One thing that I really hate about them is that they are conformist. They think that they're doing good things, but their actions are often damaging to others.
i dont know the right words but doofy28 has opinion wich is based on fact? and they probably dont really fool themselves dont even think about it but human nauture has never changed with MEDITATION it might be possible well its mainly business these days not real stuff but get to point aB@@Abel.Abelson MARKETING IS BASED ON THAT AND MAYBE NOT INSTINCT FEELING? WELL INSTICT AND FEELINGS MAYBE MISS SOMETHING So Abel says definitely agrees? then he says its all about that but whaat? feeling curiosu yet? and tells intresting fact to make intrested gives spark to want know . good marketing i guess if it worked. im mainly intrested how they manipulate humans and program their brain in school if dont do homework punishh!! yes make him slave obeys and other stuff.
~Ive noticed it seems most neurotypicals are into groupthink & tend to make decisions based on whatever is the accepted mainstream thought, whereas most neurodivergents tend to be more critical thinkers & independent thinkers~
It seems obvious to me that we should guide our actions, as much as possible, based on real, objective reality, and not our feelings. Being a human, I can't do it all the time, or even much of the time, but I can't imagine not thinking about _reality_ at all.
@Olivia Pure logical reasoning has limits. What makes us human is our feelings. Our feelings are the reason why the material (the objective) aroumd us has 'meaning', its why we have morals. Self awareness must accompany critical thinking.
I will be very honest with you guys. Sincerely, i feel like that all of you are dumb people that hide behind a title - in this case, the "neurodivergent" - and throw shit in the opposite side because you aren't fully capable of comprehending the reality, so you need to create a polarization. Neurodivergent, neurotypical, these are all BETA TERMS.
There really should be more stigma around people who are so neurotypical that they are only able to think laterally - it's incredibly limiting/destructive.
And how do you define people who are "so neurotypical?" At what level of being normal should you be stigmatized? How is this even workable? Why stigmatize the way people are born? They can't be any different.
I agree with the implication in your first 2 question. But the last question and statement are bullshit. And usually an excuse. Humans are flexible and are able to learn and change.
@@user-dj7ds4gg7v Yeah, I get the point, it’s just not right to make another person suffer because we’re suffering ourselves, it never leads to good things.
I literally thought I was an alien in human skin lost or Forgotten. I notice how stupid the average person is and It doesn't make me feel smart.... It just makes me feel ........not stupid 🤦♂️
I have the same, for both things you mention. The second is probably simply a difference in intelligence. Concerning the first, I'm considering "insecure attachment" (as a child with my supposed caregivers who weren't up to giving care, given their own sad histories), and am looking into C-PTSD. I can really recommend the work of Janina Fisher in that respect, in case you would be interested in investigating this route. If not, yes, very recognizable :). Thanks for commenting!
I just read your book “how to handle neurotypicals”. I am impressed. I feel the same exact way, but I thought I was the only one. I too have been incredibly confused about my intellect. One on hand I scored highly on standardized test and received full fellowships into 2 top five engineering schools, but on the other I am clueless when it comes to people. So I thought I was dumb and I was incredibly confused how neurotypical engineers would throw out words like they understood them. It made me feel like trash because they seem so smart and I can’t understand why someone would brag about something they don’t understand. Now, at 38, I’m realizing how clueless they all are and that it’s all just a social game (about grabbing the banana and monkey’s ass if you will 😂). It seems they don’t think AT ALL. It’s frightening that the world is led by these clueless monsters. Dude we should compare notes. I wrote a ton after being diagnosed.
If you think you're dismayed, Rob, just try being a woman on the spectrum! Social "games", rules, conventions and norms are thrust down our throats from an early age. The agony of socialising, looking immaculate whilst remembering to smile even though there's nothing to smile about, the absolute crazy making nature of the dating game, it is my fault I'm told for not reading the situation or knowing how and when to flirt, like you, scoring very highly on IQ tests but so far unable to translate my genius into something practical, putting neurotypical men off for being too bright and literally seeing right through them, as you say they don't use the right words in the right way and mostly don't make much sense in anything much deeper than small talk and now I've been branded the crazy one for not fitting in. I asked God why He made me to live amongst the meddling middlers, as it's like I'm always outnumbered and they don't want to listen to or dismiss my perspective. When I get annoyed, they say I'm childish as I can't always expect to get my own way! Other things that annoy me about them: their musical taste sucks and they don't really listen to it, their dress is so conventional and sombre, they rely completely on experts and have total faith in authority even though some of them are only human and the rest are actual devils, they notice NOTHING, they don't see the birds, insects, flowers, what's happening in the sky, their sixth sense is very limited and the spiritual dimension within them appears to have been drummed out of them. When I'm with them, I feel alone because I cannot share my experiences with them in a meaningful way. My father was also an electronics engineer, extremely intelligent. He had to leave his job early because of not fitting in. He couldn't get on with his bosses either yet he designed 3 new inventions that were later patented. I pray that God will help us survive these difficulties and injustices.
@@cristinaroe2166 it’s a freaking curse being intellectually gifted. The world expects more of you and you are scrutinized for every mistake. Then they think you are crazy for daring to think differently. I hear you. 100%. My grandmother had to put up with bitchy men with an IQ half of hers; I’m hoping society can stop with the toxic masculinity. Like you, I seem to be more aware of the bull crap in the world; at least more then the rest of the herd. And it hurts. A lot. I’ve had many breakdowns and depressions. I’m so sick of it. People always think you are bragging. But they are just projecting their own intellectual insecurities. I DO NOT CARE IF YOU THINK YOU ARE DUMMER. I’ve met tons of people smarter than me. I’d admit, first it’s intimidating; but I find joy in it. How narcissistic would someone have to be to think they are the smartest person ever. I am just a statistic … trying to live.
@@cristinaroe2166 you can't always get your own way ok but when you never get your own way that is called being marginalized NT's are the first to want things their own way and then complain when all you want is to be reasonable.
I'm watching this video because I've gotten to a point where I honestly can't see much of the way NT's function as anything other than stupid. There have been way too many times in my life I've encountered problems simply because NT's don't function on logic, and are so closed minded to any experience that differs from theirs, that it has been impossible to work with them reliably. Thats not to say that I don't get along with them typically, however, when an issue does come up, it may as well be impossible because of how unlikely an NT is to be willing to look at facts of a situation and compare notes rather than jumping on their ego and or emotions and having to be right, and having to see anything different than what they want to see as being wrong. Even if the topic is whether 2+2 is 4. Their ego and emotions will not let them see what is in front of their face. They care more about what others think than they do about results. They care more about whose idea something was than they do about how functional the idea is. They are quick to assumptions, and treat assumptions as fact no matter how easy it may be to disprove, then get upset when they are disproven viewing it as disrespect, never mind that functioning on real information makes the task far more manageable, its way more important to them that they are seen as right. I've reached a point where I no longer believe in my ability to hold down a normal job at a normal company due to how likely it is that there is someone in a management position who is incapable of logic and reason. Given how often I've heard "don't reinvent the wheel" and "if it aint broke don't fix it", I honestly don't think people would have ever learned to make fire if it wasn't for NDs. NT's are too content with "thats how it is, doesn't matter that there is no good reason for it, doesn't matter that its making life exponentially harder than necessary, my ego is more important" My issue with NT's isn't that they do stupid things, its their refusal to learn from them. For example, an NT with ask the SAME EXACT question a dozen times and never change the question always expecting that the next time you answer it the response will be different. The issue with NT's is their unwillingness to acknowledge when they are being stupid. When the are not functioning on logic and reason they are completely unwilling to acknowledge it, and refuse to function from logic and reason if their ego's or emotions are engaged at a level of 3 or more out of 10.
It's true that most characteristics of cluster B personalities are on a continuum, with neurotypicals not scoring extremely high (so often they don't pass the threshold), but neither scoring extremely low either. This follows from the definition of neurotypical, so analytically this is no surprise, but in real life it means that they're all quite narcissistic, manipulative, etc.
Yes. Narcissistic hegemony rules and Commodus is King. The Neurotypical king who is in fact a Narcissistic Psychopath. Technology is no good for NTs themselves. We have Versklavung Durch Technik now. Easter Island is a great example of Neurotypical stupidity
@@Abel.Abelson So my lifetime suspicions have been confirmed! I’ve spent my whole life being shocked and dismayed at what I consider to be people’s extreme self-absorption and narcissism, but I’ve always been made to feel that my perceptions of people are wrong. I’ve always been told “You expect too much from people”, as if it’s my problem. I’m not expecting too much. I’m expecting people to be sincere and mean what they say, and to just display some GENUINE empathy for others once in a while.
You really think that you're superior to anyone who doesn't have a brain disorder? Seriously? You're willing to call me a moron because I'm different???
Thank you for this material. It is very good. I loved it. Please continue sharing your thoughts. I am a person who has polymathic ability. I find it fun to join knowledge from different fields like history and psychology to understand today's world. I have also noticed that neurotypical people often place an inferior value on intellect and knowledge. Sometimes, they will reject a really smart suggestion from you because a close friend offered another suggestion. Your idea will be turned down because you are different or not friendly enough. It doesn't have anything to do with your idea being illogical. Another person's idea will be accepted due to friendship and loyalty even if it is horrible idea.
Yeah those were difficult realizations for me, but neurotypical people seem to decide what is true or not true via association. I have seen this what you describe many times. To them it seems everything must be tinged in a social spectacle filter. That makes it more difficult for them, to look at the thing in of itself. *This is how politics work from my point of view - some popular person in a suit talks gibberish (law language is illogical) and then sells out the country - taddaaaah!Then people clap, and have various opinions on the performance of that said polit prostitute, as if they were dogs in a dograce, or something they could bet on. In one expression - the belly rules over their brain* Makes you wonder how they came up with these barely structured state architectures - such high vertical hierarchies, full of incompetence and malevolence. And bellyfeels. You know, in regard to emotions, association, friendship and loyalty are connected - its healthy to share emotions over these. That people share feelings like that is normal, that we share ideas is normal - but in regard to ADOPTING ones worldview, deciding on facts and knowledge, it should not be done out of sentimentalities.. In the same way it is unhealthy to adopt anothers dumb ideas on the basis of mere association alone. Its silly, but i think they do this because they dont want anyone to find out that they cant think for themselves. The process of adopting truths, knowledge and information in general should not be treated like contagious emotions - but via testing and comparing, processing and postulating new viewpoints - but they dont think that far my friend. Sometimes even smart people do this though - the smarter end of neurotypicals are almost equally susceptible to this, than their less eloquent specimen. We are not in a world where good and bad ideas are tested - genetic algorithms are stupid and blind. Genetic pressure will force people to adopt idiocy if it helps them get laid or get free stuff or whatever. Which is natural. Genetic algorithms can force populations to become dumber, as the organism adapts to a environment that would favour bad behaviour, then such organisms would be selected. If mankind made all this progress just to shut off the brain completely and reduce himself to ooze, then it would be truly a tragedy to behold. The brain burns the most calories in the body amongst all organs - if we dont need it, it will devolve. Its so expensive a machine.. So delicate. Normies are too aggressive a species, for us to make it to a level 1 civilization. We can start by Stopping to pander to the silly needs of them, and stop building surveillance tech, weapons and other gimicks for them, which they inevitably will use against us.
A way around that is to cater the conversation to where you lead them (or lead them with you) to a beautiful conclusion as if it were a spontaneous mutual discovery. I often speak with people according to their understanding and try to only build upon where they’re willing to lay a brick. When communicating we’re dealing with so much more than logic, because we have to pass through so many other thresholds such as fear and pride. I notice that my mind opens up so much more with someone who has the capacity to receive, and not just in ability to think.
Love this. Wonderfully explained. Very much exposes the fallacy of stupidity within neuro divergent individuals for making smart things, but giving it to people who use them stupidly. lol
This makes total sense. I do think alike most general people wouldn’t investigate further but rather follow instinctual fast problem, fast solutions. Investigate when failure occurs hmmm 🧐
Nice video. 5:00 I share your theory, that divergent brains tend to invent, and normative brains tend to just .. exist, somehow.. But don't get it confused. There are very many (VERY MANY) people who are not neurotypical, working in low, "stupid" jobs. Just because we are smart, does not mean we get to advance to professional jobs. For some of us, including myself, obtaining the license/permit to do menial labor jobs (driver's license, gen contractor license, degree from college) is very difficult, and as a result, we live richly while performing the dull, hard work of every day jobs. And you know, there's opportunities for innovation in every job in the world. So, please do not refer to mechanics and mailpersons when you REALLY mean Neurotypical people. You have many people listening to you, and I hope you use this opportunity responsibly. When you speak, please only speak for yourself. Here are just a few examples from my life, and my friends: book retail, grocery, high end restaurant, low end restaurant, cafeteria, landscaping, farming, education, administrative work, machine engineering, coding, sex work, meat cutting/packing, hauling, and my personal favorite, petty crime. (that's a joke. i don't actually enjoy committing crimes)
Yes, I definitely felt the same way when Abel insisted "it wasn't Uncle Tom the mechanic, it wasn't the baker, it wasn't the mailman". I met extremely bright people, who are clearly underachievers/have imposter syndrome or simply wanted to have a peace at last! Lead a peaceful life, without pressure (I'm not saying their job is easy but they don't want to follow another's expectations.) They want to do what they want to do. Or they simply like that, they like do to that (have a bakery, the touch and smell of flour, of bread etc., the feeling of doing something nice and useful for people, especially if they had a previous job, in which they had to do things which caused them pricks of conscience). And the best of it is that for many jobs, many of them can also set hours, not working long hours and once they get home or in their free time, now their real or second life starts. They dedicate it to their passion, whatever it is. So there are many reasons why a neurodivergent person can actually have a plain job. What we mean here is: we can't equate plain job with neurotypical. No, you can find HIQ people there.
