Don't be sad that it's over. Smile that it happened at all. The dice was rolled and what we got was the Vanilla game, it was as close as would be acceptable today, even laggy servers. However it came with a retail playerbase, streamers with their zoomer fans, a boomer pay to win mindset and addons for everything on day 1. The world has changed, the game has been solved, we all knew what to expect before it arrived, there was nothing new. Except the oldschool gameplay, something that has been forgotten about so much, from the RPG mechanics, insane grinds and forced socialisation, to some they are amazing good old days and others they are ancient relics of the past. But atleast we got to experience it one last time in an official setting, a moment that may never be recreated again by the WoW playerbase, 15 years after it all started.
I miss everyone whispering me for food AND water in the dungeons.. getting tips was so awesome.. I didn't play wow classic but I did play vanilla. I don't even currently play.. I just miss those days 😪 now I'm 31 and stuck with being disappointed at every game since 😞
Merry Christmas! Thank you for the gift of love you've shown me over the years. Trust me, this year I needed it!(I think we all did). Here's to putting this year behind us. and a happy and safe 2021 for everyone
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well, Mr MadSeasonShow. Your videos were a staple in this household during 2020. Everything from the new stuff to the "my personal story of wow" on your playlist. Expecting more of the same from you in 2021, but no pressure, good sir...
I started classic hoping i would be able to once again be part of a great guild that adds ppl to your afk friends list aswell as ingame. And i wasnt disapointed! Everyone i play with now is also 14ish years older than the friends i gained during vanilla. We are "old" but the atmosphere is as wholesome as it was last time. We even have the class clown, the moody raidleader and most other personalities represented again, even though almost none are the same ppl from back in the day. Classic has been all that i hoped it would be. One of my officer friends dressed up as santa for my kids yesterday. First time i see the guy IRL :).
The biggest thing I can say about Classic is that it reminded me why WoW is my favorite game of all time, after numerous mediocre/bad expacs, I had started to forget why I ever liked the game to begin with. Classic's game design, class design, community, zones and quests and dungeons and raids, the challenge of leveling the first time and getting your regular and epic mounts, your first purple, it all really revitalized WoW for me and made me remember why I've been playing it all these years.
@@stanisawgacki4236 I think class design certainly got a lot better in TBC and WoTLK, but Vanilla's class flavor, unique class quests, talent trees, stat distributions all are such a breath of fresh air and deep dive back into RPG mechanics after retail where everything was watered down and homogenized. As for game design, vanilla's emphasis on difficulty while leveling, community and group based content, consumables, buffs, unique mechanics like the hunter's dead zone or pet system, professions mattering a lot, all just examples of things where vanilla really shines. Sure the world buff meta is tedious and i'm glad it got toned down in TBC, but when was the last time you gave a crap about a buff in modern wow?
@@Wepospalient I kinda see your point, but to mention specifically vanilla as the best one seems bit naive for me. Many of things you mentioned got flashed out later. I wouldn't argue if you'd come up with class design of WotLK. But Vanilla had so much to improve upon. I care about every single buff I can get my hands on.
flame me for this if you like.. people claimed to want vanilla wow, and the community turned it into retail wow. the amount of macros, add ons, and WEAKAURAS used in wow classic grosses me out. it has became a parsing simulator.
Sadly people don’t seem to mind and not many UA-camrs speaking out about this issue!! For example I try to play the Original way and everyone in the game told me how to played etc etc! But I want to be clueless!
They claim to be better at the game than the people before them when the people before them didn't have 20 addons playing the game for them and every guide known to man on UA-cam.
I miss the weather and night being dark. would love too see storms and snow storms back in retail again. even if its just in bgs like arathia with snow.
what are you talking about i she night time all the time and rain i never seen snow but i am sure if a i tired i could find it but weather is over rated
@user unknown I think he's talking about actual night time. Night time in WoW, and even in vanilla, is just the sky turning dark blue basically. Not much else really changes lighting wise, not to mention, torches and light source items are just for show basically. Not to mention Darkshire, which is meant to be truly a dark place, is still plenty bright even with low gamma.
@@ionracas8743 It used to be a much darker blue and for weather storms for desert/jungle/forest/snow or even felwood made visibility much lower due to the rain being heavier and the Wind also came into effect, torches and bon fires were really just for looks, but it was cool too see them change the lighting a bit more than they do now. the only thing that bring back the old night time effect is a 1 hour buff Ink potion from DMFI.
I felt really lucky falling into a group of friends that I made this past year. I always said I made every social decision correctly. Recently, my friend transferred realms for unknown reasons and it tore me up inside. He was the first person I connected with and formed a bond in a long time. Seeing him leave made me really sad. We're still friends on discord and battle net but it's just not the same. I hope that he comes back for TBC.
Agreed...a lot more fun. The travel is harder, the questing is harder, etc etc etc....but going over to Shadowlands and my puppy could play WOW successfully by just spamming buttons randomly.
@@MeDuderify Obviously you dont do endgame content in Retail if you think Classic is hard lol. For me Classic was boring as fuck lol. I wasn't able to reach level Max since i was so bored of it
@@notguitar I started playing last week and am already max level on a mage, solo grinding most of it. Now working on a warrior. Classic WoW is a very spesific flavor.
It's been great watching your videos over the past year. I think you are the only streamer I can think of that plays the game in the original spirit as much as possible, and actually enjoys playing the game as much as I do. Thanks for making the content and hopefully I'll run into you on a no WB fresh server soon.
I'm looking at getting back into playing WoW and WoW Classic and I thought that I would watch your video about it. I got into WoW back in 2005 and enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the grind to lvel up and get the skills and gold that I needed to my Dwarf Hunter. This is what I really missed from the game.
I don’t know if maybe I lost my soul to classic but I have a very hard time listening to “classic is over” talk. This game has been such a big deal for me that thinking of it ending makes me cringe. Thinking back to the first few months makes me wanna weep with how much fun this was. It was scuffed sure but i loved it all the same.
I’ve got to experience things in classic that I couldn’t remember when I was 15 when I first started playing, and gaining new friends that have carried over to retail! I’ve lvl’d 4 60s in the past year in classic, which has been amazing especially being able to progress in each of the raids on my Shaman that I haven’t experienced in retail! Classic will always have a fan base even if/when TBC is announced
You dont have to be sad over it. TBC is gonna be a blast. TBC was but an extension to Vanilla. Many people say : "It was vanilla... but better". If they don't put TBC out, people will eventualy get bored of Classic and Classic would die. There's already way less players then when it started a year ago.
@DCA What do you mean? It happened as i said: The interest in classic waned completely... if TBC hadn't been out. lots of people would had cancelled their sub a year ago... TBC kept the interest and is thanks to its success that we getting WotLK classic this year... So please explain to me, how is that y comment aged like milk? :)
This seems so silly to say but at this moment, I can't really imagine my life not ever having WoW classic in it in some way. I love levelling, however tedious it can be to some. I enjoy doing the dungeons over and over again with my friends. WoW Classic was/is a great game to me and always will be. I have yet to find a game that can hook me like this. Thanks for the great video! Always a joy to watch
I know what you mean. Like Madseason I think I'll play Classic forever (hell, I think I could play nothing but Tauren warriors again and again and be happy!). I just hope they don't kill it by moving to BC. I really, really wish they had gone with Classic+...but that was always a pipe dream.
Never found a group that I clicked with or that didn’t break up. As a first time player I enjoyed the solo content and dungeons. Problem is after a certain point your experience depends on other people.
yep that was always the biggest draw backs of classic. though like i now if you got the right gear you could manage. classic gear sucked never made me feel like i was any stronger lol. whites felt like greens and purples are some time worse then a green lol. that is classic for you though never made any sense.
That’s too bad. I rerolled several times because I never felt that click with a group. On my 5th character and 3rd server I finally landed in a random group of people that I instantly vibes with and have spent 6 months talking in discord doing bgs and raiding together. I hope you can find those people for yourself :) good luck adventurer!
@@jimbotheimpaler4756 yeah no thank you i will pass lol. all that work just to play more of a game i am already paying for and taking time to level and gear in isn't what i call a good community or helpful i always remember those classic andies talking about how great the community is and how helpful they are not what i have noticed at all. though i am not saying retail is better just saying you can avoid all the drama with retail you kind of have no choice in classic.
@@userunknown1030 that "drama" and finding people you click with is the entire identity of an mmo. If you can't get along with ANY group of people you shouldn't even be playing an mmo. There's a ton of single-player RPGs in the world that give you virtual friends. If you want a real helpful community, find a private server with a LOW population. Low-pop vanilla private servers tend to have VERY friendly communities.
@@GuvernorDave Your statement is just generalizing few experiences that you had and you saw, now you are doing a general statement out of it. Most of the private servers, are not like you are trying to impose. They are closed communities. Some pleasant, most are not. Classic is a place for experienced people and any new player has a fcking hard time to catch on, even in leveling. If drama and loneliness {,,finding people as you said it,,} is what creates identity for you, you are playing the right game. In classic WoW you cannot avoid the drama and you cannot avoid being lonely during farming, grinding. Classic WoW is great game, but its actually for people that are bad at playing. Classic for people that are good in LIVING the game. If you want to just - have some fun with it - you probably gonna cry after a week. You have to loose part of your life to be able to enjoy Classic.
I was very happy leveling up. Im more into PvE, but once i started raiding, i was very disappointed. The raids were way too easy and simlpe, and i got bored so much that i began watching youtube while raiding. Then i just stopped. BWL was a very cool raid tho, thats the exception. Edit: AQ40 is the ugliest raid ive ever been in.
The people shitting on Classic difficulty are the same ones who barely ever clear anything than LFR and normal raids in retail. Classic is not difficult in the sense of mechanics, but rather having a core raid team of 40 people show up every single week, consume out of their asshole and grab all necessary buffs. The difficulty in Classic is the fact that it takes a huge amount of people to be as passionate about the game as yourself, show up and know what to do and actually consume. This wasn't the case for previous tier raids and a lot of people have been carried all the way through to Naxxramas, that is why you see guilds disbanding all over the place right now too. In retail the raid mechanics are harder (for heroic raids+), but you don't have to do anything else than just be there with 20 other people and know the tactics. That's about all the effort you have to put in. As long as you know the mechanics, you will clear the content. I'd love to see a retail andy try to grab 39 other people for a Naxx raid, attune to Naxx, have to farm enough consumables for their entire 40 man raid, grab world buffs, and know every single mechanic, e.g. making sure to have 8 fucking tanks and offtanks for a specific boss and actually having EVERYONE use consumables on a lot of fights and clear it in the first week. It won't happen, because retail andys are not gonna put in so much effort into clearing content because they're used to just leaving when things don't go well and just re-queueing because their actions have 0 consequence. That's the difference. Classic is difficult in a entirely different way.
