Which Side Are You On in the PLUNDERSTORM Debate? The Weekly Reset WoW News
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World of Warcraft Patch 10.2.6 PLUNDERSTORM guide is now live, and the playerbase has never been more divided. Is it a betrayal to launch a battle royal mode for PVP players only? Should it have been kept a secret? Is it an unforgiveable use of fomo? Or is it actually really fun? Let's find out with the TRIAL of Plunderstorm!
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I DIDN’T EVEN REALIZE THE DRACTHYR WEREN’T IN THERE! 😅
'course not. I doubt Pirates are in favor of them anyway.
I didn't either, I don't think they wanted to draw attention to the would be non-functional wings.
The real reason it's because they havent all animations necessary for the abilities. @@EloquentTroll
@@utsuko What hurts is that they do have the animations and can wear equipment in humanoid form, since it uses the Blood Elf base model.
They could have easily put them there and just keep them that way.
same
YAY a new video from my 61st and 62nd favorite wow creators!!
He might be a little salty about this. Devastated even
Nah, top 5 for me :)
Makes total sense that you, a streaming duo, were not invited to join in a streamer event where you compete as....*checks notes* ....a duo...
Think they played as duo once and then he played solo to 40.
I think my overall thoughts on Plunderstorm is this: It's not for me, but I'm glad it exists. I just wish they didn't lock the rewards behind a grind that's hundreds of matches long for most players who don't want to be there. It feels like we're just fodder to improve the queue times for the people who actually enjoy playing it and to bump up their engagement metrics.
And I am very much nervous that this is a recurring seasonal thing, because as someone who doesn't enjoy it (I don't particularly enjoy any competitive PvP that much) I don't want to look at "Play 400 matches of this game in six weeks" a few times per year. I think in small doses I'd probably enjoy it... but make the renown grind... like a quarter of the length it is now? So the people who love playing it can go for the achivements and the enjoyment, and the people who want to dabble and peace out with the loot can do that. I already play more Plunderstorm than I'd like, and if it is a six week thing I'm still behind on the pace I'd need to hit 40 in time.
I'm sure the rewards will be be in the trading post eventually
If they'd actually had PvP rewards instead of stuff completely unrelated TO PvP, then I could have turned my back on paying to be bullied. But instead, pets? Mounts? Transmog?
IMO devs having elements of mystery to content updates is great, but *it is an awful idea for spinoffs.* It reminds me of something that happened during Payday 2's update cycle, when the awfully-fated Overkill's The Walking Dead was announced. It was a really cool buildup teaser, but everyone thought during the buildup it was Payday related, rather than a completely new project tease that was years and years away.
That controversy could've been solved with a quick "this is our next game" clarification, and this could've been solved with replacing the pirate patch teaser with "new PvP mode" teaser on the roadmap. It's ok to keep your audience guessing, but not to keep people guessing on if they'll be in your audience
I must say: I've been playing 3 days and I'm reknown 15. For a casual it takes a lot of effort to get there. Maybe that's a problem, maybe it's not - but it's definitely not fast/easy to get for casual players
it doesn't take effort lol wtf... ?
I gotta say dude 15 renown levels in 3 days is pretty fast lol that's not really high effort at all
@@buscava Well if you progress with same speed all the way to 40, then it would take maybe 8 days, for a casual who can only play a couple of hours every sunday then they might not get there in time, or at least feel stressed about it. That is without considering, that they might want to play other games too, and not spend 8 weeks only playing 1 game. Again I'm not trying to advocate wether it's a problem or not. just saying not everyone can do this. Maybe that's okay.
@@hifgames7076 then they are playing the wrong game... MMOs are literally all about earning things within limited time.
@@hifgames7076 The event is around for a total of 42 days or something. I think 8/42 days that you invest any small chunk of time into the event is pretty quick. If someone doesn't have the time do to the event, and they don't do it so thy don't get all the awards, that's kinds how it should be? Like you should be playing the game to get the rewards.
I'm a PvE'r that plays Plunderstorm as such. I try to avoid other players while I can. Sometimes that's a long time and sometimes it takes about 3 seconds until I get into PvP.
"99% of the match is a scavenger hunt."
Nope. Not even close. I'm being hunted and chased within a minute of landing, by people already one or two levels above me. Every match at this point is a rush to complete the quest and then, if you're lucky, kill a couple of stray mobs before a level 10 chases you across the map. And why does no one talk about where your parrot spawns on the map basically dictates your chances of success? If you spawn directly above a high-density mob area you have a much better chance of success than someone who doesn't.
I'm happy for those who enjoy it, but I'll look back on this grind like I got the last helicopter out of nam.
It's not a fair question. Both positions are correct.
It is new (for Blizzard) and I like that Blizzard is trying new things.
The controls and simplicity are great and I hope something will move to retail.
And, PVP players are sadistic and enjoy the suffering of others, and I hate them all with my whole being.
I'm a PVP player, do you hate me? You are filled with too much anger, young Skywalker.
breaking news: patch that includes solely one feature, a battle royale mode, hated by people who hate battle royale games.
I won't deny that there are plenty of pvp players in wow and many other games who are insufferable peacocks with something to prove and a determination to destroy others good time. That is an occupational hazard. But lumping all pvp players in with the worst of the lot is unfair. There is something challenging and motivating for many people about winning a battle of wits against another thinking human being, rather than a scripted/ algorithmic experience. And you may even find that some pvp players are among the nicest people you'll meet, outside of the games. It's a heterogeneous group, just as much as pve players are. But when you leap into a pvp game mode, it is not reasonable to expect people who come for the designated pvp experience to stop everything and artificially change the way they play, just to coddle a pve player who can't be easily identified anyway.
PvP players are the only people I know who'd chase me across the map for no reason other than the fact I refused to fight them and focus on plunder instead
I've tried to gather plunder for transmogs on two separate days, and was griefed on both days.
