Thanos I left to get a few flight feathers, now John has to tell jack that daddy has kill 150 law men, has cleared out the ecosystem, and has ben gambling all the family money away.
@@lennysummers7816 I'm stuck in chapter 2 I want you alive and Arthur too but mostly the gang like Arthur says Btw what are u doing Lenny? Are u in Tahiti with the gang???
I think Arthur mostly said that because of what happened to him personally. He once had a son, and he did his best to go see him everytime he could, and he couldn't protect him. John left his son and his wife willingly for an entire year and unlike Arthur, he just got them back, alive and well.
Getting attacked by wolves Has an annoying son and wife Forced to do dirty work for the government to keep his family safe Constantly deals with wife's nagging Kills of his 3 remaining "friends" Gets obliterated by Ross and the army for taking revenge when told not to -what was that about being "luckiest man alive"?
@@negrura121302 keeping on what @Victor Draws is commenting, John stop being a luckiest man alive when he look back. Which is what Arthur has been warning John about for the rest of Chapter 6
"It all starts with a good woman. John Marston is the luckiest man alive." This shit is why Uncle ruled. He may have been useless when it came to any form of physical labour, but he knew exactly what certain people needed to hear when they felt down or upset. Lazy and drunk as he might've been, he was truly was the caring 'Uncle' of the gang.
That's probably why the gang kept him around in the first place. A court Jester's highest privilege was always to speak truth to power and that's what Uncle kept doing, confronting or mocking even Dutch or Micah before he left and (probably his finest achievement) confronting John about what a dump his shack was, basically forcing him to tear it down completely and instead build a real ranch at Beecher's Hope.
It all starts with a good woman 😌 I love the connection Arthur and Abigail had it wasnt on a romantic level it was loving yet respectful. He looked out for her and Jack. Its only right for her to feel emotional when she hears about him.
It was romantic in the past, after fishing with Jack, you can see in Arthur's diary that he once thought about marrying Abigal before she feel in love with John, but blames Mary for not pursuing Abigal.
@TheHolyLoaf Abigal was a prostitute and she slept with most people of the gang, look it up, that's why John isn't sure Jack is his son. So yeah, it could easily be romantic.
TheHolyLoaf It was sort of romantic tho, they had a bond that was pretty strong right off the get go of the game. I noticed it right away when she asked Arthur to find John it was just BOOM
I think Arthur had a crush on her in the past but during the time of RDR2, Arthur has got over her since he fell in love with Mary and the relationship between him and Abigail is simply friends. Arthur might have looked out for Abigail and Jack because of their friendship and probably he was just trying to be a father for Jack when John was irresponsible to his family
Saahiljit Singh yes Charles is so powerful he doesn’t need to ride a horse as the urge to build that damn house boosts his adrenaline so much that he has the ability to run from Canada to the US in a matter of seconds.
Probably. But he had his shoot out with the Pinkertons soon enough. What's sad is he had no way of knowing that a near death Arthur would be able to fend off government agents, only for Micah and Dutch to sneak up on him. What could John done though? There'd still be the possibility that John would get killed. And there was no other way for Arthur. If Arthur had fought off the law and killed Micah he still would have been on deaths door. They were still years away from a treatment option for TB. And thanks to Dutch he couldn't go west. And that was just a pipe dream at that point. That's at least how I would rationalize it if I was John.
J Dawg At that point, do you really care if you die by a bullet, or from your disease a few hours later? Either way he could buy time for Marston to get out. By that point at least the path I went with with Arthur, he had readily accepted his death.
At that point in the game everyone knew Arthur was dying or at least very sick, he could not be saved. Arthurs time had come, but John, Abigail, and Jack still had there whole lives ahead of them. The time they had as a family wasn't as much as it should have been, but it was more than they ever would have had if Arthur didn't die better than he lived.
@@ethanbradley2089 I think it's just hard for John to talk about everything that went down that night. Like you said Arthur was dying for the TB and he probably wouldn't have made it out alive even if he had killed Micah and the Pinkertons. In my headcanon, John is just sad that he didn't get a chance to do more for Arthur. Hindsight is 2020. But this is why you have fanfic where you can change the ending of a great story into one with a happy ending where John, Abigail, Jack and Arthur run neighboring farms in Wyoming.
@@sinclairgomes3513 Days Gone is my therapy for finding out about the Last of Us 2, a Zombie game with good narrative, grit, and Sam Witwer, WTF else do you want?! 👍
@Ziyan’s Power Thats awesome! Glad he made it through both world wars… he was just young enough to be drafted in both. What a life… Imagine you survive all this shit out in the west just to die in a muddy trench somewhere on a french field
If only the story could have ended happier,but I guess that's how life goes unfortunately things don't always stay the same and people can change and sometimes loyalty stands for nothing with some people just as arthur found out,you can only imagine the level of hurt arthur felt seeing so many he cared for turn on him along with dying from TB,just glad he still had a handful of the gang that cared about him and had his back in the end such a great story that played out with both games but it was so sad and emotional,that you end up been drawn in to it that how can you not care about the characters.
