BenQ SW Series Pre-Calibrated Build-In Color Mode Explained!
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BenQ SW Series Pre-Calibrated Build-In Color Mode Explained!
BenQ SW displays line are pre-calibrated from the factory with various hardware color mode. One of the most common questions about this is, "can I use these display right out of the box without custom calibrating it?" The short answer to this question is "yes, you are able to," but the main question here is, should you? This video will explain what these color mode are, why they are there, how to use them etc. If you own a BenQ SW and have any questions about these color mode this video will explain everything that you need to know.
Time / Chapter Marks
00:00 Intro
00:55 What are these color mode?
01:37 Why are they there?
02:26 Are there any downside using these color mode without custom calibration?
03:20 Method 1: The simple way to use these color mode.
03:57 Method 2 macOS: Matching icc output profile to color mode on macOS
05:39 Method 2 Windows 10: Matching icc output profile to color mode on Windows 10
10:19 Creative ways to use these color modes.
12:26 Is custom calibration better & why?
13:29 Final Thoughts
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Thanks Art !
Damn dude you just saved me 4 hours of trying different light modes, thanks your a life saver
@@ArtIsRight I'm confused on what you said about video card output. Isn't the video output of, say, DisplayPort, digital? I'm expecting this message to be ignored again rather than an acknowledgement of say, you don't know the answer or I've given you food for thought. Signals may definitely be different, but the 1s and 0s interpreted are the same, so shouldn't two different computers outputting Adobe RGB 1998 profiles show exactly the same image on the same monitor (connected separately) or, as the monitors are factory calibrated, the two different computers should display exactly the same image on two different factory calibrated displays (of the same model) using the same hardware colour mode?
Fantastic series of colour management videos. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great information really difficult to find online, just THANKS!
Glad it was helpful!
Along with the relatively basic User Manual (SW271), BenQ should provide a very colorful brochure with all their professional monitors that have your photo and a clear reference to this UA-cam channel.
Thank you!
Useful video thanks alot sir
Welcome
Thanks for these helpful videos. I have just purchsed the BenQ SW2700PT monitor, and I have an older XRite Colormunki colorimeter. Can I use that with the Palette Master software?
If you have the colorimeter it will not work. Check and compare the device that you have to this video ua-cam.com/video/Qm05pJS8Io0/v-deo.html
Very useful
Thank you!
Thank You Sir.
You're welcome!
Hi Art! Thanks for all your answers!! After watch almost all your videos, I can conclude that after changing the Color Mode in the monitor (sw270c) YOU MUST change the ICC profile. Example: If I choose Adobe RGB in the monitor I must select Adobe RGB (1998) in my mac settings. If I choose Calibration 1 in the monitor, I need to select the corresponding ICC created with Palette Master Element. Color Mode in monitor must match with the icc profile? I'm right? Thanks!
Yes that is correct. Also when you are in Adobe RGB and choose Adobe RGB, the color are approximate only because your computer output is not at reference. The best thing to do is use the profile from PME and custom PME calibration
Hi Art, I am so thankful for your work and your channel! Its so awesome. Everything about BenQ monitors can be found on your channel! Great! Thx a lot.
I wrote you an email a week ago or so. Thx for your help there! It was about the sw2700pt and old FW on the new M1 Macs.
I thought about using the inbuilt adobeRGB calibration + adobe RGB output as a workaround until pallets master works fine on M1's. From my first tests its looks as the best solution for the moment? Do you have any thoughts about it?
I am really happy with my monitor now, as I watched so many videos from you. But I really think if BenQ is the future way to go, with all there bugs and problems in the pallets master software, it is really a mess. And if you wouldn't do all that great videos I had already sold that monitor.
Thx in advance
Stefan
Your solution is one way of solving the issue as of now. Glad you are sticking with the brand. I think they make fantastic hardware, software can be updated, hardware, not so much. So they have lot of good things going for them.
I ended up gettin that cable to work on my bros pc, anyways im lookin at the PD3200U right now I have the BL3201PH. same size and resolution is good decision?
PD3200U is a great display and it sits at the Higher end of BenQ display line up for creatives.
I have become your fan. Many professional youtubers have no idea what they are talking about.
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Currently, we would set the monitor to the color mode we're working on (ie: Adobe RGB) and anything of smaller gamut like sRGB would be handled by the application (ie: Most Adobe apps). And not change it on the operating system.
Would you have to change both the color mode on the monitor and operating system when working on specific color modes every single time (If you don't choose to calibrate)? Would that also apply if you choose to hardware calibrate?
In many cases we use different MacBook Pros and Windows based laptop to connect to a monitor, it seems that hardware calibrating the monitor would not benefit since we use different machines, is that correct?
@Harold Urquiola, as mentioned in the video these color mode are really for approximating what color will look like in a respective gamut. It does not matter what or how many machine you use, the best recommendation to get the best color possible is still to run a custom hardware calibration with PME. Your BenQ display should have at least 2 if not 3 hardware calibration slots, so you can assign a slot for Mac, a slot of PC, etc. And yes all of them would have to use the respective icc profile that was generate from PME after the calibration on each respective matching for the best result.
To answer another part of your question, you can use the color mode like in Method 1 without matching the profile. Method 2 is not really recommend. And what you really need to do is a custom hardware calibration and then make sure that the proper icc profile is used every time. Watch my calibration guide here ua-cam.com/video/bz9y3db9vRI/v-deo.html
Hi and thanks for your content.
Can i edit rec2020 on a BenQ SW321C ? Thanks a lot
You can, however, just be aware that the coverage is not in the 90th percentile.