I've found the best way to get plunder is get into the game, land on the outskirts, round up around 400 - 500 plunder in less then 5 minutes and bounce into the storm then into the next game. Faster then trying to survive until the end and inevitably die to my lack of skill. 😂
I have read you have no control on where you land if that's true then it's out of your hands
@jessicahampton4581 yes and no, you do spawn in the air at random places, so if you're wanting to go to the same place every time you'd be landing later and be at a disadvantage then someone whose bird spawned there, but you can control the bird (be it a little wonky) and go pretty far.
I think plunderstorm could benefit from a "Bot mode" like Comp Stomp. Maybe even at slightly reduced rates of plunder gathering, but it would help those who dont want to pvp still get the rewards without the bad feeling of fomo.
Personally, i was disappointed initially about the announcement last week but then i got hooked (pun intended) on it and played it for like 8hours straight day one.
As somebody that lividly hates forced PVP and FOMO, Plunderstorm has been the bane of my existence. Just staring at the daunting renown tree makes me despise getting back into WoW period. I'm renown 13 and it took me 1 day to get it. Honestly it's making me not even want to log in, and I've been playing WoW since Vanilla, even through shadowlands.
I try getting 2 levels each day. The first quest you do gives an extra 800 rep so it goes pretty quick usually. maybe that works for you aswell.
I also hate PvP with a passion. I've made it to renown 10 and did it through gritted teeth and sheer determination to get the collectables. But little by little my love for the game is being chipped away. Every time I'm ganked in Plunderstorm, it takes me back to being ganked in the early days of the retail game when it was easier to make someone pvp against their will.
add to it forced to do MELEE pvp. I've never played a melee alt as I am so bad at it. Add pvp and this was a nighmare. I got to 40 this morning, never managed to kill another player or tried, and HATED every minute of it.
I think the gamemode it self is fun, but having to grind it for the rewards is what makes it a pain in the bum.
The rewards are for playing the mode. Don't play it if you don't enjoy it. Play it if you do enjoy it, and enjoy the rewards you get along the way.
@@oskioskioski Bullshit... First of all, the rewards arent even for that game... the rewards are cosmetics for WoW. So don't come with that crap please... People play it begrudgedly for the rewards... 99% of wow players hate it, either because is a pvp game, or because of the horrible grind forced upon us, and atop all that is FOMO...
@@josejuanandrade4439you do realise u don’t have to grind for the rewards if u don’t want to 😂 wow players lol
I don't understand you ppl. Its the same as original pvp rewards. I love the mounts but i hate pvp. Conclusion: I dont play it and shit on the reward thats it.
@@syrus1233 wow players genuinely are lunatics. Why the f are people torturing themselves to get some pixels they'll use for 5 minutes then never look at again just to tick a meaningless number.
I hate plunderstorm so much just because of FOMO. Like, I don't want to play it and I have minimal drive to do so but simultaneously I'm not doing much in retail other than grind for completionist kinda stuff. Xmogs, pets, etc. So I have a nagging feeling of, well, I should probably farm out the FOMO stuff first, right? Except I don't wanna. So it made me go from farming out all my alt stuff weekly to avoiding WoW entirely.
So I just go play other games. Rational or not... It's just how plunderstorm makes me feel.
That sounds great to my tbh. Sounds like you're struggling with a bad addiction, and I get that. It really sucks, but getting over fomo is the only way to be happy. Giving in to "I need it all" will waste your time and make you miserable
Maybe try grinding about 2 levels each days. you will be done in 3 weeks without burning out on it.
@@origami83 I do that lol. The suggestions here are wild. LOL do you think I am grinding it now?
I just optimize my gains and dip while watching tv but that still prevents me from wanting to play retail the other times because of benchmarking the two activities.
I ain't looking for solutions or morons (other dude, not you) with their armchair psychology. I'm just explaining how making the decision between two things pushes somebody towards a third.
@@wonkywaddlingwaterwingedwriter Well tbf there isnt that much left to do in retail anyway.
iam sorry to hear plunderstorm makes you feel this way. Gl with it.
My reflexes arent as sharp as they used to be, so i feel like i cant keep up with the more flexible players. Most have already figured out the meta completely and sweatlords will try and kill me at every turn. After grinding the PvE for about 45 hours i can attest to questing being fun. Do the quest, pick up plunder and then run into the storm. If they made a counterpart PvE to this I could see some real potential, the PvP is pretty one-sided so I dont really want to see another season of it
agreed & glad to hear more people are giving their plunder to the storm instead of the sweadlords.
I’m in the same boat. I’ve run it a few times, even watched videos on how to avoid getting ganked, but just end up getting hunted down and flattened before I can even really figure out what on earth I’m supposed to do or go.
Not for me. I want the transmogs, but not enough to stress over it.
The Pandamonium event is going to be PvE.
@@SamMathewsOfficial I'll believe that when I see it.
@@SamMathewsOfficial I hope so, but I've got my doubts after this.
My favorite part of this -- has been the PVPers mad on the forums about PVEers running into the Stormwall and denying them plunder. Resulting in a bit of a Cult of the Stormwall to pop up. :D
That’s me. I get 450-500 and head on in. Love when someone chases me to it.
I am firmly Cult of the Stormwall. I've always hated pvp, and just resigned myself to not adding the vicious mounts and admittedly really awesome tmogs to my already impressive collection. I'm not upset about it, it's just a thing that is. The most upset I've ever been about pvp was when they required pvp achievements for the violet protodrake. But I was also fifteen+ years younger at the time. :) I was disappointed that a BR was the big thing we were waiting on. Yet here I am, Cult of the Stormwall-ing my way to renown 40 anyway. I've had a lot of fun running duos with my husband, and we've found the best way to get plunder is just to get in, finish quests, and beeline it for the wall - usually without seeing ANY other players. I had considered that we are "denying" the pvpers the plunder we carry in with us, but we also make it easier for you to win your match (at which point you get an extra 500 plunder that I'll never see) So... truce? XD
*Edited to add that y'all are actually in my top 5 :) I don't watch very many content creators regularly, and you're on that short list. Really enjoy
>pvper
>on the forums
a real % of a % right there
PRAISE BE TO THE STORMWALL!!!!
