’s safe. It’s not bullshit, it is Psychoneuroimmunology.... My whole point is that you just see that CFS is generated by the brain, and it is a reversible process. You are not broken. If you decide that you are, then you are. Also, look back at your life leading up to illness, you will find that you have been “building” chronic illness for awhile, I know that I had.... I hope this helps, take care and be well
leahvibes I hope you read this... I’m sorry that I made you feel the way that you do about my comments, it was not my goal to make you feel shitty... But I just have to ask you: Is this movie that you are playing in your head, this one about you going through this event and being forever damaged and being able to never recover, is it a helpful one? Does it make you feel good? Does it give you hope? I sincerely hope that you change that line of thinking and understand that there IS hope for you to recover and reclaim your life, as thousands around you have with this terrible condition. I’m trying to get you to see that you CAN fix this, you CAN get better... I don’t see anything cruel in this, perhaps my delivery which was somewhat insensitive (personally, it comes from my experience on forums, which is overly negative and makes my blood boil)... you CAN do this. Stop analyzing so much and start channeling that part of yourself that IS well.
I'm not doubting people's stories on this channel, but I don't always believe they have ME. I mean, it's hardly been researched at all so there's probably lots of different illnesses falling under the umbrella of "ME." Also it would be responsible to mention that LP has been shown one of the therapies to cause the most amount of adverse effects, along with GET.
I'm also skeptical of these recoveries. I think these people had CFS from burnout and not actual ME. There is a big difference
@@nomorel7884 A lot of them sound like they just needed to rest and clean up their diet. If only if were that simple for all of us.
They have ME just as much as you or anyone does. There is literally no diagnostic test. Many people get better this way, myself included.
Once a traveller, always a traveller Raelan. I am the same. Annie🇦🇺
Sadly the lightning process didn’t work for me among so many things I have tried on all levels. Still working on recovery, haven’t found the key yet...
I'm sorry to hear that it didn't work for you. Good for you though for being open minded and persevering and trying so many new things! I really hope you find your key soon 💛
@@RaelanAgle thank you yes me too! It’s been over 12 years and I’m so fed up of being so ill all the time I must get better! Recovery is such hard work but being ill also is. I’ll persevere Til I regain my health
for how long time did u do it ? some people need 6 months to start to feel it . Dont give up !!!
Keep doing the LP's some times it takes a while before you start seeing change. Keep doing them an even call the main office and speak to someone that may be able to help you tweak something in the way you're doing it
Not to judge, but the LP seminor introduces the praticising of the technique the second day and so actually you recovered in 2 days. LP talks about neuroplasticity and switching of the fight or flight. It is a conditioned respons. So changing neuro pathways take at least 60 days...
Hi Raelan. Thank you so much for posting these videos, they really help me have hope, something that seems pretty short in the me/cfs world.
I'm so glad!
Sarah did your gluten issues straighten out when you got better? I have the same issue but with pretty much all sugar and carbs
Hi Nick, so once cutting out gluten, my body didn’t want it again so if I eat something with it I don’t feel my best, however, I can handle it better than I could when I had CFS. Hope this makes sense lol
Sarah Dreyer certainly does! Thanks!
Can you have a black mold issue in your house and not know it?
One half of me is like, wow that sounds amazing! I want to try it. The other half is like it sounds dodgy! Its a rip off! So wonder how much it costs? Because anyone who really wants to help wont make money out of sick people. And only people who want to rip people off will ask, well how much is your health worth to you? I think most people with CFS/ME have financial problems already.
Okay so I found a very interesting article about it: www.netdoctor.co.uk/healthy-living/wellbeing/news/a28910/lightning-process-me-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/
That’s why I give out information for free. I want to help people. To be honest it was the best money I have ever spent in my life. I started working again a few months after doing the LP so in my opinion I would have paid even more. You cannot put a price on getting your life and health back.
@@sarahdreyer171 but for many it makes their healthstatus even worse. So for them it was a huge amount of money that was waisted. And that Phrase"how much is your health worth to you" is exactly my point. I find it almost an extortion. Either you pay a huge amount of money or you stay sick for ever. Doesnt sound any good to me. If it workes great, but then it would be only fair to say, if it worked give what is was worth to you. And if it didnt, then only pay the cover costs. Anything what is way beyond coverage cost is rip off in my opinion. Thats just taking advantage of peoples miserable situation. And 650£ on average for 3 days for something that might work...???
Strudelwurm i don’t understand how it can make your health worse tbh
@@sarahdreyer171 I dont know, I havent done it, ist just what I have read. Like I dont want to say its something that doesnt work, I am sure for many it does and thats great. I am just not happy about the price.
