I find that you can’t really respond to them, not because there are actual contradictions in the Bible, but those insisting on them refuse to take the time to listen to you or actually work out what they got wrong. There are several websites that go through “contradictions” that are easy to Google. Lack of information was never the issue.
People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child? #3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
There are actually multiple corruptions of the text in the bible. The lady perhaps isnt aware as she should be or shes been mislead herself. They will try to mitigate the corruptions by saying they are immaterial or dont effect a doctrine but theres several late additions and corruptions especially in the KJV that do effect doctrine
@@macmac1022 #1 depends on what is inside the person, they could be severely judged or not. Judgement is not allowed among humans (unless your a judge of material things , not moral things). #2 I would save the child. #3 no, again judgement (justice) is not within a human beings ability to handle correctly. #4 Yes, I would save the child. #5 Metaphor for reaching a conscious understanding of good and evil after using one's free will in disobedience. Finite beings must learn to be safe while traveling on the road called Infinity! If they select the "full knowledge" route, which is our destiny for some reason I figure.... well, one way or another, whatever way it is, they must still learn the process of being safe! Would you drive on a curvy mountain road doing four times the speed limit? There is safety in this infinite journey when a person adheres to God's Directions.
@@J-hz4jb >> #1 depends on what is inside the person, they could be severely judged or not. Judgement is not allowed among humans (unless your a judge of material things , not moral things)."" The reason they are doing it is because of question 2, now can you give a more solid answer? If they were mentally impaired or sever water phobia I agree that changes things. >>#2 I would save the child. #3 no, again judgement (justice) is not within a human beings ability to handle correctly. To reach a perfect level of justice I would agree. And what we have today is better then things used to be but still a lot of corruption in the politics of it. I am not even sure if retributive justice is the best way to go, there could be better ways where we just solve the problem the person is having if we can. I think we could do alot better then what we have today. >>#4 Yes, I would save the child. >>#5 Metaphor for reaching a conscious understanding of good and evil after using one's free will in disobedience. Finite beings must learn to be safe while traveling on the road called Infinity! If they select the "full knowledge" route, which is our destiny for some reason I figure.... well, one way or another, whatever way it is, they must still learn the process of being safe! Would you drive on a curvy mountain road doing four times the speed limit?"" Not normally no, but in the right car like a formula1 HELL YA!!!! If you ask a question I will do my best to answer it. >>There is safety in this infinite journey when a person adheres to God's Directions."" Take away the analogous look of question #5 and look at the question it is. Is that a good parent? You are at 3/5 so far.
Nicely done, this podcast was really good and it covers everything. J Warner Wallace covers the direct evidence of eye-witness accounts really good too.
I haven't found any errors or contradictions in the bible. I have found that the challenger has the error - 100% of the time. The reasons vary, but always go back to the person questioning the bible.
Reminds me of something I recently read in JC Ryle's Expository Thoughts on Mark: "The plain truth is that we ought to be very slow to give credit to the unconverted man's professed reasons for not serving Christ. We may be tolerably sure that when he says, "I cannot," the real meaning of his heart is "I will not." The ruin of thousands is simply this, that they deal dishonestly with their own souls. They allege pretended difficulties as the cause of their not serving Christ, while in reality they "love darkness rather than light," and have no honest desire to change."
I personally do not like to use the word "inerrant" to describe the Bible. There are apparent contradictions, almost invariably involving minor matters of detail (did Jesus tell His disciples to take a staff or not to take a staff? Depends on which Gospel your read) which so far have defied explanation. But I think that in the Bible we have an accurate record of the verbal revelation which God imparted to inspired prophets and apostles. So the Bible is, in a very real sense, the Word of God.
Then that just introduces a slippery slope. If God’s written word isn’t inerrant, then what about his spoken word? What is it about writing that suddenly reduces God’s accuracy? I was going to share a link from Answers in Genesis to explain that staff “contradiction”, but my comment disappeared so you’ll have to Google it. A lot of apparent discrepancies just come down to Greek or Hebrew nuances, historical/cultural facts, and basic context. The one you mentioned falls into the first category.