Classic difficulty is preparation, which means playing the game outside of raid time, farming the world itself to make those consumes and battling others for those resources. It also means social organisation, lacking the easy mode tools of retail means guilds have to go the extra mile to recruit, retain and keep happy 40+ raiders every week, which only became more difficult the more raids were added, doing every raid is a big time commitment but is absolutely necessary in Classic due to linear raid progression and no easy catchup gear/modes. Unfortunately for many they instead take the retail mindset, just raid logging, buying boosts and buy gold from botters instead, causing the massive inflation of gold and bots started taking over the economy and murdering the levelling experience for those who didn't boost. I wish people respected the game more but seeing how ubiquitous boosting was it is clear you could never bring Vanilla WoW back, it's Boomercraft today with players spending plenty of real life money to throw at botters/boosters to make the game easy instead of playing the damn game.
Great to see you still remember even the small things like fighting through Stonewatch Keep in Redridge. That's what classic is all about. Hope to see you again in Outland. Keep doing what you do!
Loved every minute of classic. Tried retail for a minute but after two weeks of the maw and world quests, I came back for naxx and I’m already leveling another alt. Best mmo ever.
Complains of the maw and WQ yet has no problem leveling an alt in classic which is infinitely longer and more annoying. Unless you are spamming dungeons with mages.
@Thiago Silva maw isnt optional it increases player power via enchants/gems. world quests increase your renown. torghast is how you get legendaries. snoozefest.
@Thiago Silva I dont hate shadowlands and I agree torghast is just too easy now. It used to be fun before the nerf, now its just as boring as islands spam. Mages could kill the final layer8 boss in like 1 second pre nerf. Now we kill it in 0.5 sec
So I started with classic when I decided like a year ago to play wow .... and I bought shadow lands for Christmas and .... it feels very wrong I feel to op versus mobs and I can very easily pull 4 mobs at a time even at lvl 3/4 ... the items are at time useless and I played for a whole day without any item on and It was almost no difference ( I'm lvl 20 so IDK if it will switch later on ) the talent tree is gone :( the trainers have no point since you learn skills at lvl up and it makes no sense ,things like leather-working or skinning feel useless and don't really give me any reason to actually do them ( for now ) .... yes classic is at times unforgiving but it's so rewarding ... I shit you not I spent 3 hours in stormwind making guns and bullets for like 7 hunters and I had a blast
I don't know why they trivialize the 1-50 game so much. People end up at level cap barely knowing how to play. I would think they'd want it to be challenging so they can sell level boosts anyway
Watching again a year later, being new to WoW for classic launch was incredible. Some of the best memories, this game is something special… way ahead of it’s time
Some communities are better than others. I play on the RP servers, which are much more friendly (less of a rat race). You have to let the rat racers/streamers rush through all the content, max out, and finally bleed off of the servers before the community can be re-established. I can't wait for TBC realms to come out so that the Vanilla realms can heal.
@@madrox1989 Yeah, you hit the spot. The way most people played to reach 60 asap and the crunched intervals between patches meant a casual trying classic had no chance. I quit phase 2, heard I dodged a real f fest. I got a month's worth of nostalgia. Would like to go back and try again if they make fresh servers.
@@flaviuscarp My enjoyment plummeted right around Phase 2 as well. Questing in parties, doing the outdoor dungeons (like the undead area in Teldrassil), struggling through instanced dungeons, or even just goofing around is quite enjoyable especially with random friendly people. Leveling, and tackling things traditionally/practically is the experience I wanted out of Classic. I could only imagine the experience must be the worst on the PVP realms lol. An army of engineers dualwielding thunderfurys, yikes!
@Rosa Barks That a lot of people subscriped to WoW, which most likely wouldn't have subscriped otherwise. Given, it is not a success for me, but for me, unlike Fun or Nostalgia, but it was a success for the company.
Classic has been one of the greatest gaming experiences of my life. From getting to compete in dueling tournaments, getting to experience what ranking is like to raiding with the boys to even meeting some of the guild IRL at Blizzcon. These are some memories I'll cherish for a very long time. Big thanks to you, Esfand, and the rest of the Crusade boys for making my time in classic more than amazing
@@van.deaux.1694 well i don't now i always here the loves story where people have meet there wives or current girlfriend on wow so i mean it isn't that odd really. i am sure it happened back in vanilla to just not to many people where spamming about the game like they are now.
Men seeking women has always happened, and I get tired when that behavior is labeled as bad or creepy . That said, when you do it in such a nerdy, cringy way as this, it's no wonder you are single. No woman is impressed by your spreadsheet abilities. :)
@@JimmyMon666 I agree with you, but the spreadsheet was extremely creepy and seemed like borderline stalking, if not just straight up stalking. I don’t think it’s should just be described as nerdy and cringe, it’s much worse.
As someone who is relatively new to WoW(only been playing since march ) its always dope seeing og players talk about the state of the game. I watched WoW grow around me through my teens and now being a part of something this big is amazing, but hearing the og's talk about classic makes me know how much ive missed out on by not diving in back in the day. looking forward to the next video dude.
Some people are just like that as their base nature no matter if their day is good or bad. They just have phsical and mental need to be that way. They need serious mental health support but thats how for rest of us to deal with. Just block/mute/delete try to move on. Sometimes yes its headache but even in real life you just need to look around you for few mins and sorrounded by unstable people. I tend to keep to myself in WoW for most part bec since playing from 2007 untill now I've seen alot of maniacs around me. And alot of fun stuff too. I guess Its also perspective thing on how each of us deals with adversity. I'm 30 now and alot wiser than when I was 11 years old playing Wacraft 3 on Battle.net but I still have much to learn in life. But least now I know to spot toxic people alot quicker and to be rid of them. if anyone made it this far down to my comment then thanks for reading/listening :D
I leveled a Rogue to endgame, something I had never done before. Was very fun. Made Field Marshall in Vanilla and ran out of time for GM as i helped a gnome rogue friend make GM that last week. Vanilla and Classic are like that, community was so much more of the game than it is now. Sad to watch this now knowing you will leave WoW in less than a year. Such good content.
Great video, thanks. I love Classic and, given that it remains available, I will always play it. For me, Classic is the closest version that there is to Vanilla, which was the greatest video game ever made. If Bliz release fresh servers, then there are some changes which I would like: Disable all world buffs in raid instances, fix all 'smart' kiting paths and hiding spots in instances (or similar) to end the boosting culture, and increase raid boss damage a bit.
I started playing classic recently and its bringing back so many fun memories about leveling and raiding in vanilla wow. I had to quit the game in 08 because I went back to school, so its like another chance to experience WOTLK. I'm having a blast experiencing the game again, 15 years later!
Even if it wasn't as great as we remembered. It still brought happiness to thousands of people to even get a chance to experience a sliver of what we once knew.
not a sliver.. it was actually as close of an experience as it could get. U can't come any closer tbh. blizzard for once did a way better job than it was expected. The community however, didn't.
@@magistermittens124 they couldn't do more to make classic a better experience. Most of the experience is ruined by the community anyway. Blizzard had such a little part to play.. they basically released a ready-old game and the community had to decide how to approach it. And they did.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I loved my time playing classic! I wish they would reset the servers every couple of years and I would be down for another 1-60 grind!
I've played WoW classic since September'2019. It was my first wow experience. Game was new to me, so i just tried different classes, different builds, both fractions, PvP, quests and stuff. Unfortunately i have no success in raids, just because i didn't know what to do, which way i should go and how to make a progress. I was just interested in different classes mechanics, exploring and getting better. In less than a year time period my realm became empty and i not even tried to kill Onyxia, never had a chance because of the dead realm. Only a couple times on Zul Gurub as a combat rogue gave me some feeling of mmo spirit. About a month ago I've created a new character for horde on a high pop realm and I'm still like to play the game with my friends, even when i understand that train is gone i always find something to do and enjoy my quarantine time. Thanks to you Madseason for your videos, good luck on TBC.
Launch was fantastic and the leveling experience was a blast (warrior at launch, so I had the worst experience). I thoroughly enjoyed raiding, I joined a Guild that wasn't too serious but still challenged the top spot on my realm (we had the fastest cleared BWL time on our server at launch). I enjoyed raiding up until BWL, when the age of the game really started to show. I quit playing entirely not long after BWL, but I feel I got my full worth out of the game up until that point. I was one of the first to hit 60 on my server, one of the first Blacksmiths to complete their Armoursmithing quest lines, one of the first to complete Molten Core and I fought in Hillsbrad when World Pvp first released. I tanked dungeons and raids, I saved our Guild more times than I can count from wiping on Ragnaros and Netharion (might have made a typo) and I loved every second of tanking. I was reliable and thorough in my job, and if I might toot my own horn I was a bloody great tank on my server. I achieved what I set out to achieve on a game that I played when I was a child (I played vanilla, after the Gates had opened but before TBC launched) and I had so much fun. I really hope the next step is Classic TBC, as TBC was when I was old enough to really flourish at PC Games independently, and I have so many beautiful memories. I hope everyone has a lovely Christmas, and I hope you all have a wonderful new year. Fingers crossed we're done away with this Corona Virus by early next year.
I leveled a warrior and it was the most fun I had despite the roadblocks I came across. I levelled a warrior alone before so I knew what to expect.. and avoided it. We started as a group of 5 totally random guys, lost our priest around lvl 20. Managed to find a permanent replacement soon after. Well, that is until lvl 45 when we lost our shaman because he didn't like Classic all that much and our group kinda crumbled at that time because people's time off was running out and we had to return to our actual lives. Three of us still kept tight and reached 60 around the same time. We got out pre-bis together but went our seperate ways when it came to guilds and raiding. I never really cared about raiding in WoW but was spoken into becoming a class leader and, well, that was absolutely not fun. First month or two was okay when it came to raiding - we killed Rag week 3, but soon I started fearing logging on and having to deal with these people. Harder and harder rules were being implemennted (must have all pre-bis, most of the buffs, these WBs, all enchants, etc) which I didn't agree with and had to be the one to enforce for 20 warriors. Tried looking for another guild to go but it seems like I have stumbled upon the hardcore server (Progress was on our realm). One day I just said bye and never logged back in again. This was before BWL came out. At it's best it was the most fun I've ever had, at it's worst it felt like a soul-crushing job.