I'm a WoW PVPer and an avid one, but Plunderstorm feels more like a budget League than it does HOTS or WoW
PVErs should have a mode where you race to kill mobs and survive to be the one with the most at the end.
PVPers should have a mode where you're purely rewarded on PVP kills and surviving to the end.
This middle ground sucks for both of us, I assure you.
As far as favorite creators go, I placed Tali and Evi at 69th.
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Careful now, you'll summon George Takei
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It should have been in the main game with pirate ships or sail boats using the VAST unused ocean in the game. It could have been exploration, pve and pvp based with customization of our ships. It really could have essentially been the same but with those boats firing off abilities and if we get close enough, using our swords and guns while hanging off the mast or something.
And it could have doubled as a mini player housing!
I really like your idea!😀
Remember when Blizz locked part of the MoP Legendary Questline behind winning PvP matches? Remember how well that went over? Sure, that was player power, but 40 levels of highly coveted cosmetics that Blizz is 1000% aware players like is not far off
I would feel neutral towards plunderstorm (pvp battle royale is not for me, but thats okay), but they hyped it up as a dragonflight patch (pirate flag on the retail timeline) and that's not what it is at all. Even calling it 10.2.6 was misleading.
So instead of feeling neutral about it on release all I felt was disappointment, and a little anger that we were misled purposefully to build hype.
It was supposed to be something for everyone to discover together, and yet as a PvE player who plays world of warcraft there wasn't anything for me in world of warcraft. There was just the option of playing a separate game I don't want to play.
Same, I feel like... if I'm paying a subscription fee that equals a AAA title every four months I expect... something that, while not quite AAA content, is close when you factor in community and character progression. Different game mode with transmog does not hit those notes for me.
Yup, if they had either just secret dropped this, no announcement at all, *or* when they announced 10.2.6 said what it was both would have been fine. But this subtly building hype/no management of expectations, combined with the we "everyone discover it together", made it feel bad.
And on that latter; firstly why no global launch then? Why make EU players feel like 2nd class citizens about this. And secondly as mentioned in the video, it didn't really feel like there was anything to discover.
Also the reward track is bad, but separate issue.
This!!!!! This was going to be my comment, near exactly! Plunderstrom is not a bad game for a BR. But, it was billed as a Dragonflight Patch for WoW retail, and that is NOT what we got. So, this is partial disappointment and anger over being misled.
They got your sub didn’t they?
This is exactly right. Blizz lied, and people who say it's good seem to forget that fact.
Having an option to switch PVP mode off and add harder zones in return that requires upgrades would DEFENETLY make this a win for everyone.
Yeah, it's so obvious this would have alleviated much of the salt, but nope...got to suffer gank only mode....
As someone who is disabled I have major issues with Plunderstorm. I don't have the reaction time and it just sucks to not to be able to earn some awesome rewards.
I'm sure in due time they'll return in the trading post. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
@@7PlayingWithFire7 I will be so upset if they put these things on the TP after I grinded a game I hated for them. They need to be transparent about all of these things.
i have a friend who's legally blind and is a really exceptional healer in wow. she regularly gets the m+ mounts, but she finds plunderstorm impossible to play because she can't use addons that make things visible for her. she can't see the map. can't see where she's landing. can't tell the players from the npc trash mobs. she literally cannot play the game at all. she's deeply disappointed about the whole thing.
Yeah the use of addons that make the make the game more accessable should really be allowed. It's rought knowing you can't do something because of your disability.
you dont have the reaction time to hit the attack button on mobs, collect plunder and re-que when someone takes you out?
do you also complain that you cant get kills in bge's or arena's?
I would go one step further and complain your not allowed to race in F1 due to your reaction times!
sarcasm aside, many people have pointed out (including Tali in this very video!!) that running around grabbing plunder and not bothering with pvp is the faster way to grind rep
but hey that very obvious fact gets in the way of 'muh inclusion' complaints right
My biggest issue is the tease for so,ething that turns out to be 100% PvP. If you're going to do a PvP patch - say so, so nobody is wildly disappointed when patch day arrives and it's 100% not your thing.
But this is not WoW PvP. It's got nothing to do with WoW PvP, and literally the easiest and most efficient way to play the mode is to do PvE shit, as many content creators have demonstrated. I'm sick of people complaining/implying/suggesting that it's aimed at WoW PvPers, because I am a relatively high ranking PvP player in most seasons, and I fucking hate this mode. It is shit; utter dogshit. I played like 4 rounds of it and stopped because it's so shit.
its not 100% pvp.
and the ptr is already building up for season 4 which is mostly pve so I really dont see how this would be an issue
It's not enough that pirate thing is just this. Pirate theme deserves a lot more. This battle royale could be replaced by any other theme and there would be no difference. So I'm not satisfied with how pirate theme was used, unless they plan more in the future.
Yeah, pirates in the Arathi Highlands just didn't seem quite right.
@@kaya2576 didn't they have a dock in arathi?
If I didn't want the rewards I wouldn't even play it.
Nearly everyone I know played it a few times and gave up on the rewards as not worth the time. I'd love to see actual Blizzard stats on average plunder per run, but I'd bet it's under 200.
@@willythemailboy2 I get at least 750 a run. I've gotten very good at hide and go seek.
@@faust4456 From what I've seen in the lobby, you are scoring abnormally high. At least 10 people per game die in the first 30 seconds.
Aight so first:
-Doing "PvE" only in a BR that has it is still serving the PvP, BRs are all PvP centric game, if there is PvE it serves the PvP.