@Needles Iblis So why would he talk about Arthur alot eight years after he died but not just 4 years after the epilogue? It already has been many years, it wouldn't make sense for him to mention a guy who's been dead nearly a decade all the time.
Slim Dickens not to mention Arthur’s character wasn’t even thought of in red dead 1. Everything rockstar does has a purpose down to the nitty gritty details. This dialogue explains why John doesn’t talk about him to make up for any supposed inconsistencies. Clever ol rockstar.
You can hear the sadness in John's voice when he tells Abigail "I'll talk about him but what's there to say?" I feel like it isn't just about "forgetting the past" but more so with John not wanting to drop his 'Tough Guy' persona and start getting overly emotional with being reminded by Arthur... clearly we know this to be true when he tells Mary-Beth that "I think about him."
Obviously we know why it was put in that John doesn’t want to talk about Arthur because I’m the years to come he wasn’t actually part of the story but it’s kinda sad that he will honour arthur by killing Micah but yet won’t mention arthurs name again even though you can probably catch moment where John is alone when it’s quiet in the first game where it’s up to interpretation that he is thinking about arthur or imagining what arthur would do in his situation, especially when it comes to seeing bill Javier and dutch and his final moments in his barn before telling the people he cares for most to go and don’t look back before he gives his life so they could be free, in that moment especially I’d like to think he was thinking of the last thing arthur said to him “be a god damn man”
I've given this a lot of thought and tried putting myself in John's shoes. Then I realized that knowing Micah, if given the chance he would try to hurt me or my family without me being able to do anything about it. If I had the ability to take him out and finally put my mind at ease I'd not let it go to waste. John as well as Arthur saw how Micah manipulated Dutch and in turn half of the remaining gang. Knowing that Micah wanted to bang my wife and probably even kill me in my sleep if he could, then I wouldn't risk leaving him be even if I had ways of continuously being informed of his whereabouts. Because who knows, since he ratted on the gang before, he could easily be hired to hunt me or my family down eventually. This is also proven by the events leading up to RDR1. Agents come looking for Micah and upon finding his corpse they make the connection to John. Even if he didn't work for the law at the time it's possible that he mentioned John to them at one time. So in that case the damage was already done. Any of the opposing members of the gang could pose a threat to John by that point as well. So once the law finds John in RDR1, he decides it's him or them (his old gang members). In the back of his head he knows that the law has no reason to not bring him down after his work is done, but then again he has no other choice.
It probably means nothing, but seeing Jack and Abigail talk about Arthur with that big, empty chair between them, casting shadows in the afternoon sun..it hurts, almost like another person was meant to be there. But wasn't.
I love how good the acting and mocap is in this game that when Jack says Arthur u can see it makes Abigail pause and there is a different vibe to the room.
I still miss him dearly to this day. He was very strong silent type intelligence. His whole ordeal with Mary Linton and how he still loves her till the end( depending on ur character) was absolutely beautiful to me. When he says, “whenever you call I’d come Mary.” That ain’t simping, he realized his choices made him loose the woman not who he is. And he dealt with it the best he could
When first time Jack said “Arthur… he saved us didn’t he?” My feels. 🥺 My head started playing the song from FarCry 5 opening theme just nice and smoothing.
Point Zero you make really good content. I like how you start your videos right away with no annoying intro and music. You also don't have bullshit on your channel while others do. I appreciate that, keep up the good work!
I know this has nothing to do with RDR2 or the video, but let's be honest, (imo) I think the 2 best video game characters are Arthur and Joel, I mean try to imagine Arthur and Joel teaming up together and gunning down everyone who gets in they're way
Blue Thunder I’ve thought about that as well! I’m sure people who’ve played TLoU and RDR2 make connections between both of the characters. They’re definitely two of my all time favorite protagonist.
@Mr. Obunga Well Dutch specified in Red Dead that "We ALL had her", and Arthur in his journal suggesting he should have married her; it seems pretty likely they had sex. It's also implied through dialogue John left the gang before RDR2 because he thought Jack might be Arthur's.
kinda sad that john really tried to become a "normal" man and he managed to build a house and have some livestock but the past never forgot him and the crook agents shot him like a dog
Yeah, cause nobody would have told him, and that would explain why nobody fought back against Dutch, but I do have to say, if Lenny, Sean, Hosea, Charles, Sadie, Javier, reverend, the woman, uncle, mr person and trekking had been there in the right kindest, things maybe could have been different
I’ve always felt bad for uncle, he is a sad man with no family left and nobody to love him. He had seen many things and watched many of his friends die one by one. He gets hated by most people including John and sometimes Arthur but he was always the wisest of the vanderline gang. He will always be my favourite gang member.