Thank you for posting this interview Raelan. So, Sarah went from being bed bound to full recovery in three days and not a single MECFS symptom since? Very difficult to believe.
Raelan this may sound cynical but I'm concerned that channels such as yours are being "targeted" by people who have some sort of outside interest in the lightning process and use your channel's time as a sort of sales testimonial. These "miracle instant cure" stories are just too far fetched. Just my .02.
I do not gain anything from sharing my story. I am not a Lightning Process practitioner nor do I work for them in anyway. I’m sorry that you have doubts but I will continue to share my story because I WANT to HELP. Of course it took some time to fully build my physical strength but going for a 15 minute walk after the second day of doing the LP brought more joy than you can imagine. I understand your concern and I fully appreciate what you are saying but it saddens me that I openly share personal details of my life and get a comment like this. Have you even looked at my Instagram account? I literally give out so much of my own time and energy to try and help as many people as I can. I’m sorry that you cannot see my sincerity.
I get the skepticism because it seems too good to be true but I've talked to quite a few people who have recovered by using brain retraining so I'm grateful for the opportunity to get these stories out. And I actually found Sarah and reached out to her - not the other way around!
@@sarahdreyer171 Sarah - Your desire to help others may be quite sincere. If it is, then it would be helpful to acknowledge the Lightning process is a controversial and costly treatment that works for some and not for others. There is certainly a risk that it might work for someone else and it also might not. That should be acknowledged in interviews such as this one. You mentioned in the interview that you did a lot of research prior to making your treatment decision. I would think that research would have uncovered those facts. Strudelworm's link below mentions the ME association does not currently recommend the LP - did you read that during your research? So a better approach might have been to say "after my research I knew going in that this process may or may not work. It has both proponents and critics." If you had said that your interview would have more credibility.
You also mention at 26:17 that on the third day of the lightning process you were jumping on the trampoline and totally recovered. But above you are saying it took some time to build your physical strength. It also would have been helpful to detail the amount of time it took to build your physical strength, how you did that and how long that took after completing the LP. Complete recovery by the third day and having to take time afterwards to build your strength are two different things.
This risk applies to all treatments for MECFS - not just the LP. Graded exercise therapy has both proponents and critics as well. And I'm sure any/all other treatments do too since there is no magic bullet for this illness. Always best to present both sides. Otherwise as Raelan said it just seems too good to be true.
@@RaelanAgle Hi from Germany 🤗, i am bedridden now over 4 years ,it's a nightmare and i live alone😢 I have lyme and coinfektions. Have you heard that it also helps for Lyme?
@@sarahdreyer171 How much does it cost and does it also helps for lyme!?
I agree I got so sick of supplements and noticed zero difference when I stopped! Depending on your blood type some people thrive more on some meat! It’s good to know what type you are! One mans food is another mans poison!
In your stories you never. Say what techniques you used. I will stop following you.
I love listening to your talk Raelan.🥰 But this Sarah one sounds all too good to be true how long ago did she recover because it only sounded like maybe 6 months of so I'd be waiting for the crash
"This Sarah" is a real person Paula. The people who share stories are human and Sarah seems like a wonderful one. We should be building one another up and cheering one another on. Please consider that the people who take time to share their stories for free do so from love. I assume you're coming from a good place, but please consider how putting your fears on someone else isn't helpful. I know most people wait a year or so and enjoy their lives before sharing their story (and many people who chose not to share their recovery story), but I think it's wonderful that Sarah is sharing hers here to inspire others.
Hi Paula, I personally know Sarah from many years ago when she used to live in Oman whom I met through her sister, she used to be part of our friend's group and we used to all always hang out. I assure you, she is extremely energetic, good spirited and always always positive! It is exactly as she says, "let's go for it!" attitude. Seeing this video shocked me, even though we lost touch for many many years but remain social media friends now; I assure you, she is not the type to "lie" or make up this story. So no, this is most certainly not "all too good to be true", and I can most definitely vouch for her!
Liz Carlson hugs 🤗 thank you Liz
Ali Raisi awwww Ali my darling friend. Thank you so much for this comment. Sending you hugs and love! Miss you buddy
@@sarahdreyer171 Miss you too Sarah! I hope you and Kimmy are doing well, it's insane where life has taken us all, but it's always amazing to see where your path has lead you, and I'm just glad that it has turned out great after all despite its challenges :)
People don’t fall for this bullshit- she was misdiagnosed period- may have had chronic fatigue but definitely not chronic fatigue syndrome-