I think a good amount of people quit near that BWL and rocky phase 2 launch with the pvp system/no battlegrounds. For me I love bwl and AQ is that "meh" raid for me. Not sure why...maybe I'm just traumatized from all of the "bug" levels from oldschool nes/snes games. Merry Christmas to you as well!
@@madseasonshow AQ was a slog and I think ended up being a major contributor to me stepping away from the game once KT was killed. Something about the fights and duration of the raid felt gross in addition to the "mechanics" at times felt very unfun to deal with. Once we got to a point of doing AQ, BWL, and MC binding runs in a single night much of the fun was sucked out. I could tell that AQ had an adverse effect on a lot of the raiders as well and people were noticably more irate than usual as opposed to the fun fast clearing of BWL or the meme-filled stupor of MC. BWL is still by far my favourite raid and I truly believe I could raid that all the time and never get bored.
I have to thanks you Mad. When classic released, I didn't play because I wasn't attracted but one day I discovered your channel and I have watch all videos about classic and I finally played it. But even with your videos I was lost most of the time and I think I really experienced the classic experience and I loved it. Thank you, playing classic was one of my best experience in mmo. I'm french but your video are so easily understandable and useful. Merry Christmas and I hope you the best for 2021
Your videos have been a joy. I saw your vids for the first time in the build up to classic and they helped stir up all the great memories I had from classic wow.
Same here, never played wow before classic launched last year and it was legit the MOST fun I can remember playing with my friends. I’m 25, so most fun in about 10 years.
I didn't even play Classic as I still enjoy Retail a lot but I loved hearing what was going on and hearing news about the happenings in Classic from yours as well as other channels!
Thank you for your comments and love of the game. I probably started playing it 2-3 years after it came out. It would be wonderful to have had the experiences you have had but I have had two very bad contacts with Guilds and have played PvE ever since. Alliance, human fury warrior Uther. Keep up the good work and you have had good luck Best wishes.
@@velho6298 its seems they where right though it is kind of funny it all worked out like i thought it would people would be stock for the first few months and they where after that it would tick down to only a few servers with just retail rejects lol. and i was right lol. accept for the retail rejects most of those people don't like the game because it is to slow. i guess fast pace is king lol.
When i was a kid i didn't have money or a pc to play wow, later i could but i had so many responsibilities that playing wow wasn't an option. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you madseason cause even though i never played wow your videos and some from other creators have kept the desire to play wow alive through all these years. Now i have finally started playing
I'd say mixed success. Great start, good community at first but then modern players acted like modern players, min/maxing the fun out of it. Boosting, world buffs, no one questing, no one wanting to group up, I felt more alone than I did on retail.
If EverQuest's "Classic Progression Servers" provide any evidence, then Blizzard will periodically release "Fresh Classic Servers" and millions of people will come flooding back every time to - not to mention the mostly-inevitable TBC and/or WOTLK servers which will also bring millions back.
@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES totally, yes lol. That said, if they do get as far as WoD then they’ll have to bring back WoW Tokens to a “Classic” era of the game, and that can only be hilarious, if only to see how the heck they figure out how to do it! Also, strangely, WoD does hold a special place for me because it’s the first time I joined a regular raiding team...HFC was a good, fun Raid.
@@baldie80 the content was good in dreanor it was just tainted with the bad anti social crap since cata and garrison. And lack of content. Sadly WOD could have been so much more
Great content, man. You're my favorite WoW personality by far. Really appreciate your level-headedness. Enjoy "the end" game as we (maybe) prepare for TBC!
Their current customer service has been terrible. I've spoken to GM's about 10 times during classic and had ONE positive experience. The other times were all just copy pasted broken English or messages that show they didnt even read my message. Friend was told to turn Warmode off when he was complaining about exploits in classic. They dont care, The report system just works by people mass reporting.
@@TheodoreBotman You've spoken 10 times to GM in a year, it's like almost once every month, so imagine every single person in the world who play the game "talks" to them that frequnently, ofc they don't have time to do anything...i guess you are the reason so many people can't even contact them once with a single real problem they have....lol
Nice video dude. I'm just now getting back into WoW after 10 years for TBC, so I have been consuming a ton of content to get myself back in. Youre my favorite non-lore content creator.
So many ups and downs trying to find a guild that works for "me" and doesn't break up. off and on guild drama over loot, personalities that dont click, poor leadership. I went through a handful of prominent guilds on Deviant Delight. The guild im in is doing good now but a part of the MMORPG process is change, I'm sure something will happen and we'll evolve again. I was fortunate enough to meet a core team of 5 or so that i've stuck with for over a year now. As someone who played back in pre-BC, I can honestly say, so much of WoW Classic really has captured the original. Its such a broad, fun topic to nerd out over. Cheers to my fellow Neck-Beards!
I would actually enjoy going fresh classic with raids being tougher and after then having naxx for a while like we do now get a TBC release. Classic went by so fast with guilds clearing raids TOO QUICK
@@hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 They didn't made easy, im playing since 2004 vanilla, and everything is on point as i remember, the difference why people saying it was super hard because nobody had any addons, and any clue how stuff works in wow as mmorpg was something new back than, lots of people was grinding instead of doing quests since in other mmorpgs you had to grind also like in lineage 2, runescape, everyone was fresh in game without any experience, for most people was they're first mmorpg game, so private servers only increased difficulty a lot since everybody forgot about classic wow difficulty and because on newest expansions was so easy to do leveling most people start saying how it was hard back in the days, but actually it wasn't, its actually similar, raids in current wow is much harder compared to classic, because we now used to level so quick currently, we forgot that leveling back then was quite easy also, because lots of people was grinding mobs like in other mmos who taken even more time.
@@Krahamus I also played since the beginning and have played on private servers ever since BC was released. Classic is way easier than Vanilla. They fucked it.
@@hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 when bc was released all private servers was bugged as hell, it took years to make good servers, and only few where true to retail, as that said blizzard have all data for old wow, drops, health, and list goes on, private servers had to guess only what was like to play old wow, and they made it to difficult by all these guessing.
MadSeason ... how nice to see your videos again after a year or so of not playing WoW. I got lost in the narrative and lost energy to continue with WoW sometime in the fall of 2018. Each month I would think I'm almost ready to dive back in, but honestly the story lines have lost me, I think. I won Invincible as a mount not long before I quit playing so I need to get back in there to enjoy my prize, but I'm finding difficulty finding the resolve to deal with all the STUFF. Maybe I can just free-roam a while. Ah, anyhow thanks for the video.
@@2Eliishere for some reason we have a very easy time with him. Lose maybe 2-3 people from stupidity but kill him super easy. Ouru, Visc were a little frustrating where we still had issues, and pretty much no good loot ever. We're pretty casual though (6hours per week raid time max)
but classic was never a hard game...Only a time-sink of a game. it was all about how much time can u spend inside the game. Just look at the pvp system. Probably the worst pvp system in the entire gaming industry.. lmao That rank 14 GRIND doesn't even worth my spit.
@@2Eliishere no u can't. Check out GW2.. not ridiculus time/gold sinks without purpose. Look at FFXIV, Retail wow.. MUCH MUCH better. The older the game is, the grindier it is... The Systems are just bad...
I enjoyed leveling up and doing the pvp grind again. Got Rank 13 on my warrior way back then and 13 this time as well. Felt like a bigger accomplishment this time being over the age of 40 and going solo. The PVE? Meh, I never came back cause I wanted to clear Naxx. But did I want to get a BRE and smash faces in AB again with 3 procs up on the sword? Heck yeah! Success in my book!
I really enjoyed my time with Classic, even though it didn't last beyond BWL. I loved watching your progress with Rank 14 (opening sequences included!) and seeing the content you've put out this year. In my mind, it was a success and though my time with the MMO is likely passed, I can't wait to see where you and others take the journey to. Cheers!
My only complaint was blizzard not investing in the game. No GM interaction. Bots allowed for days on end. Gold sellers obviously practicing their trade with no concern of being caught. Great summary, happy new year.
I consider it a success just for the fact that alone that it brought me back to WoW in general. I started Classic in September of 2019, and slowly migrated to becoming a full Retail Randy by late December last year.
I was excited for classic and had fun playing up to level cap. I even managed to get my dad back on for one more romp through WoW with our original characters and their names. It just felt very different, having 16 years of experience playing WoW and knowing everything about classic really did change how it played. Even though I did have fun, once I accomplished all of my goals I just went back to retail. Losing all of the quality of life improvements and class changes from all the years did really gnaw on me at the end of the day.
The best way to explain my Classic experience is this: I was sure I’d quit after a few months & hitting 60. (I did but came back) But here I am a year & a half later trying to clear Naxx with my guild, and loving every moment of it!!
Thank you for all of the Classic content over the last couple of years. Your perspective has always been refreshing and cautiously optimistic. Happy New Year, good sir. Looking forward to TBC
I just love watching your videos about classic. I’m a Retail player and because I never played Classic I don’t think I would get used to it. So it’s nice watching you talk about it.
This just makes me depressed... seeing how much the game has changed (for the worse). I really wish Blizz could see just how much they have butchered their product.
Classic is still great. There major problem is retail. I can never go back. Shadowlands is awful. Ever since WOD the never will never be the same. Classic is a heaven send
@@preds43 anti social and fast lvling . Half the game being in a queue. Broken covenants. Broken RNG gearing. Half assed story and questing. Wow has sucked since WOD no debate
Mission tables. All mellee classes feel the same all caster classes feel the same. Nothing unique anymore. Toxic community. Ruined ass story. Story acts like your the only important person in the world where millions play the game and everyone is treated the same way so it breaks the emersion of the game. Most of the game can be played solo. Retail is a joke
I really wanted to enjoy classic, I find I enjoy it way more than retail, but after I fell into a toxic group it really threw a wet towel on the whole experience. Now classic is basically over, I am really bummed I missed out. I just could not find the right people for me and life kept getting in the way. Maybe I will do better in BC, maybe it is time to hang up my cloak and pointy hat and call it quits for good. Thanks Mad for always putting out the awesome content, hope you have an awesome 2021.
Yes and no. I think No changes helped and hurt them. In terms of player journey they nailed it! The problem was they didn't alter tuning so early raids where way to easy because we where facing them with 1.12 class buffs and nerfs
Nothing would make MC hard it's just an easy raid. Dungeon gear being so good in later patches is probably the biggest difference. Warriors can be in full blue gear up to like AQ40.