@@Window4503 You have to take into consideration the way the Bible itself describes the process of revelation. God makes a revelation to inspired prophets and apostles by various means -- visions, dreams, sometimes directly, sometimes with the Holy Spirit communicating directly with the spirit of the apostle or prophet. Then the human prophet or apostle would commit to writing the revelation that he had received. In some cases (e.g. Jeremiah, Paul) he would dictate it to an amanuensis. The problem is that the way the doctrine of inerrancy is usually phrased, it was the written document that was inerrant. And those of us who have had experience in writing and publishing know that you can a clear idea in your mind of what you want to say, but that doesn't mean that you won't misspell a word or accidently leave something out. And you did make a valid observation, that because several languages are involved, that may account for some of the discrepancies. The New Testament writers would often quote from the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, which sometimes differs from standard Masoretic Hebrew text. When Jesus made the comment about whether or not to carry a staff, He was probably speaking in Aramaic. Depending on how His listeners heard it, it could have come across as either "and not a staff" or "except a staff." The words in Hebrew, at least, would have sounded very similar. But you are still left with a contradiction in the Greek text we have in our New Testaments.
My solution to this was converting to Greek Orthodox Christianity, where there is a much better understanding of the original languages of the Bible, as well as the biblical authors mindsets and historical cultural contexts around many things in the Bible, including biblical contradictions.
@@sapphirelane1714 Orthodox Christianity is the same church founded by Christ’s apostles. Many of the same original Christian churches mentioned in the Bible by Paul in his letters are the same Orthodox churches still open and practicing in those same exact ancient biblical locations (as in, still literally at the same address the whole time) today. So yes, it teaches the same true (and original) gospel that it has for 2000 years beginning with Christ’s apostles who were directly taught by Christ himself. This church came before Rome (Roman Catholicism) and before all other denominations that were a product of the Reformation. And has been preserved ever since by the cultures it was founded in, for example, Greek culture (one of the original languages and cultures of the Bible and of the gospels). A good book on this is called “The Religion of the Apostles”, by Stephen DeYoung, about Orthodox Christianity (and the role of Christ’s apostles in founding it) in the first century after Christ died. Lots of good historical info.
Anyone who wants to can get a deep understanding of Biblical languages, cultures and authors' mindsets. Its hard work! But anyone can do it. My favorite in the area is John Walton. His Lost World series is accessible to the lay person (like me!) yet covers this material concisely and authoritatively.
One analogy that James White used was that its better to have a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle with 1500 pieces, than one with 500 pieces. We can ascertain the original by the plethora of pieces that we have.
So no contradictions, just "variants". Like Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts"? Some pretty big "variants". For instance, how MANY people were resurrected at the Resurrection? One? (Mark, Luke, John)....or many (Matthew)? Or more basically, what DAY and HOUR was the Crucifixion? Mark's "variant" or John's "variant"?
When she’s talking about variants, she’s talking about manuscript copies of a single text. So the argument there, at least for the NT (the Tanakh is a much, much more complicated story as far as manuscripts go) is that the texts are 99% preserved accurately, and all the variants are incredibly minor and don’t effect the meaning of the text. In terms of contradictions, some are much stronger than others. Your examples happen to be weaker ones. The fact that three gospels don’t mention a detail where one does is not necessarily a contradiction. A true contradiction can only be such where a detail precludes another’s possibility altogether. Your second example is better than your first, admittedly. But even there, we do what we always do with historical documents: calculate the probability of each alternative on various grounds. Yes, Christians desperately need to bite the bullet and reject Scriptural innerancy, and embrace infallibilitism instead. I could point out a number of other real contradictions in the text for you and would be glad to discuss them and how I personally account for them if you would like. I don’t find them as challenges to my faith but rather as a source of excitement. ✝️
@@ManoverSuperman "The fact that three gospels don’t mention a detail where one does is not necessarily a contradiction." You don't think John, Luke, and Mark "overlooking" dozens of resurrections is just "missing a detail"?
@@mashah1085Yes, it is. Not every detail has to be mentioned. Only Matthew mentions the parable of the unforgiving servant; only Mark has the detail of an unknown young men fleeing away naked at Jesus’ arrest; only Luke has Jesus’ presentation in the temple as a babe; only John has Jesus washing his disciples’ feet. It is not a contradiction for any number of gospels to have any number of unique details. Our incredulity is worthless in criticizing things of this nature. You have to see that the same things occur with other historical figures like Caesar Nero, Alexander the Great, Socrates, etc.
The most reasonable explanation is that the disciples were mistaken. Statistically, what is more likely? People being mistaken, or someone rising from the dead?