Hi ArtlsRight, thanks for the tutorials. I have a problem to modify the color mode from the OSD menu. I have my SW271 monitor (bought a few days ago) connected to a MacBookPro 2018 late by the USB-C port. I would like to keep the factory calibration and only activate the AdobeRGB mode from the menu. Unfortunately, this menu is locked and it's impossible to change the COLOR MODE from the main COLOR ADJUSTEMENT menu. The configuration is locked in HDR mode. Thanks for your help.
Thanks a lot , I found the answer in one of your last tutorials ua-cam.com/video/hDHBodulVbw/v-deo.html
Glad that worked out!
Thanks Art for all your hard work at putting these together. Finally pulled the trigger on SW271c based on your videos. Question on gamut from iMac to monitor. Based on all the reading and watching your videos, I "think" after you colour calibrate the monitor, and you choose the newly created ICC profile created from PME (SW271C D65 Adobe RGB), AND you use the Calibration 1 monitor setting, you are getting the most accurate colour profile available. With that combination, you cannot adjust brightness. If I keep the ICC profile (SW271C D65 Adobe RGB) selected, and then use the monitor Colour Mode Adobe RGB, is this still considered better than the out of the box factory ICC calibration? There is a noticeable difference in saturation going between the two. With the monitor Colour Mode Adobe RGB, you can change the brightness which is needed for my work location.
If I keep the ICC profile (SW271C D65 Adobe RGB) selected, and then use the monitor Colour Mode Adobe RGB, is this still considered better than the out of the box factory ICC calibration?
-Yes and no, that Adobe RGB color mode is technically for reference only. And it is not as precise as the custom calibration. If you need to calibrate different brightness just run the calibration in another slot. Watch this video for further explanation ua-cam.com/video/Cgo2p7jF3n0/v-deo.html
There is a noticeable difference in saturation going between the two.
-Yes there is, which is why it does not work for what you want To do.
With the monitor Colour Mode Adobe RGB, you can change the brightness which is needed for my work location.
- Watch the video linked here and calibrate to luminance. There's no need to change ICC when you do this, hence what I've gone over in the video
Hello! First of all thank you for such a well explained video! I had a question, I'm using a Benq SW240 monitor display. It doesn't have a m-book mode and my monitor display is different from my mac book even though both are in sRGB mode. I wanted to calibrate as such that both the displays are same and I can share the images with my clients who probably use sRGB colour mode. I'm not talking from a print perspective. Help me out! Thanks again!
Watch this ua-cam.com/video/NxTNSkxgVP8/v-deo.html and then this ua-cam.com/video/QmyDEHNB1pQ/v-deo.html
In short it can't be done, even with Apple own displays.
M-Book does help but not as much. And calibration should not be done for the sake of matching, because it will never work that way.
MacBook Display are technically all P3, unless you have the Liquid Retina XDR inside the 14 and 16" MBP, those can be set to sRGB. But then again the LCD panel and back light is different.
The other thing is that clients even though they are in sRGB, if you don't calibrate, they'll see something different. If they use a cheap monitor even in sRGB, it will show up different. It is a can of worms that you don't want to open. Best that you can do is get things looking right on your end.
If you think most of your clients are Mac then just edit on the Mac for color, not what I recommend but you can do that. Personally what I would do is a hardware calibration on the BenQ SW240 edit to that and let the images fall where it may on other displays.
Very useful video. I recently got a SW321C but I can't change the color mode. I go to the menu of the monitor and it's disable. How do I resolve this problem? Thanks
Your display is portably in HDR mode, disable that from the OS and then you should be ok with the Menu.
recently i bought sw240 benq but i notice the P3 gamut mode on my monitor got slightly green tinted hue
is that normal ? if i changed to another gamut like adobe or rec.709 the color temps is white no green / yellow tinted hue
Seems about normal, Green and Yellow show more on P3 color space.
Another brilliant video. However, at 11:18 - it's stated that M-Book Mode will sllow you to see what users of Mac products will see on their end. Is this under straight out of the box settings only? What happens to that mode once custom calibration takes place? Does the mode get affected/ changed after custom calibration is done? If it does get changed, should it still be called M-Book Mode because it will no longer be what Mac users are seeing?
@3-Piece, thank you. So about that when you custom calibrate your BenQ SW displays then you'll be using either calibration 1, 2 or 3 and the rest are unaffected so the color mode would remain the same. In the event that you should do a software calibration in m-book color mode then that color will change based on the icc profile output from the system. For the color modes that comes with the display, nothing will change on the display hardware side even with hardware calibration. The only thing that will cause this to change is software calibration. Hope this helps!
Hi, your tips are very useful to set up my new BenQ monitor. But i dont find Adobe RGB ICC profile in Colour Management. Would like to request the link to download it. Thank you.
I can't legally distribute that reference profile and you should not be using any reference icc profile for display color management.
@ArtIsRight Could you please advise on Adobe RGB (1998) referenced at 8:11, versus what is showing as my ICC profile for my BenQ 2700PT: "SW2700 1_D65_Adobe RGB_L100_G22_2020-08-16T20.33 (default)"?
That icc referenced at 8:11 is the generic canned profile, it won't be as accurate as the latter icc profile name that you have provided. The latter long icc profile name is the custom calibration that is specific to your display, system and port output. The use long name one.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for taking the time to clarify that...I'm going through all your videos. Looks like I got it calibrated A-okay.🧐
Awesome! And you're welcome!
Hi! I have the BenQ SW Series 27" Monitor and Omen Desktop GT13-0024. I can seem to find the link for the Adobe RGB 1998 software that you mentioned in the video. Prior to getting this equipment I used a Dell Laptop calibrated with a Spyder 5 Elite calibrator. I used it on this monitor already. Worried that I'm not getting true colors that match my photos. Please adivse.