-If they run it again, they must absolutely remove the reward for main WoW from it
I am currently up to renown 20 and have yet to find a game that I was able to avoid the pvp even though I never engage in it. I try to run away and they chase me even if I decide to run into the storm to end the game. So you're example of just pve'ng is what I always do and have yet to be successful at getting away with not being attacked and killed. I have no problem admitting I am horrible at any form of pvp and I do not find it fun. Everyone is different though, art (and games) are subjective.
you're not alone. I got to 40 today having never killed a SINGLE OTHER PLAYER. I suck at melee and pvp so this was a nightmare. Spent most of my time hiding or running away.
I would be less upset by Plunderstorm if they hadn't tried to push the idea of it having something for everyone. It doesn't. It just doesn't. Throwing NPCs onto the map doesn't mean the game has a "PvE Mode" and the way people (like Bellular, just for example) say things like "just avoid other players" really gets under my skin. You can't. They chase you down. That isn't fun.
Then don't play. What's the big deal? Do you also get mad that mythic raiding exists? Or questlines you never play exist in the game? Or high m+ levels? Or pvp ingame?
Yeah I do not like being canon fooder either for other players or hope I am simply lucky enough i wont be early prey every other game...
@@derdruckerflusterer4300 so do we all. So the solution is to not be easy prey. You can't be unlucky every match. Or don't play.
If pixels you'll use for 1 day are that important to you that you'll be unhappy about earning them youve got bigger issues to deal with..
At worst you can most likely buy the rewards with tendies later on
@@7PlayingWithFire7 You realize that people will just actually not play it, right?
@7PlayingWithFire7 I was just pointing out that I felt the way it was promoted was disingenuous. If they had said, "Hey, this a PvP event and designed to appeal to people who enjoy that kind of thing. PvE players may want to hold out, we have something coming for you later," then I would have been a little sad, but I would've understood what was going on instead of jumping in under-prepared. I never said I was angry it existed. I'm not. I just disagree with the way it proposed as being something for everyone when it isn't. That's all. 💜
I'm on side "nah thanks"... It's not tied to my char, so no attachment to it either - and if i wanted to play a battle royale instead of an MMORPG, I would do so :D Bit bummed about it having that many rewards tied to it, but I'll pass on them bc it was also just not fun at all.^^
I do like they are trying new things for sure, just happens that this one is a miss for players like me. :)
Thats where it gets me confused. As soon as I see some urge to play a battle royale, I would go elsewhere and not think of wow in the slightest. If I want to play mmorpg, I would log into wow and not elder scrolls online or another. Sure not everyone has the same taste but there are just known established games in certain genres.
Hate pvp. The renown track idea with it. Makes people who don't like pvp but collect things hate their life grinding. The renown levels take to long if you can't pvp for crap
But why would collectors care about fomo pvp rewards now? They have always been there
Look at the sheer number of them. And some people suffer through reg pvp for stuff.i hate pvp but have several pvp mounts.
The only fault on Blizz' side (and it is a huge one, though it has nothing to do with Plunderstorm itself) was to make it seem this was a patch offering content within the game. They would have spared themselves a lot of the negative reactions by simply revealing the single fact that the "World-Of-Warcraft patch" 10.2.6 will not contain ingame-content. From now on, there will always be the question (even by those who thoroughly enjoy PS) whether any somewhat ambiguously presented features for any further patch or even expansion will actually be in the game and not some stand-alone mini game with cosmetic ingame rewards (which probably will appear in the Trading Post eventually anyway), that will not contribute to character progression, not even by granting quest rewards. In fact, as of now this particular question already has been raised with regards to Pandamonium (10.2.7), though there was no doubt about that before, simply because Holly Longdale commented on the annoucement on WOWHead. Knowing the playerbase, all of this was easy to predict, thus the question is why Blizzard is questioning the reliablity of their very own content annoucements.
My big Problem with Plunderstorm is that I got completely hyped up.
I am a huge pirate nerd. I loved the Idea about a pirate themed event in WoW. I loved it even more when I saw the awesome transmog set and then came the big disappointment: It's a battle royal and that's basically my least liked type of game.
I would not have had any problem with that if it was just announced as just that.
I would have known that it's not my piece of cake and I would just leave it be and enjoy the pieces of WoW that are fun for me.
However Blizzard has been dangling a huge juice carrot before me for weeks or even months now only to serve me my least favourite dish and I have to eat it all up to get that sweet desert.
That just makes it feel so much worse that if they had just a battle royal mode.
stop with the "im just mad at the announcement" copium and move on.
The reason why they kept it secret wasnt to build hype. But because they knew people would not want it. If they annonced it in advance they would have had months of negative press, PR and what have you from the community.
They knew they had a bad idea and tried to hide for as long as possible because, shame i guess.
I wasn't quite happy that it was a separate mode but I just grinded the renown out, mostly the non-pvp way. I was really excited when looking through the renown track and seeing that there as a quest in-game DF and thought it would mean that there was at least a short piratey questline (perhaps a Flynn/Fairshaw or other beloved piratey npcs cameos) but then it was just to get some crests....
One thing I would have liked was the ability to course correct at the start when you realise you've aimed for the same spot as someone else.
I hate it, plain and simple.
Same here. Such a waste of resources and time.
Yeah, pretty much fucking hate this. Glad other people are having fun, but for me this is absolute shit.
I agree
Blizzard takes risks to keep branding fresh. I applaud them for that. If it was another nonsensical grind implemented into Dragonflight, who would care? It would have had zero hype, buzz, and much needed excitement back in the game. Those who "hate" it are just REALLY bad and/or are part of the dying breed of players that Blizzard ought not cater to anymore anyways.
@@shamlotbestrhapsever7437 always the best arguments from 8 year olds. Keep'em coming.
I'd love to not PvP in Plunderstorm... but having someone else jump on my back and un-alive me while I'm trying to quietly get through the battlepass... sorry, renown track really takes away from that. Especially when it happens in the first twenty seconds of a round and I go out with 30 plunder towards that 80,000 target.