Originally the Gospel of Mark ended with no resurrection story. In Mark the resurrection theme was added later, a second century addition. In Mark story line Jesus is by no means the expected Messiah. For example in some instances in Mark when Jesus is forecasting when the end will happen he said and then he will come the Messiah not I but he. One direct contradiction in the New Testament is Paul statement in Romans that all authorities in the world are put here by God as oppose to the author of the book of Revelations who said all authorities in the world are put here by Satan and they are both referring to the same Roman government.
@@chardo24You are saying Paul and Revelation contradict. I disagree, and I think the evidence shows they are in perfect agreement, and in turn they perfectly agree with the rest of the NT writings.
Perfect transmission would have to be supernatural if it was to have occurred, and not only that, it would have to be a continuous supernatural event for continuing perfect preservation. We could just say to our non-Christian friends, just try copying the text of the Bible and make an error.. they wouldn't be able to. Thankfully, only Muslims have made this claim. Perfect preservation of the Qur'an, even though their own hadith tells of countless omissions. Not only that but there are dozens of different Qur'ans circulating even today. The fact that 99% of these transmission errors are trivial is what matters, and they should be expected.
Try Eusebius. The Bible is sufficient though. It’s a compilation of separate documents from different times and authors so it’s already it’s own best reference. Unbelievers SHOULD be arguing that the Bible’s books don’t belong together at all. By saying you can’t use it as a reference because it’s one book, they’re admitting that it’s all a unified body of works that relate to each other.
Flavius Josephus is a non-Christian source. Also, chapter 4 of the book The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel there’s a chapter called: The Corroborating Evidence - Is there credible evidence for Jesus outside of his biographies?
1. You're saying a dead guy came back to life. Pics or it didn't happen. 2. He is supposed to have come back to life in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse (Matthew 27:52-53). How do we know that wasn't the cause of the raised-from-the dead traditions? But that just turns it into a commonplace event. 3. What's the deal with needing to redeem humanity. It was one apple. What could it cost, ten dollars? I have ten dollars; tell me where the collections counter is and I'll redeem humanity myself. 4. Suppose Jesus did rise from the dead, how does that make him God? I don't worship Drew Barrymore.
Contradiction? Proverbs 26:4-5 New International Version 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Those are lessons in the "catch 22s" of this world. They are not meant as directions to live by but lessons on what can happen. Mark Twain has a similar lesson (he may have got it after reading that Passage).... "Don't argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience." Jesus also Taught at times in this manner, and also using parables. The parables and lessons become very powerful insights, if one meditates on the Words of Jesus and the lessons in The New Testament.
To anyone reading this. There are several material corruptions in the Bible especially the KJV. Acts 15:24 KJV is a fine example of a material corruption. The gentiles were taught to obey the Law of Moses. The KJV says they were not. We know its a corruption because James makes Paul do the nazarite vow because he was accused of apostasy against Moses so we know that they upheld the law and were zelous for it. They would be relying on Isaiah 56 where it says the Gentile(sojourner) is to Honor the Sabbath and obey the commandments. If this woman cant see the condradictions in the bible she needs to get back to bible study. God bless her heart. Who cares what Bart ehrman has to say. Hes not a christian so can we trust his opinion about Christianity? Paul condradict the Teachings of Jesus several sveral times. James and Paul condradict one another. Revelations condradicts Pauls epistles. The Law is still in effect ladies and gentlemen. You can guarantee it. The bible doesnt have any condradictions. Thats rich. The fundemental teachings of Jesus are still intact though i should note that.
The Vatican still hold 10 books which never made it into the bible. The book of Enoch etc. King James was a Freemason and tried and failed to get rid of the, then very popular Geneva bible. The original King James Version is the only bible to have the word Easter in it, all others say Passover. Isaiah is so relevant to today’s generation.
I do not reject Christ's teaching by contradictions in the Bible. I use the teachings of Jesus to reject parts of the Bible being true. First, we must decipher with our Teacher, the Holy Spirit, which is the Word, not the Bible which is of the world. Second, he said, "Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgement." So what has happened on earth is not what is true. The history of the Bible, including the Resurrection, has no meaning for me. These bodies don't see truth, They see appearances. We must use our spiritual minds, the Christ mind, to know truth, not the faculties of the body. And then we see truly being born again instead of thinking we are flesh. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
Then you must not use the words of Jesus at all because Jesus recognizes both the Old and New Testament as true. You’re sawing the branch you stand on.