Sorry for the confusing jargon, but yeah basically NT (iNtuitive-thinker) types inventing the new ideas, SJ (sensing-concrete) people mocking them for being weird, the same song and dance of humanity, and how an iNtuitive thinker must avoid the noob trap of resentment/bitterness, and learn to navigate your way in the socio-economic-emotional landscape that seems so silly yet can be exploited if you learn it well, and hopefully build yourself a community of other likeminded people and make something great, instead of sitting at home being an armchair philosopher. Or at least this is my interpretation.
Thats the thing. Logic is just a tool. I am either an INFJ or an ENTP according to Myers Briggs, and it depends on my mood. People generally dont understand me.
I'm pretty sure I'm a neurotypical individual but I have never understood how other neurotypicals operate. Specially mentioned in the video is how often people will avoid a solution just because they don't want too. No reason other than it doesn't meet their specific criteria for a solution. And, the amount of times they get the solution they desire only for it to blow up in their face when it turns out to be a poor solution.
Congratulations. You logically described how I'm feeling. I probably would have been classified as neurotypical by you, if you were to observe my life.
I either write a book or a short commentary. Here: I am amazed at how similar our thinking is. Similar stories (MENSA [164] and others), but I am much older. Only I seem to have less hope than you. Maybe in my youth in my country being myself was too much for everyone to handle. Just envy and/or dismissal. I am actually happy to be still alive! Now it is easier to be treated decently or even to be recognized as a valuable being despite our diversity. Good luck and thanks for the videos. See you on the mother ship :)
i dont know about stupid but some of them are ignorant and have no empathy for other peoples conditions or the enviroment around them, im autistic im often missunderstood ive experienced alot of ignorance and mate crimes simply because im different to them.
Charisma. I really, really do not get why neurotypicals judge the value of an idea based on how charismatic someone is, when charisma has nothing whatsoever to do with issues in the real world. In everyday life, it can mean that less charismatic people get drowned out, don't feel listened to, and get bullied. In the most extreme case of all, Hitler convinced enough German people that killing all the Jews, and anyone who was not part of the fictitious "Aryan race", was somehow a good idea. How much suffering has happened, because of a failure to understand what should be the most self-evidently obvious thing in the world?
It is indeed annoying but it does make sense. Their "mind horizon" is quite close by so they rely on others, who seem to them to know things better (usually just because they're full of themselves), to guide them. Check out my book on neurotypicals (link in description) for more sense beneath what appears nonsense. You actually have to get how they're wired, in a quite literal sense, and then the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Thanks for commenting!
What about William Shockley, Ed Kemper, Fritz Haber, Rick Rosner, Thomas Midgley Jr., Jimmy Saville, all the scientists involved in the invention of the nuclear bomb, and so on...?
Yeah I guess in a way we are actually the dumb ones because everyone else gets along but we are the ones that are actually different. Ignorance is bliss
We are the other because we diverge from the majority, according to the majority. But the majority is further away from a natural state than you and me are. Ignorance is the cause of all pain. Neurotypicals are basically walking entropy-generators. They just dont give a damn that they cause pain, they are either too numb, to egotistical, or they lack the bandwidth to consider what they actually do. I see it when i see them walk in the train station. They dont sense around the corners. To them everything ends at the next corner - as for all 3D beings. I cant see around corners, i can SENSE around corners. In a room with you i can sense your heart beating. I can feel the lady who is jogging, her clothes on her skin. Everything. My mirror neurons basically provides me a nearly complete somatic sensory input from anyone within 30m radius.. hahaha.. 95% of neurotypicals will have great difficulty achieving the meta-goal - enlightenment. Knowledge, jnana, that is bliss! That self which has selfknowledge is blissfull. There are only 2 people in this world who are happy: Fools and sages. Ignorance, avidya, or entropy, is the cause of all limitations, mental, psychic and bodily. Ignorance is the selfcreated demon who haunts mankind and all beings. The neurotypicals are split in two - body and mind. I am neither body nor mind - i am the world and the self in one person. The worldself! I expand myself in everything i see and enter it, and see myself back. He who knows that brahman - that immutable observer - he alone finds happyness. Wether im drowning, fleeing, working, sleeping eating - in these regards nothing changed. The dreamstate will be key to the best possible future for mankind, as far as i am concerned. All the (biased personal) evidence of my life points towards the fact that the dreamworld is the same thing as the waking world, in a different state. A state superior to the waking state in its effects on the relatively unmovable rails of ordinary waking life. The waking person, or cosmos, is the first state, where life moves in solid streets - the dreamer has only inner senses, and sees the inner world - our mental representation of the world, or astral zone. In sleep consciousness withdraws from the senses altogether, just like a tortoise retracts its limbs. The fourth state of consciousness, self awareness, is verily what makes us human. I am convinced animals also have it to a degree - but even in humans we can see how HUGE the mental differences are. So what to speak of animals. Their conscius buffer window has certainly less resolution. More resolution = more joy. The only thing that changes is that now im constantly present in all states - wether dream, sleep or wake. Which makes my actions less obstructable than before. I was also split into 2 like neurotypicals, but now there is no more ME. In a sense there is more than before - an ego identified with immanence, not the phenomenon. But when the self and the world merge back into one, that is the most stable state you can be in. First i thought the world was outside of me, then i thought it was inside me, and then i realized i was that which generated the world. Expanding my mind into the cosmos, the cosmos entered my body. Now my senses are not distractions anymore. This constant feeling of expanding in all directions.. I, the puppet body, am not that real allexpanding power. The truth is that the cosmos is as "human", as we are. And why? Because outside of ourselves, there is no cosmos. The senses of boltzman brains are argus eyes. Thus is the nature of the one force - brahman. *Vasudevah sarvam iti* - everything is vasudeva! Every unit contains everything - there is no duality. There is no second one. One without a second, tad ekatma rupam! And that one, that lucky one, is the most happy person (bhagavan). No one knows him - he knows himself alone, and a fourth of his being became the cosmos. 1 quarter of the purusha is immanent, the other 3 portions are transcendent and invisible.That is the absolute reality. He who achieves it, can either dissolve into nirvana, or merge with brahman. Using the mind as a bow, the self as an arrow, aim well at this ultimate meta-goal in life ;D I mean the admin privileges you get once you achieve it.. lol.. haha.. What is wordly power to the ultimate cosmic power? What is the world to the worldocean? aham brahmasmi
Loved hearing this! What a relief. I can often feel terrible that I can’t help seeing so many people as stupid. Well, I also get that I have my share of stupid at times. But shit, so many people excel at stupid it’s hard to take. The world is a mess because of it.
I think this view is an oversimplification in certain areas. personally, I believe that modern education does bridge the gap somewhat, as many neurotypical people do understand why things like pesticides are dangerous and such. What they cannot understand and deal with are the social relations they have with greater society. Most people have a primal compulsion to follow the trends of the wider society, but few have the capacity to isolate and understand this feeling. When the wider society is set on a track, it is hard to shift it because the neurotypicals refuse to change their behaviour because of cognitive dissonance they do not have the ability to deal with. They only change when a cultural shift occurs. Neurodivergent people usually are obsessed with and immensely critical of the self, especially as small children. This makes us value objective truth over societal and cultural homogeneity. While neurotypicals view the truth as an extension of such homogeneity. Couple that with their decreased ability to grasp systems, and the problem occurs. Interestingly, you can see how this used to be remediated within the small communities of ancient times. Personal accountability has the ability to cut through the cognitive dissonace through direct experience. When your relative dies because you fed them bad meat or something, anyone would double down on executing the strategies that they know of to prevent future trageties. When the responsibility is diffused to products you own, or general practices you execute, accountability is also diffused, so improvement is not felt to be urgent. Even if the practises themselves are killing thousands en masse, the responsibility is shrugged off. Neurotypicals often have problems with this cognitive bias, as even if they logically understand it, their overall behaviour does not change. High intelligence or high empathy allows people to be able to cut though this nasty human trait, but I believe that it can be taught to a whole society, just as washing hands was taught. The reason why it isn't I believe, is the issues of what I like to call "paper politics" which is what it sounds like. Environmental education and other challenging information is seen as brainwashing to large groups of people - yada yada yada. Thank you for the video, It is interesting to see your perspective
Is that in every aspect of intelligence, or rather in specific domains (like logical thinking, maths, languages, ...). And does it reflect in IQ scores - for whatever they are worth?
It seems the biggest issue with the neurotypical brain is bandwidth. The whole representative consciousness, or "Gesichtsfeld", is dependent on the bandwidth. So in other words, the scale and complexity of the image.. Its just a hunch, but i think my perception is quite different from a neurotypical person. Its not just the architecture of the brain or intelligence, but also the representation buffer window (to use an allegory) which makes the observer - not just the senses. The neurotypical person suffers from his POV, which his ego creates for him according to his conative and cognitive senses. In other words, they are clearly more immersed than i am. I am on the other hand capable of feeling their bodies in a 30m radius. Like sonar.. Not sure which of my senses accomplishes that though.. I think its my mirror neurons.
Many very interesting topics adressed in a short video :) There is definitely something simian in humans, I wouldn't compare humans to apes though, just like we can't compare dogs to wolves. The issue of "domestication" , that you adress in this video, is quite apt, the humans "domesticated" the simian in themselves ; it's "domesticated" but still there. If you work with NTs, especially in large organizations, you will notice they tend to form "tribes" and within each tribe there is a hierarchy. The Neurodivergent (ND) usually operates outside a tribe, hence he's a foreigner to all tribes. The ND's creative mind is understood as being akin to *magic*, which creates in others the desire to imitate him, it's very simian. The imitation of an ND is used for hierarchical purposes, and is often limited to the superficial : wearing glasses (even if your eyes don't need glasses), speaking cryptically or using buzzwords, hence being "initiated" to these words etc. What strikes me in several religions is that the prophet usually behaves and speaks like a neurodivergent, he has deep a understanding of things and is not interested by money or power. Typically he is opposed by the existent hierarchy who sees him as a threat. Depending on the religion, the prophet uses either magic to defeat the existent hierarchy or, in the case of Jesus Christ, is destroyed by the hierarchy. This is why one may feel like NDs are, "godlike", "the next step in evolution" or something like that, but this would in turn be hierarchical, and be used by Neurotypicals to set up yet another oppressive society. The movie "Gattaca" is very well made in this regard, since all the "perfect" humans are simply neurotypicals (to an extreme !) and the neurodivergent, an *outsider*, manages to dupe them. This is why I believe there is no such thing as a perfect society : no matter how it's organised the neurodivergents will always struggle to survive. That said, machines and inventions have intelligence embedded in them, you can learn by studying them, and thus a more technological world offers opportunities to NDs than stable, rural places.
Yes, interesting viewpoints, I would agree mostly. I'd be interested in your 2D:4D digit ratio, if you feel like sharing it: ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html
@@Abel.Abelson No problem, I made two measurements, though, my hands are a bit "webbed" The dorsal measurement gives a ratio of 0,9509 The palmar measurement gives a ratio of 0,9594
One is a ZZ plant, they're fabulous, hardly ever need water and not even light, tremendously vigourous with big stems and big leaves, like Jurassic park in your home :)
Wouldn't it be reasonable to borrow from the neurotypicals the strategy of gathering into communities to assure our survival? I'm genuinely worried about survival of our subspecies since we've proven to be poorly adapted to survive in the world full on neurotypicals. Especially when alone. I believe the world as a whole, if neurodivergents were to discuss collectively what inventions shall never be invented.
Neurodivergent individuals, while working on their respective interest, seldom consider how neurotypicals would react to their work. Moreover, given the infinite complexity of the world, it is difficult to predict what the consequences would be for any novel invention or discovery. I am reminded of the Mathematician G.H Hardy that made a statement to the effect that number theory has not and probably will not have any military applications. Not soon after saying this, number theory was used to solve enigma codes in WWII. Unless neurodivergent individuals can find someway to keep their work a secret from neurotypicals, neurotypicals will misuse the work of neurodivergents.
Exactly, I completely agree. It's even worse, often we go to great lengths to translate our discoveries into easy recipes for neurotypicals to then wreak havoc with... Terrible mistake. More in depth on this in "How to handle neurotypicals" amzn.to/3paQsmz
this talk just blowed my mind, but I consider that us as neurodivergent are living in a world that we need to trade our work for money, to trade it later for resources. So, if we have to work, and we work with our talents, its only natural to charge for it, and someone is gonna buy it. What else can we do, its what we know. But if there were an organization for neurodivergent suport each other and take decisions together, especially highly gifted people; of course, something that will never happen. Thanks for your channel, its really a gift
To better understand HOW to understand them...it’s important to keep in mind that the mechanism of action for neurotypical capacity reflects a quite popular, oxymoronic sentiment of ‘think dumb’.
Yes , tout pareil !!😊. Je pourrais m' en débrouiller. Néanmoins, on est pas sûr de ne pas " mal interpréter " du coup certaines choses, lorsque ce n' est point notre première langue 😊. Le langage est tellement, tellement important. Très grand merci pour votre demande, n' osais pas la formuler
I've written an account of three novels relating to Neurotypical people and working on the 4th. The way they act and conduct themselves is sickening to the core. I'm interested in getting them published one day and would like to know more on how you got your published. I know publishing is more work then writing the books and would gladly take on board what you say. Hope to hear a reply from you.