@Andrew Stevenson Maybe because LFR isn't the end-game content, but MC was? LFR is tourist mode made for people to simply see the content if they have no time or means to do so otherwise. The real content is Mythic Raiding. Good luck thinking bypassing tedious levelling means you now are qualified to clear that. Then again, you classic Andies would probably even fail at LFR to begin with.
@Andrew Stevenson Literally who cares about 'welfare' legendaries. Legendaries have always been a dumb part of the game. You can see it in Classic. Do you really give a shit about seeing some dude pass by with a HoR or TF these days? It only felt great back when the entire game felt like a great unknown. That's the problem with you classic Andies. You care way too much about the color pixels of items rather than what the item represents: a way to enhance gameplay. All your points are utterly pathetic. Even Normal mode retail is far far more difficult than anything Classic has to offer. And that is coming from someone who barely even plays retail anymore. There is a massive truckload of content in Retail, yet you think raiding is all there is to do LOL. There's Mythic +, dozens of dungeons, solo content coming out the wazoo, Torghast, dailies, weeklies, world quests, sanctum building, pets, a massive range of battlegrounds, Arenas, flavor content such as transmogs and mount/pet collections. To actually think that Classic is better than retail when it comes to that, when all people do is get world buffs and raidlog is uttterly delusional. There's absolutely nothing to do in Classic. You need to get a grip and stop masturbating over the Classic pixels. Scarcity equals value in Classic, that is all. The only reason we remember items is because there were barely any of them. Again, the only thing classic Andies care about is the 'value' of items rather than the challenging and interesting gameplay. Probably cause you were too bad at the game to be able to actually do anything above LFR difficulty. There are a shitload of raids worth remembering. Just because YOU don't know them (as you were too bad to progress in them) doesn't mean they don't exist. MC was just one of the first ones, but if that's your idea of an epic raid, then I guess there's not really much left to say. Go do your one-button rotations and pleasure yourself in SW/ORG whispering "retail bad". Comfort yourself in the fact you'll never be good enough, but at least the item that dropped from a 15 year old version of the game had value.
@Derp Inshmurtz Who said they are a dumb part of mmos? Why are you misrepresenting my quote and putting it quotation marks? That's not at all what I said, so no clue why you're attributing those words to me if not to purposely take my words out of context. And then there's no point to discuss anymore because the goal isn't a discussion, but to "gotcha" me. The implementation of legendaries has always been bad in WoW. That's my point. There's no achievement in RNG, I'm sorry. Getting 2x 2% droprate items isn't a testament to your skill, it's simple RNG. Being the one chosen to get the item is the only part where you have influence, and that has 0 to do with the game and everything with the social fabric of guilds. Again, that's the very point I'm making. Classic Andies (not saying you are one) are obsessed with the purple pixels and how much value that item supposedly has rather than the gameplay of the GAME itself. They don't care that the vast majority of content is dogshit and poses no difficulty. That's a fine way to play, but to act as if that's objectively superior to complexity and challenge is disingenuous.
It really was a great experience playing Classic. Although I left on the release of Phase 5 (got bored with raiding and the game generally), I can recall so much fun memories and can tell for sure it was a huge success. And, as always, thanks to Madseason for bringing us cool content. Love your videos. Peace
I'm glad classic exists such that if I get tired of current I can always hop over to classic. Modern is superior to classic in many infinite ways, but classic does have the social aspect down to a science. You need friends and guild to get anywhere remotely powerful in classic.
Agree, I'm happy they are not separate and as we pay subscription we can enjoy the game however we want. To me classic is bad but only cause of the community, but I'm looking forward to Burning Crusade
For me, Classic is a nice back up in case I ever get burned out on Retail. I mostly just use it for relaxing fishing or something. However Shadowlands has caused a huge increase in my guild size now (we were a solid 10-man casual raiding to now constantly maxing the 30-man limit and are facing the prospect of making 2 raids for the first time). I have no idea where this influx came from. Maybe it was just classic players finishing Classic.
Everytime I watch a Madseason video, my love for this 16 year old game is renewed and I'm suddenly once again sat in front of a CRT with the boys arguing over who pulled the extra mob. Thanks dude, as always keep up the good shit, and all the best for the new year and the future of Classic!
Honestly, switching to an RP server in current was the best decision I ever made. Through the use of LFG chat as a serverwide channel that not everyone is aware of, the whole aspect of people making a name for themselves, be that good or bad, is there. This year, I received a Christmas letter and a gift from someone I’ve met a few times in LFG that I don’t even talk to that frequently and it made me feel really good.
I don't play WoW but your videos are great for the MMO experience in general, the way you talk about it reminds me of my first proper MMORPG expierences, and the knowledge you impart is very digestible and interesting for non WoW players. Plus you've got a cool monotone voice
Ended my career a few days ago. We got our KT kill. But, honestly, since AQ opening it wasn't really fun anymore. I felt like i was too deep inside already to quit before Naxx. By this moment I sold everything that was on my bank if we keep our characters for TBC. Speedrun raiding was quite some fun but really after all with the min max meta it was mindnumbening. Getting WBs to complain about the content to be cleared so quick. I dont expect TBC to be hard either but i enjoyed the pvp way more. Looking forward to some kind-of casual pvp with TBC. Not sure about raiding every ID again. I dont think the time investment equals the joy it brings.
Yeah never really cared for the min max meta myself. Luckily I found a raid team that promotes it, but doesn't require it. I feel like I got really lucky with my guild/raid actually. Sorry that it didn't work out for you, but here's looking forward to BC!
Somehow I like stuff about Classic/Vanilla coming from fellow WoW players in their thirties the most. I always feel so disconnected when, for example, someone in their video goes like: "Back in 2005, when I was 7 years old..." These younger people must have had a completely different experience than I had back in 2005 when I was 19. Same probably goes for older people, but I very rarely come across those for some sarcastically mysterious reason. Also, those sweet '90s references coming from the now-thirty-something-year-olds just make me happy.
Although he quit WoW I still enjoy all of MadSeason's content. Well presented, well edited and always entertaining.
me 2 I am rewatching his content now
Same I always come back ❤❤❤
I watch his videos as podcasts before I sleep :)
Don't be sad that it's over. Smile that it happened at all. The dice was rolled and what we got was the Vanilla game, it was as close as would be acceptable today, even laggy servers. However it came with a retail playerbase, streamers with their zoomer fans, a boomer pay to win mindset and addons for everything on day 1. The world has changed, the game has been solved, we all knew what to expect before it arrived, there was nothing new. Except the oldschool gameplay, something that has been forgotten about so much, from the RPG mechanics, insane grinds and forced socialisation, to some they are amazing good old days and others they are ancient relics of the past. But atleast we got to experience it one last time in an official setting, a moment that may never be recreated again by the WoW playerbase, 15 years after it all started.
Well put.
this is 100% correct, to continue would be throwing your money and time away from nothing new
@Monkey Smell your gay
@Monkey Smell no im Ray, Sun Ray.
I miss everyone whispering me for food AND water in the dungeons.. getting tips was so awesome.. I didn't play wow classic but I did play vanilla. I don't even currently play.. I just miss those days 😪 now I'm 31 and stuck with being disappointed at every game since 😞
Merry Christmas! Thank you for the gift of love you've shown me over the years. Trust me, this year I needed it!(I think we all did). Here's to putting this year behind us. and a happy and safe 2021 for everyone
MadSeasonShow thanks for all the laughs this year mate 🙌👊
Love your videos man, awesome content, and classsic was fun as hell
Thnaks for all the great content you put out there for the community to enjoy. Cheers to a better next year!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well, Mr MadSeasonShow. Your videos were a staple in this household during 2020. Everything from the new stuff to the "my personal story of wow" on your playlist. Expecting more of the same from you in 2021, but no pressure, good sir...
Merry Christmas indeed! :D
I started classic hoping i would be able to once again be part of a great guild that adds ppl to your afk friends list aswell as ingame. And i wasnt disapointed! Everyone i play with now is also 14ish years older than the friends i gained during vanilla. We are "old" but the atmosphere is as wholesome as it was last time. We even have the class clown, the moody raidleader and most other personalities represented again, even though almost none are the same ppl from back in the day. Classic has been all that i hoped it would be. One of my officer friends dressed up as santa for my kids yesterday. First time i see the guy IRL :).
That’s awesome man
That’s incredible
How sweet
The biggest thing I can say about Classic is that it reminded me why WoW is my favorite game of all time, after numerous mediocre/bad expacs, I had started to forget why I ever liked the game to begin with. Classic's game design, class design, community, zones and quests and dungeons and raids, the challenge of leveling the first time and getting your regular and epic mounts, your first purple, it all really revitalized WoW for me and made me remember why I've been playing it all these years.
>classic game design, class design
this made you think wow is your fav game? lol
@@stanisawgacki4236 I prefer Class/Game design by miles to Retail.
@@stanisawgacki4236 I think class design certainly got a lot better in TBC and WoTLK, but Vanilla's class flavor, unique class quests, talent trees, stat distributions all are such a breath of fresh air and deep dive back into RPG mechanics after retail where everything was watered down and homogenized. As for game design, vanilla's emphasis on difficulty while leveling, community and group based content, consumables, buffs, unique mechanics like the hunter's dead zone or pet system, professions mattering a lot, all just examples of things where vanilla really shines. Sure the world buff meta is tedious and i'm glad it got toned down in TBC, but when was the last time you gave a crap about a buff in modern wow?
@@TheodoreBotman how is pressing one button for rotation any better than retail
@@Wepospalient I kinda see your point, but to mention specifically vanilla as the best one seems bit naive for me. Many of things you mentioned got flashed out later. I wouldn't argue if you'd come up with class design of WotLK. But Vanilla had so much to improve upon.
I care about every single buff I can get my hands on.
Anyone notice how their tank is called "Teq" and the clip at 23:14 shows a lvl 1 warrior called "Teq".... was it destiny?
:D
And he loves Toyota's
That's actually crazy how you noticed that lol. Fair play.
I definitely feel like it was a success. So many experiences and great times people will remember for years to come.
We didn't need Classic for that, people actually played Vanilla, and are remembering it fondly for years to come.
@@Lupinemancer87 and what about the people who never had the chance back then? Just fuck them right....
@@markmitchell153 Honestly it would be really interesting to find out how many people that play classic played vanilla and how many are new people.