I just wish they would tell us exactly when it ends so I know if doing 1 renown level a day will be enough to get to 40. I'm on 12 atm. I just need another 28 days.
They said 6 weeks on the announcement
They repeatedly said 1 renown per day, so you can assume at least 40 days
Been trying that myself but it's a hell of a slog.
My biggest issue is that it was indeed marketed as a 'Patch' for WoW; whilst the only content it offers for WoW Dragonflight is new (awesome) transmogs/mounts and various other cosmetic rewards. I'm not a huge fan of PvP, but I've had fun in games (specifically duos because I suck).
I appreciate what Blizzard did and are trying, I just... couldn't help feeling marginally disappointed. It took less than 3 days for there to be 'best places to drop', 'guides to win', yadda yadda.
I honestly think that Plunderstorm is quite fun, as long as you don't run into someone who chases you down to the ends of the world the moment you land and wont even let you complete your quest. But maybe if there was some sort of 2 minute timer until you could attack and kill other players that could be fixed a little. Then again, maybe they should have put an PvE ingame event that rewards the same items with maybe different colors, like there usually is with PvE and PvP sets of the same season, as well as maybe a different colored mount/pets and a little bit of a different final title. That way everyone could get everything in a way that is more like in the main game as well. If you're just a PvEler you usually wouldn't get any PvP sets, mounts and titles anyway, which is pretty much possible in Plunderstorm, and if you're just a PvPler you'll usually have to wait an expansion or two until you can solo the old raids as well, which also isn't the case with Plunderstorm.
The fact that Disguised toast is part of the event and not T&E is odd.
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Don't know how you managed to do Plunderstorm without doing PvP. I tried and never got more than level 2. Getting ganked and having to start over really turned me off.
People are just getting 500 plunder then leaving matches it's faster to get more plunder then staying in😂
Blizzard should focus on making wow's game play fun and focus on WOW no wasting time on emulating other games in wow, like pokemon, breath of the wild, pokemon snap and fortnite...
I hate it so very much, just have to live without the goodies.
I did not enjoy Plunderstorm. But I've gotten my 40 Renown and now I am done with it.
i hate it SO much! stil 5
Are the transmogs THAT good? You would grind a game you don’t like?
@@natepfisame here - hating the game - loving the mog and mounts. I'm on renown 30 :( I hate every second of it
@@natepfi don't forget the trader's currency too that's really valuable
@@natepfi People have been begging blizzard to put in a Long coat/trench coat transmog option for over a decade. Most don't wanna wait another Decade for another chance.
My 2 cents about plunderstorm is that there ought to have been a way in-game for those who don't like BR or pvp to earn the rewards. since they tried to sell it as something that was for everyone. They can make as many minigames they want as long as there is no treasure chest of in-game rewards. I like that Plunderstorm exists for who like that kind of game, it's just not for me.
Id bet money that it'll go into the trading post after the event is over. Or when it returns for a second time
@@7PlayingWithFire7 Sure, they'll price every piece at 500 tenders or more and you won't be able to buy it all. That would be fine if they'd sell it as a set. I'd pay 900 or 1000 tendies for it.
@@7PlayingWithFire7 But we don't know that. So the FoMO remains.
they could do a who can get the most plunder before the storm consumes us no pvp type thing, at least then i wont have to worry about getting ganked by a lvl 10.
"they tried to sell it as something that was for everyone" people seem to be latching on to this. its copium. companies market a product for everyone and will not be exclusionary, as you want as many potential customers as possible. it does not matter if the product is not actually for everyone. google how advertising/marketing work.
Oh the truth bomb "Is it wrong that I like the game even more because he's not allowed?" poor dragon race.
I was shocked she said that! But secretely nodded in intense agreement.
It must be because their flying would make it awkward? I dont know what other reason they would be not allowed.
@@captain_context9991 lack of animations
@@7PlayingWithFire7
But animations for what? They are using already existing animations for everything.
I think not allowing Dragonkin is clearly racist.
finished plunderstorm (40) hour ago never killed a single player - was it Fun - No - but they put the Tender and that Waistcoat behind that grind and by that level it only seemed right to finish it off.
Avoiding PvP is not entirely in your control though. (To refute your n=1) Sure, it can be your intent, but it's up to luck and who is in your match and where they fall on the pve vs gank-early -and-often spectrum. The frustration can come from having your play goal (quick renown pve grind) be interfered with by some. Like you, I tried the 'other way' just to entertain the idea I may be missing the fun but found it more frustrating due to high latency (why no local servers?) and definitely not as efficient for me. So overall for me, the whole event is like being forced to have warmode on, on a laggy server, while trying to enjoy the questing/levelling experience. I am glad for the people who are having fun, but it was certainly not designed/implemented for everyone. I am 40 now and will only log back in to help a friend i.e. to give them my plunder by dying before them in duos
Lets take the cosmetic rewards out of the equation and see how popular this game really is....
Im thinking, not very!
Its essentially The Phantom Menace of the WoW franchise!!LOL
Havent been able to avoid pvp once in the 6-7 rounds I played. I ran away, made it very obvious in the best way that I wasn't interested, was lv2 maybe most times and had less than 300 plunder, ded. Land on elite to grab some plunder? Ded before I could get my stuff collected.
I have accessibility issues with my hands, this mode is awful for me
Yeah you run away from someone who attacks you right after you land at level one and solely carrying a barrel and they chase you halfway across the map anyway.
@@kaya2576 They chase you because they are shit pvpers and that's the only way they can gank anyone and feel like a BIG BOY.
@@happyclam1266 That or be 4 levels above you and one shot you. Just leave me alone to hide in the bushes, finish the quest and leave!
I reinstalled FF14 until Season 4 drops. Not what I was expecting at all.