I know not all inventions are great. But can you really blame the inventor if something goes horrifically wrong if a person using it didn't read the product manual, for example? Take the woodchipper machine, for example. During internship I had on a foundation that helped wild animals, who were kept as pets by humans, to get back to a better life again, I had to help maintain the terrain there, and that includes taking care of trees as well. I had to use the woodchipper machine enough times to cut the dead branches of trees (who got ripped from trees by heavy storms) into sawdust, which can be used for the animal department of the foundation. Those machines take great responsibility and care. There are safety measures on the machine and manuals on how to handle it and what protective measures you need to take for it. Like wearing noise reducing headphones for the amount of decibels the machine makes, tie up long hair tightly so it can't get caught on the branches, don't wear loose hanging clothing that can get caught on the branches. Wear safety glasses or face shield. Wearing gloves that are loose can get caught and pull you into the machine. Be aware of your surroundings to make sure you don't trip over a branch and could fall into the machine. And the most important one, if a branch gets stuck in the machine, NEVER try to push it deeper with your hands or with a stick. You have to turn it off so you can remove it safely. All those safety measures are there in the manual, yet enough people end up severely injured or even end up losing their lives from using the machine. Why? Some truly are sad accidents. But most injuries happen due to carelessness and ignoring safety protocols. People should read safety protocols, no matter what machine, tools or other things they're using
I wouldn't call neurotypicals as stupid because it has potential to create polarization. I would instead call unconsciousness is stupid and we neurodivergents happen to have more access to consciousness which is capable of neutralizing destructive aspects of being unconscious. For example I have a habit of smoking cigarette, it's pretty stupid, I know exactly which events triggered that habit and working on reducing and eventually stopping. Does that make me stupid, I don't think so, but that behavior is definitely stupid because I do it automatically without being conscious of it.
Hey Abel.. Really enjoying your videos. Can you do a video on ADHD in neurodivergent or problems with focus in general? Thanks and really appreciate everything you are doing.
Hi, thanks :) Mmm, I don't know, I don't really have experience with ADHD and can concentrate rather well myself. It's not that I don't want to, but I don't like to talk about stuff I don't know first hand...
Neurotiypicals appeal to authority, so if it's a stick it will remain a stick. Nd are more likely to address the range of functions a stick can perform. Skip a few thousand years and i an building all sorts of things from materials others would throw away. A printer is only ever a printer to nt, to nd its a source of motors and gears
I thorougly disagree with those conclusions. From my observations they are actually typical. Both intelligent and not so much intelligent people have exactly the same perspective-its prevalent. They blame somebody else intellectual capacity. This suggests that this is the easiest, most basic thought you can reach. You presented examples that are not really doing service to your argument, because they are consequence of complex interactions-society. Society is separate phenomenon from individual and is consequence of all interactions. Humans evolve to work in groups and neurodivergence is thought to be conseuqence of that. You need both specialization and genrlization, you need various types of brains because structure of the brain will determine how you view information once presented. You need different temperaments, predispositions, characters. And thats what is provided. In reality even most intelligente, gifted person is very limited precisely because they need certian structure of the brain that is based on trade-offs. The actual ecological niche of humans is cooperation, group-other humans. By having different types of brains, distribution of them, species can be more efficent. We do not live separately and our brains in order to develop require others. We form togehter network, and this network is far more capable, smarter than even the smartes individual. In reality you need both types of humans to function. Examples you cite are classical misuderstandings coming from individual perspective, not from point of view of network. Just like evolution does not care about you, network does not care about your musings-which are just consequence of modern culture. Intelligence is suppsed to maximize chances of survival here and now and is not suited to judge totality of interactions, because survival of the individual or quality of that survival in the moment is irrelevant when totality of the species in time is considered. Intelligence is not end point,indivudla is not end point, its the base and is not that relevant as consequence. In past highly intelligent people were reaching very common conclusion that socialism or eugenics is the way because that was present in their cultural environment of that time. Before that they were contemplating God or glory and war. It is so because intelligence allows you to see what is dominant, winning side of the argument in network and use this to advance your survival within it. It doesn't make you right or insightful, its just make you opportunistic in our ecological niche-like all animals. Its just make you part of the whole. You perform your function. Once netork-collective brain-will solve current problems it will move to next ones. Or it will be stuck in corner and will die, but your feable attempts at grasping complexity of the world by yourself will reamain futile. The examples of the past, showing how highly intelligent people were wrong, believing in simple solutions to complex problems shows limitations of that individualistic perspective that is designed to fufill your own survival goals, not of totality. We are currently more knowledgable and potent as species not because of neurodivergent geniuses, but becuase of cooperation, distribution, specialization and lenghthy process of trail and error, in which far more formidable minds than yours have failed spectacularly. They also serve as cautionary tale. This is not to say that low IQ is not a problem; it is if your network does not adjust properly to account for that. If a node is incapable of handling signal, the signal will harm it. Im not disputing that. I am disputing how nonchalantly you went form individual level of analysis to complex systems analysis. As result I found your approach here to be highly unhelpful, because you do not discuss individual on individual perspective, but switch from individual to group, not understanding inherent contradiction in this.
Uahoo... thank you for this (and others) video! It make me feel I am not alone in my often "extreme" and almost inexpressible ideas like the one you have been talked about. I think too that knowledge is not supposed to be for anyone. I often feel and picture myself as a minuscule being waking on the ground around these large and tall castles built using fast recipes and while sensing or seeing the weaknesses of those breaks I do not dare to claim on them. They are all over the place including science. I had since ever this urge to understand the world around me, so different that often made me doubt about myself. Eventually, and for a good junk of my life, I tried to fit in mainstream world ... as obvious (now) it has revealed to be a failure but also (reason I do not regret it) a learning experience. It was only earlier this year that I realised that my "being different" had beside "ADHD" an additional label called Asperger that in my view reflects reflects the conflict between a brain that attempts to make sense of the complexity of the world around or may be more in general of something that is perceived as different and not natural. It should not be a surprise that this conflict of view leads to a life of anxiety, stress and invalidation along with the effects of the "score" kept by our physical body. At time I often ear describing the ASD neurodivergent child as obsessed to details and then the "high functioning" adult as a out of the box thinker and good at systematising fact (see for example the good Tony Attwood) ... is it is so difficult to see some association between the focus on details and a deeper system level understanding of whoever is stubborn enough and do not obscure too much his own view? I am in a phase of my life where I often bounce back and forward between sadness about what I see and some sort of acceptance that for me means spending even more time trying to seek and understand more, for pure love of knowledge but also dreaming to find some useful path and answer that can be helpful. P.S. I found out about you only this week and plan to read your book(s) as I suspect they will not be an annoying bla bla ..
That’s how I always felt about credit cards and I’ve had a million conversations about credit cards where they tell me about points and monthly payments and I still didn’t get it until I understood who I was and yes… that’s what it is. Another technology they just can’t handle but in this case it’s used to exploit them.
There's a spectrum of evolution toward integrated civilization. Most animals are very selfish and short-sided. Most humans are selfish and short-sighted - less so than animals. Neurodivergents often feel confused when others seek local rather than global maximums. Neurotypicals are the majority, so they often oppress global maximizers - often because they don't understand, feel threatened, or suffer from dunning-kruger fallacies. Peter Singer said is best: Today's average people are morally evil. They prioritize easing their own pain, often ignoring evils and suffering of those far away, ignoring the externalities of their actions, instead of reasoning about their place and role in social systems. Aiming toward global maxima when isolated and outnumbered leads to pathologization of neurodivegent behavior. It happens to me over and over that people want to manually execute solutions that should be automated. They say I'm going too slow - failing to consider that their way would get the job done faster today, but my way, though slower, would eliminate the need for such work forever more, with high ROI. I feel like an alien who has landed on a planet of apes. They say: I'll pay you to make this road. I say: Why don't you want to fly? They say: You are stupid. Get to work, or you are fired. So i set out to make durable roads (analogy). I research materials and methods, begin building a machine that can make the most durable roads, out of silicon carbide particles, transformed from recycled glass and aluminum (analogy) - then a monkey manager wanders over while I'm halfway through: What are you doing? This is taking too long. You are stupid. To make roads, you bash rocks. Make gravel. [Picks up my machine and bashes it against a nearby rock] See! Make rocks is easy. Use bad rocks so they will pay us again next year. You are stupid. Go faster, or you are fired. [Wanders off] If the monkeys weren't so numerous, creating so much pain for me, for others, for each other - i could find this behavior curious or endearing, part of the circle of life. But as I see the situation today on Earth... I mostly feel sad, lonely, misunderstood, and under-appdeciated. Every day.
Hey Abel, is it possible for very high IQ people, people with IQ over 130 to be neurotypicals. I don't know if you are aware of the Stanford gifted children study. And in it he found that these high IQ people had very good life.
Well no, by definition they wouldn't be neurotypical. But of course they can have a very good life. I have a very good life :) (didn't before, but I got it all sorted out). Being gifted, when you see things as they are, is in no way an obstacle to having a good life, quite the contrary. It's expecting things from people they are simply not capable of, projecting yourself on them, making grave mistakes in your assessment of others, etc, that get you in trouble and depression, but those can be remedied. (Which is why I wrote my book "How to handle neurotypicals", it's really important for non-neurotypicals to learn to "handle" neurotypicals, it's very beneficial to both parties in fact.)
@X Ennial social skills is something that is learned and practiced and yes as someone with aspergers I learned that shit, by studying in a foreign country for 3 years and having my odd behavior seen as "he's just a foreigner, they're all like that" and that helped a lot because it allowed me to remain in social spaces long enough to learn how to navigate them. If I stayed in America at that age. I would still be struggling with this. NT folks don't give you a chance, they go off of first impressions, don't offer understanding, and shut you out of any social opportunities if they sense anything "slightly" different from themselves. Thus, many NDs struggle with social skills. If you're never given the opportunity to gain those skills, you'll never have them. ND people are humans so can learn just like a NT does, but yea social stigmas means NTs are just mean most of the time.
Good question! If they're men and they like football and having beer with their mates, you're 90% sure. If they're women and they love to chitchat about seeming trivialities all day, you're 90% sure too ;) More seriously, they're in most aspects in the middle of the bell curve. Neither stupid nor intelligent, neither really empathetic but not stone cold either, ... There's also the digit ratio that may tell something: if it's at an extreme end, probably not neurotypical. (See ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html for more details). Or you can read my book "How to handle neurotypicals" bit.ly/neurotp and see if they fit the description (and learn how to handle them better in the process) ;)
Most neurotypicals have a look of overconfident confusion on their face. Neurodivergents tend to be able to"acknowledge" each other instantly- even in a mass and/or at a distance. We can take stuff in without an eyedance,yet you can "see" every thought a neurotypical has.
@@Abel.Abelsonman your so great, I was talking with my father about how I may just be a little smarter then some people, and how I just never will be the guy happy to chat about Messi for hours while drinking a beer. He found that so.. I don’t now, he didn’t understand understood what I personally started to realize with 29. Funny that this is also your first sentence of explaining “the difference”.
Interesting video. Im wondering what to do actually because I have aspergers but a few years ago, I have been diagnosed with an iq around 125-130 in the verbal part of the iq test and about 115-120 in the logical part. Due to my aspergers and ADHD my working memory is pretty bad and my working speed aswell which inhibites my full potential, especially in school which originally even lead me to being tested in the first place when I wasnt as cooperative with authorithies as they wished me to be. I would actually say that you and I aren't as different as you might think. Now my question is whether or not to spend more time to study and get perfect grades so I can manage to go to a good university or staying as efficient as I normally am (3-5 hours spent on school a week) and try to advance my personality further and learn languages parallely, do deep thinking paired with philosophy/psychology which is my passion, or something else to improve myself and my happiness and passion to understand and grasp abstract things or learn mathematics/science. My parents want me to study harder although I have mostly good grades, especially if you consider my efficient time management, and I intuitively know that I need to dive deeper into more important stuff. The thing is that I have good friends but sorry for sounding arrogant here: I think the majority of people are just plain dumb and ignorant and toxic and I suspect that if I learn more about the real deep things of life, I may become more and more sad/"annoyed" by people which then leads to losing my good friends and so touch with society completely which I dont find very enjoyable to think about. (Sorry for mistakes im only 16 years old and dont live in a country where you speak english. Edit: I may aswell just feel "brighter" than average because of the dunning kruger effect which sounds plausible to me.)
That's easy to answer. Diplomas are almost worth nothing in a professional career. You should have a minimum to show you're not a complete dimwit who's only good for moving boxes in a warehouse. But a bachelor's degree is more than sufficient for that. Then the only thing you need to do is shine, at the right moments and around the right people (and, together with that, make sure you don't let other people (toxic ones) steal your accomplishments). A management that is a minimum smart and/or efficient is always on the lookout for bright people, independent of diplomas, and they reward you according to your worth in the company, not your diploma. This is even more so if you're self-employed, of course. If you're afraid you'll lose your friends understanding more about them and life, you already know they're not real friends, you just haven't admitted it to yourself. Understanding more will never make you sad, running around with eyepatches on does. So that's also very clear. I am really interested in your 2D:4D digit ratio, could you have a look at my video on that and let me know? It'll be interesting for you too, you'll see: ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html. And check out my books, might be something for you there too ;) : amzn.to/3paQsmz .
@@Abel.Abelson Thanks for your answer. My 2D:4D digit ratio is 0.9-0.91 and as I already said, I've got mild Aspergers so there seems to be a veritable correlation there as you have already stated. Im definitely gonna look into your books. Also, I'm interested in your experiences/opinions on drugs, especially psychedelics like magic mushrooms/lsd/mescaline if you've ever tried them. I suspect that it might be a useful tool to develope oneself further and if used in balance and responsibly it might help you to become more fullfilled/existentially happier and so the benefits could outweigh the negative side effects (short+long term).