@@Window4503 God supposedly told Moses to make it a law that adulterers need to be stoned to death. Jesus chose to forgive the woman completely that was caught in adultery. Either Jesus wasn't hearing God correctly or God changed his mind or Moses wasn't hearing God correctly because he had major anger issues and projected those onto God. But one thing is for sure: Jesus was not confirming the Old Testament as the way to treat each other according to God
@@robertdouglas8895So Jesus telling the lawyer that stood up to test him that by keeping the commandments he would live wasn’t an endorsement of the law of Moses? Or how about in the story of the rich man and Lazarus where Moses is represented as telling the rich man in Hades that his brothers should heed the Law and Prophets? I don’t think you have a grasp of the real and historical Jesus. He certainly wasn’t preaching what you are saying.
@@ManoverSuperman Jesus made additions and revisions to the law. the major one being mercy, which people with anger issues like Moses didn't understand or follow. Another was how to keep the Sabbath holy. The Sabbath was made for man not man made for the Sabbath.
@@ManoverSuperman You use words of Jesus to support that agrees with the whole of the OT instead of finding contradictions. Jesus told us to love God with all of our heart. Do you think that it true? Can you love and fear both? 'There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love " Then would he have ever said this:"“Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
They want to believe. Otherwise they would just walk away. They question because they want to believe.
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I find that you can’t really respond to them, not because there are actual contradictions in the Bible, but those insisting on them refuse to take the time to listen to you or actually work out what they got wrong. There are several websites that go through “contradictions” that are easy to Google. Lack of information was never the issue.
People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics.
#1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral?
#2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child?
#3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others?
#4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it?
#5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
There are actually multiple corruptions of the text in the bible. The lady perhaps isnt aware as she should be or shes been mislead herself. They will try to mitigate the corruptions by saying they are immaterial or dont effect a doctrine but theres several late additions and corruptions especially in the KJV that do effect doctrine
@@macmac1022 #1 depends on what is inside the person, they could be severely judged or not. Judgement is not allowed among humans (unless your a judge of material things , not moral things).
#2 I would save the child.
#3 no, again judgement (justice) is not within a human beings ability to handle correctly.
#4 Yes, I would save the child.
#5 Metaphor for reaching a conscious understanding of good and evil after using one's free will in disobedience. Finite beings must learn to be safe while traveling on the road called Infinity! If they select the "full knowledge" route, which is our destiny for some reason I figure.... well, one way or another, whatever way it is, they must still learn the process of being safe! Would you drive on a curvy mountain road doing four times the speed limit? There is safety in this infinite journey when a person adheres to God's Directions.
@@J-hz4jb >> #1 depends on what is inside the person, they could be severely judged or not. Judgement is not allowed among humans (unless your a judge of material things , not moral things).""
The reason they are doing it is because of question 2, now can you give a more solid answer?
If they were mentally impaired or sever water phobia I agree that changes things.
>>#2 I would save the child.
#3 no, again judgement (justice) is not within a human beings ability to handle correctly.
To reach a perfect level of justice I would agree. And what we have today is better then things used to be but still a lot of corruption in the politics of it. I am not even sure if retributive justice is the best way to go, there could be better ways where we just solve the problem the person is having if we can. I think we could do alot better then what we have today.
>>#4 Yes, I would save the child.
>>#5 Metaphor for reaching a conscious understanding of good and evil after using one's free will in disobedience. Finite beings must learn to be safe while traveling on the road called Infinity! If they select the "full knowledge" route, which is our destiny for some reason I figure.... well, one way or another, whatever way it is, they must still learn the process of being safe! Would you drive on a curvy mountain road doing four times the speed limit?""
Not normally no, but in the right car like a formula1 HELL YA!!!! If you ask a question I will do my best to answer it.
>>There is safety in this infinite journey when a person adheres to God's Directions.""
Take away the analogous look of question #5 and look at the question it is. Is that a good parent? You are at 3/5 so far.
Absolutely, you just rewrite the Bible.
I love your heart for apologetics. Keep up the good work, Alisa!
Nicely done, this podcast was really good and it covers everything. J Warner Wallace covers the direct evidence of eye-witness accounts really good too.