So there are a few SW in 27" size, model specific please. Also when you say that you can't find the Adobe RGB in the software do you mean PME? And if so, the only option that you have in Panel Native, does this sound about right? If so, you have a SW2700PT with one of the firmware version that can only do Panel Native RGB primary, which is like a slightly larger Adobe RGB, nothing wrong with the display.
Hi Art, Thanks for your great videos and really helpful responses. I am coming up to speed using my SW270c. I feel this may be a really stupid question and perhaps so stupid it is the reason why I cant find the answer anywhere but am I correct in assuming that when I am grading a photo or a video for UA-cam I need to use the Rec 709 Color Mode on the monitor and any adjustments I make in my software (Photoshop or Premiere Pro) to lift the levels, saturation, contrast to make the image better etc (like how it appears in RGB mode) will be close to what would be represented on UA-cam when it is published. I am finding that the end result is not that close. Note that I am yet to get delivery of my Calibrator and know (from this great video) that I do need to calibrate my Monitor to my PC and also adjust the PC settings to match the monito setting.
REC 709 would be a good color mode to use for what you are doing. This said, because you have not custom calibrated the display yet, this may be the reason why the colors are off. If you can tell me what is not correct about them and how you are proofing, I would have a better idea.
@@ArtIsRight Hi Art, thanks agaiin for replying so quickly. It's Saturday morning here in Australia and family duties have taken priority over learning how to get the best out of the monitor. I will respond with more detail when I get some more free time. Thanks & Cheers
great vides. but you cant download the adobe RGB icc profile anymore and you havnt been able to for a long time. could you put a link to somewhere we can get it?
Thanks. For Adobe RGB the link is gone and I have no way of distributing it legally. Depending on the OS that you have, you may be able to find it embedded in the OS. Side note, these are reference profiles and should not be used for displays.
I intend to do a custom profile of my MacBook Pro M1 and of the new BenQ SW270C with X-Rite i1 Studio. Previously, always had separate MBP and iMac, profiled each separately, each automatically selected their own profile, never connected.
Now, do I first profile MBP, then connect to monitor and do another profile? If so, how does the monitor profile get selected (vs the MBP internal profile) when I connect the MBP to the monitor? And what about the hot key puck selections: have they become superfluous now that I have profiles, or do they now use the profiles and modify them?
Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you.
ua-cam.com/video/Cgo2p7jF3n0/v-deo.html Calibrate 1 system first and choose a calibration slot for it, then calibrate the other system and put the calibration in another slot. On each of the perspective system just choose the correct icc profile.
@@ArtIsRight As a neophyte: for the MBP, I assume I'd use the X-Rite software (if they ever get it working with M1) and create a profile on that which then "automatically" becomes the default when using the MBP standalone. I connect to SW270C, use the BenQ Palette software (or use X-Rite's?) and create a profile. When I connect MBP to monitor, I go to System Prefs->Display and manually choose the monitor profile? Then when I disconnect, manually choose the MBP profile? Thx
Yes for MBP i1Profiler ua-cam.com/video/JrPdvs2by04/v-deo.html and it has been update for M1 already ua-cam.com/video/mA5dQSDa_NY/v-deo.html do these things first too ua-cam.com/video/hDHBodulVbw/v-deo.html on the MBP alone and when you have the BenQ linked up to it. For BenQ use PME, full walkthrough here ua-cam.com/video/8rjRoIe0-mo/v-deo.html and best calibration setting for latest version here ua-cam.com/video/eCOPETFhZlE/v-deo.html When you connect the BenQ, the system will automatically choose the last used profile so if it is the PME generated one then you are good. You can always check and choose the profile manually. This whole time you are using 2 profiles, 1 for the MBP and 1 for the BenQ, when you disconnect the BenQ profile won't be used any more. Just the MBP. This will help too ua-cam.com/video/Cgo2p7jF3n0/v-deo.html
I thought that the monitor colour modes were based on it receiving a standard ICC from the computer. It seems you are saying that if I want an approximation of REC709, I need to select REC709 ICC on the computer and then again select it on the monitor?
Nope common misconception, non of our computer send out standard signal. OS, software and driver changes and manipulate these signals along with the hardware GPU. And yes to your question but the best thing to do is custom calibrate your display.
Hello! What if I calibrate the monitor with my spyder x pro+display cal and i want to switch between colour spaces having always an accurate rappresentation of what that image will look like in that colour space? Should i just switch the output and leave the custom calibration as input?
Thx for all the insights, this channel is GOLD ❤️
You have to change both. Don't recommend DisplayCal with Hardware calibrated display, it is like buying a Ferrari to drive in first gear at 10 mph all the time :D
How to use blackmagic decklink mini monitor 4k card with sw321c sir?? The monitor is not stable when using this IO card kindly suggest the settings
Again this seems more like a black magic support question more so than the display.
Thank you for these videos! A quick question regarding using a Benq sw270c with Davinici and a BlackMagic Ultrastudio Monitor.
When using the Benq as a reference monitor through Davinci and Desktop Video Setup with an Ultrastudio Mini Monitor, I am unable to run the Palette Master software. For reasons I am still trying to understand, I am having difficulty running DisplayCal in coordination with Davinci on the Benq. This means that I am only able to run PME with a simple HDMI feed directly from the computer, not through the Ultrastudio. Wouldn't this mean that my custom calibration created in PME (using a simple HDMI which compensates for my computer's GPU) will be MORE accurate without the clean reference feed from Davinci using an Ultrastudio? Very confused by this! Thank you!
I am unable to comment on Display Cal. But for this scenario you would have to calibrate the display with PME to the setting and gamma that you want with PME without the Mini Monitor and then once the calibration is done, add that back in and use it with the hardware calibration that you just done
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for the response! Wouldn't adding back the Mini Monitor render the hardware calibration inaccurate, as the hardware calibration was calibrating the image sent from my computers GPU?