I didn't like it, but it's not as bad as the selfie patch. I finished my renown grind last night and I'll never go back to it.
I hate it. I don't want to be forced to do PVP. It's super annoying. I'm not good at it, I don't want to get good at it. I'm playing the stupid patch for the pets... that's it, and I'm miffed that Blizzard is making me go through it.
I'm just over halfway thru the renown climb. I really don't like battle Royale style pvp, but I do want those rewards. Overall I wouldn't mind it if it weren't for the horrible choice to keep it secret. I would rather stay bucolic with pve, but I'll try to gather around 600 gold a match and run directly toward my closest defeat so I can get a new game. No motivation to win
new strat: kite the pieces of hate into the storm as you're looking to end a round. the storm will knock plunder off it and you can collect ~200 more plunder before you lose hp
there really is not a good reward for winning either, if it was like 10k plunder for a win then id try, that is 4 renown lvls
The proverbial "shoot yourself in the foot" moment was letting people think it was a patch directly related to the main wow game. If they had said they were trying something different outside, but related, to wow and were clear on the timed event from the start, I think the reaction would've been different. Not to mention not tying rewards to the game mode.
As it stands for myself, my sub was cancelled and this didn't give me any will to resub. If I want to play a battle royale, there are plenty out there which are F2P, and not paywalled behind a sub.
The only problem with Thunderstorm is that it was a patch I Dragonflight, and have absoutely nothing to do with my chars that I play in WoW. Otherwise it's pretty good.
When the release date from the patch was semi nailed down by the player base, I put in PTO to take off this week. I had a feeling the servers would be down mostly on the day it came out, and I wasn't exactly wrong. I work 3 days one week (Sun-Tues), 4 days the next (Sun-Wed) with 12 hour shifts, so I had decided to take this week off which is my 4 day week. Due to my office being small, I have a hard time taking time off. I put this in back in February to ensure I had my time and my coworkers were well aware. I was expecting a patch of actual discovery. Something like maybe running around in old zones discovering pirate lore, getting pirate theme loot, maybe pirate themed bosses in old dungeons. When I saw it was a PvP patch, I regretted wasting my PTO and my week off. I LOATHE PvP. I lost my overtime for this which will make my check smaller for this patch. It'd hard for me to take time off and not likely I'll be so lucky to get a week off again in the future. A day here and there maybe, but another 3-4 day stretch? My coworkers don't often want to cover my shifts.
Blizzard should have announced at least from the start it was a PvP oriented patch. I wouldn't have wasted my PTO and would have just written off the patch out of the gate. I would have instead waited to take my PTO when 10.2.7 instead. Now I can't do that. Thank you, Blizzard, for not saying anything about what 10.2.6 was causing me to waste my time off opportunity.
I've given Plunderstorm a chance because my PTO has been wasted at this point and may as well just play. I'm at renown 33 and intending to hit 40 tomorrow. My opinion hasn't changed. It's a boring grind. I still LOATHE PvP. While I had never touched a battle royale before, this experience really turns me off to them going forward even if I liked PvP. The bad part is, I was happy playing the retail game just fine before 10.2.6 as well. Now after several hours getting 50-600 renown per game in Plunderstorm (yes, I'm a storm runner because I HATE PvP), now I'm finding I don't enjoy the retail game anymore. I log in for a few minutes, contemplate what I want to do, and then log out to do something else instead. Plunderstorm killed my interest, and I just took a 3 year break when Shadowlands came out. I returned last October and was enjoying myself despite not doing dungeons or raids (I haven't done any heroic or mythic dungeons nor even LFR) ... until now. Plunderstorm's killing my interest. In past expansions when I got bored with current connect, I could go back to old and still be fine. I'm still trying to get Rivendare's Charger after 17 years. Now, I can't even bring myself to do that. Plunderstorm is a very boring repetitive grind. Being time limited makes it even worse because either you force yourself to do it and get it done quickly, especially when they haven't accounted when it ends, or you lose out entirely.
TLDR: I HATE Plunderstorm.
I am sorry you lost your PTO, that totally sucks. I agree with what you've said entirely. I just hit renown 40 and hated nearly every minute of it. I did have some fun here and there, but most just end up mad. I noticed during the grind over the last several days any time I'd log into retail my interest wasn't there, even today after reaching renown 40. I too have taken a break from dungeons and raids this expansion and have just been enjoying the game itself, but after Plunderstorms that has even lost its luster.
Sorry, but you thought taking an entire WEEK off work for a x.x.6 patch was worth it? It was bound to be smaller than 10.2.5 and 10.2.7, and yet you took an expansion release amount of time off. It sounds like you don't enjoy the game much to begin with, so I don't know why you thought that was a good idea. Hope you were able to use your time off to enjoy yourself in ways that don't involve WoW.
They should've, but... this one is entirely your own fault. Making financial decisions based on literally just a pirate logo is the most irresponsible dumb things I've ever read a wow player admit to in a long time
@@austinipsen5677 Stop pretending people didnt hype this fucking patch to the stars.
I feel for ya, and understand this anger. They kept this far more secret than a damned expansion. No PTR, no notes, nothing, just a hype train to the stars. Planning time off for something so secretive I can see that. And then we get this non-patch and a game mode that happens to be in an area of the WoW universe for awesome loot that you can't just earn through In Game. It's a bait and switch and a bad move in many ways. :( Sorry, I'm right there with ya on this. I've tried and tried to play this, a type of game I despise, just to collect these rewards...and now I just want to uninstall WoW entirely. I had more fun playing...Shadowlands....than this.
I would like a sims WOW mode in the form of player housing....
call it Azerothian Abodes, and you can collect tons of stuff across the game like that one random rock from Pandaria Lol
@@mossysnail6857 I’m just hope they wouldn’t race lock it. My character isn’t a dwarf but is a big enjoyer of dwarves and dwarvish aesthetic so I’d love for her to have a dwarf house
Im totally fine with it being a secret because imagine how badly the community would have reacted if it was announced early.