I haven't found any errors or contradictions in the bible.
I have found that the challenger has the error - 100% of the time.
The reasons vary, but always go back to the person questioning the bible.
Reminds me of something I recently read in JC Ryle's Expository Thoughts on Mark: "The plain truth is that we ought to be very slow to give credit to the unconverted man's professed reasons for not serving Christ. We may be tolerably sure that when he says, "I cannot," the real meaning of his heart is "I will not." The ruin of thousands is simply this, that they deal dishonestly with their own souls. They allege pretended difficulties as the cause of their not serving Christ, while in reality they "love darkness rather than light," and have no honest desire to change."
I personally do not like to use the word "inerrant" to describe the Bible. There are apparent contradictions, almost invariably involving minor matters of detail (did Jesus tell His disciples to take a staff or not to take a staff? Depends on which Gospel your read) which so far have defied explanation. But I think that in the Bible we have an accurate record of the verbal revelation which God imparted to inspired prophets and apostles. So the Bible is, in a very real sense, the Word of God.
Then that just introduces a slippery slope. If God’s written word isn’t inerrant, then what about his spoken word? What is it about writing that suddenly reduces God’s accuracy?
I was going to share a link from Answers in Genesis to explain that staff “contradiction”, but my comment disappeared so you’ll have to Google it. A lot of apparent discrepancies just come down to Greek or Hebrew nuances, historical/cultural facts, and basic context. The one you mentioned falls into the first category.
@@Window4503 You have to take into consideration the way the Bible itself describes the process of revelation. God makes a revelation to inspired prophets and apostles by various means -- visions, dreams, sometimes directly, sometimes with the Holy Spirit communicating directly with the spirit of the apostle or prophet. Then the human prophet or apostle would commit to writing the revelation that he had received. In some cases (e.g. Jeremiah, Paul) he would dictate it to an amanuensis. The problem is that the way the doctrine of inerrancy is usually phrased, it was the written document that was inerrant. And those of us who have had experience in writing and publishing know that you can a clear idea in your mind of what you want to say, but that doesn't mean that you won't misspell a word or accidently leave something out.
And you did make a valid observation, that because several languages are involved, that may account for some of the discrepancies. The New Testament writers would often quote from the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, which sometimes differs from standard Masoretic Hebrew text. When Jesus made the comment about whether or not to carry a staff, He was probably speaking in Aramaic. Depending on how His listeners heard it, it could have come across as either "and not a staff" or "except a staff." The words in Hebrew, at least, would have sounded very similar. But you are still left with a contradiction in the Greek text we have in our New Testaments.
Well explained!
My solution to this was converting to Greek Orthodox Christianity, where there is a much better understanding of the original languages of the Bible, as well as the biblical authors mindsets and historical cultural contexts around many things in the Bible, including biblical contradictions.
Do they preach the true gospel, though?
@@sapphirelane1714 Orthodox Christianity is the same church founded by Christ’s apostles. Many of the same original Christian churches mentioned in the Bible by Paul in his letters are the same Orthodox churches still open and practicing in those same exact ancient biblical locations (as in, still literally at the same address the whole time) today. So yes, it teaches the same true (and original) gospel that it has for 2000 years beginning with Christ’s apostles who were directly taught by Christ himself. This church came before Rome (Roman Catholicism) and before all other denominations that were a product of the Reformation. And has been preserved ever since by the cultures it was founded in, for example, Greek culture (one of the original languages and cultures of the Bible and of the gospels).
A good book on this is called “The Religion of the Apostles”, by Stephen DeYoung, about Orthodox Christianity (and the role of Christ’s apostles in founding it) in the first century after Christ died. Lots of good historical info.
Anyone who wants to can get a deep understanding of Biblical languages, cultures and authors' mindsets. Its hard work! But anyone can do it. My favorite in the area is John Walton. His Lost World series is accessible to the lay person (like me!) yet covers this material concisely and authoritatively.
One analogy that James White used was that its better to have a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle with 1500 pieces, than one with 500 pieces.
We can ascertain the original by the plethora of pieces that we have.
So no contradictions, just "variants". Like Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts"? Some pretty big "variants". For instance, how MANY people were resurrected at the Resurrection? One? (Mark, Luke, John)....or many (Matthew)? Or more basically, what DAY and HOUR was the Crucifixion? Mark's "variant" or John's "variant"?