Not necessary for this scenario. In this case you are pairing the hardware of the display to the output of the computer based on your specific parameter (PME setting). Adding the mini link in afterwards will just neutralize the signal coming from the computer in a way but still respect the calibration parameter that you defined during hardware calibration. Factory preset mode does not allow for this.
so then, if I select MBook mode on the monitor, which ICC profile do I use on the Mac or the PC?
for PC there's won't be any corresponding one. So you can use it as is, a "reference" for Mac the internal display you have to choose the default color LCD and for the BenQ display you have to choose the OS generated icc with is usually BenQ SW271C or whichever BenQ display you have.
Hey, thanks for the info. i cant find adobe link t odownload ICC profile, and when i try online, i cannot download directly from the website, what is wrong?
That link on adobe website is broken, I would contact them and let them know.
I'm watching your video on UA-cam inside Firefox. Is Firefox colour aware regarding the video? If not what monitor colour setting should I use?
Most browsers are color aware, but they do render color slightly different between each of them. As far as video goes, Firefox is color aware but I am not sure which profile or color engine is it using. With regards to the color setting on your system the best thing to do is use the calibrate profile. So it to the icc profile that you either generate it through PME or i1Profiler.
But now I no longer understand the point of the color modes when I have to change the profile in the system settings of my MacMini after each push of a button.
Then what was the profile SW270C created for and by whom was it created Apple or BenQ?
Automatic one generated by the operation system, the OS requires this to control the video card output.
The sRGB IEC61966-2.1 is present but I do not see Adobe RGB 1998 is not in the list of my icc profiles in the Associate Color Profile.
Have been unable to download it from Adobe even when signed in to my Adobe account. I do have the current subscription to Photoshop/Lightroom/Bridge cc 2021. How do I download Adobe RGB 1998 to my Windows 10. Using the BenQ puck RGB setting, I did successfully execute a 1.3.8 version calibration with your very helpful video on it.
For some reasons Adobe no longer distribute that. Either way when you are using the preset mode it is still not the best idea to match the preset mode with the reference profile, remember your computer does not output reference color. So the best thing is choose the color mode and then run a software calibration to get a custom profile for each of the specific color mode that you want to use. Personally, I would not recommend do this or even what you have described, I would just calibrate with PME and call it the day. If you want to see what your image would look like in another color space I would just do soft proofing, faster because you don't have to change the preset color mode and then the icc profile and then quit and restart all of your color aware application so that it takes on the changed icc profile. Also this ua-cam.com/video/Gu1nqEf8vzg/v-deo.html
Hi Art! Small doubt. I know this is the not right place (video) to ask about my question sorry for that. What my question I bought a sw240 monitor few months back after few months out of usage it’s popping up some alert message (your monitor need to be calibrated) it’s shows every tym I turn my pc. I to fix that. Benq clams that all the photography monitors are factory calibrated, but why im a facing that issue??
@@ArtIsRight sorry! I don’t understand
see response in other post
I have a MacBook. The default under the display was the SW270C. I changed it to Adobe 1998. You recommend changing it? I haven't yet calibrated because I just picked it up a week ago. Thanks for the great helpful videos!
@Patricia Davidson, if you are running the display color mode in Adobe RGB then yes I would match the icc profile on the display output and set it to Adobe RGB. Keep in mid that this is giving you the approximate color and it won't be as precise as a custom calibration.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you!
@Patricia Davidson, anytime.
Hey Art - I keep getting calibration reminders for my SW271 even after I recalibrate it. How are the calibration reminders cleared?
@Marty Steinberg, you can turn it off on the display, Go to the display Menu, find the hamburger (3 horizontal bar menu) - System - CAL. Reminder - Change the value to off.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks, that's what I did. I wasn't sure if there was a way for the display to recognize when the LUT was updated or not. I know with the iDisplay software you can set a period to remind you to calibrate, perhaps this can be added to a wish list for Palette Master? Anyway, it's not a deal-breaker.Thanks for the quick answer.
@Marty Steinberg, yes it in i1Profiler is a software reminder. This reminder is build into the display. My guess right now is that, there's a bug in PME that prevents this warning to be set properly when you calibrate the display. I'll pass on the word to BenQ and see what they can do.
Whuuuut? The monitor comes with hamburgers as well? I'll take two without onions.
Hi, do we need to change icc profile every time we select a calibration trough controller , i notice that the color change if we do not change also the icc in the setting menu
Short answer is yes watch this ua-cam.com/video/Cgo2p7jF3n0/v-deo.html
@@ArtIsRight Thank you
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Hi, could I create a custom color mode like dci p3 mode on non calibrated monitor? For eg. Benq ex2780q which has 95% dci p3 but doesn't has any color mode using colorimeter? Thank you!
Yes you would just choose the color mode that you want to use, I.e. DCI-P3 and then calibrate in that color space.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you Art ! is there other benefit to buy a pre-calibrated professional monitor if I have a monitor calibrator ? Will a non-professional monitor perform the same quality like the professional one (If both monitors have the same color gamut coverage) ? thank you again!
The story is as follows, all displays are pre-calibrated from the factory. It is just how rigorous that calibration is. Pro display spends a lot of time in the calibration phase of manufacturing compared to non pro ones. The other thing too is that gamut coverage does not equate to accuracy within that gamut. And also the advantage of Pro displays is that usually they would get the top yield panel in them compared to more other ordinary displays.
5:10 Why is there 2 srgb or adobe rgb profiles. Are they the same. Which one should I choose for rec709 2.4 color on resolve.