@@Leo-rh6rq I tried a lot of "recreational" drugs but not psychedelic ones. I think dosage of the latter is extremely important, but apart from that I have no special knowledge of or experience with them. I think, *used wisely*, this kind of thing might possibly create some experiences that can give some insight, but there may be better ways also. I also know a lot of people who used a lot of drugs and never advanced a millimeter in either insight or wisdom, they just gradually lost their teeth... Frankly, I don't think they're necessary or as useful as some think they are. It's kind of a fake experience, in the sense that when the drug stops working, so does the experience, and one doesn't take away ll that much from it.
@@Abel.Abelson Very true. I think many people expect too much from these substances because it is being exaggerated how greatly this may influence someone's life to the better. I agree on your view that the experience is somewhat fake and only lasts a couple hours which then fade away into nothing and the person instantly reverts back to their old standpoint but I think it really isnt about really changing something you can instantly notice, for me personally, I suppose people use it rather for the experience which you said aswell life was about. What I dont know is how valueable an experience alone is worth if it doesn't really greatly change the way you behave. Also, I had a thought that the substances may only show you what you need to do/change but they keep the responsibility on the people's part which then isnt followed upon. Like in the metaphor if your parents tell you to become vegan to save the climate, you also wouldn't blame the parents if the kids stayed meat-eaters because they (parents) didnt serve their purpose which was influenced by other causes aswell as for example the kids free will/choice. This is mostly pointed towards psychedelics and not "hard drugs" as they say. Hard drugs seem to mostly be a mechanism to cope with reality in a way that distances themselves from reality which is contrasted by psychedelics which seem like a mechanism to understand more of reality in a greater scheme and enhance their relationship with reality in moderate doses. Im very interested in what you may add/correct to this list of thoughts of mine and I'm very thankful that you take time of your day to read all this and put your oar into this.
Wow, this analysis is entirely new to me, but it also makes a lot of sense in my view. The question is how we get out of this situation. That may lead back to the communication problems between neurotypicals and neurodivergents, right? Thank you for enriching my view on humanity 🙏
You understand how something works when you are an expert in a given area. And you are not expert in other areas, so you don't understand them. You definitely don't understand everything by being autistic. And there are a ton of neurotypical people who are experts in something and do innovation. :D
I attended university, to study philosophy. The decan told me I was to critical. Philosophy is all about critical thinking and I couldn't believe the stupidity of everybody there. They were so blind to things I could see so clearly. I asked to many questions out of curiosity, but other classmates where not intressted in theze subjects if it would not be questioned in the exams. It was a very frustrating experience, but it made me realize I am far above intelligent. I somewhat knew because I had a very high IQ score when I was tested by a psychologist. And my father was a an accademic prodigy. But I didn't understand the implications of having having such high IQ. I do know now, and I hate being this smart. They call it gifted, I experience it as a curse. Especially being a woman.
What if its all upside down and society screwed up the majority of peoples neurologic workings of the brain by conditioning, and it turns out neurodivergent people are the typicals and not other way around. Also if you take in consideration of the theory that ADHD gene is from hunter gatherer times. When societies started forming it conditioned the brain to what we call neurotypical now, which in matter of fact is dumbed down as the luxery of society doesnt require people to use all logic and senses for themselfses as societal services do that for them.
People who are "more intelligent" than you (I would prefer to say people with wider perspective) don't look at you and tell themselves "that person is stupid". That thought of "this is dumb" or "this person is stupid" always comes when something doesn't make sense. But when you have the wider perspective, it makes perfect sense to you (why people do things you wouldn't do and so on).
Stupid neurotypicals vs brilliant neurodivergents ? Isn’t is a bit caricatural ? Of course, there are stupid people. But when you’re smart, you are able to capture the complexity of the world, the nuances. Putting people in two boxes neurotypicals/neurodivergents is of course manichean and doesn’t help that much to understrand anything.
Totally agree with you. That kind of binary thinking only provides positive reinforcement by giving meaning, simplifying and identifying 'enemies' ,it allows to regain control and reduce anxiety. In that sense it has very similar patterns with conspiracy theories.
I saw it before writing my comment. « Neurodivergents are the stupidest concerning the fact that they didn’t domesticated or tamed the neurotypicals ». Not exactly your words, but that is the idea of childish-stupid people that damage the world. I can feel too that the world would be less ugly with more intelligence and empathy. Nevertheless, I am a bit uncomfortable with the comptentuous comparisons.
The frontier is not that clear. You have people with a normal intelligence but with empathy, with a moral and an ethic that care about the others, the environment. And you have NDs that have no moral nor ethic and that can damage the world. I make the assumption that you suffered in the past because of people you now call « neurotypicals » and that it helps you now to make such a frontier between the « good ones » (the NDs) and the « bad ones »(the animal-like NTs)
@@PierreLM I'm definitely not into "taming" or "domesticating" neurotypicals, so either I explained badly or you understood wrong :) I referred to neurodivergents being the "stupid" party because they fail to see neurotypicals for what they are, and expect things from them that are not natural for them. It's all about seeing clearly and stopping the "self-projection" (projecting one's own characteristics on others), not at all about "taming" (I find that idea loathsome, actually).
The problem with humanity doing stupid things is due to not understanding human nature or how to ignite the Human Spirit. Those in power feeds society on the human nature towards materialism & status seeking which creates little fulfillment. We must realign ourselves towards the Human Spirit which leads us to evolve in intuition, intelligence & innovation which provides meaning & purpose to us as individuals & as a society. It’s not difficult if those with the most resources understood this & focused their efforts on this instead of centralizing power to manipulate us to conform to their personal ideology or their desire for more power and control.
Putting aside the elitism in the title, I find it kind of funny to compare technology made by neurodivergent people to technology given by aliens, especially since ND people are often called aliens directly. There are many other inhuman qualifiers we tend to receive, and sometimes it can be fun to indulge in them a bit. Yay for being surrounded by alien tech? 🙃
When we talk about neurotypicals, the questions is usually against who? Because neurodivergent group is a wide group having people of different kinds and how each group views neurotypicals vary. Again i think it's unfair bunching all neurotypicals together since there area cool bunch among them who are intellectuall gifted or mind the world as it is. Just saying
First I went down the polydactly rabbit hole and saw countless annoying nephilim comments, now I go down this rabbit whole and for some reason it confronts me yet again -_-
I think a good solution to the conflict between neurotypicals and neuroatypicals is a regular practice of generosity and humility. Generosity means a neuroatypical understands that conformists have lots of limitations. And so he gives them advice according to their limitations. Humility means you don't consider yourself above mingling and sharing with conformists in order to help them out. Instead, you consider it a noble aim to help conformists with tactful advice.
This is an interesting discussion. Personally, I feel that to call the average person stupid would be reductive. And it gives off self-important vibes. Idk I would feel really uncomfortable looking down on everyone like that.
Yes, it's a situation for which there is no perfect answer. Or you think and act as if everyone else is exactly as intelligent as you are, in which case they're outright evil; or you see them as somehow "impaired" in which case they can't help it and are innocent, but you're "arrogant". It's one or the other, in my opinion, and which one you choose, defines your life as a neurodivergent to a very large extent.
@@Abel.Abelson Yeah, I think that's right. Maybe the right answer is to say that yes, I do see things that most others can't, but I still keep in mind that there's a lot of things about a person that are important, such as morality, personality, talent, work ethic, and more. That'll bring me back down to "normal". I think you're right though that specifically related to intelligence, the gap in understanding is just true, even if it can come across arrogant to say. Which is unfortunate and frustrating, so I get it.
The whole environmental thing and ppl not using alternatives is actually just because it simply exists. The corporations keep making it bc they're greedy and don't care + have tons of money behind it. So that's not a neurotypical thing. (I'm neurodivergent btw).
I was thinking this too, his analysis seemed a bit reductive, many neurotypicals are well aware of the damage caused by certain practises and products, yet there is little they can do to fight it. However I must admit he had a point with his follow up statement, many don't like to hear facts that conflict with their comfort, though I've also encountered many people with ASD who can get rather aggressively stubborn when you tell them something that challenges their worldview or prior knowledge, so it's certainly not limited to NTs.
The overwhelming majority of Silicone valley engineers and inventors are neurodivergent who are developing technologies which further stupify neurotypicals.However, I doubt any conspiracy is involved.
Great. I think it’s worth thinking about how neurodivergents are able to act in the world considering their minority status and under what conditions. For example many highly intelligent nd’s may have had in the past little understanding about how the things they invented might be used, so they could hardly be expected to consider nt differences in things like ethical behaviour.
Not much. I feel little commonality with these people, and mostly irritation or contempt. Often both. I would like to live my life free of the gibbering and their bad, stupid, shortsighted decisions.
Neurotypicals are this way individually yes, but there is still a network of distributed cognition going on. Consider the market, who determines the prices? Everyone does, through their actions. Try a command economy and even the autistic will run short. I don't think us neurodivergents are that good at determining the consequences either, too much complexity.
What exactly is the formula, the theory or the entire science that allows you to measure and sum up all the "damage"? It's wonderful how you can take your subjective judgments and then pretend it is a way to decide something is objectively good or bad. Frankly, you have no standard of what is good or bad and the concept of "damage" is also nonsense. Something can be a hinderance to your goal or "damaging" to your agenda and that's it. There is nothing beyond that. If your agenda is some vision of the world, then you are in conflict with all the people with different visions. Simple as that. There is no right or wrong vision as there is no right or wrong desire. There is no objective good in preserving a specie or natural resource, plus there are always some opportunities/possibilities lost in foreclosing that path.
Don't you think your "honest" thoughts about how neurotypical people "really are" are painted because you have probably been discriminated for being neurodivergent? I mean, it's probably exactly that reason why I like this content.
According to society, I’m not neurotypical. But omg have I met other neurodiverse people who blow up their own lives and sadly are not the kind of people who make great discoveries or can resist falling into a group of some kind with a fixed way of thinking. I think the binary typical vs diverse categorization of human experience is a gross oversimplification of things and is just another boogeyman vs good guy set up. Neurodivergence and neurotypical are fairly new and unscientific terms and I have yet to hear a proper explanation of what a neurotypical person actually is. It seems like lemming is the type of person being described here with the label neurotypical thrown on it. What it takes to become a “lemming” is going to even still be highly individualized based on that’s persons life experiences. Neurodivergent and high IQ people can still have incredible blind spots that can be read as “stupid” by others.
Check out MBTI, Sensors are the NT and intuestives are the neurodivergent. Using the cognetive functions from carl jung explains a lot of the dynamics u see today between the people. Check it out. U are very likely an INTJ.
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OMG! This is amazing. Thank you for making this video. And please keep making more content like this.
Thank you! I will 🙂
@@Abel.Abelson ; are they (Nt's) mallicious ?
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One thing that I really hate about them is that they are conformist. They think that they're doing good things, but their actions are often damaging to others.
This has been my number one rant lately - lets just “fit in, even if it creates a detrimental society for everyone..”
Like zombies
Nts watch Night of the Living Dead and relate to the zombies
@@07wrxtr1Did you agree with lockdowns?
Its also pretty cowardly if you think about it.
@@kerrygold6494 I don't agree with them nor do I agree with vaccine mandates.
A lot of people fool themselves into believing they are not animals running mostly on instinct.
Definitely. My book "I, the fly" amzn.to/2Ncnh27 is all about that ;) (among others)
Even the microbes in your body influence your behavior.
i dont know the right words but doofy28 has opinion wich is based on fact? and they probably dont really fool themselves dont even think about it but human nauture has never changed with MEDITATION it might be possible well its mainly business these days not real stuff but get to point aB@@Abel.Abelson MARKETING IS BASED ON THAT AND MAYBE NOT INSTINCT FEELING? WELL INSTICT AND FEELINGS MAYBE MISS SOMETHING So Abel says definitely agrees? then he says its all about that but whaat? feeling curiosu yet?
and tells intresting fact to make intrested gives spark to want know . good marketing i guess if it worked. im mainly intrested how they manipulate humans and program their brain in school if dont do homework punishh!! yes make him slave obeys and other stuff.
I as a neuro typical can tell you from expierence: Nu uh
I leave you with this to expand on your statement. Imagine animal that’s evolved so much it doesn’t even think it’s an animal anymore.
@@UnknownUser-nu8nyYet continues to be an animal
.. wait, far worse than an animal
~Ive noticed it seems most neurotypicals are into groupthink & tend to make decisions based on whatever is the accepted mainstream thought, whereas most neurodivergents tend to be more critical thinkers & independent thinkers~
It seems obvious to me that we should guide our actions, as much as possible, based on real, objective reality, and not our feelings. Being a human, I can't do it all the time, or even much of the time, but I can't imagine not thinking about _reality_ at all.
I find normies to be largely incapable of sustained rational thought. They often act as angry, sullen toddlers.
@Olivia Pure logical reasoning has limits. What makes us human is our feelings. Our feelings are the reason why the material (the objective) aroumd us has 'meaning', its why we have morals. Self awareness must accompany critical thinking.
I will be very honest with you guys. Sincerely, i feel like that all of you are dumb people that hide behind a title - in this case, the "neurodivergent" - and throw shit in the opposite side because you aren't fully capable of comprehending the reality, so you need to create a polarization. Neurodivergent, neurotypical, these are all BETA TERMS.
@kathyingram3061 Out of curiosity, did you take the vaccine, did you agree with lockdowns?
Totally OT: The colours of your sweatshirt perfectly match those of the flowerpot in the background. This is somehow very satisfying...
I love how you noticed that. I to think outside the page the box was drawn on 😁
The plants in the pot match the depth and branches of understanding of his mind as well
There really should be more stigma around people who are so neurotypical that they are only able to think laterally - it's incredibly limiting/destructive.
And how do you define people who are "so neurotypical?" At what level of being normal should you be stigmatized? How is this even workable? Why stigmatize the way people are born? They can't be any different.
