Very Subjective... they all sound good to me but all a bit different. Warehouse were most appealing to me, and the Ten 30 sounded the clearest while using distortion. Amazingly they all sounded similar while clean. Great vid!
Great video overall and very illustrative, my favourite speaker overall is the WGS G10C/S, but all the others sounded great also. Otherwise, it's a bit of a surprise to me that most people hadn't realised that the Supro sound is exactly the same as the Blackface/Silverface one, the only thing that changes apart from the circuits, are that Supro amps have a cabinet that doesn't emphasises too much the high mids and that the tremolo and the reverb also are different from the Fenders.
I liked the Celestion Gold and the G10R that followed it. nice well balanced tone... Years ago, a friend had a 4 x 10" Hartke bass amp, and their roommate smoked the speakers by overdriving it with a keyboard. We replaced them with Celestions and it greatly improved the overall amp.
Alnico Gold, Warehouse G10C and Eminence 1058 are my favorites. Couldn't say which one is the best overall, but you can't really go wrong with an Alnico Gold.
well, there's a great video that shows clearly the difference a speaker makes to the tone of an amp. In your comment regards cabs, if it were a closed back cab, i think it would make a lot more change to tone of each speaker. a gold and green back 10" twin cab would be nice to hear, though maybe unmatched in volume.
Interesting to hear the Eminence 1028K and SC64 back to back, and realize they sound so similar. I have a 1028K in a 1963 Fender Princeton and it sounds great but was thinking on switching to the SC64. Now I think you saved me some money… thanks!
Funnily enough I could barely tell the two Warehouse or the several Celestions apart in the clean samples. Listening through my HiFi (it took me some time deciding which speakers to listen to speakers through!😆) I heard some weird frequency on the Eminence GA10-SC64 speakers in the first clean samples. The final sustained chord either makes my speakers or the actual sample speaker vibrate in a very undesirable way.
You heard correctly. There was an ugly something going on in that Eminence. Interestingly, it went after making some full volume amp captures, where they really push the amps/speakers to the maximum levels, as part of the process. Very little difference between some of them clean. Overdrive definitely brings out the differences.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 Went away permanently? How odd. The final part of breaking in perhaps or maybe shook something loose; a handful of screws stuck on the magnet maybe. 😃 Yes it's definitely when overdriven harmonics start to colour the scene that some speakers begin to take flight and others flap and wither.
@@goodbyepolarbears172 I can’t explain it really, other than that something settled down or realigned. It’s the speaker I’d been using for about 5 years in the Princeton and the amp had often been turned right up. I had initially just thought the amp had very little clean headroom, as you only heard it, when completely clean. I knew the dirt was there, but it disappeared in a track and other than the odd practice session, it was always being used with a band. My first amp, was a Peavey Decade (bought new in ‘81). I sold my first bass to the guy around the corner and let him borrow that amp. I’d never used the Peavey for bass and it came back with the speaker distorting. A while later, the downstairs of our house, where my gear was, flooded, in a massive storm and the amp sat in water, for a couple of hours, that was about half way up the 8” speaker. After it dried out, the distortion went away! 🤔
@aphekrecordingstudio4274 Careful there Greg. The suggestion that you can clean up the distortion in your speakers by rinsing them in water could spread throughout the internet like wildfire🧯😄. They'll all be trying it! Oh well, if they must I guess it would be advisable to TAKE THEM OUT OF YOUR COMBO FIRST! 😆
@@goodbyepolarbears172 Well. it was a 50% soak of around half the speaker (if you're taking notes). Unfortunately, not knowing or expecting the improvement (and being 15), I didn't measure it. I didn't get that choice to remove it from the cab. I was on the way to school. Not that we made it, as all the roads were flooded. Amazingly the particleboard Peavey cab, didn't swell up! Could that be the key? Submerge it, while still screwed onto the baffle. We could be onto something! 🤫
Nice video. Well thought out! I'm looking for a replacement for my 68 Princeton Reverb. It's such a bass heavy amp. I made a new baffle and installed a 12" Cannibis Rex. It handles the bass frequencies great but I find myself longing for the character of a 10". Which of these speakers would you say best handled the bass frequencies? The Celestion Gold sounded best on my phone.