Blizz would get three words into typing "WoW Battle Royale-" in a bluepost and the community would be literally shitting out of its ears and begging for Holly's head to be impaled on the spikes on the Ogrimmar gate
My only Problem is that they label is as "WoW content" just because they used that engine and all for convenience. Luckily I do not like the new transmog and Mount so I cannot be bothered by not playing Plunderstorm at all. They should have communicated they try something new not directly in wow but something altnernatively tied to wow. For most of Dragonflight Blizzard was overly communicative and listened to players feedback. IMHO the backlash is only that harsh because "keeping it secret" and goot communication before raised expectation for a cool minor patch in a content drought which will surely last into late summer/fall when Prepatch arrives.
I don't really see the appeal at all but a lot of people are enjoying it so that's more of a me problem honestly.
To get it out of the way, I find it disappointing it was labeled as a WoW patch when it does nothing to contribute to WoW content. It has potential and is a neat idea. However, I'm finding it a miserable grind in actual gameplay. What would help immensely in my opinion is to: make the make bigger or reduce the number of players, randomize the elite/chest locations, and maybe find something better than character level ups. Also, I find it ridiculous to have 40 renown levels for a limited time event and with the good rewards all loaded at the high levels while the lower levels are full of filler items. It should have been 20 renown levels and toss the rest of the rewards into vendor(s) and in rewards within the gameplay.
Most games I can't even play because I'm finding I need to run from another player within the first 30 seconds and I got a crap ability. So then I end up either dead or way behind on abilities/levels.
i have fomo... And i really don't care for the massive grin Plunderstorm is.. But i really really want the parrot mount... This sucks so bad...I guess ima have to just sit down and do it..
Yeah, I think if you just approach it as a big game of hide and seek, you'll be fine. The longer you last, the more renown you'll earn, then die and go again. I'm not a PVP'er, but I made it through the grind and even had moments of accomplishment when I survived to finish 2nd or managed to kill other players (which did not happen often).
My 2cents, it would just make it to OK, if there was a 2-4min PVE only section at the start to allow scallywags to do the captains quest before getting PVP'ed
Thatd be boring af though. Appealing to as many as possible makes garbage.
Honestly when it comes to Plunderstorm, I do not think I would have been as disappointed about it, if it was a stand alone game like hearthstone or HoS, I fully agree and think Plunderstorm is its own game, not wow...
Neltharion didn't go crazy and lock his children in stasis jail for centuries just for them to face pirate olympics racism.
“I totally agree with everyone’s complaints about this game mode but I am a content creator who can afford to spend hours a day grinding the rewards so I enjoy it”
FTFY
Microsoft is going to hire a consultant to explain that they need to fire whoever at Blizz keeps cranking out mini games instead of more dungeons and we will have a golden age of more instances.
Extra dungeons won't do shit I'm afraid, and they know it. Especially as players hate the newest dungeons the most
I've played it one time for like 2min. I don't like it at all, but i hate battle royals. But the could've made it to a game mode in-game like pvp/dungeons.
I think it was a little odd to sell it as a wow patch when it's pretty separate, i think people that were hoping for something they could do with their mains and were disappointed are fair to be disappointed, but personally I think the game mode is pretty fun
there's also some pretty unhinged complaints as always
Initially before I tried it I was like Wow what a waste. After playing, it’s actually fun but I can only tolerate 4-5 matches a day before it gets too repetitive.
1. They could have avoided the whole problem with two words on the flag "PvP Event". 2. They tied rewards that PvE players/collectors/moggers would find HIGHLY desirable to an unfamiliar PvP mode. Most of us have engaged in PvP an one point or another for something we wanted but this wasn't even OUR PvP.
Here's the thing: If you collect anything in WoW, but also don't want to do every content, you are not the correct player to do any collecting.
Its like getting mad that pvp rewards arent free, or curve mounts, or m+ mounts aren't, cause you want to collect all the rewards.
You're not really a collector then, you've just got major fomo and an addiction, you should look into that.
You're not a collector if you only want rewards for the sake of having it all, you just got major fomo and an addiction. Had that shit with skins in games before.
In order to get every reward, you need to do every content. If that's not for you, collecting isn't for you. And that's not only okay, that's good. When you learn to give up on the fomo, you'll be happier
@@7PlayingWithFire7Ah...but I don't want EVERY reward...the one I want is the Red eyepatch for my Rogue...Reknown 38
Plunderstorm is truly the marmite of WoW.
You need it just in small amounts?
@@Bexebeche Marmite is infamous for being liked or disliked in the extreme.
@@DwightOfTheDeadplaying plunderstorm and eating marmite makes me really salty
Hey, great job demonstrating what jury nullification is in this episode :)
You know what new Warcraft game type I want to see, and I know this is a crazy suggestion, but how about an RTS
What's funny is that back in the early 2000s all my friends on Everquest thought it was stupid that some RTS company thought it could make an MMO.
You can't do it pve. I get killed before I can do the objective regularly.
Hearthstone is a card game with a WOW skin. Plunderstorm is a fortnite game with a WOW skin. Both these are different genre’s of game.
While I don’t mind trying Blizzard’s new games I just feel it wrong to grind reputation in another game that isn’t WOW. It can also set a very dangerous precedent with Blizzard dangling WOW rewards in all their other games if we start to accept this as the norm.
Plunderstorm is like at the bottom my list, so do raid, keys, alt key, gold runs on all and then finally Plunderstorm. Lets hope I get enough time to get to 40
Boy I hate it.
Did you steal that hammer from the guys working on your ceiling?
Don't attach a +20hours grind for many unique retail rewards, to an outside (gank only) game mode...
If it's so great, it should stand on its own merrits, detach it from a sub required too.
But of course, Blizzard needed the giant carrot to pad its numbers...