Its obvious that just the mention of the name “Arthur” makes john choke up and shut down. You can see it anytime he talks about him with old gang members and strangers that knew him. Remember, this is 1907, men weren’t too keen on showing their emotions. Its easier to say: _”its in the the past, we left that behind”_ and keep it to yourself rather than to acknowledge that the loss of arthur probably hit him real hard and maybe even makes him feel guilty. John (and almost any man from that time period) didn’t have the mental insight to deal with that sort of loss in a healthy way. And honestly, i don’t think i would be able to talk about my brother all the time if he went out the same way Arthur did even in this time period. Giving his life so you can live yours, thats heavy shit man. The thought of leaving Arthur alone on that mountain has to be incredibly painful and traumatic for John even if it was in the best interest of his family.
this game was by far my game of the year when it came out, the story just took me away and there was so much to do wish i could play it for the first time again
Ok so when rockstar was working on rdr1 he already thought about his new character and his story that's actually true tho he was thinking about arthur story, soon when rdr1 was gonna be finish they thought about the character name ( arthur) but why doesn't John mention him if rockstar already was working on his new character?, that's why I kinda want him to remake rdr1 because so John talks about arthur more, and you get to visit arthur grave again and plus ain't John house near strawberry and Blackwater? , well in rdr1 John is supposed to be in Mexico right so? Who did his house get to Mexico? And I want John to talk about his old gang more and arthur too And at the end I want him and arthur spirit animal together like on a cliff or near John's house, I also kinda want to visit the camps again and John has like flashbacks or something idk... Idk it's just a thought I have 🤷♀️
They wouldn't have mentioned Arthur in RDR1 because RDR2 would have still be at the drawing board stage with the story no finalized or set in stone yet I anyway. As soo as they added details about it into RDR1 they would have been stuck with them and wouldn't have had as much artistic freedom to change their minds as RDR2 entered development. We know rockstar are whishy washy just based on how much they changed the RDR2 story even right before release
arthur morgan his house isn’t in Mexico, did you play rdr because it doesn’t sound like it. He has safe houses in Mexico when he’s chasing bill and Javier but in the end he returns to Beechers hope where he dies and John doesn’t have to have his whole character revolve around arthur. Also I doubt they had the next game planned out while working on rdr1 because they had enough issues getting that one out
I'm pretty sure it was common back then. The father was the Head of the house, and the relationship between child and father back then was very different, and based solely on respect.
have you ever played god of war? lol a son calling his dad "sir" is a really common thing, i cant even believe it surprises you that sometimes jack calls john "sir"
It would have been heartwarming that if just after they come down the mountain at the end of the game we saw John, Abigail, Uncle, Charles, Sadie and Jack all sitting around and talking about what Arthur did for them. A delayed eulogy
1:13 when uncle was walkin down like that a line popped into my mind from lamar davis in gta online in one of his missions lamar: GET A JOB BUSTER who else would say that to uncle when he was walkin down like that
'I got work to do"
*Free roams and never returns*
"Those challenges for The Legend of The East outfit won't complete themselves, son." "Pa has work to do."
Lmao I left Beecher's Hope to Saint Denis to play poker and havent been back in like in a month
Kills 1000 cops
Im in love with your profile picture.
Thanos I left to get a few flight feathers, now John has to tell jack that daddy has kill 150 law men, has cleared out the ecosystem, and has ben gambling all the family money away.
Me and Arthur are still getting drunk in heaven just so everybody knows
Lenny??!!!?!???!??!
HELSP simosdialogi what are you doing?
Dammit, you made me subscribe XD
@@lennysummers7816 I'm stuck in chapter 2 I want you alive and Arthur too but mostly the gang like Arthur says
Btw what are u doing Lenny? Are u in Tahiti with the gang???
Is john up there with ya too?
You can hear the mourning in Uncle’s voice when talking about Arthur. He misses him to 😔
Well, he is Arthur's favourite parasite.
Wait.. no, ringworm is
No.. okay, ringworm, then rats with the plague, then Uncle
Hoàng Hải you made my day lmao
Hoàng Hải you also made my day thanks bro!
Abigail: 'But your pa doesnt like talking about him.'
John to everyone from his past: 'Arthur saved me! Before he died!'
You right
He probably only meant in front of Jack because he doesn’t want him to become an outlaw like he did.
Yeah
Explains why he never mentions Arthur in RDR1
Yeah. To everyone FROM HIS PAST.
John: "The past is gone, we've left that behind".