I’ve just made a video, that will be up in a few hours, comparing 10s to 12s. When you say the Princeton is bass heavy, do you want more or less bottom? Did yours have the Celestion Ten 30? The Gold is great. I have the GA10-SC64 in my ‘68 Princeton, which I’ve been fairly happy with. I’m mainly a Celestion user, so was going for something a little different.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 Yes, I had the Ten 30. I found there's too much low end and it kind of flubbs out because the speaker can't handle it. I've always wanted to try the GA, but now the Gold has also piqued my interest.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 ive tried several 10s in my 68 princeton reissue, ragin cajun, 1028k, ga10-sc64, g10 vintage. i like the stock speaker at lower volumes. the ga sounded dead/dull when i first put it in. the g10 vintage was all low mids and didnt sound good in the princeton. i have the 1028k in now it sounds ok. the ragin cajun sounded ok in the princeton cab, lots of lower mids and mids but i have it in another cab i built out of pine and it sounds big and full like a 12 and sounds best with overdrive i think. i think the stock speaker sounds best overall but i wish i could have that sound but louder. do you know what speaker might have the same sound but more efficient?
@@jhue73 Have you seen this? ua-cam.com/video/vI7pQ8R6gIU/v-deo.html That’s my only experience with different 10s in a Princeton. I usually need to turn down the bass a fair bit, as I turn it up. I’ve also swapped the stock 25uf cathode bypass cap on the first gain stage, for a 10uf, which reduces the low end and tightens it up.
I thought that the overall winner was the Warehouse G10CS. It sounded the best to me on the first two riffs, and still sounded good with the Tweed Vibrolux, although all three alnico speakers sounded great on that one, with the Celestion Gold winning.
Excellent presentation and lots of work providing this demo. Honestly if the speakers were babes they would all be 8s-10s. Fella couldn’t go wrong with any of them. Truthfully we all have different amps including cabs so to find that exact speaker that truly is that 10 would be a crap shoot at best but I would say your experiment shows me they all would get the job done tastefully. Thanks for sharing and I’m going to check out some of your other content. Great job sir.
Well done! I like a combo of the Celestion Gold and a wGS G10C/S in a 77 Vibrolux. About to A/B vs. a closed back Tremolux cab with Weber Alnico 10A125s - to your point, less sensitive speakers for more amp grind. On these speakers I may have missed it, but was there a break-in period, or were they straight out of the box? Really well done. thank you!
My three 10" favorites, the G10 Creamback, VT-Junior and the Jensen Silverbird are missing here unfortunately. (the CB sounds surprisingly good with high-gain amps and has a very unique character, which also differs it from the 12" Creambacks, the VT is the allrounder and the Silverbird has a very balanced sound, apart from the - Jensen typical - for my taste still a little too thin and shrill treble.) Next thing, a single 10" speaker usually does not really sound excellent, for me 10" speakers sound best in 210 cabinets, in the best case with semi-open costruction, which you can alter to closed. The 210 also has the advantage, that you can combine different speakers, which really can improve the tone, if they harmonize well. But the best combination for me is a 12" 10" combination, which gives you the faster attack of the 10" plus the better low end of the 12". If I only had to choose one of the speakers here, I took - even surprising for myself - The Ten 30. Already had it once, it replaced the scratchy sounding Eminence in my Crate Vintage Club. Big improvement! I like the 12" Greenbacks, but the 10" version does not convince me so much, sounds too boxy to me and most other speakers too thin and shrill. But the for me by far best sounding 10" speaker is a 1960's Elac Alnico, if you find one anywhere. A little similar to a 12" Alnico Silver Bell, but even a liitle more intense, but not boxy sounding mids, not too shrill treble and sufficient bass. Nevertheless a nice comparison.
Thanks. Definitely not an all inclusive comparison. You’ll probably find this interesting. I was a little surprised by the results. ua-cam.com/video/UqbYDRuDfQc/v-deo.html
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 yes i agree but believe me older celetions ten inch speakers are far better these 2. i have g10l-35 and g10s-50 there are much similar to 12 counterpart.
Funny I just recorded a similar video but with 10" British flavoured speaker. I still have to edit the video. I also think that clean sound is not that great for comparison, crunch is the best to reveal all the differences when not in front of the cab (through a UA-cam video for exemple 😊). Your video is great, an reamping is to me the only way to really compare them. Mine are : wgs retro 10, wgs et10, emminence ramrod, celestion greenback, creamback, g10-l35 and tone tubby 40/40.
I'm going with the Creamback for recording and the Blue for live work and that's before I've watched it. I'll see and report back in 10 mins. The Jenson's I love but what if they're not in this video! Half way through and Warehouse, for me at least are fuller, warmer and best. Eminence have always been awful, at least for me. So they all sounded good on a clean sound but the Eminence were decent but the rest were better. I think on a high gain the Eminence speaker sounds fizzy but the Warehouse were best. Good work, that must've taken ages to video this!