When she’s talking about variants, she’s talking about manuscript copies of a single text. So the argument there, at least for the NT (the Tanakh is a much, much more complicated story as far as manuscripts go) is that the texts are 99% preserved accurately, and all the variants are incredibly minor and don’t effect the meaning of the text.
In terms of contradictions, some are much stronger than others. Your examples happen to be weaker ones. The fact that three gospels don’t mention a detail where one does is not necessarily a contradiction. A true contradiction can only be such where a detail precludes another’s possibility altogether. Your second example is better than your first, admittedly. But even there, we do what we always do with historical documents: calculate the probability of each alternative on various grounds. Yes, Christians desperately need to bite the bullet and reject Scriptural innerancy, and embrace infallibilitism instead.
I could point out a number of other real contradictions in the text for you and would be glad to discuss them and how I personally account for them if you would like. I don’t find them as challenges to my faith but rather as a source of excitement. ✝️
@@ManoverSuperman "The fact that three gospels don’t mention a detail where one does is not necessarily a contradiction."
You don't think John, Luke, and Mark "overlooking" dozens of resurrections is just "missing a detail"?
@@mashah1085Yes, it is. Not every detail has to be mentioned. Only Matthew mentions the parable of the unforgiving servant; only Mark has the detail of an unknown young men fleeing away naked at Jesus’ arrest; only Luke has Jesus’ presentation in the temple as a babe; only John has Jesus washing his disciples’ feet. It is not a contradiction for any number of gospels to have any number of unique details. Our incredulity is worthless in criticizing things of this nature.
You have to see that the same things occur with other historical figures like Caesar Nero, Alexander the Great, Socrates, etc.
@@ManoverSuperman So you don't think the idea of ONE resurrection is that much more important than dozens of resurrections?
The most reasonable explanation is that the disciples were mistaken. Statistically, what is more likely? People being mistaken, or someone rising from the dead?
Glory be to God! Thank you!
Dr Sean McDowell has shown that we can only be relatively confident regarding how 3 disciples died. Not all twelve.
Alisha, you are indeed a saint!!!
What study bible do you recommend ?
You might want to see the documentary Fragments of Truth on UA-cam
I recommend a great little book called Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible by John Haley.
Originally the Gospel of Mark ended with no resurrection story. In Mark the resurrection theme was added later, a second century addition. In Mark story line Jesus is by no means the expected Messiah. For example in some instances in Mark when Jesus is forecasting when the end will happen he said and then he will come the Messiah not I but he. One direct contradiction in the New Testament is Paul statement in Romans that all authorities in the world are put here by God as oppose to the author of the book of Revelations who said all authorities in the world are put here by Satan and they are both referring to the same Roman government.
No, Paul says there is no authority but it comes from God. So any authority exercised by the Devil is only by God’s allowance.
@@ManoverSuperman I am not arguing against to what you are arguing.
@@chardo24You are saying Paul and Revelation contradict. I disagree, and I think the evidence shows they are in perfect agreement, and in turn they perfectly agree with the rest of the NT writings.
I have read Joseph's about both Jesus and James.
Perfect transmission would have to be supernatural if it was to have occurred, and not only that, it would have to be a continuous supernatural event for continuing perfect preservation.
We could just say to our non-Christian friends, just try copying the text of the Bible and make an error.. they wouldn't be able to.
Thankfully, only Muslims have made this claim. Perfect preservation of the Qur'an, even though their own hadith tells of countless omissions. Not only that but there are dozens of different Qur'ans circulating even today.
The fact that 99% of these transmission errors are trivial is what matters, and they should be expected.
Anybody have those non-Christian sources that talk about Christ?
Try Eusebius. The Bible is sufficient though. It’s a compilation of separate documents from different times and authors so it’s already it’s own best reference. Unbelievers SHOULD be arguing that the Bible’s books don’t belong together at all. By saying you can’t use it as a reference because it’s one book, they’re admitting that it’s all a unified body of works that relate to each other.
Flavius Josephus is a non-Christian source.
Also, chapter 4 of the book The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel there’s a chapter called: The Corroborating Evidence - Is there credible evidence for Jesus outside of his biographies?
There are no errors or contradictions in the Bible, however there are paradoxes that can only be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.