Also John: *kills Micah*
VR Prasad yuuuuuur no its really the past 💯😏
Now*
@@chefmike857 Sorry I didn't get you
@@v.rprasad5377 yeah but he say that after complete the story
I think it’s one of those Do as I say not as I do moments
This fills me with utter joy that jack still remembered arthur after all those years
But he forgot about his old uncle Dutch
Dutch Van der Linde cause uncle Dutch was a douchebag
The Gamersaures mostly Micah was
@@reecelol65 oh no he's even worse
Equestrian._. Edits Dutch was bad but at least he came to his senses and shot Micah
"John Marston is the luckiest man alive." Well said
I think Arthur mostly said that because of what happened to him personally. He once had a son, and he did his best to go see him everytime he could, and he couldn't protect him. John left his son and his wife willingly for an entire year and unlike Arthur, he just got them back, alive and well.
When I first heard that the "That's the the way it is" started playing in my mind
Getting attacked by wolves
Has an annoying son and wife
Forced to do dirty work for the government to keep his family safe
Constantly deals with wife's nagging
Kills of his 3 remaining "friends"
Gets obliterated by Ross and the army for taking revenge when told not to
-what was that about being "luckiest man alive"?
Clearly he wasn’t lucky enough to dodge those 30 Pinkertons bullets
@@negrura121302
keeping on what @Victor Draws is commenting, John stop being a luckiest man alive when he look back. Which is what Arthur has been warning John about for the rest of Chapter 6
"It all starts with a good woman. John Marston is the luckiest man alive."
This shit is why Uncle ruled. He may have been useless when it came to any form of physical labour, but he knew exactly what certain people needed to hear when they felt down or upset. Lazy and drunk as he might've been, he was truly was the caring 'Uncle' of the gang.
Just glad he wasn't a "creepy uncle" useless yes. However he was funny as hell.
I loved the stories (whether true or not) he told at the camp campfire at night.
@@Faven2011 he has LUMBAGO
That's probably why the gang kept him around in the first place. A court Jester's highest privilege was always to speak truth to power and that's what Uncle kept doing, confronting or mocking even Dutch or Micah before he left and (probably his finest achievement) confronting John about what a dump his shack was, basically forcing him to tear it down completely and instead build a real ranch at Beecher's Hope.
thanks for saying that just thanks
Jeez its 2020, almost 2 years since the release, and there’s still dialogue i haven’t heard of.
Best game ever.
This is a Rockstar game of course it's gonna contain dozens of dialogues and activities, this is what they're known for to say the least
i cant believe its almost been 2 years already
I heard there are over 500.000 lines of dialogue in the game. It will be a while until you heard everything
RDR3 might come out they said if RDR2 got sold out they would make another idk if it got sold out in the past 2 years
"Arthur saved my life, before he passed. I don't talk about him much...but I think about him."
“The past is gone.We left that behind” one thing that will never leave John is his inability to swim
Arthur's weakness: T.B
Uncle's weakness: LuMbAgO
John's weakness: Water
Dutch's weakness: ...
Not having a damn PLAN!
Blue Thunder or money
@@TheOriginalDogass Yes..and the MONEH.....
@@bluethunder1824 or FAITH
@@bluethunder1824 Plans are actually his weakness
It all starts with a good woman 😌
I love the connection Arthur and Abigail had it wasnt on a romantic level it was loving yet respectful. He looked out for her and Jack. Its only right for her to feel emotional when she hears about him.
It was romantic in the past, after fishing with Jack, you can see in Arthur's diary that he once thought about marrying Abigal before she feel in love with John, but blames Mary for not pursuing Abigal.
@TheHolyLoaf Abigal was a prostitute and she slept with most people of the gang, look it up, that's why John isn't sure Jack is his son. So yeah, it could easily be romantic.
Yeah it would have been really amazing but that’s how the timeline works I guess 🤷🏼♀️
TheHolyLoaf It was sort of romantic tho, they had a bond that was pretty strong right off the get go of the game. I noticed it right away when she asked Arthur to find John it was just BOOM
I think Arthur had a crush on her in the past but during the time of RDR2, Arthur has got over her since he fell in love with Mary and the relationship between him and Abigail is simply friends. Arthur might have looked out for Abigail and Jack because of their friendship and probably he was just trying to be a father for Jack when John was irresponsible to his family
Arthur in heaven....Sean "There he is, the proud Englishman!"
Lol I liked Sean
@@eking5165 Sean was such a good lad
@@miety111 He really was!
@@eking5165 Me too
@@miety111 Imagine Beaver Hollow with him around
“The idea that I got now involves you and a hammer”
What, you gonna build another house or something?