The Jensen is my least favourite too. Especially when overdriven. Quite thin and scratchy. I can see if being useful for a bright clean sound, in certain situations.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 I believe that most people like their guitar sound to be heavy on treble. I am the opposite, I like a full-sounding speaker. Great video, btw.
@@scottmotown Too many high frequencies often sound cheap to me. The treble frequencies definitely make them appear louder. I’ve just uploaded a video comparing 10” & 12” speakers and the 12s have how’re high end. Made it harder to balance the levels with the 10s, as they stood out more.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 I couldn't agree more. We used to say that people that liked a lot of high-end had a "tin ear". I have heard some people call balanced speakers "muddy" and having heard muddy before, I find it funny. I am looking forward to more vids. I will give the comparison video a watch today or tomorrow.
I've heard this said before but found a good UA-cam video that actually managed to debunk the suggestion. Whilst, yes it compresses the bit size, it appears to not compress the amplitude of the audio signal in the way that an actual audio compressor does. Maybe others have proven the opposite somewhere?
Very Subjective... they all sound good to me but all a bit different. Warehouse were most appealing to me, and the Ten 30 sounded the clearest while using distortion. Amazingly they all sounded similar while clean. Great vid!
The Warehouse speakers impressed me the most. Great demo!
Great video overall and very illustrative, my favourite speaker overall is the WGS G10C/S, but all the others sounded great also. Otherwise, it's a bit of a surprise to me that most people hadn't realised that the Supro sound is exactly the same as the Blackface/Silverface one, the only thing that changes apart from the circuits, are that Supro amps have a cabinet that doesn't emphasises too much the high mids and that the tremolo and the reverb also are different from the Fenders.
Really appreciate the work that went into this. It's really great to have all of these to listen to.
Thanks, great video! I really like the G10C.
I liked the Celestion Gold and the G10R that followed it. nice well balanced tone... Years ago, a friend had a 4 x 10" Hartke bass amp, and their roommate smoked the speakers by overdriving it with a keyboard. We replaced them with Celestions and it greatly improved the overall amp.
The Celestion G10R Ten 30 and the Eminence GA10-SC64 are almost identical, but very different in price.
Alnico Gold, Warehouse G10C and Eminence 1058 are my favorites. Couldn't say which one is the best overall, but you can't really go wrong with an Alnico Gold.
Excellent. I really enjoyed listening to this demonstration. Very Well Done. Thank You.
Dang! Awesome demo. I was really astounded by the 4 cabinet comparison with the same speaker;
Thanks. I did the same test a few years ago. This should go straight to that spot. ua-cam.com/video/KMXJTUxGtjM/v-deo.html
well, there's a great video that shows clearly the difference a speaker makes to the tone of an amp. In your comment regards cabs, if it were a closed back cab, i think it would make a lot more change to tone of each speaker. a gold and green back 10" twin cab would be nice to hear, though maybe unmatched in volume.
Pretty impressed with the warehouse speakers
I have the g12c/s and it’s very nice
Interesting to hear the Eminence 1028K and SC64 back to back, and realize they sound so similar. I have a 1028K in a 1963 Fender Princeton and it sounds great but was thinking on switching to the SC64. Now I think you saved me some money… thanks!
I was surprised too. Incredibly similar. So much for the supposed differences between alnico and ceramic magnets.🤯
Funnily enough I could barely tell the two Warehouse or the several Celestions apart in the clean samples.
Listening through my HiFi (it took me some time deciding which speakers to listen to speakers through!😆) I heard some weird frequency on the Eminence GA10-SC64 speakers in the first clean samples. The final sustained chord either makes my speakers or the actual sample speaker vibrate in a very undesirable way.
You heard correctly. There was an ugly something going on in that Eminence. Interestingly, it went after making some full volume amp captures, where they really push the amps/speakers to the maximum levels, as part of the process.
Very little difference between some of them clean. Overdrive definitely brings out the differences.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 Went away permanently? How odd. The final part of breaking in perhaps or maybe shook something loose; a handful of screws stuck on the magnet maybe. 😃
Yes it's definitely when overdriven harmonics start to colour the scene that some speakers begin to take flight and others flap and wither.
@@goodbyepolarbears172 I can’t explain it really, other than that something settled down or realigned. It’s the speaker I’d been using for about 5 years in the Princeton and the amp had often been turned right up. I had initially just thought the amp had very little clean headroom, as you only heard it, when completely clean. I knew the dirt was there, but it disappeared in a track and other than the odd practice session, it was always being used with a band.