I agree with the implication in your first 2 question. But the last question and statement are bullshit. And usually an excuse. Humans are flexible and are able to learn and change.
One wrong doesn’t make another wrong right. We’ve been stigmatized just because we are this way, so why do it to others?
@@TheLastEgg08it would never happen but is a nice hypothetical to think about
@@user-dj7ds4gg7v Yeah, I get the point, it’s just not right to make another person suffer because we’re suffering ourselves, it never leads to good things.
I literally thought I was an alien in human skin lost or Forgotten.
I notice how stupid the average person is and It doesn't make me feel smart.... It just makes me feel ........not stupid 🤦♂️
I have the same, for both things you mention. The second is probably simply a difference in intelligence. Concerning the first, I'm considering "insecure attachment" (as a child with my supposed caregivers who weren't up to giving care, given their own sad histories), and am looking into C-PTSD. I can really recommend the work of Janina Fisher in that respect, in case you would be interested in investigating this route. If not, yes, very recognizable :). Thanks for commenting!
@@Abel.Abelson Thank you!
I just read your book “how to handle neurotypicals”. I am impressed. I feel the same exact way, but I thought I was the only one. I too have been incredibly confused about my intellect. One on hand I scored highly on standardized test and received full fellowships into 2 top five engineering schools, but on the other I am clueless when it comes to people. So I thought I was dumb and I was incredibly confused how neurotypical engineers would throw out words like they understood them. It made me feel like trash because they seem so smart and I can’t understand why someone would brag about something they don’t understand. Now, at 38, I’m realizing how clueless they all are and that it’s all just a social game (about grabbing the banana and monkey’s ass if you will 😂). It seems they don’t think AT ALL. It’s frightening that the world is led by these clueless monsters. Dude we should compare notes. I wrote a ton after being diagnosed.
I feel the same way!
If you think you're dismayed, Rob, just try being a woman on the spectrum! Social "games", rules, conventions and norms are thrust down our throats from an early age. The agony of socialising, looking immaculate whilst remembering to smile even though there's nothing to smile about, the absolute crazy making nature of the dating game, it is my fault I'm told for not reading the situation or knowing how and when to flirt, like you, scoring very highly on IQ tests but so far unable to translate my genius into something practical, putting neurotypical men off for being too bright and literally seeing right through them, as you say they don't use the right words in the right way and mostly don't make much sense in anything much deeper than small talk and now I've been branded the crazy one for not fitting in. I asked God why He made me to live amongst the meddling middlers, as it's like I'm always outnumbered and they don't want to listen to or dismiss my perspective. When I get annoyed, they say I'm childish as I can't always expect to get my own way! Other things that annoy me about them: their musical taste sucks and they don't really listen to it, their dress is so conventional and sombre, they rely completely on experts and have total faith in authority even though some of them are only human and the rest are actual devils, they notice NOTHING, they don't see the birds, insects, flowers, what's happening in the sky, their sixth sense is very limited and the spiritual dimension within them appears to have been drummed out of them. When I'm with them, I feel alone because I cannot share my experiences with them in a meaningful way. My father was also an electronics engineer, extremely intelligent. He had to leave his job early because of not fitting in. He couldn't get on with his bosses either yet he designed 3 new inventions that were later patented. I pray that God will help us survive these difficulties and injustices.
@@cristinaroe2166 it’s a freaking curse being intellectually gifted. The world expects more of you and you are scrutinized for every mistake. Then they think you are crazy for daring to think differently. I hear you. 100%. My grandmother had to put up with bitchy men with an IQ half of hers; I’m hoping society can stop with the toxic masculinity. Like you, I seem to be more aware of the bull crap in the world; at least more then the rest of the herd. And it hurts. A lot. I’ve had many breakdowns and depressions. I’m so sick of it. People always think you are bragging. But they are just projecting their own intellectual insecurities. I DO NOT CARE IF YOU THINK YOU ARE DUMMER. I’ve met tons of people smarter than me. I’d admit, first it’s intimidating; but I find joy in it. How narcissistic would someone have to be to think they are the smartest person ever. I am just a statistic … trying to live.
@@cristinaroe2166I feel you
@@cristinaroe2166 you can't always get your own way ok but when you never get your own way that is called being marginalized NT's are the first to want things their own way and then complain when all you want is to be reasonable.
I'm watching this video because I've gotten to a point where I honestly can't see much of the way NT's function as anything other than stupid. There have been way too many times in my life I've encountered problems simply because NT's don't function on logic, and are so closed minded to any experience that differs from theirs, that it has been impossible to work with them reliably.
Thats not to say that I don't get along with them typically, however, when an issue does come up, it may as well be impossible because of how unlikely an NT is to be willing to look at facts of a situation and compare notes rather than jumping on their ego and or emotions and having to be right, and having to see anything different than what they want to see as being wrong. Even if the topic is whether 2+2 is 4. Their ego and emotions will not let them see what is in front of their face.
They care more about what others think than they do about results. They care more about whose idea something was than they do about how functional the idea is. They are quick to assumptions, and treat assumptions as fact no matter how easy it may be to disprove, then get upset when they are disproven viewing it as disrespect, never mind that functioning on real information makes the task far more manageable, its way more important to them that they are seen as right.
I've reached a point where I no longer believe in my ability to hold down a normal job at a normal company due to how likely it is that there is someone in a management position who is incapable of logic and reason.
Given how often I've heard "don't reinvent the wheel" and "if it aint broke don't fix it", I honestly don't think people would have ever learned to make fire if it wasn't for NDs. NT's are too content with "thats how it is, doesn't matter that there is no good reason for it, doesn't matter that its making life exponentially harder than necessary, my ego is more important"
My issue with NT's isn't that they do stupid things, its their refusal to learn from them. For example, an NT with ask the SAME EXACT question a dozen times and never change the question always expecting that the next time you answer it the response will be different.
The issue with NT's is their unwillingness to acknowledge when they are being stupid. When the are not functioning on logic and reason they are completely unwilling to acknowledge it, and refuse to function from logic and reason if their ego's or emotions are engaged at a level of 3 or more out of 10.
Were you reading my mind?
The key to understanding NTs is understanding the cluster b personalities.
It's true that most characteristics of cluster B personalities are on a continuum, with neurotypicals not scoring extremely high (so often they don't pass the threshold), but neither scoring extremely low either. This follows from the definition of neurotypical, so analytically this is no surprise, but in real life it means that they're all quite narcissistic, manipulative, etc.
Yes. Narcissistic hegemony rules and Commodus is King. The Neurotypical king who is in fact a Narcissistic Psychopath. Technology is no good for NTs themselves. We have Versklavung Durch Technik now. Easter Island is a great example of Neurotypical stupidity
lol that’s true. 😂😂
@@Abel.Abelson So my lifetime suspicions have been confirmed! I’ve spent my whole life being shocked and dismayed at what I consider to be people’s extreme self-absorption and narcissism, but I’ve always been made to feel that my perceptions of people are wrong. I’ve always been told “You expect too much from people”, as if it’s my problem. I’m not expecting too much. I’m expecting people to be sincere and mean what they say, and to just display some GENUINE empathy for others once in a while.
I used to view Cluster B's as predators, Neurotypicals as prey.
Now I think they're symbiotic, a colony organism if you will.
Thank u for that title!
It's like a big stress relief knowing I'm not a crazy person and that ppl can see the average NT is a pure unapologetic Moron!
You really think that you're superior to anyone who doesn't have a brain disorder? Seriously? You're willing to call me a moron because I'm different???
@@alexanderthemidI No ...
The average person being an idiot doesn't make me any smarter 🤷♂️👍💯
@@liveelbaraka3371 how is that at all what i asked
@@alexanderthemidI It's the answer...🐧
@@alexanderthemidI shut up and get better instead of staying stuoid
A fitting quote:
“I've always believed that a person is smart. It's people that are stupid.”
― Marilyn Manson, The Long Hard Road Out of Hell
No, most individual people are complete idiots. Absolutely contemptible.
Correct. @@glentor3
Thank you for this material. It is very good. I loved it. Please continue sharing your thoughts.
I am a person who has polymathic ability. I find it fun to join knowledge from different fields like history and psychology to understand today's world.
I have also noticed that neurotypical people often place an inferior value on intellect and knowledge. Sometimes, they will reject a really smart suggestion from you because a close friend offered another suggestion.
Your idea will be turned down because you are different or not friendly enough. It doesn't have anything to do with your idea being illogical. Another person's idea will be accepted due to friendship and loyalty even if it is horrible idea.
Yeah those were difficult realizations for me, but neurotypical people seem to decide what is true or not true via association. I have seen this what you describe many times. To them it seems everything must be tinged in a social spectacle filter. That makes it more difficult for them, to look at the thing in of itself. *This is how politics work from my point of view - some popular person in a suit talks gibberish (law language is illogical) and then sells out the country - taddaaaah!Then people clap, and have various opinions on the performance of that said polit prostitute, as if they were dogs in a dograce, or something they could bet on. In one expression - the belly rules over their brain* Makes you wonder how they came up with these barely structured state architectures - such high vertical hierarchies, full of incompetence and malevolence. And bellyfeels.
You know, in regard to emotions, association, friendship and loyalty are connected - its healthy to share emotions over these. That people share feelings like that is normal, that we share ideas is normal - but in regard to ADOPTING ones worldview, deciding on facts and knowledge, it should not be done out of sentimentalities.. In the same way it is unhealthy to adopt anothers dumb ideas on the basis of mere association alone. Its silly, but i think they do this because they dont want anyone to find out that they cant think for themselves. The process of adopting truths, knowledge and information in general should not be treated like contagious emotions - but via testing and comparing, processing and postulating new viewpoints - but they dont think that far my friend. Sometimes even smart people do this though - the smarter end of neurotypicals are almost equally susceptible to this, than their less eloquent specimen.
We are not in a world where good and bad ideas are tested - genetic algorithms are stupid and blind. Genetic pressure will force people to adopt idiocy if it helps them get laid or get free stuff or whatever. Which is natural. Genetic algorithms can force populations to become dumber, as the organism adapts to a environment that would favour bad behaviour, then such organisms would be selected. If mankind made all this progress just to shut off the brain completely and reduce himself to ooze, then it would be truly a tragedy to behold. The brain burns the most calories in the body amongst all organs - if we dont need it, it will devolve. Its so expensive a machine.. So delicate.
Normies are too aggressive a species, for us to make it to a level 1 civilization. We can start by Stopping to pander to the silly needs of them, and stop building surveillance tech, weapons and other gimicks for them, which they inevitably will use against us.
I know. I feel the same.
I feel the same o-o
A way around that is to cater the conversation to where you lead them (or lead them with you) to a beautiful conclusion as if it were a spontaneous mutual discovery. I often speak with people according to their understanding and try to only build upon where they’re willing to lay a brick. When communicating we’re dealing with so much more than logic, because we have to pass through so many other thresholds such as fear and pride. I notice that my mind opens up so much more with someone who has the capacity to receive, and not just in ability to think.
@@thenaturalpeoplesbureau while i disagree with your supremacist wording i do agree with what you mean if i ignore those terms
Love this. Wonderfully explained. Very much exposes the fallacy of stupidity within neuro divergent individuals for making smart things, but giving it to people who use them stupidly. lol
This makes total sense. I do think alike most general people wouldn’t investigate further but rather follow instinctual fast problem, fast solutions. Investigate when failure occurs hmmm 🧐
Nice video. 5:00 I share your theory, that divergent brains tend to invent, and normative brains tend to just .. exist, somehow.. But don't get it confused. There are very many (VERY MANY) people who are not neurotypical, working in low, "stupid" jobs. Just because we are smart, does not mean we get to advance to professional jobs. For some of us, including myself, obtaining the license/permit to do menial labor jobs (driver's license, gen contractor license, degree from college) is very difficult, and as a result, we live richly while performing the dull, hard work of every day jobs. And you know, there's opportunities for innovation in every job in the world. So, please do not refer to mechanics and mailpersons when you REALLY mean Neurotypical people. You have many people listening to you, and I hope you use this opportunity responsibly. When you speak, please only speak for yourself.
Here are just a few examples from my life, and my friends: book retail, grocery, high end restaurant, low end restaurant, cafeteria, landscaping, farming, education, administrative work, machine engineering, coding, sex work, meat cutting/packing, hauling, and my personal favorite, petty crime. (that's a joke. i don't actually enjoy committing crimes)
Yes, I definitely felt the same way when Abel insisted "it wasn't Uncle Tom the mechanic, it wasn't the baker, it wasn't the mailman".
I met extremely bright people, who are clearly underachievers/have imposter syndrome or simply wanted to have a peace at last! Lead a peaceful life, without pressure (I'm not saying their job is easy but they don't want to follow another's expectations.) They want to do what they want to do. Or they simply like that, they like do to that (have a bakery, the touch and smell of flour, of bread etc., the feeling of doing something nice and useful for people, especially if they had a previous job, in which they had to do things which caused them pricks of conscience).
And the best of it is that for many jobs, many of them can also set hours, not working long hours and once they get home or in their free time, now their real or second life starts. They dedicate it to their passion, whatever it is.
So there are many reasons why a neurodivergent person can actually have a plain job.
What we mean here is: we can't equate plain job with neurotypical.
No, you can find HIQ people there.
Yeah, it's a stupid stereotype that the gifted occupy some lofty positions in the professional world. In my experience it is actually the opposite.
Sorry for the confusing jargon, but yeah basically NT (iNtuitive-thinker) types inventing the new ideas, SJ (sensing-concrete) people mocking them for being weird, the same song and dance of humanity, and how an iNtuitive thinker must avoid the noob trap of resentment/bitterness, and learn to navigate your way in the socio-economic-emotional landscape that seems so silly yet can be exploited if you learn it well, and hopefully build yourself a community of other likeminded people and make something great, instead of sitting at home being an armchair philosopher. Or at least this is my interpretation.