*house building theme starts in the background*
Charles hears the theme from canada and runs back to build antoher house
Saahiljit Singh yes Charles is so powerful he doesn’t need to ride a horse as the urge to build that damn house boosts his adrenaline so much that he has the ability to run from Canada to the US in a matter of seconds.
Can't help you John, I've got chronic Lambago.
Chandler Bartholomew it’s a slow and painful death John, if I overdo it, I’ll get a relapse
Do you ever think that John feels guilty for not staying and fighting with Arthur on that mountain?
Probably. But he had his shoot out with the Pinkertons soon enough. What's sad is he had no way of knowing that a near death Arthur would be able to fend off government agents, only for Micah and Dutch to sneak up on him. What could John done though? There'd still be the possibility that John would get killed. And there was no other way for Arthur. If Arthur had fought off the law and killed Micah he still would have been on deaths door. They were still years away from a treatment option for TB. And thanks to Dutch he couldn't go west. And that was just a pipe dream at that point. That's at least how I would rationalize it if I was John.
Good point, but Arthur did tell him to get the hell out and was fighting the entire law, it would've meant eventual certain death
J Dawg At that point, do you really care if you die by a bullet, or from your disease a few hours later? Either way he could buy time for Marston to get out. By that point at least the path I went with with Arthur, he had readily accepted his death.
At that point in the game everyone knew Arthur was dying or at least very sick, he could not be saved. Arthurs time had come, but John, Abigail, and Jack still had there whole lives ahead of them. The time they had as a family wasn't as much as it should have been, but it was more than they ever would have had if Arthur didn't die better than he lived.
@@ethanbradley2089 I think it's just hard for John to talk about everything that went down that night. Like you said Arthur was dying for the TB and he probably wouldn't have made it out alive even if he had killed Micah and the Pinkertons.
In my headcanon, John is just sad that he didn't get a chance to do more for Arthur. Hindsight is 2020.
But this is why you have fanfic where you can change the ending of a great story into one with a happy ending where John, Abigail, Jack and Arthur run neighboring farms in Wyoming.
Let’s be honest John always sounds like he needs to cough
I'm dying at this😂😂
Nah his voice is ok. I've heard worse voices of people that sounded like they need to cough than his
True
@@koniczka2000 Sadie?
@@theknitby no.
This game came out in October 2018 and people are still finding conversations in 2020. What an awesome game
I keep thinking it was made in 2019 this game was a year ahead of it's time XD
Hey Deacon, I just started Playing your Days Gone right after I completed RDR2.
I keep Trying to Whistle & Call my Bike (Horse) to ride...lol
@@sinclairgomes3513 ok
@@sinclairgomes3513 Days Gone is my therapy for finding out about the Last of Us 2, a Zombie game with good narrative, grit, and Sam Witwer, WTF else do you want?! 👍
Sinclair Gomes Thank you! Enjoy riding the broken road my friend.
That conversation between Uncle and Abigail, knowing that Abigail was rescued by Uncle so many years ago. It’s so heavy.
All my years of playing games. never have a ever been so attached to a character like Arthur Morgan. RIP. Ride In Peace.
Jack created the moonwalker 70 years before michael jackson 0:49
LOL
Yawn.
He did you know!
Lol..
Damn ur vision 😂🤣🙏
mj's first moonwalk was in '83 not '77
Game is 2 years old and i still dont know all dialogues. RDR2 is a masterpiece. No words needed.
A year
Not til’ October 26th It’s crazy, it feels like yesterday when I pre-ordered the game
“John Marston is the luckiest man alive”
Agent Ross: *im about to end this man’s whole career*
Jack Marston: I'm about to end this geezers whole retirement
@@mariomorgan6083 unfortunately I don’t think Jack made it very long after that.
1914 aint a good time to be a gunslinger
@Ziyan’s Power Thats awesome! Glad he made it through both world wars… he was just young enough to be drafted in both. What a life…
Imagine you survive all this shit out in the west just to die in a muddy trench somewhere on a french field
Hold my cigarette RQ
Christ I miss Arthur.
That’s why I’ve replayed the game 7 times lol
**Update: so guys I’ve lost count I reckon it must be about 20 now lmao
Me too
I don’t want to move on from chapter 4 I love bumping into lenny and Hosea as arthur before everything went to hell
If only the story could have ended happier,but I guess that's how life goes unfortunately things don't always stay the same and people can change and sometimes loyalty stands for nothing with some people just as arthur found out,you can only imagine the level of hurt arthur felt seeing so many he cared for turn on him along with dying from TB,just glad he still had a handful of the gang that cared about him and had his back in the end such a great story that played out with both games but it was so sad and emotional,that you end up been drawn in to it that how can you not care about the characters.