That is just the computer preinstalled reference profile which should never be used for displays. You should custom calibrate the display for REC 709 or any color critical work. Falling short of that you should choose REC 709 color mode on your display and if you are not going to custom calibrate leave the icc profile at the default value.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks for replying. I have an M1 mac mini. Am planning to buy the SW270C to use as my main color grading monitor with resolve. Can you suggest a method for getting accurate colors for my use case scenario. Rec 709 2.4 is the color/gamma space I'll be delivering my projects to.
Get a Calibrite ColorChecker Display Pro and calibrate it with Palette Master Element I have numerous guides on that.
Thank you. You said you will add a link to where we can download Adobe ICC profiles. I think I am doing something wrong. Could you give us the link?
Sorry, I got my answer. For someone who may face my problem, I couldn't load the profile from a custom address on my PC. I had to copy the profile into:
C:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color
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Is dci p3 mode available in SW240. And is it a good monitor for colour grading using davinci.
It has DCI-P3, it would work for Da Vinci color grading.
@@ArtIsRight thank you. Have been following ur channel for a while. Very informative and reliable👍
Thank you!
Hi, thanks for your videos! I have calibrated my SW-271C and it looks great but when i switch to BW (or even sRGB) mode using the button on hotkey puck, it also makes it “brighter”. Does this mean i have to calibrate that BW mode too? Or will these modes always be “brighter”. I calibrated my monitor to be 80 luminence, which is button #1.
No, brightness sticks to the mode, so when you set your display back to calibration mode the brightness will come back to what you set it during calibration.
@@ArtIsRight sorry, i guess my question is: how can i get the BW mode to match my calibration “brightness”/luminence? And do i need to, if i use that mode to edit accurate photos?
You can, do this ua-cam.com/video/TE5zsrOAH6M/v-deo.html
@@ArtIsRight thank you…i have the spiderx pro and PME 3.15 but can’t find out how you got to the screen where it just shows the luminance levels in real time in order to do that hack in your above shared video. If i click “start measurement” it will just calibrate again….am i doing something wrong??
For Spyder you would have to choose the option where you customized screen brightness.
Hello Art, thank you for the series of videos that you have been posting. They have been very useful for my new sw207c monitor.
I am a little confused though - when I calibrate my monitor with PME, with settings such as (Rec 709, gamma 2.4, Lum 120, 16 bit lut, black point 0.3, patching large and v2 profile), the calibrated image is much more contrasts and much more saturated than what I see when I switch on the rec709 reference that’s built into the monitor. This makes me think if I am not able to see the full dynamic range that I would want to be seeing. Do you know which is more accurate for my usage?
I am using this monitor mainly as a video editor who wishes to color grade in softwares such as premiere pro and davinci resolve. And I usually output videos rather than photos.
Thank you!
The custom calibrated one because it is paired with your computer GPU output, the reference one is that "reference" it is factory calibrate but non of our computer GPU is outputting the signal like the factory reference, OS, driver, icc, software all influence this. So go with the custom calibrated value.
hey hey~ Thanks for always replying to our comments and question !!! you are really helping us a lot ><
After hearing your advice, I finally bought the i1 Display Pro Plus for my SW271 and did the hardware calibration. But I got a little situation, the color looks right inside software like Lightroom and DaVinci resolve after calibration with passed result, while most thing outside of software like UI and web's color looks faded and washed out. Is that a normal case or ?
Another thing is after calibrated, the brightness seems too dim... I used 120 luminance value already...
Thank you for helping again
The color look kinda right in video player too like VLC and QuickTime, but other's look really wash out, even the preview of exported photo file Zzzz
@Mario Hui, you're welcome. And if you are on a Mac check this ua-cam.com/video/CFyNBYP5lJk/v-deo.html if you are on PC check this ua-cam.com/video/9vs3hE1dLXQ/v-deo.html it may solve the issues with colors washed out. If it does not let me know and we'll figure this out further.
@@ArtIsRight I watched that video before !!!!! I'm on Mac, and my os is still at 10.15.3, so I think it's not about the HDR mode issue Zzzz
@Mario Hui, If you are running on 10.15.3 you shouldn’t have the hdr issue. Do me a favor take a picture of the screen with your phone and email it to me. My email is on the about page. Without seeing it I can’t really tell what is going on.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for your reply !!! Okay !!! I will email to you
Thanks for making these videos. I’m curious about the mbook display mode. What icc profile should you select on your mac to have the best representation of colors? For example you mentioned for adobergb 1998 color mode you placed the icc profile in to adobergb 1998.
You're welcome. If you are running on a Mac then simply choose the BenQ SW model number of the display in the icc profile, the system generated one.
@@ArtIsRight What if I use a Windows System? It would be awesome to get a fairly accurate representation of what my pictures would look like on the Mac Displays. Thank you for the video!
Hi, I have purchased the BenQ SW 240 monitor but before I did I checked to see if it was compatible with pallet master software, it says it is but when I downloaded it the BenQ SW 240 is not compatible, not very good!
It is compatible with the latest Palette Master Ultimate software and Element as well but I would use Ultimate
@@ArtIsRight Hi all sorted up and running like a dream now, and even updated to a new monitor the SW 272 Q and very pleased with it,
Plenase can you help me, just bought the sw 270c ( don't have the tool to calibrate colors) and the pure black colors are looking dull and kind of gray, In every space color ( except the mbook). I use a pc computer. When I open the menu of the monitor that menu look perfectly black, so I know the screen can go darker , but don't know how to fix it
This is where you can use one of the color modes.
@@ArtIsRight thanks for the reply! Do you think if I buy a tool to calibrate the monitor it will look the blacks pure black?
That won’t help much it is not the display it is the coating.