Yup, memories that will never fade away ^_^
@@PetrSojnek huge majority did play on vanilla, it was small percent were "new"
flame me for this if you like.. people claimed to want vanilla wow, and the community turned it into retail wow. the amount of macros, add ons, and WEAKAURAS used in wow classic grosses me out. it has became a parsing simulator.
Sadly people don’t seem to mind and not many UA-camrs speaking out about this issue!!
For example I try to play the Original way and everyone in the game told me how to played etc etc!
But I want to be clueless!
They claim to be better at the game than the people before them when the people before them didn't have 20 addons playing the game for them and every guide known to man on UA-cam.
Did he just "what the hell" to a shaman chain lightening crit after he showed his own Whirlwind 6k crit montage?
totally not on purpose to make a little bit fun of the hypocrisy in the classic community
He's going bald.
damn right
paladins.
Warrior whirlwind combo every 15min, shaman chain lightning is every fking 3sec or something
8:00 God I feel old for remembering that.
I miss the weather and night being dark. would love too see storms and snow storms back in retail again. even if its just in bgs like arathia with snow.
what are you talking about i she night time all the time and rain i never seen snow but i am sure if a i tired i could find it but weather is over rated
@@userunknown1030 "weather is overrated" now thats a solid quote
@user unknown
I think he's talking about actual night time. Night time in WoW, and even in vanilla, is just the sky turning dark blue basically. Not much else really changes lighting wise, not to mention, torches and light source items are just for show basically.
Not to mention Darkshire, which is meant to be truly a dark place, is still plenty bright even with low gamma.
@@ionracas8743 It used to be a much darker blue and for weather storms for desert/jungle/forest/snow or even felwood made visibility much lower due to the rain being heavier and the Wind also came into effect, torches and bon fires were really just for looks, but it was cool too see them change the lighting a bit more than they do now. the only thing that bring back the old night time effect is a 1 hour buff Ink potion from DMFI.
@@2_protects_the_1 i love the weather sounds and weather changing in classic it makes it so much more immersive
I felt really lucky falling into a group of friends that I made this past year. I always said I made every social decision correctly. Recently, my friend transferred realms for unknown reasons and it tore me up inside. He was the first person I connected with and formed a bond in a long time. Seeing him leave made me really sad. We're still friends on discord and battle net but it's just not the same. I hope that he comes back for TBC.
Classic was honestly more fun than I even anticipated
Agreed...a lot more fun. The travel is harder, the questing is harder, etc etc etc....but going over to Shadowlands and my puppy could play WOW successfully by just spamming buttons randomly.
@@MeDuderify Obviously you dont do endgame content in Retail if you think Classic is hard lol.
For me Classic was boring as fuck lol. I wasn't able to reach level Max since i was so bored of it
@@LeCaptRage Just wondering did you level with friends? When did you start playing?
@@notguitar I started playing last week and am already max level on a mage, solo grinding most of it. Now working on a warrior. Classic WoW is a very spesific flavor.
So much fun over the last 15 months for sure.
It's been great watching your videos over the past year. I think you are the only streamer I can think of that plays the game in the original spirit as much as possible, and actually enjoys playing the game as much as I do. Thanks for making the content and hopefully I'll run into you on a no WB fresh server soon.
“I blinked” aka grinded r14 and zoned out months on end lol
I'm looking at getting back into playing WoW and WoW Classic and I thought that I would watch your video about it. I got into WoW back in 2005 and enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the grind to lvel up and get the skills and gold that I needed to my Dwarf Hunter. This is what I really missed from the game.
I don’t know if maybe I lost my soul to classic but I have a very hard time listening to “classic is over” talk. This game has been such a big deal for me that thinking of it ending makes me cringe. Thinking back to the first few months makes me wanna weep with how much fun this was. It was scuffed sure but i loved it all the same.
I’ve got to experience things in classic that I couldn’t remember when I was 15 when I first started playing, and gaining new friends that have carried over to retail!
I’ve lvl’d 4 60s in the past year in classic, which has been amazing especially being able to progress in each of the raids on my Shaman that I haven’t experienced in retail! Classic will always have a fan base even if/when TBC is announced
You dont have to be sad over it. TBC is gonna be a blast. TBC was but an extension to Vanilla. Many people say : "It was vanilla... but better".
If they don't put TBC out, people will eventualy get bored of Classic and Classic would die. There's already way less players then when it started a year ago.
You arnt using "cringe" correctly.
@DCA What do you mean? It happened as i said: The interest in classic waned completely... if TBC hadn't been out. lots of people would had cancelled their sub a year ago... TBC kept the interest and is thanks to its success that we getting WotLK classic this year...
So please explain to me, how is that y comment aged like milk? :)
This seems so silly to say but at this moment, I can't really imagine my life not ever having WoW classic in it in some way. I love levelling, however tedious it can be to some. I enjoy doing the dungeons over and over again with my friends.
WoW Classic was/is a great game to me and always will be. I have yet to find a game that can hook me like this.
Thanks for the great video! Always a joy to watch
::clears throat::
"He he hello m'lady"
*tips fedora*
I know what you mean. Like Madseason I think I'll play Classic forever (hell, I think I could play nothing but Tauren warriors again and again and be happy!). I just hope they don't kill it by moving to BC.
I really, really wish they had gone with Classic+...but that was always a pipe dream.
@@krausewitz6786 TAUREN GAAANG :D and yeah, classic+ would have been so good. I'd enjoy that so much
Tiny Elly
@Derp Inshmurtz he's quite clearly being ironic
I dropped everything to watch this immediately. Love you, monotone god
Thanks for watching!
I also spammed click this on my phone as I was dropping a dice, gratci
Same. Alive god.
Never found a group that I clicked with or that didn’t break up. As a first time player I enjoyed the solo content and dungeons. Problem is after a certain point your experience depends on other people.
yep that was always the biggest draw backs of classic. though like i now if you got the right gear you could manage. classic gear sucked never made me feel like i was any stronger lol. whites felt like greens and purples are some time worse then a green lol. that is classic for you though never made any sense.
That’s too bad. I rerolled several times because I never felt that click with a group. On my 5th character and 3rd server I finally landed in a random group of people that I instantly vibes with and have spent 6 months talking in discord doing bgs and raiding together. I hope you can find those people for yourself :) good luck adventurer!
@@jimbotheimpaler4756 yeah no thank you i will pass lol. all that work just to play more of a game i am already paying for and taking time to level and gear in isn't what i call a good community or helpful i always remember those classic andies talking about how great the community is and how helpful they are not what i have noticed at all. though i am not saying retail is better just saying you can avoid all the drama with retail you kind of have no choice in classic.
@@userunknown1030 that "drama" and finding people you click with is the entire identity of an mmo. If you can't get along with ANY group of people you shouldn't even be playing an mmo. There's a ton of single-player RPGs in the world that give you virtual friends. If you want a real helpful community, find a private server with a LOW population. Low-pop vanilla private servers tend to have VERY friendly communities.
@@GuvernorDave Your statement is just generalizing few experiences that you had and you saw, now you are doing a general statement out of it. Most of the private servers, are not like you are trying to impose. They are closed communities. Some pleasant, most are not. Classic is a place for experienced people and any new player has a fcking hard time to catch on, even in leveling. If drama and loneliness {,,finding people as you said it,,} is what creates identity for you, you are playing the right game. In classic WoW you cannot avoid the drama and you cannot avoid being lonely during farming, grinding. Classic WoW is great game, but its actually for people that are bad at playing. Classic for people that are good in LIVING the game. If you want to just - have some fun with it - you probably gonna cry after a week. You have to loose part of your life to be able to enjoy Classic.
I very much enjoy your take on things :-) I certainly had a few happy months in wow classic!
Any how many unhappy months?
dude goobertown hobbies , im a huge fan ,
madseason and goobertown have the best voices on youtube, and crendor, we cannot forget the great wowcrendor
@@troyunderwood5647 None. Stopped playing when I was no longer interested
I was very happy leveling up. Im more into PvE, but once i started raiding, i was very disappointed. The raids were way too easy and simlpe, and i got bored so much that i began watching youtube while raiding. Then i just stopped. BWL was a very cool raid tho, thats the exception.
Edit: AQ40 is the ugliest raid ive ever been in.
The people shitting on Classic difficulty are the same ones who barely ever clear anything than LFR and normal raids in retail. Classic is not difficult in the sense of mechanics, but rather having a core raid team of 40 people show up every single week, consume out of their asshole and grab all necessary buffs. The difficulty in Classic is the fact that it takes a huge amount of people to be as passionate about the game as yourself, show up and know what to do and actually consume. This wasn't the case for previous tier raids and a lot of people have been carried all the way through to Naxxramas, that is why you see guilds disbanding all over the place right now too.
In retail the raid mechanics are harder (for heroic raids+), but you don't have to do anything else than just be there with 20 other people and know the tactics. That's about all the effort you have to put in. As long as you know the mechanics, you will clear the content. I'd love to see a retail andy try to grab 39 other people for a Naxx raid, attune to Naxx, have to farm enough consumables for their entire 40 man raid, grab world buffs, and know every single mechanic, e.g. making sure to have 8 fucking tanks and offtanks for a specific boss and actually having EVERYONE use consumables on a lot of fights and clear it in the first week. It won't happen, because retail andys are not gonna put in so much effort into clearing content because they're used to just leaving when things don't go well and just re-queueing because their actions have 0 consequence. That's the difference. Classic is difficult in a entirely different way.
Thank you. This is so true
Classic difficulty is preparation, which means playing the game outside of raid time, farming the world itself to make those consumes and battling others for those resources. It also means social organisation, lacking the easy mode tools of retail means guilds have to go the extra mile to recruit, retain and keep happy 40+ raiders every week, which only became more difficult the more raids were added, doing every raid is a big time commitment but is absolutely necessary in Classic due to linear raid progression and no easy catchup gear/modes. Unfortunately for many they instead take the retail mindset, just raid logging, buying boosts and buy gold from botters instead, causing the massive inflation of gold and bots started taking over the economy and murdering the levelling experience for those who didn't boost. I wish people respected the game more but seeing how ubiquitous boosting was it is clear you could never bring Vanilla WoW back, it's Boomercraft today with players spending plenty of real life money to throw at botters/boosters to make the game easy instead of playing the damn game.
@ANTERIORcs Hmm.
Great to see you still remember even the small things like fighting through Stonewatch Keep in Redridge. That's what classic is all about. Hope to see you again in Outland. Keep doing what you do!