My first amp, was a Peavey Decade (bought new in ‘81). I sold my first bass to the guy around the corner and let him borrow that amp. I’d never used the Peavey for bass and it came back with the speaker distorting. A while later, the downstairs of our house, where my gear was, flooded, in a massive storm and the amp sat in water, for a couple of hours, that was about half way up the 8” speaker. After it dried out, the distortion went away! 🤔
@aphekrecordingstudio4274 Careful there Greg. The suggestion that you can clean up the distortion in your speakers by rinsing them in water could spread throughout the internet like wildfire🧯😄. They'll all be trying it!
Oh well, if they must I guess it would be advisable to TAKE THEM OUT OF YOUR COMBO FIRST! 😆
@@goodbyepolarbears172 Well. it was a 50% soak of around half the speaker (if you're taking notes). Unfortunately, not knowing or expecting the improvement (and being 15), I didn't measure it. I didn't get that choice to remove it from the cab. I was on the way to school. Not that we made it, as all the roads were flooded. Amazingly the particleboard Peavey cab, didn't swell up! Could that be the key? Submerge it, while still screwed onto the baffle. We could be onto something! 🤫
Nice video. Well thought out! I'm looking for a replacement for my 68 Princeton Reverb. It's such a bass heavy amp. I made a new baffle and installed a 12" Cannibis Rex. It handles the bass frequencies great but I find myself longing for the character of a 10".
Which of these speakers would you say best handled the bass frequencies?
The Celestion Gold sounded best on my phone.
I’ve just made a video, that will be up in a few hours, comparing 10s to 12s. When you say the Princeton is bass heavy, do you want more or less bottom? Did yours have the Celestion Ten 30? The Gold is great. I have the GA10-SC64 in my ‘68 Princeton, which I’ve been fairly happy with. I’m mainly a Celestion user, so was going for something a little different.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 Yes, I had the Ten 30. I found there's too much low end and it kind of flubbs out because the speaker can't handle it.
I've always wanted to try the GA, but now the Gold has also piqued my interest.
@@seanpatrickwatkins640 I think the Gold would be better than the GA for what you’re wanting. Tighter and handles more power. The GA is only 20 watts.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 ive tried several 10s in my 68 princeton reissue, ragin cajun, 1028k, ga10-sc64, g10 vintage. i like the stock speaker at lower volumes. the ga sounded dead/dull when i first put it in. the g10 vintage was all low mids and didnt sound good in the princeton. i have the 1028k in now it sounds ok. the ragin cajun sounded ok in the princeton cab, lots of lower mids and mids but i have it in another cab i built out of pine and it sounds big and full like a 12 and sounds best with overdrive i think. i think the stock speaker sounds best overall but i wish i could have that sound but louder. do you know what speaker might have the same sound but more efficient?
@@jhue73 Have you seen this? ua-cam.com/video/vI7pQ8R6gIU/v-deo.html That’s my only experience with different 10s in a Princeton. I usually need to turn down the bass a fair bit, as I turn it up. I’ve also swapped the stock 25uf cathode bypass cap on the first gain stage, for a 10uf, which reduces the low end and tightens it up.
I liked the Celestion G10R Ten 30 speaker overall. I think it will fit my style of playing best.
I really dug the Warehouse speakers
I thought that the overall winner was the Warehouse G10CS. It sounded the best to me on the first two riffs, and still sounded good with the Tweed Vibrolux, although all three alnico speakers sounded great on that one, with the Celestion Gold winning.
I like the 1058 the best
That P10R is not the regular model. It's the P10R-FEN that was designed for removing the ice pick in the bormal P10R.
Excellent presentation and lots of work providing this demo. Honestly if the speakers were babes they would all be 8s-10s. Fella couldn’t go wrong with any of them. Truthfully we all have different amps including cabs so to find that exact speaker that truly is that 10 would be a crap shoot at best but I would say your experiment shows me they all would get the job done tastefully. Thanks for sharing and I’m going to check out some of your other content. Great job sir.
Thanks. Great description of the difference between them. 😁
Excellent demo. I wonder how a Weber would have faired?
Well done! I like a combo of the Celestion Gold and a wGS G10C/S in a 77 Vibrolux. About to A/B vs. a closed back Tremolux cab with Weber Alnico 10A125s - to your point, less sensitive speakers for more amp grind.
On these speakers I may have missed it, but was there a break-in period, or were they straight out of the box? Really well done. thank you!
Thanks. Yes, they’d all been broken in. All ones I’d owned for a number of years. Nothing unused.