Hi, please help!...I am using FCPX and bought SW270c for color grading purpose. I connected the SW270c to my Mac Book Pro 2019 via USB-C. I need to use SW270c as a reference monitor but in the FCPX preference the FCPX is not recognising the monitor as A/V Output monitor and it is disabbled. I searched online and some suggest to use third party i/o devices such as AJA 4K which is expensive and I can't offered it. Some people also using older MacBook pro which has HDMI input. My Macbook Pro does not have HDMI, I am confuse what to do? I have an USB-C adapter which has HDMI port and connected with my laptop the SW270c does connect but not as reference monitor but as ordinary secondary dual monitor. I invested in an expensive SW270c Monitor to use it as a reference monitor not as a dual secondary monitor. Please advice how to solve this...thank you in advance!
are you trying to do this for HDR?
@@ArtIsRight No I am not, thanks
There may have been a misunderstanding, the SW displays are hardware calibration capable yes, but they are never advertised a full film making reference displays. Can they be used in that scenario yes. But you will need to either get a Blackmagic deckling or something along that line that go between the display and computer for it to be treated that way. Decklink are not too expensive. Everyone has their own workflow, but if you do a hardware calibration on these displays, there's really nothing wrong with using it a secondary play back displays.
@@ArtIsRight Hi Art, much appreciated your reply. Actually I found on UA-cam tons of videos where they recommended SW270c for color critical work. Even you also said in one of your reviews Having said that, could you please advice where I can download the Pa;te Master Element software? I checked the Benq official website but the software download tab is not working and there is no site from I would download it. Please advice...THANKS!
I am just wondering why PD monitors do have ICC profile sync via Display pilot software and SW monitors do not.
Different software integration. SW now has that feature with Palette Master Ultimate but with the caveat that it will work with custom calibration icc only
Great!! Thank you for your response@@ArtIsRight
Can I use Adobe for ew2480 series
You can if the mode is build into the display but you are not getting 99% Adobe RGB.
Why is my Macbook Pro not connecting to this software? Im getting an error message FTDI Drivers are not working? Can you help me out? Thanks! Im using the BenQ PD3220U
PD displays does not work with PME. You would have to use the software that comes with your calibrator. i.e. ua-cam.com/video/h_TT9O2I1b4/v-deo.html or ua-cam.com/video/Qjmjw7wvtc4/v-deo.html
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for that information and all the videos.
@@ArtIsRight Another question what about using the Display Pilot? Will that work on my monitor?
Yes Display Pilot is design specifically for BenQ PD. You can watch my PD3220U review here ua-cam.com/video/QbRLY16X8M4/v-deo.html which goes over display pilot fairly in depth.
Hi, first of all thank you. I have a problem. I purchased SW270c and connected with my Macbook Pro 16" 2019 via provided USC-C but in the SW270c monitor color adjustment menu Color Mode is disabble and I can't select any Color Mode such as RGB, sRGB, P3 etc...it only allows me to change Contrast, Brightness and Sharpness. I can't select any of those Gamat, Color Temp etc. WHY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Please help!
Give this a try ua-cam.com/video/eG3HrnUvHYA/v-deo.html if this does not work I would recommend contacting your local BenQ support for help.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for your reply. Its been solved and the problem was in my Macbook Pro, th HDR mode was checked. It was automatically selecting the HDR mode for the SW270c. When I unchecked the HDR mode in my Mac, the problem was solve and now I can select all color modes from the monitor menu.
Nice!
I appreciate much your knowledge and kindness, buddy. I need a little help with this. I’m about to get a sw271 monitor which I’m planning on plugging to a windows laptop and a MacBook Pro 16” 2019. I’m going to color grade raw footage and photography, but I’ve checked there is a device called blackmagic ultrastudio monitor3G, and as far as I have read is something I would need to achieve great color reference. Question is, is that so? Do I need this device? I also have a couple LG monitors. A 32UN650 and an 32UD59, I could use to my purpose. Is there any advantage having this bm 3g monitor? I have a spider 5 elite color calibrator. Man, I appreciate your insights. Thank you for your kindness.
Yes and no for color reference but you can use the in between device. It is something that works but is not entirely necessary, especially if you are not doing high end Hollywood budget work. Also the calibration will not work with the bm 3g. You can use the bm 3g but remember as well that sure the signal coming from the box is reference but your displays are not necessary 100% reference so there's always a give and take.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for your prompt response, Art. You are the first UA-camr who amazes me with such commitment to us. Alright… I want to have a color accurate full screen, and the bm ultrastudio monitor 3G can give me that. If you had the sw271 and LG 32un650 spyder 5 elite calibrator and a MacBook Pro 2020 (with 4 usb typeC-thunderbolt3? Ports to color grade in davinci and photoshop, how would you connect and set them?
SW271 and LG would each take a USB C port. If you want to run the LG through the decklink you can. For the SW271 just run it from the machine and calibrate it with PME. You should be good to go.
@@ArtIsRight I appreciate it Art. I’ll let you know how it went when I get the BM 3G ultrastudio monitor.
Keep me posted.
I have a benq gw 2480 monitor I am getting a problem in where the red colour is showing up as the purple colour and in the videos the colours are full of purple pink I don't know what is the problem if you can say is there any problem in the display or any problem in colours can you please tell how to solve this problem I am not able to edit
Reset the display and try linking the display to another computer and see if the result is the same. If it is, there could be some defect with the panel. If it does not then it could be the cable or signal coming out from your computer that is the issue.
@@ArtIsRight I reset the settings by seeing your other video and now the colours are showing good
Awesome!
Which color space should I use for Color Grading?
If you have a SW display, REC 709 G 2.4
@@ArtIsRight Thank You . I have sw240 . should i use sRGB color mode or Adobe RGB?