11:02 On the other hand, anyone who has landed on a PoI enough times (especially when playing with random squads with voice chat either disabled (like myself) or set to friends-only who refuse to land anywhere else) knows that you're going to be fighting for your character's life right off the bat a lot of the time and may immediately or quickly lose a lot of matches. You sure as heck can't get any renown by going full BushCampDad too, you have to explore.
I wish I could turn PvP off while I farm the gold off the npc's
Or at least Make it PvE the first 5 minutes so everyone has a chance to get their quest done!!
Also I think they should allow us to have all 6 Quests every game, thus allowing us to grind 1500 points from quests + the plunder we gather.
“20 hours of gameplay in 4 days isn’t that much” lol what?
I think he meant that 20 hours of gameplay to finish the renown track isn't that bad. :D
At least in terms of WoW grinds I suppose that's probably true. Over 6 weeks requiring 20 hours isn't terrible.
No more rewards for WoW in Plunderstorm, it should have its own rewards that are only for itself and make this stand on its own and not bribe players to play it to boost engagement metrics.
they have done this with hearthstone, W3 Reforged, StarCraft, diablo, HotS, they bribed wow player to play those with mounts and pets. you mad about that? probably not.
You sob I actually felt bad for that nice dragon lady 😂
What really gets me though is that at some point, probably MANY points, in the creation process for this people at Blizzard certainly must have spoken up and said "This is a completely terrible idea and at least half of our players will hate this."
And nobody listened to them.
The passive hate for the Dracthyr seems to be universal! That last comment of Evitel got me lol really hard. Great Video.
It's actually quite impressive that they could screw up a playable dragon. Which should be the coolest thing ever
@@la7era1u54 Because they are not dragons but more like lizard people.
I really loved Spellbreak, the battle royale that involved running around the map picking up various spells and raising their rank to increase your strength. Unfortunately, it wasn't popular, and was shut down. ActiBlizz picked up the Spellbreak team in 2022 and folded them into the WoW team, and I suspect a large part of those that made the transition worked on PS. So I'm glad that some of that SpellBreak magic gets to live on in Plunderstorm.
My first thought when it was revealed
Loved the very end bit. More of these, please
If they only made this f2p maybe it would have a more diluted player base that people not good in pvp would have more chance to win and also, might have created interest for someone that never seen wow.
BRs I'm afraid are just not for me. I found 10.2.6 disappointing personally and it was a slog to get to 40 renown and I will probably not touch it again now that I have. Towards the end it was just, get quest reward, find a new and innovative way to die, repeat. I acknowledge that that is just my opinion and there are a lot of PVPers who are excited for it and let's be honest, PVP in WoW has been on the backburner for a long time so I gotta give them this. Not my cup of tea though. Wish it wasn't considered a secret "patch" though. Completely unrelated to Dragonflight.
Bloodbowl, if they'd have done Bloodbowl. Oh lordy that'd be great!
I hate this plunder storm with a passion and it’s forcing me to play it to get cool new mounts and stuff pisses me off even more. Most I can stomach is doing the daily’s then logging out. At this rate I won’t hit 40 renown!
This was more of a "Warcraft" thing rather than a WoW patch. It would have been better if it was presented as a standalone game (like HotS and Hearthstone). The secrecy and the coyness of the devs and how they made us think it was going to be WoW content is probably the worst part of the reveal. I was disappointed because I was expecting some pirate themed exploration/lore (and potentially travel by boat!) in the game.
It's fine for what is is even though it's not something that interests me. I do HATE that they put so many cosmetics for WoW in it since it was basically done to drive up participation numbers. I haven't tried it yet because of this and I'm still deciding if I will. I'm glad some people are having fun with it.
Was it worth the hype and wait for me just to have it be this? Nope! Do I like PVP? Also nope! Am I doing it anyway? You bet your sweet pirate outfit I am. Just hit 20 in Duos and we made our own game out of getting 500 plunder, completing the quest, and denying our deaths to PVPrs by submitting our souls to the storm. We DID discover that if the duo runs into the storm, one dies right away, the other can heal and pick up the loot before their own death, giving them a little more plunder.
I tried Plunderstorm with avoiding PvP, but that requires the cooperation of others. My first game I got 16th, so it's absolutely possible, but my second game I got 59th because some dude was chasing me down at the very start of the match. I think it's a fine game, but it's not for me, and that's okay. (Luckily, I also don't particularly care about the rewards, and my response to FOMO is generally just to shrug and go "guess I won't get that then.")
That's fortnite in a nutshell
You can comfort yourself with the fact that they gimped themselves too
I wasn't able to get past the fact that you can't see anything related to the game (settings, standings, key bindings, etc.) without actually entering game...and immediately being dumped into the queue to start a battle. No lobby, no access to in-game information or settings from outside the queue (or the actual battle that you were completely unprepared for)...nothing.
That type of utter oversight for a completely new game mode (completely new game, in reality), and lack of realization that a decent sized fraction of your own gaming community (the community you are building games/content for) may not be familiar with Battle Royal style games is unforgivable.
I entered the game twice...the first time to realize that there was no lobby or any way to enter the game without being forced into a ridiculously short queue to start a battle, then get annoyed that the default key binds were nowhere near where I generally keep my fingers. The second time, to confirm my initial thoughts & assumptions, as I was SURE that it couldn't be THAT badly thought out before having this new game mode go live...but I was right with my initial thoughts.
After that, I refused (and still refuse) to even attempt to play Plunderstorm. A game launch that is handled THIS poorly doesn't deserve to be played. Especially with this being a limited-time event...they aren't going to bother actually fixing anything. It's likely just a marketing ploy to see what the interest in a WoW-themed Battle Royal game is. Which makes me want to attempt to play it even less. Every time a player launches into that poor excuse for a game launch, it supports Blizzard's delusion that they've done a good job. They haven't. Do better.
I wish something similar new and creative (for blizzard standards) would happen inside retail/dragonflight...