No contradictions , no errors, just low information by people who don't know how to comprehend and study the word of God.
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1. You're saying a dead guy came back to life. Pics or it didn't happen.
2. He is supposed to have come back to life in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse (Matthew 27:52-53). How do we know that wasn't the cause of the raised-from-the dead traditions? But that just turns it into a commonplace event.
3. What's the deal with needing to redeem humanity. It was one apple. What could it cost, ten dollars? I have ten dollars; tell me where the collections counter is and I'll redeem humanity myself.
4. Suppose Jesus did rise from the dead, how does that make him God? I don't worship Drew Barrymore.
Your opening statement hasn’t been proven true.
I appreciate you started with if it happened.
Contradiction?
Proverbs 26:4-5
New International Version
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Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
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Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Paradox
Those are lessons in the "catch 22s" of this world. They are not meant as directions to live by but lessons on what can happen. Mark Twain has a similar lesson (he may have got it after reading that Passage).... "Don't argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience." Jesus also Taught at times in this manner, and also using parables. The parables and lessons become very powerful insights, if one meditates on the Words of Jesus and the lessons in The New Testament.
To anyone reading this. There are several material corruptions in the Bible especially the KJV. Acts 15:24 KJV is a fine example of a material corruption. The gentiles were taught to obey the Law of Moses. The KJV says they were not. We know its a corruption because James makes Paul do the nazarite vow because he was accused of apostasy against Moses so we know that they upheld the law and were zelous for it. They would be relying on Isaiah 56 where it says the Gentile(sojourner) is to Honor the Sabbath and obey the commandments. If this woman cant see the condradictions in the bible she needs to get back to bible study. God bless her heart. Who cares what Bart ehrman has to say. Hes not a christian so can we trust his opinion about Christianity? Paul condradict the Teachings of Jesus several sveral times. James and Paul condradict one another. Revelations condradicts Pauls epistles. The Law is still in effect ladies and gentlemen. You can guarantee it. The bible doesnt have any condradictions. Thats rich. The fundemental teachings of Jesus are still intact though i should note that.
The Vatican still hold 10 books which never made it into the bible. The book of Enoch etc. King James was a Freemason and tried and failed to get rid of the, then very popular Geneva bible. The original King James Version is the only bible to have the word Easter in it, all others say Passover. Isaiah is so relevant to today’s generation.
I do not reject Christ's teaching by contradictions in the Bible. I use the teachings of Jesus to reject parts of the Bible being true. First, we must decipher with our Teacher, the Holy Spirit, which is the Word, not the Bible which is of the world. Second, he said, "Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgement."
So what has happened on earth is not what is true. The history of the Bible, including the Resurrection, has no meaning for me. These bodies don't see truth, They see appearances. We must use our spiritual minds, the Christ mind, to know truth, not the faculties of the body. And then we see truly being born again instead of thinking we are flesh.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
Then you must not use the words of Jesus at all because Jesus recognizes both the Old and New Testament as true. You’re sawing the branch you stand on.
@@Window4503 God supposedly told Moses to make it a law that adulterers need to be stoned to death.
Jesus chose to forgive the woman completely that was caught in adultery.
Either Jesus wasn't hearing God correctly or God changed his mind or Moses wasn't hearing God correctly because he had major anger issues and projected those onto God.
But one thing is for sure: Jesus was not confirming the Old Testament as the way to treat each other according to God
@@robertdouglas8895So Jesus telling the lawyer that stood up to test him that by keeping the commandments he would live wasn’t an endorsement of the law of Moses? Or how about in the story of the rich man and Lazarus where Moses is represented as telling the rich man in Hades that his brothers should heed the Law and Prophets? I don’t think you have a grasp of the real and historical Jesus. He certainly wasn’t preaching what you are saying.
@@ManoverSuperman Jesus made additions and revisions to the law. the major one being mercy, which people with anger issues like Moses didn't understand or follow.
Another was how to keep the Sabbath holy. The Sabbath was made for man not man made for the Sabbath.
@@ManoverSuperman You use words of Jesus to support that agrees with the whole of the OT instead of finding contradictions. Jesus told us to love God with all of our heart. Do you think that it true? Can you love and fear both? 'There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love "
Then would he have ever said this:"“Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Get the Geneve bible. Problem solved
A person of faith ignores the contradictions that fill the pages of the Bible. Only the outsiders can spot them.