Hello Art, can you please provide me with the Adobe link to download Adobe RGB 1998? I have a Benq 270c but I don't have RGB 1998 in the system, thanks ..
Mac should have that on the system. PC you probably need to download. www.adobe.com/support/downloads/iccprofiles/iccprofiles_win.html but it is best the custom calibrate the display.
It would seem the link from Adobe does not work, I would do a google search.
@@ArtIsRight OK thanks,I have a PC ,I also have Datacolor Spyder X and Palette master elements, I will pay attention to your videos and calibrate through both.Thanks again Art..
If you have those combo then just custom calibrate, you don't need and should not be using the standard Adobe RGB for proofing.
Art, Good Day. Once you run and have a successful calibration(following your advice my calibration settings: RGB Primary Panel Native, D 65 White Point, 100 luminance, 2.2 gamma, Relative Black Point, and Profile Type Matrix, passing validation with excellent Delta E average 0.73, Maximum 1.39 and 6515K Achieved Temp.), do you do all editing with Benq SW270C(Lightroom Classic) in the calibration 1 slot or since the Benq is now calibrated do the preset Adobe, SRGB modes now incorporate the hardware settings so that you can edit in the specific color mode you need for your work flow. As a beginner what might be simple to understand is hard for us to get our heads around. Thanks.....
The best thing to do is calibrate and leave your display in Panel Native, not need to calibrate or proof color in other spaces. CMM will take care of everything. This video will explain why ua-cam.com/video/Yvu-sgddna0/v-deo.html
@@ArtIsRight Art thank you for your reply. I did study video you left link for but still cant get my head around it. My calibration lies in the Calibration 1(Panel Native). When you say CMM will take care of everything do you mean once I should chose Adobe CMM when editing with preference for Adobe it will take of everything , DCI P3 when preference for DCI Pe , SRGB, etc. or do i edit leaving BenQ in Calibration 1 mode. Can't quite visualize it. Thanks..
So CMM runs in real time, you don’t have to do anything. All Adobe Programs use Adobe Color Engine (ACE for short) this is Adobe’s version of CMM and with this you don’t have to set anything. So essentially what this means is that even if your display is calibrated to Panel Native (PN), if you load in an image that is tagged with sRGB into PS for instance, what you will see on your display color wise would be sRGB, no display Panel Native. This happens because ACE is loading in the sRGB color gamut tagged from the image, it is using the display PN profile to render the preview and while it is doing that it is doing a gamut translation from Panel Native to sRGB and it is displaying sRGB this way you see the correct color at any point of your edit. What I am saying here is that if your image is tagged with sRGB it will looks the same when you view it in Panel Native Calibration or sRGB Calibration. And to further answer your question, the build in preset color modes will not at any point incorporate your current calibration. This is the reason why you choose an RGB primary in PME when calibrating and the slot for the Calibration to go into. This is the way how you incorporate color gamut chosen with your current calibration setting. Hope this helps, feel free to follow up. And with this in mind, it is the reason why sticking with 1 color space that is the largest works in every one benefit. :)
@@ArtIsRight does this apply if edit in video for web consumption in Final Cut Pro and Davinci Resolve? Can I edit my videos in the color panel native calibration or do I have to switch to the Rec709 calibration that I made in slot 2?
@@TubeSilva I really would like to have an answer on this question Art!
benQ dv 2050 red colour in the screen please help me
Reset it to factory default and see if that still happens. Try connecting another computer to the display or another display connection cable and see if the issue still occurs. If so contact your local BenQ Support.
Thanks for all the videos Art. I've watched several, and they have been very helpful. However, I have a fundamental question that I've not seen answered anywhere; can you help? I have calibrated my BenQ SW270C on a MacBook pro using PME and a SpyderX Pro (Panel Native, D65, L120, large etc). This successfully made a color profile that was automatically installed and selected on the BenQ. HOWEVER, it is also installed on the mac, made selectable as a display profile in Display Profile, and auto-selected. That is, the new profile is selected on BOTH the monitor and the mac, and looks TERRIBLE; very washed out and undersaturated. It seems to me that what I SHOULD be doing is to select the newly created calibration profile on the monitor, but just the standard BenQ SW270C profile on the mac. This is also in accord with what BenQ technical support told me: "Please use the calibration profile saved on the monitor only as its a hardware calibrated profile. It would give better colour viewing experience.". Is this what you advise? It certainly produces a much better saturated result.
That is not the correct advice. About what you are seeing have you turned off HDR in display preferences for the SW270C already? It is not supposed to look wash out. The generic profile that the OS created is not the correct one to be using on a hardware calibrated display.
@@ArtIsRight HDR is turned off. I have done this calibration several times, with slightly different calibration setting, and alway the same unsaturated result.
Unsaturated relative to what display? If you are talking about the MacBook Pro then that is a not a good comparison to make. Glossy / reflective display will have higher contrast and more saturation that is the nature of it. Matted display like all of the SW and most of the other matted display out there will have duller color when compared to those glass cover glossy display. Color that are edited to look good with nice saturation on the SW will look even better on the glossy display. The default profile that macOS generate gives you more saturation because the gamut in the profile vs the gamut used in the display is mismatch. I would trust the profile that PME generated and use that with the calibration slot.
@@ArtIsRight Compared to the factory calibration. OK, thank you.
Ah that, factor setting are based on reference color output from the video card and none of our computer is outputting reference. This will help explains this too ua-cam.com/video/Cgo2p7jF3n0/v-deo.html
3.15 still logs out of everything when finishing the calibration.... bug still not fixed.
You mean 1.3.15, are you on Mac? Are you using Matrix profile type?