Meh, Outland, haven’t played it. Vanilla is forever.
Thanks for being a part of why Classic was great.
After all is said and done, Classic WoW made me fall in love with this channel... success!
Loved every minute of classic. Tried retail for a minute but after two weeks of the maw and world quests, I came back for naxx and I’m already leveling another alt. Best mmo ever.
Complains of the maw and WQ yet has no problem leveling an alt in classic which is infinitely longer and more annoying. Unless you are spamming dungeons with mages.
@Thiago Silva um maw isnt optional. It is required to do if you want to progress your character
@Thiago Silva maw isnt optional it increases player power via enchants/gems. world quests increase your renown. torghast is how you get legendaries. snoozefest.
@Thiago Silva exactly its necessary to get into the high end content, which 99% ppl are working torwards.
@Thiago Silva I dont hate shadowlands and I agree torghast is just too easy now. It used to be fun before the nerf, now its just as boring as islands spam. Mages could kill the final layer8 boss in like 1 second pre nerf. Now we kill it in 0.5 sec
So I started with classic when I decided like a year ago to play wow .... and I bought shadow lands for Christmas and .... it feels very wrong
I feel to op versus mobs and I can very easily pull 4 mobs at a time even at lvl 3/4 ... the items are at time useless and I played for a whole day without any item on and It was almost no difference ( I'm lvl 20 so IDK if it will switch later on ) the talent tree is gone :( the trainers have no point since you learn skills at lvl up and it makes no sense ,things like leather-working or skinning feel useless and don't really give me any reason to actually do them ( for now ) .... yes classic is at times unforgiving but it's so rewarding ... I shit you not I spent 3 hours in stormwind making guns and bullets for like 7 hunters and I had a blast
that’s because classic is mostly about the leveling, and SL really starts at lvl 50-60.
In Vanilla/Classic you're just a lowly adventurer starting out, by Shadowlands we're god slaying immortal killing machines
I don't know why they trivialize the 1-50 game so much. People end up at level cap barely knowing how to play. I would think they'd want it to be challenging so they can sell level boosts anyway
@derp derpin you agreed with me by disagreeing with memlmao
@@username18990 if you actually think this you probably haven’t tried mythic castle nathria yet lmao
Watching again a year later, being new to WoW for classic launch was incredible. Some of the best memories, this game is something special… way ahead of it’s time
From a monetary aspect: Yes!
Nostalgia: Yes.
Fun: Yes.
Community: Oh hell no.
Some communities are better than others. I play on the RP servers, which are much more friendly (less of a rat race). You have to let the rat racers/streamers rush through all the content, max out, and finally bleed off of the servers before the community can be re-established. I can't wait for TBC realms to come out so that the Vanilla realms can heal.
@@madrox1989 Yeah, you hit the spot. The way most people played to reach 60 asap and the crunched intervals between patches meant a casual trying classic had no chance. I quit phase 2, heard I dodged a real f fest. I got a month's worth of nostalgia. Would like to go back and try again if they make fresh servers.
@@flaviuscarp My enjoyment plummeted right around Phase 2 as well. Questing in parties, doing the outdoor dungeons (like the undead area in Teldrassil), struggling through instanced dungeons, or even just goofing around is quite enjoyable especially with random friendly people. Leveling, and tackling things traditionally/practically is the experience I wanted out of Classic.
I could only imagine the experience must be the worst on the PVP realms lol. An army of engineers dualwielding thunderfurys, yikes!
@Rosa Barks That a lot of people subscriped to WoW, which most likely wouldn't have subscriped otherwise.
Given, it is not a success for me, but for me, unlike Fun or Nostalgia, but it was a success for the company.
@@madrox1989 did they confirm the burning crusade?
Classic has been one of the greatest gaming experiences of my life. From getting to compete in dueling tournaments, getting to experience what ranking is like to raiding with the boys to even meeting some of the guild IRL at Blizzcon. These are some memories I'll cherish for a very long time. Big thanks to you, Esfand, and the rest of the Crusade boys for making my time in classic more than amazing
I’m going to be bothered by that “female availability” spreadsheet for awhile...but man, an anecdote like that is pretty priceless. Great synopsis.
Truly up there on the incredibly pathetic scale 😂
for real like , ID investigations vibes lol wtf is wrong with people
@@van.deaux.1694 well i don't now i always here the loves story where people have meet there wives or current girlfriend on wow so i mean it isn't that odd really. i am sure it happened back in vanilla to just not to many people where spamming about the game like they are now.
Men seeking women has always happened, and I get tired when that behavior is labeled as bad or creepy . That said, when you do it in such a nerdy, cringy way as this, it's no wonder you are single. No woman is impressed by your spreadsheet abilities. :)
@@JimmyMon666 I agree with you, but the spreadsheet was extremely creepy and seemed like borderline stalking, if not just straight up stalking. I don’t think it’s should just be described as nerdy and cringe, it’s much worse.
As someone who is relatively new to WoW(only been playing since march ) its always dope seeing og players talk about the state of the game. I watched WoW grow around me through my teens and now being a part of something this big is amazing, but hearing the og's talk about classic makes me know how much ive missed out on by not diving in back in the day. looking forward to the next video dude.
i started wow with 2019 classic and this game literly change my mind about mmos big time
I feel so sad how someone's life is so miserable that you need to be so toxic to a person like Madseason, he is one of the chillest streamer
Some people are just like that as their base nature no matter if their day is good or bad. They just have phsical and mental need to be that way. They need serious mental health support but thats how for rest of us to deal with. Just block/mute/delete try to move on. Sometimes yes its headache but even in real life you just need to look around you for few mins and sorrounded by unstable people. I tend to keep to myself in WoW for most part bec since playing from 2007 untill now I've seen alot of maniacs around me. And alot of fun stuff too. I guess Its also perspective thing on how each of us deals with adversity. I'm 30 now and alot wiser than when I was 11 years old playing Wacraft 3 on Battle.net but I still have much to learn in life. But least now I know to spot toxic people alot quicker and to be rid of them. if anyone made it this far down to my comment then thanks for reading/listening :D
@@GenjiShimada.
Lol.
Great video Madseason, you’re a god damn light in a year of darkness.
I leveled a Rogue to endgame, something I had never done before. Was very fun.
Made Field Marshall in Vanilla and ran out of time for GM as i helped a gnome rogue friend make GM that last week. Vanilla and Classic are like that, community was so much more of the game than it is now.
Sad to watch this now knowing you will leave WoW in less than a year. Such good content.
Great video, thanks.
I love Classic and, given that it remains available, I will always play it. For me, Classic is the closest version that there is to Vanilla, which was the greatest video game ever made.
If Bliz release fresh servers, then there are some changes which I would like: Disable all world buffs in raid instances, fix all 'smart' kiting paths and hiding spots in instances (or similar) to end the boosting culture, and increase raid boss damage a bit.
I started playing classic recently and its bringing back so many fun memories about leveling and raiding in vanilla wow. I had to quit the game in 08 because I went back to school, so its like another chance to experience WOTLK. I'm having a blast experiencing the game again, 15 years later!
Even if it wasn't as great as we remembered. It still brought happiness to thousands of people to even get a chance to experience a sliver of what we once knew.
not a sliver.. it was actually as close of an experience as it could get.
U can't come any closer tbh.
blizzard for once did a way better job than it was expected.
The community however, didn't.
@@akhsdenlew1861 Well Blizzard definitely made a lot of mistakes. They did do a better job than expected, but the bar was very low.
@@magistermittens124 they couldn't do more to make classic a better experience.
Most of the experience is ruined by the community anyway.
Blizzard had such a little part to play.. they basically released a ready-old game and the community had to decide how to approach it.
And they did.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I loved my time playing classic! I wish they would reset the servers every couple of years and I would be down for another 1-60 grind!
@@enubisgaming6829 1-60 lvling and up untill mid-BWL content, the game is actually quite good.
After AQ release, it's big nope for me.
I've played WoW classic since September'2019.
It was my first wow experience.
Game was new to me, so i just tried different classes, different builds, both fractions, PvP, quests and stuff.
Unfortunately i have no success in raids, just because i didn't know what to do, which way i should go and how to make a progress.
I was just interested in different classes mechanics, exploring and getting better.
In less than a year time period my realm became empty and i not even tried to kill Onyxia, never had a chance because of the dead realm. Only a couple times on Zul Gurub as a combat rogue gave me some feeling of mmo spirit.
About a month ago I've created a new character for horde on a high pop realm and I'm still like to play the game with my friends, even when i understand that train is gone i always find something to do and enjoy my quarantine time.
Thanks to you Madseason for your videos, good luck on TBC.
Launch was fantastic and the leveling experience was a blast (warrior at launch, so I had the worst experience). I thoroughly enjoyed raiding, I joined a Guild that wasn't too serious but still challenged the top spot on my realm (we had the fastest cleared BWL time on our server at launch). I enjoyed raiding up until BWL, when the age of the game really started to show. I quit playing entirely not long after BWL, but I feel I got my full worth out of the game up until that point. I was one of the first to hit 60 on my server, one of the first Blacksmiths to complete their Armoursmithing quest lines, one of the first to complete Molten Core and I fought in Hillsbrad when World Pvp first released. I tanked dungeons and raids, I saved our Guild more times than I can count from wiping on Ragnaros and Netharion (might have made a typo) and I loved every second of tanking. I was reliable and thorough in my job, and if I might toot my own horn I was a bloody great tank on my server.
I achieved what I set out to achieve on a game that I played when I was a child (I played vanilla, after the Gates had opened but before TBC launched) and I had so much fun.
I really hope the next step is Classic TBC, as TBC was when I was old enough to really flourish at PC Games independently, and I have so many beautiful memories.
I hope everyone has a lovely Christmas, and I hope you all have a wonderful new year. Fingers crossed we're done away with this Corona Virus by early next year.
I leveled a warrior and it was the most fun I had despite the roadblocks I came across. I levelled a warrior alone before so I knew what to expect.. and avoided it. We started as a group of 5 totally random guys, lost our priest around lvl 20. Managed to find a permanent replacement soon after. Well, that is until lvl 45 when we lost our shaman because he didn't like Classic all that much and our group kinda crumbled at that time because people's time off was running out and we had to return to our actual lives. Three of us still kept tight and reached 60 around the same time. We got out pre-bis together but went our seperate ways when it came to guilds and raiding. I never really cared about raiding in WoW but was spoken into becoming a class leader and, well, that was absolutely not fun. First month or two was okay when it came to raiding - we killed Rag week 3, but soon I started fearing logging on and having to deal with these people. Harder and harder rules were being implemennted (must have all pre-bis, most of the buffs, these WBs, all enchants, etc) which I didn't agree with and had to be the one to enforce for 20 warriors. Tried looking for another guild to go but it seems like I have stumbled upon the hardcore server (Progress was on our realm). One day I just said bye and never logged back in again. This was before BWL came out.