My three 10" favorites, the G10 Creamback, VT-Junior and the Jensen Silverbird are missing here unfortunately. (the CB sounds surprisingly good with high-gain amps and has a very unique character, which also differs it from the 12" Creambacks, the VT is the allrounder and the Silverbird has a very balanced sound, apart from the - Jensen typical - for my taste still a little too thin and shrill treble.)
Next thing, a single 10" speaker usually does not really sound excellent, for me 10" speakers sound best in 210 cabinets, in the best case with semi-open costruction, which you can alter to closed. The 210 also has the advantage, that you can combine different speakers, which really can improve the tone, if they harmonize well.
But the best combination for me is a 12" 10" combination, which gives you the faster attack of the 10" plus the better low end of the 12".
If I only had to choose one of the speakers here, I took - even surprising for myself - The Ten 30. Already had it once, it replaced the scratchy sounding Eminence in my Crate Vintage Club. Big improvement! I like the 12" Greenbacks, but the 10" version does not convince me so much, sounds too boxy to me and most other speakers too thin and shrill.
But the for me by far best sounding 10" speaker is a 1960's Elac Alnico, if you find one anywhere. A little similar to a 12" Alnico Silver Bell, but even a liitle more intense, but not boxy sounding mids, not too shrill treble and sufficient bass.
Nevertheless a nice comparison.
Thanks. Definitely not an all inclusive comparison. You’ll probably find this interesting. I was a little surprised by the results. ua-cam.com/video/UqbYDRuDfQc/v-deo.html
The two ten inch speakers in my mates musicman sound glorious
warehouse orange tens !!!!!!!! i have them in my 1983 fender concert 4x10 amd am VERY happy ....75 watts each, approx 100 bucks each
really liked celestion gold and surprisingly the ten 30.
Yes. Amazing how similar they are, with the massive price difference.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 yes i agree but believe me older celetions ten inch speakers are far better these 2. i have g10l-35 and g10s-50 there are much similar to 12 counterpart.
Funny I just recorded a similar video but with 10" British flavoured speaker. I still have to edit the video. I also think that clean sound is not that great for comparison, crunch is the best to reveal all the differences when not in front of the cab (through a UA-cam video for exemple 😊).
Your video is great, an reamping is to me the only way to really compare them.
Mine are : wgs retro 10, wgs et10, emminence ramrod, celestion greenback, creamback, g10-l35 and tone tubby 40/40.
I’m keen to see it.
Will look forward myself to see your video. I'm looking for a 10" speaker actually 2. Got a 4x10 cab going to swap out 2 off the celestion 70-30 's
I'm going with the Creamback for recording and the Blue for live work and that's before I've watched it. I'll see and report back in 10 mins. The Jenson's I love but what if they're not in this video!
Half way through and Warehouse, for me at least are fuller, warmer and best. Eminence have always been awful, at least for me.
So they all sounded good on a clean sound but the Eminence were decent but the rest were better. I think on a high gain the Eminence speaker sounds fizzy but the Warehouse were best. Good work, that must've taken ages to video this!
Were these speakers properly given a break in period before the test?
Yes. Definitely. They had all had extensive use.
Another great video Greg.. I liked the Greenback and the Gold best. The Jensen was the only one I would not go for.
The Jensen is my least favourite too. Especially when overdriven. Quite thin and scratchy. I can see if being useful for a bright clean sound, in certain situations.
Opposite, for me.
Those Eminence speakers were great.
We seem to be the only ones who like them. I did wonder if people would respond differently, if they didn't know who made them?
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 I believe that most people like their guitar sound to be heavy on treble. I am the opposite, I like a full-sounding speaker. Great video, btw.
@@scottmotown Too many high frequencies often sound cheap to me. The treble frequencies definitely make them appear louder. I’ve just uploaded a video comparing 10” & 12” speakers and the 12s have how’re high end. Made it harder to balance the levels with the 10s, as they stood out more.
@@aphekrecordingstudio4274 I couldn't agree more. We used to say that people that liked a lot of high-end had a "tin ear". I have heard some people call balanced speakers "muddy" and having heard muddy before, I find it funny. I am looking forward to more vids. I will give the comparison video a watch today or tomorrow.
I liked the sound of the intro and can pass on the rest of the experiment
Since UA-cam compresses their audio, it's a useless endeavor
Having heard the before and after, it doesn’t change the sound that much.
I've heard this said before but found a good UA-cam video that actually managed to debunk the suggestion. Whilst, yes it compresses the bit size, it appears to not compress the amplitude of the audio signal in the way that an actual audio compressor does. Maybe others have proven the opposite somewhere?
Brilliant!
Alnico has the edge. Until i heard Eminence Back.