I have an SW 271, and for the life of me I can't get the Mbook color mode to work (I got the monitor in May 2021). If I follow the video at 11:05 I get 3 different levels of B&W. The levels of Color Mode I have are Adobe 1998, sRGB, B&W, Rec. 709, etc. B+W is the only one that has three options in the next window to the right. As far as I can tell it looks like you are choosing B&W while sRGB above it is still highlighted. But I can't do that...
You are going through the display full menu. I was showing the short cut menu and that is to press any button on the display, and then choose the color mode menu which is the second button from the left. That will pull up the color mode menu and you can choose B&W and other modes.
@@ArtIsRight But how can I get to the Mbook mode? When I press that color mode menu, the second button on the left, there's no option to open another panel to the right, like I see you doing. I can't read the options in your video, I'm guessing what they are by how long the blobs are. The only way I see to open any panels at all to the right is in the full display window, and that is only for B+W.
M-book mode should be on the second page so keep scrolling down. It will not open on the right like the black and white mode. Just keep going down there are 3 pages of color modes.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you so very much!!!
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prosze zestaw to z Nec z serii PA lub podobny Eizo posmiejemy się razem
I don't have either one of those in the studio. NEC exit the market so no point. Eizo is just too pricy for the value for most creatives. They are the best no doubt about that.
Are the different color modes emulated? Or are they native?
Native with color gamut that matches it. But if you are looking for accurate native that definition is relative.
@@ArtIsRight Not sure I understand. If the Benq monitor has optional preset color spaces, and you set it to sRGB mode, would that be a native sRGB, or emulated sRGB?
Many wide gamut displays offer optional preset color space modes, but with these displays they are usually emulated. I thought if a wide gamut display can be hardware calibrated like the Benq, that would make each color mode native to the monitor, but I'm not certain.
It is native, if you run a calibration in said color mode the profile coordinates and shape would matches that of the color mode that you set it to. i.e. sRGB would come out as sRGB, and it is native.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks!
Sure
Now that I got the BenQ monitor calibrated to Adobe1998, as well as my 4-yr old NEC EA275UHD monitor, there is a clear difference in the whites (they are sided by side, and set to Extended Displays in Windows 10). I then calibrated the older NEC monitor using their SpectraView II and Spyder 5, and got a resulting ICC profile. Again, the BenQ is considerably bluer than the NEC.
So I tried your directions, and set the BenQ to use the NEC's ICC profile as its default...and nothing happened with the BenQ. At all. I have checked and checked, and BenQ's default is the same as the NEC's, but they are glaringly different. How is this even possible with the same (nVidia) video card?
Different LED panel, different black light technology, different manufacture. Yes this is highly possible. The NEC that you have is software calibration only even when you run SpectraView II it is doing software calibration only. The panel can only show 78.1% Adobe RGB. Now what you didn't tell me is which BenQ Display model you got. If it is the SW or PD I would trust that more than the NEC that you have. This is a situation where this new display does not match up with what you are used to (which could be based on a non suitable reference), it does not mean that the new display is showing the colors incorrectly, it just means that you to adjust to the new more accurate way.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you so much for your answer. The BenQ is an SW271. It never occurred to me that the BenQ is less accurate: I would assume that since the NEC is four years older that the BenQ is more accurate. The colors don't look that far off from each other, but the white does. Is there a tutorial for adjusting the white point for PC and adjusting other colors by eye that you know of? I'm an artist and quite familiar with Photoshop and RAW, so my eye is fairly well-trained.
Any assistance you can give is very much appreciated.
On the NEC, what white point did you use for calibration? I would try calibrating D65 or even 7000K to match that of the BenQ. The variation in LCD panel and back light is the cause of the issue. Alternatively, you can calibrate your BenQ at a temp lower than D65 like 6000K. but I would rather do the adjustment on the NEC than on the BenQ. Give this a try and let me know how it goes.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you again.
I went to the manual controls for the NEC's white point and got a very close match. The white point for the Black Body ended up being 2500K (!); the Red was 205, Green 224, and Blue 255.
When I tried to save this I got the warning from NEC's SpectraView: "The white point coordinates entered are outside the normal range of values and may cause the calibration to fail. Are you sure you want to use these values?" I clicked Yes, and sure enough, the calibration failed. I can send you a screenshot, but I don't know how to do that with UA-cam.
Also, I tried BenQ's Palette Master again, and got the error message: "A connection to a BenQ display cannot be established. Please make sure the the USB cable is connected and that the FTDI drivers are working," and it looks like I should have received some sort of controller with the monitor. Perhaps I'm losing my mind. Should there have been some sort of device that came with the BenQ SW271 monitor that did not, and is that the source of all these problems?
Hi Art it is a great video. I am wondering if I just use the color mode Adobe RGB without changening my windows setting any changes that I will do in capture one editing software will be NOT refleted in the file that I export ? I am right ? so I have to change windows display setting in order to get the Adobe RGB changes in my capture one editor to get them in the file for export to print. Thanks in advance for any clarification. By the way I have just bough the SW240ua-cam.com/video/6O0KQOAKR2E/v-deo.html
"I am wondering if I just use the color mode Adobe RGB without changening my windows setting any changes that I will do in capture one editing software will be NOT refleted in the file that I export ?"
- 2 different concepts all together. Changes that you made will reflect in the export. As far as how accurate the changes in luminance and colors goes without profiling, can be ok or questionable.
So I have to change windows display setting in order to get the Adobe RGB changes in my capture one editor to get them in the file for export to print.
Not necessary. You can change the Windows profile setting but then the question is to what? If you don't profile this does not make a lot of sense to change this and I would not touch it.
If you have the SW240 I would calibration the Palette Master Element, you can find the walk through on my channel from there the program would setup the windows settings fro you automatically.
Art thanks a lot for your support. I am certainly do the calibración by ending september as first I have to purchase the calibrador. All the best.