At it's best it was the most fun I've ever had, at it's worst it felt like a soul-crushing job.
I think a good amount of people quit near that BWL and rocky phase 2 launch with the pvp system/no battlegrounds. For me I love bwl and AQ is that "meh" raid for me. Not sure why...maybe I'm just traumatized from all of the "bug" levels from oldschool nes/snes games. Merry Christmas to you as well!
@@madseasonshow AQ was a slog and I think ended up being a major contributor to me stepping away from the game once KT was killed. Something about the fights and duration of the raid felt gross in addition to the "mechanics" at times felt very unfun to deal with. Once we got to a point of doing AQ, BWL, and MC binding runs in a single night much of the fun was sucked out. I could tell that AQ had an adverse effect on a lot of the raiders as well and people were noticably more irate than usual as opposed to the fun fast clearing of BWL or the meme-filled stupor of MC. BWL is still by far my favourite raid and I truly believe I could raid that all the time and never get bored.
I have to thanks you Mad. When classic released, I didn't play because I wasn't attracted but one day I discovered your channel and I have watch all videos about classic and I finally played it. But even with your videos I was lost most of the time and I think I really experienced the classic experience and I loved it. Thank you, playing classic was one of my best experience in mmo. I'm french but your video are so easily understandable and useful. Merry Christmas and I hope you the best for 2021
Before classic: wow Madseason never curses
After classic: nevermind lol
Your videos have been a joy. I saw your vids for the first time in the build up to classic and they helped stir up all the great memories I had from classic wow.
I just want fresh servers SO BAD, the classic launch was the most fun I think I've ever had in gaming
Same here, never played wow before classic launched last year and it was legit the MOST fun I can remember playing with my friends. I’m 25, so most fun in about 10 years.
I didn't even play Classic as I still enjoy Retail a lot but I loved hearing what was going on and hearing news about the happenings in Classic from yours as well as other channels!
A bit version of Dido "Thank you"? Wow, that's really time traveling! Back to 2000s!
Ok, I'm NOT crazy. Thank God someone else heard it
I cant tell you how many times ive started playing FFX because of the music you put in your videos. So much nostalgia every single time
I know I'm being a wuss, but I'm actually getting teary eyed watching this. Feels like the end of summer camp. Thx guys for the memories and fun.
Thank you for your comments and love of the game. I probably started playing it 2-3 years after it came out. It would be wonderful to have had the experiences you have had but I have had two very bad contacts with Guilds and have played PvE ever since. Alliance, human fury warrior Uther. Keep up the good work and you have had good luck Best wishes.
I'm making a note here: "HUGE SUCCESS"
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
but it matters by the experience
Aperture science
You think you do but not.
@@velho6298 its seems they where right though it is kind of funny it all worked out like i thought it would people would be stock for the first few months and they where after that it would tick down to only a few servers with just retail rejects lol. and i was right lol. accept for the retail rejects most of those people don't like the game because it is to slow. i guess fast pace is king lol.
When i was a kid i didn't have money or a pc to play wow, later i could but i had so many responsibilities that playing wow wasn't an option. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you madseason cause even though i never played wow your videos and some from other creators have kept the desire to play wow alive through all these years. Now i have finally started playing
I'd say mixed success. Great start, good community at first but then modern players acted like modern players, min/maxing the fun out of it. Boosting, world buffs, no one questing, no one wanting to group up, I felt more alone than I did on retail.
Was very glad got to pvp with ya such a awesome UA-camr absolutely a pillar of wow thank you for your great videos.
If EverQuest's "Classic Progression Servers" provide any evidence, then Blizzard will periodically release "Fresh Classic Servers" and millions of people will come flooding back every time to - not to mention the mostly-inevitable TBC and/or WOTLK servers which will also bring millions back.
I'm holding out for WoD Classic. That's where the REAL action will be!
@@baldie80 I hope your joking lmao
@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES totally, yes lol.
That said, if they do get as far as WoD then they’ll have to bring back WoW Tokens to a “Classic” era of the game, and that can only be hilarious, if only to see how the heck they figure out how to do it!
Also, strangely, WoD does hold a special place for me because it’s the first time I joined a regular raiding team...HFC was a good, fun Raid.
@@baldie80 the content was good in dreanor it was just tainted with the bad anti social crap since cata and garrison. And lack of content. Sadly WOD could have been so much more
The wave of calmness over me when I hear the intro is just.. Awesome feeling.
Merry xmas Madseason!
the YTMND shout out -- A man of my own tribe.
Great content, man. You're my favorite WoW personality by far. Really appreciate your level-headedness. Enjoy "the end" game as we (maybe) prepare for TBC!
They need to invest in GMs and fix the botting and cheating.
They've started banning thousands of accounts every day.
@@BigDaddyWes source?
@@Tatti12321 bro, trust me - source
Their current customer service has been terrible. I've spoken to GM's about 10 times during classic and had ONE positive experience. The other times were all just copy pasted broken English or messages that show they didnt even read my message. Friend was told to turn Warmode off when he was complaining about exploits in classic. They dont care, The report system just works by people mass reporting.
@@TheodoreBotman You've spoken 10 times to GM in a year, it's like almost once every month, so imagine every single person in the world who play the game "talks" to them that frequnently, ofc they don't have time to do anything...i guess you are the reason so many people can't even contact them once with a single real problem they have....lol
I completely forgot about the Picard song, so I fully appreciated the YTMND bit. Another great video.
"what role are you?"
"Yes"
Modern RPG 😂
@Rosa Barks agreed. Hence why im guildless in wow atm. Bit extreme but forces socializing with people.
When everyone can do everything, nobody is special.
Nice video dude. I'm just now getting back into WoW after 10 years for TBC, so I have been consuming a ton of content to get myself back in. Youre my favorite non-lore content creator.
I knew my girl was hooked when I caught her walking through sw park alone early one morning just to listen to the music.
So many ups and downs trying to find a guild that works for "me" and doesn't break up. off and on guild drama over loot, personalities that dont click, poor leadership. I went through a handful of prominent guilds on Deviant Delight. The guild im in is doing good now but a part of the MMORPG process is change, I'm sure something will happen and we'll evolve again. I was fortunate enough to meet a core team of 5 or so that i've stuck with for over a year now. As someone who played back in pre-BC, I can honestly say, so much of WoW Classic really has captured the original. Its such a broad, fun topic to nerd out over.
Cheers to my fellow Neck-Beards!
I would actually enjoy going fresh classic with raids being tougher and after then having naxx for a while like we do now get a TBC release. Classic went by so fast with guilds clearing raids TOO QUICK
I fucking loved Phase 1, i'd gladly do it again.
Probably because Blizzard made it too easy... Private Servers had it correct with how hard it should be.
@@hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 They didn't made easy, im playing since 2004 vanilla, and everything is on point as i remember, the difference why people saying it was super hard because nobody had any addons, and any clue how stuff works in wow as mmorpg was something new back than, lots of people was grinding instead of doing quests since in other mmorpgs you had to grind also like in lineage 2, runescape, everyone was fresh in game without any experience, for most people was they're first mmorpg game, so private servers only increased difficulty a lot since everybody forgot about classic wow difficulty and because on newest expansions was so easy to do leveling most people start saying how it was hard back in the days, but actually it wasn't, its actually similar, raids in current wow is much harder compared to classic, because we now used to level so quick currently, we forgot that leveling back then was quite easy also, because lots of people was grinding mobs like in other mmos who taken even more time.
@@Krahamus I also played since the beginning and have played on private servers ever since BC was released.
Classic is way easier than Vanilla. They fucked it.
@@hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 when bc was released all private servers was bugged as hell, it took years to make good servers, and only few where true to retail, as that said blizzard have all data for old wow, drops, health, and list goes on, private servers had to guess only what was like to play old wow, and they made it to difficult by all these guessing.
MadSeason ... how nice to see your videos again after a year or so of not playing WoW. I got lost in the narrative and lost energy to continue with WoW sometime in the fall of 2018. Each month I would think I'm almost ready to dive back in, but honestly the story lines have lost me, I think. I won Invincible as a mount not long before I quit playing so I need to get back in there to enjoy my prize, but I'm finding difficulty finding the resolve to deal with all the STUFF. Maybe I can just free-roam a while. Ah, anyhow thanks for the video.
Took way too much time. Everything up to Naxx was far too easy. Totally unbalanced. Loved every second of it.
I don't know c'uthun is pretty fucked up.
@@2Eliishere for some reason we have a very easy time with him. Lose maybe 2-3 people from stupidity but kill him super easy. Ouru, Visc were a little frustrating where we still had issues, and pretty much no good loot ever. We're pretty casual though (6hours per week raid time max)
but classic was never a hard game...Only a time-sink of a game.
it was all about how much time can u spend inside the game.
Just look at the pvp system.
Probably the worst pvp system in the entire gaming industry.. lmao
That rank 14 GRIND doesn't even worth my spit.
@@akhsdenlew1861 you can say the same thing about all MMOs
@@2Eliishere no u can't.
Check out GW2.. not ridiculus time/gold sinks without purpose.
Look at FFXIV, Retail wow.. MUCH MUCH better.
The older the game is, the grindier it is...
The Systems are just bad...
I knew you were an OG of the internet but when you put YTMND in your video you proved it to me. Thank you for that blast of nostalgia out of nowhere
I enjoyed leveling up and doing the pvp grind again. Got Rank 13 on my warrior way back then and 13 this time as well. Felt like a bigger accomplishment this time being over the age of 40 and going solo. The PVE? Meh, I never came back cause I wanted to clear Naxx. But did I want to get a BRE and smash faces in AB again with 3 procs up on the sword? Heck yeah! Success in my book!
I love the calmness of these videos. So relaxing to watch!
"What role are you?"
"Yes!"
lol
I really enjoyed my time with Classic, even though it didn't last beyond BWL. I loved watching your progress with Rank 14 (opening sequences included!) and seeing the content you've put out this year. In my mind, it was a success and though my time with the MMO is likely passed, I can't wait to see where you and others take the journey to. Cheers!