I have 2 saves one for Arthur and one for John
I played 14 times lol
John is so mean to Uncle lmao
He was telling Jack about a talking British horse, and afterwards, if you use greet, you tell him to shut the hell up 😂
Lmaoo
Cause he don't know what he's talking about
"I got work to do"
Free roams, robs a train, gets wanted, doesn't return for days
“The past is gone, we left that behind”
*Laughs in Micah*
I wish they made John talk about him more
LCD Scorch ya me too but it would mess up the first game a bit
@Needles Iblis So why would he talk about Arthur alot eight years after he died but not just 4 years after the epilogue? It already has been many years, it wouldn't make sense for him to mention a guy who's been dead nearly a decade all the time.
Slim Dickens not to mention Arthur’s character wasn’t even thought of in red dead 1. Everything rockstar does has a purpose down to the nitty gritty details. This dialogue explains why John doesn’t talk about him to make up for any supposed inconsistencies. Clever ol rockstar.
Seeing that Arthur didn’t exist when RDR1 was released, would be pretty hard. Down with a remake and adding more Arthur mentions, Sadie, Charles, etc
I just dont wanna talk about him but I think about him
Arthur was one of the best charecters, that's why I always go back to play as him.
*beginning of video in pov mode*
Jack: Arthur!
Me: Wtf, Arthur came back to life?
Hahahah
It's nice to see dialogues still being found in this game
You can hear the sadness in John's voice when he tells Abigail "I'll talk about him but what's there to say?"
I feel like it isn't just about "forgetting the past" but more so with John not wanting to drop his 'Tough Guy' persona and start getting overly emotional with being reminded by Arthur... clearly we know this to be true when he tells Mary-Beth that "I think about him."
When Abigail starting crying I started tearing up 🥺 Especially after reading Arthur’s journal-
Obviously we know why it was put in that John doesn’t want to talk about Arthur because I’m the years to come he wasn’t actually part of the story but it’s kinda sad that he will honour arthur by killing Micah but yet won’t mention arthurs name again even though you can probably catch moment where John is alone when it’s quiet in the first game where it’s up to interpretation that he is thinking about arthur or imagining what arthur would do in his situation, especially when it comes to seeing bill Javier and dutch and his final moments in his barn before telling the people he cares for most to go and don’t look back before he gives his life so they could be free, in that moment especially I’d like to think he was thinking of the last thing arthur said to him “be a god damn man”
I've given this a lot of thought and tried putting myself in John's shoes. Then I realized that knowing Micah, if given the chance he would try to hurt me or my family without me being able to do anything about it.
If I had the ability to take him out and finally put my mind at ease I'd not let it go to waste. John as well as Arthur saw how Micah manipulated Dutch and in turn half of the remaining gang. Knowing that Micah wanted to bang my wife and probably even kill me in my sleep if he could, then I wouldn't risk leaving him be even if I had ways of continuously being informed of his whereabouts.
Because who knows, since he ratted on the gang before, he could easily be hired to hunt me or my family down eventually. This is also proven by the events leading up to RDR1. Agents come looking for Micah and upon finding his corpse they make the connection to John. Even if he didn't work for the law at the time it's possible that he mentioned John to them at one time. So in that case the damage was already done. Any of the opposing members of the gang could pose a threat to John by that point as well.
So once the law finds John in RDR1, he decides it's him or them (his old gang members). In the back of his head he knows that the law has no reason to not bring him down after his work is done, but then again he has no other choice.
@JBryan314 Bro I understood it perfectly
Glad to see that you’re still making RDR2 videos
0:49 I love how Jack was Michael JACKson
You’re a legend
Abigail: your pa doesn’t talk about him
Also John: Arthur gave me his satchel, and my friend came here before and I’m afraid he died.
It probably means nothing, but seeing Jack and Abigail talk about Arthur with that big, empty chair between them, casting shadows in the afternoon sun..it hurts, almost like another person was meant to be there. But wasn't.
I love how good the acting and mocap is in this game that when Jack says Arthur u can see it makes Abigail pause and there is a different vibe to the room.
Bro Arthur's story is so sad and badass at the same time
The pain in John's voice is so well done. It sounds like he's strained when mentioning Arthur.
John doesn't want to talk about Arthur because he's afraid that Jack would look up to them and also become an outlaw.
Arthur was the best character ever created In the history from gaming.
1:18 damn i think we need wide uncle walking
I still miss him dearly to this day. He was very strong silent type intelligence. His whole ordeal with Mary Linton and how he still loves her till the end( depending on ur character) was absolutely beautiful to me. When he says, “whenever you call I’d come Mary.”
That ain’t simping, he realized his choices made him loose the woman not who he is. And he dealt with it the best he could
When first time Jack said “Arthur… he saved us didn’t he?” My feels. 🥺
My head started playing the song from FarCry 5 opening theme just nice and smoothing.