What about iNtuitive Feelers?
@@condomeca Idk most seem to just want to chill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thats the thing.
Logic is just a tool. I am either an INFJ or an ENTP according to Myers Briggs, and it depends on my mood.
People generally dont understand me.
I'm pretty sure I'm a neurotypical individual but I have never understood how other neurotypicals operate. Specially mentioned in the video is how often people will avoid a solution just because they don't want too. No reason other than it doesn't meet their specific criteria for a solution. And, the amount of times they get the solution they desire only for it to blow up in their face when it turns out to be a poor solution.
Congratulations. You logically described how I'm feeling.
I probably would have been classified as neurotypical by you, if you were to observe my life.
Emotion vs logic
I either write a book or a short commentary. Here: I am amazed at how similar our thinking is. Similar stories (MENSA [164] and others), but I am much older. Only I seem to have less hope than you. Maybe in my youth in my country being myself was too much for everyone to handle. Just envy and/or dismissal. I am actually happy to be still alive!
Now it is easier to be treated decently or even to be recognized as a valuable being despite our diversity. Good luck and thanks for the videos.
See you on the mother ship :)
i dont know about stupid but some of them are ignorant and have no empathy for other peoples conditions or the enviroment around them, im autistic im often missunderstood ive experienced alot of ignorance and mate crimes simply because im different to them.
They act like NPC's lol
Charisma. I really, really do not get why neurotypicals judge the value of an idea based on how charismatic someone is, when charisma has nothing whatsoever to do with issues in the real world. In everyday life, it can mean that less charismatic people get drowned out, don't feel listened to, and get bullied. In the most extreme case of all, Hitler convinced enough German people that killing all the Jews, and anyone who was not part of the fictitious "Aryan race", was somehow a good idea. How much suffering has happened, because of a failure to understand what should be the most self-evidently obvious thing in the world?
It is indeed annoying but it does make sense. Their "mind horizon" is quite close by so they rely on others, who seem to them to know things better (usually just because they're full of themselves), to guide them. Check out my book on neurotypicals (link in description) for more sense beneath what appears nonsense. You actually have to get how they're wired, in a quite literal sense, and then the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Thanks for commenting!
I _loved_ the chimp metaphor. And the following debate you had with yourself. We must put limitations on the technologies we invent.
What about William Shockley, Ed Kemper, Fritz Haber, Rick Rosner, Thomas Midgley Jr., Jimmy Saville, all the scientists involved in the invention of the nuclear bomb, and so on...?
Yeah I guess in a way we are actually the dumb ones because everyone else gets along but we are the ones that are actually different. Ignorance is bliss
We are the other because we diverge from the majority, according to the majority. But the majority is further away from a natural state than you and me are. Ignorance is the cause of all pain. Neurotypicals are basically walking entropy-generators. They just dont give a damn that they cause pain, they are either too numb, to egotistical, or they lack the bandwidth to consider what they actually do. I see it when i see them walk in the train station. They dont sense around the corners. To them everything ends at the next corner - as for all 3D beings. I cant see around corners, i can SENSE around corners. In a room with you i can sense your heart beating. I can feel the lady who is jogging, her clothes on her skin. Everything. My mirror neurons basically provides me a nearly complete somatic sensory input from anyone within 30m radius.. hahaha.. 95% of neurotypicals will have great difficulty achieving the meta-goal - enlightenment.
Knowledge, jnana, that is bliss! That self which has selfknowledge is blissfull. There are only 2 people in this world who are happy: Fools and sages. Ignorance, avidya, or entropy, is the cause of all limitations, mental, psychic and bodily. Ignorance is the selfcreated demon who haunts mankind and all beings. The neurotypicals are split in two - body and mind. I am neither body nor mind - i am the world and the self in one person. The worldself! I expand myself in everything i see and enter it, and see myself back. He who knows that brahman - that immutable observer - he alone finds happyness. Wether im drowning, fleeing, working, sleeping eating - in these regards nothing changed. The dreamstate will be key to the best possible future for mankind, as far as i am concerned. All the (biased personal) evidence of my life points towards the fact that the dreamworld is the same thing as the waking world, in a different state. A state superior to the waking state in its effects on the relatively unmovable rails of ordinary waking life. The waking person, or cosmos, is the first state, where life moves in solid streets - the dreamer has only inner senses, and sees the inner world - our mental representation of the world, or astral zone. In sleep consciousness withdraws from the senses altogether, just like a tortoise retracts its limbs. The fourth state of consciousness, self awareness, is verily what makes us human. I am convinced animals also have it to a degree - but even in humans we can see how HUGE the mental differences are. So what to speak of animals. Their conscius buffer window has certainly less resolution. More resolution = more joy.
The only thing that changes is that now im constantly present in all states - wether dream, sleep or wake. Which makes my actions less obstructable than before. I was also split into 2 like neurotypicals, but now there is no more ME. In a sense there is more than before - an ego identified with immanence, not the phenomenon. But when the self and the world merge back into one, that is the most stable state you can be in. First i thought the world was outside of me, then i thought it was inside me, and then i realized i was that which generated the world. Expanding my mind into the cosmos, the cosmos entered my body. Now my senses are not distractions anymore. This constant feeling of expanding in all directions.. I, the puppet body, am not that real allexpanding power. The truth is that the cosmos is as "human", as we are. And why? Because outside of ourselves, there is no cosmos. The senses of boltzman brains are argus eyes.
Thus is the nature of the one force - brahman. *Vasudevah sarvam iti* - everything is vasudeva! Every unit contains everything - there is no duality. There is no second one. One without a second, tad ekatma rupam! And that one, that lucky one, is the most happy person (bhagavan). No one knows him - he knows himself alone, and a fourth of his being became the cosmos. 1 quarter of the purusha is immanent, the other 3 portions are transcendent and invisible.That is the absolute reality. He who achieves it, can either dissolve into nirvana, or merge with brahman. Using the mind as a bow, the self as an arrow, aim well at this ultimate meta-goal in life ;D I mean the admin privileges you get once you achieve it.. lol.. haha.. What is wordly power to the ultimate cosmic power? What is the world to the worldocean?
aham brahmasmi
@@thenaturalpeoplesbureau i think you're a bit cray cray
Loved hearing this! What a relief. I can often feel terrible that I can’t help seeing so many people as stupid. Well, I also get that I have my share of stupid at times. But shit, so many people excel at stupid it’s hard to take. The world is a mess because of it.
Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?
we have a duty to invent things that will be put to positive use even with a compleate lack of understanding
I think this view is an oversimplification in certain areas. personally, I believe that modern education does bridge the gap somewhat, as many neurotypical people do understand why things like pesticides are dangerous and such. What they cannot understand and deal with are the social relations they have with greater society. Most people have a primal compulsion to follow the trends of the wider society, but few have the capacity to isolate and understand this feeling. When the wider society is set on a track, it is hard to shift it because the neurotypicals refuse to change their behaviour because of cognitive dissonance they do not have the ability to deal with. They only change when a cultural shift occurs. Neurodivergent people usually are obsessed with and immensely critical of the self, especially as small children. This makes us value objective truth over societal and cultural homogeneity. While neurotypicals view the truth as an extension of such homogeneity. Couple that with their decreased ability to grasp systems, and the problem occurs. Interestingly, you can see how this used to be remediated within the small communities of ancient times. Personal accountability has the ability to cut through the cognitive dissonace through direct experience. When your relative dies because you fed them bad meat or something, anyone would double down on executing the strategies that they know of to prevent future trageties. When the responsibility is diffused to products you own, or general practices you execute, accountability is also diffused, so improvement is not felt to be urgent. Even if the practises themselves are killing thousands en masse, the responsibility is shrugged off. Neurotypicals often have problems with this cognitive bias, as even if they logically understand it, their overall behaviour does not change. High intelligence or high empathy allows people to be able to cut though this nasty human trait, but I believe that it can be taught to a whole society, just as washing hands was taught. The reason why it isn't I believe, is the issues of what I like to call "paper politics" which is what it sounds like. Environmental education and other challenging information is seen as brainwashing to large groups of people - yada yada yada.
Thank you for the video, It is interesting to see your perspective
Such a delicious comment 🥞
this 100%
I’m autistic and I’m smarter than normal people
Is that in every aspect of intelligence, or rather in specific domains (like logical thinking, maths, languages, ...). And does it reflect in IQ scores - for whatever they are worth?
It seems the biggest issue with the neurotypical brain is bandwidth. The whole representative consciousness, or "Gesichtsfeld", is dependent on the bandwidth. So in other words, the scale and complexity of the image.. Its just a hunch, but i think my perception is quite different from a neurotypical person. Its not just the architecture of the brain or intelligence, but also the representation buffer window (to use an allegory) which makes the observer - not just the senses. The neurotypical person suffers from his POV, which his ego creates for him according to his conative and cognitive senses. In other words, they are clearly more immersed than i am. I am on the other hand capable of feeling their bodies in a 30m radius. Like sonar.. Not sure which of my senses accomplishes that though.. I think its my mirror neurons.
Exactly my thoughts.
I would love for you to expand on this content! An excellent way to explain this issue.
Your videos are totally blowing my mind. Thank you for sharing these thoughts, it is helping me to understand this world better.
Many very interesting topics adressed in a short video :)
There is definitely something simian in humans, I wouldn't compare humans to apes though, just like we can't compare dogs to wolves. The issue of "domestication" , that you adress in this video, is quite apt, the humans "domesticated" the simian in themselves ; it's "domesticated" but still there.
If you work with NTs, especially in large organizations, you will notice they tend to form "tribes" and within each tribe there is a hierarchy. The Neurodivergent (ND) usually operates outside a tribe, hence he's a foreigner to all tribes. The ND's creative mind is understood as being akin to *magic*, which creates in others the desire to imitate him, it's very simian.
The imitation of an ND is used for hierarchical purposes, and is often limited to the superficial : wearing glasses (even if your eyes don't need glasses), speaking cryptically or using buzzwords, hence being "initiated" to these words etc.
What strikes me in several religions is that the prophet usually behaves and speaks like a neurodivergent, he has deep a understanding of things and is not interested by money or power. Typically he is opposed by the existent hierarchy who sees him as a threat. Depending on the religion, the prophet uses either magic to defeat the existent hierarchy or, in the case of Jesus Christ, is destroyed by the hierarchy.
This is why one may feel like NDs are, "godlike", "the next step in evolution" or something like that, but this would in turn be hierarchical, and be used by Neurotypicals to set up yet another oppressive society. The movie "Gattaca" is very well made in this regard, since all the "perfect" humans are simply neurotypicals (to an extreme !) and the neurodivergent, an *outsider*, manages to dupe them.
This is why I believe there is no such thing as a perfect society : no matter how it's organised the neurodivergents will always struggle to survive. That said, machines and inventions have intelligence embedded in them, you can learn by studying them, and thus a more technological world offers opportunities to NDs than stable, rural places.
Yes, interesting viewpoints, I would agree mostly.
I'd be interested in your 2D:4D digit ratio, if you feel like sharing it: ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html
@@Abel.Abelson No problem, I made two measurements, though, my hands are a bit "webbed"
The dorsal measurement gives a ratio of 0,9509
The palmar measurement gives a ratio of 0,9594
@@Solsys2007 That's a quite normal 2D:4D for a guy actually... Maybe slightly on the feminine side, but not much...
@@Abel.Abelson Well I'm doing what I can with what I've got ^^
OMG, thank you for this comment ! It is an evolutionary issue to be "gifted".
Lol.. thank you for speaking for us!!!🙏
Nice plants in the background!
One is a ZZ plant, they're fabulous, hardly ever need water and not even light, tremendously vigourous with big stems and big leaves, like Jurassic park in your home :)
@@Abel.Abelson Thank you for the info, I might grow one now lol. I love have green in my surroundings, very healthy for mind and body.
Wouldn't it be reasonable to borrow from the neurotypicals the strategy of gathering into communities to assure our survival?
I'm genuinely worried about survival of our subspecies since we've proven to be poorly adapted to survive in the world full on neurotypicals. Especially when alone.
I believe the world as a whole, if neurodivergents were to discuss collectively what inventions shall never be invented.
Yes! I’m in!!
Neurodivergent individuals, while working on their respective interest, seldom consider how neurotypicals would react to their work. Moreover, given the infinite complexity of the world, it is difficult to predict what the consequences would be for any novel invention or discovery. I am reminded of the Mathematician G.H Hardy that made a statement to the effect that number theory has not and probably will not have any military applications. Not soon after saying this, number theory was used to solve enigma codes in WWII. Unless neurodivergent individuals can find someway to keep their work a secret from neurotypicals, neurotypicals will misuse the work of neurodivergents.
Exactly, I completely agree. It's even worse, often we go to great lengths to translate our discoveries into easy recipes for neurotypicals to then wreak havoc with... Terrible mistake. More in depth on this in "How to handle neurotypicals" amzn.to/3paQsmz
this talk just blowed my mind, but I consider that us as neurodivergent are living in a world that we need to trade our work for money, to trade it later for resources. So, if we have to work, and we work with our talents, its only natural to charge for it, and someone is gonna buy it. What else can we do, its what we know. But if there were an organization for neurodivergent suport each other and take decisions together, especially highly gifted people; of course, something that will never happen.
Thanks for your channel, its really a gift
To better understand HOW to understand them...it’s important to keep in mind that the mechanism of action for neurotypical capacity reflects a quite popular, oxymoronic sentiment of ‘think dumb’.
Not considering consequences of actions seems to be a very common neurotypical trait.
In my humble opinion, neurotypical is a euphemism for stupid.