The ever present countdown that has plagued games is one of the most frustrating "modern" "features"
FOMO, fall behind your world quest grind and be not allowed to raid
My only complaint was blizzard not investing in the game. No GM interaction. Bots allowed for days on end. Gold sellers obviously practicing their trade with no concern of being caught.
Great summary, happy new year.
I consider it a success just for the fact that alone that it brought me back to WoW in general.
I started Classic in September of 2019, and slowly migrated to becoming a full Retail Randy by late December last year.
Your videos got me back into playing classic wow. They provide so much nostalgia.
even though ive been watching madseasons since well before classic, watching his videos was the best part of classic for me
I was excited for classic and had fun playing up to level cap. I even managed to get my dad back on for one more romp through WoW with our original characters and their names. It just felt very different, having 16 years of experience playing WoW and knowing everything about classic really did change how it played. Even though I did have fun, once I accomplished all of my goals I just went back to retail. Losing all of the quality of life improvements and class changes from all the years did really gnaw on me at the end of the day.
that ytmnd brought me back lmao. Kinda suprised u didn't mention the leeway and batching
The best way to explain my Classic experience is this: I was sure I’d quit after a few months & hitting 60. (I did but came back)
But here I am a year & a half later trying to clear Naxx with my guild, and loving every moment of it!!
Awesome, as always. I'm looking forward to BC.
Thank you for all of the Classic content over the last couple of years. Your perspective has always been refreshing and cautiously optimistic. Happy New Year, good sir. Looking forward to TBC
I just love watching your videos about classic. I’m a Retail player and because I never played Classic I don’t think I would get used to it. So it’s nice watching you talk about it.
I appreciate it! I do have a Shadowlands video coming up soonish that you might like
@@madseasonshow I look forward to it then! :)
Just try classic. Its the best mmo of all time
@@tristanbeaumont8048 debatable
I really didn’t expect to hear an 8bit version of a Dido song, especially here. Thank you for the throwback.
I literally dropped my phone when this notification came up!
How will you play Diablo Immortal now?
@@madseasonshow does he not have a phone anymore?
don't you guys have phones?
I stumbled on this channel and I really appreciate the content you do. Please keep on keeping on.
This just makes me depressed... seeing how much the game has changed (for the worse). I really wish Blizz could see just how much they have butchered their product.
Classic is still great. There major problem is retail. I can never go back. Shadowlands is awful. Ever since WOD the never will never be the same. Classic is a heaven send
@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES "There major problem is retail. I can never go back.."... git gud ua-cam.com/video/iWiPb4UVFOE/v-deo.html
@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES Shadowlands reminds me of MoP/WoTLK tbh. The expansion is not bad whatsoever.
@@preds43 anti social and fast lvling . Half the game being in a queue. Broken covenants. Broken RNG gearing. Half assed story and questing. Wow has sucked since WOD no debate
Mission tables. All mellee classes feel the same all caster classes feel the same. Nothing unique anymore. Toxic community. Ruined ass story. Story acts like your the only important person in the world where millions play the game and everyone is treated the same way so it breaks the emersion of the game. Most of the game can be played solo. Retail is a joke
I really wanted to enjoy classic, I find I enjoy it way more than retail, but after I fell into a toxic group it really threw a wet towel on the whole experience. Now classic is basically over, I am really bummed I missed out. I just could not find the right people for me and life kept getting in the way. Maybe I will do better in BC, maybe it is time to hang up my cloak and pointy hat and call it quits for good. Thanks Mad for always putting out the awesome content, hope you have an awesome 2021.
Yes and no. I think No changes helped and hurt them. In terms of player journey they nailed it! The problem was they didn't alter tuning so early raids where way to easy because we where facing them with 1.12 class buffs and nerfs
Nothing would make MC hard it's just an easy raid. Dungeon gear being so good in later patches is probably the biggest difference. Warriors can be in full blue gear up to like AQ40.
@Andrew Stevenson Yea killing MC in green and level 58 totally better than retail. Derp
@Andrew Stevenson Maybe because LFR isn't the end-game content, but MC was? LFR is tourist mode made for people to simply see the content if they have no time or means to do so otherwise. The real content is Mythic Raiding. Good luck thinking bypassing tedious levelling means you now are qualified to clear that. Then again, you classic Andies would probably even fail at LFR to begin with.
@Andrew Stevenson
Literally who cares about 'welfare' legendaries. Legendaries have always been a dumb part of the game. You can see it in Classic. Do you really give a shit about seeing some dude pass by with a HoR or TF these days? It only felt great back when the entire game felt like a great unknown. That's the problem with you classic Andies. You care way too much about the color pixels of items rather than what the item represents: a way to enhance gameplay.
All your points are utterly pathetic. Even Normal mode retail is far far more difficult than anything Classic has to offer. And that is coming from someone who barely even plays retail anymore. There is a massive truckload of content in Retail, yet you think raiding is all there is to do LOL. There's Mythic +, dozens of dungeons, solo content coming out the wazoo, Torghast, dailies, weeklies, world quests, sanctum building, pets, a massive range of battlegrounds, Arenas, flavor content such as transmogs and mount/pet collections. To actually think that Classic is better than retail when it comes to that, when all people do is get world buffs and raidlog is uttterly delusional. There's absolutely nothing to do in Classic.
You need to get a grip and stop masturbating over the Classic pixels. Scarcity equals value in Classic, that is all. The only reason we remember items is because there were barely any of them. Again, the only thing classic Andies care about is the 'value' of items rather than the challenging and interesting gameplay. Probably cause you were too bad at the game to be able to actually do anything above LFR difficulty.
There are a shitload of raids worth remembering. Just because YOU don't know them (as you were too bad to progress in them) doesn't mean they don't exist. MC was just one of the first ones, but if that's your idea of an epic raid, then I guess there's not really much left to say. Go do your one-button rotations and pleasure yourself in SW/ORG whispering "retail bad". Comfort yourself in the fact you'll never be good enough, but at least the item that dropped from a 15 year old version of the game had value.
@Derp Inshmurtz Who said they are a dumb part of mmos? Why are you misrepresenting my quote and putting it quotation marks? That's not at all what I said, so no clue why you're attributing those words to me if not to purposely take my words out of context. And then there's no point to discuss anymore because the goal isn't a discussion, but to "gotcha" me.
The implementation of legendaries has always been bad in WoW. That's my point. There's no achievement in RNG, I'm sorry. Getting 2x 2% droprate items isn't a testament to your skill, it's simple RNG. Being the one chosen to get the item is the only part where you have influence, and that has 0 to do with the game and everything with the social fabric of guilds.
Again, that's the very point I'm making. Classic Andies (not saying you are one) are obsessed with the purple pixels and how much value that item supposedly has rather than the gameplay of the GAME itself. They don't care that the vast majority of content is dogshit and poses no difficulty. That's a fine way to play, but to act as if that's objectively superior to complexity and challenge is disingenuous.
It really was a great experience playing Classic. Although I left on the release of Phase 5 (got bored with raiding and the game generally), I can recall so much fun memories and can tell for sure it was a huge success.
And, as always, thanks to Madseason for bringing us cool content. Love your videos. Peace
I'm glad classic exists such that if I get tired of current I can always hop over to classic. Modern is superior to classic in many infinite ways, but classic does have the social aspect down to a science. You need friends and guild to get anywhere remotely powerful in classic.
Agree, I'm happy they are not separate and as we pay subscription we can enjoy the game however we want.
To me classic is bad but only cause of the community, but I'm looking forward to Burning Crusade
For me, Classic is a nice back up in case I ever get burned out on Retail. I mostly just use it for relaxing fishing or something.
However Shadowlands has caused a huge increase in my guild size now (we were a solid 10-man casual raiding to now constantly maxing the 30-man limit and are facing the prospect of making 2 raids for the first time). I have no idea where this influx came from. Maybe it was just classic players finishing Classic.
Everytime I watch a Madseason video, my love for this 16 year old game is renewed and I'm suddenly once again sat in front of a CRT with the boys arguing over who pulled the extra mob. Thanks dude, as always keep up the good shit, and all the best for the new year and the future of Classic!
I stopped playing when Blizzard decided to abandon my server.
Thalnos perhaps? I just made new characters switching from horde to ally 4 60s still on that server stuck in t2 and no one to play with lol
@@limacrap Skeram currently 97% Horde as of writing this, what a joke
Honestly, switching to an RP server in current was the best decision I ever made. Through the use of LFG chat as a serverwide channel that not everyone is aware of, the whole aspect of people making a name for themselves, be that good or bad, is there. This year, I received a Christmas letter and a gift from someone I’ve met a few times in LFG that I don’t even talk to that frequently and it made me feel really good.
what we really need is classic blizzard
I don't play WoW but your videos are great for the MMO experience in general, the way you talk about it reminds me of my first proper MMORPG expierences, and the knowledge you impart is very digestible and interesting for non WoW players. Plus you've got a cool monotone voice
Ended my career a few days ago. We got our KT kill. But, honestly, since AQ opening it wasn't really fun anymore. I felt like i was too deep inside already to quit before Naxx. By this moment I sold everything that was on my bank if we keep our characters for TBC. Speedrun raiding was quite some fun but really after all with the min max meta it was mindnumbening. Getting WBs to complain about the content to be cleared so quick. I dont expect TBC to be hard either but i enjoyed the pvp way more. Looking forward to some kind-of casual pvp with TBC. Not sure about raiding every ID again. I dont think the time investment equals the joy it brings.
Yeah never really cared for the min max meta myself. Luckily I found a raid team that promotes it, but doesn't require it. I feel like I got really lucky with my guild/raid actually. Sorry that it didn't work out for you, but here's looking forward to BC!
@@madseasonshow. Love the vids Mad. Has TBC confirmed then?
Somehow I like stuff about Classic/Vanilla coming from fellow WoW players in their thirties the most.
I always feel so disconnected when, for example, someone in their video goes like: "Back in 2005, when I was 7 years old..."
These younger people must have had a completely different experience than I had back in 2005 when I was 19.
Same probably goes for older people, but I very rarely come across those for some sarcastically mysterious reason.
Also, those sweet '90s references coming from the now-thirty-something-year-olds just make me happy.
"What is this unbalanced garbage? Let me queue up again..." sums up my experience XD
Dude for sure. Classic is the king of MMOs
Great video as always, crazy classic has been out for 1.5 years, feels like just yesterday I was looking up warrior levelling guides