Point Zero you make really good content. I like how you start your videos right away with no annoying intro and music. You also don't have bullshit on your channel while others do. I appreciate that, keep up the good work!
I know this has nothing to do with RDR2 or the video, but let's be honest, (imo) I think the 2 best video game characters are Arthur and Joel, I mean try to imagine Arthur and Joel teaming up together and gunning down everyone who gets in they're way
Blue Thunder I’ve thought about that as well! I’m sure people who’ve played TLoU and RDR2 make connections between both of the characters. They’re definitely two of my all time favorite protagonist.
Who tf is joel
@@bababooey8882 The protagonist from Tlou.
I just sat here and shed a tear at 4 in the morning for Arthur
Man. That conversation between Abigail and Uncle is actually really fucking sweet.
The best ever character in a video game.
RIP Arthur Morgan ♥️ i will tell my kids about him one day even if he is only a character in a game.
Does anyone else think that Abigail had feelings for Arthur too
@Mr. Obunga siblings that had sex on multiple occasions
Yeah... but that was before John
@Mr. Obunga Well Dutch specified in Red Dead that "We ALL had her", and Arthur in his journal suggesting he should have married her; it seems pretty likely they had sex.
It's also implied through dialogue John left the gang before RDR2 because he thought Jack might be Arthur's.
@@cd852 o-oh o.o
C D nah dude they don’t have habits like you
I just miss Arthur. Rdr2 was truly the best game i have played and i will allways drop a tear for that fitting ending
That explains why you guys are bitching about him not being mentioned in the first game
0:51 everybody gangsta till Jack starts moonwalking.
Wow you made me cry 😢. Great dialogue. Good stuff
kinda sad that john really tried to become a "normal" man and he managed to build a house and have some livestock but the past never forgot him and the crook agents shot him like a dog
What? RDR2 content in 2020? Thank you mate!
You still playing? Btw jack doesn't know about Sean,Hosea,Lenny death
Yeah, cause nobody would have told him, and that would explain why nobody fought back against Dutch, but I do have to say, if Lenny, Sean, Hosea, Charles, Sadie, Javier, reverend, the woman, uncle, mr person and trekking had been there in the right kindest, things maybe could have been different
IKR
@@liamcox7270 ok
Bunch of us still are
Liam Cox I wish things was different
"We thieves in a world that don't want us no more"
- Arthur Morgan, 1899
The past is gone line sounded so “read” to me if that makes any sense... didn’t sound natural
Damn I heard most of this during my 100% playthrough, glad you put it out
Sucks that Arthur was never mentioned in RDR1 I don’t think he was even planned when RDR1 was released
Yea of course he wasn’t...but if there’s ever be a Red Dead Redemption 3...I’m pretty sure he will get a cameo...John too
@@donchi1234 rdr3 could explore the gang origin and at the end, the blackwater massacre
well theres rumors a red dead redemption 1 remake is comming out maybe Arthur will get referenced there
If there is ever a Red dead 3 it should be as Jack as the protagonist. But break the cycle of killing off the protagonist
Love your profile picture
"Arthur . . . Arthur saved my life, before he passed. I don't talk about him much . . . but I think about him."
- John Marston
1:21 Jack: You sure about that, Uncle?
*Writes Red Dead and becomes a best seller and a classic*
Jack Marston's Red Dead Redemption Best Seller!
I’ve always felt bad for uncle, he is a sad man with no family left and nobody to love him. He had seen many things and watched many of his friends die one by one. He gets hated by most people including John and sometimes Arthur but he was always the wisest of the vanderline gang. He will always be my favourite gang member.
0:50
Jack it's a big Michael Jackson fan, and he know every move.
Its obvious that just the mention of the name “Arthur” makes john choke up and shut down. You can see it anytime he talks about him with old gang members and strangers that knew him. Remember, this is 1907, men weren’t too keen on showing their emotions. Its easier to say: _”its in the the past, we left that behind”_ and keep it to yourself rather than to acknowledge that the loss of arthur probably hit him real hard and maybe even makes him feel guilty. John (and almost any man from that time period) didn’t have the mental insight to deal with that sort of loss in a healthy way. And honestly, i don’t think i would be able to talk about my brother all the time if he went out the same way Arthur did even in this time period. Giving his life so you can live yours, thats heavy shit man. The thought of leaving Arthur alone on that mountain has to be incredibly painful and traumatic for John even if it was in the best interest of his family.
Abigail cries. How touchy. I miss Arthur. Best gunslinger.
RDR2 is the best game I ever played in my whole life it makes me cry so much when I see arthur die
I wish we get story mode DLC,like charles or adler dlc
Or RDR1 Remake.
Or one from my pain in the ass point of view.