I hope your book will get translated to other languages soon🥺
Yes , tout pareil !!😊. Je pourrais m' en débrouiller.
Néanmoins, on est pas sûr de ne pas " mal interpréter " du coup certaines choses, lorsque ce n' est point notre première langue 😊.
Le langage est tellement, tellement important.
Très grand merci pour votre demande, n' osais pas la formuler
First! Now its real archivement. Please keep up with your videos!
Congrats ;) And thank you! :)
I've written an account of three novels relating to Neurotypical people and working on the 4th. The way they act and conduct themselves is sickening to the core. I'm interested in getting them published one day and would like to know more on how you got your published. I know publishing is more work then writing the books and would gladly take on board what you say. Hope to hear a reply from you.
I know not all inventions are great. But can you really blame the inventor if something goes horrifically wrong if a person using it didn't read the product manual, for example? Take the woodchipper machine, for example. During internship I had on a foundation that helped wild animals, who were kept as pets by humans, to get back to a better life again, I had to help maintain the terrain there, and that includes taking care of trees as well.
I had to use the woodchipper machine enough times to cut the dead branches of trees (who got ripped from trees by heavy storms) into sawdust, which can be used for the animal department of the foundation. Those machines take great responsibility and care. There are safety measures on the machine and manuals on how to handle it and what protective measures you need to take for it. Like wearing noise reducing headphones for the amount of decibels the machine makes, tie up long hair tightly so it can't get caught on the branches, don't wear loose hanging clothing that can get caught on the branches. Wear safety glasses or face shield. Wearing gloves that are loose can get caught and pull you into the machine. Be aware of your surroundings to make sure you don't trip over a branch and could fall into the machine. And the most important one, if a branch gets stuck in the machine, NEVER try to push it deeper with your hands or with a stick. You have to turn it off so you can remove it safely.
All those safety measures are there in the manual, yet enough people end up severely injured or even end up losing their lives from using the machine. Why? Some truly are sad accidents. But most injuries happen due to carelessness and ignoring safety protocols. People should read safety protocols, no matter what machine, tools or other things they're using
I wouldn't call neurotypicals as stupid because it has potential to create polarization. I would instead call unconsciousness is stupid and we neurodivergents happen to have more access to consciousness which is capable of neutralizing destructive aspects of being unconscious. For example I have a habit of smoking cigarette, it's pretty stupid, I know exactly which events triggered that habit and working on reducing and eventually stopping. Does that make me stupid, I don't think so, but that behavior is definitely stupid because I do it automatically without being conscious of it.
Neuro typical s should have their innate intellectual deficits highlighted for them so they understand their true place in the order of things.
Hey Abel..
Really enjoying your videos. Can you do a video on ADHD in neurodivergent or problems with focus in general? Thanks and really appreciate everything you are doing.
Hi, thanks :) Mmm, I don't know, I don't really have experience with ADHD and can concentrate rather well myself. It's not that I don't want to, but I don't like to talk about stuff I don't know first hand...
ADHD ≠ Autism.
@@Heliotropewonderthey're both neurodivergence though, aswell as any other permanant non-typical psychology
But quite often going together...
Neurotiypicals appeal to authority, so if it's a stick it will remain a stick. Nd are more likely to address the range of functions a stick can perform. Skip a few thousand years and i an building all sorts of things from materials others would throw away. A printer is only ever a printer to nt, to nd its a source of motors and gears
You're not the only one. I'm with you on the glue
Thanks!
I thorougly disagree with those conclusions. From my observations they are actually typical. Both intelligent and not so much intelligent people have exactly the same perspective-its prevalent. They blame somebody else intellectual capacity. This suggests that this is the easiest, most basic thought you can reach. You presented examples that are not really doing service to your argument, because they are consequence of complex interactions-society. Society is separate phenomenon from individual and is consequence of all interactions. Humans evolve to work in groups and neurodivergence is thought to be conseuqence of that. You need both specialization and genrlization, you need various types of brains because structure of the brain will determine how you view information once presented. You need different temperaments, predispositions, characters. And thats what is provided. In reality even most intelligente, gifted person is very limited precisely because they need certian structure of the brain that is based on trade-offs. The actual ecological niche of humans is cooperation, group-other humans. By having different types of brains, distribution of them, species can be more efficent. We do not live separately and our brains in order to develop require others. We form togehter network, and this network is far more capable, smarter than even the smartes individual. In reality you need both types of humans to function. Examples you cite are classical misuderstandings coming from individual perspective, not from point of view of network. Just like evolution does not care about you, network does not care about your musings-which are just consequence of modern culture. Intelligence is suppsed to maximize chances of survival here and now and is not suited to judge totality of interactions, because survival of the individual or quality of that survival in the moment is irrelevant when totality of the species in time is considered. Intelligence is not end point,indivudla is not end point, its the base and is not that relevant as consequence. In past highly intelligent people were reaching very common conclusion that socialism or eugenics is the way because that was present in their cultural environment of that time. Before that they were contemplating God or glory and war. It is so because intelligence allows you to see what is dominant, winning side of the argument in network and use this to advance your survival within it. It doesn't make you right or insightful, its just make you opportunistic in our ecological niche-like all animals. Its just make you part of the whole. You perform your function. Once netork-collective brain-will solve current problems it will move to next ones. Or it will be stuck in corner and will die, but your feable attempts at grasping complexity of the world by yourself will reamain futile. The examples of the past, showing how highly intelligent people were wrong, believing in simple solutions to complex problems shows limitations of that individualistic perspective that is designed to fufill your own survival goals, not of totality. We are currently more knowledgable and potent as species not because of neurodivergent geniuses, but becuase of cooperation, distribution, specialization and lenghthy process of trail and error, in which far more formidable minds than yours have failed spectacularly. They also serve as cautionary tale. This is not to say that low IQ is not a problem; it is if your network does not adjust properly to account for that. If a node is incapable of handling signal, the signal will harm it. Im not disputing that. I am disputing how nonchalantly you went form individual level of analysis to complex systems analysis. As result I found your approach here to be highly unhelpful, because you do not discuss individual on individual perspective, but switch from individual to group, not understanding inherent contradiction in this.
‘Neuro divergent’ should be relabeled ‘neuro superior’.
Uahoo... thank you for this (and others) video! It make me feel I am not alone in my often "extreme" and almost inexpressible ideas like the one you have been talked about. I think too that knowledge is not supposed to be for anyone. I often feel and picture myself as a minuscule being waking on the ground around these large and tall castles built using fast recipes and while sensing or seeing the weaknesses of those breaks I do not dare to claim on them. They are all over the place including science. I had since ever this urge to understand the world around me, so different that often made me doubt about myself. Eventually, and for a good junk of my life, I tried to fit in mainstream world ... as obvious (now) it has revealed to be a failure but also (reason I do not regret it) a learning experience. It was only earlier this year that I realised that my "being different" had beside "ADHD" an additional label called Asperger that in my view reflects reflects the conflict between a brain that attempts to make sense of the complexity of the world around or may be more in general of something that is perceived as different and not natural. It should not be a surprise that this conflict of view leads to a life of anxiety, stress and invalidation along with the effects of the "score" kept by our physical body. At time I often ear describing the ASD neurodivergent child as obsessed to details and then the "high functioning" adult as a out of the box thinker and good at systematising fact (see for example the good Tony Attwood) ... is it is so difficult to see some association between the focus on details and a deeper system level understanding of whoever is stubborn enough and do not obscure too much his own view? I am in a phase of my life where I often bounce back and forward between sadness about what I see and some sort of acceptance that for me means spending even more time trying to seek and understand more, for pure love of knowledge but also dreaming to find some useful path and answer that can be helpful.
P.S. I found out about you only this week and plan to read your book(s) as I suspect they will not be an annoying bla bla ..
That’s how I always felt about credit cards and I’ve had a million conversations about credit cards where they tell me about points and monthly payments and I still didn’t get it until I understood who I was and yes… that’s what it is. Another technology they just can’t handle but in this case it’s used to exploit them.
So right! I thought we were supposed to be the mental ones!
Lol ur vids make me howl w/laughter at times!! Very forwards thinking as well
I suspect we'd have a very interesting conversation bub.
There's a spectrum of evolution toward integrated civilization. Most animals are very selfish and short-sided. Most humans are selfish and short-sighted - less so than animals.
Neurodivergents often feel confused when others seek local rather than global maximums. Neurotypicals are the majority, so they often oppress global maximizers - often because they don't understand, feel threatened, or suffer from dunning-kruger fallacies.
Peter Singer said is best: Today's average people are morally evil. They prioritize easing their own pain, often ignoring evils and suffering of those far away, ignoring the externalities of their actions, instead of reasoning about their place and role in social systems.
Aiming toward global maxima when isolated and outnumbered leads to pathologization of neurodivegent behavior.
It happens to me over and over that people want to manually execute solutions that should be automated. They say I'm going too slow - failing to consider that their way would get the job done faster today, but my way, though slower, would eliminate the need for such work forever more, with high ROI.
I feel like an alien who has landed on a planet of apes. They say: I'll pay you to make this road. I say: Why don't you want to fly? They say: You are stupid. Get to work, or you are fired.
So i set out to make durable roads (analogy). I research materials and methods, begin building a machine that can make the most durable roads, out of silicon carbide particles, transformed from recycled glass and aluminum (analogy) - then a monkey manager wanders over while I'm halfway through: What are you doing? This is taking too long. You are stupid. To make roads, you bash rocks. Make gravel. [Picks up my machine and bashes it against a nearby rock] See! Make rocks is easy. Use bad rocks so they will pay us again next year. You are stupid. Go faster, or you are fired. [Wanders off]
If the monkeys weren't so numerous, creating so much pain for me, for others, for each other - i could find this behavior curious or endearing, part of the circle of life. But as I see the situation today on Earth... I mostly feel sad, lonely, misunderstood, and under-appdeciated. Every day.
Hey Abel, is it possible for very high IQ people, people with IQ over 130 to be neurotypicals. I don't know if you are aware of the Stanford gifted children study. And in it he found that these high IQ people had very good life.
Well no, by definition they wouldn't be neurotypical. But of course they can have a very good life. I have a very good life :) (didn't before, but I got it all sorted out). Being gifted, when you see things as they are, is in no way an obstacle to having a good life, quite the contrary. It's expecting things from people they are simply not capable of, projecting yourself on them, making grave mistakes in your assessment of others, etc, that get you in trouble and depression, but those can be remedied. (Which is why I wrote my book "How to handle neurotypicals", it's really important for non-neurotypicals to learn to "handle" neurotypicals, it's very beneficial to both parties in fact.)
@X Ennial social skills is something that is learned and practiced and yes as someone with aspergers I learned that shit, by studying in a foreign country for 3 years and having my odd behavior seen as "he's just a foreigner, they're all like that" and that helped a lot because it allowed me to remain in social spaces long enough to learn how to navigate them. If I stayed in America at that age. I would still be struggling with this. NT folks don't give you a chance, they go off of first impressions, don't offer understanding, and shut you out of any social opportunities if they sense anything "slightly" different from themselves. Thus, many NDs struggle with social skills. If you're never given the opportunity to gain those skills, you'll never have them. ND people are humans so can learn just like a NT does, but yea social stigmas means NTs are just mean most of the time.
How do you know who is and who is not a “neurotypical”?
Good question! If they're men and they like football and having beer with their mates, you're 90% sure. If they're women and they love to chitchat about seeming trivialities all day, you're 90% sure too ;)
More seriously, they're in most aspects in the middle of the bell curve. Neither stupid nor intelligent, neither really empathetic but not stone cold either, ... There's also the digit ratio that may tell something: if it's at an extreme end, probably not neurotypical. (See ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html for more details).
Or you can read my book "How to handle neurotypicals" bit.ly/neurotp and see if they fit the description (and learn how to handle them better in the process) ;)
By the way, @@Abel.Abelson, I would love if you made a Discord server for your subscribers to join and discuss with each other.
Most neurotypicals have a look of overconfident confusion on their face.
Neurodivergents tend to be able to"acknowledge" each other instantly- even in a mass and/or at a distance.
We can take stuff in without an eyedance,yet you can "see" every thought a neurotypical has.
@@Abel.Abelsonman your so great, I was talking with my father about how I may just be a little smarter then some people, and how I just never will be the guy happy to chat about Messi for hours while drinking a beer. He found that so.. I don’t now, he didn’t understand understood what I personally started to realize with 29. Funny that this is also your first sentence of explaining “the difference”.
I wouldn’t call it being stupid. I’d say doing stupid things due to their environment & stress levels that impede their cognitive decision making
Aww nuts. You wrote the 'how to deal with neurotypicals' book before I did. Well met sir.
Excellent video!
Interesting video. Im wondering what to do actually because I have aspergers but a few years ago, I have been diagnosed with an iq around 125-130 in the verbal part of the iq test and about 115-120 in the logical part. Due to my aspergers and ADHD my working memory is pretty bad and my working speed aswell which inhibites my full potential, especially in school which originally even lead me to being tested in the first place when I wasnt as cooperative with authorithies as they wished me to be. I would actually say that you and I aren't as different as you might think. Now my question is whether or not to spend more time to study and get perfect grades so I can manage to go to a good university or staying as efficient as I normally am (3-5 hours spent on school a week) and try to advance my personality further and learn languages parallely, do deep thinking paired with philosophy/psychology which is my passion, or something else to improve myself and my happiness and passion to understand and grasp abstract things or learn mathematics/science. My parents want me to study harder although I have mostly good grades, especially if you consider my efficient time management, and I intuitively know that I need to dive deeper into more important stuff. The thing is that I have good friends but sorry for sounding arrogant here: I think the majority of people are just plain dumb and ignorant and toxic and I suspect that if I learn more about the real deep things of life, I may become more and more sad/"annoyed" by people which then leads to losing my good friends and so touch with society completely which I dont find very enjoyable to think about. (Sorry for mistakes im only 16 years old and dont live in a country where you speak english. Edit: I may aswell just feel "brighter" than average because of the dunning kruger effect which sounds plausible to me.)
That's easy to answer. Diplomas are almost worth nothing in a professional career. You should have a minimum to show you're not a complete dimwit who's only good for moving boxes in a warehouse. But a bachelor's degree is more than sufficient for that. Then the only thing you need to do is shine, at the right moments and around the right people (and, together with that, make sure you don't let other people (toxic ones) steal your accomplishments). A management that is a minimum smart and/or efficient is always on the lookout for bright people, independent of diplomas, and they reward you according to your worth in the company, not your diploma. This is even more so if you're self-employed, of course.
If you're afraid you'll lose your friends understanding more about them and life, you already know they're not real friends, you just haven't admitted it to yourself.
Understanding more will never make you sad, running around with eyepatches on does. So that's also very clear.
I am really interested in your 2D:4D digit ratio, could you have a look at my video on that and let me know? It'll be interesting for you too, you'll see: ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html.
And check out my books, might be something for you there too ;) : amzn.to/3paQsmz .
@@Abel.Abelson Thanks for your answer. My 2D:4D digit ratio is 0.9-0.91 and as I already said, I've got mild Aspergers so there seems to be a veritable correlation there as you have already stated. Im definitely gonna look into your books. Also, I'm interested in your experiences/opinions on drugs, especially psychedelics like magic mushrooms/lsd/mescaline if you've ever tried them. I suspect that it might be a useful tool to develope oneself further and if used in balance and responsibly it might help you to become more fullfilled/existentially happier and so the benefits could outweigh the negative side effects (short+long term).
@@Leo-rh6rq I tried a lot of "recreational" drugs but not psychedelic ones. I think dosage of the latter is extremely important, but apart from that I have no special knowledge of or experience with them. I think, *used wisely*, this kind of thing might possibly create some experiences that can give some insight, but there may be better ways also. I also know a lot of people who used a lot of drugs and never advanced a millimeter in either insight or wisdom, they just gradually lost their teeth... Frankly, I don't think they're necessary or as useful as some think they are. It's kind of a fake experience, in the sense that when the drug stops working, so does the experience, and one doesn't take away ll that much from it.
@@Abel.Abelson Very true. I think many people expect too much from these substances because it is being exaggerated how greatly this may influence someone's life to the better. I agree on your view that the experience is somewhat fake and only lasts a couple hours which then fade away into nothing and the person instantly reverts back to their old standpoint but I think it really isnt about really changing something you can instantly notice, for me personally, I suppose people use it rather for the experience which you said aswell life was about. What I dont know is how valueable an experience alone is worth if it doesn't really greatly change the way you behave. Also, I had a thought that the substances may only show you what you need to do/change but they keep the responsibility on the people's part which then isnt followed upon. Like in the metaphor if your parents tell you to become vegan to save the climate, you also wouldn't blame the parents if the kids stayed meat-eaters because they (parents) didnt serve their purpose which was influenced by other causes aswell as for example the kids free will/choice. This is mostly pointed towards psychedelics and not "hard drugs" as they say. Hard drugs seem to mostly be a mechanism to cope with reality in a way that distances themselves from reality which is contrasted by psychedelics which seem like a mechanism to understand more of reality in a greater scheme and enhance their relationship with reality in moderate doses. Im very interested in what you may add/correct to this list of thoughts of mine and I'm very thankful that you take time of your day to read all this and put your oar into this.
@@Leo-rh6rq Not much to add here, I agree :)
Hey, wait a sec, Your book is on my shelf! I'd better subscribe!
People don’t fall into two camps - neurotypical/neurodivergent. End of.
Wow, this analysis is entirely new to me, but it also makes a lot of sense in my view. The question is how we get out of this situation. That may lead back to the communication problems between neurotypicals and neurodivergents, right? Thank you for enriching my view on humanity 🙏
You understand how something works when you are an expert in a given area. And you are not expert in other areas, so you don't understand them. You definitely don't understand everything by being autistic. And there are a ton of neurotypical people who are experts in something and do innovation. :D
Let's just hope us neurodivergent replace the neuro typicals
I attended university, to study philosophy. The decan told me I was to critical. Philosophy is all about critical thinking and I couldn't believe the stupidity of everybody there. They were so blind to things I could see so clearly. I asked to many questions out of curiosity, but other classmates where not intressted in theze subjects if it would not be questioned in the exams. It was a very frustrating experience, but it made me realize I am far above intelligent. I somewhat knew because I had a very high IQ score when I was tested by a psychologist. And my father was a an accademic prodigy. But I didn't understand the implications of having having such high IQ. I do know now, and I hate being this smart. They call it gifted, I experience it as a curse. Especially being a woman.
Why is Bluetooth so LOUD? Why can’t other people hear it?? I can’t stand it!
What if its all upside down and society screwed up the majority of peoples neurologic workings of the brain by conditioning, and it turns out neurodivergent people are the typicals and not other way around.
Also if you take in consideration of the theory that ADHD gene is from hunter gatherer times. When societies started forming it conditioned the brain to what we call neurotypical now, which in matter of fact is dumbed down as the luxery of society doesnt require people to use all logic and senses for themselfses as societal services do that for them.
tbf most genes are from hunter-gatherer times, I'm sure neurodivergence was a beneficial addition to every tribe.
People who are "more intelligent" than you (I would prefer to say people with wider perspective) don't look at you and tell themselves "that person is stupid". That thought of "this is dumb" or "this person is stupid" always comes when something doesn't make sense. But when you have the wider perspective, it makes perfect sense to you (why people do things you wouldn't do and so on).
Stupid neurotypicals vs brilliant neurodivergents ? Isn’t is a bit caricatural ? Of course, there are stupid people. But when you’re smart, you are able to capture the complexity of the world, the nuances. Putting people in two boxes neurotypicals/neurodivergents is of course manichean and doesn’t help that much to understrand anything.
Totally agree with you.
That kind of binary thinking only provides positive reinforcement by giving meaning, simplifying and identifying 'enemies' ,it allows to regain control and reduce anxiety.
In that sense it has very similar patterns with conspiracy theories.
You definitely didn't watch until the end ;) Spoiler alert: the real "stupid" ones are not the neurotypicals ;)
I saw it before writing my comment. « Neurodivergents are the stupidest concerning the fact that they didn’t domesticated or tamed the neurotypicals ». Not exactly your words, but that is the idea of childish-stupid people that damage the world. I can feel too that the world would be less ugly with more intelligence and empathy. Nevertheless, I am a bit uncomfortable with the comptentuous comparisons.
The frontier is not that clear. You have people with a normal intelligence but with empathy, with a moral and an ethic that care about the others, the environment. And you have NDs that have no moral nor ethic and that can damage the world. I make the assumption that you suffered in the past because of people you now call « neurotypicals » and that it helps you now to make such a frontier between the « good ones » (the NDs) and the « bad ones »(the animal-like NTs)
@@PierreLM I'm definitely not into "taming" or "domesticating" neurotypicals, so either I explained badly or you understood wrong :) I referred to neurodivergents being the "stupid" party because they fail to see neurotypicals for what they are, and expect things from them that are not natural for them. It's all about seeing clearly and stopping the "self-projection" (projecting one's own characteristics on others), not at all about "taming" (I find that idea loathsome, actually).
The problem with humanity doing stupid things is due to not understanding human nature or how to ignite the Human Spirit. Those in power feeds society on the human nature towards materialism & status seeking which creates little fulfillment. We must realign ourselves towards the Human Spirit which leads us to evolve in intuition, intelligence & innovation which provides meaning & purpose to us as individuals & as a society. It’s not difficult if those with the most resources understood this & focused their efforts on this instead of centralizing power to manipulate us to conform to their personal ideology or their desire for more power and control.
I notice this every day, but I think is was not a mistake, it's part of a great idea to change the world forever.
The Neurostupicals... 🙄
Nah neurotypical people are normal npcs. They have it easier
all life is irrationality
That's a very rational approach 😉
Putting aside the elitism in the title, I find it kind of funny to compare technology made by neurodivergent people to technology given by aliens, especially since ND people are often called aliens directly. There are many other inhuman qualifiers we tend to receive, and sometimes it can be fun to indulge in them a bit. Yay for being surrounded by alien tech? 🙃
Lol
Same goes for art. Could be that we are aliens, and that our elitism is justified.
When we talk about neurotypicals, the questions is usually against who? Because neurodivergent group is a wide group having people of different kinds and how each group views neurotypicals vary. Again i think it's unfair bunching all neurotypicals together since there area cool bunch among them who are intellectuall gifted or mind the world as it is. Just saying
We all know the solution to this extremely serious problem. Few of us are going to say it, but I know many of you are thinking it.
Basically we are the nephilim
First I went down the polydactly rabbit hole and saw countless annoying nephilim comments, now I go down this rabbit whole and for some reason it confronts me yet again -_-
I think a good solution to the conflict between neurotypicals and neuroatypicals is a regular practice of generosity and humility.
Generosity means a neuroatypical understands that conformists have lots of limitations. And so he gives them advice according to their limitations.
Humility means you don't consider yourself above mingling and sharing with conformists in order to help them out. Instead, you consider it a noble aim to help conformists with tactful advice.
i love this.
@@clemchieng891 Thanks. Glad you found it helpful
This is an interesting discussion. Personally, I feel that to call the average person stupid would be reductive. And it gives off self-important vibes. Idk I would feel really uncomfortable looking down on everyone like that.
Yes, it's a situation for which there is no perfect answer. Or you think and act as if everyone else is exactly as intelligent as you are, in which case they're outright evil; or you see them as somehow "impaired" in which case they can't help it and are innocent, but you're "arrogant". It's one or the other, in my opinion, and which one you choose, defines your life as a neurodivergent to a very large extent.
@@Abel.Abelson Yeah, I think that's right. Maybe the right answer is to say that yes, I do see things that most others can't, but I still keep in mind that there's a lot of things about a person that are important, such as morality, personality, talent, work ethic, and more. That'll bring me back down to "normal".
I think you're right though that specifically related to intelligence, the gap in understanding is just true, even if it can come across arrogant to say. Which is unfortunate and frustrating, so I get it.
The whole environmental thing and ppl not using alternatives is actually just because it simply exists. The corporations keep making it bc they're greedy and don't care + have tons of money behind it. So that's not a neurotypical thing. (I'm neurodivergent btw).
I was thinking this too, his analysis seemed a bit reductive, many neurotypicals are well aware of the damage caused by certain practises and products, yet there is little they can do to fight it. However I must admit he had a point with his follow up statement, many don't like to hear facts that conflict with their comfort, though I've also encountered many people with ASD who can get rather aggressively stubborn when you tell them something that challenges their worldview or prior knowledge, so it's certainly not limited to NTs.
The overwhelming majority of Silicone valley engineers and inventors are neurodivergent who are developing technologies which further stupify neurotypicals.However, I doubt any conspiracy is involved.
This is basically a summary of Atlas Shrugged lol
Nobody should diss Abel Abelson.
He's a stand up guy!
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This seems like a really controversial title. If not openly hostile. Appreciate the warning.
Great. I think it’s worth thinking about how neurodivergents are able to act in the world considering their minority status and under what conditions. For example many highly intelligent nd’s may have had in the past little understanding about how the things they invented might be used, so they could hardly be expected to consider nt differences in things like ethical behaviour.
How about what is common between smart and normal people?
Not much. I feel little commonality with these people, and mostly irritation or contempt. Often both. I would like to live my life free of the gibbering and their bad, stupid, shortsighted decisions.
Yeah, I am dumb as a rock, and I still have a few friends with higher IQs, honestly it seems to be mostly personality that separates the two
Neurotypicals are this way individually yes, but there is still a network of distributed cognition going on. Consider the market, who determines the prices? Everyone does, through their actions. Try a command economy and even the autistic will run short. I don't think us neurodivergents are that good at determining the consequences either, too much complexity.
What exactly is the formula, the theory or the entire science that allows you to measure and sum up all the "damage"? It's wonderful how you can take your subjective judgments and then pretend it is a way to decide something is objectively good or bad. Frankly, you have no standard of what is good or bad and the concept of "damage" is also nonsense. Something can be a hinderance to your goal or "damaging" to your agenda and that's it. There is nothing beyond that. If your agenda is some vision of the world, then you are in conflict with all the people with different visions. Simple as that. There is no right or wrong vision as there is no right or wrong desire. There is no objective good in preserving a specie or natural resource, plus there are always some opportunities/possibilities lost in foreclosing that path.
Don't you think your "honest" thoughts about how neurotypical people "really are" are painted because you have probably been discriminated for being neurodivergent? I mean, it's probably exactly that reason why I like this content.
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100% agree
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According to society, I’m not neurotypical. But omg have I met other neurodiverse people who blow up their own lives and sadly are not the kind of people who make great discoveries or can resist falling into a group of some kind with a fixed way of thinking. I think the binary typical vs diverse categorization of human experience is a gross oversimplification of things and is just another boogeyman vs good guy set up. Neurodivergence and neurotypical are fairly new and unscientific terms and I have yet to hear a proper explanation of what a neurotypical person actually is. It seems like lemming is the type of person being described here with the label neurotypical thrown on it. What it takes to become a “lemming” is going to even still be highly individualized based on that’s persons life experiences. Neurodivergent and high IQ people can still have incredible blind spots that can be read as “stupid” by others.
Check out MBTI, Sensors are the NT and intuestives are the neurodivergent.
Using the cognetive functions from carl jung explains a lot of the dynamics u see today between the people.
Check it out. U are very likely an INTJ.
Good points