@@dutchvanderlinde5280 lmao the "young dutch" profile pic you have makes your reply even funnier
I love how you can actually hear the change in Rob's voice in real time
Arthur Morgan, the legend.
“The past is gone, we left that behind.”
“WHERE’S MICAH?!”
I hate how forgotten Arthur becomes , only gets referenced for the one time of many he saved john
this game was by far my game of the year when it came out, the story just took me away and there was so much to do wish i could play it for the first time again
Rockstar games made it understandable
John always was a simple man. The power wasn't always flowing to the bulb up there in his head.
I wish RDR1's story never happen because it just ruins the experience you get after finishing RDR2
Play RDR2 first,
Then 1.
Wipe your mind clean from this game.
And start all over again...)
Well, if you can't play RDR1 - that means the story never happens.
This is why we Stan Jack, especially knowing the OG game ending
Ok so when rockstar was working on rdr1 he already thought about his new character and his story that's actually true tho he was thinking about arthur story, soon when rdr1 was gonna be finish they thought about the character name ( arthur) but why doesn't John mention him if rockstar already was working on his new character?, that's why I kinda want him to remake rdr1 because so John talks about arthur more, and you get to visit arthur grave again and plus ain't John house near strawberry and Blackwater? , well in rdr1 John is supposed to be in Mexico right so? Who did his house get to Mexico?
And I want John to talk about his old gang more and arthur too
And at the end I want him and arthur spirit animal together like on a cliff or near John's house, I also kinda want to visit the camps again and John has like flashbacks or something idk...
Idk it's just a thought I have 🤷♀️
They wouldn't have mentioned Arthur in RDR1 because RDR2 would have still be at the drawing board stage with the story no finalized or set in stone yet I anyway. As soo as they added details about it into RDR1 they would have been stuck with them and wouldn't have had as much artistic freedom to change their minds as RDR2 entered development. We know rockstar are whishy washy just based on how much they changed the RDR2 story even right before release
John's house wasn't in Mexico...
@@madmuziq it was..
arthur morgan his house isn’t in Mexico, did you play rdr because it doesn’t sound like it. He has safe houses in Mexico when he’s chasing bill and Javier but in the end he returns to Beechers hope where he dies and John doesn’t have to have his whole character revolve around arthur. Also I doubt they had the next game planned out while working on rdr1 because they had enough issues getting that one out
Actually he is following Arthur's last wishes.
"Move on and dont look back"
I never got why jack calls john, “sir”!
I'm pretty sure it was common back then. The father was the Head of the house, and the relationship between child and father back then was very different, and based solely on respect.
I called my dad sir
have you ever played god of war? lol
a son calling his dad "sir" is a really common thing, i cant even believe it surprises you that sometimes jack calls john "sir"
discipline and respect
🤣🤣 you obviously weren’t raised with sold respect ✊ this is how kids are still raised in southern families. You people act like it’s all history
"I've got work to do" means consume as many moonshines as I can before antagonizing the ranch and robbing a few trains.
Me sitting here: I wonder why Arthur is never mentioned in rdr1
John: ThE pAsT iS gOnE, wE lEfT tHaT bEhInD
Me: *Oh*
Arthur dying was probably the saddest protagonist death in a game, ever. Couldn't save himself, but saved a family and redeemed his soul.
Still makes me want to cry hearing Arthur Morgan is dead he was my favorite 😭😭😭 RIP...
When they remastered rdr1, I really hope they add more dialogue mentioning Arthur and Charles or Sadie
I've been playing this game since it released and put 500 hours in it, and I have never heard the conversation with Uncle and Abigail
John: the past is gone. We left that behind
Also John : *IT'S JOHN MARSTON MICAH*
It would have been heartwarming that if just after they come down the mountain at the end of the game we saw John, Abigail, Uncle, Charles, Sadie and Jack all sitting around and talking about what Arthur did for them. A delayed eulogy
Jack: u should play with us, pa!
**starts moonwalking**
almost 2 years later and you still find hidden dialogues
One of the best games ever made.
True art
so appearently Jack went full on skyrim NPC at 0:48
I cried at this. Jack is truly the best. The "Redemption" part comes from him killing Ross later
This game feels endless every replay I make there is always a lot of new dialogue and content there is just so much to do
1:13 when uncle was walkin down like that a line popped into my mind from lamar davis in gta online in one of his missions lamar: GET A JOB BUSTER
who else would say that to uncle when he was walkin down like that
I like the camera angle on how uncle was going to sit in the chair. This game amazes me
' Every man dies twice, once when he's in the ground and once when his name is uttered for the last time'
I can imagine john crying in his bed reading arthurs jornal about him, jack and abigail and how he actually cared for them so much.
Good video, nice to see this! 👍